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Speaker 2: Butter up the Orville reden Bocker because at the end

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Speaker 3: Very exciting. Don can't tell you.

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Speaker 2: Actually, there's tons to talk about. The matters greatly here

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Speaker 2: locally because we've got the Senate seat obviously with Steve

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Speaker 2: we'll get into all of that throughout the course of

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Speaker 2: the afternoon, plus other stuff. But this morning, the United

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Speaker 2: States Supreme Court made a fairly significant decision to say

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Speaker 2: the least, ruling that Donald Trump will in fact be

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Speaker 2: this decision and the former president's reaction. ABC News National

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Speaker 2: correspondent Steve port Andy, Steve, how.

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Speaker 3: Are you, hey, Doug.

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Speaker 4: Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: So this doesn't come as a great surprise to me, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Why, because I listened to the oral argument last month,

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Speaker 4: And it was liberals like Alena Kagan and Katanji Brown

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Speaker 4: to nothing in this unsigned opinion that states should not

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Speaker 4: that candidates for federal office or federal office holders aren't qualified.

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Speaker 4: It's not a surprise. Inside the concurring opinions, you do

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Speaker 4: read into a difference between the judges here, and it

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Speaker 4: Barrett wrote separately to explain how they differed from what

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Speaker 4: five conservatives on the Court who went further than these

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Speaker 4: of the Fourteenth Amendment, setting up a framework. It's interesting

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Speaker 4: I've dug into the history of all this. Back in

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Speaker 4: there was a process anyway. That process was repealed by

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Speaker 2: We talk about Stephen Portnoy, ABC News National correspondent. I'm

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Speaker 2: not been adjudicated as guilty of insurrection. So Colorado on

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Speaker 3: But the idea that.

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Speaker 2: And I think it would be setting up chaos as

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Speaker 4: YEA, the word chaos, chaotic, patchwork. Those are words that

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Speaker 4: Essentially they say it should not be up to state

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Speaker 4: And the allegation that former President Trump was engaged in

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Speaker 4: it's interesting that Jack Smith chose, for whatever reason he

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Speaker 4: with insurrection. There's actually a separate part of the US

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Speaker 4: it's the inability to serve in government again. It disqualifies you.

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Speaker 4: And that statute was referenced by the Supreme Court in

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Speaker 4: its opinion today. Donald Trump is not charged under that statute.

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Speaker 4: He's charged with other things. But you're right that the

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Speaker 2: And you know, the irony here is is that, strictly speaking,

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Speaker 2: January sixth, the states determine who the president each state

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting, you know, the decision was made by

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Speaker 4: That at the end of the day, there could be,

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Speaker 4: Jamie Raskin, the Democrat from Maryland who was a key

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Speaker 3: The last one did well.

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Speaker 2: Then former President declared this a big win for America,

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Speaker 4: Well, if you I'll just say one more thing. If

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Speaker 4: to wonder if Jamie Raskin really thinks that the House

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Speaker 2: We're shooting without a script, so we've seen an awful

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Speaker 2: Stephen Portnoy, ABC News National correspondent, thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it all.

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Speaker 2: Right, folks, We've got a lot of stuff to talk about,

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Speaker 2: including HLA prop one, the DA race, the Senate race.

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Speaker 3: At the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 2: You got to the United States Senate seat up for grabs,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not a secret that Adam Schiff's strategy

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Speaker 2: So he knows that the Democrats No Party Preference is

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Speaker 3: You may prefer Katie Porter or Barbara Lee, or.

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Speaker 3: It's it's like their ciphers.

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Speaker 2: They're just told which way by the leadership of their party,

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Speaker 3: But at least during the campaign.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't an exchange of ideas, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if mister Garvey is really capable of getting in the

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Speaker 3: But you know, who knows.

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Speaker 2: If it turns out to be let's say, Adam Schiff

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get different shades of red in those states,

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens on that. Now the DA's race,

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Speaker 2: there's like three hundred people running for this, right, my

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Speaker 2: By the way, the others are just expensive, you know,

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Speaker 5: What's the deal with that?

