1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Taking a walk day and night. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: You know, again, in between work, we were devoted to writing, recording, rehearsing. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Before we'd even made. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: That first album, band Edsliver Cork that came out in 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: two thousand and four, we were just very creative and 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: trying to build and help facilitate this world. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: A bridge connects two places, but what happens when that 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: bridge leads not just too far, but too far as 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: in towards something distant and unknown. I'm Buzznight, the host 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: of the Taking a Walk podcast. Today I'm going to 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 3: be joined by Eric Paalito from the band Midlake, a 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: band that has spent nearly two decades building sonic bridges 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 3: between folk and rock and something altogether more mystical. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 4: Their sixth album. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: We're going to be talking about and we're going to 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: explore how this Texas band keeps finding new territories to 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: traverse even after. 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 4: All these years of wandering. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk, Eric, thanks for being on Taking a Walk, 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to the. 21 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Show, good to be here, Thanks for having me. 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 4: Buzz Yeah. So it's called taking a walk. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: So I have to ask you first if you had 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: the opportunity to take a walk with somebody living or deceased, 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: who would you take a walk with? 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: And where might you take that walk? 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Oh? 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: Man, that's came out with a big one there, guns 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: are blazing. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: Oh wait, that's the wrong way to say. 31 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we have as a group that we 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 5: were talking with, we have these celebratory lunches and I 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 5: usually am the one that has to come up with 35 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 5: the ask, you know, And one of my my ask was, 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 5: you know, kind of that that question in essence where 37 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 5: it's like if one person. 38 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: Living or dead you could have a conversation with, And 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: I said Abraham Lincoln, which I know is probably a 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: very like I don't know, just like a it's an 41 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: easy answer, you know, there's probably as I thought, as 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: I thought more. One of the one of the podcasts 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: that I listened to a lot is Club Random with 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: Bill Maher, And I know he can be a polarizing figure, 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: but I really get a kick out of his the 46 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: comedic element mixed with obviously just the weight of the 47 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: world and elements that exist. And so I'm gonna go 48 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: out on a limb and just go ahead and say 49 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: I'd like to take a walk and talk with Phil Barr. 50 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: That's okay, Yeah, I listen, I watch club random. I 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: just to be official, I'm drinking water first of all, 52 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: not any of my booze of choice. And there's nothing 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: lit up in this room either, including. 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: Me, right. 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: But likewise, but it is early. 56 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, and I'm going to talk to you about 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: the bar where you're situated in later on. For sure, 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: Abe Lincoln, by the way, is not a terrible one. 59 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: I'm friendly with the author historian Doris Kern's Goodwin and 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: she would always talk about folks like Abe Lincoln like 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 3: her guys. You know, those were her guys. So there's 62 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: nothing wrong with AaB either, for sure, you know. 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I and I realized, like obviously, if you 64 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to walk with someone that's no longer 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: here and you didn't live amongst like you, maybe would 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: you know, be more poignant's take take that up instead 67 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: of someone that you could possibly run into. 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: Uh. 69 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: But again, maybe maybe there's no wrong answers. But it's 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: a it's a big one. It's a that's a that's 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: a tough one. 72 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: It's a Yeah, it's a big one out of the gate, 73 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: but it's a it's a nice icebreaker as well. Yeah, 74 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about the new music that I 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: want to certainly congratulate you and the band on for sure. Uh, 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: And I love the music. Your music is always really 77 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: it's felt like that it's perfect for long drives or 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: walks to be able to sort of, you know, get 79 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: lost and find great inspiration. Does that satisfy you telling 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: you that a listener feels that way about the. 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: Mouth, Of course, of course. 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm an avid walker and runner, 83 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: more walking than running these days, but I kind of 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: mix in both and it's inherently just gets the blood flowing. 85 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: And I feel like I've gotten a lot. 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: Of ideas while on walks or runs, and I'll stop 87 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: and I'll type something into my phone or I'll sing 88 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: a melody into a voice memo. And even after the 89 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: record's done, going on a walk and listening for mixed 90 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: notes or things like that, it's really and there's a 91 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: couple other guys that run a lot on the band 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: and it's it's I don't know, it's kind of a 93 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: just a great source of reflection and inspiration that we 94 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: find that mix as well. So if that happens on 95 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: the other end of folks getting to hear it and 96 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: getting moved in a certain way while they're literally moving Also, 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty cool mix. 98 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: So after nearly twenty years of making music together, what 99 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: still surprises. 100 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: You about your your bandmates? 101 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: You know, what surprises me is that it's it's like 102 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: riding a bike when we get together and play music. 