WEBVTT - Sick w/ Jill Marie Lawrence 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.799 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:27.120 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.560 Hello, that's messed up an sv podcast. My name is Lisa, 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.559 I am the host of the show. I am the 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.440 other host of the show, and my name is Kara. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.720 And you guys should have the GISTs by now. This 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.839 is episode seven thousand. We recap an amazing episode of SVU. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.680 We talked about the true crimes based on and then 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.239 we talked to some incredible guests who had something to 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.400 do with the show, either acting or in some other capacity. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.360 And you know, today's no different. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.360 Well, I have a question outside of a SVU of course. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.800 Oh oh go I you know, I have some weddings 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.000 this year and I found some dresses that were being 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:09.000 instagrammed down my throat is a trashy to message the 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:10.800 company and just be like, am I cool enough? 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.280 Will you give me these dresses or what? Like? I 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:14.080 have a check mark. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.360 I don't know, Like I just kind of want to 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.280 hit them up and be like, I have some events 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.280 coming up. I'm like, do I have enough followers for 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.319 you to hook me up? 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:21.679 Or what? 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:23.880 I say, why not? What's the worst? 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.440 They say, no, right, I think I have to because 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.360 you know, they're three hundred and fifty dollars dresses, and 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.039 I feel like I would, I don't want to. I would, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.880 I will buy them, but I don't want to. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.360 I think, Yeah, just be like I'm going to be 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.000 extensively photographed. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.000 Yeah, these are sharing weover. Yeah. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.120 I think that you should have no shame, go for 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.640 it and then fill us in, keep us updated. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.680 Yeah, I'll fill you in. I just like, it's like, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.320 just give me the dresses. Just give them to me, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.840 Give me the dresses. That's what I have to say. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.760 Oh my god, Yeah, that's so funny. I feel like 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.880 my weddings. I used to go to nine weddings a year, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.480 and now I'm like it's like trickle trickle, you know, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.840 Like I had one last year that was supposed to 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.079 be we all watched it on zoom together, like it 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.480 was supposed to be, you know, a live wedding, and 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.000 then now it's like, yeah, I don't even know, Oh 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.320 why am my brother's wedding in the fall? 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.560 But that's it, you know, No, I'm down to one 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.040 or two a year, but I never did it in 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.040 my twenties. Really like I just to sprinkle, and now 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.920 this is my most busy wedding year, so it's pretty firing. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.640 And then I guess pre pandemic. I went to a couple, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.200 but I yeah, I'm excited. I think even like when 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.640 I showed up to Noah and Ester's wedding in Denver. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.720 They were like, wow, you really came, and I was like, yeah, bitch, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.919 like I don't know what you wanted because Esther goes, oh, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.360 I checked the ticket prices for planes, and I would 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.760 have never come to this wedding, like she even told 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.600 she even did it in her wedding speech. Thank you, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.920 was like she was like, thanks everyone, I would have 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.320 never flown to any of your weddings for the prices 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.680 it costs and what's like wild price ticket like plane 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.760 ticket prices. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:59.679 But I did it. I don't know when I was 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.240 happy to be there. Yeah. No, I love weddings like 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:04.920 I really think I shine at a wedding. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:11.320 I love them, chats, dancing, snacks, love, sincerity like a bar, yes, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.080 like open bars, photo boots. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.000 Yeah, I love it. Kids. Not being welcome. I mean 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.040 so many of my favorite things. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.600 Yeah, I don't think children will be at any of 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.440 these weddings I'm a part of. Yeah, my brother just 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.280 had to send a follow up email like, ooh, I 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.200 think some of you got the wrong idea about the 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.360 save the date your kids. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.640 Are not invited. No, And I was like so young 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:37.800 at my sister's wedding. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.960 I was in sixth grade and it was fun obviously, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.640 but like her husband's brother was teen years and he 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:50.840 got hammered. I remember him singing Enrique Iglesias at the 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.280 end of the night, just like bumbling through. But I 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.760 think that's where people first get wasted. Family wedding. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.440 Yeah, I was this. I didn't really ever try this. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.360 But did you ever get drunk at a barmetzvah or 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.360 about mitzvah? 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.760 No? No, I feel like some people do that though 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.040 they like go, they figure out ways to get like 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.080 Shirley temples and like get booze into them or something 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:14.320 like that. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.040 I remember drinking in eighth grade. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.240 No, me neither, but some kids do, and like fucking 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.600 Shirley temples were my obsessions, so I would never want 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.599 to add alcohol to them. Like I was just like 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.200 give me load my like inject those Maraschino cherries into 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:29.960 my veins, you know. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.040 But like I bet you some. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.840 Kids like fucking try to turn up when their parents 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.880 aren't looking at bought Mitzvahs and bar Mitzvah's right. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.880 Not, I hope not. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.880 But I guess I knew kids smoking weed and junior high. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.240 But I don't think they're doing great now, Like I. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.520 Don't know, you can't. It's not good to be that 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.239 cool that young. Why it just start drinking. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.120 I mean I did take like a shot in sixth 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.599 grade because I found my sister's like stuff, and like 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.200 we did a thing. But in terms of like, ooh, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.080 I'm gonna go drink, I would say, hi, like junior year, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:02.400 junior year. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:03.880 I'm gonna yeah. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.920 I had like a rough, tough swim season, and then 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.000 I decided to go into weed and alcohol. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:11.960 I needed a break. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.680 Yeah, No, I my A lot of my friends did 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.239 start drinking in eighth grade, and I was like so anti. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.760 I was like, no, we can't do that. And then 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.760 by the end of ninth grade, I was fully drinking. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.359 And but I didn't start smoking weed really until like 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.640 summer after sophomore year. Like for some reason, I like 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.280 summer after sophomore year, I spoked weed. I didn't get 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.600 high because you know they used to say like, oh, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.320 you don't get high your first time. And then I 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.760 think junior year I started smoking weed and getting high, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.120 but you know I waited a little bit. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.360 Yeah, I can't imagine. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.440 Well, that's why I love that Yellow Jacket's part when 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.719 like Shaunas revealed that she's pregnant and then one of 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.920 the girls goes, you had sex, And that's how I 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.039 felt that young where you would be like, oh my god, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.800 you're sucking dick and you're twelve, Like it was kind 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.400 of wild. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.640 I wasn't getting wasted in junior high. I don't. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.920 I mean, maybe I was a loser, Like I don't 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.440 remember people getting wasted at bar and bat mitzvahs that 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:05.320 I frequent. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:06.640 No, I don't think you're a loser. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.960 I just feel like I've heard about the Barbomitzvah thing, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.120 but I do know that like eighth I mean I 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.120 was going to Barbomitzvah, was in the seventh grade, and 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.240 then like in eighth grade, people were starting to dabble, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.919 and I remember it with some of my good friends, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.599 and I was like, you guys, like, don't do that. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.960 That's bad. Like I was really upset. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.720 And then by the end of ninth grade, I was like, yeah, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.400 vodka tastes fine with OJ. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.480 You know, like, but no, I would like chug it. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.000 I would get way too wasted. That was the problem. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.680 We would all just like chug the vodka. Like you 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.919 just don't even know what the fuck you're doing with anything. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.159 But Shirmy Temple's with vodka are delicious. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.000 Now I have done, yes, yes, well, probably because we're 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.160 gonna put good vodka in it too, right, Like I 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.240 think that the like the way we used to do 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.240 it in high school or whatever was like, you know, 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.080 pop off like potato vodka for like ten dollars a 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:58.440 gallon or whatever. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.960 And it was nasty. They're called dirty Shirley's in case 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.360 you go, yeah, dirty Shirley's. That's wow. Spoke that's what 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:05.240 got them going. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.479 My friend sophs partner Annalise loves a dirty Shirley and 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:10.920 we used to drink them in San Diego. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:16.000 Yep, dirty Shirly I like that. That's so exciting. Yeah, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.320 cocktails are great. I've do you know that. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.520 I was looking up Shirley Temple the other day. This 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:22.000 is weird. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:23.680 I don't know why I was looking up Shirley Temple 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:24.840 other day because I was trying to like write a 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.480 joke that had something about Shirley Temple in it, and 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.240 like she is like the only child star that had 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.200 an okay life, Like Shirley Temple lived until she was 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.360 like eighty five, no alcohol problems, no drug problem, like. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.040 Just a Do you think it's because she was famous 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.200 for a little bit of time and then disappeared, like 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.360 she didn't continue or what I. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.280 Think, Well, she didn't keep acting, but I think she 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.760 was still like active, like like publicly, like I saw 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.040 photos of her as an old woman, like out at events, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.280 you know what I mean. Like I don't think she 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.080 went fully underground, but like most child stars have some 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.880 kind of little problem, you know, and like, yeah, surely 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.840 Temple just skated by, she tapped danced by, And. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.720 How are your tap classes going? VT? Debs. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.560 I wasn't able to go last week, but you know, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.080 I'll be back on the horse sucking at it again 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:14.600 this week. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.720 No, it's important to suck at stuff. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.680 I just like, first of all, it's it's not that 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.360 physically taxing on me for some reason, like I don't 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.880 get super sweaty and it doesn't make me sore or anything. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.680 But I am also not great at it, so it's 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.600 like it feels like I'm forcing my brain to work 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:32.199 in a different way. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:33.079 And I kind of like that. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.040 But you know this idea that you have to be 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.960 good at everything, Like sometimes it's just like you could 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:39.560 just do it. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.040 Like some people are like, when's the recital, and I'm like, 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.240 there isn't one, and I wouldn't do it if there was. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.840 One, Like I don't, so it's like I think it's 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.720 just to adults dance recital. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.240 I mean that would be a. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.880 Low no exist because when I worked at the USA network, 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.640 my boss, who was like an executive at USA, was 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.160 doing adults haap and was like, my recitals this weekend 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.920 and I was like, whoa, that's like. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.440 Meg Stalter's character and hacks when she's like, oh, my 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.040 ballet thing. So but I wonder if that's someone who 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.400 also worked at USA, like worked on the show and 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.600 connected at all, or people are just funny funny writers. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.680 Yeah, it is funny because it's like they asked I 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.600 go to the same school dance school as my child. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.600 I think I've mentioned that, and so like they're having 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.640 a recital, which I did not sign her up for 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.600 because it's one hundred dollars and Rosie doesn't do anything, 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.599 like she will not follow instructions or do any of 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:32.960 the moves. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.240 I'm not like going to pay to like see that. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.000 So I just didn't even consider that there would be 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:40.840 one for the adults. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.560 So I cannot believe you're not paying for the recital. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.160 I also can't believe you have to pay for a recital. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.280 One hundred dollars and I will in like a year 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.120 or two years, Like she just needs to be a 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.800 little bit older, Like she just goes and fucks off, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.680 you know, Like there's no way I'm paying to see 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.280 her like run across the stage and like not do 0:09:59.400 --> 0:09:59.880 the dance. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.680 You know, but I'm sure it'll be cute now. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.000 The photo of her with her little friends is cute. Also, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.880 Rosie on a pony was very cute. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.040 Oh yes, yes, full horse girl. She fun on it. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.880 Oh my god, elated, And I was worried she was 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.920 going to get nervous because Rosie talks a big game 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.640 and then when something like actually comes up, she gets 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.199 scared and like they strap you to this pony, and 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:23.920 she felt like sturdy and. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.199 Was just having the time of her life. It was great. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.880 I'm very happy for her living a good life. She's 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:31.200 going to start journaling soon. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:32.720 Oh. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:33.520 One more thing. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.800 We are going to be on tour this weekend in 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:42.200 both Seattle and Portland. We had two shows in Seattle 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.320 on the ninth of April, but they sold out, so 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.720 we did add another show on Friday, April eighth, So 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.120 if you live in the Seattle area, please come see us. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.120 That Friday show still has tickets available. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.520 And then on Sunday the tenth, we are in Portland 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.200 at the Aladdin. All of this information is available at 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.560 That's Messed Up live dot com, or you can check 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.640 the link in our Instagram bio or all of our 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.199 Instagram has all flyers for all these places. Contact the 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.360 venues directly. Whatever you guys want to do, just come 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.000 see us live. We'd love to see you. Should we 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.560 get started on today's episode? 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:17.360 Yeah? 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.920 Please, Yeah, We've got a really good one this week. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:21.720 A classic. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.400 All right, let's get into this episode. I would say 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.160 a classic, a favorite. This is one of the funniest 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.079 episodes of SVU and All History. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:33.880 I cannot wait. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.360 I mean, there's molestation of children, but it's pretty funny, 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.360 not the melestation part. You'll know what I'm talking about. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:45.400 We're doing Sick season five, episode nineteen. Let's get into it. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.280 It opens on two young women with like pop punk 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.800 blaring and one brunette and a blonde and the blonde 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.240 short hair one. She's pissed off. She I miss doing this. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:12:01.360 She like slams closed the flip phone and oh so sad. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:07.079 It is so satisfying. And they start talking about like 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.080 like we get that there. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:08.840 It's a dorm room. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.400 They are not really friends, they are put together, and 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.600 it's very Alphaba and Glinda, if you guys are Wicked fans. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.800 There's a one's a goth, one's a blonde, and they 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.640 are not really getting along. And the goth is always 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.079 online and the blonde needs some action. This is two 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.200 thousand and four and there's only one phone internet line, and. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.560 So she's like, you're always on it, stop it, blah 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:31.120 blah blah. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.400 So they're fighting, and the goth is in a chat 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.840 room called Slasher Fan chat room, and she says this 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.360 is life and death and you're like, shut up, bitch. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:42.600 But no. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.280 So there's a guy in the chat room and he's 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:45.840 saying that he has a five year old with him 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.360 and he's gonna kill her, and he calls like cops 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.640 pigs and he's gonna slit their throats. There's just like 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.760 a lot of threatening of murdering, and so they get 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.719 scared and call nine one one and. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.760 On the chat when you see the chat window, like 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.120 the font is in like scary, bloody like font. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.679 Yeah, this is somewhere that your husband would live. I 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.079 would say this was what your husband was doing in 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.640 oh for he was in these slasher movie things, right. 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.880 Yeah, four. I think he was moving to Chicago to 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:16.480 do comedy. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.040 But yes, this is definitely a place he might hang 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.440 out for sure, just to talk about the slashers, not 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.120 to like talk about killing kids. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:24.479 Yeah. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.319 I did not mean to imply, no, that he would 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.720 kill a child. But he does love horror movies. We 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:36.720 talked yesterday about some so whatever. So this is happening 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.720 in Denver. So we're in So someone at the Denver 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.840 Police starts taking notes. They're taking notes down They for 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.520 some reason think it's happening in Denver and then behind 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.760 the police there's a bunch of random trophies on a 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.920 file cabinet and it's like, were they bowling? I want 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.880 to know what all these cops did to win all 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.480 these little trophies. But he says, hey, this is not 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.679 in our jurisdiction at all. And this young, like uniformed, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.360 haughty cop is like, wait, where is he? What's going on? 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.480 And the old man says new York City? Where else? 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.480 So classic classic Everyone is so jealous of New York 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.520 they can't get enough of shitting on it. So then 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.880 we cut to New York City. Hello, A swat team 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.440 is spiraling up the stairs of an apartment building. Benson's 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.960 and Stabler are behind them bulletproof vest time. They're entering 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.800 an apartment, you know, but they do remind everyone there 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.280 is a kid in there. There's a kid in there. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.160 There's a five year old about to get murdered. We 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.040 have to be careful. They enter and they're like, don't move. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.560 But it's a family chilling. There's a young blonde girl 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.200 mom dad, and the dad has been in another SVU 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.760 episode called Users. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.000 I think I remember him more from this one. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.040 He is like a juicier part but you know, an 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:50.000 sview alum, double alum. And then we get a common 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.440 SVU moment where it's actually a child pretending to be 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.480 someone on the internet and. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:56.440 It is not a killer. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.120 There's not a five year old girl being held hostage 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.400 about to get her slow her throat slit. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.360 So that is very very good news. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.600 So Little JJ comes out and he looks like trouble 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:09.640 and he goes it was just a. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.440 Joke, and I'm on his side. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.480 Okay, those goths are dumb, Like, I don't know if 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.360 I do you think he would have called the cops. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.840 Well, apparently they just kept asking him over and over again, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:21.680 are you joking? 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.760 Are you joking? And he would an answer, So I 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.120 guess maybe I don't know. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.240 Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm not on his side. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.920 Please don't come for me. But I did write I'm 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.600 like I'm with him. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.760 This kid is so specific to me, like I always 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.560 remember him, his attitude, his little raspy voice, his face 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.640 like he kind of reminds me also of Dicky Stabler 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:43.600 in later episode. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.560 In other episodes, yeah, he also reminds me of the 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.840 little boy from the Elizabon, not from the Julie Bowen. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:54.840 Darlene from Roseanne episode. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.200 Yes, yes, the one who drives the car and that's 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.960 how they at the beginning. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.560 Yeah, because he's still van and it's just a joke. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.760 Yeah, all these kids are just pulling horrific pranks. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.000 Yeah, they all three of them are together. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.320 We should do a fuck Mary kill, but that would 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.720 be illegal because they're children. Okay, so we're at the credits. Guys, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.040 we're at the credits. There is you know, we get it. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.080 The kid is the thing. There's a family that's happening. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.960 We're back at the station with the dad and son. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.320 They're at the table with their detectives and the dad 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.800 is like, whatever, he's a kid. It's a prank. Relax. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.520 Stabler says, you can't just like say you want to 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.560 kill cops and rape women. Like that's not that's not 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.720 going to fly on the internet. Well it does now. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.680 Standards have changed. Now you can legit just send horrific 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.760 threats to Instagram and they'll be like, actually we're into this. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.080 Uh we see nothing wrong with this. Stabler says, you 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.920 had hardcore slasher movie fans freaked out, So this isn't 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.080 just a prank. You had like really you know, people 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.000 that love grotesque shit not into it. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.240 So your kid did something wrong. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.040 They asked you if you were joking, like Kara said, 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.080 He said no, they believed that you were serious and 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.200 the dad, oh, and so Stabler says, and honestly, reading 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.600 everything that you wrote, I believed you were serious too. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.000 And the dad says, then you're an idiot. The balls 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.680 on this family, the balls on this family. That's why 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.119 parents are so dangerous to the world. They can't admit 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:23.320 that their kids have a problem. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:24.159 Not me. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.600 I'll be the first one to turn Rosy in. I've 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.480 said it once and I'll say it again. I know 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.200 I'm always defending Rosie. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.240 Both of you were addicted to the case Sidia where 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.680 friend's kid had a birthday party and he's like, did 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.439 she have a kid? Kara walked in. The first thing 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:38.920 she said to me was do Rosie have some of 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:39.560 the casidia? 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.200 And I was just like no, but she had chips. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.080 No one cares and they're like uh oh, and Jared 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.200 kept be like, well no, Jared kept being like, don't 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.040 eat the chips. I'm like, chips in a casidia are 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.399 one hundred percent the same thing, but different textures. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.600 Like it doesn't nutrition wise. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.119 Yeah, it was funny. It was the first thing you 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:00.960 said when you walked in to the door of the party. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.600 I said hello, and you were just like, did she 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.480 eat the Casidia? 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:05.640 And the whole time I was there with. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.320 Your husband with JAREDY kept being like, eat the case, Sidia, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.080 just one bite of the case Sidia? Could you have 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.040 the case Cidia? You guys are like, we're always fighting 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.080 with her about eating you know how it is, No, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:17.280 she wanted chips. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.360 I try to give her an orange. She didn't want it. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.159 Listen, kids are cool, but parents just we'll see it 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.080 throughout this whole episode. I mean, they're gonna be evil, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.880 you guys. This is such a good episode, but it's 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.600 just this thing of like, why can't you just admit 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.480 that your little child might have gone too far in 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:32.040 the Internet. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.560 I would have made this easier too. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.080 But maybe he's doing the right thing and giving the 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.280 cops no information because you can't trust police. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:38.960 I don't really know. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.480 But it cuts to Benson and she's with the mom 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.280 still at the house as a bunch of people are 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.320 gathering evidence, and then the mom as well, is like 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.200 totally delusional. She says her son is very sensitive. Please 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.879 don't do this to us. Your son is a sick freak. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.560 And then the mom is also like, what about that 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.359 broken door? 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:57.119 What are you gonna do? 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.520 And Benson says, fill out a form in the NYPD 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:00.600 while imburse it. 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:02.399 L O l. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.880 SV is true a true comedy. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.119 Benson asks if he's ever heart his sister, and the 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.639 mom says never, while like still clearing the dinner table. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.320 People are just so committed to finishing errands on this show. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.639 I will never understand that mentality. Benson also says that 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.119 she needs to talk to the daughter alone, and the 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.080 mom doesn't want it. And I didn't know this before, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.159 but kid criminals can have an adult with them, but 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.680 kid victims need to be talked to alone, right so, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.959 And that makes sense because if the parents are involved 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.600 in any way, you don't want to add pressure to 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:37.119 the child. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.639 But I didn't remember that until Benson said that. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.160 The mom doesn't love that, but she says, yeah, fine, whatever, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.000 and Benson's being very stern. There's no niceness. She's very 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.600 pissed at these parents. Like usually there's some like a 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.480 game of sensitivity, but not this time. She's just like 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.040 pissed at these delusional, absent parents. So it cuts back 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.800 to Stabler with the boys, and he's quoting the things 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.159 the boy wrote about hurting a five year old, and 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.800 he's like, so is this about your sister? What other 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.600 five year olds do you know that pissed you off 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:12.520 that much? And the kid's facial acting is like really 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.120 really good, and he's stern as hell, and he says 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.520 that his sister cooked his favorite CD in her easy 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.000 bake oven, so maybe both the kids are psychopaths. 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:22.520 Like where is this? What's happening? 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.760 He then calls Stabler a moron, which I love. I 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.359 want to watch that on repeat over and over, like 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.119 I just I love it so much. Stabler's trying to 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.800 figure out what has made this kid so angry and violent, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:41.160 and he says life is very stressful. So then Stabler goes, oh, stress, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.679 Really you want to know about stress? I'll tell you 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.280 what stress is. And then he's started, which I don't 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.959 I don't think Stabler should. I don't know, but Stabler says, 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.560 did he arrested five men yesterday who gang raped a 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.200 woman and then defecated on her? 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.760 And it's like twenty three seasons of SVU. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:58.959 I don't think shit has ever been brought up, and 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.080 I don't understand why I had to be brought up 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:02.280 with a child, And I'm like. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.320 Yeah, that's so true. They've gone everywhere, and I don't 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.080 think I've ever seen heard a shit story. There's never 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:10.719 been a defication ever. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.840 Amy Smart's character got peed on, which was pretty traumatizing. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.080 That's one of the like more horrific episodes, and I 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.320 remember crying like that. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.280 One really always gets me and upsets me. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:24.440 But I, yeah, this is the only time someone has 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.800 pooped on someone. But maybe it's because they're talking about 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:30.119 it and it happens. We don't have that because they can't. Yeah, Like, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.000 I don't think we could handle someone on the stand 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:33.679 being like and then they defecated on me. 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.520 I know. Maybe I don't know. Maybe there's the standards 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.000 in practice thing and that goes too far. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.160 Who knows, Well, this is gonna be gross and maybe 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.359 our listeners will be pissed. But I was listening to 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.480 a podcast with Aiden Starr, who's a porn star Dominate Trix, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.240 and she was talking about her Dominate Trix stuff and 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.280 some people like, uh, you know, they like to be 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:54.600 shit on and puked on. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:56.040 But she said she. 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.680 Prefers when the people eat it because then the smell 0:21:58.760 --> 0:21:59.280 goes away. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.240 Oh god, because some of them eat it. 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.560 And you'd think that's worse to watch someone eat shit, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.080 but she goes, it's actually better for me because then 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:08.600 the room doesn't smell like they're shit. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:18.520 Okay, Finally, his face has never looked so sad. But listen, he's. 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.560 Gonna say defecating and I'm not gonna tell you about this, 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.600 but yeah, it was just interesting. You never know what 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.040 different professions really need or want from the world. 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.080 But she's like, please eat your own shit. It'll be 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:28.720 easier on me. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.159 So anyways, the dad is like, I don't know how 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.760 to bounce back from that. Okay, So the dad is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.840 He's a kid, And Stabler throws the papers of the 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.640 transcripts from the chat at him and goes, your look 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.840 what your son wrote Like he wants to talk like 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:43.520 a dirt bag. 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.320 I'm gonna treat him like a dirt bag. 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.239 It's an aggressive sea and Stabler is hot, and then 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.800 it cuts to a set Who's the Little Sister And 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.159 you know it's a pink room and it's my bedspread. 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.760 I have this bedspread in Skokie at my parents' house. 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.600 This yeah, it's from I Kia. 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.679 It's like pink and fun shades of pink flowers on 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.719 the outside and then like the other side of it 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:05.840 is a cool pink and green flannel and I loved 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.280 it and it was like my favorite sheets. So love 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.480 that my sheets were picked by the props department to 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:12.440 be in. 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.880 This Taste is Taste, you know, Taste is Taste. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.480 Benson is asking, you know if the brother hurts her, 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.479 and she says that he pulled her hair once and 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.680 she just wants to play. And the girl has lots 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.679 of dolls, like a closet of dolls. I've never seen 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:31.960 so many toys. I'm like, okay, so it's a full 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.600 family of freaks, Like what is happening in this household? 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.240 Benson asks her to show where he hurt her on 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.200 the dolls, and she pulls the doll's braids but nothing else, 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:43.520 and he doesn't and she says, he doesn't hurt me 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.640 anywhere else, So she asks who does he hurt and 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.679 then she goes Beverly and Erica he hurt them on 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.800 their crotch region, and so then Lisette starts pointing to 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.160 the dolls crotch and then Benson is like, oh god, 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.200 what this is scary. We have to talk to them. 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.840 Does your mom know where they are? Like what's going on? 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:01.879 And she goes they're in the hospital. And you're like, 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.399 what the fuck is going on? Like where are these girls? 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.399 What hospital? What is being hidden? What's happening in this house? 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.800 Good news everyone, it's a doll hospital. It's a doll hospital. 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.840 Sbu has pulled a giant prank on us. It's a 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.840 giant like lavender trunk from under the bed. I'm sure 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.680 it made Kara think about summer camp, and it's filled 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.320 with dozens and dozens of mangled, fucked up dolls like 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.120 the neighbor boy from Test story Toy Story Boy, Yes, yeah, 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.280 but recently it's like a wicked storyline where that boy 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.480 was just like smart in an inventor and he didn't 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.400 realize the toys were alive, like you know what I. 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:43.199 Mean, like, how dare you hurt these living things? He 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:43.679 didn't know. 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.320 He was just like trying to be a creative kid, 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:50.359 and everyone's like, you murdering psycho and yeah, he might. 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.119 Have not been a psychopath. He could just be a 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:57.440 cool inventor on Shark Tank. Now, but all the dolls 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.280 are mutilated and burned. Wait, have you read the thing 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.000 about toy Story where something happened in the files where 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.600 all of toy Story was deleted from everything, and then 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.160 one woman was on maternity leave and so she had 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.680 the one copy of toy Story. 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.680 Yes, yeah, and that I read about that a long 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.919 time ago. And then it's had like a resurfacing with 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:18.879 like a meme or something that was about it's I 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.200 think it's like on a lot of mom meme blogs 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.080 and shit, because it's like, yeah, when you're on maternity leave, 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:25.760 you're awesome and you have files backed up. 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:27.080 I don't really know what the point. 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.639 Is, like, yes, just like moms saved the day, or 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.440 maybe like a lot more people work home. Yeah yeah, 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.320 let yes, yes, but I read one this morning that 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.359 was a got like someone fired somebody and then deleted 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:45.439 like all her email account immediately without realizing that she 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:49.280 had the whole business's schedule in her account and the 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.800 company lost three years of their schedule. 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:55.800 Oh my god, But like, why is that system set 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:56.400 up like that? 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.320 That's that's fucked. Wait. Also, did you. 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.000 See the meme that's been going around where this this 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.119 person goes, I had a coworker who came back from 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.600 eternity leave and I watched them highlight hundreds of emails 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.919 in their inbox and then just delete them. And then 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:10.960 she goes, if they want to find me, they'll find me. 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.000 And the person goes, I think about that woman all 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:14.760 the time. 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:20.000 Love her. Yeah, it's truth. 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:26.000 Leave us alone, Leave us alone, stop emailing. No you 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:30.480 email us, email us, email us. But yeah, we will 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.439 read it eventually. Maybe we should. We should do a 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.000 trip and go to a Palm Springs or something and 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.040 rent a house and just answer everything. 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:46.600 Accounts and excuse to go to Palm Springs. Yeah, that's 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:50.320 basically so listen to this. 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.800 The dolls are mutilated, they're burned as fuck, band aids 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:55.560 on the crotch. 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:56.000 Uh. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.000 Craigan now is trying to reason with the father, like 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.560 your needs help and it's not normal. Your son is 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:08.359 not normal and he needs help and the dad does not, 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.040 and he's just like all boys fuck up their sister's 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:14.960 doll and it's like wake up. Craigan's like, no, there's 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:18.800 twenty three dolls. They're all mutilated in the crotch region. 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.320 He is an emotionally disturbed boy. And the dad goes, oh, 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.959 so you're a doctor now, I just I hate this 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:31.400 fucking dad so much. Craigan says no, but I don't like, 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.600 why don't we get him a psych evaluation, So like, 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.159 sign this form and the dad says no, and Craigan's like, 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.639 so would you rather have him have a criminal record? 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.080 And the dad goes for what? 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.360 And I don't know if he's playing dumb or if 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.919 he is dumb, and I don't understand why he sees 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.280 nothing wrong with what is happening in the world. But 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.359 Craigan says, we're gonna get him for terroristic threat messages, 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.679 and the dad goes on an impassion speech which I 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:59.120 don't fully disagree with, but he is pissed off that 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.160 will co op nine to eleven for their own agenda. 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.080 What do you Where are you gonna send him Guantanamo Bay? 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.320 So again we're like so in two thousand and four, 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.200 and Craigan goes, no, I prefer Bellevue. We can send 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.200 him to the kid Ward and get him a psychical 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:14.800 or I'm gonna send him to jail. 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:15.960 It's your fucking show. 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.880 And the dad goes, no, I don't want him branded crazy, 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:23.159 and it's like, well, too bad, your kid's crazy. Craigan says, fine, 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.439 but we're not letting him go home to his sister. 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.119 So it's you. It's like, we're not letting him go 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.239 home to the sister. It is a threat. And if 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.240 you're a threat to others or to yourself, you're not 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.679 leaving this fucking station. Whether you're a child or not. 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.840 Bellevue or Juvie your call, Sir, Craigan is not fucking around. 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.480 So after a tense moment, they cut to the bustling 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.720 in the precinct and you know, walking by, everyone's talking 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.560 and they I did not say this, but Munch walks 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.840 by and says I heard they ship JJ off to 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.360 the looney bin, and I like that. 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:55.600 I love the word. 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.320 Looney and it's a it's a thing of money in Canada, 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:04.640 mm hmmm, which I yeah, yeah, Looni's in Tunies cute. 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.920 So he's there now for a seventy two hour hold. 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.280 Finn walks in after talking to all the neighbors and 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.680 they hate this kid. He terrorizes all the children in 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.640 the neighborhood. He screams till he's red in the face. 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.959 He's locked kids in utility closets before, and then they 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.239 were crying in there for an hour before he let 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.160 them out. And then the dad sends everyone expensive gifts 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.560 to shut them up, and they're all like, fuck, we 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.479 got to get a handle on him. He's a ticking 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:32.960 time bomb. Finn says, well, let's call the school and 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.520 see what's up there. He reaches for the phone and 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.800 I noticed there was a magic eight ball on his desk. 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:39.840 And I love that Finn has a magic eight ball. 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.760 I wonder what he asks, Like it's decidedly so. Like, 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:52.240 so they head over to Faulkner Preparatory School on Madison Avenue. 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.000 And do you think it's named after William Faulkner, because 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.560 like that's a little adult probably. 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.200 I mean, it sounds like a lot of these prep 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:03.760 schools that are on Madison Avenue. 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.760 I used to babysit for a kid that went to like. 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.120 Fieldston, you know, like they all have these like just 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.600 sort of generic y kind of names of I. 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.480 Don't know, but I bet it's after Faulkner. 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.480 I just wanted our listeners to know I know who 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.200 he is, to be honest, I just wanted everyone to know. 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.320 I haven't read in a decade, but I do know 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:24.200 William Faulkner. 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:24.680 Okay. 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.080 So, and then we hear all of the signs and 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.320 it's like he has trouble paying attention in class, he 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.960 has poor grades, inappropriate behavior, he's drawing pornographic images in 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:40.360 someone's desk and passing around disturbing stories that he's writing, like, 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:41.840 these are all signs. 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:42.800 We know the signs. 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.160 And so the administrator has the story, hands it over 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.720 and says, I warned the parents that he needed help 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.080 and they disagreed. So these parents are on one they 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.080 might be scientologists, like why are they so against getting 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:59.120 this kid any sort of psychological help and preventing crimes 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.920 in the future. So the school is not allowing him 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.000 back next year, and they want to kick him out, 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.560 but it's so close to the end of the term, 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.400 so they're letting it slide. Munch asks if he's ever 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.200 heard a student, and the lady responds, we thought he did, 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.960 but the student denies it. He pushes to know more, 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.160 and she explains that there was a locker room fight 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.920 and the other boy Mitchell was fully bloody, but JJ 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.520 had nothing on him, which was really strange to her 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:27.560 because the school bully is Mitchell cut to pe class dodgeball. 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.760 They're in dodgeball. Munch, of course hated dodgeball. Finn loved it. Perfect, 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.560 perfect characterization. I would say, and I miss dodgeball. Should 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:37.000 we like do a dodgeball party? 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:37.680 Oh? 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:38.479 You miss it? 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.800 Having like a ball smacked at your body. Well, I'm 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:45.120 really good at catching ball. Yeah, so I would catch him. 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.240 I was someone that was like sliding and catching. I 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.640 was good at it. I was like the kid at 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.479 the end. I was the last man standing more than 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.320 one time in my life. 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:53.400 I don't think. 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:57.240 I think I have good eyehand coordination, like I can 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.000 catch balls, but I think like the way that guys 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.120 would just like whipping at you so fast. I was 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.440 like scale, like I would just be like, just hit me, 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:05.680 and I want to get out, Like I would let 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.280 myself get out so you can go to the side. 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:09.720 I was like, yeah, do you know I know exactly 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.480 why you wanted to sit on the sideline. 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.000 To fucking talk to people. Yeah, you sat on the 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:14.000 sideline gossiping. 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:15.440 You know it, bitch? 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.720 I love now I'm just picturing you in all the 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.800 pictures i've seen you tiny, like sliding on the floor 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.240 to get a toshball, and it's really making me giggle. No, 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.280 I tried hard and be I remember like I would 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.280 because I was never good that good at stuff, but 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.240 I still tried, and I really wanted to get under 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:35.360 eight minutes or at eight minutes for the mile. And 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.560 I do remember getting made fun of by the cool 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.000 kids that walked it and didn't give a shit because 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:41.560 I wasn't good at It's not like I was running 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:42.560 and people are like, look at her. Go. 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.440 I was struggling, red in the face, but trying so hard, 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:47.600 and for what to say. 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.400 I think my fastest smile ever was eight thirty. I 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.680 think that was that's good ever. And I was like 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.320 so proud of myself because I used to get like ten. 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:56.120 Yeah I was ten. 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.400 My goal was always to get like around eight minutes, 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.000 like I just wanted to have an eight minute mind. 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.440 And now you know, nothing matters and we might die 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.720 in a new war, but little Liza wanted to run 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.080 the fucking mile. Maybe it's my dad was an athlete. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.440 I don't know whatever, So Munch says, he was very skinny, 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.560 and people would he he'll break the pencil and he 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:16.720 was a walking bruise. 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.120 Baby munch, baby munch. 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.240 So they pinpoint Mitchell and he's large and in charge, 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.920 so we know it's him. He's he's gonna be beaten 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.640 down some kids. So Finn bounced it. This is like 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.360 wild to me. But Finn bounces the red ball on 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.640 this kid's head and grabs him by the back of 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.040 the neck to lead him away. 