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Speaker 3: No buy that on Friday night?

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Speaker 2: putting sand traps on venturea boulevard. We'll just make it

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 5: six forty.

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Speaker 2: Doug mcatarre in for John Cobbolt. We're here till four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: And you know I write this column every week for

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Speaker 2: Capasady and to start all the Southern California News Group papers.

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Speaker 3: But for those of you too.

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Speaker 2: Cheap, excuse me, thrifty who don't penetrate the paywall. I

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Speaker 2: They could argue that World War two started nineteen thirty

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Speaker 2: and she had bruises on her throat. But the crowd

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Speaker 2: was chanting ju ju Jew and dirty Jew at the

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Speaker 2: people attending the speech who had gone there to attend

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Speaker 2: to speech. Now, what's significant here is that it's very

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Speaker 2: hard to find anybody reporting on that. Oddly, a Berkeley

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Speaker 2: area national public radio and public television station reports it,

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Speaker 2: but the campus newspapers don't, The Los Angeles Times didn't.

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Speaker 2: And we need to pay attention to that stuff, because

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Speaker 2: when you have crowds of people. Look, it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to have a position on the war in Gaza, it's

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Speaker 2: another thing to be shouting down your fellow students and

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Speaker 2: shouting dirty jew at them while you try to strangle

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Speaker 2: them and busting down doors and windows. That is a

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Speaker 2: form of extremism that, left unchecked, will only produce more

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Speaker 2: and more extremism. Now, the other incident, the other canary

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Speaker 2: in the coal mine, the Annual Seapack Convention. The Annual

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Speaker 2: Seapack Convention was in Maryland, and on the opening day

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Speaker 2: of the Seapack Ivision is a conservative political action conference

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Speaker 2: and it's usually, you know, the show ponies come out,

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Speaker 2: all the candidates want to come out. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: fallen onto hard times in the last year or so

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Speaker 2: because the guy who runs the organization's got sex scandals

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Speaker 2: going on around them, and there's a lot of Q

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Speaker 2: and on people involved in a lot of the candidates

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Speaker 2: didn't want to associate it.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump spoke at.

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Speaker 2: It, but on opening night, the keynote speaker, the guy

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Speaker 2: who kicked it off is this Q and honor named

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Speaker 2: Jack Posobic, and he was one of the guys behind

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Speaker 2: the Pizza Gate conspiracy. He started by saying, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the end of democracy. We're here to overthrow it completely.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get there all the way on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: but we will endeavor to get rid of it and

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Speaker 2: replace it with this right here, and he raised his

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Speaker 2: clenched fist. Two weeks Steve Bannon, one of the president

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Speaker 2: former president's top political advisors, said amen, and the crowd cheered.

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Speaker 2: Now let's stop for a second. Okay, We've got an

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Speaker 2: organization that has been a major influence on American politics

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Speaker 2: for twenty years that the presumptive nominee for the Republican

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Speaker 2: Party spoke at two days after, this guy appeared okay

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Speaker 2: to the same cheering crowd.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, known neo.

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Speaker 2: Nazis who were actually at the Charlottesville rally were in

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Speaker 2: the crowd. They've been identified by NBC News and others.

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Speaker 2: They're calling for the end of democracy and cheering it

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Speaker 2: and cheering it. Meanwhile, at Berkeley they're chased the Jews,

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Speaker 2: and the Democrats don't know what to do with their extremists,

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Speaker 2: and frankly, the Republican Party right now seems to be

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Speaker 2: beholden to these people. And this is where I'm gravely concerned,

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Speaker 2: because you know, just like in Germany, the center couldn't hold,

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Speaker 2: and if the center can't stand up to extremism, then

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Speaker 2: the extremists will ultimately win. And frankly, neither one of

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Speaker 2: these are are very attractive alternatives to each other. You've

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Speaker 2: got a communist, anti Semitic mob chasing students through college

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Speaker 2: campuses and shutting down speakers, and then you've got conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theorists calling for the end of democracy and they're representing

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Speaker 2: the Conservative Party. I mean, this is serious stuff. Now,

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Speaker 2: you know the dirty secret of our two party system.