103 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: We don't you know, obviously we're we're older now or 104 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, have kids and and and have other elements 105 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: of our lives and dynamics that just it's not like 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: it was when we just you know, played music every 107 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: day and went to the bar every night and just 108 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: hit reset, you know, every every day with a job 109 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: maybe mixed in. But now it's it's, uh, it's it's 110 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: it's it's really nice when we're able to get together 111 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: and I'm always just encouraged by no matter how long 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: it's been, we just just click right back in and 113 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: just know one another very well musically to where it 114 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: it's not forced. 115 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 6: You know. 116 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: We we wrote a lot of this, uh remotely. We 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: would get together and have some writing sessions when we 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: could and we were all in one one place. But 119 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 2: it really was the making of the album when we said, okay, 120 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: here's the collection of demos that we have no real 121 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 2: priority of order, but let's just start, you know, going 122 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: through and everybody respectively doing their own you know, listening 123 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: and having ideas and such. And then we got in 124 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: there with our the producer, Sam Evan, and we just 125 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: played in the room while he, you know, he was 126 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: tracking everything and it was just real freeing and not 127 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: forced and hopefully that comes across in. 128 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: The recording totally does So. Tell me about your earliest 129 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: musical inspirations personally. 130 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 2: My folks were into music at an early age, and 131 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: there you know, there was always records around and and 132 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: you know, I just remember my dad was always a 133 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: big fan of albums and bands from yesteryear, you know, 134 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: sixties and and so I knew of that stuff growing up. 135 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: But I was also you know, growing up in Houston, 136 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: Texas in the eighties and very well were well aware 137 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: of country music going on at that time as well, 138 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: and just the evolution through the years. I just ate 139 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: up everything. I always loved music and was just a 140 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: self taught musician. You know, I didn't really know much 141 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: of anything outside of I love just to sing and 142 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: I love to play and kind of I had a 143 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: piano that was more like furniture at the house growing up, 144 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: and my step grandmother would come over and have a 145 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: piano lesson book to teach me just the rudiments of 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: some songs, some easy songs, and it was kind of 147 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: like the first step towards Wow, I can take this 148 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: thing that I've heard and really love and just sing 149 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: along as anyone would and try to put it together 150 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 2: in notes and then eventually getting a guitar and learning 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: cores and you know, singing and whatnot. It actually wasn't 152 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: until I graduated and moved to Denton and took some 153 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: classes at U and T because the rest of the 154 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: guys were so well schooled, you know, with the background 155 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: of jazz studies. At that I feel like I was 156 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: playing catch up, you know, because everything before was just 157 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: self taught. So I'm probably somewhere in between at this point. 158 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: But but yeah, those early introductions of just pop music, 159 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: you know, through that Golden era was really what set 160 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: my foundation and I and obviously you could even say 161 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: our band has harkened back to some references from those 162 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: years ourselves and inspiration and reference with albums that we've made. 163 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 3: And then speaking of musical journeys and journeys. Obviously the Denton, 164 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: Texas part of place that's you know, rich in musical history. 165 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: How has that specific place Denton had that influence. 166 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: It's been a great influence, and especially early on on 167 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: UH with such a community of folks that not only 168 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: maybe went to school at U and T, but then 169 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: you know, ended up sticking around forming a band. Maybe 170 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: kind of this collection and community of artists and bands 171 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: that would you know, play around and and and try 172 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: to also get out of dodge and see, you know, 173 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: where that journey could take us. But it was always 174 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: and has always been even we used to record out 175 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: of the house that we all live together. Once you 176 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: get married, that's kind of harder to do. And we 177 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: got a studio just a stone's throat from this bar 178 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: that I'm sitting at now, and it really just became, 179 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: you know, a part of the bedrock of of where 180 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: we physically are, you know, every day, and and and 181 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: the sites that you see and the people that you 182 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: run into. Obviously that's evolved some now over time. As 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: I said, not everybody lives in the same town. We 184 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: all have respective you know, other obligations and such. But 185 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: I still feel like that exists here and it's kind 186 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: of another generation's to carry on. 187 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 6: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 188 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 6: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 189 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 3: You know, the band has always been known for this 190 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: meticulous craftsmanship and taking a long time between between albums. 191 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: Let's talk about just in general the creative process and 192 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: then what it looks like these days, especially, you know, 193 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: talking about the new music. 