Speaker 1: Hey, the folks. It is Monday, August twenty fourth, and
Speaker 1: week two of the Tupac murder trial begins today. Sounds
Speaker 1: like maybe Diddy should also be on trial with that.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Yes, Dwayne
Speaker 1: Davis is the defendant in this Tupac murder trial. But Robes,
Speaker 1: Diddy's name is being thrown excuse me, puff Daddy's name
Speaker 1: is being thrown around quite a bit and renewed interest
Speaker 1: once again. And what has long been a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Theory, Yeah, but it sounds like it's more than just
Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory now from what we heard in court,
Speaker 2: it sounds like there is a direct link and justifiably
Speaker 2: we are talking about Puffy Puff Daddy whatever his name is,
Speaker 2: Diddy for legit reasons.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, he has always denied any involvement in Tupac's death.
Speaker 1: He has always said he had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: hiring anybody for Tupac's death. However, Robes, given how heated
Speaker 1: things were with the East Coast West Coast rap rivalry
Speaker 1: that did get violent and deadly, It's always been a
Speaker 1: part of the narrative Robes, especially since nobody was charged
Speaker 1: that possibly Sean, Did he Combs had offered to pay
Speaker 1: to have Sugar Night and Tupac killed? There are people
Speaker 1: robes in this country who will never believe anything else
Speaker 1: other than did he having a hand?
Speaker 2: Did he did it?
Speaker 1: Did he? I can't remember where the names. I need
Speaker 1: to go back to go all the name changes. But yes,
Speaker 1: Puff Daddy's name was heard on Friday on a recording
Speaker 1: in which Dwayne Davis was doing these interviews Robes, and
Speaker 1: he seems to be telling a fairly consistent story. Is
Speaker 1: he not?
Speaker 2: Yes? And to me, if we're supposed to be taking
Speaker 2: his own word for it in these recorded interviews that
Speaker 2: are now playing obviously this central role in the case
Speaker 2: against Dwayne Davis. If he is describing who actually killed
Speaker 2: Tupac and then also describing being offered a million dollars
Speaker 2: by Puff Daddy to take Sugar Night and Tupac out,
Speaker 2: don't you need to believe all of what he's saying.
Speaker 2: It'd be hard to just believe some of what he's saying.
Speaker 2: And if prosecutors are putting this forth as evidence, it
Speaker 2: all should be considered in the same way. Actually, So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why we're talking about Puff Daddy again.
Speaker 1: There, folks, I'm actually asking that question. Could Sean Combs
Speaker 1: end up charged with murder for Tupac Shakur? That is
Speaker 1: a stretch. I think most lego experts are saying right now,
Speaker 1: given what has to be proved over the years and
Speaker 1: the transaction, did he actually pay? And even what's his
Speaker 1: name here, Dwayne Davis is saying he never actually received
Speaker 1: payment as well?
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, And that's a question. I don't know the
Speaker 2: answer to it because obviously we've seen and covered plenty
Speaker 2: of murder for higher trials. If the money doesn't actually
Speaker 2: exchanged hands, it's you, right, because look, I think about
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of cases we've covered over
Speaker 2: the years, and that's an integral part to a prosecutor's
Speaker 2: case against a defendant that they actually did pay and
Speaker 2: that money was received for said deed.
Speaker 1: Have to exchange hands, and there was no accusation of that.
Speaker 1: But this is still fascinating. So Dwayne Davis, Yes, we're
Speaker 1: going on to week two testimony in his trial, not
Speaker 1: of course, accused of being the trigger man, but accused
Speaker 1: of orchestrating the plan and also providing the gun for
Speaker 1: that night. So Robe this was interesting and I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting that the judge allowed it. He got
Speaker 1: a little combat and was directly going after the prosecutor
Speaker 1: at one point the jury wasn't in there. But he's
Speaker 1: upset that his his address has gotten out, he said,
Speaker 1: and has caused problems at his home. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's understandable problems he's saying. There are security
Speaker 2: issues that he has faced, vandalism and death threats, and
Speaker 2: his families now at risk. So yes, he took issue
Speaker 2: with that. He said that they've deliberately leaked his address
Speaker 2: and his personal information, his family's personal information. That would
Speaker 2: be serious. Indeed, Look, this is real these you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about rap battles and we think about Drake
Speaker 2: and we think about Kendrick Lamar. But back in the day,
Speaker 2: in the nineties, they were coupled with real life gangsters
Speaker 2: who were willing to follow through. It wasn't just the
Speaker 2: written word or the spoken word. They used real weapons,
Speaker 2: not words as weapons. And that is certainly part of
Speaker 2: what was the concern in court when we heard from
Speaker 2: Davis addressing the judge and prosecutors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this stuff is wrong. You're endangering my family's life.
