WEBVTT - Tupac Murder Trial: Duane Davis Confession Renews “Diddy” Murder-For-Hire Allegations 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks. It is Monday, August twenty fourth, and

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<v Speaker 1>week two of the Tupac murder trial begins today. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe Diddy should also be on trial with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Yes, Dwayne

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<v Speaker 1>Davis is the defendant in this Tupac murder trial. But Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy's name is being thrown excuse me, puff Daddy's name

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<v Speaker 1>is being thrown around quite a bit and renewed interest

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<v Speaker 1>once again. And what has long been a conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Theory, Yeah, but it sounds like it's more than just

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<v Speaker 2>a conspiracy theory now from what we heard in court,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like there is a direct link and justifiably

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about Puffy Puff Daddy whatever his name is,

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<v Speaker 2>Diddy for legit reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now, he has always denied any involvement in Tupac's death.

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<v Speaker 1>He has always said he had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>hiring anybody for Tupac's death. However, Robes, given how heated

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<v Speaker 1>things were with the East Coast West Coast rap rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>that did get violent and deadly, It's always been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the narrative Robes, especially since nobody was charged

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<v Speaker 1>that possibly Sean, Did he Combs had offered to pay

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<v Speaker 1>to have Sugar Night and Tupac killed? There are people

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<v Speaker 1>robes in this country who will never believe anything else

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<v Speaker 1>other than did he having a hand?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did he? I can't remember where the names. I need

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to go all the name changes. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Puff Daddy's name was heard on Friday on a recording

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<v Speaker 1>in which Dwayne Davis was doing these interviews Robes, and

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<v Speaker 1>he seems to be telling a fairly consistent story. Is

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<v Speaker 1>he not?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And to me, if we're supposed to be taking

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<v Speaker 2>his own word for it in these recorded interviews that

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<v Speaker 2>are now playing obviously this central role in the case

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<v Speaker 2>against Dwayne Davis. If he is describing who actually killed

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<v Speaker 2>Tupac and then also describing being offered a million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>by Puff Daddy to take Sugar Night and Tupac out,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you need to believe all of what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be hard to just believe some of what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And if prosecutors are putting this forth as evidence, it

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<v Speaker 2>all should be considered in the same way. Actually, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we're talking about Puff Daddy again.

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<v Speaker 1>There, folks, I'm actually asking that question. Could Sean Combs

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<v Speaker 1>end up charged with murder for Tupac Shakur? That is

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<v Speaker 1>a stretch. I think most lego experts are saying right now,

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<v Speaker 1>given what has to be proved over the years and

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<v Speaker 1>the transaction, did he actually pay? And even what's his

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<v Speaker 1>name here, Dwayne Davis is saying he never actually received

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<v Speaker 1>payment as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, And that's a question. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to it because obviously we've seen and covered plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of murder for higher trials. If the money doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>exchanged hands, it's you, right, because look, I think about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of a lot of cases we've covered over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, and that's an integral part to a prosecutor's

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<v Speaker 2>case against a defendant that they actually did pay and

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<v Speaker 2>that money was received for said deed.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to exchange hands, and there was no accusation of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is still fascinating. So Dwayne Davis, Yes, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going on to week two testimony in his trial, not

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<v Speaker 1>of course, accused of being the trigger man, but accused

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<v Speaker 1>of orchestrating the plan and also providing the gun for

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<v Speaker 1>that night. So Robe this was interesting and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting that the judge allowed it. He got

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<v Speaker 1>a little combat and was directly going after the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>at one point the jury wasn't in there. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>upset that his his address has gotten out, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>and has caused problems at his home. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's understandable problems he's saying. There are security

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<v Speaker 2>issues that he has faced, vandalism and death threats, and

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<v Speaker 2>his families now at risk. So yes, he took issue

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<v Speaker 2>with that. He said that they've deliberately leaked his address

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<v Speaker 2>and his personal information, his family's personal information. That would

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<v Speaker 2>be serious. Indeed, Look, this is real these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about rap battles and we think about Drake

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<v Speaker 2>and we think about Kendrick Lamar. But back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, they were coupled with real life gangsters

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<v Speaker 2>who were willing to follow through. It wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 2>written word or the spoken word. They used real weapons,

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<v Speaker 2>not words as weapons. And that is certainly part of

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<v Speaker 2>what was the concern in court when we heard from

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<v Speaker 2>Davis addressing the judge and prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this stuff is wrong. You're endangering my family's life.