194 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 2: So early on, you know it it was a different process, 195 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: and like I said earlier, some of that is it's 196 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: a double edged sword because you have this time. You know, 197 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: obviously nobody knew who we were. We were trying to 198 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: hone whatever you know, sound or or what we wanted 199 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: to be, and a lot of that obviously revolved around 200 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: our cheap singer songwriter, Tim Smith, and we were all 201 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: it was just five of us at the time, day 202 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: and night. 203 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: You know. 204 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: Again, in between work, we were devoted to writing, recording, rehearsing. 205 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Before we'd even made that. 206 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: First album, Band Need and Silver Cork that came out 207 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: in two thousand and four, we were just very creative 208 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: and trying to build and help facilitate this world. Two 209 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: thousand and six, when band Occupanther came out between that era. Also, Uh, 210 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: not only was it a time of unknowing what we 211 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: were going to be or have as a label anymore, 212 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: because our first record didn't go so well, but also 213 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: starting to reference something that, even though it's ubiquitous now especially, 214 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: it was kind of like a new era I think 215 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: of inspiration for younger bands of this indie folk type 216 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: of renaissance and digging into some of those bands of 217 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: seventies especially, and it really struck a chord. And we 218 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: were taking aback because our label was based in the 219 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: UK and Europe, and so we were doing better over 220 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: there than we could even in our home country, much 221 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: less state, you know, and so we were just traveling 222 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: a lot over there and playing and growing. We start 223 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: seeing people singing the song back to us, and it 224 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: was it was awesome, you know, just so cool to 225 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: see what was being built and then the pressures of like, okay, 226 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: where do we go from here? We toured for about 227 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: two years, and I felt like, especially if you just 228 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: looked at the albums of two thousand and six and 229 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: then you didn't put out an album till twenty ten, 230 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 2: that definitely wasn't always you know, writing and recording because 231 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: we didn't we didn't switch gears. 232 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: Well, we were either. 233 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: Touring on the road or we were at home, you know, 234 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: going into the studio like a day job and kind 235 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: of just work on music that way, because by that 236 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: time we had a studio that wasn't at the house, 237 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: but still our own gear that we'd kind of added to, 238 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: and we were also changing some of those that evolution 239 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: of reference where you start to go into some of 240 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 2: it's still folk, but it's like British folk, you know, 241 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: and really diving into that and you can hear that 242 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: on the courage of others. And then touring that album 243 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: was really successful as well, and now having a few 244 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: albums under our belt to kind of share and choose 245 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: from the discography and a live set. It was that 246 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: next two years trying to make the album that was. 247 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: Going to be called Seven Long Suns, where. 248 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: We were spinning our wheels, we were playing out more 249 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: and that was actually kind of fun to play while 250 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: also working on music, and then coming back to the 251 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: studio and going, man, we just can't capture that song 252 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: that we did live like that in the studio, and 253 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: of course you could say, well, well you're not live 254 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: in front of an audience or they're in a studio. 255 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: You know, that's just kind of cold and and not 256 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: as alive. And and so we really struggled through those 257 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: those two years, even though I felt like we were 258 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: capturing some cool moments, and ultimately, you know, as you 259 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: may well know, uh ended in and tim departing, and 260 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: that was a huge obviously a gut punch in a way, 261 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: not in a personal way, but more of like what 262 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: do we do now? 263 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? 264 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: And I think, as I've said before, it's probably part 265 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: you know, stubbornness and and hopefully just some diligence and 266 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: and and and responsibility and saying no, I want to 267 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: I want to finish what we started, whatever that might 268 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: look like, if it's that album or or we had 269 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: made an agreement with our record label and and we 270 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: said we're working on music, so let's just start working 271 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: on a whole new album. And we did that and 272 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: wrote and recorded in six months Antifon, and that was great. 273 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it did feel like, you know, we recovered, 274 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: but also felt like we need to land this ship. 275 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Like it's just we were able to do what it 276 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: would many maybe didn't think we could, but we went 277 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: through the cycle we're done, and we did. So we 278 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: put the ship and dockeded, and I think all set 279 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: on different journeys. That was very intentional and purposeful, whether 280 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: that be starting a family, whether it be doing other 281 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: collaborative projects, solo projects, just taking a pause from Midlake. 