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Speaker 2: And I'll stop on this point, but it's something to consider.

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Speaker 2: You know, in Europe, in Italy there's like one hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty registered political parties. I think in India there's

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Speaker 2: like six hundred political parties, so nobody ever gets a majority.

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Speaker 2: What you do is you build these coalition governments where

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Speaker 2: you got communists and industrialists and the same. You remember

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Speaker 2: that granddaughter of Mussolini was in the Italian parliament. She

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Speaker 2: was a porn star and the granddaughter of Mussolini she's

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Speaker 2: in the parliament. You create these crazy coalitions just so

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Speaker 2: you can have enough people to vote your way, right,

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Speaker 2: and they really have nothing to do with each other. Well,

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Speaker 2: in the two party system, both the Democrats and Republicans

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Speaker 2: have always played foot seat with the lunatic fringe in

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Speaker 2: their groups. They always have because they need them. They

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Speaker 2: don't have enough voters that they can win the election

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Speaker 2: without them. The problem is they're really off the leash now,

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Speaker 2: and the Democrats don't know what to do with the

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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian people that are in some cases openly supporting Hamas,

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Speaker 2: openly supporting not all of them, but some of them.

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Speaker 2: They don't know what to do with them because they

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Speaker 2: don't want to just tell them to take a powder.

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Speaker 2: But meanwhile, just yesterday, Donald Trump at a rally said

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Speaker 2: I don't want the Mitt Romney Republicans in the party anymore.

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Speaker 2: So he's literally telling moderates get out of the party.

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Speaker 3: Well, then what is the party?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about you, but my car's

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Speaker 2: got a gas pedal and a break, and you know,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have a gas pedal, car is going

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Speaker 2: to sit there, and if you don't have a break,

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Speaker 2: it's going to fly into the ocean the first time.

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Speaker 3: You come to a sharp turn in the road.

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Speaker 2: So you need to use these two left and right

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Speaker 2: play off of each other to hold it in the road.

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Speaker 2: Because you do not want to live in a country

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Speaker 2: where there's no healthy middle, both economically and politically.

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Speaker 3: You end up with a real ugly scene.

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Speaker 2: The pages of history are soaked in blood from countries

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Speaker 2: that went to extremism left or right.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A

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Speaker 5: six forty.

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Speaker 2: Doug McIntyre with you in for John Cobalts until four

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Speaker 2: when Tim Conway Junior comes along. In the three o'clock hour,

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Speaker 2: former LA Kenny Dish attorney Steve Cooley will be here

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Speaker 2: to talk about tomorrow's critically important DA race, amongst all

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Speaker 2: the other stuff we'll get into the ballot measures prop

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Speaker 2: one HLA. Of course, the big story today the US

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court ruling Donald Trump will stay on the ballot,

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Speaker 2: not just in Colorado but that means pretty much everywhere

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Speaker 2: that the states can't kick him off, which seems to

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Speaker 2: me to be the right decision based on the law.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get into that as well.

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Speaker 3: This story is.

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Speaker 2: Really disturbing because I don't know what the answer to

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Speaker 2: this is. You've probably heard about this Beverly Vista Middle

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Speaker 2: School in Beverly Hills when some students apparently were sharing

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Speaker 2: nude photos and nude in quotes of a classmate, but

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Speaker 2: it was AI generated. In other words, they took the

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Speaker 2: kid's face and put it on someone else's body and

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Speaker 2: shared it with classmates. Cops are involved, and to me,

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Speaker 2: the law is a little fuzzy apparently on this it's

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Speaker 2: not clear if any state law would apply, but clearly

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Speaker 2: there's a victim here where this threat of crimes committed

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Speaker 2: via AI going forward, and it's been this way for

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Speaker 2: a while now. Really strikes when it gets to pedophilia

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Speaker 2: because child pornographers have created AI or basically artistic renderings.

