1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business App, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: If you thought the presidential campaign trail was like a 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: war zone, well now it's actually gotten that title in 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: a new ad from the Biden campaign war Zone showing 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: him on his visit to Ukraine. Remember this, he showed 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: up unannounced in Kiev a couple of months ago. And 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: as we consider the forthcoming debate over Ukraine funding and 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: the numbers we just talked about with Muhammad Unis at 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: gallop showing support for Ukraine here actually helping Joe Biden's 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: approval numbers. The campaign is out with this new ad. 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Let's put an ear on it as we assemble our 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: political panel get their take. 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: It was the first time in modern. 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 4: History, very significant moment of the world. 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: Stage, that an American president went into a war zone 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: not controlled by the United States. 20 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: A nearly forty hour journey in and out of. 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: Ukraine, President Biden left Washington, DC at four am on Sunday. 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: He landed in eastern Poland and then took a nine 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: and a half hour train to. 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: Keep He entered Ukraine under the cover of night, and 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 3: in the morning, Joe Biden walks shoulder to shoulder with 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: our allies in the war torn streets. 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: Sounds like it could be a trailer for a Mission 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: Impossible movie. As I mentioned, he looks like an action 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: hero when the sun came up. The next day, Rick 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: Davis joins US now Bloomberg Politics contributor Republican strategist along 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: with Lincoln Mitchell, political analyst, democratic analyst, and lecturer at 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University. Gentlemen, 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: it's great to have you both. Lincoln, thanks for coming 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: back in the mix. Lincoln, I'd love your take on this, 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: first from the view of a Democrat that might not 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: be completely enthralled with the idea of waging wars around 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: the world here or supporting war efforts. Does this help 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: Joe Biden? And maybe it's not about the war. Maybe 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: it's about him looking young and virile as he showed 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: up in the quote unquote war zone. 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 5: That's that's what struck me. And again, I'm here, so 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 5: I heard the audio and you heard the stress even 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 5: in just in the audio, how long that trip was, 44 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 5: how arduous it was, how he's rowed down the streets. 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 5: So this seems to be very much about his his 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 5: showing that he's you know, he's not too old for 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 5: the job. Second point, going to your point about the 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 5: war itself, It's very clear to me that the war, 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 5: Ukraine's war defending himself against Russia is on a kind 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 5: of visceral level what mobilizes the Biden presidency right now, 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 5: this is the presidency he wants, This is where his 52 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 5: passion is. He cares about the other things, But this 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 5: seems to me he sees himself as I'm the guy 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 5: that is stopping Putin from taking over Europe. Agree or 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: disagree whether or not that's true. I think I think 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 5: your previous guest and mister Units had it exactly right. 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 5: If this war drags on, if we are mired in 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 5: a counter offensive where Ukraine is not making any progress, 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 5: the question of does it make sense for the United 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 5: States to continue to give money and Ukrainian people to 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 5: continue to take civilian and military losses to get while 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 5: we're stuck in a stellemate where we're going to have 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 5: to start talking and start negotiating. That's going to become 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 5: a campaign issue. I know from people who are much 65 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 5: closer to this than I am, that Putin won't negotiate 66 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 5: with Lenski. He will only negotiate with the United States, 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 5: which for now means President Biden. So that will become 68 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 5: an issue if this drags on. But the other point 69 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: is that you know Trump will Trump doesn't support Ukraine 70 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 5: at all, and once he emerges US, once he's formalized 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 5: as a nominee, that will also potentially be a campaign 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: issue where Trump's again kind of shady ties to Putin 73 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 5: are going to be hard to ignore. 74 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: What do you think of this, Rick, as someone who's 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: run campaigns for a number of Republicans, including a very 76 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: famous and iconic war veteran, here it's the Democrat that's 77 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: going to carry the war mantle in this campaign. 