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.680 But yeah, I get that he was a bully, but 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.640 he was the victim. He got beat up, he was bloody. 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.400 He's just paying attention in gym class, like. 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.760 What he also, what is he saying? Goes boom, you're 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:49.920 out or something like that. 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.840 He says he's like sassy and like like, yeah, I 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:54.640 don't know if that. 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.880 You know, a rab by the back of the neck. 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.000 But that's what happens when kids look older, I guess. 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:04.440 But he hasn't done anything wrong yet. But also, wouldn't 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.080 you want to see to bounce a red ball on 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:06.480 your head? 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:07.200 I know I would. 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.440 So they're having a quiet interrogation moment on the stairs 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.640 and Mitchell's explaining what happened. So JJ's someone took JJ's 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.480 towel off in the showers just for something to do, 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.040 and in quote someone, I'm sure it was him and 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.799 he might have gotten snapped by some wet towels or two. 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.000 Oh you know, just good fun, the bully says, and 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:31.040 Munch goes, ah, Yes, getting pelted by Neanderthals in the 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:35.040 private sounds like a blast. I'm telling you, this episode 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:39.320 has so many little gems. JJ went postal, he says, 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:43.359 wailing on Mitchell. He had bruises, a bloody nose, busted lip, 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.520 and Fin's like, okay, but why didn't you fight back? 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.520 And he says I was freaked out. Munch asks why, 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:50.960 and this is what happened. The whole time that he 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:55.600 was beating the shit out of Mitchell, JJ was screaming rape. 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.719 So now you know, the men look at each other 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:03.160 like a cartoon like. So, now Benson's standing and lecturing 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.440 the rest of the squad like duh, how did we 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:10.720 miss this? Explosive rage, sexual acting, out sliding grades, behavior 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:14.560 and personality issues classic signs of being molested. And I 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.600 am disappointed in the squad that they didn't put it 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:17.480 together earlier. 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.759 And now it's like, well, who fucking molested him. 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.759 Maybe the family since they refused to get him any 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.480 help or or honest about anything. We find out he 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:31.040 has absolutely no friends, and the dad's running interference the 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.600 whole fucking interview, so obviously you know he's up to 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.560 no good. So they're gonna accuse the dad of molesting 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.399 this kid, and I don't think he's gonna take it well. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.719 Benson says, I have a feeling the mother knows about it. 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.080 She has major guilt issues, Like we have to get 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:47.800 to the bottom of this. Stabler kind of admits fault 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.200 for once in his life and says, maybe he was 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.120 too hard on the kid, and yes, you are wrong. 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.080 So now we send in B. D. Wong George Kwang, 0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.040 Hello baby. He enters the chat. He's at Bellevue and 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.319 he asks, JJ, how do you feel? And he has 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.360 a great answer, I'm in an insane asylum. How do 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.160 you think I feel? This kid's a genius. Ah, he's 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.480 so funny. He asks if he's angry at someone, and 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.759 he says his parents because they let him end up 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.520 there and they are lame and they don't care about him, 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.920 and bad Wong goes, well, have they let you down? Before, 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.799 and JJ says he can't say. He then gets up 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.360 and slides all the shit off the table, all the toys. 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.920 They're like a kid interrogation and he's like, I'm not 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:32.040 allowed to talk about it, and Huang goes, well why not? 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.799 And he says he can't talk about anything because there's 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.919 a deal and a contract in place and he can't 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.320 talk about it and the parents signed the contract, and 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.040 but Huang says, legally, there's not a contract that can 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:43.160 cover up a crime. 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.000 Is that true? Yeah? 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.239 Like is that like if there's there's I feel like 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.800 NDAs cover up crimes all the fucking time. 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.479 Yeah, So I'm like early because Huang does, like Bedi 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.000 Wong said that most of the stuff is I mean, 0:36:56.000 --> 0:37:00.240 it's real research. This is the Neil barriers. Yeah, so 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:01.120 but it's possible. 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.000 But I think, well, also, what he's probably trying to 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.160 say is like, you can't sign an NDA, so you 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.520 can tell me anything you want. Like, nothing you tell 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.400 me is like going against an NDA because you're you know, 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.440 you're not old enough to sign these things. 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.200 But if you're an adult and you set a lot 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:18.440 of core and sign something and then talk about it, 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.840 and a crime was like I want. I'm like very curious, 0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.839 So any lawyers, anyone that's in this realm, please hit 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.719 us up. Let us know what you know about NDAs 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.440 and children and contracts not being able to cover up 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.520 a crime. So then Huang is so good. He goes, 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:37.040 they are not protecting you, Why are you protecting them? 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.320 Tell us JJ, tell us what happens, and JJ says 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.560 he was at a sleepover with a bunch of kids. 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.560 A lot of kids were there, but he was the 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.799 only kid who got to sleep in the treasure room, 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.640 which is whose bedroom? Whose is it? Who's who's Who's 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:55.080 it's Billy? And Huang asks what did Billy do? And 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.080 he says, well, they were like pajamas laid out for JJ, 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.800 and Billy helped him undress. And then I'm like so sad, 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:04.920 and then Jaj starts crying, and all of a sudden, 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.000 you just feel so sad for this kid you thought 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.600 was just like a violent asshole. I mean I knew that, 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.160 I knew it the whole time I've seen this, but yeah, I'm. 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.040 Trying to put it does pull out your little heart strings. 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.759 It does because you're like what you are kind of 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.920 like what a little shit, even though he's funny, and 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.759 then this is like sad to see him kind of 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:23.799 break and. 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:24.520 It's usually life. 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.440 I mean, there are people that are just assholes, but 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.400 it's like most assholes are sad. 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:30.680 Maybe I don't know. 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.640 Yeah, you don't I cut that, Okay, No, I think 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:34.160 that's true. 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:35.799 Most assholes have something going on. 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.080 Yeah, to just be pure asshole with like, but you've 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:39.919 had a perfect life. 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.000 I don't know. That's kind of hard to find. Today. 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.680 I went to a block to get some cold brew, 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:47.239 and I think they could tell I was having a 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:48.960 rough day and she gave me a free cookie and 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:53.640 I was like, that's not a good sign. Like I 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.680 gotta put on a braw and brush my hair because 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.040 these people are giving. 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.960 Me I'm getting free shit. Yeah, album, Yeah, there's a problem. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.200 She's like, I think you need this, and I go, Okay, 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:04.960 they're not wrong. 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.760 You're not wrong. You're not wrong, honey. 0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.759 Huang says, I'm so sorry your parents made you keep 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.040 this secret for so long. 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:13.759 How is he? 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.280 I love Huang? I mean, what an angel on this planet? 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:19.880 But you know it's so good that you get it 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.400 out now. And he's crying and he says he touched me, 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.920 he made me touch him, and then he told his parents, 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.600 and then his parents got rich, So what is that? 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:32.000 So what happened? 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.520 So what we find out is Billy owns a company 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.000 that his dad used to work for, and he paid 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.440 them so much they never have to work again. And 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.400 then there was like a super super long break in 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.400 the Hulu. So I'm assuming this is like where a 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.279 commercial is. And I have to tell you, I was 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.680 watching this and writing in a cafe in DC and 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:56.120 this woman who was clearly mentally not one hundred percent, 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.000 but the restaurant knew her, everyone knew her, but she 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:03.640 was past. She brought in little chocolate carrot umbrellas and 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.919 was handing them out to people. And I was sitting 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.000 there being like, if this bitch does not give me 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:09.759 a little carrot umbrella, I will die. 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.640 And she did. She had. She came up. She goes, 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:13.280 I see that you're working really hard. 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.400 I have a present for you. And she gave me 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.960 a little carrot umbrella. So just no, while I'm watching this, 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.400 I'm watching this woman and she like out of her purse, 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.279 she brought a stuffed panda and put it on the 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.640 desk and was talking to the panda, and everyone kind 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.520 of knew her at the cafe, and so like I 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.680 was watching her with Yeah, so she was gifting everyone 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:35.640 little carrot umbrellas, talking to the stuffed animals, ordering a salad, 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.399 and you know, so that's what was happening as I'm 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.399 I was watching this little boy love. 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.480 This sounds like the beginning of an SVU too. 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:44.960 Yeah, and she gives a carrot to like a kid 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.840 who's like traumatized and they collapse, you know, like. 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:50.520 Yeah, or she's the only witness, but she's not a 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.120 credible enough witness because she talks to a panda. 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.480 Yeah, They're like, did anybody else see the crime? 0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:00.480 She's like, only my little panda. Yeah. 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.279 And then the other there was like a lot of 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.000 older women sitting alone at this cafe, and then like 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.920 they all had a competition with her. Like it was 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.480 just a really fun dynamic and I was lucky to 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.600 be there. So we're back from the commercial break and 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.760 my break of talking about carrots, and so the commercial 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.720 break comes back to a photo of the dad taped 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.480 onto the workboard at the precinct and Stabler is chatting. 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.200 We find out Billy's last name is Tripley and his 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.520 toy company, Tripley Toys, did one point seven billion dollars 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.320 in sales last year, so this is like obviously a 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.600 very successful company. Billy's full name is William Tripley. He's 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:39.440 thirty five, never married, clean slate. He's inherited the company 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.000 from Daddy, and he doesn't do any of the work, 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.000 but he takes in most of the profits. And Jeremy 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.799 the dad, got two million dollars when he left, but 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.880 he was only middle management, so it's not like he 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:51.839 was a CEO and got a severance or a big 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:53.200 like peace out package. 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:54.280 He was middle management. 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.880 Then he got another million dollars the next year and 0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.600 another million this year, so he's getting lots of millions. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.360 And this Billy guy gives tens of millions of dollars 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.920 to mostly children's charities, so he has deep, deep pockets 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:16.920 for kids. So there's just in my notes, it's literally 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.520 like in Lisa's notes, there's just a timeline of what's 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.280 going on with the carrot Panda lady. 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.520 It's like, Okay, I got a carrot. 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:34.160 Oh, but the lady was like, I love your hair 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.080 and outfit, but I was going to the airport, So 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.040 there's no way. I was wearing my ice I was 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.200 wearing my iced tea sweatshirt in a high bun. 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.480 Like, there's no way. She was like, Wow, you dress amazing. 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.320 I'm like this iced tea sweatshirt and sweatpants. 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.319 Cool. Wait, I'm sorry. I know we have a lot 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:49.920 more to get going, but I have questions. 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.960 Where does the chocolate factor into the carrot umbrella? 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.160 Theroud? So I think it's an Easter candy. 0:42:56.320 --> 0:43:00.279 So it's like, there's chocolate, and then it's like the 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.840 wrapping is an orange carrot, and then the top is 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.520 a green little hook, so it looks like a carrot umbrella. 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:09.319 But okay, hazel not chocolate, Okay, okay. I was like, 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.640 it's chocolate. Carrot is dipped in chocolate. I was kidding, 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:14.600 well because the first time I saw it and heard it, 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.400 because I knew I wanted to pay attention. She went 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:18.919 up to a woman next to me and goes, guess what, 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.160 I have an umbrella for you, and the. 0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:22.280 Woman looked confused. 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.560 I looked confused because you know, umbrellas are bigger. And 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.759 then she took out the little carrot umbrella and I 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:29.200 was like, I see what you're doing here? 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:35.000 I cannot. I know, I have to work out in 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.520 the world more often. It was like you see funny people. 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:39.839 It's like New York. 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:41.879 We don't see as much crazy in LA because we're 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:43.319 not out in the world as much. 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:43.640 Well. 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.960 Also, this neighborhood is so insular that like if we 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.440 just see the same at eight like a thousand people 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.759 over and over again, like there's just we're always at 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.879 the same place as in this neighborhood. So Benson says, 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:58.680 there's got to be more victims out there. I mean, 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.640 this rich motherfucker like, there's more out there. So how 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.439 do we weed them out? How wou do we find people? 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:05.799 And Stabler goes, no, let's pick them up right fucking now, 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.120 and Craigan says, in a twist of events, Craigan goes, 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:11.560 good idea, I'll get novakker warrant right away. 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:12.680 Let's let's fucking go. 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:14.840 So he doesn't have any time to hide anything, and 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:16.560 they go to visit him at his home at for 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.520 Sutton Place, Stabler is standing next to a little boy 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:24.240 mannequin wearing a German yodl outfit, and Stabler says, leader 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:30.480 Hosen guilty, who wrote, that's the funniest line in the 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:33.440 show history. I like, cannot I want to get that 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:36.160 might be my tattoo because I really want to get eventually, 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.799 like a heart tattoo traditional with something has to be 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:39.160 in it. 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.279 And I was gonna do done, done, but I might 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:42.480 get Leader Hosen. 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.640 Guilty and have to explain this full episode to everybody. 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:47.480 Yeah. 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:49.959 I also feel like Leader Hosen has way too many 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.879 spelling errors hidden in there, like you can't trust someone 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:59.240 to spell leader Hosen forever. And this house is soda fountains, arcade, games, toys, 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.160 but he doesn't have kid, so and then Finn brings 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.239 up a good point. He goes, well, he does make 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.840 toys at his job, like he could just be working, 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.560 like these could be toys and testing toys. He owns 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:13.160 a toy company. So then Finn goes animal alert and 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.920 I started laughing so loudly, and a Lemur arrives, like, 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.680 because we're we it's always about Kimba, Kimba and the 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.440 dog and this I mean the dog, it's a gibbon, 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.560 but to see a lemur, and so the lemur starts 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.560 running around and scaring Munch and it's like and then 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.359 a lady in a classic made outfit is running up 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:37.879 and goes, oh, that's the lemur. Don't scare it. I 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:43.080 just love animal. I just so fun. And they're like geeesh, 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.000 I wonder what he's doing with this endangered animal. And 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.280 the maid goes, how dare you don't talk shit about 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:50.040 mister Ripley. 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.600 He is a saint and Stabler. 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:54.799 Is like, well, has there any ever been anything kind 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.719 of questionable? And she says no, and there are ten 0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.759 servants on staff and you can ask them and then servants. Yes, 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.000 that's my next note. She called herself a servant, which 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.759 doesn't happen. It's very Ramona Real Housewives of New York like, yeah, 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.080 it's housekeeper lady. Like, I've never heard someone call themselves a. 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:16.480 Servant, right, so ya like something yeah, yeah, I know. 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.600 She said all these servants so Staybler says, well, we've 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.439 heard about a secret treasure room and she says that's 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.960 no secret. That's every child's favorite place. And they enter 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:30.120 straight up a pirate fantasy and Munch says, pervert ahoy, 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:31.360 I mean. 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.360 It is really like, do we know who wrote it? 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.600 This episode's too good, the writing. 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:39.240 It's so funny. 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:45.680 And so it's a pedophilic pirate motif. Then Finn says, 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.239 what do you gotta do to get booty from his 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:52.480 treasure chest? And it's just like JJ described where he 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.239 was molested three years ago, and there's a like a 0:46:55.320 --> 0:47:00.000 whole closet folled with themed pajamas and Finn says, back 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.400 them up and hopefully there's some dirty laundry in the 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:06.400 dirty laundry. I like sayings after sayings after sayings, but 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:08.320 this one's more sad. It means, you know, seemen on 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.880 children's pajamas. We don't love that. So tons of press 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.680 is going wild. As Stabler's walking and arrested Billy out 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.399 of the Triple E toy business. We hear a lawyer say, 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.880 don't worry, Billy, we'll get you out in a few hours. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.479 It's Chauncey zir Go, Hello, bro, and he's just talking 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.319 about how people are trying to cash out, and then 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.400 he helps kids and this is outrageous allegations and lines 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.720 and he's gonna sue people for slander. And Stabler says, 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.680 you're not threatening witnesses live on camera, are you? And 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.240 he's like, you're not trying to trample my First Amendment rights? 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:41.359 Are you We're an interrogation. Billy tells Chauncey tell them 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.560 I would never hurt a child, and Saylor's like, yeah, 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.600 I could hear you. I'm right here. I did spill 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.560 hear wrong, Kara, I see it, and I'm sorry. They 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.719 do a backup. Well, I'm humiliated. I don't want you 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:56.080 to think I'm like ignorant. They do a back and 0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:58.880 forth and he goes, I didn't do anything wrong, and 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.600 then it's like, yes you did, No I did, and 0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.080 blah blah blah. It's an interrogation. We know how it goes. 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.240 And they're like, you've spent like four million dollars giving 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:08.840 this guy money, Like what are you even doing? He 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:12.719 says that money wasn't about molestation, it's about business. So 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.840 the detectives asked to see the paperwork and Shauncey says 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.360 they can't show them, but it was a toy patent 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.000 situation and that they bought a toy patent. 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:21.280 From the father. 0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:23.759 Stabler says, it's a bunch of crap, but it is 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.000 a pretty good lie, and it's like that you know 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.000 it checks out in theory, Yeah, like why you would 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.839 get a lump some yeah. Yeah, like everything that's the thing, 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.040 Like everything kind of makes sense, like, yeah, that's why 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.279 you have toys in the house. You're a toy factory guy. 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.319 Oh you could have paid him for a patent. That 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.880 makes sense, Like you know, this guy does have a 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:45.000 defense building that is not super out of like the 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:48.600 realm of possibility. Benson says, you're telling me a nine 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.279 year old boy didn't sleep over at your place, and 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.800 he goes, kids sleep over at my house all the time. 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.120 And then Stabler goes, okay, and how often do you 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:57.120 sleep in the same bed? 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.919 And he admits it. He's like says the quiet part loud. 0:48:59.920 --> 0:49:03.160 He goes all the time and smiles, and his lips 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:05.399 have a shet on them that make me really uncomfortable. 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:07.320 It's like a really shiny lip. 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.480 And he has spiky, weird hair, very thick eyebrows, and 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:13.759 it seems like they put powder on his face to 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:15.279 make a Michael Jackson vibe. 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:18.800 I feel, yes, sure, yeah right, his skin is white, 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:22.520 it's undeniable. Yeah, And he goes, yeah, what's wrong with that? 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:25.920 And Benson's sternly must remind him like you're a thirty 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.680 five year old man, and he says, I would kill 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.000 myself before I would do anything to hurt a child, 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.439 and Sailor is a very correct rebuttle, and he says, 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.560 pedophiles never think they're hurting children. You're just loving them, right, 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.560 And he goes, yes, but not in the sick way 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:43.480 you're saying. And he says, there's nothing more natural or 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.640 beautiful than loving a child, and Chauncey goes, okay, okay, okay, 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.080 I think we're doing here. I think we're not. We're 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.680 done talking, and they say, not so fast. We're booking Billy, 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.799 and we're going to trial, and Sailor says, and if 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.000 you really actually care about kids, you'll settle out of 0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:02.120 court so they don't have to like testify, and done done. 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:03.800 We're at the judge's office. 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:07.160 And the judge is played by Philip Bosco. This is 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.960 Judge Joseph Peter Hun. He died in twenty eighteen at 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.480 eighty eight years old. A nice, luscious life and he's 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:17.359 been in six episodes of SVU. Novak and Chauncey are 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.680 chasing the judge around the office and you know it's 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.719 basically they're like arguing about the case they're doing their job. 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:26.600 We have enough evidence. No, you don't. 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.760 JJ's crazy. He's crazy because he got molested. What's happening, 0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:30.080 is there? 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:30.600 No? 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:32.480 And then the judge says, we are going to trial. 