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Speaker 2: talk about your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.
Speaker 3: In this episode, we are going to be riding on
Speaker 3: the back of giant ants to excavate.
Speaker 1: The giant sub atomic air.
Speaker 3: They're giant in the sub atomic realm. But if you
Speaker 3: couldn't see them if they were in real life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but we will be on them and we will be
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Speaker 1: All right. Coming up next to your lock, we're stepping
Speaker 1: out of the air lock and into the quantum realm
Speaker 1: for ant Man and the Wasp quantum Mania. First up,
Speaker 1: our non spoiler reaction.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 1: It's a very fun movie.
Speaker 3: It's like a wild sci fi romp through the quantum realm.
Speaker 3: And just the unbelievable performance from Jonathan Mage's like it
Speaker 3: will blow you away.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really for me. The headline is if
Speaker 1: there is an actor other than Angela Bassett who could
Speaker 1: potentially one day be nominated for an Oscar off of
Speaker 1: a Marvel movie. I think it's Jonathan No, me too.
Speaker 1: He's the most watchable person that's ever been in there.
Speaker 3: It blows your mind and it is this emotionally driven, intense,
Speaker 3: scary kind. I mean, look, we know you know this.
Speaker 3: He's carrying the Conqueror. You've heard him talk about it.
Speaker 3: This is not a heroic portrayal. But I will tell
Speaker 3: you the whole way through the movie, I was just
Speaker 3: rooting for He is so human and incredible and it's
Speaker 3: just a lot of fun. It's a tonal shift from
Speaker 3: the other anti Man movies, but you still get pops
Speaker 3: of that humor and that kind of low stakes and
Speaker 3: if you love poppy sci fi, weird creatures, Star Wars, Cantina,
Speaker 3: all that kind of good stuff, you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: Yes and again, Kang Kan Kang Kan Kang Kang. He
Speaker 1: has none of the major just has an ability to
Speaker 1: make you watch him when he's delivering anyone doing anything,
Speaker 1: and it gives his portrayal of Kang a real layer
Speaker 1: of like menace, because you there's there's points in this
Speaker 1: film where you're like, I know he's the bad guy,
Speaker 1: but I want to believe everything he said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to believe him because he just puts
Speaker 3: himself across in such a sincere, interesting way. But the
Speaker 3: movie's not afraid of showing you who Kang really is,
Speaker 3: or who this iteration of Kang really is. His chemistry
Speaker 3: with Michelle Pfeiffer is incredible. She's so great as Janet.
Speaker 3: We get more Granet hair, which was something that we'd
Speaker 3: both wanted. Really fun movie for Hank Pim. If you
Speaker 3: were listening to our podcast last week and you were like,
Speaker 3: we haven't got enough Hank in that Map movies, guess
Speaker 3: what this is. You're gonna be You're gonna be charmed.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get so much Hank.
Speaker 1: That is our quick reaction non spoiler reaction to ant
Speaker 1: Man in the Lost Pontumania Up next.
Speaker 3: Spoilers.
Speaker 1: The spoilers, folks. The spoiler phil recap, So go no
Speaker 1: further if you have not watched the film Okay and
Speaker 1: Men in the Lost Quantumenian directed by Peyton Reed, written
Speaker 1: by Jeff Lovenes, Paul Rudd as our friend Scott Lang
Speaker 1: of Angeline Lily as back as the Wasp, Jonathan Major's
Speaker 1: King the Conqueror, Michelle Pfeiffer's back as Janet Vandyne, Michael Douglas,
Speaker 1: Hank Pim, and Catherine Newton as our third and final
Speaker 1: Cassie Lang. Mm hmmm, let's jump into our recap. So
Speaker 1: we opened in the quantum realm. This is a flashback
Speaker 1: to the time when Janet was trapped. Time works differently
Speaker 1: down there, so we have no idea how long she's
Speaker 1: been there or what is happening. But she sees a
Speaker 1: ship enter the realm and crash. She goes over to
Speaker 1: investigate and is attacked by some sort of alien creature
Speaker 1: that then splits into two alien creatures that then splits
Speaker 1: into four, and she takes them out, but one gets
Speaker 1: the drop on her and it's blasted off of her
Speaker 1: who saved her life, but Kang and he's like, where
Speaker 1: the hell are we? We go back to the world,
Speaker 1: the above world, where Scott Line has basically been enjoying
Speaker 1: his life as a celebrity superhero who saved the world.
Speaker 1: And not only did he save the world, he wrote
Speaker 1: a book about it, and he's happy to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Anywhere and everywhere that people want to thank him and
Speaker 1: talk about it. We see him walking down the street
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Everybody's like, Scott, Oh my god, Scott,
Speaker 1: it's great. He walks into his favorite coffee shop where
Speaker 1: he gets stuff for free. He goes to bask and
Speaker 1: Robbins that were he was once fired, but now is treated.
Speaker 3: As employee of the Century.
Speaker 1: Employee of the century. People absolutely love him. We learn
Speaker 1: that Scott's daughter, Cassie is It's not that she's not
Speaker 1: doing great, it's more that she has very very strong
Speaker 1: ideals about helping people who are who have been wronged
Speaker 1: and maybe who don't have the power to help themselves,
Speaker 1: and this has led to her being arrested, so Scott
Speaker 1: and Hope have to go bail her out. And we
Speaker 1: also learned that Cassie has a little bit has a
Speaker 1: suit of her own, and she's been using it, probably
Speaker 1: irresponsibly because she's a kid.
Speaker 3: Yes, she shrunk a car at a protest and Scott's
Speaker 3: less than happy with it. Hope seems like vaguely proud,
Speaker 3: but you can tell Cassie's mad that Scott is no
Speaker 3: longer an active here, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Why aren't you doing more heroic shit the world needs.
Speaker 3: She's like, you literally saved the world, but that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that there's nothing else left to do. She was
Speaker 3: at a protest to stop them sweeping homeless encampments. She
Speaker 3: is really the person here who's going to kind of
Speaker 3: have this moral arc to go on as the film
Speaker 3: goes forward.
Speaker 1: They have a family dinner, Cassie and Hank dropped the
Speaker 1: pretty big news that they've been building a device that
Speaker 1: will allow communication in the form of mapping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of the quantum realm.
Speaker 1: Janet is like, you got to shut it down? Why, Janet, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. Here's where I
Speaker 1: want to stop and say, Janet, you gotta just come
Speaker 1: clean about some stuff that happened in the Utu realm.
Speaker 3: Definitely she needed to be more honest to them, but
Speaker 3: I also feel like the whole family is just constantly
Speaker 3: fucking around with the cortum room. And she's like, I
Speaker 3: was stuck there for thirty years. It was very traumatic,
Speaker 3: Like give me a break. And they're like, well, if
Speaker 3: we just built this device that would take us to
Speaker 3: the quantum room in all basement without you knowing, And
Speaker 3: she's like, I'd rather you didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Well, Janet tells them to shut it down, but it's
Speaker 1: way too late and they're all sucked into the device
Speaker 1: and they fall into the Quanta room. Hank, Janet, and
Speaker 1: Hope are separated from Scott and Cassie, and Janet leads
Speaker 1: the Pims to an old friend named Crylar played by
Speaker 1: Bill Murray, who apparently was once a freedom fighter in
Speaker 1: what we are soon to learn is this land that
Speaker 1: is in the midst of trying to throw off the
Speaker 1: yoke of a dictator. Well, this guy, Krylar, who used
Speaker 1: to fight alongside Janet, has sold out and now he's
Speaker 1: like a rich guy. They have a meeting with him
Speaker 1: about trying to reunite with Scott and Cassie, and he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who they are, where they are, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: I have to hand you over to King. But before
Speaker 1: that can happen, the trio escape and Hope through an
Speaker 1: embigoting Pim particle disc at the cocktail squid like creature
Speaker 1: that was a delicacy that you drink in very horrific fashion,
Speaker 1: makes it grow into a large size squid that then
Speaker 1: takes revenge on Krylar Meanwhile, over at Cassie and Scott,
Speaker 1: they let find themselves in the midst of a group
Speaker 1: of freedom fighters, including a guy named quaz Ye played
Speaker 1: by William Jackson Harper who can read minds.