78 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, Joe Biden doesn't have anything to prove 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 6: about being commander in chief. He's been commander in chief 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 6: for almost three years, so I'm a little surprised actually 81 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 6: that he would take a time out from the debate 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 6: on the economy to pitch the Ukraine war. I mean, 83 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 6: he just released a week ago I'm pretty good to 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 6: add on, you know, his accomplishments around the economy. Every 85 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 6: poll I've seen says the economy's the number one issue 86 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 6: in voters' minds, and buying large a Democratic Party is 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 6: Lincoln says, supports the war in Ukraine, and so why 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 6: talk about that now when you've really got the hurdle 89 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 6: of the economy. Just seems like an odd u turn 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 6: for this president. I'm glad he did it. A big 91 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 6: proponent of the US support for the Ukrainians in their 92 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 6: war against Russian aggression, and I'm worried about making sure 93 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 6: we get the necessary funding from Congress. So the timing 94 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 6: is good to try and convince Congress. But I wouldn't 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 6: spend campaign resources on lobbying Congress's what the White House 96 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 6: Legislative Office is for. I think I would focus on 97 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 6: the economy if I were still, you know, advising, if 98 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 6: I were advising the Biden campaign. 99 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Or as Lincoln mentioned, Rick, is this more about showing 100 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: that he actually has the wherewithal to take that train 101 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: trip and go around the world, that he is not 102 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: as old and incapacitated as Republicans suggest. 103 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 6: It's a great way to lead in is he really 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 6: as old and incapacitated as we say he is. No, 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 6: but he is incapacitated. I do think that that's what 106 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 6: this ad was about. I think, Lincoln and you got 107 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 6: it spot on. I think this ad was all about 108 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 6: his energy and getting up at four o'clock in the morning. 109 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 6: And you know, I actually think that the real name 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 6: of this ad should be quiet Strength, which is the 111 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 6: point they're trying to make, not you know that it 112 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 6: was the war zone. And I think that, Look, it's 113 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 6: a good ad, and I do think it addresses some 114 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 6: of that issue of his age. 115 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: Interesting polling data. While we're talking about the presidential campaign 116 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: here Lincoln and the idea that it's going to be 117 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: a Biden Trump matchup, We've got new data out today 118 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: that shows for Governor Nikki Haley, it's actually polling above 119 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, beating Joe Biden in a hypothetical right now. 120 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: This is a CNN SSRs pole, say what you will 121 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: about it. Haley's got forty nine percent, Joe Biden's got 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: forty three. So maybe this is a greater concern for 123 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: this White House than say, Aroonda Santis. 124 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, pretty much every Democrat I 125 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 5: know who's really focusing on this recognizes that Haley, I've 126 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 5: Tim Scott potentially even Astha Hutchinson are the strongest candidates 127 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 5: against Joe Biden in November of twenty twenty four. However, 128 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 5: Trump's lead is very strong, and we can't state that 129 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 5: strongly enough. You know, we have this way in talking 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 5: about campaigns of saying it's two's so early, it's so early, 131 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 5: it's so early. You know, if I can make a 132 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 5: baseball metaphor, it's like we keep thinking it's the first inning. 133 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: We wake up and it's the eighth inning. It's not 134 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 5: the eighth inning yet. But in this day and age, 135 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 5: you know, we're now in basically well September, you know, 136 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 5: fourteen months before the general election votes are cast. You know, 137 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 5: twenty years ago, thirty years ago, people didn't even announce 138 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: their primary candidacies till around now. But this race, this 139 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 5: primary race on the Republican side, has been going on 140 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: for a long time, and there's very little reason to 141 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 5: think that Trump is going to lose it. He, like Biden, 142 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: is older and might have a health issue. But I 143 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 5: can't speak I can't speak to that. The indictments and 144 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: the trials do two things. They solidify his base and 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: they keep him in the news, which will only help him. 146 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 5: Having said all that, it's absolutely true Nikki Haley is 147 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 5: a stronger general election candidate than Joe Biden. But most 148 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 5: people understood that on the Democratic side, you know, months ago. 149 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 5: We are in a strange situation here, and I think 150 