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Speaker 2: And I'm using artistic in the descriptive, not as a

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Speaker 2: positive modifier, but people can create essentially digital images that

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Speaker 2: aren't of any specific child. There are malgams of many,

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Speaker 2: many many children, just an artistic interpretation, but have them

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Speaker 2: doing all kinds of perverse things so that there's no

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Speaker 2: actual child who is being there's no identifiable child who's

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Speaker 2: being harmed, whereas the story out of Beverly Hills, there's

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Speaker 2: clearly victims here. And apparently this took off when somebody

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Speaker 2: did this with a Taylor Swift picture. They posted Taylor

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Speaker 2: Swift's face, they merged onto nude or some kind of

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Speaker 2: pornographic image of some other woman, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: then all the kids discovered, oh, look what we can do.

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Speaker 2: Look what we can do on our phones. We can

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Speaker 2: use AI to make nude pictures of Shirley over there

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Speaker 2: in the homeroom. And of course the consequences they're devastating,

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Speaker 2: the shaming and blah blah blah blah blah. And it's

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Speaker 2: going to get harder and harder and harder to tell

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Speaker 2: what's fake, not just here, but across the board, across everything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when I used to watch television,

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Speaker 2: I don't really watch television anymore like everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I just watch reels all night.

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Speaker 2: I just sit there and click and watch, not TikTok,

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Speaker 2: but certainly Instagram reels and Facebook reels and I watch cats,

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Speaker 2: and I watch a boats sink, and I watch I

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Speaker 2: love watching remote control of the airplanes crash. I love

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Speaker 2: watching people's hobbies crash and burn. They've had thousands of

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Speaker 2: dollars on these things. They're fifty two years old, flying

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Speaker 2: around a remote controlled airplane at Woodley Park.

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Speaker 3: Boom, it goes your hobby.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I watched this stuff, but now you know,

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Speaker 2: you start to get these other videos they're sent to you,

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Speaker 2: and I'm starting to pick up on these incredible explosions

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Speaker 2: and cars flying the stuff. Said, wait a second, if

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Speaker 2: that had actually happened, that would be on the news, right.

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Speaker 2: But it turns out, of course it's not, because it's

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Speaker 2: somebody made it up. But it's getting harder and harder

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Speaker 2: and harder to tell the difference. And this is certainly

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Speaker 2: true with these videos that are going around and just

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Speaker 2: ruined kids' lives. It's a real serious problem. And then

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Speaker 2: you know, here's a story. This is a companion story.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get this in. This in the New

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Speaker 2: York Times a couple days back. Story of this woman

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Speaker 2: named Elisa who has a daughter and she wants to

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Speaker 2: make her daughter wants to be a model. She's eleven,

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Speaker 2: by the way, she's eleven years old, and the mother

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Speaker 2: curates the Instagram account to make sure everything's on the

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Speaker 2: up and up.

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Speaker 3: But look at what she's doing.

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Speaker 2: Some parents are the driving force behind the sale of photos,

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Speaker 2: exclusive chat sessions, and even the girls warn leotards and

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Speaker 2: cheerleader outfits to their followers. What how How is Child

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Speaker 2: Protective Services not coming in with a battering ram like

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Speaker 2: they're going into Elian Gonzalez's house to grab this woman

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Speaker 2: and throw her in jail. She's selling warn leotards to

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Speaker 2: people who are following her eleven year old daughter online.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with people?

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Speaker 2: Hell you find out? We got two more hours to

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Speaker 2: tell you. Uh A McEntire in for John go by

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Speaker 2: the way, I have this book. It's called Frank's Shadow,

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Speaker 2: and those of you had the over under that I'd

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Speaker 2: get it in in the second hour, now first hour.

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Speaker 2: You can get it in good bookstores and some crummy

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Speaker 2: Amazon dot com or my own website, Doug Mcatarre dot com.

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Speaker 2: All right, Debra Mar's got the latest headlines. We got

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Speaker 2: two more hours. We're here till Conway. This is KFI.

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