Speaker 3: Spoiler a lot friends, wasn't Quasi? I know a lot
Speaker 3: of fans hoping it was. It Also was wasn't Nathaniel
Speaker 3: Richards who I was hoping it was? But it was
Speaker 3: William Jackson Hopper And he can read minds and he's
Speaker 3: sick of it. He's absolutely sick of it. Genturrah, Yes,
Speaker 3: who we spoke about last week, who is the niece
Speaker 3: of Hulk's love Interesting, that's right.
Speaker 1: Jurella played by Katie m O'Brien and is basically ripped
Speaker 1: straight from the pages of Yeah and.
Speaker 3: Just like a total warrior badass, like she will fight
Speaker 3: through anything and she's not having any of kang shit.
Speaker 1: And Veb played by David Desmalchin. And so the freedom
Speaker 1: fighters are kind of not very trustful of Cassie and Scott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they think they're spies. They're like, why would you
Speaker 3: just turn up here? Who are you? Also, interestingly, they
Speaker 3: know nothing about the world above, They don't know about us.
Speaker 1: They don't know what exists.
Speaker 3: They don't know anything outside of this kind of This
Speaker 3: is the subterraneum, quantum realm, underneath the quantum realm that
Speaker 3: we have seen before.
Speaker 1: It's a fully realized other universe, and Scott's trying to
Speaker 1: make them underhand. We come from this other realm where
Speaker 1: we're all lot bigger.
Speaker 3: Him and Cassie's really funny like talking each other with Banta.
Speaker 1: We're bigger, Like they're telling the truth, but I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 3: He's like, they know nothing.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Kang has sent his ultimate killing machine, I guess,
Speaker 1: a machine.
Speaker 3: Only designed killing mechanize design killing.
Speaker 1: Modov no modoc, and Modoc attacks the freedom Fighter camp
Speaker 1: and absolutely raises it to the ground.
Speaker 3: Using his cosmic beam, his cosmic blade.
Speaker 1: He's got like the lasers. He's got these laser saw
Speaker 1: blades and the whole thing. Modoc, it turns out, is
Speaker 1: our good friend Darren Cross, the former CEO of PIM Technologies.
Speaker 1: He took over from Hank Pim and kind of usurped
Speaker 1: his power and was attempting to duplicate his technology, which
Speaker 1: he was going to sell, you know, to various countries
Speaker 1: that wanted to weaponize this technology. But then of course
Speaker 1: he was defeated and we thought sucked into some kind
Speaker 1: of like subatomic realm to disappear forever. But clearly he survived,
Speaker 1: but with his head all huge in his little baby arm.
Speaker 4: And I will say this is when we were right,
Speaker 4: because we did theorize when they revealed that it was
Speaker 4: Corey Stall and Darren Cross that what happened was he'd
Speaker 4: got sucked in and when ended up in the quantum realm,
Speaker 4: he essentially was just left with his head being bigger.
Speaker 3: Than everything else.
Speaker 1: That was right.
Speaker 3: And we also were suggesting last week that perhaps instead
Speaker 3: of Aim being the ones who would control and create
Speaker 3: him and kind of turn him into Modoc, it was
Speaker 3: Kang and that was also right. And uh, what I
Speaker 3: did not see coming is that you get to see
Speaker 3: like a little Modoc butt shot.
Speaker 1: That was so fun.
Speaker 3: That was like I was, I was a fan. He's
Speaker 3: got a very tall but yeah, he has it's a
Speaker 3: it's a little Modoc butt. When he's getting pulled out
Speaker 3: and put into his.
Speaker 1: Chair, it's like it's like very narrow but tall.
Speaker 3: Very good at Tom Irish like a egg with a.
Speaker 1: Cassie and Scott are captured the rebels are routed and
Speaker 1: Cassie and Scott are taken to meet King over at
Speaker 1: Janet and Hank and Hopeland. Janet is finally like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what happened. There's this guy Kang. He landed. I
Speaker 1: helped him out. His ship was broken down. It needed gas.
Speaker 1: I helped him get gas for his ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that gas was this swirling bands of light
Speaker 3: that many people, including myself, thought could be the ten rings,
Speaker 3: could be something that fast Us built, But in this
Speaker 3: case they were almost like taken from a clock, and
Speaker 3: they are the core that pushes Kang's time chair through
Speaker 3: multi verses, and Janet was able to help him, which
Speaker 3: I feel like is going to come into play in
Speaker 3: the future, like you're gonna have to have a Janet
Speaker 3: on the Avengers who knows how to make a time
Speaker 3: chair because she knows.
Speaker 1: But it's so right when the ship is, the chair
Speaker 1: is gassed all the way up and they are like friends,
Speaker 1: yaks connected, They're going home. We're going home.
Speaker 3: This is and you don't know how long it is.
Speaker 1: You're going back to the second left yea.
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is you don't know Janet said,
Speaker 3: it was ages this could have been most of her
Speaker 3: time in the quantum room. This is someone she spent
Speaker 3: so much time with. She told him about Hope, they
Speaker 3: shared their lives. They had this deep connection. This is
Speaker 3: a ship that I now ship, and I.
Speaker 1: Mean that let's talk about a so so. Part of
Speaker 1: the reason apparently the genet didn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: the Corner Room was won the war. I guess it
Speaker 1: was very traumatic. Loss of people died, okay, and she
Speaker 1: she blamed herself. Yeah, but you could mention that. The
Speaker 1: second thing more understandable is she fucked Crylar.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: When did she fuck Krylar?
Speaker 3: No, I do not believe she was. She admitted she
Speaker 3: I don't know. She was like, she was like, sorry, Hank,
Speaker 3: a woman has needs. I'm like, this is missgery.
Speaker 1: You're getting it from Kryler.
Speaker 3: It would have been Kang.
Speaker 5: I say that that That to me is like chemistry.
Speaker 3: That's why that's why you keep it a secret, right
Speaker 3: because you literally had sex with like an hand war
Speaker 3: lord but.
Speaker 1: Re arranged my spine. Yeah, like literally, I want to
Speaker 1: know what happened. You want to know why I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Corner room because King rearranged
Speaker 1: the alignment.
Speaker 3: Of we had time sex and it was you could
Speaker 3: never even compare. It was sex through the multivise.
Speaker 1: And the truth is he's seen every kind of sexual
Speaker 1: technique throughout.
Speaker 3: Every time he's seen it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, and the.
Speaker 1: True Day's right, every Cosmo twenty text that will blow
Speaker 1: his mind. He's done it all.