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: the poll that you discussed earlier in the segment captures 151 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: that the only Republican that Biden has a real chance 152 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 5: of beating among the regular the main major candidates here 153 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 5: is Donald Trump. And the only Democrat that Donald Trump 154 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 5: has a real shot of beating would be Biden or 155 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 5: his vice president. If this were Trump versus Whittmber, Whittmer 156 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 5: gets three hundred and thirty votes, and it's Trumps Warnock, 157 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 5: the same kind of thing. And if it's Scott versus Biden, 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 5: the Republicans have a real shot. But this is America 159 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 5: and nobody wants another Trump Biden race, And it looks 160 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 5: like that's exactly why we're going to. 161 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: Have one, Which brings me to Kamala Harris, asked in 162 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: two separate interviews, she's at the Ossian Summit in Jakarta, 163 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: first by the Associated Press, then by CBS, are you 164 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: ready to be president? And in both interviews, uh, the 165 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: age issue was brought up as the premise of the question. 166 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: I want to walk through these very quickly. First asked 167 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: by the Associated Press about this, listen to her response for. 168 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 7: That possibility as sermon as vice president, prepared you for 169 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 7: that job? 170 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 8: Yes? 171 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 4: And how would you, you know, describe that that process, 172 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: which as far as. 173 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 8: Well, first of all, let's I'm answering your hypothetical. But 174 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 8: Joe Biden's going to be fine, So that is not 175 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 8: going to come to fruition. 176 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: Joe's going to be fine. She says, that's the ap 177 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 2: That was a definitive yes before the follow up then 178 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: asked by Margaret Brennan on CBS, this will air on Sunday. 179 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 9: The Wall Street Journal had a poll showing two thirds 180 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 9: of Democrats say Joe Biden is too old to run again. 181 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 9: Are you prepared to be commander in chief? 182 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: Yes? 183 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 8: I am if necessary, But Joe Biden is going to 184 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 8: be fine. 185 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's going to be fine. Rick, is that the 186 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: answer that the vice president should be delivering? And did 187 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: you see any variation between these two? The definitive yes 188 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,119 Speaker 2: followed by the qualifier, Well. 189 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 6: You should never be answering this question. I mean, John 190 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 6: McCain had a great line about, like, you know what 191 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 6: vice president should say, Their job is to inquire daily 192 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 6: on the health of the president, period. 193 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 10: No more. 194 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just nuts that get that's a hypothetical question. 195 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 10: But I'm going to answer definitively. Yes, I'm prepared. 196 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 6: I mean, like, I mean, that's just horrible. 197 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: No. 198 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 6: I mean, she should not be getting into this speculation. 199 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 6: She should be sensitive to the fact that two thirds 200 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: of her party want to see Biden get out of 201 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 6: this race, and she should not get into any discussion 202 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 6: of the successorship to Joe Biden, especially because the fact 203 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 6: is he's eighty years old, and it just reinforces the 204 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 6: fact that there could be something that happens to Joe 205 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 6: Biden if he wins a second term. 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: How do you answer that question, Lincoln, Is Kamala Harris 207 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: hearing from Democrats say, hey, stand up, say yes to 208 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: that it might happen. 209 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 5: I don't think she's hearing that from Democrats, but I 210 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 5: think she said basically the right thing. I generally agree 211 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 5: agree with Rick on that. On his assessment on John 212 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 5: McCain's assessment of the vice presidency. And I think when 213 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 5: John McCain had many strengths as a US senator and 214 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 5: was really, you know, a fine senator and a fine 215 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 5: American leader, but choosing running mates may not have been 216 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 5: his greate as strength. But because the Republican Party, Nicki 217 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 5: Haley primarily, but others in the party as well, are 218 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 5: making this election about Harris, she needs to go on 219 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 5: record and saying yes, I'm prepared, and you know, I 220 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 5: don't know Kamala Harris, but we do come from the 221 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 5: same town. I know a lot of people will know her, 222 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 5: and I can assure you that infuriates her. There's a 223 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 5: part of her that's saying, why do I get asked 224 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 5: this question? Dan Quayle, was you know, prima facci unqualified 225 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 5: and unprepared to be president? Always his running mate was older. 