282 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: It had been for me anyway since two thousand and 283 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: one without really stopping. Even though there were gaps in 284 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: between records, we were always working on mid Lake, and 285 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: so it was nice to have a reprieve, if not 286 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: just a finality, and do those other things. And I 287 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: think it helped inform what would or could come next, 288 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: and of course that was Bethel Woods, and I think 289 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: after we did that album, it kind of helped set 290 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: up the possibility to do. 291 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: This last one. 292 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: I think the industry and of itself is one, as 293 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: you probably well know and any artist knows, it could 294 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: be one difficult to kind of navigate. But we always 295 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: felt like if we could do something we felt proud 296 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: of and come together and create, we'll do that. And 297 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm just glad it didn't take as long, maybe longer 298 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: than it should. But in between these two albums, I'm 299 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: glad to follow up and now be going out and 300 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: playing some shows again with the guy. So I know 301 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: that was a long winded answer, but I wanted to 302 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: cover the basis well. 303 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: But people don't understand. 304 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: I believe the complexity of dynamics, of creative process, of 305 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: creative pressure of the road, so all these things really 306 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:03,479 Speaker 3: factor in personal lives, you know, other priorities. So I'm 307 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 3: really appreciative of you sharing because it's it does give 308 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 3: us a glimpse inside the dynamics that are, you know, 309 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: unmistakably challenging. 310 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 4: I think for bands, you know. 311 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, it's I'm thankful for the guys past and 312 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: present it you know, as you know, I mean, I think, 313 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: you know, relationships are so key and how you travel together, 314 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: how you communicate with one another. It becomes paramount when 315 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: you're you know, thousands of miles away and just with 316 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: the same folks every day, and and you're young and 317 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: emotions are running high, and most of the time is 318 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: that it's only an hour or two of playing. And 319 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: like I said, we've always been able to play well together. 320 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: It can sometimes just be the other, you know, twenty 321 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: three hours of the day. 322 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: Well, which is why you're sitting in a pretty cool 323 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: looking place in Denton, Texas that we were talking. 324 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 4: About before we started. 325 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: It's a collective place otherwise known as a bar that 326 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: you guys own, right. 327 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Pascal Bar, and we opened it in 328 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: twenty eleven. So it was actually while we were making 329 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: the record after Courage, and we had a little money 330 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: in the bank, and I think we were all aware 331 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: at that time of we need to do other things 332 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: and try to be you know, good stewards of this 333 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: business as it were, of just like we're a group 334 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: of guys that have collective money coming in. Should that 335 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: just be something that we all split up? Do you 336 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: save it, do you invest it? Do you create another business? 337 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: And we didn't know, We didn't know what we were doing. 338 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: Really. 339 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: I think it just seemed like possible and something we 340 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: would selfishly enjoy whether it was a good day or 341 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: a bad day, like let's go to the bar. And 342 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: like I said earlier, it was we were glor if 343 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: I'd interior decorators. We loved in our travels seeing different 344 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: types of decor and obviously historic decor and European pubs 345 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: or you know, just castles in mid century you know, 346 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: elements of furniture, and so it was just kind of 347 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: fun to find things collectively and kind of build out 348 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: a space within an old building. This building was built 349 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy seven and dress it up in a 350 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: way that we thought would be cool. And then my 351 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: brother actually, who was living in Houston, moved up here 352 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: and helped run the bar, and collectively we just kind 353 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: of figured it out. Like most people do. It just 354 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: kind of just jump and then it's kind of how 355 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 2: it was with the band. Just jump and then hopefully 356 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: the parachute will deploy it. 357 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: It's deployed for sure. Talk about what you're most proud 358 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: of on a Bridge to far. 359 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: You know, outside of just being able to to make 360 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: the album, because to be honest, after the last album, 361 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: and I know this seems like a recurring theme with us, 362 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: if not other bands, you kind of especially because I 363 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: would never want to give less than what I feel 364 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: is merited. If you ask yourselves collectively, as friends who 365 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: love one another and and and respect one another, like, 366 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: do we have it in us to do another album? 367 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: And I say that, I know that someone might roll 368 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: their eyes at that, but I say that because it's 369 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: not We're not the Beatles, obviously, we can't just make 370 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: an album like there's gonna be expectations of us to 371 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: promote that that album and go support that album, and 372 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: there's a lot of that that is joyful, but I know, 373 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: given anybody's respective situation on their own, there's other elements 374 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: packed into that. And so I think it was something 375 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: that we kind of took and started to write based 376 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: on a conversation that we had collectively had with our 377 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: management as well, and that that's actually was the inspiration 378 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: for the song ghouls, because we had a talk about 379 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: our goals. We're like, let's talk about our goals, and 380 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: so I kind of thought of you a fun you know, 381 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: pun to kind of in a way kind of like 382 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: demonize it, but also say, don't be afraid of of this. 383 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: This demonized you know goal. 384 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 4: You know. 385 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: So that that one. 386 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: Obviously was the first one released, and it was I 387 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: thought it was apropos that that it did come out first, 388 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: because it was the first of the inspiration of making 389 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: the whole. 