Speaker 3: Every commisation you can't possibly and hang measure up.
Speaker 5: And the thing is like the chemistry is actually there, Like,
Speaker 5: but I agree between Michelle and Bill Murray.
Speaker 3: Is like, just admit you, Yeah, it was King. That's
Speaker 3: my head kind of do not say anything. It doesn't
Speaker 3: make any And also like the tender moments that they
Speaker 3: shed together fixing, you know, doing like sexy ship and
Speaker 3: then talking about their former lives drinking.
Speaker 1: There's that one scene where there's like they're and they're sweating,
Speaker 1: sitting right next to each other and like passing a
Speaker 1: steve of water back and what are you so out
Speaker 1: of breath?
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Speaker 1: Janet helps can guess up the chair, and then she
Speaker 1: touches the chair and because the chair is so linked
Speaker 1: with Kang's mind, he can there's no controls, He controls
Speaker 1: it with his thoughts. She is able to touch his thoughts,
Speaker 1: and she then realizes, oh my god, Kang is a
Speaker 1: multi dimensional genocidal warlord who has wiped out trillions upon
Speaker 1: trillions of life forms, entire timelines destroyed because of this
Speaker 1: guy kan Uh, and she can't. It's such a stunning
Speaker 1: reveal that she can't hide it. Like he looks at
Speaker 1: her and he knows immediately.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's like, oh you saw it, Janet, Like sorry, Janet,
Speaker 3: but he offers that he says to that, and this
Speaker 3: is like a great character moment for Janet because he
Speaker 3: basically says to He's like, you can just forget about it.
Speaker 3: He's like, I.
Speaker 1: Can't worry about it.
Speaker 3: He's like, not even that I can make you forget
Speaker 3: that you even know. He's like, you can just him.
Speaker 3: You will never have left and you will not know
Speaker 3: anything about the terrible things that I did. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's really wild stuff. I'm one of the best, my favorite,
Speaker 3: one of my favorite Jonathan Mage's moments in a movie
Speaker 3: that's absolutely full of them. Janet. She's kind of quizzing
Speaker 3: him and she says to him, like, what are you
Speaker 3: gonna do when you get out of here? I'm sure
Speaker 3: she wants him to say, like, I'll.
Speaker 1: Make a man destroy your verse.
Speaker 3: And he looks at the camera and they do a
Speaker 3: full face close up of Jonathan Magor's and he goes
Speaker 3: win and she's like, Nope.
Speaker 1: I do like this kind of reading of Kang that
Speaker 1: he's just like he's in it. You know, he's in
Speaker 1: it for the thrill of competition. Yeah, he's like the
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan of Destroyers exactly.
Speaker 3: He's pissed off at his fucking fellow Kangs, and he's like, no,
Speaker 3: I must succeed.
Speaker 1: It has to be me I and so I. You know,
Speaker 1: you could see Janet being like, well, if I invite
Speaker 1: you back to my world, you're gonna fight everybody, right
Speaker 1: like you're gonna do.
Speaker 3: He's like, not your world.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a moral question. So, Kang, you
Speaker 1: meet up Kan in the quantum realm, things may or
Speaker 1: may not happen. And then he's like, I'll deliver you
Speaker 1: back to your world, and he insists, then I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna kill your universe, but I will kill other universes.
Speaker 1: Do you go back?
Speaker 3: Look morally Morally the answer is no. Morally the answer
Speaker 3: is no, but it is I'm also not Janet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be really with you. This is Jonathan Major's king.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, I'll come say in that time. Chan.
Speaker 3: It's like when it's like when Shirry was like, oh no,
Speaker 3: no more, I can't I can down the world.
Speaker 5: And I'm like why, Like they literally destroyed your whole family,
Speaker 5: Like this is a this is a gift, So yes.
Speaker 3: Morally, don't don't let him do it. And obviously you'd
Speaker 3: have to live with that your whole rest of your life.
Speaker 3: It would be terrible, So it's bad times.
Speaker 1: So Jenna is like, Okay, I can't consign my universe
Speaker 1: to UH, to the depredations of King the conquer, So
Speaker 1: therefore I am going to take the energy core that
Speaker 1: I help guess up and I'm gonna steal it from him,
Speaker 1: and Ken gives Chase, but then Janet hits it with
Speaker 1: the UH the PIM and bigger particles in turns in
Speaker 1: to this huge kind of swirling vortex of energy and
Speaker 1: time dilation and everything, and now Kang is trapped. And Kang,
Speaker 1: now that he's trapped, decides well, I might as well
Speaker 1: just conquer the quantum realm and then goes about doing.
Speaker 3: Builds this unbelievable empire. Like the implication is that really
Speaker 3: what we see as the quantum realm now is mostly
Speaker 3: Kang Kang doing. There was people who lived there, and
Speaker 3: there are communities, but Kang is the one who's made
Speaker 3: it this kind of bustling, technocratic like kind of space.
Speaker 3: Obviously through nightmarish dictatorship. There's lots of like fascistic you
Speaker 3: know cops. Yeah, he made cops who are like, I guess,
Speaker 3: robot cops, you know, some some kind of blue faced cops.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's not he's not doing very nice things there,
Speaker 3: Old Kang.
Speaker 1: Over at Kang's headquarters, Kang meets Scott and Cassie, who
Speaker 1: are in prison. Scott tries to bluff and is like,
Speaker 1: you fucked up this time. I'm an Avenger Avenger the
Speaker 1: other Avengers we're coming. I don't want to flash my badge,
Speaker 1: but that's what's going on. And Kang's like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: killed the Avengers. Yeah really, I.
Speaker 3: Can't killed you before.
Speaker 1: I can't even count the amount of times I've killed
Speaker 1: the Avengers. Are you four? And Scott has a funny
Speaker 1: joke about you know, people.
Speaker 3: They confuse, they confuse. It's up types. So Kang.
Speaker 1: Uh says to Scott, hey, you have a you have
Speaker 1: a solution. To my problem, which is my big end
Speaker 1: energy core for my ship. You can shrink it down,
Speaker 1: and I would like you to help me shrink it down.
Speaker 1: I'd like you to go in there shrink it down
Speaker 1: for me. And if you'll do that, I will let
Speaker 1: you and your daughter live and you can go leave
Speaker 1: and do whatever. But if you don't do it, I'm
Speaker 1: going to kill her. And then to kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: show how powerful he is, he just makes a couple
Speaker 1: of gestures with his very very futuristic and extremely powerful
Speaker 1: power suit.
Speaker 3: Kang cruisiotus cuss is Cassie like she's like up and
Speaker 3: she's she's.
Speaker 1: In a little and he's like bending her arm back
Speaker 1: and Scott is like, fine, I'll fucking do it, and
Speaker 1: he goes off and he dives into the energy huge
Speaker 1: energy core.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is very interesting. I will stop here
Speaker 3: because this is just for people who find this kind.
Speaker 3: This is one of those things that we always talk
Speaker 3: about as fans. This is very different from what they
Speaker 3: showed us in the trailer. In the trailer, they kind
Speaker 3: of cut the dialogue to make it seem like Scott
Speaker 3: was going to make a deal with Kang to get
Speaker 3: back the time that he wanted from Cassie, like that
Speaker 3: he'd missed with Cassie. But I'm glad that that wasn't
Speaker 3: the route they went. I think that was a bit
Speaker 3: of a red herring because Scott would never do that.