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<v Speaker 1>They keep giving out my address. Stay broken in my house,

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<v Speaker 1>vandalized my house, vandalize my wife's car. The prosecutor at

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<v Speaker 1>one point interjected, said, Judge, he's a I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>upset with me because I'm prosecuting him for murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when Dwayn Davis said, I'm not upset. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being prosecuted. You're endangering my family's life. And look, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. I mean, it's funny. We've seen so many

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<v Speaker 2>it's not Dwayn Davis isn't the only person who's addressing

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<v Speaker 2>someone in an awkward way, like you're not used to

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a defendant addressive prosecutor. I haven't been used to

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a witness address a defendant. We've seen all of

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<v Speaker 2>that happen in this trial so far, and it's only

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<v Speaker 2>week two.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that guy. He was a blast, But

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday this was for me. Rome's Leonard Jefferson was

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. He is the guy who took that

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<v Speaker 1>iconic photo everybody's familiar with. He was on the stand. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>two documentary filmmakers were on the stand. But Rose Leonard

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson took that photo. I had no idea, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually spoke to Tupac that night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said that. He said, Hey, what up, Poc,

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<v Speaker 2>And then he kind of looked and kind of took

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<v Speaker 2>like a double take and said, oh what up? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, where are you guys headed? He said,

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<v Speaker 2>We're headed to the club. You should follow us. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>let me get a picture real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>ROMs he's is he the last person, yes to speak

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<v Speaker 1>to Tupac.

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<v Speaker 2>Shakur other than sug Night, other than Sugar in the car?

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<v Speaker 1>That is? I had no idea that guy has a

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<v Speaker 1>place in rap history?

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<v Speaker 2>Were they he just some random I mean rand, some

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<v Speaker 2>random guy who just ran up to Tupac, got that

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<v Speaker 2>iconic photo and now is testifying at a murder trial

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years later.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he was in town for the fight, but

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<v Speaker 1>ended up selling his tickets to the Tyson fight and

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging out and just kind of people watching, doing

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<v Speaker 1>his thing, and rolled up. Happened Tupac happened to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>This was fascinating, but he said he had a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five millimeters camera, didn't develop the film for weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>look what he had.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he forget that he took the picture of me

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<v Speaker 2>to me the moment you find out Tupac was shot

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<v Speaker 2>just moments after you took that picture, running to go

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<v Speaker 2>develop that film to see what I got.

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<v Speaker 1>Said. It was weeks later before he did. Can you imagine? Interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe he did forget about I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>you have forgotten that.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem like it's something you would forget given

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<v Speaker 2>the events of that night. And he, you know, anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who was People were claiming it was a staged photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, over the years, I didn't realize that had been

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the storyline. But they asked them specifically

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<v Speaker 1>about it on the stand and he's absolutely not not

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<v Speaker 1>a stage photo, but not a witness rose. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the highlighted testimony was a recorded interview. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>playing these interviews that Dwayne Davis who did with police

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<v Speaker 1>one in two thousand and eight. That one was played

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday. But the one on from two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>nine Robes is the one in which they have these

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<v Speaker 1>ditty references. But before we get to all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he claims that Dinny was scared of

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<v Speaker 1>sug Knight.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I am sure that Diddy is gonna love this.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, this was all recorded back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine, so it's not like any of this could

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<v Speaker 2>even be close to being present day, given all that

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<v Speaker 2>Diddy has been facing lately. So yeah, to think that did.

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<v Speaker 2>He now knows that Davis told police all those years

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<v Speaker 2>ago he was scared. I should not. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be riling him off.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you always do the scared voice. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just here. It's funny to say scared, and it's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple other highlights here. Again, he had told us

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<v Speaker 1>we had heard about this in testimony before, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating to hear him once again say quote, we

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<v Speaker 1>got lucky in finding Tupaca. Were unlucky, right, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was their intended target, and I guess it was

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<v Speaker 1>a successful run in that respect. But he had talked

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<v Speaker 1>about going to the club and they had waited for

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<v Speaker 1>Tupac there. He didn't show up. They made a liquor

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<v Speaker 1>run and it happened to run into him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The detective at one point asked him specifically, did Puffy

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<v Speaker 1>play a role and his answer here was yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if maybe he was just being hesitant

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<v Speaker 2>about how much he should say at that point, although

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<v Speaker 2>he was saying who shot and pulled the trigger? But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know is there any reason why he would

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<v Speaker 2>have been hesitant to fully say yeah, he played a role.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what he said later was really interesting. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>it never happened. I wish I never met Puff Daddy period.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear to god, he messed up my life. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Puff Daddy Robes is again. They will tell you they

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<v Speaker 1>have investigated and investigated and investigated, and there is no proof.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no evidence that Sean Combs had anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the death of Tupac, none.

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<v Speaker 2>Except for this actual life. Yes, I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>say a witness who gave a account which absolutely implicates

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<v Speaker 2>Puff Daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were saying the same thing. A liar and

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<v Speaker 1>not by my word. Again, that's his defense is that

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<v Speaker 1>my client is a liar and you can't believe anything

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<v Speaker 1>he said, and he was making all of this stuff up. Also, Rhodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we learned that this guy, Dwayne Davis, at one point

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<v Speaker 1>served as an informant for authorities, and part of his

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<v Speaker 1>job as an informant was to tell police and lead

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<v Speaker 1>them and guide them to the guy who was going

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<v Speaker 1>to pay him the one million dollars for killing Tupac.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay here, we'll explain the rest of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. It is week

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<v Speaker 2>two of the Tupac murder trial, and man week one

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<v Speaker 2>was just eye opening, fascinating, never heard before statements. And

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<v Speaker 2>now yes, more to come this week. But let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about puff Daddy because this was significant to hear directly

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<v Speaker 2>from Dwayne Davis from two thousand and nine talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this million dollars that he says Puffy Puff Daddy offered

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<v Speaker 2>to him to kick out Sugar Night and two box

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<v Speaker 2>Shakar Roase.