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:34.520 There will be a jury, and that is what's happening. 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:38.400 But then Chauncey, you know, isn't done and he thinks 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:42.279 that Huang did the interview. Is it's wrong because he 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.279 didn't say he was in the FBI, but he was 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.400 just asked acting as a doctor. You don't have to 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.439 say he's FBI. And the judge goes, I'll look into 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.800 this and I'll get back to you. And Novak also 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.640 has something, and she goes, I can write up a 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:59.280 motion too, and she says that the defendant made bail 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.759 and is still entertaining children at his home and that's 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.799 fucked up. And the judge does look horrified and is 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.520 like like, stop, get the kids. 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:09.000 Out of the predator's house. Yeah. 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.080 The defense attorney chance, I love, saying Chauncey. So then 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:16.280 Chauncey says, well, these were pre organized and planned charity 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:18.640 events and I don't think that sick kids should have 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.360 to suffer for bad behavior of one. And the judge 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:25.200 is like, okay, but that's it and let's side on 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.880 the air of caution and no more entertaining children. 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.200 He is being charged for molesting children, like. 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:38.440 Seems fair, seems fair and you know, supervised only please. 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.560 So we are now at a giant, giant kids party. 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.440 There's another animal. There's a baby lamb. I know it's reductive. 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:46.720 A lamb is a baby sheep, but it's a baby 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:53.960 lamb redundant? What did I say reductive? So there's lots 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.279 of presents and balloons and Stabler events and crash the 0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:04.480 pedophile gathering. Billy is wearing a like why did they 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:05.920 make this episode so funny? 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.440 I don't think that has happened has made Billy rethink 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.640 anything about his life. She is doubling down. He is 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:14.280 in a pirate hat and he is like, our ladies 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:15.799 get into the treasure room. 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:21.400 So basically, some neighbors called in because they were disturbed, 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:23.880 as they should be with the child molester having a 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:27.160 child's party there, and Stabler says, what are we celebrating 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:32.360 they lower the age of consent? I mean, that's so funny, 0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:36.080 and he turns it on them and goes, that's not funny. 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.080 And the detectives turn around to leave and there's not 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.399 really much of a fight and there's nothing anybody can do, 0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.240 so they went down just to burn him a little. 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.880 So they just came to asault him and leave, maybe 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:49.520 grab some candy on the way out. But on the 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.360 way out, an older woman stops them and she says, 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.920 you have to be wrong about him, you're wrong about him, 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.719 And Stabler says, what, he donated a ton of money 0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:59.920 to you, and she says, no, I just met him. 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.600 I wrote him a letter thanking him, and he invited 0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:04.600 us here with my granddaughter, April. 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:05.480 And we meet April. 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:08.000 She's a really sick kid, dark circles under the eyes, 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:09.520 a big bandan on her head. 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.680 You know, it sucks. Her life is sad. 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.040 She is sick and it's the best day of her 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:17.600 whole life being at this like amazing party. So munches 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.080 back at the squadroom, like what kind of parents would 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:23.520 let their kids around such a sick freak, And Finn 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:25.160 goes it seems like they don't give a shit if 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.239 they're getting a handout, or maybe some are naive and 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.879 they are blinded, But what's going on? And no Vak 0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:32.960 runs in with a VHS in her hands, so you 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.040 know something's good. And it's baby JJ and he's in 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.080 front of a bunch of lost style books and there's 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:39.920 an adult hand in the frame but we don't know 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:42.880 who it is. And JJ is recanting the whole story. 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.360 He says it was a lie, he was never touched, 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:48.560 he was kind, and he's so sorry about all the lies. 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:51.719 And then suddenly there's like a bang bang bang bang, 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.240 and Stabler and Benson are trying to get into JJ's 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.399 family's house and they're like, where is he? What the fuck? 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.280 Like we got to get him. And the mom opens 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.080 the door, like what do you want now? And Benson goes, 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.320 what did they do? Did they threaten you for breaking 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:07.000 the non disclosure? You have to pay back the money, 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.160 Like what are you doing? And the mom goes, lower 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:10.680 your voice, people might hear you. 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:13.319 And that's the mom's vibe the first time too. That's 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:15.440 why she wants the door fixed so quickly. Is she's like, 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:17.880 this has to be done by tonight. The neighbors will see. 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:19.880 Like she's very concerned about appearances. 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:20.279 This mom. 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:23.040 They're definitely trying to set that up. I feel like, yeah, 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:27.080 waspy wasp vibes. I didn't connect that with the door. 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:28.320 That's really good because. 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.400 She just keeps saying people are gonna hear you. Yeah. 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.040 The dad comes to the door angry as Hall and goes, 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.439 he's not here, He's at a place you will never 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:40.160 find him and slams the door in their faces. Then 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.640 there's a classic walk and talk with my favorite characters, Benson, 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:47.600 Stable or Novak. They're talking business. There's no clues, like 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.840 what are we gonna do at trial? Like what happens now? 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.160 Like dismiss the case? And this pedophile runs free, like 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.480 they really need a new plan. Well, basically they tell Novac, 0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:59.239 you better find a way to do this without JJ, 0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:01.920 or we got to get JJ. But Novak gives a 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:04.600 determined face and they really want to like put this 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.759 guy away. We open on Novak in a fancy restaurant 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:13.799 with Marlow Thomas aka Judge Mary Clark. Marlow says, without 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.440 a complaining witness, you can't quote a core and Novak 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:19.520 does know that, but there's witness tamper ring, but you 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:20.360 can't prove. 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:21.719 It yet, Like what are we gonna do? 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:25.000 And you have to prove that he recanted under duress 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:28.120 can you do that? And then Novak drops a bomb 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.319 and it's like, why didn't you mention this sooner? But 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:35.359 Huang said that JJ can identify a birthmark on Billy's penis, 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.480 but she says it way too loud, and then everyone 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:41.360 around at the restaurant stares at them, and then Marlow 0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:45.080 Thomas has to go, oh, she doesn't get out much, 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:46.000 which is true. 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:49.000 We've seen them out of paperwork. She gets more corky, 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.880 more comedy. She doesn't get out much. 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.000 But yeah, and I've done this because we forget especially 0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.399 as coll like this has happened to me where people 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:00.360 are like, please stop screaming, cunt out. 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:00.920 At this restaurant. 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.240 I just looked at my phone and it's eleven eleven. 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:07.680 Holy shit, everyone make a wish our intuitions on fire? 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.560 Okay, so did I not tell you up top? 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:14.400 How funny this episode is even though it's about child molestation, 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:18.520 Like they just cram the comedy. But yeah, Novak's got 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:19.960 a lot of paperwork in softball. 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.360 She doesn't have time to party. 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:26.759 Novak is so passionate and pissed though, and is like, 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.880 if any jury heard the boys statement, Billy would be guilty. 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.440 But it's not the case, Casey. Stop, you're wasting all 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.799 of our time, like we need more. Marlowe brings up 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:36.800 the eighth Amendment, like, you know you have to confront 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:38.920 you get you have a right to confront your accuser, 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.520 which I don't really love that. It's just like it 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.000 was probably written by criminals, aka the people that started 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:49.399 our country, because like to force a victim to have 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.600 to confront the person that like did terrible things to them, 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:56.120 that's only for the criminal. Why aren't we protecting the 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:59.280 victims as much? Yeah, all the amendments are to protect 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:02.839 bad people. Pleading the fifth it's like or the ones 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:04.200 where if you're married you don't have to tell on 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:07.280 your spouse. Like everything is protecting bad people. It's strange. 0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.839 I never kind of put that together. Casey is like, well, 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.320 we can't just let rich people get out of justice 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:17.720 with fancy da agreements and Marlgo's bingo. Actually, baby girl, 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.640 that's the key in the NDA, Like the parents did 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.000 they use his name? If the boy's name is in it, 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:26.960 that can give you a clue to get this guy. Legally, 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:30.120 a minor cannot be in a binding contract. But also 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.040 the guardians have to be acting in his best interests 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:35.880 and if they weren't, then you know, that's not good. 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.440 And this is a very legally blonde moment. I think like, well, 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:41.600 why this sperm, why this you know, it's a lot 0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:46.440 of cool stuff. So then mar Lo goes, we need 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:49.760 to get JJ his own lawyer that's not also working 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.800 with the parents, and she goes, I know just the person. 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:54.320 And it's like, oh, who's it gonna be. 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:59.240 And so then we're at corps and Peter herman Ak 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.800 Trevor langham aka mister Hargatea, he is representing the father 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.120 and JJ or whatever, and Novaka is fighting it, going 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:08.640 we need to get another person, and the judge actually agrees, 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.360 and the judge goes, okay, well, who who's going to 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:14.880 represent JJ? And Marlo Thomas is in the courtroom and 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.240 gets up and goes, I'll do it, and so she 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.520 volunteers for the job. And she bounces up and she 0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:21.840 looks rich as fuck and the judge in her are 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:22.640 good friends. 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:24.440 Oh my god, he says Mary. 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.680 And Peter is threatened, like excuse me, what is happening, 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:32.320 but he is honored and she reps the sun and 0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:35.680 she walks up to the dad and introduces herself and says, 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.000 I'm JJ's lawyer and I'm gonna need that document, thank you. 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.360 And Peter knows what they're up to, you know, all 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.080 these shady as fucking people. But he's not happy, and 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.640 we get a drinking game. If you're drinking right now. 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:49.880 He is so lucky, and he gets to say, fishing expedition, 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:54.320 So take a shot. Take a shot, honey, I mean 0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:57.800 I want to take a shot, okay, marlow because you know, 0:58:57.840 --> 0:58:59.160 there's forty five minutes left. 0:58:59.000 --> 0:58:59.680 Of this episode. 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:04.960 And so then Marlowe like goes at the dad and 0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:06.440 he's like, we want to talk to the kid, like 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.200 we need the kid, and the dad goes, no, the 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.240 kid doesn't trust or like you, and he actually brings 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.120 up a good point. He goes, all of you guys, 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:15.360 all your ada's and all of you. You broke our doors, 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.400 you arrested him, you threw him in the nuthouse, and 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.120 then he told you what you wanted to hear. That 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:23.120 confession isn't working, like you guys did all of this 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.080 fucked up shit to get this confession. 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.360 And that is a good point. That's what I mean. 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:31.200 The defense has like the Bad Team has really good 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:35.040 points and moves and stuff where, yeah, like he didn't 0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:36.760 want to be he wanted to get out of the nuthouse. 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:37.920 He'll tell you anything you want to hear. 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:38.920 Okay. 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:40.720 But also in this scene, do you see that the 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.960 dad looks like mister Incredible from The Incredibles. I didn't, 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:47.960 but now I could suck, yes, a large jaw, like 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.640 this man is mister Incredible, but not in a good way. 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:56.960 You love him And the dad goes and you're never 0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.320 gonna find him. He's hidden, he's safe and you will 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.640 never get to him. And Marlow pushes him and goes, well, 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:04.440 if he recanted on his own volition and he only 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.080 said that nothing happened because we pressured him and he 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:08.840 felt threatened by all of us, then why are you 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:12.000 hiding him? And he denies hiding him and goes, he 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.000 just needed to get away and it's just it's just 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:17.520 sad and it's annoying and it's all jumbled up. And 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:19.960 the judge says, get the boy and I will talk 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:21.840 to him alone, and that's how I'll make a decision 1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:25.000 about everything, and the dad says no, and Marlow's like, 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.360 do you want to go to jail or what. And 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.040 so then it's Marlow, Novak and Maloney and they're scheming 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:32.360 of what to do next, and they put the dad 1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:35.720 in jail. You know, he says he's doing it to 1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:37.840 protect his son, but they know they're doing it to 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:40.160 protect the money. And if he was protecting his son, 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.479 we wouldn't be in this mess. And so the dad 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.520 goes to fucking jail and Marlow says, I'm going to 1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:48.520 keep him in jail until the boy is twenty one, 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.880 so basically like until he materializes the boy he has 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:56.640 to sit in jail. And I guess he's a kid 1:00:56.720 --> 1:01:01.439 until twenty one in the state of courts. So Stabler goes, oh, 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:03.840 that's why they call you a hanging judge to Marlowe 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:10.000 and she goes, wait, who says that? And Novak says, 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.440 fuck the dad and let's find him ourselves. 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.720 And Stable goes, Okay, we're trying. 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.160 We can't a Marlow says, well, I work at a fancy 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:18.200 law firm and I'll. 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:20.240 Get you guys pis. We have pis on retainer. 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:22.880 But I think that's kind of insulting to tell detectives, right, 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:25.520 I don't know. I think it's kind of like we 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:29.000 just have like someone that can be dedicated to this. Ostensibly, 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:30.840 we have to believe that Stable and Benson are working 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:34.360 on seventeen other cases at the same time, like in reality, 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:35.920 you know, so I think she's just like we can 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:37.600 give you guys that this will just be what they're 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:41.040 working on. So yeah, so we have Pi's now looking 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:44.360 for JJ, and Munch walks in with the paper and 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:47.560 the PR machine of Billy Tripley is spinning it like 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:52.000 JJ is crazy and you know, big bucks equals PR 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:55.200 equals spin, so nobody can find him, and now everyone 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:57.480 thinks he's nuts and this guy just has so much 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:00.680 fucking money. A nondescript white man with gray hair and 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:03.479 no features that are unique and special in any way 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:05.720 at all, like I don't even remember what he looks like, 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:08.280 walks up to Benson and says, I was told to 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.880 find you. And they talk a little bit, and he 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:14.560 says that he runs a program for terminal patients and 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:16.640 you know, he gets them ready for death, and he's 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:18.840 a therapist and he was counseling a nine year old 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.920 girl with leukemia and he thinks that she was molested 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:24.320 by Billy tripley. So now we rush over to the 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.960 apartment of Nora Hodges and it's the mom from earlier. 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:30.960 If you guys remember when Benson and Saylor went to 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:34.920 bully Billy at a party, there was an old woman 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:37.560 who was calling him a saint with her sick daughter, 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.600 and so that's all right too, yeah, granddaughter, thank you 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:43.000 so much, and she's drama, drama, drama. 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.120 She's like, of course, like, oh my god, it's all 1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:45.600 my fault. 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.600 I'm so stupid, and Standlor is like, yeah, I mean, 1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:51.800 it is your fault, left if you left your kid 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:55.280 alone with this man, and she's we find out she's 1:02:55.320 --> 1:02:57.720 seen Billy twice since they bumped into each other at 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:01.760 that party and were April's pair rance the father was 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:04.040 never in the picture, and then you know, unfortunately the 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.680 mom got mixed up in drugs and alcohol and abandoned 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.360 April when she was born. So it's just grandma and 1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:12.200 granddaughter and she's at chemo during the day, so now 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:17.840 she's sleeping, and now Norah's at the precincts with April 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:21.080 and Olivia and everyone's there, and Olivia gives her a 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:22.760 jukes box, but she's like, I. 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:25.120 Don't know if I'll be able to keep the juice down. 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:28.560 And it's really sad that she can't even but she 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:29.520 needs to hydrate. 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:30.400 So the grandma's like. 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.640 Well, you have to hydrate a little, even though you 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:34.720 might puke it all up. And it's just sad, and 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:38.440 her bandana is giant over her tiny, tiny, little bald head. 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.680 She starts explaining what happened. She says, there were tons 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:44.120 of kids there and they played games and it was fun, 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:47.240 and and the grandma interrupts and says, she got over. 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:50.080 Excited and she had to nap, and then what did 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:50.480 he say? 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:52.760 And she's coaching her a little bit, but since she 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:54.960 was tired, she said, you know, I would love to 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:57.640 take a nap, and other kids nap there, and everyone 1:03:57.680 --> 1:04:00.760 was napping, so he took her to the basal room, 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:04.560 the treasure room to nap, and she picked out a press. 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:07.920 Everything happened whatever, a molestation went down and she was 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:11.400 abused and it sucks and it's sad. So Craigan and 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.120 Novak and Huang are spying through all of this, and 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:16.760 then before we see that, like the little girl's nose 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:19.840 starts bleeding. So she's like talking about being molested. She 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:23.920 gets so sad. The grandma's yelling because she's annoying, like, also, 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:26.880 your granddaughter just got molested, and then the nose is 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:30.200 bleeding and just all around a really sad situation. And 1:04:30.240 --> 1:04:33.000 it gets worse when when Huang says that kids with 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:36.320 disabilities are twice as likely to be abused and more 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.920 because they're more likely to comply and less likely to report. 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:42.840 Like that makes sense, but just a fact I didn't 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:44.320 need to hear, just so sad. 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:46.400 Yeah, And Novak's like, well that makes sense. 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.840 Billy is surrounded by sick kids all the time, like 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:52.040 we need to fucking get this guy. But then they 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:54.880 have to discuss pedophiles. They're into boys and girls, and 1:04:55.000 --> 1:04:58.360 Huang sent shivers down my spine saying, well, at that age, 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:00.760 it's more about the hairlessness. 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:02.760 Kill me. 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:07.160 Yeah, in the innocence and they talk about like, you know, 1:05:07.160 --> 1:05:09.400 he has a Peter Pan vibe. Did you hear about 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:11.280 the new Peter Pan theory that I saw I read 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:14.840 on the internet Someone said, what if Captain Hook was 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:17.480 actually a good guy because he only went after Peter Pan, 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:19.959 none of the kids ever, and maybe he was trying 1:05:20.000 --> 1:05:22.120 to stop Peter Pan from kidnapping children. 1:05:26.280 --> 1:05:27.920 He was trying to stop him from having all the 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:33.280 lost boys. Yeah, well I don't know, just just a thought. 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:37.920 So Captain Hook is Stabler and Peter Pan is a 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:39.160 child molester. 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:43.880 So now we jumped to Melinda finally, baby, we missed you, 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:47.600 and she's with Billy and she's being so mean to 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:50.080 him and I love it. She's plucking hair out of 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:52.720 his head from DNA and she needs tons of it 1:05:52.760 --> 1:05:59.280 with the rude and he's screaming police abuse and and 1:05:59.320 --> 1:06:03.320 that this there's another funny moment where Stabler goes, oh, 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.920 if it was police abuse, trust me, you would feel it. 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:09.080 And Billy goes, has that a threat? Melinda? Did you 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:14.000 hear that he threatened me? And Melinda goes, nope, now 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:14.840 open your mouth. 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:15.280 Why? 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:18.280 So she looks stunning in a half up, half down 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:21.840 situation with her hair, and Maloney's trying to rile Billy up, 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:23.960 and they have like this back and forth about the 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:26.360 treasure room and he goes, I haven't even been back 1:06:26.400 --> 1:06:28.680 into the treasure room since you ruined it for me. 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:32.120 And Melinda has no time for anything. She has dead 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:34.920 bodies to go examine. She goes, drop your pants I 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:37.160 need a pubic hair sample, and I'm gonna need ten 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:40.080 of those, and so now she has to do that, 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:43.840 but he has no pubic hair, and they're like, I 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.680 guess we have to wait till it grows back, and 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:50.200 he lasered it off, and so he takes off his 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:53.600 pants and there's absolutely no pubic hair, and now they're 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:56.640 just taking photos of his, you know, hairless dick. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:57.560 Yikes. 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:01.240 Now Benson is looking at the picks at the squadroom 1:07:01.280 --> 1:07:04.520 with Maloney and says, Wow, it keeps getting freakier and freakier, 1:07:04.920 --> 1:07:08.120 and I love the way she says freaky. They got 1:07:08.120 --> 1:07:10.320 some info that JJ might be in Maine, so they're 1:07:10.360 --> 1:07:13.800 working on that. But also, April, the sick girl, never 1:07:13.920 --> 1:07:18.520 mentioned the birthmark on Billy's dick, so they're like oh, 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:20.760 and Benson says it's because the girl had her eyes 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:23.480 closed the whole time. So the Novak comes in with 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:28.720 a giant bombshell that Tripoli's legal team hired a PI 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:33.080 to follow April and Nora and caught Norah stealing on 1:07:33.160 --> 1:07:36.920 a security camera. So now will the newspapers say shoplifting Granny? 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:40.200 And now Granny is an interrogation. But it's only two 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:42.520 hundred dollars worth of clothes, so like, who cares? 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:44.800 I don't know. I don't get it. 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:47.360 It's like they're going too hard on clothing theft. 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:49.480 You like, yeah, clothing theft doesn't matter. 