Speaker 3: But what happens is Cassie is there, so he knows
Speaker 3: he'll do anything to save his daughter, and that kind
Speaker 3: of pits him against what Hank and Hope and Janet
Speaker 3: are trying to do, which is get the core and
Speaker 3: take it away so can can't have it.
Speaker 1: So in the Core, Scott starts splitting off into all
Speaker 1: the countless versions of himself from all the other timelines.
Speaker 1: There's they mostly all look like him, but then there's
Speaker 1: a basket Robin Scott. I guess the Scott that never
Speaker 1: wake Robins. Yeah, and Scott is you know that they
Speaker 1: all form kind of like an ant body structure, like
Speaker 1: an ant tower that Scott, you know Cassie.
Speaker 3: They all joining that they want is to save Cassie.
Speaker 3: Before that they were all freaking out. Every single version
Speaker 3: of him is like a different possibility of what could happen.
Speaker 3: But the one thing that they all share is they
Speaker 3: all want to save Cassie.
Speaker 1: So he's climbing towards the core, but he can't quite
Speaker 1: get to it. And just then Hope, Hank, and Janet
Speaker 1: arrive in Krylar stolen ship and Pope dives into the
Speaker 1: core and she is able to uh together with Scott,
Speaker 1: help him shrink down the core back to normal size.
Speaker 1: Modoch then, while this is all going on, attacks Hank
Speaker 1: in the ship and is eager to take revenge against Hank,
Speaker 1: his former mentor, who he now hates because he's an
Speaker 1: embiganed head with little baby legs and little baby arms
Speaker 1: sitting in a chair and I guess just like pooping
Speaker 1: himself all the time. Later, Hank tells Scott that he
Speaker 1: was saved by ants and that yes, these are his
Speaker 1: ants from his lab when everything in the lab was
Speaker 1: sucked into the Qualm realm along with Hank, Hope, Scott,
Speaker 1: and Cassie, and that the ants, because of the time
Speaker 1: dilation of the Qualum realm, lived like a thousand years
Speaker 1: of time in a minute span of time, and in
Speaker 1: that thousand years that passed in the blink of an eye,
Speaker 1: they evolved into this super smart socialist race of technologicallylogy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, technocratic ants, and it's incredible and Hank is really
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of fun to be had. This
Speaker 3: movie with kind of Hank's previous comic book history, which
Speaker 3: we talked about a little, but Hank could control ants
Speaker 3: with the helmet that he created, and he'd beat low
Speaker 3: key with ants, and this movie they really lean into that.
Speaker 3: Janet rags on him about it, Hope rags on him
Speaker 3: about it, like this man just loves ants and he
Speaker 3: loves them, and you see and he he is so
Speaker 3: proud of his ants now and.
Speaker 1: He is like love.
Speaker 3: He probably if he had a choice whether to leave
Speaker 3: or to stay with the ants, I think he'd probably
Speaker 3: choose to stay with the nts.
Speaker 1: So Kang has the now shrunken down cores ready to
Speaker 1: put in his ship, and he's making preparations to leave
Speaker 1: and invade the above realm, which we can only assume
Speaker 1: to be Earth. He's taking his entire empire with him. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Cassie manages to escape from her holding cell and she
Speaker 1: finds Gentra, who's also being held somewhere, and together they
Speaker 1: start freeing all the prisoners inside Kang's headquarters and in
Speaker 1: a Captain America addressing shield over the PA at the
Speaker 1: end of Winter Soldier moment. She is like, Hey, now
Speaker 1: is our time we need to strike. Let's start the rebellion.
Speaker 1: She basically sends this broadcast, hijacks Kang's broadcast, sends it
Speaker 1: all across the microverse. Excuse me, sends it all across
Speaker 1: the quantum realm. That's the same thing, and starts an insurgency.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's very cool, and everyone knows this is always
Speaker 3: what happens. But the Free Him fight as emerge. They
Speaker 3: go up against Kang, and it seems like it's a
Speaker 3: rise of sky. It's like huge, like and you know
Speaker 3: they they came. It's kind of this huge moment.
Speaker 1: There's the insurgency. They come. Scott charges Kang's eternal city.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a giant.
Speaker 1: He's giant. He's like one hundred feet tall. He's smashing
Speaker 1: through it seems like he might get all the way
Speaker 1: through to him, but he doesn't. And then Kang says
Speaker 1: to Scott, like, what did you fucking think you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: You think you're gonna beat Maybe you can't beat me.
Speaker 1: You talk to ants and that is the moment We've
Speaker 1: done done.
Speaker 3: All the all the.
Speaker 1: Ants come and some of the ants are absolutely huge.
Speaker 3: Some of them are wearing like sick almah, and they're
Speaker 3: like communicating, and Hanks there with his little red scoff
Speaker 3: on looking like he's leading an army of socialist dance.
Speaker 3: It's very cute. I just have to shout out one
Speaker 3: of my favorite movies. Everyone knows that I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say a tunnels. What I was gonna say is I
Speaker 3: feel like the Final battle draws really heavily from Aquaman
Speaker 3: because in the whole joke throughout the movie is like, oh,
Speaker 3: he talks to fish like what are useless power? But
Speaker 3: the final bout is he calls upon all the sea
Speaker 3: creatures and that is what enables them to kind of win.
Speaker 3: And you might be thinking, like, well, that's kind of
Speaker 3: wild that Karen just got beat by some ants, but
Speaker 3: you you know, those things are still coming.
Speaker 1: They say, King is like he puts up a force shield,
Speaker 1: but the ants there's just too many fucking ants, guys,
Speaker 1: so many ants. They sweep them away. Modoc comes in.
Speaker 3: Helps them break through his force field.
Speaker 1: But then it is grievously injured by his very very
Speaker 1: brief fight with King Uh, and the ants sweep everything away,
Speaker 1: and our heroes are left looking at the broken body
Speaker 1: of Modoc, who is dying, and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I finally did something good. At least I died
Speaker 1: in Avenger and Scott and Hope are like, eh, that's right, sure,
Speaker 1: you definitely don't.
Speaker 3: And he's like, you were always a brother to me, Scott,
Speaker 3: and Scott's like.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we did it. So the thought is now, Okay,
Speaker 1: Tang's gone. We did it. This is fucking great. Let's
Speaker 1: get out of here. So Janet is able in Kang's
Speaker 1: control room to open up another portal back to the
Speaker 1: world they all jump through. Scott is about to jump through,
Speaker 1: but guess who's there. It's fucking Kang and his suit
Speaker 1: is shredded now, so he's not as powerful as he
Speaker 1: once was.
Speaker 3: His muscles a power.
Speaker 1: He's obviously jacked and this can do a little stuff
Speaker 1: and he basically beats the living tar out of Scott
Speaker 1: Lang for a period of time. But then Scott manages,
Speaker 1: you know, to basically destroy the core once again to
Speaker 1: embig in it, and Ken gets sucked into the core
Speaker 1: and disappears, but it also destroys the portal and this
Speaker 1: basically leaves Scott and Hope trapped in the quantum realm.
Speaker 1: Cope had jumped back through to try and help Scott.
Speaker 1: In the end of the movie, Cassie is able to
Speaker 1: rebuild her quantum tunneling device or quantum communication device, and
Speaker 1: they bring Scott and Hope back to the world, and
Speaker 1: we see Scott enjoying San Francisco as if he never left.
