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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May twelve.

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Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks in NFL Media Analyst, John Ozier,

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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com Senior writer. Tebow time, question mark. It's

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Speaker 1: been polarizing the last couple of days. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: A rookie mini caan't preview changes in the scouting in

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Speaker 1: personnel department and the schedule at least tonight at eight o'clock. Muckey,

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Speaker 1: Here we are and we're looking forward to the schedule

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Speaker 1: release this week. But all the Tim Tebow stuff happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tebow Manua has taken over, and I just wonder if

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Speaker 1: this will be look this a flash and playing story

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Speaker 1: where it's it's temporary. It's because Tebow has been out

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Speaker 1: for so long, he didn makes his way back to

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Speaker 1: the league and then after we go a few weeks,

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Speaker 1: it died down. Or if this is going to be

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Speaker 1: what it was back in the day, because if it was,

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Speaker 1: what if his life it was back in the day

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Speaker 1: where it was the craze and it felt like the

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Speaker 1: cult following behind them. Then it can be a little annoying,

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Speaker 1: and I won't say a distraction more of a nuisance

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Speaker 1: one of those things where he comes, he makes the

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Speaker 1: position change, he goes and competes on the field, and

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Speaker 1: then we see how it turns up. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be nearly as polarizing because he won't

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Speaker 1: polarizing part was the debate over whether or not he

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Speaker 1: was good. Remember when he won in Denver in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, there was this debate and you

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Speaker 1: had this argument is he good? Is he not good?

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Speaker 1: There were people who thought he was a terrible quarterback,

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Speaker 1: But then you had this success that seemed almost, you know, strange,

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Speaker 1: people that he probably was an NFL quarterback. If you

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Speaker 1: knew people in the NFL who were saying why he

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Speaker 1: and and then there was the accompanying argument. And then

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Speaker 1: tight end. And I just don't know how much legs

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Speaker 1: to me sort of like it was in baseball Bucky.

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Speaker 1: He was a story in baseball when he hit a

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I'm not minimizing the kid. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure all of this is a story for somebody.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will be national distracting level story

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Speaker 1: you think do you think I'm gonna have a little

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Speaker 1: section where I have tebow Mania, where each and every

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Speaker 1: week we chronicle what Tebow does. Sounds like you just

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Speaker 1: And I'm not discount the possibility of it because it

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Speaker 1: but I don't know that it's gonna affect their roster.

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Speaker 1: that's not you, and it wasn't me. My theory, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: NFL players are a very harsh, realistic bunch in this sense,

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Speaker 1: If Tebow can play, he'll be accepted if he If

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Speaker 1: he can't, then he won't. And it's not so much.

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Speaker 1: then it will be a problem. But that's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But how do you think it'll it'll go in the

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Speaker 1: become a yeah. To your point, Bucky, I think he's

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right. A lot of these guys they obviously

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Speaker 1: that's a long time ago. Think about that, right, Another

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Speaker 1: sounds like John you know, we're not gonna see a

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