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:53.240 You would not be sitting in interrogation for a clothing theft, right, 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:55.800 But she goes, listen, I need to get April closed. 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:58.280 We don't have we don't have any money. And if 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:00.240 Tripley was innocent, why would you go through all these 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:03.880 lengths and why are you Like they can't like the 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:06.520 Grandma's sad. She doesn't want, you know, her mistakes to 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:09.200 punish April. And they're like, well it's happening, so like 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:11.000 we don't know what to do, Like he has tons 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:14.240 of money, he's spinning everything. And she goes into this 1:08:14.320 --> 1:08:16.800 huge sob story about April and how tough her life 1:08:16.920 --> 1:08:18.760 is and how her parents were bad and sick and 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:21.720 now molested, and that's like the worst threesome you can 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:24.320 have bad parents, sick as fuck and molested. 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:27.360 I mean that's not a good life. Yeah. 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:29.720 Now, Craigan and Novak do a walk and talk, and 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:33.040 we learned that Melinda's processing a hair found in April's underwear, 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:36.599 but you know he has no pubes. No one has pubes. 1:08:36.680 --> 1:08:38.639 She doesn't have any hair, so what is it? So 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:41.200 Novak just says, like, give me the results when you 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:44.719 have them. Now back to more water. I mean, this scene, 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:48.760 this episode is so many walking talks, so many walking talks. 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:52.559 Now the walk and talk is Melinda Benson and Stabler, 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:56.320 and something with the results just doesn't make sense. She 1:08:56.520 --> 1:09:00.960 drew April's blood just in case Billy gave her any STDs. 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:03.120 She wanted to check the blood for STDs. 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:06.639 But the blood is normal, like normal normal, like hello, 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:08.960 leukemia fucks up your white blood cells. 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:12.920 But there's nothing. There's no sign of cancer none. 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:16.880 Fuck, oh my god, her life is getting worse like 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:22.000 And also, when they diagnose children with cancer and with leukemia, 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:25.400 the doctors take a bone biopsy to confirm it, and 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:28.559 it's done by drilling small holes in the pelvic bone 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:32.320 and those holes never heal and April's X rays to 1:09:32.400 --> 1:09:34.439 her hips do not have the little holes. 1:09:34.880 --> 1:09:37.360 She never had cancer. 1:09:37.800 --> 1:09:42.840 This fucking granny bitch is a what is it swindler? 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:43.920 Grifter? 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:49.400 Yeah, well it's it's crazy, like this is truly like 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:52.920 the fucking Gypsy Rose story ten years before that story 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:57.280 actually went down, Like it's nuts. 1:09:57.400 --> 1:09:59.240 So we're at the doctor. 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:01.799 We're at the hospital and it's the hot surfer doctor 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:04.400 guy and he's this. 1:10:04.520 --> 1:10:07.200 Guy is such like he almost doesn't fit like he 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:09.679 fits for me as like a doctor on another show, 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:13.439 but like on SVU, Like I've never seen a doctor 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:14.800 that looks like this man on SVU. 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:17.439 He's just so like was a like, I don't know 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:19.080 he's at he's a beach bum. 1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:22.240 He's like a babatch boy like, yeah, blonde highlights, yeah, 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:23.120 very not New York. 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:24.559 Yeah. 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.599 But he says, thank god you brought her in right now. 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:28.040 She would have been dead in a few weeks from 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:32.559 mercury poisoning. And wait what And so Nora was killing 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:36.080 her own granddaughter for almost a year now. The grandma 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:38.080 convinced her that they were too poor to go to 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.400 the doctor, and so that's why, like the grandma needed 1:10:40.439 --> 1:10:43.040 to give her the medicine. But she was actually using 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:45.519 mercury to make the daughter sick because it gives the 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:49.719 same side effects as leukemia. It stops cell growth, there's nausea, 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:53.120 hair and weight loss, and she'll be okay, some permanent 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:55.920 like bone damage, but she's gonna be better. And this 1:10:55.960 --> 1:10:58.720 little girl is so bald, she's in the hospital. Her 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:01.880 voice is so sweet, and she goes, I heard grand 1:11:02.000 --> 1:11:03.360 is the one making me sick. 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:05.639 It's like really sad. 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:09.200 So then they're like, she lied to you and it 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:11.720 sucks and she lie. You know what else did you 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:14.240 li about? Did you lie about the billy stuff? And 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:16.920 she was like yeah. The grandma basically told her to 1:11:16.920 --> 1:11:19.439 become friends with him. Aunt asked to nap, but she 1:11:19.600 --> 1:11:21.880 just napped on the couch and they were like, well, 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:23.000 how did you know what to say? 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:26.920 And we get more. So the grandma would snip out. 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:29.360 All of the story and information from the papers about 1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:32.280 the case and made a scrapbook of articles and that 1:11:32.840 --> 1:11:35.160 April had to study them every single day, and then 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:38.559 Nora would quiz her on the details of what to 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.280 lie about, and she kept. 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:41.600 This book by all the cookbooks. 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:44.280 Grand said it was her only chance to get the 1:11:44.320 --> 1:11:46.920 money to give her the medicine or that she would die, 1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:49.000 so she had to do this to get medicine to 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:51.880 save her from leukemia. And she goes, but grand said, 1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:55.000 she loved me. How can she make me sick? If 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:58.519 she loved me. It's sad, but they did stay sick again, if. 1:11:58.439 --> 1:11:59.479 You want to take a shot. 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:05.160 The granny is finally in jail, thank fucking god, and 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:08.320 Novak's being tough on her, like she does not give 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:08.639 a shit. 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:10.679 She's like, I loved the girl. I knew it was wrong, 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:12.280 but but something's wrong with me. 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:15.760 And she does have an amazing defense attorney Cleo Conrad. 1:12:16.520 --> 1:12:18.800 I don't know how she nabbed her, but it's Jill 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:23.640 Marie Laurence seventeen SVU episodes. And she's like, honey, there 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:27.160 is something wrong with you. Let me interject munch husands 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:29.439 by proxy, and it's not your fault. 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:31.880 And Novak's body language is so fuck you. 1:12:32.040 --> 1:12:35.519 She hates them, and so basically she's like, okay, we 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:38.840 gotta talk tripley and the grand throws April under the bus. 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:41.240 She straight up says that it was April's lie and 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:44.840 that the grandma believed it because April said it at 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:49.360 the nerve of this woman. And then Novak, without skipping 1:12:49.439 --> 1:12:52.560 a beat, goes, we have the scrap book and. 1:12:53.800 --> 1:12:56.000 It's amazing, and then all of a sudden, you know. 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:59.680 Cleo Conrad looks nervous, Granny looks nervous, and it's a 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:00.680 moment and I love it. 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:01.200 I do. 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:02.760 I think it's my favorite. I call it the Martin 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:05.920 Short moment. But I do love that one moment where 1:13:05.920 --> 1:13:07.400 the criminal knows they got got and. 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:10.760 Their face just switches right away. Yeah, I really like that. 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:11.960 It's cool acting too. 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:15.040 Everyone looks worried, like I said that they got got, 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:18.839 and she turns it again and is like, I'm innocent. 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:22.680 He's a pedophile. We have to get this pedophile. I 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:26.000 just yeah, criminals. All movies should just be filled with criminals. 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:29.200 The best actors in the world. So and then Cleo's 1:13:29.200 --> 1:13:31.320 sorry to say this, but she had like such nice 1:13:31.320 --> 1:13:33.559 gold hoops in this gold necklace with a pearl, and 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:36.320 I really liked it. Novak does offer a deal to 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:40.640 Cleo Conrad, but for more information from the grandma, and 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:43.280 basically they start discussing that the crime lab found a 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:46.320 hair in the underwear. Granny said that she snuck into 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.240 a room and stole it from his hair brush and 1:13:48.280 --> 1:13:51.360 planted it on her clothing, and she's not gonna admit 1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:54.439 what she did was wrong, and Novak yells at her like, well, 1:13:54.479 --> 1:13:57.360 now in the future, when anyone claims any sexual assault 1:13:57.520 --> 1:13:59.519 or rape. For this guy, he's gonna be able to 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:02.400 like go back to this case and say how everyone's 1:14:02.479 --> 1:14:04.960 lying and everyone wants money and you just fucked up 1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:08.320 victims forever. And she says I'm sorry, and Novak goes, 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:12.080 I don't believe you have fun in prison, and Kleio's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:15.080 you set a deal, you set a deal, and Novak says, 1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:18.439 uh uh, that deal was for Tripoli, not the cancer scam. 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:22.640 And Cleo goes, but munchausends. Munchausends, and Novak doesn't give 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:25.720 us shit. She goes, bowl she's been working this for 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:30.000 a year, sixty thousand dollars, she's fucking stolen from people. 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:32.840 We're taking you to trial. There is no deal, and 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:36.160 she's like, but think of April, and Novak goes, that's 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:37.839 really rich, bitch. 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:39.040 You almost killed her. 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:41.880 And guess what I'm charging you with attempted murder too, 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:44.719 and she yells intosperation like I'm. 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:48.280 Sick too, I'm sick too, sick again. 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:51.720 So Novak go's, you're just a greedy bitch, and the 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:55.080 jury's going to see right through that. Back at the squadron, 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:57.160 Marlowe walks in and they did find JJ. 1:14:57.320 --> 1:14:58.880 He's been at an uncle's house. 1:14:59.200 --> 1:15:02.000 But then they all to Canada and escaped and they 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:02.880 have no authority to. 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:03.599 Bring him back. 1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:06.519 So now both cases against Billy have been blown the 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:10.120 fuck up. But don't forget the Dad is still sitting 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:13.120 in jail and marlow says he will not leave until 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:15.719 he produces JJ. So like this, Dad is now sitting 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:18.680 in jail, which he deserves it. We hate him, but like, 1:15:18.800 --> 1:15:22.400 I wonder what just because of the contract, Like, you're 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:24.160 not gonna be able to use your millions if you're 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:25.000 sitting in jail. 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:27.040 Yeah. 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:29.599 Craigan's like, oh my god, watch this and they turn 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:33.559 on the TV and Billy is having a giant victory party. 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:36.280 He invited the media. He's wearing a lot of green 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:40.880 green suspenders. Hello, Saint Patti's Day, and he says that 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:44.280 he's been vindicated and the children are the real winners. 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:50.920 And then Benson goes, it's sick. It's like five times yeah, 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:53.720 and Stabler says, we will get him. We'll get him 1:15:53.720 --> 1:15:55.800 one of these chances. Like there's gonna be a lot 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:59.559 more chances, unfortunately, and we're gonna fucking get him and 1:15:59.600 --> 1:16:03.160 then it on him, just like partying hardcore with a 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:07.519 bunch of children in his pedophile outfits. And it's probably 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:11.559 one of the more realistic twisted endings of SVU, which 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:16.120 is rich people get away with their crimes. So yeah, well, 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:19.200 thank you for taking us through that, you know, depressing 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:22.160 but very funny episode of Sview. 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.600 Now fill me in, fill me in. Yeah, they'll be 1:16:25.720 --> 1:16:42.000 right back with the real crime. Welcome back. 1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:45.799 So obviously this episode is based on Michael Jackson. Everyone 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:49.639 calls this the Michael Jackson episode. Billy Tripley clearly has 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:52.840 been styled to look like Michael Jackson, and he's not 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:56.559 a huge pop star, but he's you know, got something 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.800 that would appeal to children, which is like this toy company. 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:01.960 The money, I think the money, yeah, like the money 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:02.639 is huge. 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.040 Yeah, I mean Michael jacks The amount of money Michael 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:07.800 Jackson had was just like out of this world, Like 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:10.479 I don't even think we can like fully get a 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:10.880 hold of it. 1:17:11.200 --> 1:17:13.080 Yeah, no one, Well, I think just like the way 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:15.320 media is now, like who knows if anyone will be 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:19.000 able to have that sort of a worldwide appeal. But 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:23.559 like the Mike, no, Michael Jackson was something that I 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:26.000 never that's he's on his own thing. 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:30.200 Yes, like fully known on all continents everywhere you go, 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:33.960 icon of twentieth century entertainment. I don't think I need 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:36.120 to get too deep into who Michael Jackson is if 1:17:36.120 --> 1:17:39.160 you're listening and you don't know, Like I mean, he's 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:42.600 like a singer, dancer, a child star, grew up with 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:45.679 the Jackson the Jackson family that became the Jackson Five, 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:47.280 and you know was a. 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:49.639 Way hold on if you do not know who Michael 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:52.240 Jackson is until you've listened to this episode of the show, 1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:54.400 please dm us we would like to talk to you. 1:17:54.880 --> 1:17:56.400 Yeah, we would like to chat. 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:58.439 That would be I mean, I think maybe there might 1:17:58.479 --> 1:18:00.799 be some people that are like only in the twenties 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:03.200 or something like young and might not know like the 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:05.880 details of this because I grew up with this case 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.160 in the news. For me, so like I've always like 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:11.880 but even going through this, I was like learning more 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:14.200 because I've never really done a full deep dive into 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:17.040 what exactly the allegations weren't, how many there were and 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:17.519 this and. 1:18:17.439 --> 1:18:20.479 That, and I'm really strong I feel strongly like I 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:22.320 don't want to hear r Kelly. I don't want to 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:25.439 like give money to molesters. I don't watch Rede but 1:18:25.479 --> 1:18:28.240 because he's dead, I feel okay listening to his music. 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:29.920 And I don't know if everyone agrees with that or not. 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:31.360 But in my had him like the kids are making 1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:32.400 the money now whatever. 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:37.400 Yeah, I mean it's complicated, but yes, this he is 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.360 basically the number one. Him and Woody Allen are probably 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:43.040 the number one, like a like examples when you have 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.200 the argument of like can you separate the art from 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:48.080 the artist? You know, like can you listen to someone's music, 1:18:48.120 --> 1:18:51.160 watch appreciate someone's movies when you know something that they've 1:18:51.200 --> 1:18:55.360 done is wrong or whatever. So Michael Jackson was from 1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:58.759 a young age kind of it seemed like emotionally unwell. 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:02.519 I can't diagnose him, but he was. He had Gary Indiana, 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:03.559 who's doing well. 1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:08.519 Yeah, he famously had, you know, an abusive father who 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:10.920 pushed them into sow business. He was the star star 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.439 star of the family like fully so, but the father 1:19:14.640 --> 1:19:18.920 was always allegedly abusive, and he I think from age 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:21.760 like five or six was in the limelight and like 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:24.439 never really had a childhood. So for a lot of 1:19:24.439 --> 1:19:27.520 his career, his older career. He was dogged by allegations 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:30.679 of sexual abuse, as he was known to have young 1:19:30.760 --> 1:19:33.600 children at his home at the Neverland Ranch all the 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:36.840 time and they would often sleep over without parental supervision. 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:39.519 So the Neverland Ranch is like two and a half 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:41.719 hours north of LA and Santa Barbara County. 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:42.599 It's massive. 1:19:42.680 --> 1:19:46.120 I'll go into more detail about it, but the timeline 1:19:46.160 --> 1:19:49.840 of Michael Jackson's you know, sort of issues start as 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.599 early as nineteen eighty six. He met a ten year 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:56.320 old boy named James Jimmy Safe Chuck or Sepha Chuck. 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:58.320 I don't know how you say those last name, but 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:00.840 it's the word safe and the word chuck, who was 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:04.320 playing a Michael Jackson obsessed kid in a Pepsi commercial 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:06.240 And I like watched the commercial. It's like he sneaks 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:08.519 into Michael's dressing room and he's trying on all of 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:10.920 his stuff and Michael comes in and is like hey, 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:14.759 and it's like it is indicative of how children felt 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:17.680 about Michael Jackson throughout the eighties and nineties, Like they 1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:20.600 were really obsessed with him, the way he danced, like 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:22.360 his worldwide celebrity. 1:20:23.280 --> 1:20:25.840 Everything to do with Michael Jackson. People were obsessed with him. 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:31.439 So Michael eventually befriended this kid, Jimmy his family. The 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:33.960 family was given gifts and trips, and then Jimmy went 1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:35.800 on tour with him and they began. 1:20:35.600 --> 1:20:36.760 Sleeping in the same bed. 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:39.360 So that was going on in the eighties, but there 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:43.000 were never any allegations made, and the first official allegation 1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:46.920 of misconduct happened in nineteen ninety three and was made 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:49.880 by a thirteen year old boy named Jordan Chandler and 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:54.080 his father Evan, who accused Jackson of sexual abuse against 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.840 the team. So what happened was in May of nineteen 1:20:56.880 --> 1:21:00.360 ninety two, Michael Jackson's car broke down, so he called 1:21:00.479 --> 1:21:05.160 rent arec, which I literally thought was what comedians who 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:08.599 don't have credit cards would get, like they take debit cards. 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:10.760 So I just thought rent direct is like the worst 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:11.280 you can do. 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:14.160 But apparently in the early nineties it was like what 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:18.479 Vanity Fair called it, LA's hip car rental agency. So whatever, 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:20.479 I just thought it was for like loser comedians with 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:22.240 no credit like my husband used to be because he 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.439 used to do rent Direct. So what happened was the 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:27.840 owner of rent Direct calls his wife and says get 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:30.120 over there where to where Michael Jackson's car is stalled, 1:21:30.120 --> 1:21:32.160 so you can introduce him to your son, Jordan. It 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:34.680 wasn't his son, it was her son from a previous relationship. 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:38.479 And the father of the kid is actually a Beverly 1:21:38.520 --> 1:21:41.240 Hill dentist and part time screenwriter, which I love. There's 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:43.920 many people in the story who are one profession and 1:21:43.960 --> 1:21:47.040 part time screenwriters. But this kid, Jordan, is twelve at 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:49.240 the time, and he's obsessed with Michael Jackson. So the 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.320 guy's like, get over there so he can meet Michael Jackson. 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:54.400 So after this meeting that happens because of a broke 1:21:54.439 --> 1:21:58.360 down car, Jackson begins calling Jordan every day and he 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:02.120 was essentially in love with this boy. So and it's 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:06.679 worth noting also that Jordan, even though he was twelve, 1:22:07.120 --> 1:22:09.760 people often thought he was like nine ten, like that 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:11.080 he looked younger than he was. 1:22:11.520 --> 1:22:14.760 So but the parent, well, but the parents they didn't 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:18.280 have like they weren't like Jaj's parents. They just wanted, 1:22:18.400 --> 1:22:20.360 like the kid to meet Michael Jackson because he's the 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:21.360 most famous person ever. 1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:25.479 Right, Yes, but there's more about the mom. 1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:27.720 Like the mom, the mom sort of was into like 1:22:27.760 --> 1:22:32.240 the glitzy life. So so when Michael Jackson first called 1:22:32.320 --> 1:22:36.599 Jordan to invite him to Neverland, it's two days after 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:39.360 Michael Jackson has done his interview with Oprah Winfrey, and 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:42.760 like this is coming off of a full, like three 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:45.800 week media blitz about with Michael Jackson, Like he's just 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.720 done the Clinton inauguration, He's done the Super Bowl, he's 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:51.360 done the American Music Awards, like he's fully at the 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:53.800 top of the Zeit guys, like everyone's fucking talking about 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:56.280 this man, and here he is inviting this twelve year 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:58.240 old boy come to my ranch at Neverland. So just 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:01.200 to set the scene, obviously this kid and the family 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:04.800 are like ecstatic. So on that first visit, Jordan, his sister, 1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:06.720 and his mother sleep in a guest house which is 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:09.759 apparently very far from the main house where Michael Jackson sleeps. 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:14.519 And one detail about Michael Jackson about the Neverland ranch 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:16.519 that was in this long Vanity Fair article I read, 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:18.760 which will be in the show notes, is that at 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:21.960 Neverland there was a merry go round that played like 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:25.439 a virgin I don't know why parents were not fucking 1:23:25.520 --> 1:23:27.559 running for the doors when they walked into this place, 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:28.840 but because. 1:23:28.640 --> 1:23:31.799 It was like a bit that's just a famous song, 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:33.920 but it only played like a virgin. 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.679 I guess that's like what it says in the article 1:23:36.680 --> 1:23:39.880 that this Marrygo Round plays like a virgin. Like I 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:42.200 know you're friends with Madonna, but like, how about like 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:44.680 a prayer? I don't know, there's other songs we can do. 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:47.639 How about Lucky Star that's cute for kids, Like let's 1:23:47.640 --> 1:23:53.559 do another Madonna song? Yeah, and so he bought. Obviously, 1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:56.040 he buys Jordan and his sister toys, takes them on 1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:58.639 like toys or US shopping spreeze, and eventually the mom 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:01.520 started getting gifts too serious jewelry. 1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:03.200 And then he. 1:24:03.200 --> 1:24:06.360 Invites the family back the next weekend, and like most 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.240 guests at the ranch, Jordan had to sign a confidentiality 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:11.120 agreement that he would not speak to the press or 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:14.320 write about anything that went on there. And I don't 1:24:14.320 --> 1:24:16.720 know if that means Jordan actually signed it or if 1:24:16.760 --> 1:24:18.519 his parents signed it, because yeah, I don't know that 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:20.280 like a twelve year old kid is allowed to sign 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:23.880 a document, but that is what I what I found 1:24:24.080 --> 1:24:27.599 in my research. And so on this trip, Michael took 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:29.559 them in a limo to Disneyland, and they of course 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:32.840 got like full VIP treatment there, and then they started 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:36.679 spending every weekend at the Neverland Ranch, and Jordan's mom 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:40.080 and dad were estranged and Jordan was withdrawn from other kids. 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:42.800 So obviously, you know, it's like Michael Jackson knew who 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:45.479 to pick, you know, like he picked specific kids that had, like, 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:50.679 you know, some family fracturing going on. So in March 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:54.719 of nineteen ninety three, Jordan spent four days at Neverland Ranch, 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:57.439 and there were other boys there too, including eleven year 1:24:57.479 --> 1:25:00.880 old Brett Barnes ten year old Wade Robes, who were 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:04.559 also there, as well as the Cassio brothers or Caskio brothers. 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:06.640 Hey is Wade Rout that's the choreographer. 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:11.160 Yes, yes, huge, huge part of this, but I will 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:15.200 get to him. So also these Cassio brothers, Eddie and Frank, 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:18.280 who were nine and thirteen, who had traveled alone with 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:21.680 Jackson in the fall on his dangerous tour. What is 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:24.720 happening Like who is letting children go with him while 1:25:24.720 --> 1:25:26.160 they're not even there like that? 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.639 I just don't understand that part of it at all. 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:31.240 I know, I wonder if it's just I mean, he 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:34.760 was so iconic like yeah, well yeah, and he was 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:36.880 childlike I get into it a little bit more. 1:25:37.240 --> 1:25:40.080 But so Brett Barnes, one of the boys who was there, 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:43.599 like told the TV station like at some point after 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:47.400 there was when there was investigation later, it's a huge bed. 1:25:47.479 --> 1:25:49.360 We all sleep in the bed. But it's a huge bed, 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:51.080 you know, Like it was no big deal. We all 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:55.240 would sleep in it together. And so then at the 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.479 end of that same march, he took the whole family 1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:00.240 in a private jet to Vegas, Jordan's whole family. So 1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:03.200 there was just a lot of time being spent and 1:26:03.280 --> 1:26:06.160 that Jordan and Michael shared a bed while his mother 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:08.880 and sister slept in another room in the suite in Vegas. 