Speaker 1: It seems as if he was deposited back like almost
Speaker 1: the very day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed, which, by the way, is suspicious because
Speaker 3: we know that time works differently in the quantum realm,
Speaker 3: so that's already should be a hint. And then we
Speaker 3: get what is probably like my favorite joke slash moment
Speaker 3: in the movie because they play it so well. These
Speaker 3: were the pickups that I'm pretty sure I saw them
Speaker 3: filming in San Pedro when I went to get my
Speaker 3: phone screen fixed and Scott is walking and he's talking
Speaker 3: about being an Avenger, and suddenly Reuben from the coffee
Speaker 3: shop knows who he is. He's the bug Man, He's
Speaker 3: not Spider Man. That means he doesn't get free coffee
Speaker 3: es paid twelve dollars San Francisco prices. And then they
Speaker 3: zoom in on Scott's face and they drop this absolutely
Speaker 3: just existentially horrifying score. When Scott's like, oh.
Speaker 1: Wait, Kenk's gone right, yeah, we beat him.
Speaker 3: And he's like, did it great? He's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: I think I remember Kang saying that something bad was
Speaker 3: coming and if we didn't let him out, he would
Speaker 3: all die. And he's like, but we did let not
Speaker 3: let him out, and he died, So I think that's okay.
Speaker 3: And he did getting sucked into the port would have
Speaker 3: killed him, right, It wouldn't have just sent him somewhere
Speaker 3: else because that would probably be a problem. And then
Speaker 3: he's like, like so many of us who suffer from
Speaker 3: anxiety do, He's like, don't worry about it, it's fine.
Speaker 3: And then he goes off and has like a charming
Speaker 3: dinner with his family and everything's great, and he's kind
Speaker 3: of making up to Cassie for all the birthdays he
Speaker 3: missed by doing a fake birthday dinner.
Speaker 1: Then we go to stick a number one it is,
Speaker 1: we see Immortis, we see Rama Tut, and we see
Speaker 1: a younger kind of elite, a battle angel. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this.
Speaker 3: So who is that Kang?
Speaker 1: It's my thing, I think it's either Kid I Mortis yep,
Speaker 1: or the Iron Lad.
Speaker 3: I think that makes a lot of sense. I think
Speaker 3: that it's a very different design. We we pretty much
Speaker 3: covered like the main Kang variants, and there are not
Speaker 3: like many that are fully fleshed out outside of just
Speaker 3: like some fun Council of Kang appearances. So I think
Speaker 3: you're right. I think it's It would be really cool
Speaker 3: if it was Kidd and Mortus. He looked kind of
Speaker 3: young he was wearing this like so battle Angel Elitas
Speaker 3: skinhead Iron Lad would be awesome. I would love to
Speaker 3: see them do that storyline would also be really another
Speaker 3: young Avengers character. When we've got on Cassie in this movie,
Speaker 3: it could be like Chris pointed this out where it's
Speaker 3: like it could be a kind of modified Scarlet Centurion
Speaker 3: costume because that's the other major character. But in this scene,
Speaker 3: the other two characters, Immortus and Rama Tut have the
Speaker 3: most like classic like almost like party City, And I
Speaker 3: mean that in a compliment, like their costumes are like
Speaker 3: they stalk to the comic.
Speaker 1: Directly ripped from the they look.
Speaker 3: So I think that the idea of it being someone
Speaker 3: like Kid and Mortis or Iron Lad makes a lot
Speaker 3: more sense than them redesigning the iconic scarlet Centurion costume,
Speaker 3: which I will shout out once again.
Speaker 1: So a Mortis and Rama Tut and the younger Kang
Speaker 1: who is either the Iron Lad Kidmore or someone else,
Speaker 1: are like, Hey, did you hear he's dead? Who kan?
Speaker 1: And they basically are referencing Kang the Conqueror, the one
Speaker 1: banish they had banished to the quantum realm, and they're like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking great, he's dead.
Speaker 3: Uh. And then they're like, Bob, we all pissed we
Speaker 3: didn't kill him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are kind of pissed that we didn't kill him.
Speaker 1: And then they start talking about okay, but whoever did
Speaker 1: kill him? That's the problem because now they and they
Speaker 1: say something to the effect of they are aware of
Speaker 1: the multiverse now, uh, basically saying the heroes of Earth
Speaker 1: kind of know about the multiverse, and that might be
Speaker 1: a problem because it threatens our vast inter time empires
Speaker 1: that we have all built. And therefore they have gathered
Speaker 1: all of the Kangs together in this vast place to
Speaker 1: have to basically call the Council of Cross Time Kangs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just vote on what their next move is, and I will.
Speaker 3: Say something that's really important kind of touch on her
Speaker 3: as well. Is so Kang the konkeror we saw the
Speaker 3: horrific things that he did, but when he explained it
Speaker 3: to Janet and later on when he was monologuing to
Speaker 3: Janet and a really nice kind of echo of that
Speaker 3: he who remains stuff, he claimed he was doing it
Speaker 3: to protect other worlds from these other Kangs. He felt
Speaker 3: like they were conquering too much and he had to
Speaker 3: stop them, and they were trying to stop him. So
Speaker 3: there's this kind of constant battle which is key to Kang.
Speaker 3: But when Scott said to him, what's coming, he said
Speaker 3: me like lots so to me. And so we're now
Speaker 3: seeing I'm not defending what Kang did. I don't know
Speaker 3: the horrors that he wrought, but we are definitely seeing
Speaker 3: an immediate ripple effect of these giant Council of cross
Speaker 3: Cut time kangs by like you know two icons Walt
Speaker 3: Simonson and John Brasqumma from Avengers two ninety two, Like
Speaker 3: we are seeing that come to fruition immediately, Like this
Speaker 3: is gonna be a problem for the Avengers and it's
Speaker 3: not just going to be one Kang that turns up
Speaker 3: one time and another one. They are together, and there
Speaker 3: are thousands of Kangs here.
Speaker 1: Now what maybe muddies the waters a little bit is
Speaker 1: Kang mentions that one of the main threats alongside all
Speaker 1: the versions of him is incursions. He says specifically incursions,
Speaker 1: which you know, for people who have read New Avenger
Speaker 1: Haickman's New Avengers and Avengers Illuminati and The Time Runs
Speaker 1: Out Timeline will understand that this is a reference to
Speaker 1: the smashing together of various dimensions into the Earth six
Speaker 1: one six dimension and the choices that some of the
Speaker 1: kind of the main superheroes of the six one six units,
Speaker 1: the choices, the hard choices that they have to make
Speaker 1: to save the six one six universe. So, and of
Speaker 1: course we've seen an image of incursions previously, So it
Speaker 1: seems like whatever whatever the effect of all of these
Speaker 1: Kangs is, it will be tied up with these potential
Speaker 1: incursions of various dimensions smashing into the definitely.
Speaker 3: And this is gonna lead into you know, this is
Speaker 3: like you know, Kevin Faggie calls it the multiverse saga,
Speaker 3: like this is gonna lead into whatever reason we get
Speaker 3: to secret Wars this is it Kang dynasty. You know,
Speaker 3: he even says it the Kang dynasty, and then Cassie
Speaker 3: like breaks through him. You know, this is our big
Speaker 3: moment where we meet the people who are going to
Speaker 3: cause it, and every single one of them is Jonathan
Speaker 3: Major's and I love it. There's every kind of Jonathan Majors.