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<v Speaker 1>He has made this accusation plenty of times. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been something that's been talked about publicly. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time we are hearing. These were police interviews, two

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<v Speaker 1>separate ones, two different years, two different organizations, police organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>He told them both very consistent stories, including that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Diddy Combs, who, by the way, remember he's in

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<v Speaker 1>prison right now? Yep. Now, I supposed get out til

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty eight? Is it next? What?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a crazy No.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be right because he got two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm confused, but I thought it was twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>It keeps moving around. I can get you the literally

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<v Speaker 2>his release date. I swear once a month. It goes

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth, and they won't explain why, if it's

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<v Speaker 2>good behavior, if it's bad behavior. We know we got

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<v Speaker 2>caught on a cell phone once, but then supposedly he

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<v Speaker 2>did some rehab thing where he got it shortened. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's constantly changing release date.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is it now?

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty eight, you're right, February twentieth, twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I was having him out in months. Now it's February

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell more questioning. If he does get out, is

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<v Speaker 1>he gonna end up right back in a courtroom on

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<v Speaker 1>murder charges? Probably not, they'll tell you. But the story's

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<v Speaker 1>been out there. So we're now hearing these police interviews robes,

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<v Speaker 1>the back and forth between a detective and Dwayne Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, this is pretty straightforward stuff, ain't it. Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because look, the detective says, who got to shooting?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when Dwayne Davis says, Orlando. We've heard him

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<v Speaker 2>testify this plenty that it was his nephew who actually

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<v Speaker 2>pulled the trigger from the back seat, but then t

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<v Speaker 2>when Davis says, I knew. We was like, damn, we

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<v Speaker 2>can get paid now. The detective says, but when you

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<v Speaker 2>said paid paid by Puffy, right, Dwayne Davis says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but he's.

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<v Speaker 1>A liar according to his attorney. So we what do

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<v Speaker 1>you believe of what he says? Why would he be

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<v Speaker 1>telling authorities that is he trying to get Diddy in trouble?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he is that a true story? But he is

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<v Speaker 1>saying Robes almost immediately after they had done the deed,

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<v Speaker 1>they're thinking about money. I'm thinking, we can get paid now.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean that seems likely? I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, if they can if they never got

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<v Speaker 2>the million dollars, I just don't think that there's this

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<v Speaker 2>There is not a way to prosecute, to go forward

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<v Speaker 2>without that money exchanging hands. But then I also am thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>what if you just don't pay your assassin, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get charged with murder, You can.

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<v Speaker 1>Get away with it. That seems weird and might not

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<v Speaker 1>want that to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't seem like a loophole that should be advertised.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it seems like you should still be on

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<v Speaker 2>the hook if I don't know though, if you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>put it in writing. You just if it's not recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't prove that someone offered you money, how

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<v Speaker 2>does that legally go back to you? How do you

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<v Speaker 2>have how could you possibly be held accountable that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they certainly didn't get their money up front. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Davis goes on here we learned in court robes.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells a story that he starts working with police

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<v Speaker 1>and they and he says he can put police in

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<v Speaker 1>back in touch with this contact he had, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who was supposed to give him the million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from puppet. He's saying there was an actual guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So he travels from California to New York with police

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<v Speaker 1>to try to track this guy. The meeting never happens,

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<v Speaker 1>he never gets the million, but he claims he was

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<v Speaker 1>there to hook up with a guy who was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to pay him a million bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his name was Eric Zip. Martin. Zip's been named

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Is this somebody who was a known entity

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<v Speaker 2>before this trial? Is there's so many nicknames and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it does feel like a movie script, except for

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<v Speaker 2>this all actually was taking place, or some of it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, let's just remind everyone that Davis is

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<v Speaker 2>full of crap, right, He's a liar.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his defense.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just boasting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Like, can you imagine getting him on the stand.

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<v Speaker 1>He would be a blast, would he not? Oh my?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they wouldn't actually put him on the stand.

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<v Speaker 1>How could you?

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<v Speaker 2>Or if his defense is that he's a liar, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the point of putting him up on the stand. Like

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<v Speaker 2>nothing he says would ever be even You wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to discern what's real what's not.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna get going again in Vegas today, supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>have a full week I do believe of testimony out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We are keeping a close eye on this one as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the Lindsay Clancy trial, which is getting close

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<v Speaker 1>to wrapping up. You want to preview of that one,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in our feed right before this episode. But as always,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you spending a little time with us. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tj on behalf of my dear Amy Robot will talk soon.