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:11.840 And when they wanted to sleep together the next night, 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:14.599 the mother objected and it's like, oh, now you're suddenly 1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:18.200 interested in doing this, like he's already stayed at Neverland 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:20.200 for four days, like it's just crazy. Like now the 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:22.559 mom's like, no, actually, I don't think so. And they 1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:25.519 got into like a little like skirmish, her and Michael Jackson, 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:28.759 and he said to her, this is about being a family, 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:31.800 not making judgments. Why don't you trust me if we're 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:33.840 a family You've got to think of me as a brother. 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:36.280 Why make me feel so bad. This is a bond. 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:40.519 It's not about sex. This is something special. End of quote. 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:42.920 And that was like good enough. 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:45.800 Basically at the end, he said, I'll let Jordan sleep 1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:47.760 wherever Jordan wants to sleep, and Jordan wanted to sleep 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:49.280 with him, and so she goes, all right, good enough 1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:52.400 for me, and the mom just said, like, yeah, let's 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:54.320 let my thirteen year old son share a bed with 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:56.240 a thirty five four year old man, which is what 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:58.360 happened for the next three months. They shared a bed 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:02.360 almost every single night for three months, and then Michael 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:05.439 moved in with their family in their modest little house 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:08.080 in Santa Monica Canyon, which is kind of like near 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:11.000 the Palisades, and then he would just chill at their 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:13.360 house while Jordan went to school all day, like waiting 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:15.520 for him to come home wild. 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:17.120 So I guess, I guess. 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:19.920 Actually, up until this point, the Vegas of it, all 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:21.880 the four days that the Neverland Ranch, none of the 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:25.160 touching had started yet with Jordan. In April of that year, 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:29.280 it starts. It starts at Neverland, and I wonder was 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:31.639 he trying not to do it? And he was holding 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:34.599 back the stuff. I think he was working his way 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:36.400 up to getting him to sleep in the room with him, 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:37.639 because now that they're at never. 1:27:37.520 --> 1:27:39.200 Look they slept for three months together. 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:41.960 No, no, no, I'm sorry that this is what happens 1:27:42.160 --> 1:27:44.880 from the end of from April on. But now I'm 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:46.920 talking about April, like the beginning of April. So I 1:27:46.920 --> 1:27:49.040 think what happened in the order of operations is like 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:52.960 all of March, he spends whining and dining the family, 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:55.280 working his way up to letting him sleep in the 1:27:55.280 --> 1:27:57.479 bed with him. And now it's April and this begins 1:27:57.520 --> 1:27:59.960 the three months. And this is also when the sexual, 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:01.680 well a touching starts. 1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:03.800 Got it in thee at Neverland. 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:06.240 But can you imagine outside of the molasting, but can 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:08.960 you imagine, like Michael Jackson is staying at your house? 1:28:10.439 --> 1:28:12.439 I mean, how do you say, I don't like? What 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:12.960 do you do? 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:13.360 Like? 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:16.320 I That's just such a wild concept to me. I'm 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:18.360 thinking like if it was someone now, like if Rihanna 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:19.760 was like, hey, can I crash with you? 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:21.240 And you're no? And what's Yeah? 1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:23.920 Our wild is like at Neverland, he's got a staff 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:26.400 of fifty plus people that are waiting on him twenty 1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:29.719 four to seven, like food, chefs, you know, like everything. 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:31.760 So it's like, why would you even leave all that 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:33.840 to go? But I think it was like part of 1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:35.640 his grooming and part of the like we're part of 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:38.439 a family. See I come stay with you like I'm 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:40.320 on your turf now, you know what I mean? Like 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:42.760 I think that must be must kind of a part 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:43.080 of it. 1:28:43.479 --> 1:28:47.280 So diabolical because this whole thing about Michael Jackson is 1:28:47.320 --> 1:28:49.960 like he's abused, and he's innocent, and he's. 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:51.479 Just like a childlike character. 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:54.200 But then when you get to it, this is like 1:28:54.240 --> 1:28:57.960 a diabolical, evil, planned, fucking pedophile. 1:28:58.160 --> 1:29:01.200 No, and there's parts later where he as kids parents 1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:02.720 like can they come with me or stay with me 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:04.280 or come on tour with me for a while, And 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:06.280 the parents will say no, and then Michael will say 1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:08.320 something like well I always get what I want, so 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:12.040 just so you know, like it's gonna happen. Like so it's, yeah, 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:14.120 you're right, like he's we do see him as this 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:19.120 childlike person, but he is quite diabolical. So whenever they're 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:21.320 at the ranch now, Jordan stays with Michael and his 1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:23.240 mother and sister are still there, but they're in the 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:26.120 guest house. But both of those buildings are very far 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:28.639 apart from each other. They're locked at night, and they're 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:31.439 heavily patrolled by security, So like, even if the mom 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:33.360 got like a feeling in the middle of the night, 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:35.200 she couldn't go over and like see what her son 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:37.320 was up to because he's locked in a building with 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:42.240 a thirty four year old man and very very the 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:46.120 Treasure Room, Michael's bedroom is connected by a secret staircase 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:48.800 to a special guest room called the Shirley Temple Room. 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:49.839 Yikes. 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:53.240 Former employees of the ranch said that a lot of 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:55.320 boys were invited to sleep in the Shirley Temple Room 1:29:55.560 --> 1:29:57.880 and that they would often find the bed untouched when 1:29:57.880 --> 1:29:58.719 they got in there. 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:01.559 So I don't know that that's like they're just not sleeping. 1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:03.920 I don't know what's happening, And that he was so 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:07.000 Michael Jackson was so serious about privacy that the floor 1:30:07.040 --> 1:30:09.760 outside his bedroom was wired so that whenever anyone would 1:30:09.800 --> 1:30:11.720 come within five feet of the entrance, there would be 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:17.679 like ringing ding dong noises. So very paranoid, but also 1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:21.840 definitely you're doing something wrong. And what I read was 1:30:21.880 --> 1:30:24.479 that what His plan was basically was he would have 1:30:24.520 --> 1:30:26.720 these kids over and he would assault them with like 1:30:27.439 --> 1:30:30.519 loud music, bright lights, like all kinds of shit, and 1:30:30.520 --> 1:30:32.320 then sometimes he would just molest them and hope that 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.960 they would be almost too distracted by the other stuff 1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:37.519 that was going on to even notice that they were 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:41.520 being molested, because it was like huge, crazy party vibes. 1:30:41.200 --> 1:30:43.000 And all this stuff while he was molesting them. 1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:48.439 But Jordan said that Michael began like it started with 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:51.680 Michael rubbing up against him and eventually kissing him, and 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:54.400 that like Michael is now taking Jordan and his family 1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:57.439 on trips all over the world. They're photographed together a ton. 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:00.880 The kid is so cute too, Jordan, and then the 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:03.680 kid is dressing just like Michael Jackson, like when they're 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:06.439 on tour together, he's dressing like Michael Jackson, the hat, 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:09.920 the glove, like the full thing. On a trip to 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:13.839 Monaco with the family, shit gets even sketchier. Michael starts 1:31:14.040 --> 1:31:18.120 orally copulating the boy, masturbating him, et cetera. And Jackson 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:21.000 told Jordan, if you tell anyone, we'll both get in 1:31:21.040 --> 1:31:24.080 trouble and you're gonna go to Juvie so that you 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:27.000 know was explains why he's like also not telling people. 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:30.840 But and so the does this family still own the 1:31:30.880 --> 1:31:34.200 Wreckord car Rental? Oh so let me just explain the 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:37.920 family again. Okay, So to explain the family dynamic really quickly. 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:41.040 Jordan's mother is named June Chandler. She's like a former model. 1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:43.559 She was married to Evan Chandler, who is his father. 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:46.560 Jordan's father, the Beverly Hills dentist slash screenwriter. 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:47.479 They divorced. 1:31:47.520 --> 1:31:49.920 She married the wreck the rent direct guy. They're a 1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:56.479 strange now, Okay. So, so Jordan's dad is the dentist 1:31:56.520 --> 1:32:00.000 screenwriter and he was kind of originally jazzed about this relationship, 1:32:00.160 --> 1:32:02.280 kind of thought it would maybe help him be able 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:03.960 to like get into movies and get some of his 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:06.640 movies made. But then he actually seems like one of 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.280 the only parents that has like a fucking piece of 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:12.320 intuition in his body because he saw his son and 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:14.840 Jackson together and just like the vibe between them got 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:18.519 him suspicious, and he could tell that Michael Jackson was 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:20.559 trying to play the parents off of each other, Like 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:23.479 Michael Jackson and Jordan would talk shit about the mom 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:26.000 to him, and he's like, I don't really want to 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:28.920 destroy the full family dynamic that we have of like 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:32.800 you know, co parenting, even though we're divorced. And he 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:35.000 thought if he he thought Michael Jackson was doing that 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:37.000 so that he could basically have Jordan to himself, like 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:38.840 break his home so that he can just come with 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:44.040 me or whatever. So Evan Chandler gets a lawyer and 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:46.320 demands to see his son, who he starts to see 1:32:46.400 --> 1:32:50.080 less and less of. And then mj gets his lawyers 1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:53.519 to represent the mom, and they're like these huge bulldog lawyers, 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:55.920 like huge LA attorneys, And it's like, if this is 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.160 such an innocent relationship, why do you need these huge, 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:03.800 big gun lawyers involved. And then Jordan's dad eventually told 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:06.719 the lawyers what he wanted, which was twenty million dollars 1:33:06.720 --> 1:33:08.400 from Jackson, but he said he wanted it in a 1:33:08.479 --> 1:33:11.040 trust for Jordan that only Jordan could use. 1:33:11.680 --> 1:33:13.800 So that makes me sort of feel like the dad 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:14.880 has good intentions if. 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:17.080 It's like he wants he thinks his son's being molested, 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:18.960 he wants he doesn't want to put him through a trial. 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:20.880 He wants Jackson punished and kept away from him. 1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:23.240 So he's like if I can punish him monetarily, maybe 1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:25.960 he'll stop doing this to other kids, and this money 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:28.919 will just go towards, you know, Jordan's therapy and college 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:30.320 and whatever the rest of his life. 1:33:30.520 --> 1:33:32.120 The lawyers refuse this offer. 1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:34.800 Then there was all this custody push and pull with 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:38.360 him and his wife, and Jordan finally admitted the sexual 1:33:38.360 --> 1:33:40.760 abuse to a psychiatrist that his dad brought him to. 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:42.800 Who like, because before that he was denying it. 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:44.799 Obviously he thought he was going to go to juvenile 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:47.080 hall and that everybody would get in trouble. 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:49.960 And so his dad brought him to this psychiatrist. 1:33:49.360 --> 1:33:54.040 And he disclosed, and so now the psychiatrist legally has 1:33:54.120 --> 1:33:57.280 to report it. So now it becomes a huge media story. 1:33:57.280 --> 1:33:59.320 That's how it hits the fan. And the dad had 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:02.559 kept threatened to go public, but the lawyers were like, 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:04.479 we can work this out, and we're like trying to 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:06.640 make a deal. But they think that the dad just 1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:08.920 bringing him to the psychiatrist was the dad's way of 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:12.160 going public without throwing his own press conference, because he 1:34:12.240 --> 1:34:15.920 knew that the psychiatrist would have to like report, So 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:18.519 Jordan at that point did not want to go back 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:20.880 to his mom, because he realized that his mom was 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:23.720 in it for the glam of it all, like all 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:26.400 the gifts and the jet setting and like, oh, Michael 1:34:26.439 --> 1:34:29.880 Jackson's a closed family friend of mine, you know, And 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:33.360 Jordan was afraid that she would bring him back to Jackson. 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:37.920 So when the authorities told June what Jordan said about Jackson, 1:34:37.960 --> 1:34:40.760 there's so many jays, she reportedly broke down and said 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:41.679 she couldn't believe. 1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:45.320 How stupid she had been. So, you know, I don't know, 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:46.400 it is pretty stupid. 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:51.719 Michael Jackson's lawyer, Anthony Pelicano, is this bulldog like dirty 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:55.880 fighting lawyer who actually is also a screenwriter on the side, 1:34:55.880 --> 1:34:58.599 of course, because who isn't in this fucking town. And 1:34:58.680 --> 1:35:02.080 he says, quote, if it's a thirty five year old pedophile, 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:04.479 then it's obvious why he's sleeping with little boys. But 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:06.759 if it's Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean anything. 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:07.720 You couldn't say. 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:10.760 It's strange, it's inappropriate, it's weird. You can use all 1:35:10.760 --> 1:35:11.920 the adjectives you want to. 1:35:12.000 --> 1:35:15.720 But is it criminal no? Is it immoral? No? So 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:16.400 don't worry. 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:21.400 Like his lawyer is also a complete like delusional psycho, so. 1:35:21.400 --> 1:35:23.680 Yeah, like everybody thinks, oh, this is not a big deal. 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:26.760 Michael Jackson is a child and never had a childhood, 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:29.679 and so that's why he is just having these friendly 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:32.120 sleepovers with it. And I have to admit I before 1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:35.240 I saw it leaving Neverland, I was almost a Michael 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:37.600 Jackson apologist. I was kind of like, I don't know, 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:39.360 I think maybe he just sleeps in bed with these 1:35:39.439 --> 1:35:41.960 kids and is weird, but like doesn't actually touch them. 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:42.200 You know. 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:44.479 I really kind of thought I think I was trying 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:46.799 to like excuse how much I like his music. 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:48.760 But then after I saw Leaving Neverland, I was like, 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:49.320 I'm sold. 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:52.960 Well because also, all right, let's take the King of 1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:56.160 Pop part of way to permit if you found out 1:35:56.200 --> 1:35:58.160 a thirty five year old was sleeping in a bed 1:35:58.160 --> 1:36:01.280 with a thirteen year old, you would ever be like, oh, 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:04.679 they're just sleeping together and they're not touching. It's yeah, 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:08.000 you know, it's it's a fucked up thing. Whether there's 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:12.640 like a boundary cruster, you just why do you go 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:14.559 to therapy or the King of Pop like you don't 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.639 like you don't bring a little child into your. 1:36:17.600 --> 1:36:25.559 Bad Yeah, so obviously as what happens In this episode 1:36:25.600 --> 1:36:29.000 of SVU, the defense paints the father, Evan, as an extortionist, 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:31.840 just a jealous father trying to get money. And the 1:36:31.880 --> 1:36:36.759 police do do a raid on Neverland Ranch and Jackson's 1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:40.080 La condo. They find no incriminating evidence. I mean, he's 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:42.200 got a staff of fifty five people. I'm sure like 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:45.759 everything's getting washed immediately. I don't think there's stray hairs 1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:47.479 and seamen lying around, you know what I mean, I 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:49.400 don't know what. The only evidence I feel like you 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:52.160 would find in a situation like this would be photographs 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:52.639 or video. 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:54.639 But they didn't find anything. 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:58.520 And Jordan Chandler did give a police description of Jackson's 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:01.240 genitals and a strip search was made and the jurors 1:37:01.240 --> 1:37:03.920 felt the description was not a match. Don't have any 1:37:03.920 --> 1:37:06.720 more info on that, but they did use this bit 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:10.120 in the SVU episode as well. And then in January 1:37:10.120 --> 1:37:12.759 of nineteen ninety four, Jackson did settle with the Chandler 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.320 family out of court for reported some of twenty three 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:20.040 million dollars. So I guess I hope Jordan Chandler is, like, 1:37:20.280 --> 1:37:23.800 you know, finding some kind of peace in his life and. 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:26.639 Well, because I'm also thinking with Neverland ranch, like I'm 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:29.759 sure there's hidden doors and basements and like a book 1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:32.400 that you press and it opens something else. And I 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:36.639 wonder what how warrants work? And do you get how 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:39.000 the house has made architecture plans? Like how do you 1:37:39.120 --> 1:37:40.519 enter secret passages in. 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:41.680 A home like that? 1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:44.640 And it also seems like it would take days and 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:47.560 days and days. It's this massive, sprawling ranch like I 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:48.080 don't even know. 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.280 Or he can have other buildings not in his name 1:37:51.439 --> 1:37:54.640 where he holds stuff like the amount of resources this 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:56.920 person has to hide any evidences. 1:37:57.120 --> 1:37:59.479 Yeah, he could literally have the evidence floating in a 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:01.760 helicopter above his house twenty four hours a day, like 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:03.080 he has so much fucking money. 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:04.920 But that would be the opposite. 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:07.800 That would be loud and obvious, that would not hide 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:09.040 the pedophilia. 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:11.160 That would be like they'd be back. But can you 1:38:11.160 --> 1:38:13.479 get a warrant for a helicopter, Liza? That's the question. 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:18.800 So in nineteen ninety four, prosecutors announced that they're not 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:22.799 filing criminal charges against Jackson involving three different boys because 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:26.719 quote the primary alleged victim end quote declined to testify, 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:29.720 which is presumably Jordan, and the state closed its investigation 1:38:30.200 --> 1:38:33.759 in September of nineteen ninety four. At that time, Michael's 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:37.360 sister LaToya, who was estranged from the family at the time, 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:40.519 said quote, Michael is my brother. I love him a 1:38:40.520 --> 1:38:42.800 great deal, but I cannot and will not be a 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:47.400 silent collaborator of his crimes against small, innocent children. If 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:50.120 I remain silent, then it means I fuel the guilt 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:52.400 and humiliation these children are feeling, and I think it's 1:38:52.479 --> 1:38:56.040 very wrong and end quote. She claims that she saw 1:38:56.160 --> 1:38:58.920 large checks made out to the families of Michael's alleged victims, 1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:01.760 suggesting he was trying to buy silence. She also said 1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:04.280 that she's a victim of sexual abuse and therefore understood 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:08.000 these children's pain, and later she recanted this entire statement, 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:10.040 saying that her abusive husband made her say it for 1:39:10.080 --> 1:39:12.320 money because she was getting money for interviews at the time. 1:39:12.520 --> 1:39:14.799 So who fucking knows what this family? 1:39:15.120 --> 1:39:18.000 Well, yeah, but I forgot where I was watching this 1:39:18.160 --> 1:39:21.360 or what was happening with LaToya, but they it's it 1:39:21.400 --> 1:39:23.479 reminds me of the episode because of the spin thing 1:39:23.520 --> 1:39:26.240 where they made LaToya be like the crazy one, like 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:31.240 fuck LaToya. But now decades later, LaToya was the one 1:39:31.280 --> 1:39:35.280 that was speaking the truth. Yeah, there's a reason she 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:38.479 was like this shunned lunatic and. 1:39:38.520 --> 1:39:39.719 She's Rue Paul's favorite. 1:39:40.080 --> 1:39:42.559 Yeah, and this is the spin that they do, like, 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:45.840 oh they're crazy, and it's like okay, well time will tell, 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:50.880 and she wasn't right right, And around this time, Michael 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:54.360 Jackson also marries Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis Presley, 1:39:54.400 --> 1:39:57.080 which was a full publicity stunt to draw attention away 1:39:57.080 --> 1:39:59.640 from the allegations and to make him seem like a 1:39:59.720 --> 1:40:01.799 head of a sexual man that likes. 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:04.480 Women, and you know, even though he really. 1:40:04.240 --> 1:40:07.519 Had like no relationships with women, much like he had 1:40:07.520 --> 1:40:10.360 been on like four dates in his life with women apparently. 1:40:10.400 --> 1:40:12.640 One was Brooke Shields to an award show. One was 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:14.640 Madonna to an award show. And these were kind of 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:17.439 publicity stunts. And it's tough because, you know, a lot 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:20.400 of people conflate being gay with being a pedophile, which 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:24.799 is completely egregious and disgusting because they're completely two separate things. 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:27.679 And it's just another example of how insidious these cover 1:40:27.800 --> 1:40:29.800 ups can be because people are just like, oh, look, 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:32.200 he couldn't be a pedophile. He's with a woman, and 1:40:32.240 --> 1:40:35.200 it's like, no, I think history has taught us that 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:36.400 that's very untrue. 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:39.280 But they don't say bad things about it. I mean 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:41.479 Brooks Shields talks about it like they dated. Maybe the 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:43.320 contract's still enacted. 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:46.200 Like yah, yeah, who No, I don't know, but I. 1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:49.000 Remember that kissed with Lisa Marie Presley at the VMA's 1:40:49.320 --> 1:40:52.320 Think or Grammys, and it was hard to watch. 1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:56.080 It was hard to watch for sure, and a lot 1:40:56.160 --> 1:40:59.040 of people thought, Oh, Michael Jackson never had a childhood, 1:40:59.080 --> 1:41:00.599 that's why he loves being a child. 1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:01.759 But a woman. 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:04.479 So this article I read said a woman who observed 1:41:04.560 --> 1:41:07.400 him closely during the early years disagreed. I don't know 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:11.680 what that means. Someone who somehow was connected to him said, quote. 1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:12.920 That's what I'm going to be for Halloween. I'm going 1:41:12.960 --> 1:41:14.760 to be a woman who observed him closely during the 1:41:14.760 --> 1:41:15.320 early years. 1:41:18.000 --> 1:41:21.200 Well, this woman said, quote, he loves childhood because he 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:23.559 was a child star he loves to remember it. 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:25.760 Michael is a narcissist in the extreme. 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:29.280 So there's, you know, different ways you can look at it, like, oh, 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:31.519 he just lives in childhood because that's kind of when 1:41:31.560 --> 1:41:34.080 he stopped maturing. But or it could also be like, no, 1:41:34.160 --> 1:41:35.400 that was the best time of my life and I 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:37.960 just want to like like relive it constantly. 1:41:38.479 --> 1:41:41.320 Well, Also, the stardom to him was a way to 1:41:41.520 --> 1:41:43.439 escape his abusive father too. 1:41:43.640 --> 1:41:44.240 Yeah. 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:47.439 Yeah, he was getting love from the public that he 1:41:47.479 --> 1:41:50.439 wasn't getting from his family his father, I guess. 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:53.240 Yeah. And also his love was contingent on his stardom. 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:55.280 I'm sure his father hid him less when he was, 1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:57.679 you know, selling albums and killing it on stage. 1:41:57.720 --> 1:41:58.400 So who knows. 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:03.080 So the scandal hits about ten years later in two 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:07.040 thousand and three, right after the infamous Martin Basher documentary 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:10.519 aired called Living with Michael Jackson, which is what triggered 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.080 the next investigation. Now, I watched this when it came on, 1:42:13.200 --> 1:42:15.520 like the night it came on, and was like completely 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:16.639 shocked by his behavior. 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:17.439 Did you watch this? 1:42:17.840 --> 1:42:20.479 No, Oh my gosh, Like it was one of those things. 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:21.640 It was like two thousand and three. I feel like 1:42:21.680 --> 1:42:24.280 everybody was like it was appointment television, like the Martin 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:25.240 Bascheer documentary. 1:42:25.439 --> 1:42:27.559 Is that when he went to Vegas and when shopping 1:42:27.560 --> 1:42:29.479 and bought a bunch of like sparkly things. 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:30.000 I think so. 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.400 And he's like up in a tree with Martin Basher, 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:35.040 Like they're up in a tree talking like it's like 1:42:35.120 --> 1:42:39.240 you're you're I had never realized before what a child 1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:41.080 he was, like, how he was like a child a 1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:43.720 man child like I just never I don't know. 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:45.519 I liked the music videos. 