Speaker 1: They keep giving out my address. Stay broken in my house,
Speaker 1: vandalized my house, vandalize my wife's car. The prosecutor at
Speaker 1: one point interjected, said, Judge, he's a I think he's
Speaker 1: upset with me because I'm prosecuting him for murder.
Speaker 2: And that's when Dwayn Davis said, I'm not upset. I'm
Speaker 2: being prosecuted. You're endangering my family's life. And look, I
Speaker 2: get it. I mean, it's funny. We've seen so many
Speaker 2: it's not Dwayn Davis isn't the only person who's addressing
Speaker 2: someone in an awkward way, like you're not used to
Speaker 2: seeing a defendant addressive prosecutor. I haven't been used to
Speaker 2: seeing a witness address a defendant. We've seen all of
Speaker 2: that happen in this trial so far, and it's only
Speaker 2: week two.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that guy. He was a blast, But
Speaker 1: on Friday this was for me. Rome's Leonard Jefferson was
Speaker 1: a big deal. He is the guy who took that
Speaker 1: iconic photo everybody's familiar with. He was on the stand. Also,
Speaker 1: two documentary filmmakers were on the stand. But Rose Leonard
Speaker 1: Jefferson took that photo. I had no idea, he said.
Speaker 1: He actually spoke to Tupac that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that. He said, Hey, what up, Poc,
Speaker 2: And then he kind of looked and kind of took
Speaker 2: like a double take and said, oh what up? Man?
Speaker 2: And I said, where are you guys headed? He said,
Speaker 2: We're headed to the club. You should follow us. I said,
Speaker 2: let me get a picture real quick.
Speaker 1: ROMs he's is he the last person, yes to speak
Speaker 1: to Tupac.
Speaker 2: Shakur other than sug Night, other than Sugar in the car?
Speaker 1: That is? I had no idea that guy has a
Speaker 1: place in rap history?
Speaker 2: Were they he just some random I mean rand, some
Speaker 2: random guy who just ran up to Tupac, got that
Speaker 2: iconic photo and now is testifying at a murder trial
Speaker 2: thirty years later.
Speaker 1: He said he was in town for the fight, but
Speaker 1: ended up selling his tickets to the Tyson fight and
Speaker 1: was hanging out and just kind of people watching, doing
Speaker 1: his thing, and rolled up. Happened Tupac happened to be there.
Speaker 1: This was fascinating, but he said he had a thirty
Speaker 1: five millimeters camera, didn't develop the film for weeks, and
Speaker 1: look what he had.
Speaker 2: Did he forget that he took the picture of me
Speaker 2: to me the moment you find out Tupac was shot
Speaker 2: just moments after you took that picture, running to go
Speaker 2: develop that film to see what I got.
Speaker 1: Said. It was weeks later before he did. Can you imagine? Interesting?
Speaker 1: And maybe he did forget about I don't know how
Speaker 1: you have forgotten that.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it's something you would forget given
Speaker 2: the events of that night. And he, you know, anyone
Speaker 2: who was People were claiming it was a staged photo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over the years, I didn't realize that had been
Speaker 1: a part of the storyline. But they asked them specifically
Speaker 1: about it on the stand and he's absolutely not not
Speaker 1: a stage photo, but not a witness rose. But I
Speaker 1: guess the highlighted testimony was a recorded interview. I've been
Speaker 1: playing these interviews that Dwayne Davis who did with police
Speaker 1: one in two thousand and eight. That one was played
Speaker 1: on Thursday. But the one on from two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine Robes is the one in which they have these
Speaker 1: ditty references. But before we get to all of that,
Speaker 1: he said that he claims that Dinny was scared of
Speaker 1: sug Knight.