390 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Album, and it kind of over. 391 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: Those next couple of years just we kept working through 392 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: those ideas. 393 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I find the song haunting but also hopeful 394 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: you know. 395 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: That that's usually the juxtaposition that I like to have, well, 396 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: or at least I hope that hope is on the 397 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 2: back end of every sentiment in a song. I mean, 398 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: I definitely we're not a band that wants to be 399 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: doom and gloom. 400 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: But I understand that. 401 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: Minor key songs can sometimes bring out the melancholy. But 402 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: I think even in that sentiment, there's there's hope on 403 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: the other side of it. And again, that was the 404 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: song was to say, don't fear these things. You know, 405 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: there's there's a light at the end of the tunnel. 406 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: Don't you feel this time. 407 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: In terms of how independent and folk and Americana is 408 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: growing in acceptance, don't you feel in particular, it's a 409 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: really great time to be in the zone that you 410 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: guys are in. 411 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I hope, so I don't I always 412 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: genres are tricky, you know, and obviously I'm I'm as 413 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: I guess, familiar or or guilty as the next too. 414 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 2: As you well know, with what you do is like 415 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: you're trying to convey something you know to somebody else 416 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: saying it's sounds like this, you know, and it's you know, 417 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: an indie folk rock, psych, you know, like so on 418 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 2: and so forth, and you start adding kind of monikers 419 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: to to describe something. Then you say, oh, just it 420 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: sounds like this band or this band married this band 421 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: for better or worse. 422 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: I feel like, well, I feel like we have. 423 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: Evolved in reference different things over time, but I hope 424 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: there's been a commonality, you know, that that that someone 425 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: that's listened to our music can can hear I've probably 426 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: lost all objectivity and can often revert back to, oh, 427 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: we're an indie folk band, you know, And sometimes I 428 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: sit back and go, are we like is that what 429 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 2: this sounds like? I do think there are there's a 430 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: lot of music in our discography that fits that bold, 431 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: but I hope there's also elements that kind of live 432 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: beyond that and and kind of evolve into something that says, oh, 433 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: it's just Midlake. 434 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: You know it sounds like Midlake. 435 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 3: Well, I find myself stopping short sometimes in the genre 436 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: exploration because then I stop and go, Okay, I know 437 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 3: what it is. 438 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 4: How about that it just sounds really good? 439 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: You know that's a that's a good one too. It's good. 440 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: It's just good, just good music, you know, absolutely, you 441 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: know in closing, I know this new album it's it's 442 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: a testament kind of to the bond, you know, believing 443 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 3: in something beyond reach and what for you personally is 444 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: something reaching you know, beyond believing in something and reaching 445 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: beyond that that reach. 446 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean kind of like you said, like I 447 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: want to believe that that goodness wins. You know that 448 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: that there's a path. There's always a path, even though 449 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: I know it's not the same for for every one, 450 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: and that's not always physical, it's mental, it's it's emotional. 451 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: But even in that song A Bridge too Far, it's 452 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: it's the belief and and and and hopefully even a 453 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: vessel to say, you know, there's there is goodness, there 454 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: is there is hope, and to almost try to collectively 455 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: embrace that over elements that get thrown at us all 456 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: the time, uh, in this world and waking up and 457 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: saying I'm just glad to be alive and to see 458 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: this big ball of fire come up every day, and 459 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: and and my expectation of it, saying well, I should 460 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: be grateful, you know that that what we do have 461 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: and what I have and part of these songs are 462 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: sometimes many times just reminders to myself, you know, and 463 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: hopefully someone else in their own walk of life can 464 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: you know, take from that, maybe their own meaning, but 465 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: but ultimately one that I is for good. 466 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: Eric. 467 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: We are grateful for Midlake and all the great music 468 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: you continue to give us. Some congrats on the sixth 469 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: album Yeah. 470 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: We got there, Lucky number six. 471 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, go get them. Thanks for being on Taking a Walk. 472 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: Eric, Thank you, buzz I appreciate it. 473 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 6: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 474 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 6: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 475 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 6: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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