Speaker 3: They are hyped up. This is like a sports event.
Speaker 3: There's a scroll at the end, who's like, is it
Speaker 3: lizard Kang? Is it? Is it a Kang? Who's a scroll? Like?
Speaker 3: It's very interesting and fun and if you love the
Speaker 3: Council of Kang's and you love these kind of deep
Speaker 3: cut like Marvel cosmic stuff, you'll be very happy with
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very Avengers Forever. It feels like the launch
Speaker 1: time Avengers.
Speaker 3: I definitely think that's the route we're going, especially because
Speaker 3: there's like a really interesting thing here with Hank becoming
Speaker 3: the one who's obsessed with the ants and Scott kind
Speaker 3: of being moved away. Yeah, from the ads. I think
Speaker 3: you know we were talking before this, but you were
Speaker 3: kind of mentioning like some characters that Scot or some
Speaker 3: Monica's Scott could take on aside from app man.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that and in a second after we
Speaker 1: mentioned Stinger number two, So we go back. We go
Speaker 1: back to the early twentieth late nineteenth century. Uh, and
Speaker 1: it's some kind of like you know, traveling showman kind
Speaker 1: of vaudeville kind of set up in somewhere in a
Speaker 1: small theater and a scientist named Victor Timely played by
Speaker 1: played by Jonathan Majors is showing off what he claims
Speaker 1: to be his time machine and in the audience, our
Speaker 1: friends from the Time Variance Authority and elsewhere, mister Mobius
Speaker 1: and Loki are sitting there watching him, and Loki said,
Speaker 1: that's him, That's that's the bad guy, that's King, and
Speaker 1: Mobius is like, are you true? It's great, this seems awesome,
Speaker 1: and then we cut and this very much seems to
Speaker 1: be a trailer for Loki season two. This is going
Speaker 1: to be some sort of Kang launch into the rest
Speaker 1: of the universe. X Ray Vision will be back and
Speaker 1: we're back. Let's talk about our takeaways from this. First,
Speaker 1: we mentioned Avengers Forever. This is a movie that feels
Speaker 1: like heavily edited. We'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 1: Like they definitely moved a lot of the deck chairs
Speaker 1: around all throughout the production process of this movie, it
Speaker 1: seems to me that if they go the Avengers Forever route,
Speaker 1: which we won't spoil but you should read because it's
Speaker 1: very fun. It's really fun. It's twelve issues, it's really great,
Speaker 1: and you'll get a lot of the backstory of Kang
Speaker 1: and Immortis and some of the other Kangs. But in
Speaker 1: that story, Immortis and Kang end up kind of going
Speaker 1: head to head with their own set of allies, and
Speaker 1: Kang is kind of the good guy. Kang kind of
Speaker 1: a lie with the Avengers against Immortis and the things
Speaker 1: that it Mortis wants to do. Which listen, I think
Speaker 1: that I think that Marvel looked at what Jonathan Majors
Speaker 1: is doing and kind of said, how do we make
Speaker 1: him kind of good?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How can we get a good version of Kang?
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with you. He's definitely there's so many
Speaker 3: different iterations of the character that throughout history, it would
Speaker 3: be so easy for them to cast a version of Kang,
Speaker 3: whether it's Nathaniel Richards, whether it's you know, a tired,
Speaker 3: kind of weary aged Immortis, or whether it is actually Kang.
Speaker 3: The conqueror who comes back and realizes the error of
Speaker 3: his ways, or realizes the only way he can get
Speaker 3: what he wants is to help the Avengers. We're definitely
Speaker 3: going to see a heroic version because Jonathan Majors can
Speaker 3: just sell it so hard and literally, Like his performance
Speaker 3: in this movie is so good. I love their final
Speaker 3: episode of Loki is one of my favorite episodes of
Speaker 3: MCUTV because of Jonathan Major's and this movie. His performance
Speaker 3: is so good that you understand why someone would be like,
Speaker 3: he's amazing. Let just build a whole part of a
Speaker 3: franchise around him, Like, let's see what he can do.
Speaker 1: Let's tell us about your Victor Timely theory, which I
Speaker 1: like a lot.
Speaker 3: Okay, so spoiler alert for Victor Timeley's like seven appearances. Yes,
Speaker 3: as the as the listeners know, I like a strange character.
Speaker 3: So I am a fan of Victor Timeley in the
Speaker 3: comics Victor Timeley, as I mentioned last week when I
Speaker 3: was when I was just talking about Kang variants, and
Speaker 3: I didn't think that Victor Timeley would be in the movie.
Speaker 3: Victor Timeley was a version of Kang who everyone thought
Speaker 3: was dead, and it was to hide in space and time.
Speaker 3: He went back in the past, he went to the
Speaker 3: night he went to like nineteen oh two, and he
Speaker 3: founded this time a town called Timely, Wisconsin, a nice
Speaker 3: reference to the old Marvel comics, And basically he used
Speaker 3: his skills and intelligence and all of the weapon and
Speaker 3: technology that he has known throughout the years to basically
Speaker 3: create a super technological town even though it looked like
Speaker 3: kind of an Old West town. He has a cool
Speaker 3: mustache like Jonathan Major's. So my gut says, if they're
Speaker 3: gonna do this, they will end up doing what they
Speaker 3: did in the comics, which is this is really Kang,
Speaker 3: probably the Kang that we just saw. It's not like
Speaker 3: this true, different version of Kang. This is a persona
Speaker 3: that Kang puts on to hide. I think the coolest
Speaker 3: thing one because I want him to be in every episode.
Speaker 3: I think that this victor Timely is probably gonna team
Speaker 3: up with Lokiommobius and be like, yes, we must stop
Speaker 3: the other Kangs, like I am just a good old
Speaker 3: time traveler, like yay. But then we're gonna learn at
Speaker 3: some point that he is actually Kang, the conqueror who
Speaker 3: escaped from this part of the quantum realm.
Speaker 1: The thing about Kangs, just as an aside. The thing
Speaker 1: about Kangs and a more included is they are all
Speaker 1: the time plotting against the other tech tanks, like they
Speaker 1: have they are.
Speaker 3: Like the pettiest mother. They call these.
Speaker 1: The Council of Cross Time. Can't there everybody show up meanwhile.
Speaker 3: Like they're like they're putting brute to see each other,
Speaker 3: like putting.
Speaker 1: Explosives again under one of their seats, like one of
Speaker 1: them they're like planning on stabbing in the clock, like
Speaker 1: they're always, always, always planning against each other. So I
Speaker 1: do I like that. One of the things that we
Speaker 1: talked about is Cassie as stature, and we kind of
Speaker 1: got it in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she turns giant. She has a giant hug
Speaker 3: with her dad. I think it will be really cool
Speaker 3: to see Cassie on her own, like, especially if they's
Speaker 3: established her as this kind of freedom fighter esque, like
Speaker 3: someone with big morals. That could be really good for
Speaker 3: a young Avengers team. It's also going to be interesting
Speaker 3: because early on in the movie and that kind of
Speaker 3: first like really swift ten minutes that sets up the
Speaker 3: quantum rum stuff, Scott is wary of her being a hero,
Speaker 3: and I think that conflict is gonna come into play.
Speaker 3: I also think it's interesting because I do think that
Speaker 3: probably Scott is gonna move away from the am Man
Speaker 3: mantle and it will be like Goliath or Giant.