226 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 5: He wasn't asked that question. But I think she has 227 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 5: to say yes, and then she has to qualify it 228 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 5: by saying, look, but Biden's going to be the nominee 229 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 5: and he's going to be fine. So I think she 230 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 5: handled a question that she might have seen as inappropriate 231 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,359 Speaker 5: about as well as as she could. 232 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: One guy we're not talking about is Ron DeSantis. Rick Davis, 233 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: and he had quite a moment today holding a news 234 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: conference in Jacksonville, Florida, where, of course, that mass shooting 235 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: took place a couple of weeks ago. We remember him 236 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: being booed with the first lady when he showed up 237 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: at a vigil because he does not have a great relationship. 238 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: I think we can say in many cases with the 239 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: black community in Florida due to a number of issues 240 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: going back through the history books here along with my goodness, 241 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: I won't do the whole litany. He was holding a 242 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: news conference today when this gentleman stood up to ask 243 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: a question. It's a somewhat extended exchange. I'd like for 244 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: you to hear it and tell me how this clearly 245 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: important moment played either for better or worse. 246 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: Let's listen. 247 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 4: First of all, I did not allow anything with that. 248 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 10: Well, listen, excuse me. 249 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 4: I'm not going to let you accuse me of committing 250 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 4: criminal activity. 251 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 10: I am not going to take that. I am not 252 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 10: going to take that. 253 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 4: So you should you want to have a civil conversation, 254 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: that's one thing. 255 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 10: Try to say that. 256 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 4: I'm letting that guy was Baker acting he should have 257 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: been he should have been ruled ineligible, but they didn't 258 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: involuntarily commit him, and so they were No, No, I 259 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: don't know. No, there is the truth. There is something 260 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: about the truth. It's not everyone doesn't have their own truth. No, 261 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: you don't get to come here and blame me for 262 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 4: some madman. That is not appropriate and I'm not going 263 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 4: to accept it. 264 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 10: You people like me, Oh, that is nonsense. That is 265 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 10: such nonsense. 266 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: If you didn't hear him, he said, you have allowed 267 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: people to hunt people like me. Uh, the audience member 268 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: in that back and forth with Ronda Santis, this is 269 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: very sensitive stuff, Rick, but it's a moment for a candidate. 270 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: Does this help or hurt Ronda Santis? 271 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 6: You know, look, I think that this reinforces the Ronda 272 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 6: Santis we're getting to know, which is he's a combative guy. 273 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 6: He's he's he's not gonna sort of be kindler and 274 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 6: gentler on the campaign trail. He's not going to tolerate 275 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 6: people interrupting him in a crowd, whether it's deserved or not. 276 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 6: And uh, and he's going to stand his ground. So uh, 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 6: this just reinforces to me that this is the Ronda 278 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 6: Stantis that they want us to see and hear. It's 279 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 6: who he is. I think it's just a matter of practicality. 280 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 6: It's the truth as he says it. And I think 281 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 6: voters are going to have to sort of if they 282 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 6: want Ronda Santis to be their nomine they're gonna have 283 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 6: to get used to that. And it's a little different, right. 284 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 6: It's not your typical approach to dealing with people in 285 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 6: crowds that ask hard questions or even questions that aren't accurate. 286 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 6: Most people who ask questions aren't accurate, but they get 287 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 6: answered anyway, because it's the candidates, really their obligation to 288 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 6: have this conversation with people in a crowd. And you know, 289 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: he just chooses a different path. We'll see whether or 290 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 6: not it's been effective. It hasn't been to date, but 291 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 6: he's doubling down on that approach. 292 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: Well, it sure seems to be the case. We'll see 293 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: how this resonates. It's a moment that I wanted to 294 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: identify while we had our panel with us. 295 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the 296 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio. The 297 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: tune in apt Bloomberg dot Com and the Bloomberg Business app. 298 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 299 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: flagship New York station. Just say Alexa play Bloomberg. 