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:47.640 I hadn't watched a ton of interviews, you know, I 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:53.439 didn't really know much about his personal shit. But in uh, 1:42:54.200 --> 1:42:57.600 the documentary like was sketchy and showed other kids and 1:42:57.600 --> 1:42:58.200 stuff like that. 1:42:58.240 --> 1:42:59.320 And so Thomas W. 1:42:59.400 --> 1:43:01.840 Snedd and G who was the District attorney of Santa 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:04.880 Barbara County who also tried to prosecute Jackson in nineteen 1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:08.360 ninety three, formally charged Jackson with seven counts of child 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:10.760 molesting involving a boy who was an overnight guest at 1:43:10.800 --> 1:43:13.760 Neverland Ranch, plus two counts of giving the boy, who 1:43:13.800 --> 1:43:17.960 was a former cancer patient aged fourteen, an intoxicating agent 1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:22.719 before molesting him. Now, in this case, Jackson's lawyer is Lisa. 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:26.400 Why did I just say, Lisa, we're leaving it in. 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:31.280 Look here mispronounces things too. How could I call you Lisa, Lisa? 1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:33.160 I'm just talking so much. 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:37.840 In this case, Jackson's lawyer was Mark Garagos, our guy 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:41.840 who was at the same time representing Scott Peterson. He 1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:46.479 is simultaneously representing the man accused for the murder of 1:43:46.520 --> 1:43:49.959 the century with the pop star accused with child molestation 1:43:50.040 --> 1:43:53.120 for the second time publicly. And this guy has represented 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:56.599 so many people, as we've talked about, like Winona Ryder, 1:43:57.680 --> 1:44:00.160 the girl who dumped her baby, Holly Ashcraft. Now I'm 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:01.960 reading more about this guy. I really want to know 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:03.759 how that girl could afford this man. 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:07.120 Well, because he does suffer publicity too, right, yeah, like 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:08.920 he'll take a case for it. But I don't know 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:10.320 the Holly Ashcroft that. 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:12.679 She was the girl who dumped her baby. They think 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:15.320 twice the Skylar Fisk episode. 1:44:15.600 --> 1:44:17.240 Oh whoa, Yeah. 1:44:16.960 --> 1:44:18.720 So he was her lawyer and she was just like 1:44:18.720 --> 1:44:22.040 a girl from Montana who was going to USC So 1:44:22.120 --> 1:44:24.080 I have like no idea how she would have afforded 1:44:24.120 --> 1:44:26.080 like one of the hottest lawyers we go. 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:27.960 Do you think you would talk to us? Do you 1:44:28.000 --> 1:44:31.040 think we could try to book Mark Arragos? Oh gosh, 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:32.439 I don't know, And I don't know what he'd be 1:44:32.439 --> 1:44:33.880 able to say. I don't know what he'd be able 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:34.519 to well. 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:36.000 I would like to ask him, do you think he 1:44:36.040 --> 1:44:38.639 failed as Scott Peterson's attorney because he was too busy 1:44:38.720 --> 1:44:40.679 doing working on Michael Jackson's well. 1:44:40.680 --> 1:44:44.200 Michael Jackson later fires him because he wants somebody that's 1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:45.720 going to work on him full time. 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:47.799 Yeah, and he took on too many cases Scott. 1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:52.160 Yeah, So he was originally represented by Garagos, but then 1:44:52.200 --> 1:44:54.120 he was fired because he was too busy and he 1:44:54.120 --> 1:44:58.719 wanted the lawyers full attention. So after posting three million 1:44:58.760 --> 1:45:02.320 dollar bail the same day and surrendering his passport, Jackson 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:05.000 is allowed to go free as he awaits trial, much 1:45:05.040 --> 1:45:06.960 like what happens in the episode. He gets bail, he 1:45:06.960 --> 1:45:11.160 goes home, he keeps partying with kids. So he's charged 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:13.200 in late two thousand and three and it's not until 1:45:13.240 --> 1:45:16.800 February two thousand and five that he stands trial. The 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:20.200 victim is identified as Gavin r Viso, a young man 1:45:20.240 --> 1:45:25.320 who appeared in the Basher documentary and testifying on behalf 1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:27.800 of Michael Jackson in the trial are Macaulay Culkin and 1:45:27.840 --> 1:45:31.120 Wade Robeson, who is now by now a famous choreographer 1:45:31.280 --> 1:45:33.800 who's had his own MTV show which I think was 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:37.360 called The Wade Robeson experiment or experience one of those, 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:40.120 and he'd choreographed for in Sync and Brittany, and there 1:45:40.120 --> 1:45:43.519 were rumors that Brittany cheated on justin Timberlake with Robesin 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:45.400 and that that's the subject of crimea River. 1:45:45.520 --> 1:45:47.400 I don't know if you've ever read all that, Lisa. 1:45:47.760 --> 1:45:49.360 Of course I did. Oh, okay, of course you have. 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:51.640 I just wanted to when I get to shock you 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:54.599 once in a while, it's fun. So I just did 1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:56.640 find out that it is the Wade Robeson project that 1:45:56.760 --> 1:46:00.280 was his. It was like a choreography MTV reality show 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:05.479 type thing. So our viso fourteen says on the stand 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:09.160 that Jackson masturbated him. His brother corroborates the story and 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:11.280 they say they say that Jackson gave them alcohol and 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:15.639 showed them pornography. The trial is a circus. It lasts 1:46:15.680 --> 1:46:18.160 four months. There's one hundred and forty witnesses. At one point, 1:46:18.240 --> 1:46:21.000 Jackson shows up late in pajamas at some point. 1:46:21.439 --> 1:46:23.000 And then this is going. 1:46:22.760 --> 1:46:24.519 To what you were talking about when you were like, 1:46:24.600 --> 1:46:26.799 why are we following the woman about two hundred dollars 1:46:27.040 --> 1:46:28.160 of shoplifting. 1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:30.599 They were trying to get Gavin's mother too. 1:46:30.680 --> 1:46:33.000 She was apparently a little bit erratic on the stand 1:46:33.040 --> 1:46:35.360 and snapped her fingers at the jury at one point, 1:46:35.680 --> 1:46:39.879 and she was eventually Now that she's in the limelight, 1:46:40.000 --> 1:46:42.640 she gets busted for welfare fraud, where she's getting like 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:45.519 something like eight thousand dollars in welfare fraud. I don't 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:47.320 know what that has to do, Like that doesn't mean 1:46:47.320 --> 1:46:48.800 that your son is well. 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:52.000 Welfare fraud is close more closely related, because if you're 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:54.320 a con artist frauding the government of money, why wouldn't 1:46:54.320 --> 1:46:55.839 you fraud Michael Jackson with money? 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:58.840 Right? I think that's different than stealing clothes, But but 1:46:58.920 --> 1:47:01.599 I think stealing much. She chose a desperation for money, 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:02.479 got it. 1:47:02.520 --> 1:47:04.519 I guess you know, like you need money, so you 1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:08.400 would do anything, including like having your granddaughter who's sick 1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:14.800 memorize information about a pedophile. Anyway, the mom looked bad, apparently, 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:16.360 and that's what a lot of people said, and a 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:18.519 lot of people blamed on the jury were like, what 1:47:18.600 --> 1:47:20.360 mother would let a kid sleep in bed with a 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:23.360 grown man, And it's like, okay, yes, that's wrong, but 1:47:23.439 --> 1:47:26.000 also he did commit these crimes, so the mother did 1:47:26.000 --> 1:47:27.920 get a lot of blame and in two thousand and five, 1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:29.480 Michael Jackson was acquitted. 1:47:29.120 --> 1:47:32.360 Of all charges so terrible. 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:35.360 And then in two thousand and nine, Michael Jackson dies 1:47:35.960 --> 1:47:39.479 famously doctor Conrad Murray the propofall of it all. And 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:44.160 then in twenty thirteen, after twenty years of publicly defending 1:47:44.200 --> 1:47:47.160 Michael Jackson, Wade Robeson tells The Daily Beast that he 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:51.160 was actually molested by Michael Jackson for seven years, starting 1:47:51.160 --> 1:47:54.799 at age seven. And then two years later, in twenty fifteen, 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:59.759 a judge in Los Angeles Superior County Court dismisses robesons 1:47:59.760 --> 1:48:01.880 suit against these states, saying he waited too long to 1:48:01.920 --> 1:48:06.080 file his claim. In twenty seventeen, that sane judge dismisses 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:09.160 the rest of Robeson's suit filed against Michael's two companies, 1:48:09.160 --> 1:48:11.280 saying that the two companies can't be held liable for 1:48:11.360 --> 1:48:16.280 Jackson's behavior. And none of these judgments address whether Robeson's 1:48:16.280 --> 1:48:18.599 accusations are credible or not. They just say you waited 1:48:18.600 --> 1:48:21.520 too long and these companies can't be held responsible. 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:24.680 I'm also wondering if, since he testified on behalf of 1:48:24.800 --> 1:48:29.160 Jackson back in the day, if that counts as like perjury. 1:48:29.600 --> 1:48:32.040 Yes, they were like did you perjure yourself back then 1:48:32.200 --> 1:48:34.439 or are you perjuring yourself now? Essentially there was a 1:48:34.479 --> 1:48:38.280 lot of one like you know, back and forth about that. 1:48:38.680 --> 1:48:40.960 And then James safe Chuck, who I mentioned at the 1:48:40.960 --> 1:48:43.240 beginning who went on tour with Michael in the eighties, 1:48:43.400 --> 1:48:46.960 files a similar suit against MJJ Productions in MJJ Ventures 1:48:46.960 --> 1:48:51.040 his two companies in twenty fourteen, alleging that Jackson abused 1:48:51.120 --> 1:48:54.320 him on quote, hundreds of occasions between nineteen eighty eight 1:48:54.320 --> 1:48:56.720 and nineteen ninety two, and the same judge, it's the 1:48:56.760 --> 1:48:59.559 same exact judge as in Robeson's case. He rejects safe 1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:02.240 Chuck's suit in twenty seventeen on the same grounds that 1:49:02.240 --> 1:49:04.360 they gave robesin like you waited too long and these 1:49:04.360 --> 1:49:08.080 companies are not liable for his behavior. So then in 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:11.200 March of March third, twenty nineteen, the two part four 1:49:11.240 --> 1:49:15.799 hour documentary Leaving Neverland begins airing on HBO. Michael Jackson's 1:49:15.920 --> 1:49:19.880 estate is obviously fuming about this, and they claim that 1:49:20.080 --> 1:49:25.679 Michael Jackson. When HBO released his nineteen ninety two Live 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:29.880 in Bucharest colon The Dangerous Tour concert when they release that, 1:49:30.000 --> 1:49:33.200 they agreed to a contract with Jackson saying that they 1:49:33.200 --> 1:49:36.920 would say nothing disparaging about him. And so essentially what's 1:49:37.000 --> 1:49:40.519 happening is the estate is claiming that that contract is 1:49:40.560 --> 1:49:43.599 still in effect. So now even though it's god ninety 1:49:43.680 --> 1:49:47.559 two to it's like almost twenty years later, they're trying 1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:49.600 to say, you're still not allowed to disparage him, and 1:49:49.600 --> 1:49:53.400 this documentary that you're releasing is disparaging him, even it's posthumous. 1:49:53.760 --> 1:49:58.240 So what they do is they actually his estate releases 1:49:58.280 --> 1:50:00.760 that concert on YouTube as and it's on the same 1:50:00.840 --> 1:50:04.240 night that the documentary premieres as an attempt at counter programming, 1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:08.280 I guess, and they sue HBO for one hundred million dollars. 1:50:08.600 --> 1:50:10.640 And in the latest update that I found from like 1:50:10.720 --> 1:50:14.200 the end of twenty twenty one, they're winning against HBO, 1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:16.839 but HBO can appeal again, So we'll see what happens 1:50:16.840 --> 1:50:17.080 with that. 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:22.479 If they fucking gacker HBO, I will I will go 1:50:22.560 --> 1:50:23.880 after Michael Jackson's sting. 1:50:24.960 --> 1:50:28.240 They cannot bankrupt HBO. Do you think one hundred million 1:50:28.280 --> 1:50:30.200 would bankrupt HBO? I mean, I think it would be 1:50:30.200 --> 1:50:31.519 a hit, but I don't know if it would bankrupt. 1:50:31.600 --> 1:50:34.080 You're right, You're totally right, and maybe it will go down. 1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:36.479 Maybe it will be like an agreement that's like fifty million, 1:50:36.479 --> 1:50:36.960 you know, who. 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:40.639 Knows, but yeah, it's wild. 1:50:40.840 --> 1:50:44.040 And like you you think leaving I thought, and Leaving 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:45.640 Neverland was this huge bombshell. 1:50:45.680 --> 1:50:47.080 There was all this information in it. 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:50.120 So let me describe what Leaving Neverland is in case 1:50:50.160 --> 1:50:53.439 you haven't watched it. It's James Safechuck and Wade Robeson 1:50:53.560 --> 1:50:57.000 telling their stories. These are guys who defended Jackson for 1:50:57.120 --> 1:51:01.760 years on various different occasions and now came through and said, 1:51:01.800 --> 1:51:04.240 you know, after years of therapy and kind of processing. 1:51:05.200 --> 1:51:06.520 And they talk about. 1:51:06.240 --> 1:51:09.200 It really in an interesting way in the documentary where 1:51:10.120 --> 1:51:12.479 they're kind of like we were in love, like we 1:51:12.600 --> 1:51:15.200 loved him, you know, yes, he like then he started 1:51:15.240 --> 1:51:17.040 to do these things with us, but like we didn't 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:20.880 know and it was a very loving relationship. And you know, 1:51:21.000 --> 1:51:24.120 he was promising, at least Wade, he was promising him. 1:51:24.439 --> 1:51:25.840 He lived in Australia at the time. 1:51:25.960 --> 1:51:27.800 He's going to bring him to America, let him blow 1:51:27.880 --> 1:51:30.160 up here, put him in music videos, all this stuff. 1:51:30.160 --> 1:51:33.320 And these kids were like, could not believe that the 1:51:33.320 --> 1:51:35.519 biggest star in the world was paying them this attention, 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:38.840 like they felt so special and like loved, and then 1:51:39.320 --> 1:51:41.320 I think didn't know how to process the abuse at 1:51:41.360 --> 1:51:44.240 their young ages, and then you know, as adults they 1:51:44.240 --> 1:51:46.160 have started to And that's what the point of this 1:51:46.560 --> 1:51:50.000 doc is. And it just has a lot more like 1:51:50.160 --> 1:51:53.360 information about like I don't know, not that there's a 1:51:53.360 --> 1:51:56.080 difference in these in the different like levels of abuse 1:51:56.200 --> 1:51:58.920 or anything, but it's like Wade Robeson talks about like 1:51:59.000 --> 1:52:02.080 being anally undertreated and like horrible stuff where it's like 1:52:02.120 --> 1:52:05.080 he has pain and you know, it's just like it 1:52:05.120 --> 1:52:08.519 didn't seem like it just seems like it's another level 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:09.080 of abuse. 1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:10.080 And then. 1:52:11.400 --> 1:52:13.679 And of course I'm talking about in terms of physical trauma, 1:52:13.760 --> 1:52:19.200 not psychological. Psychological damage is obviously very nuanced and deep 1:52:19.479 --> 1:52:22.880 in all of these cases with him. So you'd think 1:52:22.920 --> 1:52:27.240 that this was all gonna ruin Michael Jackson's legacy, but 1:52:28.320 --> 1:52:31.240 his album sales increased following the documentary, Like. 1:52:31.360 --> 1:52:32.920 I think the same thing happened with r Kelly. 1:52:32.920 --> 1:52:35.800 People are sick, but like you know, his his album 1:52:35.880 --> 1:52:40.120 sales increase. Louis Vauton ended a collaboration with Michael Jackson 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:42.960 like his imagery, and I think he lost some kind 1:52:42.960 --> 1:52:45.720 of corporate stuff after this came out, but you know, 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:46.719 he still has. 1:52:46.600 --> 1:52:48.759 A very an estate that's very, very wealthy. 1:52:49.200 --> 1:52:51.439 So in Leaving Neverland, as I said, both of the 1:52:51.439 --> 1:52:55.639 boys describe loving Jackson while and enduring the abuse. They 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:58.679 give graphic description of masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, which 1:52:58.680 --> 1:53:01.640 they claim took place at Neverland Ranch and other locations. 1:53:02.880 --> 1:53:06.320 Robeson and Safechuck claimed that these acts with Michael were 1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:08.920 regarded as romantic and that they did not realize that 1:53:08.960 --> 1:53:14.400 they were inappropriate until adulthood. And Jackson even took safe 1:53:14.479 --> 1:53:17.040 Chuck one time shopping for an engagement ring, and in 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:19.439 the documentary he still has it and he's like kept 1:53:19.439 --> 1:53:23.360 it in a box. So it's complicated the ties that 1:53:23.400 --> 1:53:27.120 these guys have to Michael Jackson. And robes And said 1:53:27.200 --> 1:53:30.400 Jackson told him to distrust women, and both men claimed 1:53:30.400 --> 1:53:32.720 that Jackson tried pushing them away from their families and 1:53:32.840 --> 1:53:36.920 quote unquote brainwashing them. So Jackson allegedly sent these boys 1:53:36.960 --> 1:53:39.160 love letters, so it was definitely a grooming thing, but 1:53:39.200 --> 1:53:42.040 it also seemed like a courtship almost in his mind, 1:53:42.120 --> 1:53:44.479 like he seemed to only focus on one boy at 1:53:44.479 --> 1:53:48.040 a time, so even though, but who knows, I mean, 1:53:48.600 --> 1:53:50.559 we really don't know when he's having these parties with 1:53:50.640 --> 1:53:55.519 multiple boys sleeping over what's happening. Yeah, Like the they 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:57.600 confirmed that there were systems set up at Neverland to 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.559 prevent other people from witnessing these sexual acts, so that 1:54:00.680 --> 1:54:05.640 these guys got their word out in uh, Leaving Neverland. 1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:07.640 But I keep wanting to say finding Neverland, which is 1:54:07.640 --> 1:54:09.880 like a cure, a nightly movie I think. Anyway, Yeah, 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:12.320 a lot of people just thought Wade Robeson's career was 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:14.400 on the fritz and that's why he came out with 1:54:14.439 --> 1:54:16.400 all this and that it's all bullshit, And I. 1:54:17.280 --> 1:54:18.479 Want to you know what I want. 1:54:18.560 --> 1:54:20.439 I would love the people that say that to give 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:24.160 me one example of someone who lied about being raped 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:27.200 and then had a great career, Yeah, or did get raped, 1:54:27.240 --> 1:54:29.280 came forward and every went you know what, let's give 1:54:29.280 --> 1:54:32.320 this bitch a show. I'd love to give one example 1:54:32.400 --> 1:54:34.920 of someone's life who's turned better after coming forward. 1:54:35.400 --> 1:54:38.520 Yeah, And there's just when you're watching it, there's just 1:54:38.600 --> 1:54:41.520 like a there's just I believe them, Like when I'm 1:54:41.520 --> 1:54:44.280 watching them, I just believe them, like they have the 1:54:44.320 --> 1:54:48.360 details they have, like the emotional gravitas, like it's just 1:54:48.440 --> 1:54:51.240 it's all there, like you totally believe them when you're watching. 1:54:51.320 --> 1:54:53.240 And I think that was like what you talk about 1:54:53.240 --> 1:54:56.200 I when I admit with my tail between my legs 1:54:56.200 --> 1:54:58.200 that I was a Michael Jackson apologist for years. I 1:54:58.240 --> 1:55:01.560 think it's because I never heard a child's voice or 1:55:01.960 --> 1:55:05.120 an adult's voice saying what happened. And then seeing this 1:55:05.160 --> 1:55:07.280 documentary where you see people saying this happened to me, 1:55:07.360 --> 1:55:09.240 You're like, oh, I can't How could I have ever 1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:09.760 thought that? 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:11.360 You know, it really changes your mind. 1:55:11.480 --> 1:55:14.000 Well, it's really shocking how many people, because you know, 1:55:14.040 --> 1:55:16.160 we cover so many crimes where it's like, yeah, there 1:55:16.240 --> 1:55:18.480 was evidence the doctor did it and no one believed it. 1:55:18.520 --> 1:55:20.880 Like people don't believe any of this all the time. 1:55:21.360 --> 1:55:24.640 But it's like, are you fucking dune? Like why aren't 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:27.879 you concerned a grown man wants to sleep with children? 1:55:27.960 --> 1:55:33.280 Why aren't you concerned about the lead like the lawsuits 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:36.000 and the settling out of court and so so much 1:55:36.080 --> 1:55:39.240 litigious shit, like why does nothing but. 1:55:39.320 --> 1:55:41.280 A red flag in your face? Like head even if 1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:42.600 you still are like I don't care. 1:55:43.080 --> 1:55:46.920 Maybe maybe, but like to completely disregard all of this 1:55:47.120 --> 1:55:51.240 seems like willfully ignorant. It's just the amount of money 1:55:51.280 --> 1:55:53.560 and the amount of celebrity he had, like just a 1:55:53.640 --> 1:55:56.200 lawyer trying to spin it with like, look, I get 1:55:56.200 --> 1:55:58.280 how this would seem wrong if it was a pedophile, 1:55:58.320 --> 1:56:02.120 but it's Michael Jackson, Like it's it's like I don't 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:04.040 think it's like you said, like I don't even know 1:56:04.080 --> 1:56:06.560 if we have celebrities that are like at this level. 1:56:06.560 --> 1:56:08.240 I mean we do, but they're women, to be honest, 1:56:08.320 --> 1:56:11.320 like Beyonce, Rihanna Gaga, Like, we don't have like a 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:16.160 celebrity who's at this level where they can just hide 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:18.760 all this shit or people just overlook it because they're 1:56:18.840 --> 1:56:20.920 they're mesmerized by the fame. 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:21.520 Like truth. 1:56:21.600 --> 1:56:24.200 Well, yeah, and like I understand why these kids were 1:56:24.240 --> 1:56:27.760 like holy shit, like yeah, I'll do yeah, I'm gonna. 1:56:27.840 --> 1:56:31.440 Like we talk about how priests, teachers, doctor, like all 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:35.040 just regular professions have such impact on children and like 1:56:35.720 --> 1:56:38.920 who they're taught to respect and listen to. And then 1:56:38.960 --> 1:56:41.920 you have the most famous talented man alive on the 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:44.120 planet wanting choosing you. 1:56:44.600 --> 1:56:46.440 They go into this and leaving Neverland. 1:56:46.480 --> 1:56:50.600 I mean, Wade's mother speaks, his sister speaks, his brother, like, 1:56:51.240 --> 1:56:54.240 you know, he estranged them from their father. Like it's 1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:57.440 like he did a lot of diabolical shit to like 1:56:57.600 --> 1:57:02.240 brainwash and groom these kids. And the mom doesn't seem 1:57:02.280 --> 1:57:04.280 like a bad mom in the docks, She's like she 1:57:04.360 --> 1:57:08.240 says that Michael wanted to leave Wade, wanted her to 1:57:08.320 --> 1:57:10.200 leave Wade with him for a year, and she goes, no, 1:57:10.280 --> 1:57:11.760 I'm not going to do that. He's my kid, He's 1:57:11.800 --> 1:57:14.240 seven years old. Why would I do that? And Michael goes, 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:17.120 I always get what I want. And I think they 1:57:17.160 --> 1:57:19.320 figured out. He figured out a way to keep them 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:21.640 both there, like you stay here too, like and so 1:57:21.760 --> 1:57:24.680 the family all stayed. But it's like, yeah, he just 1:57:24.840 --> 1:57:29.160 was powerful in all the ways. And do we and 1:57:29.280 --> 1:57:33.000 evil is what I'm learning today. I think, I really 1:57:33.600 --> 1:57:37.080 I always I sadly. When I was younger, I said, 1:57:37.080 --> 1:57:38.960 I bet he molested the kids, but I don't care. 1:57:39.040 --> 1:57:40.280 I'm sure that's what I was saying. 1:57:40.280 --> 1:57:40.880 If I was like. 1:57:40.840 --> 1:57:43.120 Thinking of high school aged me, like I bet that 1:57:43.120 --> 1:57:44.000 would be my vibe. 1:57:44.800 --> 1:57:46.880 Well, and people were saying he did it because he 1:57:46.960 --> 1:57:49.240 had a hard childhood, or he was probably molested. 1:57:49.280 --> 1:57:51.400 You know, there's excuses all over the place. 1:57:51.560 --> 1:57:56.959 But what I'm learning today is the evil, like the evil, predator, 1:57:57.400 --> 1:58:01.200 predatory nature of him that I think I ignored of, Like, oh, 1:58:01.240 --> 1:58:07.040 he planned this very well. Any updates for Macaulay Culkin, 1:58:07.280 --> 1:58:10.240 Like has he spoken up as an adult? 1:58:10.600 --> 1:58:14.440 He broke his silence apparently around February of twenty twenty, 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:16.480 which is a little bit after the doc came out, 1:58:16.560 --> 1:58:18.840 and said, and this was in an article that I 1:58:18.880 --> 1:58:22.400 found in the Mirror. Look, I never saw him abuse anyone, 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:25.800 and he never abused me, he says, especially at this 1:58:25.880 --> 1:58:28.680 flashpoint in time, I'd have no reason to hold anything back. 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:30.800 If anything, I'm not going to say it would be 1:58:30.840 --> 1:58:33.120 stylish or anything like that, but right now is a 1:58:33.160 --> 1:58:35.120 good time to speak up. And if I had something 1:58:35.160 --> 1:58:37.160 to speak up about, I would totally do it. But no, 1:58:37.280 --> 1:58:40.040 I never saw anything, He never did anything. Part of 1:58:40.080 --> 1:58:44.640 me thought mcaulay Culkin might have too much agency, Like 1:58:44.720 --> 1:58:47.560 he is a child star himself, you know what I mean, 1:58:47.680 --> 1:58:50.520 Like he like that might have been somebody that was 1:58:50.560 --> 1:58:52.680 too public for him, Like none of the other boys 1:58:52.680 --> 1:58:55.120 were super public. You know, they went around with him 1:58:55.160 --> 1:58:57.480 in public, but they weren't famous in their own right, 1:58:57.600 --> 1:59:01.400 you know, so maybe he just thought that's too dangerous 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:03.240 for me to try to do anything with Macaulay culkin. 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:05.800 Yeah, and I'm happy McCully culan was not molested by 1:59:05.840 --> 1:59:09.000 my art, you know, of course, I'm glad for that update. 1:59:10.080 --> 1:59:10.960 Thank you for that. 1:59:11.040 --> 1:59:12.400 I mean, I don't think I'm going to watch the 1:59:12.520 --> 1:59:18.840 doc but this is it's definitely. Yeah, what a calculating, 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:20.200 fucking criminal. 1:59:21.760 --> 1:59:26.440 Yeah, and I mean hopefully we don't let this kind 1:59:26.480 --> 1:59:28.840 of thing ever happen in the future. Like I don't 1:59:28.840 --> 1:59:31.520 know hopefully if there's ever, but you know, history repeats 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:32.640 itself all the damn time. 1:59:33.200 --> 1:59:33.800 Yeah, I don't. 1:59:33.920 --> 1:59:36.480 I can't think of a celebrity that's just like traveling 1:59:36.480 --> 1:59:38.760 around with kids, and we know that kids sleep over 1:59:38.800 --> 1:59:42.680 at their house. But definitely the molesting of it all 1:59:42.720 --> 1:59:46.040 and abusing is happening, you know. I mean R Kelly 1:59:46.080 --> 1:59:49.120 should be in prison, Chris Brown should be in prison, 1:59:49.320 --> 1:59:50.880 t I should be in prison. 1:59:51.160 --> 1:59:51.920 I mean, I don't know. 1:59:52.600 --> 1:59:58.640 Yeah, Roman Plansky's up to no good again. There's like 1:59:58.680 --> 2:00:01.280 a fourth VICTI like he was in the recently raped 2:00:01.280 --> 2:00:02.200 another young girl. 2:00:02.520 --> 2:00:05.120 I mean, whatever, let's get to our guest. 2:00:05.400 --> 2:00:08.960 It's a pretty momentous occasion for Kara and I today. 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:14.200 Yes, we're really excited about today's guests, so stay tuned. 2:00:22.240 --> 2:00:25.600 This week's guest has appeared on so many iconic shows, 2:00:25.640 --> 2:00:29.600 The Sopranos, Law and Order, Original Recipe, House of Cards, 2:00:30.280 --> 2:00:33.520 and she recently appeared on Dash and Lily. 2:00:33.640 --> 2:00:36.440 This woman is working and booked. 2:00:36.600 --> 2:00:39.160 We love her and you guys know her very well 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:44.200 from her multiple episodes on SVU as defense attorney Cleoconrad. 2:00:44.680 --> 2:00:47.760 Guys are thrilling chat with Jill Marie Lawrence. 2:00:48.560 --> 2:00:52.040 We cannot believe we are with the Cleo Conrad. 2:00:52.720 --> 2:00:53.200 This is. 2:00:55.280 --> 2:00:56.480 A very huge day. 2:00:56.680 --> 2:01:00.600 You're our first defense attorney we've ever had on the podcast. 2:01:00.800 --> 2:01:02.840 So welcome, Thank you, thank you. 2:01:03.240 --> 2:01:05.200 Yeah. I think I would be calling you if I 2:01:05.200 --> 2:01:07.360 did it, if I committed the murder, I'd be calling you. 2:01:10.600 --> 2:01:12.720 Not that I've done anything, but just you know, in 2:01:12.760 --> 2:01:13.200 the event. 2:01:14.200 --> 2:01:20.040 How much do you think Cleo Konrad charged for her services? 2:01:20.080 --> 2:01:22.280 Probably four hundred and twenty dollars an hour? 2:01:23.120 --> 2:01:26.960 Okay, okay for twenty an hour? Love thaty? Is this 2:01:27.080 --> 2:01:30.920 a clue that she's a pothead? Not quite? 2:01:31.080 --> 2:01:34.720 Not quite? 2:01:35.920 --> 2:01:38.720 Love it, So obviously we want to talk to you 2:01:38.760 --> 2:01:40.680 about like your whole tenure on the show, because you've 2:01:40.680 --> 2:01:43.000 been on a ton of episodes. But this specific episode 2:01:43.000 --> 2:01:45.480 today that your interview is a part of is Sick, 2:01:45.560 --> 2:01:48.360 which is you know, it's commonly referred to as the 2:01:48.400 --> 2:01:49.760 Michael Jackson episode. 2:01:50.320 --> 2:01:52.640 And I was wondering, like when you were on set 2:01:52.680 --> 2:01:53.000 doing it. 2:01:53.000 --> 2:01:54.600 Where people kind of like, oh, yeah, this is a 2:01:54.640 --> 2:01:57.280 Michael Jackson episode, Like would people talk about it when 2:01:57.280 --> 2:01:58.800 it was based on something real like that? 2:01:59.080 --> 2:02:02.200 You know, I didn't hear banter or talk about so 2:02:02.280 --> 2:02:06.160 much as Michael Jackson. But you know, I was telling 2:02:06.440 --> 2:02:09.160 an Alisa yesterday that I was having a hard time 2:02:09.240 --> 2:02:12.600 trying to I did so many episodes, so I forgot 2:02:12.680 --> 2:02:14.760 exactly what Sick was about. But when I saw it 2:02:14.800 --> 2:02:18.880 again early early, early, early this morning, that episode was 2:02:18.920 --> 2:02:24.000 appropriately titled. It definitely was. So there was something so 2:02:24.000 --> 2:02:28.360 so twisted and sick about it. Yeah, what what actually 2:02:28.400 --> 2:02:34.000 went down with? You know, the adults involved, particularly Grandma. 2:02:35.040 --> 2:02:37.640 I loved working with the. 2:02:37.480 --> 2:02:39.880 Actress Cindy Williams from Laverna. 2:02:40.520 --> 2:02:42.800 Surely, Yeah, I was so delighted to work with her. 2:02:43.840 --> 2:02:47.240 But she was so that that character she portrayed was 2:02:47.280 --> 2:02:48.000 so sick. 2:02:48.400 --> 2:02:49.919 It was so much twisted. 2:02:49.880 --> 2:02:53.040 It was so twisted, you know, unlike what I what 2:02:53.120 --> 2:02:56.560 we have the world, you know, had seen previously on 2:02:56.680 --> 2:02:59.680 lavernessh Early. So I mean, I'm always I was when 2:02:59.720 --> 2:03:01.400 I was on that show. I was on that show 2:03:01.560 --> 2:03:06.160 nine seasons. That's you know, that's a long time, you know, recurring, recurring. 2:03:06.920 --> 2:03:09.760 But I was always defending some pedophile or some freak 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:10.480 of some kind. 2:03:11.560 --> 2:03:16.880 Yes, you represented like a murdering child, like a bunch 2:03:16.880 --> 2:03:20.160 of rich kids who won't stop drinking, like all these 2:03:20.640 --> 2:03:22.880 like a guy who was inseminating his own daughter. 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:24.680 I mean, you had a lot of really. 2:03:24.400 --> 2:03:27.240 Crazy clients, That's what I'm saying. I feel like I 2:03:27.280 --> 2:03:29.360 would hire you if I did something wrong, because like 2:03:29.360 --> 2:03:30.760 you'll take the case, you know. 2:03:32.360 --> 2:03:37.480 Yeah, I mean I mean really from the Yeah, all kinds, 2:03:37.520 --> 2:03:40.280 all kinds, from the router to the tutors, as my 2:03:40.360 --> 2:03:43.000 grandmother would say, from the router to the tutor, all kinds, 2:03:43.160 --> 2:03:46.640 all yeah, all kinds. Well, you know what, when you're litigating, 2:03:46.920 --> 2:03:48.880 you know, the first thirty minutes of the show is 2:03:48.920 --> 2:03:52.480 always detective, we're probing, and then the last thirty minutes 2:03:52.560 --> 2:03:57.720 is always litigating court scenes, interrogation rooms, if you're if 2:03:57.760 --> 2:04:00.240 you're you know, an attorney, you you really need to 2:04:00.280 --> 2:04:03.840 know what you're talking about, what you're defending. And I 2:04:04.000 --> 2:04:07.440 had no idea that I had to take on so 2:04:07.640 --> 2:04:13.960 much medical lingo jargon and like modochondrial DNA or Munchausen 2:04:14.360 --> 2:04:17.720 or familiar familiar DNA. 2:04:18.120 --> 2:04:19.080 And it's so relevant. 2:04:19.160 --> 2:04:20.960 It's so relevant in all of the cases that you 2:04:21.000 --> 2:04:24.520 see on television today, in the media, in the news, 2:04:24.960 --> 2:04:29.360 how people are nailed, how people are found guilty, how 2:04:29.440 --> 2:04:33.200 some people are vindicated. So it was a big learning 2:04:33.280 --> 2:04:35.920 curve for me, not only as an actress, but just 2:04:36.520 --> 2:04:41.080 understanding the dynamics of how the judicial system moves and 2:04:41.440 --> 2:04:44.480 you know, what terms they make and how they have 2:04:44.640 --> 2:04:49.040 to you know, really go into defending somebody. 2:04:49.640 --> 2:04:51.960 That's really interesting because I didn't even think about the 2:04:51.960 --> 2:04:52.600 medical stuff. 2:04:52.600 --> 2:04:53.880 But you do have to know a lot of that. 2:04:53.920 --> 2:04:55.720 Because I was going to ask you, how was learning 2:04:55.760 --> 2:04:57.800 all of the legal jargon, but you probably had to 2:04:57.880 --> 2:05:00.840 learn a bunch of legal stuff and bunch of you know, 2:05:01.040 --> 2:05:02.200 medical stuff too. 2:05:02.160 --> 2:05:05.360 Yeah, because it has to make sense, you know, when 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:08.240 you're when you're trying to fight tooth and nail or 2:05:08.240 --> 2:05:08.640 trying to. 2:05:09.440 --> 2:05:10.200 You're litigating. 