Speaker 1: Man, and you may yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Actually, in memory of Darren Kross, my brother, I have
Speaker 3: to say, look, man, I'm I'm a big Modoc fan,
Speaker 3: a lot of a cosmic beam. I'm not a hundred
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sold on the Darren cross Modoc.
Speaker 3: I hope that we will see a different version of
Speaker 3: Modoc in the future, but maybe that's unlikely. It is
Speaker 3: such a weird character to do, so maybe it's one
Speaker 3: of the ones where it's better to just do it
Speaker 3: in a unique way. But that to me was the biggest,
Speaker 3: Like that felt like a real solid, like Rick and
Speaker 3: Morty joke, Like you see Modoc and then you're like, yo,
Speaker 3: that's Darren my friend from work. Like that was the
Speaker 3: one where I felt like it really crossed over into
Speaker 3: that rather than being a reflection of all the things
Speaker 3: that inspired Rick and Morty, because I think that's where
Speaker 3: those similarities come across. As Rick and Morty draws so
Speaker 3: heavily from the comics.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the the Rick and Morty of
Speaker 1: it all. So Jeff Loveness, screenwriter behind this, This film,
Speaker 1: of course came up from the Morty pipeline, like so
Speaker 1: many Movel like so many Marvel talents, and it was
Speaker 1: interesting to see people say, oh, man, this is like
Speaker 1: really influenced by Rick and Morty, when in fact, Rick
Speaker 1: mor By this weird shit, by this weird shit, and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of repackaged it.
Speaker 3: The reason there's a Council of Ricks is because there's
Speaker 3: a Council of Kangs like that comes directly from it.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of that interesting cyclic or stuff, especially
Speaker 3: because the sci fi of it all and the pulp
Speaker 3: of it all that's been in the veins of this
Speaker 3: storyline since we were talking about you know, Captain America forty
Speaker 3: three or something like there's some or twenty three or
Speaker 3: something where it's like some old forties comics where pop
Speaker 3: written by a pop writer. So yeah, it was definitely
Speaker 3: interesting to see that the modoc thing was the only
Speaker 3: one for me where I was like, that feels like
Speaker 3: it could be in Rick and Morty. Everything else I
Speaker 3: was like this is just someone who loved playing in
Speaker 3: that playground and with these genre trips, finally getting to
Speaker 3: do it in a way that's actually cannon, which is
Speaker 3: really cool to see. And I love the inclusion of
Speaker 3: like verb, I love like a Weird Monster, And I
Speaker 3: think David does more so good. I missed seeing his
Speaker 3: character from ant Matn, I miss seeing Louise, but I
Speaker 3: understand what the choices, why that they made him, why
Speaker 3: it needed to be this kind of expanded science fiction film.
Speaker 1: I will say so to think about the things that
Speaker 1: were changed, it is I'm pretty sure there's a version
Speaker 1: of this movie where all the secondary characters that you
Speaker 1: meet in the quantum Realm, like Gentro, like veb Black
Speaker 1: Quause got a Corg treatment where you learned some of
Speaker 1: their backstory. And it feels like that really hit the
Speaker 1: cutting room floor. And secondarily, and I think this is
Speaker 1: like what people are responding to in some of the
Speaker 1: bad reviews it. I think that if you gave Victoria
Speaker 1: Alonzo and Kevin Feigy like the ability to snap their fingers,
Speaker 1: you know, like Thanos style, and and recreate the reality
Speaker 1: the way they wanted to, I think that Kang would
Speaker 1: make his debut in like either an Avengers movie proper
Speaker 1: or thor or somebody or like an A list Yes,
Speaker 1: somebody who is not a man no distruct to a
Speaker 1: man who I love. And I think the first ant
Speaker 1: Man movie is really really fun, and I think the
Speaker 1: briefcase fight is maybe my favorite action scene in all
Speaker 1: of the Marvel movies. I think the second one is good. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I think Scott Lank, you know, fills a very
Speaker 1: specific niche in the MCU. I think if your supposition
Speaker 1: is that Kang he's so scary that Janet doesn't even
Speaker 1: want to talk to about him anymore unless you know,
Speaker 1: fucked him.
Speaker 3: But that's the versional honesty. That was what was on
Speaker 3: the coying room floor for me.
Speaker 1: He is this scary warlord who is is so scary
Speaker 1: that other versions of himself throughout the multiverse scared of him.
Speaker 1: Then it's a little bit like, so he got beat
Speaker 1: but the ants, you know, So this is.
Speaker 3: I think another thing that I think people are reacting to.
Speaker 3: You are one hundred percent right in the context of
Speaker 3: the MCU, right, But isn't that like the most common
Speaker 3: book thing ever that Kang would just get beaten by
Speaker 3: some random like lower tier hero who managed to see
Speaker 3: through him. It's so comic booky the same way you
Speaker 3: pointed out after the cinema when I was talking about Modoc,
Speaker 3: you were like, that's so Modoc, Like Modoc will come
Speaker 3: in and just get wiped out and he's just the
Speaker 3: out right And I think in that way, this kind
Speaker 3: of same with I found Multiverse of Madness. I think
Speaker 3: when the movies become very similar to the way that
Speaker 3: comic book narratives are told, where they're a little bit
Speaker 3: more like you can be here for a couple of minutes,
Speaker 3: and then you're here and some really wild powers happen,
Speaker 3: and the stakes aren't necessarily as emotionally driven and grounded.
Speaker 3: That's not always going to sit well with people who
Speaker 3: grew up with Winter Soldier or people who really loved
Speaker 3: the early era of Iron Man. You know, this is
Speaker 3: a very different beast, and I do think that also.
Speaker 3: I wonder this is not a think, it's more of
Speaker 3: a question. I wonder if people who really wanted it
Speaker 3: to feel different from Phase four. I think that also
Speaker 3: might be a bit of a feeling, because this feels
Speaker 3: to me like it's in that same wheel.
Speaker 1: Ho No we're in that multiverse kind of era and
Speaker 1: to that, you know, in that vein. Part of what
Speaker 1: basically all of what makes King so hard to fight
Speaker 1: is that he's got weapons that are a million years
Speaker 1: more advanced than anybody else's because you can time travel.
Speaker 1: He's fought everybody, every version of everybody, and so he's
Speaker 1: like a video game player with endless lives. He just
Speaker 1: like a living cheek code. Yeah, he knows how to
Speaker 1: speed run every fight there is, and then he gets
Speaker 1: beat by the giant super smart ants, which I love.
Speaker 1: That said, it feels like the other thing that makes
Speaker 1: I think people maybe not so satisfied with that ending
Speaker 1: is that you I could see a world in which
Speaker 1: you needed a setup for the ants, like and this
Speaker 1: is going to sound like a joke, but like Anthony
Speaker 1: level character development for the ants, so that there is
Speaker 1: a little bit of journey when the ants show up
Speaker 1: and merk ca.
Speaker 3: Ants, No, this is what this is me. This is
Speaker 3: what I would have done. This would have been my
Speaker 3: bit that ended up on the you know, the chopping
Speaker 3: room floor. I would say this. It's like the ants
Speaker 3: were so technologically advanced that they knew about Kang, they
Speaker 3: knew that he had this power and they basically hid
Speaker 3: their identity from him in every universe so they could
Speaker 3: beat him in this one universe. You could have like
Speaker 3: a thirty second to one minute kind of bit about
Speaker 3: something like that. But like you said, I really felt
Speaker 3: that the first two acts there was a lot of
Speaker 3: I felt like maybe like a bit of puzzling putting together,
Speaker 3: where there was probably a little bit more time spent
Speaker 3: with each character.