300 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: Eleven thirty we bring in Congresswoman Susan DelBene. I'm glad 301 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: to say the Democrat from Washington is back with us 302 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: on sound on Chare Emeritus, the new Democrat Coalition chair 303 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: of the D Triple C. Congresswoman, it's great to see 304 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: you and what I guess is your last week of 305 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: freedom here. I know you're back in Washington next week 306 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: and so i'd love to start there. It's great to 307 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: have you, by the way, with us on YouTube. It's 308 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: a big week for us on sound on it and 309 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: it's good to actually see you while we're talking here. 310 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: Are you prepared to vote for a continuing resolution if 311 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: it avoids a government shutdown? 312 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 9: Well, I think our first priority always is to make 313 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 9: sure we have good funding for the entire fiscal year. Unfortunately, 314 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 9: Republicans have avoided doing the work that is necessary to 315 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 9: come up with legislation that can fund the government that 316 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 9: has strong support in the House and the Senate, and 317 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 9: we'll be signed by the President. So a continuing resolution 318 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 9: can be a backstop, But the concern there is what 319 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 9: they're going to attach to a continuing resolution, what requirements 320 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 9: are going to put in place, So we really need 321 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 9: to see what legislation they might propose to put on 322 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 9: the floor in the House. 323 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: Well, to put a finer point on it. The news 324 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: today is that Speaker McCarthy wants to detach the supplemental 325 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: request for Ukraine funding and simply go ahead with funding 326 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: for FEMA for disaster relief and the border. Is that 327 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: something you could stomach or do you need to have 328 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: the full request in a. 329 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 9: CR Well, I you know, the number one thing is 330 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 9: the fiscal year ends at the end of this month 331 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 9: and we're in a place where folks don't know what's 332 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 9: going to happen on October first, so we need to 333 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 9: provide that certainty we have we can provide strong funding. 334 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 9: But whatever they're going to try to attach and what 335 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 9: that is and the substance of it is going to 336 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 9: be very very important to see and I don't think 337 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 9: they know yet. I don't think Speaker McCarthy knows what 338 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 9: he's going to put on the floor or even what 339 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 9: his caucus would support. So he needs to figure that out, 340 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 9: But if he was willing to work with all of 341 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 9: us and work with the Senate to have a clean 342 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 9: continuing resolution to keep the government funded, that would be 343 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 9: a great way to move forward. 344 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: We're having an important conversation about AI and it's one 345 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: that you have waded into in an op ed in 346 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: Newsweek that I'd like to ask you about. We've heard 347 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: Senator Chuck Schumer say that he's working on a bipartisan 348 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: approach here to get some regulatory legislation in the works. 349 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to imagine that happening in the 350 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: climate that we're in. But in your op ed, you're 351 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: talking about privacy here and you say the first step 352 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: is a national privacy law. Is there an appetite for 353 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: it on Capitol Hill? 354 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 9: Well, there has been, and I really think that as 355 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 9: we look at technology policy broadly, we have to start 356 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 9: with the fundamentals, and the most fundamental piece is privacy. 357 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 9: Privacy means you being able to detect, protect your most 358 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 9: sensitive personal information, not allowing people to take information about 359 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 9: you in many cases that you aren't even aware of, 360 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 9: and use that information in ways that you don't expect 361 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 9: or sell that information. It's very important that we have 362 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 9: federal consumer data privacy legislation, and we have some states 363 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 9: who put some pieces of legislation in place, policies in place, 364 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 9: but we need one consistent federal law so that your 365 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 9: data is protected everywhere. And it's also incredibly important because 366 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 9: that's policy that we need to bring to the international table. 367 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 9: As we talk about what international policy want, it's like 368 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 9: when we don't have domestic policy, we really struggle to 369 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 9: set direction where we think international policy should go. So 370 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 9: data is a place to start, because what feeds AI 371 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 9: Lots and lots of data, and we should make sure 372 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 9: that we're protecting data as the first place to start. 