2:05:10.400 --> 2:05:12.880 You have to pose your argument, and you got to 2:05:12.960 --> 2:05:16.440 make it make sense, and you gotta believe or make 2:05:16.520 --> 2:05:19.440 them believe what you're saying and what you're talking about. 2:05:19.800 --> 2:05:22.840 So yeah, it's it's you know, that's how I learned 2:05:22.840 --> 2:05:26.000 so much about medical terms. I mean, it's been a while, 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:29.600 so I can't say I retained everything. But when I 2:05:29.640 --> 2:05:32.000 see some, when I see some, when I watch some 2:05:32.040 --> 2:05:37.320 of hey, listen, ladies, when I watch some of the marathons, 2:05:39.480 --> 2:05:41.200 you know, it comes back at you. It comes, it 2:05:41.200 --> 2:05:41.880 comes back to you. 2:05:42.520 --> 2:05:43.320 That's amazing. 2:05:43.720 --> 2:05:46.640 Well, so you watched Sick this morning to prep but 2:05:46.680 --> 2:05:49.160 are there because you are in some of the more heinous, 2:05:49.520 --> 2:05:52.200 wild episodes. Are there any that have stuck with you 2:05:52.400 --> 2:05:55.600 all of these years that you're like, oh, that one 2:05:55.720 --> 2:05:56.160 was rough? 2:05:56.320 --> 2:06:00.760 Yeah, one of one. One episode was uh rooftop. 2:06:01.400 --> 2:06:06.480 That one was about a bunch of rapes taking place 2:06:07.000 --> 2:06:10.080 on the rooftop of buildings. And every once in a 2:06:10.160 --> 2:06:12.680 while I run into the actor that I defended in 2:06:12.720 --> 2:06:14.520 that episode, and that was a pretty That was a 2:06:14.560 --> 2:06:16.720 pretty hot episode. 2:06:17.120 --> 2:06:20.480 The other one you were in that is really rough 2:06:20.520 --> 2:06:23.240 as Burned, the one with Blair Underwood. 2:06:23.120 --> 2:06:26.240 That was the one where he assaulted his wife and 2:06:26.280 --> 2:06:28.760 then there was all this back and forth. Yeah, she said, 2:06:28.800 --> 2:06:30.760 and then he covered her in lighter fluid and set 2:06:30.800 --> 2:06:31.839 her on bire That's. 2:06:31.720 --> 2:06:32.600 Right, that's right. 2:06:32.760 --> 2:06:32.960 Yeah. 2:06:33.240 --> 2:06:36.480 And Blair's so sweet, he's such a nice guy. Yeah, 2:06:38.400 --> 2:06:40.840 that would do something doing something so horrible. 2:06:41.320 --> 2:06:44.000 Yeah, but some of the guests, Yeah. 2:06:43.840 --> 2:06:45.640 Some of the guest stars when they would come on, 2:06:45.760 --> 2:06:49.320 and I guess it would be a golden opportunity for 2:06:49.360 --> 2:06:51.480 them to kind of sink their teeth into something so 2:06:51.640 --> 2:06:56.680 gory and kind of grimy, because they're like like Cindy 2:06:56.720 --> 2:07:00.920 Williams and Blair Underwood. You see them, and you have 2:07:01.000 --> 2:07:04.040 seen them previously in a in a different light. But 2:07:04.200 --> 2:07:06.880 then when you come on to the show Law and Order, 2:07:07.040 --> 2:07:09.560 and Law and Order, I don't know if you aesthetically 2:07:09.560 --> 2:07:12.480 picked up on it, but even the lighting is kind 2:07:12.520 --> 2:07:15.640 of dungeony, you know, with that show, because they just 2:07:15.840 --> 2:07:18.080 want to make sure that you know, it's not a 2:07:18.280 --> 2:07:21.760 it's not a glamour and you know, glitzy show. It's 2:07:21.800 --> 2:07:24.240 it's a show that's kind of very guttural and very 2:07:24.480 --> 2:07:28.200 grimy almost with this with the cases and the topic 2:07:28.240 --> 2:07:30.800 and the subject matters, and they just really want to 2:07:30.840 --> 2:07:34.400 stay focused on the storyline at hand, and it's not 2:07:34.520 --> 2:07:36.080 about you know, it's not about glamour. 2:07:36.160 --> 2:07:40.920 It's not you know, not trying to be Stolin. You're 2:07:40.960 --> 2:07:43.520 not trying to stylin profile on that show, you know. 2:07:44.960 --> 2:07:48.600 But your character addressed well, she put some looks together 2:07:48.640 --> 2:07:49.320 in the courtroom. 2:07:49.640 --> 2:07:51.880 Yeah, yeah, you know, and they were they were kind 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:52.440 of gracious. 2:07:52.520 --> 2:07:55.160 They were gracious with me about about you know, it 2:07:55.200 --> 2:07:57.480 was it was a great It was a great family 2:07:57.520 --> 2:07:59.680 to work with. And you know what, that's what I 2:07:59.720 --> 2:08:02.400 felt like I was coming on board with was a 2:08:02.400 --> 2:08:05.320 family because they treated you as such, you know, and 2:08:05.800 --> 2:08:07.520 that was that was a lot of fun. They let 2:08:07.520 --> 2:08:10.080 me also do funky things with my hair too, and 2:08:10.200 --> 2:08:11.240 I really appreciate it. 2:08:11.280 --> 2:08:13.440 I was going to ask you about that. Oh yeah, 2:08:13.480 --> 2:08:15.080 they let me give it fun. You have like a 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:18.760 different cool style every season. And I was going to ask. 2:08:18.600 --> 2:08:20.440 You, like, was that all you like or was hair 2:08:20.440 --> 2:08:22.040 and makeup involved or were you just like, no, this 2:08:22.120 --> 2:08:23.960 is what I'm doing these days, you know what. 2:08:24.040 --> 2:08:27.680 Hair and makeup was involved, more makeup, but my hair 2:08:29.240 --> 2:08:32.240 I changed it up and they they went with it. 2:08:32.280 --> 2:08:34.800 They one year, I think I had a buzz cut. 2:08:34.880 --> 2:08:37.160 The Sick episode is the one that I had the 2:08:37.200 --> 2:08:40.080 buzz cut with, and I was a little paranoid about 2:08:40.080 --> 2:08:42.320 it because I thought that my barber had cut too 2:08:42.440 --> 2:08:43.000 much off. 2:08:43.240 --> 2:08:45.040 But they let me. Yes, they let me. 2:08:45.080 --> 2:08:46.760 Kind of run the gamut with my hair, and that 2:08:46.920 --> 2:08:48.000 was That was fun. 2:08:48.240 --> 2:08:48.840 That was fun. 2:08:49.600 --> 2:08:51.880 That's really nice because we heard from we heard from 2:08:51.920 --> 2:08:55.080 Diane Neial that they like, you know, made her wear 2:08:55.160 --> 2:08:57.280 wigs and like dye her hair and do all this 2:08:57.360 --> 2:08:57.800 other stuff. 2:08:57.840 --> 2:09:00.640 So that's cool that they were letting you. That's interesting. 2:09:00.760 --> 2:09:04.480 Do you yeah, that's interesting. I Oh, I didn't know that. 2:09:04.600 --> 2:09:06.960 I didn't. Well, the times I worked with her, that 2:09:07.080 --> 2:09:08.480 was I. I don't think she had on anyone. 2:09:08.560 --> 2:09:09.160 I think it was her. 2:09:09.240 --> 2:09:11.440 Yeah, I think it was her earlier seasons that she 2:09:11.520 --> 2:09:13.720 wore a wig a little bit right or and then 2:09:13.840 --> 2:09:16.360 later she like or she because she was telling us 2:09:16.360 --> 2:09:18.200 she had like very tight braids on under the wig 2:09:18.200 --> 2:09:19.760 that were like making her brain break. 2:09:20.840 --> 2:09:23.760 But I wanted to ask you a quick question. 2:09:24.240 --> 2:09:26.800 This is specific to the Sick episode, but it's also 2:09:26.840 --> 2:09:29.480 something you do in other episodes in all these scenes 2:09:29.480 --> 2:09:32.680 where like you whisper something to your client, like because 2:09:32.720 --> 2:09:34.960 you whisper something to Cindy when you guys kind of 2:09:34.960 --> 2:09:37.360 realize that she's got got and you do that in 2:09:37.400 --> 2:09:38.640 a couple of other courtroom scenes. 2:09:38.680 --> 2:09:41.640 Because I watched all your episodes recently, are you ever 2:09:41.680 --> 2:09:44.240 saying anything real as an actor? Are you saying anything real? 2:09:44.400 --> 2:09:46.680 Or are you just going like what do you know 2:09:46.800 --> 2:09:48.080 when you're whispering aesthetically? 2:09:48.120 --> 2:09:50.800 I'm just we're just going with the moment of what's 2:09:50.800 --> 2:09:55.880 integral to what's happening. And you know that particular scene 2:09:56.960 --> 2:10:01.640 with her, she you know, she dropped the bombshells. She well, 2:10:01.720 --> 2:10:06.480 she basically was caught, she was busted by what Diane 2:10:06.560 --> 2:10:09.800 Neil said to her. So it just only seemed, you know, 2:10:09.840 --> 2:10:13.080 it was a seamless transition moment to just lean over 2:10:13.160 --> 2:10:16.120 to her and say, listen, I think we need to 2:10:16.120 --> 2:10:20.120 cut a deal here, because yeah, you know, you know, you've. 2:10:19.720 --> 2:10:21.960 Just been busted, my dear, You've just been busting you know. 2:10:22.080 --> 2:10:25.440 So at times, you know, they allow us to go 2:10:25.600 --> 2:10:29.440 into that moment because it's just it seems only logical 2:10:29.600 --> 2:10:33.560 when you know, if the person the purp has done 2:10:33.560 --> 2:10:36.680 something and they've been busted, it's like, well, okay, well 2:10:36.720 --> 2:10:37.040 at this. 2:10:37.040 --> 2:10:39.400 Point, we need to go into negotiating something here. 2:10:39.760 --> 2:10:43.280 Yeah, so that's yes, that that usually kind of just worked. 2:10:43.440 --> 2:10:47.480 It works its way in that moment in Yeah. 2:10:46.440 --> 2:10:49.040 Who were the people where when you saw the script 2:10:49.320 --> 2:10:51.840 and you saw who was coming in or what judge 2:10:51.840 --> 2:10:54.720 it was, or which detectives you were working with, that 2:10:54.760 --> 2:10:57.000 you were like, Oh, tonight's going to be a great day, 2:10:57.160 --> 2:10:59.760 or oh, I can't wait to work with this person. 2:11:00.120 --> 2:11:03.680 Any any particular people you enjoyed working with. 2:11:03.800 --> 2:11:08.760 Well, every every episode was always exciting in some way, 2:11:08.800 --> 2:11:12.400 shape or form. I will say that I have worked 2:11:12.400 --> 2:11:15.920 with a few legends. One of one was I think 2:11:15.960 --> 2:11:19.400 my last episode, my last episode with them was with 2:11:19.520 --> 2:11:27.360 Jerry Lewis, And yeah, Jerry Lewis is goofy and funny 2:11:28.240 --> 2:11:29.400 episode he was. 2:11:30.000 --> 2:11:32.840 He was so so much fun to work with. 2:11:33.560 --> 2:11:36.400 And at one point I want to say that Jerry 2:11:36.480 --> 2:11:39.480 Lewis was probably I want to say he was in 2:11:39.520 --> 2:11:42.640 his mid to late seventies. He was in his mid 2:11:42.680 --> 2:11:47.400 to late seventies in that particular episode, and you know, 2:11:47.480 --> 2:11:52.000 he kept experiencing a hiccup with one particular speech, and 2:11:52.040 --> 2:11:54.960 sometimes that happens as an actor, you know, you're trying 2:11:55.000 --> 2:11:58.760 to establish a flow with your delivery, and he kept 2:11:58.760 --> 2:12:02.520 experiencing hiccups and I think I think even memory was 2:12:02.840 --> 2:12:03.920 maybe even an issue. 2:12:03.920 --> 2:12:08.360 So they said, well, let's pause, and we took maybe. 2:12:08.160 --> 2:12:11.120 About a I want to say we took about a 2:12:11.160 --> 2:12:15.440 sixteen seven maybe twenty minute break and we came back 2:12:15.520 --> 2:12:20.040 and he was sharp as a blade, on point with everything, 2:12:20.080 --> 2:12:22.320 and it was it was kind of like a lengthy speech, 2:12:22.800 --> 2:12:25.000 but you could tell that he had been you know, 2:12:25.040 --> 2:12:28.040 he had been at this game for quite a long time. 2:12:28.600 --> 2:12:31.520 And I think, you know sometimes that the actor, we 2:12:31.640 --> 2:12:34.280 have to work through what we're saying. 2:12:34.600 --> 2:12:36.960 And that's great. 2:12:37.240 --> 2:12:39.480 Yeah. Yeah, you got to defend a lot of a 2:12:39.520 --> 2:12:43.960 lot of celebs like Titus Welliver, Estella, Warren Britney, snow Blair, 2:12:44.040 --> 2:12:46.520 underwo who we mentioned, Erica Christiansen. You'd had a lot 2:12:46.560 --> 2:12:48.040 of get you got a lot of face time with 2:12:48.080 --> 2:12:48.720 the celebs. 2:12:49.080 --> 2:12:51.960 You are absolutely right. There's so many that I that 2:12:52.040 --> 2:12:54.640 I did work with Titus. Wow, Titus has come a 2:12:54.680 --> 2:12:55.360 long way too. 2:12:55.720 --> 2:12:56.120 Wow. 2:12:56.720 --> 2:13:00.920 Yeah, Karen's a big fan of Titus. 2:13:01.520 --> 2:13:04.480 I like, oh Titus is He's like. 2:13:04.440 --> 2:13:05.160 The real deal. 2:13:05.400 --> 2:13:10.839 Yeah yeah, and he uh that episode. He's also goofy 2:13:10.880 --> 2:13:13.520 and funny too. He's a lot of fun. He's he's 2:13:13.560 --> 2:13:16.040 as good to know. Like when I when I've walked 2:13:16.080 --> 2:13:18.280 up on the set and I saw Titus, I said, oh, 2:13:18.360 --> 2:13:21.720 this is the tightest okay, we're gonna have We're gonna 2:13:21.720 --> 2:13:23.640 have fun with this episode. 2:13:24.160 --> 2:13:27.120 Because he's a lot of fun and I wish him 2:13:27.120 --> 2:13:28.040 so much. I wish him. 2:13:28.080 --> 2:13:32.480 Well, well, I'm wondering, how do people stop you on 2:13:32.520 --> 2:13:32.960 the street. 2:13:33.520 --> 2:13:35.960 Yeah, I have been stopped on the street at a 2:13:36.000 --> 2:13:38.400 time or two. I've even been stopped on the street 2:13:38.440 --> 2:13:40.400 when I didn't even have on my war paint and. 2:13:40.360 --> 2:13:44.360 They walked and they recognized him, and I was like, wow. 2:13:45.040 --> 2:13:46.560 I was down in the village one day, me and 2:13:46.640 --> 2:13:49.120 my sister, we were hanging out and I didn't have 2:13:49.200 --> 2:13:52.520 any war paint on that day, and oh, I know, 2:13:52.720 --> 2:13:53.600 I know who you are. 2:13:54.040 --> 2:13:54.840 I know who you are. 2:13:55.560 --> 2:13:57.960 I want your autograph, but I'm like, I'm not, I'm 2:13:58.000 --> 2:14:00.200 not like one of the famous ones. I still don't 2:14:00.200 --> 2:14:01.680 want your autograph. 2:14:01.240 --> 2:14:01.440 You know. 2:14:01.920 --> 2:14:07.720 So that happens, Yeah, that happens. That's so funny. Yeah, 2:14:07.760 --> 2:14:09.920 But my time there was wonderful. It was really great, 2:14:10.080 --> 2:14:12.800 and I learned so much. I learned a great deal. 2:14:13.680 --> 2:14:16.640 You had to go up against the DA the eighty 2:14:16.720 --> 2:14:18.720 as a lot. So like a lot of your episodes, 2:14:18.760 --> 2:14:21.280 you're either going up against Cabot or Novak. 2:14:22.160 --> 2:14:25.200 Yeah, I went up against them, uh quite a bit, 2:14:25.840 --> 2:14:31.080 and both the sharp actresses, and I learned a great 2:14:31.120 --> 2:14:34.320 deal from working with both of them. They were very giving, 2:14:34.880 --> 2:14:37.120 very very you know when I got when I first 2:14:37.120 --> 2:14:37.720 got there. 2:14:37.560 --> 2:14:41.760 They embraced me and they were very very giving actors. 2:14:42.160 --> 2:14:43.120 And that was fun. 2:14:43.520 --> 2:14:46.320 Even if you would go up against them, it was 2:14:46.440 --> 2:14:48.520 it was fun working with them in that fashion. 2:14:48.680 --> 2:14:49.240 It was fun. 2:14:50.440 --> 2:14:52.920 What are there things did you learn? You mentioned you 2:14:53.000 --> 2:14:55.400 learned a lot with your time there. 2:14:56.920 --> 2:14:59.760 Well, I learned how you got to be on point 2:15:00.440 --> 2:15:06.160 when the writing changes. Sometimes the writing can change within 2:15:06.240 --> 2:15:09.120 a rehearsal, you know, because I was fresh out of 2:15:09.120 --> 2:15:12.840 school when I when I got on board with them, 2:15:13.200 --> 2:15:17.600 and I learned a lot more with the medium of 2:15:18.200 --> 2:15:22.960 film and TV because I was I'm conservatory trained, and 2:15:23.600 --> 2:15:27.960 you know, we certainly focused on the craft of acting. 2:15:28.360 --> 2:15:32.400 But when you get actually on the set week to week, 2:15:33.080 --> 2:15:35.640 month to month, you couldn't go to any university or 2:15:35.680 --> 2:15:39.320 any conservatory training program and get the kind of experience 2:15:39.360 --> 2:15:41.560 that you have when you get right there on the set. 2:15:41.720 --> 2:15:44.960 So I learned a lot about the legal and judicial system. 2:15:45.320 --> 2:15:49.520 I learned a lot about, as I said earlier, medical terms, 2:15:49.640 --> 2:15:54.760 medical jargon. I learned a lot about even media, how 2:15:55.120 --> 2:15:59.440 cases are presented, how the news and the media can 2:15:59.520 --> 2:16:05.720 really highlight something that is very disturbing. I learned a 2:16:05.760 --> 2:16:11.160 lot from various different avenues so much. And nine years 2:16:11.240 --> 2:16:14.320 is as I said, nine seasons, that's a long time. 2:16:14.640 --> 2:16:21.120 I cultivated some relationships of working with people, and I 2:16:21.160 --> 2:16:27.600 think the biggest takeaway for me was learning the mechanics 2:16:28.360 --> 2:16:30.120 of the judicial system. 2:16:30.720 --> 2:16:35.480 Yeah. I learned a lot about that from SVU, yeah sad, 2:16:36.080 --> 2:16:37.240 from watching you guys. 2:16:37.879 --> 2:16:39.680 Yeah Yeah. 2:16:39.720 --> 2:16:42.400 And you started out on the show like really pretty early. 2:16:42.480 --> 2:16:45.600 I mean season three, you start out as Cleoconrad, and 2:16:45.640 --> 2:16:49.000 then you're on there through season nine, so kind of 2:16:49.040 --> 2:16:52.160 as the show is gaining in its popularity, did you 2:16:52.240 --> 2:16:55.280 notice anything like different like change as you would come 2:16:55.320 --> 2:16:58.600 back to set, like season overseason, like any differences from 2:16:58.600 --> 2:16:59.400 like three to nine. 2:17:00.480 --> 2:17:05.320 The show definitely was picking up momentum. I would probably 2:17:05.360 --> 2:17:09.480 say that the one main thing I definitely noticed was 2:17:10.640 --> 2:17:16.520 how they decided to extract so much from real newsworthy 2:17:17.000 --> 2:17:21.160 things that I think that really grew over time. 2:17:22.000 --> 2:17:23.040 I'm gonna be honest with you. 2:17:23.120 --> 2:17:28.000 I think that's what's made the Law and Order as franchise, 2:17:28.320 --> 2:17:31.520 you know, last as long as it has is because 2:17:32.320 --> 2:17:36.040 most of these stories, if not all, are really extracted 2:17:36.040 --> 2:17:40.160 from real news stories, and I think that's what keeps 2:17:40.160 --> 2:17:43.800 it so relevant. And I don't think it was like 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:46.960 that at the very beginning. I think as time went 2:17:47.040 --> 2:17:51.959 on and as they grew, because everybody grew, everybody grew, everybody. 2:17:51.600 --> 2:17:53.240 Blossomed, even the producers. 2:17:53.280 --> 2:17:57.280 They had their own discoveries in the process of producing. 2:17:57.920 --> 2:18:03.280 And I think over time that how it became as 2:18:03.280 --> 2:18:04.560 successful as it has been. 2:18:05.320 --> 2:18:09.360 Speaking of producers, Neil Bar has been a returned guest 2:18:09.520 --> 2:18:13.400 on our podcast. Did you get to work with Neil 2:18:13.440 --> 2:18:16.000 bar and enjoy him as much as we do? 2:18:16.280 --> 2:18:18.440 I did? I learned so much. 2:18:18.520 --> 2:18:22.400 I really did. I learned so much. I consider myself 2:18:22.440 --> 2:18:26.400 one of the lucky ones. I've even had dignitaries come 2:18:26.440 --> 2:18:29.320 to me and say, well, God rest his soul. 2:18:29.400 --> 2:18:30.200 He has passed on. 2:18:30.320 --> 2:18:34.440 But David Dinkins, who was once the Mayor of New 2:18:34.520 --> 2:18:38.560 York City, he said one of his career aspirations and 2:18:38.680 --> 2:18:41.320 dreams was to come on the show and be a judge. 2:18:41.560 --> 2:18:48.039 I said, really, He said yeah, yeah. I mean many 2:18:48.320 --> 2:18:51.959 many people would be enchanted and take the light in 2:18:52.000 --> 2:18:54.000 that opportunity, and I'm just so glad I did. 2:18:54.760 --> 2:18:57.959 Yeah, if you were to come back to SVU, like 2:18:58.040 --> 2:19:01.400 season twenty four twenty five, would you want to reprise 2:19:01.440 --> 2:19:03.520 your role as Cleoconrad or would you want to come 2:19:03.520 --> 2:19:04.520 back as somebody different? 2:19:05.800 --> 2:19:06.160 I would? 2:19:06.680 --> 2:19:09.720 You know what I would take delight in in in 2:19:09.800 --> 2:19:11.400 the invite period. 2:19:11.800 --> 2:19:13.640 It's a it's a great it's a great show to 2:19:13.680 --> 2:19:14.280 be a part of. 2:19:15.120 --> 2:19:19.199 And I would I would embrace Uh, I would embrace it. Surely, 2:19:19.320 --> 2:19:21.879 I certainly would embrace it. It's they're a family, and 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:23.840 they were they were great. They were good to me. 2:19:24.000 --> 2:19:29.840 I love them. The pieces and doing doing Cleo Conrad 2:19:30.560 --> 2:19:34.640 or or something there other. You know, I'm an actor, 2:19:34.720 --> 2:19:38.320 so I'm I'm required to do whatever, you know, I'm 2:19:38.400 --> 2:19:39.080 asked to do. 2:19:39.400 --> 2:19:41.959 I tell people I do everything but porn. 2:19:43.720 --> 2:19:44.320 Pretty much. 2:19:44.400 --> 2:19:49.000 You know, that's pretty that's pretty much my situation, you know. 2:19:49.920 --> 2:19:52.520 But yeah, I let me take delight in that. Absolutely. 2:19:53.879 --> 2:19:56.720 Do you have any projects coming up that you want 2:19:56.720 --> 2:20:00.920 our audience to sort of look out for or I 2:20:00.959 --> 2:20:02.600 know it's been a rough pandemic. 2:20:02.959 --> 2:20:05.240 I just want the audience to be on the lookout 2:20:05.280 --> 2:20:08.240 for me in general period. I don't have any he set. 2:20:08.640 --> 2:20:10.959 I do not have any set project, you know what. 2:20:11.040 --> 2:20:13.920 The last year and a half, Ladies has been busy 2:20:14.000 --> 2:20:19.039 with Vos voiceovers, animation gigs. 2:20:19.920 --> 2:20:20.600 But I'm ready. 2:20:20.640 --> 2:20:24.120 I'm just I'm ready to you know, take on the 2:20:24.160 --> 2:20:26.959 next project. I'm certainly looking forward to it. 2:20:27.480 --> 2:20:28.280 But look to see me. 2:20:28.720 --> 2:20:31.080 We will be looking out. We will be looking out 2:20:31.120 --> 2:20:31.760 for sure. 2:20:35.440 --> 2:20:36.280 That was incredible. 2:20:36.320 --> 2:20:38.600 It's always just a level of excitement when we get 2:20:38.640 --> 2:20:41.480 a cast member that like can't be replicated or anything 2:20:41.560 --> 2:20:44.360 like that. It's just like beyond to have someone that's 2:20:44.560 --> 2:20:47.080 and remembers and has so many good stories. I mean, 2:20:47.080 --> 2:20:48.880 that was like a thrill of a lifetime. We've been 2:20:48.879 --> 2:20:51.240 wanting to get her on for a while. 2:20:51.720 --> 2:20:54.760 So yeah, yeah, I was so happy she's at the time, 2:20:55.040 --> 2:20:58.520 and just you can tell like that she trained it 2:20:58.560 --> 2:21:01.720 a conservatory, like she has so much like gravitas when 2:21:01.720 --> 2:21:03.720 she talks on the show, you know what I mean. 2:21:03.920 --> 2:21:06.160 Like I just sat down with like a group of 2:21:06.200 --> 2:21:08.360 people and I was like, oh, what have you guys 2:21:08.360 --> 2:21:11.840 been talking about they got a bar and they were like. 2:21:11.760 --> 2:21:13.879 Oh, we're talking about the douche ist schools. 2:21:14.720 --> 2:21:17.680 And I went, oh, like colleges, and then I went, well, Duke, duh, 2:21:17.680 --> 2:21:19.680 And then everyone started laughing. There was someone from the 2:21:19.760 --> 2:21:24.320 Duke Business School. But like you must know, it's the 2:21:24.400 --> 2:21:26.600 number one. That's the number one douche that comes to 2:21:26.640 --> 2:21:27.080 my head. 2:21:27.760 --> 2:21:29.320 Really, yeah, what about you? 2:21:30.040 --> 2:21:32.520 I mean I went to a douche school, so it's 2:21:32.640 --> 2:21:35.000 kind of tough. Like I one of the summerhouse guys 2:21:35.040 --> 2:21:37.560 went to my college. Tucker Carlson went to my college. 2:21:37.600 --> 2:21:39.480 Like a lot of douches went to my college. 2:21:39.680 --> 2:21:40.600 Oh wow. 2:21:40.640 --> 2:21:43.360 But like I would say, you can't talk to somebody 2:21:43.360 --> 2:21:45.959 from Harvard without them letting you know within three minutes 2:21:45.959 --> 2:21:47.880 that they went to Harvard, you know. But I mean, 2:21:47.920 --> 2:21:51.879 if you're talking about like more bro douche culture, I 2:21:51.959 --> 2:21:54.840 don't know Duke is a good one. I mean I 2:21:54.879 --> 2:21:57.720 think of Northeastern schools like more that comes to mind 2:21:57.760 --> 2:22:01.200 more quickly, but like or I guess like University of 2:22:01.360 --> 2:22:04.959 Boulder or whatever, like yeah, like there's some like of 2:22:04.959 --> 2:22:08.040 these or like Arizona I think is probably pretty douchey, 2:22:08.080 --> 2:22:10.160 like University of Arizona. I'm sorry if you went to 2:22:10.240 --> 2:22:12.600 these schools, but I'm sure you're gonna message me some 2:22:12.640 --> 2:22:13.720 of you and say, this is. 2:22:13.680 --> 2:22:16.160 Just a conversation. It doesn't mean everyone's a douche there. 2:22:16.200 --> 2:22:18.440 But what is the douchey play? No, I just fully 2:22:18.480 --> 2:22:20.920 admitted that I went to a douche school. But I'm saying, 2:22:20.959 --> 2:22:22.240 like if you're talking about. 2:22:22.000 --> 2:22:25.680 Like frat boy behavior or entitlement, I mean there's like 2:22:25.800 --> 2:22:28.440 levels of douche you know, Like I wouldn't say all 2:22:28.440 --> 2:22:30.320 the kids that some of the state at like state 2:22:30.360 --> 2:22:35.320 schools are are loaded, but they might be just like misogynists, 2:22:35.360 --> 2:22:37.840 like creeps that are like let's get fuffed. 2:22:37.560 --> 2:22:40.920 Up in roofy girls, you know what I mean. But yeah, 2:22:41.080 --> 2:22:43.920 Duke Scott, Duke's got a lot of problems. 2:22:44.840 --> 2:22:47.119 Yeah, because it's like if that's your number one dream. 2:22:47.120 --> 2:22:49.320 But I know someone that went to the minister school there. 2:22:49.440 --> 2:22:51.039 I mean every there's different. 2:22:51.080 --> 2:22:52.720 It's like if you went to like the School of 2:22:52.840 --> 2:22:55.480 Education or like even the business school, that might be different. 2:22:55.560 --> 2:22:59.320 Like I mean we're talking undergrad I think you know. Yeah, 2:22:59.320 --> 2:23:02.800 So this was an amazing episode. Obviously we've learned a 2:23:02.840 --> 2:23:06.680 lot from the whole. I don't think somebody like Michael 2:23:06.720 --> 2:23:09.120 Jackson could get away with what he got away with now, 2:23:09.440 --> 2:23:11.440 Like I think that that case has taught us a lot, 2:23:11.520 --> 2:23:14.840 but I also don't. It's like we said, I don't 2:23:14.879 --> 2:23:16.520 just don't. I don't know if there is a Michael 2:23:16.600 --> 2:23:18.280 Jackson alive right now. 2:23:18.760 --> 2:23:20.480 You know, no, but you can get away with it. 2:23:20.600 --> 2:23:24.440 What just happened in football with Cleveland, Like they got 2:23:24.480 --> 2:23:27.640 someone who had twenty two accusations against him and like 2:23:27.760 --> 2:23:30.280 paying and it was like the biggest football contract ever. 2:23:30.440 --> 2:23:34.240 Like no one actually ends up caring about what people do. 2:23:34.400 --> 2:23:37.959 Well, I'm I just been Pedophilia is a little yeah, 2:23:38.040 --> 2:23:40.640 like in the you know, of course, like there's always 2:23:40.640 --> 2:23:44.840 going to be fucking yeah, gross criminal guys doing shit. 2:23:44.920 --> 2:23:47.360 But I don't think traveling on tour with a child 2:23:47.480 --> 2:23:50.840 unaccompanied would fly now, Like I truly don't think that 2:23:51.040 --> 2:23:53.640 like anyone, Like I think PR people would be like, 2:23:53.680 --> 2:23:55.720 you can't go all Michael Jackson on us, Like I'm 2:23:55.760 --> 2:23:57.039 sure he's like a case study. 2:23:57.080 --> 2:23:57.240 Now. 2:23:57.360 --> 2:24:00.920 Yeah, it's more what's that episode we did with our 2:24:01.280 --> 2:24:07.839 cool Stevie Jones Stevie Jones. Yeah, it's more undercover pool parties. 2:24:08.000 --> 2:24:12.520 Yes, and just riding the edge of legal too. 2:24:12.640 --> 2:24:12.800 Like. 2:24:14.560 --> 2:24:20.360 Riding the edge of legal that is cool and fun. 2:24:21.480 --> 2:24:26.600 No, the world is sick like Munchausens by proxy is scary, 2:24:27.680 --> 2:24:31.000 and rich people who get away with pedophilia suck. 2:24:31.160 --> 2:24:31.600 I don't know. 2:24:32.080 --> 2:24:35.039 Yeah, But also this is the funniest I learned that 2:24:35.080 --> 2:24:37.280 a big an oversized pirate hat on a man. 2:24:37.360 --> 2:24:37.840 I love that. 2:24:40.160 --> 2:24:42.600 You know, the new show like Flag of the Dead 2:24:42.720 --> 2:24:44.680 or Flag of our You know, there's like a it's 2:24:44.720 --> 2:24:46.680 about what it's called. 2:24:46.920 --> 2:24:49.840 Our flag's name is death or something like that, something 2:24:49.879 --> 2:24:50.120 like that. 2:24:50.200 --> 2:24:53.760 But I guess it's about it's about gay pirates, and 2:24:53.800 --> 2:24:55.879 I guess a bunch of pirates were gay, and that 2:24:55.959 --> 2:24:59.040 makes so much sense. But I never clicked in my head. 2:24:59.560 --> 2:25:01.879 But pirate are all just gay and fucking. 2:25:01.920 --> 2:25:03.480 Everybody's been gay forever. 2:25:03.560 --> 2:25:06.560 I mean, like Greek mythology, everyone was gay, Like I 2:25:06.720 --> 2:25:08.640 just was just been gay and fucking whatever. 2:25:08.840 --> 2:25:12.199 Of course, these pirates looking for treasure are gay, but it. 2:25:12.160 --> 2:25:16.720 Never occurred to me they have. They're looking for rubies 2:25:16.760 --> 2:25:17.160 and shit. 2:25:17.320 --> 2:25:22.120 Come on, But our friends are watching the show, and 2:25:22.160 --> 2:25:25.640 I really like the Nathan, the Nathan guy in it, 2:25:25.720 --> 2:25:28.360 because he was one of my favorite Instagram videos. He 2:25:28.440 --> 2:25:32.440 played the Noah's Ark gay assistant picking the animals that 2:25:32.480 --> 2:25:33.480 got to come on the boat. 2:25:34.160 --> 2:25:36.560 That's right, you sent that to me and that was 2:25:36.760 --> 2:25:39.199 very funny. It was one of my favorite things. 2:25:39.320 --> 2:25:41.720 And now he's on giant billboards in this show and 2:25:41.760 --> 2:25:43.600 my friends are watching. I have to watch because I 2:25:43.640 --> 2:25:45.720 guess it's all about just like gay pirates. 2:25:46.080 --> 2:25:48.040 Yeah, and it's like, you know, we know people. 2:25:48.040 --> 2:25:50.160 We there's people in it that we know also, but 2:25:50.240 --> 2:25:53.520 also Taikowatiti, who made like Jojo Rabbit and a lot 2:25:53.560 --> 2:25:55.400 of stuff that I like, is like a producer of 2:25:55.440 --> 2:25:56.080 it and stuff. 2:25:56.120 --> 2:25:57.960 So I think it's probably very good. 2:25:59.040 --> 2:26:02.080 Do you remember he was He was like threaple kissing. 2:26:02.120 --> 2:26:03.720 That was like a big thing last year. 2:26:04.360 --> 2:26:07.720 Do you remember any dating Rita Aura. 2:26:07.800 --> 2:26:10.240 Yes, they're nodding, they're nodding. 2:26:10.800 --> 2:26:13.000 My fact check is just saying something and looking at 2:26:13.000 --> 2:26:16.920 Onalisa's screen. It was taikaway TV because he's dating Rida Aura, 2:26:16.959 --> 2:26:18.359 and it was Tessa Thompson. 2:26:18.480 --> 2:26:20.480 Oh right, right, we're all canoodling. 2:26:20.120 --> 2:26:22.720 So hot, like too hot, like the like the most 2:26:22.800 --> 2:26:24.760 gorgeous women and he's cute too. 2:26:25.320 --> 2:26:27.760 Well yeah, but he not, I mean he is also 2:26:27.959 --> 2:26:30.760 like it seems one of the smartest, funniest people on 2:26:30.800 --> 2:26:34.200 the planet, and that adds for sure to the thing 2:26:34.360 --> 2:26:37.320 Rita Aura. I'm just like, it's like, fetch, It's never 2:26:37.400 --> 2:26:38.400 gonna happen, you. 2:26:38.320 --> 2:26:38.920 Know, dude. 2:26:39.080 --> 2:26:41.520 I listened to this other podcast. I listened to this 2:26:41.600 --> 2:26:43.840 podcast called Who Weekly. I'm sure I've mentioned it to 2:26:43.879 --> 2:26:45.840 you before. It's like about all the celebrities that you 2:26:45.959 --> 2:26:49.560 loved to know, Rita Aura is their queen. Like Rita 2:26:49.640 --> 2:26:52.039 they have a whole segment called what's Rita Aura up to? 2:26:52.440 --> 2:26:54.880 Because she is the ultimate who that will never be 2:26:54.959 --> 2:26:58.160 of them like she is never It is completely fetch. 2:26:58.560 --> 2:27:00.480 She is never going to hit her tipping point. Like 2:27:00.840 --> 2:27:02.959 you know, I know who she is. I could probably 2:27:02.959 --> 2:27:05.120 even sing a song of hers if you really pressed me. 2:27:05.640 --> 2:27:07.560 But my mom will never know who she is, Like 2:27:07.600 --> 2:27:09.360 she will never be household name. You know. 2:27:09.680 --> 2:27:13.080 She can sing a song at the Oscars in perfect pitch, 2:27:13.120 --> 2:27:15.680 in a nice gown, and we the moment she walks 2:27:15.720 --> 2:27:17.199 off stage, it's like amnesia. 2:27:17.400 --> 2:27:17.840 Yeah. 2:27:17.920 --> 2:27:20.840 I don't know why, but I think she comes from wealth. 2:27:20.920 --> 2:27:23.400 I have no idea. She's like a British. 2:27:23.040 --> 2:27:26.200 Wealthy She's part of It's part of like all these 2:27:26.360 --> 2:27:30.440 Albanian pop stars right on Lisa, it's Dualipa, it's Rita Aura, 2:27:30.959 --> 2:27:34.240 it's a I think Ava Max and I think bb Rexa. 2:27:34.280 --> 2:27:37.400 I think they're like all Albanian. I think so, I 2:27:37.400 --> 2:27:40.080 think so clue. Well, I only know all this shit 2:27:40.080 --> 2:27:42.119 because I listened to Who Weekly sometimes and they talk 2:27:42.160 --> 2:27:44.840 about this. But that is so funny that you said that, 2:27:44.879 --> 2:27:47.039 because it's like that is absolutely like the vibe of 2:27:47.080 --> 2:27:49.080 her is it's just not gonna happen. She'll always have 2:27:49.160 --> 2:27:50.879 some level of fame, but it's never gonna be the 2:27:50.879 --> 2:27:51.840 one that she wants. 2:27:52.600 --> 2:27:53.959 But back to. 2:27:53.959 --> 2:27:57.680 Fame, Michael Jackson, all of this shit, I will say, 2:27:57.800 --> 2:28:02.240 I am happy that, like I like came around to 2:28:02.320 --> 2:28:05.840 realizing the scope of these crimes and like what happened 2:28:05.879 --> 2:28:07.560 with him, because I think I was a denier. 2:28:07.600 --> 2:28:08.760 A lot of people have been deniers. 2:28:08.760 --> 2:28:11.360 A lot of people are still deniers of what happened 2:28:11.360 --> 2:28:12.959 with him, and I, well, it's when we. 2:28:12.920 --> 2:28:14.800 Talk about a lot, it's not our own personal thing. 2:28:14.879 --> 2:28:17.200 Like that's why when we discussed it and said, like 2:28:17.680 --> 2:28:19.800 we're all a part of the system, so we're gonna 2:28:19.800 --> 2:28:21.640 believe the things that are fed to us or the 2:28:21.640 --> 2:28:23.840 big stuff, and we're kids and it's happening and you're like, 2:28:24.120 --> 2:28:26.760 no fucking way, fuck these kids, you know, or whatever 2:28:26.840 --> 2:28:30.040 the vibe is, and then you hopefully get perspective on 2:28:30.080 --> 2:28:32.160 the world and how it functions. But it's like we're 2:28:32.200 --> 2:28:36.760 all we're all possible to fall victim to, like having 2:28:36.959 --> 2:28:42.880 dumb opinions that keep up lifted propping this messed up 2:28:42.879 --> 2:28:43.600 where we live in. 2:28:44.080 --> 2:28:45.160 Yeah, for sure, that. 2:28:45.240 --> 2:28:47.520 Was like that was a I don't know how I 2:28:47.520 --> 2:28:50.920 got that sentence out. Didn't make sense, did it even 2:28:51.040 --> 2:28:54.840 make sense. It's like I was faking a presentation at 2:28:54.879 --> 2:28:58.000 college where I was just like putting things together that 2:28:58.160 --> 2:28:58.800 are like. 2:28:58.800 --> 2:29:03.480 We are here too, for obviously with the what we've 2:29:03.480 --> 2:29:09.080 seen it. But I will say that I credit the 2:29:09.200 --> 2:29:12.320 Leaving Neverland doc as a big part of my come 2:29:12.360 --> 2:29:14.160 to Jesus moment about Michael Jackson. 2:29:14.200 --> 2:29:16.360 And yes, but you said that even after it came out, 2:29:16.400 --> 2:29:17.640 his sales spiked. 2:29:18.240 --> 2:29:21.039 Of course, yes, because people are like reminded of his 2:29:21.120 --> 2:29:25.440 music and they don't care. But I wanted to lead 2:29:25.480 --> 2:29:27.320 into what would Sister Peg do this week where I 2:29:27.360 --> 2:29:28.960 am highlighting Leaving Neverland. 2:29:29.320 --> 2:29:30.840 I just think people should watch the doc. 2:29:30.920 --> 2:29:33.840 It's like important, even though it's sad and it's only 2:29:34.040 --> 2:29:37.320 you know, it's two parts, that's it, and it's an 2:29:37.400 --> 2:29:39.680 HBO documentary and you know what, HBO might be getting 2:29:39.680 --> 2:29:41.240 sued and have to take it down, so you might 2:29:41.320 --> 2:29:43.280 have to fucking you might not be able to see 2:29:43.320 --> 2:29:45.800 it for that long. So that I'm highlighting it this 2:29:45.840 --> 2:29:48.920 week for what would Sister Peg Do? And as I mentioned, 2:29:49.280 --> 2:29:51.520 two part doc that features the stories of Wade Robeson 2:29:51.560 --> 2:29:54.240 and James Safechuck and it goes into detail describing everything 2:29:54.280 --> 2:29:56.600 that happened with them and their relationship with Michael Jackson. 2:29:57.080 --> 2:29:59.480 It is an intense watch, but it's very eye opening 2:29:59.480 --> 2:30:01.880 if you want to do dive into their stories. So again, 2:30:01.920 --> 2:30:05.480 go to HBO, HBO Max and search Leaving Neverland or 2:30:06.240 --> 2:30:08.800 we will have the link to it in our show 2:30:08.840 --> 2:30:13.640 notes and as always in our Instagram highlight called WWSPD. 2:30:14.160 --> 2:30:20.240 Next week's episode, we're doing Friending Emily Season fourteen, episode six. 2:30:20.480 --> 2:30:23.840 We're really thrilled watch along with us. 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