Speaker 2: Sure, I am sure that Diddy is gonna love this.
Speaker 2: And again, this was all recorded back in two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, so it's not like any of this could
Speaker 2: even be close to being present day, given all that
Speaker 2: Diddy has been facing lately. So yeah, to think that did.
Speaker 2: He now knows that Davis told police all those years
Speaker 2: ago he was scared. I should not. You know, that's
Speaker 2: got to be riling him off.
Speaker 1: Well, you always do the scared voice. It's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm just here. It's funny to say scared, and it's scary.
Speaker 1: A couple other highlights here. Again, he had told us
Speaker 1: we had heard about this in testimony before, but it
Speaker 1: was fascinating to hear him once again say quote, we
Speaker 1: got lucky in finding Tupaca. Were unlucky, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was their intended target, and I guess it was
Speaker 1: a successful run in that respect. But he had talked
Speaker 1: about going to the club and they had waited for
Speaker 1: Tupac there. He didn't show up. They made a liquor
Speaker 1: run and it happened to run into him.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The detective at one point asked him specifically, did Puffy
Speaker 1: play a role and his answer here was yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: I don't know if maybe he was just being hesitant
Speaker 2: about how much he should say at that point, although
Speaker 2: he was saying who shot and pulled the trigger? But
Speaker 2: I don't know is there any reason why he would
Speaker 2: have been hesitant to fully say yeah, he played a role.
Speaker 2: Now what he said later was really interesting. I wish
Speaker 2: it never happened. I wish I never met Puff Daddy period.
Speaker 2: I swear to god, he messed up my life. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's wild.
Speaker 1: Puff Daddy Robes is again. They will tell you they
Speaker 1: have investigated and investigated and investigated, and there is no proof.
Speaker 1: There is no evidence that Sean Combs had anything to
Speaker 1: do with the death of Tupac, none.
Speaker 2: Except for this actual life. Yes, I was going to
Speaker 2: say a witness who gave a account which absolutely implicates
Speaker 2: Puff Daddy.
Speaker 1: So we were saying the same thing. A liar and
Speaker 1: not by my word. Again, that's his defense is that
Speaker 1: my client is a liar and you can't believe anything
Speaker 1: he said, and he was making all of this stuff up. Also, Rhodes,
Speaker 1: we learned that this guy, Dwayne Davis, at one point
Speaker 1: served as an informant for authorities, and part of his
Speaker 1: job as an informant was to tell police and lead
Speaker 1: them and guide them to the guy who was going
Speaker 1: to pay him the one million dollars for killing Tupac.
Speaker 1: Stay here, we'll explain the rest of this story.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. It is week
Speaker 2: two of the Tupac murder trial, and man week one
Speaker 2: was just eye opening, fascinating, never heard before statements. And
Speaker 2: now yes, more to come this week. But let's talk
Speaker 2: about puff Daddy because this was significant to hear directly
Speaker 2: from Dwayne Davis from two thousand and nine talking about
Speaker 2: this million dollars that he says Puffy Puff Daddy offered
Speaker 2: to him to kick out Sugar Night and two box
Speaker 2: Shakar Roase.
Speaker 1: He has made this accusation plenty of times. This has
Speaker 1: been something that's been talked about publicly. This is the
Speaker 1: first time we are hearing. These were police interviews, two
Speaker 1: separate ones, two different years, two different organizations, police organizations.
Speaker 1: He told them both very consistent stories, including that yes,
Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs, who, by the way, remember he's in
Speaker 1: prison right now? Yep. Now, I supposed get out til
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight? Is it next? What?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a crazy No.
Speaker 1: You might be right because he got two years.
Speaker 2: Now I'm confused, but I thought it was twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: It keeps moving around. I can get you the literally
Speaker 2: his release date. I swear once a month. It goes
Speaker 2: back and forth, and they won't explain why, if it's
Speaker 2: good behavior, if it's bad behavior. We know we got
Speaker 2: caught on a cell phone once, but then supposedly he
Speaker 2: did some rehab thing where he got it shortened. Now,
Speaker 2: so it's constantly changing release date.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it now?