Speaker 1: I do think you need that ant piece because you know,
Speaker 1: it begs the question in future fights with King, can
Speaker 1: you just always beat in with ants? Can we go
Speaker 1: back to the Quanta ram and get the ants? Hang
Speaker 1: nts we're at the.
Speaker 3: Dude in like in like four years, we'll like we'll
Speaker 3: be like, oh shit, the ants they came back, like
Speaker 3: the Dux Macana.
Speaker 1: Like beating the fucking ship out of all that.
Speaker 3: Shans has come back. He's on that side. It's him
Speaker 3: and Adam Willock and then just Theo's.
Speaker 1: Like heck the ads and it's like, oh yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Ads they come up like the Lost of Us.
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's part of it that the
Speaker 1: movie is getting absolutely crushed on rotten tomatoes, which I
Speaker 1: think is I do think it's part of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: This is a very common this is this is a
Speaker 1: six issue arc that I would read in a comic,
Speaker 1: and I think it is. It's it's if you're not
Speaker 1: in love with this world, it might be a little
Speaker 1: difficult to deal with the other stuff. There's some critiques
Speaker 1: like of like Michael Douglas sleepwalking through this movie. I
Speaker 1: thought Michael Douglas was great. I think if you're gonna
Speaker 1: like to me, it's definitely not a a like an
Speaker 1: Odin level, literally an like Odin actually sleeps through his role.
Speaker 3: Yeah, babe, iconic like that's.
Speaker 1: Part of his character is for large chunks of the movie.
Speaker 2: He's he's he's just like he's a dying.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm dead, babe. Okay, So currently is that
Speaker 3: fifty two percent when we recorded this, which is five
Speaker 3: percent higher than eternals. So will it become the lowest
Speaker 3: straight MC A movie. I mean, we're on Tomorrow's. It's
Speaker 3: just subjective. It's just a bunch of different craics. I
Speaker 3: end up on there sometimes, you know, it's a bunch
Speaker 3: of different critics who come together. I was very happy
Speaker 3: to see when I was checking the titles on tomorrow
Speaker 3: school seventy seven percent audience people are.
Speaker 1: Coming around, they're learning the Good Book of the Eternals
Speaker 1: and club. You know what, I need to watch it again.
Speaker 1: I watch it, watch it. I need to watch it
Speaker 1: again because I will say that I liked. And then
Speaker 1: in the last Quantuminia is significantly more in the theater
Speaker 1: than I did initially the Eternals, which is now, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, climbing the ranks of the Toma, the audience,
Speaker 1: the audience scores of the Tomato machine. But that's it.
Speaker 1: It is a wild working movie.
Speaker 3: If you love that MC you're gonna be happy. It's
Speaker 3: a wild MCU ride. Jonathan Majors Jonathan Major's Jonathan Major's
Speaker 3: Jonathan Major's I like your prediction. I feel like when
Speaker 3: we get like, you know, Kang Dynasty, it surprises us all.
Speaker 3: It's like not an Avengers movie. It's just like a
Speaker 3: solo Jonathan Major's Kang movie. That's definitely gonna be the Oscar.
Speaker 3: I see it in his future.
Speaker 1: Kang is there, all the Kangs, the Avengers are routed
Speaker 1: and then you hear on your left and their portals
Speaker 1: open and it's ants every Actually.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say before I think we hear
Speaker 3: every other we were right. But the one thing I
Speaker 3: want to say last week, when Jason did his very
Speaker 3: good MCU timeline of the ant Man family and I
Speaker 3: was kind of peppering in some little comic book footnotes,
Speaker 3: one thing that we did have a lot of fun
Speaker 3: talking about was how much Hank loves ants. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I've basically taken that as we were right, because that
Speaker 3: has not been a part of the MCU in the
Speaker 3: way that it was in this movie. So I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We were let the ants like colonize the Savage Land
Speaker 1: and let them just like live there. And that's a
Speaker 1: free idea for Kevin fi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, free with royalties Up next nerd Out.
Speaker 3: In today's that out where you tell us what you
Speaker 3: love them why, or a theory that you're excited shout,
Speaker 3: which you know we love to hear, Grant tells us
Speaker 3: a very relevant theory about he who remains from season
Speaker 3: one of Loki, and Grant actually sent multiple emails to
Speaker 3: explain this theory. So Jason, I'll let you do the reading.
Speaker 1: Here's great. I was watching the finale of Loki again
Speaker 1: before Quantumnia comes out. And something that always bugged me
Speaker 1: that we didn't know was that we didn't know where
Speaker 1: He who Remains Palace is. I've always thought that the
Speaker 1: end of the Multiverse saga would find us back with
Speaker 1: He who Remains at his palace, which is which led
Speaker 1: to my theory, He who Remains Palace is located on
Speaker 1: the ruins of Battle.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: That's actually really cool. Also, He who Remains says he
Speaker 1: won the Multiverse Award by taming aliof What if the
Speaker 1: Snaplke event at the end of King Dynasty and the
Speaker 1: lead into Secret Wars is he who Remains unleashing AliOS
Speaker 1: on the multiverse. One okay, sorry, one last thing. What
Speaker 1: if the question of which timeline will become the Sacred
Speaker 1: Timeline is what Secret Wars is fought over? Oh that's wow.
Speaker 1: All of Earth's mightiest heroes brought from all the timelines
Speaker 1: to figure out which one is secret.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm like, get hired because that's think about that.
Speaker 3: That kind of takes my very good Kevin FIGI hire
Speaker 3: the idea of Deadpool being like hied by the TVA
Speaker 3: to kill off all the timelines. I like this version better,
Speaker 3: where It's almost like all of them have to come
Speaker 3: together to fight alongside. But as they're doing it, they
Speaker 3: realize the only thing they can do is save one timeline,
Speaker 3: and they all basically have to choose which one. That
Speaker 3: would be really really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think that is really cool. I particularly like that
Speaker 1: the He who Remains Palace is built on the ruins.
Speaker 1: That is really cool.
Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of us, like a lot
Speaker 3: of people had thought like, is it is the quantum realm?
Speaker 3: Like I had a lot of people DM me asking
Speaker 3: me if that was something that they thought could happen.
Speaker 3: And I really liked that theory. But that one is
Speaker 3: really exciting to me because I like the idea that
Speaker 3: his ruins are in the remain of something that has
Speaker 3: already happened for him, but that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: That's very key. And just for those of you who
Speaker 1: are aren't familiar with Secret Wars of Bad World, basically
Speaker 1: in a post incursion world, the universe is remade by
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom, who creates this battle planet that is ruled
Speaker 1: by you know, by these different warlords and these different
Speaker 1: fiftoms where kind of every universe exists on one globe
Speaker 1: on one globe. There's a universe of thors, there's a
Speaker 1: universe beyond the wall, et cetera, etcetera, universe of zombies, yeah, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,
Speaker 1: all in one planet. That's a really cool that's a
Speaker 1: really cool theory. Grant, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the best. Thanks so much, Grant. And
Speaker 3: if you have a theory like Grant or passions that
Speaker 3: you want to share, like so many of our other
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