Speaker 2: It's twenty eight, you're right, February twentieth, twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: I was having him out in months. Now it's February
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So tell more questioning. If he does get out, is
Speaker 1: he gonna end up right back in a courtroom on
Speaker 1: murder charges? Probably not, they'll tell you. But the story's
Speaker 1: been out there. So we're now hearing these police interviews robes,
Speaker 1: the back and forth between a detective and Dwayne Davis,
Speaker 1: and I mean, this is pretty straightforward stuff, ain't it. Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because look, the detective says, who got to shooting?
Speaker 2: And that's when Dwayne Davis says, Orlando. We've heard him
Speaker 2: testify this plenty that it was his nephew who actually
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger from the back seat, but then t
Speaker 2: when Davis says, I knew. We was like, damn, we
Speaker 2: can get paid now. The detective says, but when you
Speaker 2: said paid paid by Puffy, right, Dwayne Davis says, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but he's.
Speaker 1: A liar according to his attorney. So we what do
Speaker 1: you believe of what he says? Why would he be
Speaker 1: telling authorities that is he trying to get Diddy in trouble?
Speaker 1: Is he is that a true story? But he is
Speaker 1: saying Robes almost immediately after they had done the deed,
Speaker 1: they're thinking about money. I'm thinking, we can get paid now.
Speaker 2: What I mean that seems likely? I don't know if.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if they can if they never got
Speaker 2: the million dollars, I just don't think that there's this
Speaker 2: There is not a way to prosecute, to go forward
Speaker 2: without that money exchanging hands. But then I also am thinking,
Speaker 2: what if you just don't pay your assassin, you don't
Speaker 2: get charged with murder, You can.
Speaker 1: Get away with it. That seems weird and might not
Speaker 1: want that to get out.
Speaker 2: That doesn't seem like a loophole that should be advertised.
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like you should still be on
Speaker 2: the hook if I don't know though, if you didn't
Speaker 2: put it in writing. You just if it's not recorded.
Speaker 2: If you can't prove that someone offered you money, how
Speaker 2: does that legally go back to you? How do you
Speaker 2: have how could you possibly be held accountable that?
Speaker 1: Well, they certainly didn't get their money up front. Because
Speaker 1: Dwayne Davis goes on here we learned in court robes.
Speaker 1: He tells a story that he starts working with police
Speaker 1: and they and he says he can put police in
Speaker 1: back in touch with this contact he had, who is
Speaker 1: the guy who was supposed to give him the million
Speaker 1: dollars from puppet. He's saying there was an actual guy.
Speaker 1: So he travels from California to New York with police
Speaker 1: to try to track this guy. The meeting never happens,
Speaker 1: he never gets the million, but he claims he was
Speaker 1: there to hook up with a guy who was supposed
Speaker 1: to pay him a million bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his name was Eric Zip. Martin. Zip's been named
Speaker 2: a lot. Is this somebody who was a known entity
Speaker 2: before this trial? Is there's so many nicknames and it's
Speaker 2: just it does feel like a movie script, except for
Speaker 2: this all actually was taking place, or some of it was.
Speaker 2: Because you know, let's just remind everyone that Davis is
Speaker 2: full of crap, right, He's a liar.
Speaker 1: That's his defense.
Speaker 2: He's just boasting.
Speaker 1: Oh, Like, can you imagine getting him on the stand.
Speaker 1: He would be a blast, would he not? Oh my?
Speaker 2: I mean they wouldn't actually put him on the stand.
Speaker 1: How could you?
Speaker 2: Or if his defense is that he's a liar, what's
Speaker 2: the point of putting him up on the stand. Like
Speaker 2: nothing he says would ever be even You wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to discern what's real what's not.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get going again in Vegas today, supposed to
Speaker 1: have a full week I do believe of testimony out there.
Speaker 1: We are keeping a close eye on this one as
Speaker 1: well as the Lindsay Clancy trial, which is getting close
Speaker 1: to wrapping up. You want to preview of that one,
Speaker 1: it's in our feed right before this episode. But as always,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you spending a little time with us. I'm
Speaker 1: tj on behalf of my dear Amy Robot will talk soon.