373 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, we know it's creeping into the political space, and 374 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the headlines today about Google. This 375 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: feels like a moment to me as well. We've seen 376 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: AI and deep fakes creep into some political ads. Not 377 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: to mention the way campaigns might be able to use 378 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: that as an organizing tool, but look at this now, 379 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: political ads using AI on Google and YouTube must soon 380 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: be accompanied by essentially a watermark, a prominent disclosure if 381 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: imagery or sounds have been synthetically altered. Are we getting 382 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: our arms around this congresswoman, or is it moving too 383 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: fast for us to do so well. 384 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 9: First, I'd say from a policy standpoint, we're behind, because 385 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 9: as I talked about privacy legislation, we should already have 386 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 9: privacy legislation, federal privacy legislation in place. That's why I 387 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 9: have such a great sense of urgency about that. But 388 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 9: you're going to continue as we continue to battle misinformation 389 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 9: disinformation that folks are seeing and what the impact AI 390 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 9: can have. You're going to continue to see organizations try 391 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 9: to figure out what they think in environment should look like, 392 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 9: how they should make sure that misinformation disinformation or at 393 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 9: least what type of labeling should be out there to 394 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 9: highlight anything that might have been manipulated so books are aware. 395 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 9: But I actually think there's an important role for the 396 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 9: government to play in putting policies in place to really 397 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 9: describe what the rules of the road are going forward, 398 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 9: and we haven't done a good job of that folks. 399 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 9: It's a complicated issue, but folks have been hesitant to 400 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 9: put policy in place. And that's why I go back 401 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 9: to privacy because that's the fundamental building block. We've had legislation, 402 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 9: We've debated and looked at and we need to move 403 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 9: here so that we can continue then to build on 404 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 9: all these other issues that are going to continue to 405 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 9: either continue to move forward and become problematic, or issues 406 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 9: we don't even know about yet that are going to 407 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 9: come up and that we're going to need to tackle. 408 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 9: So we need to make this a priority. We need 409 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 9: to move quickly. 410 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: Well, we sure do. I don't know how many of 411 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: your colleagues know as much about this as you do, 412 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: but they need to start catching up quick because this 413 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: is a very important story for us here at Bloomberg, 414 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: and it's one that we'd like to stay in touch 415 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: with you on. Congresswoman, your colleague from Massachusetts, Seth Moulton, 416 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: was calling for a Geneva convention for AI. There's a 417 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: whole military side to this as well. We could talk 418 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: about this all afternoon if we wanted to. But getting 419 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: to this from a privacy standpoint, I'll be very curious 420 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: to see how much progress you can make here. Our 421 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: viewers and listeners should know that, as I mentioned your 422 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: chair of the d Triple C. This is the agency 423 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: that is actually tasked with getting Democrats elected and re 424 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: elected in the election cycle. You've got a lot on 425 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: your plate going into this new year, are you going 426 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: to take the majority back from Kevin McCarthy. 427 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 9: The American people are with us. That's why we'll take 428 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 9: back the majority. Because folks want to see governance work. 429 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 9: They want responsible leaders who are going to tackle issues 430 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 9: and help move us forward. And what we see now 431 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 9: is chaos and confusion and dysfunction from the House Republicans. 432 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 9: They are being led by their most extreme members of 433 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 9: their caucus and continue to move more and more to 434 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 9: the extreme. And we're seeing that dysfunction right now as 435 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 9: they put us on a fast track to a shutdown. 436 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 9: So we need responsible leaders. We need folks to can legislate. 437 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 9: We saw what we could get done when we had 438 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 9: Congress led by folks who wanted to focus on the 439 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 9: issues the American people care about, infrastructure and bringing jobs 440 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 9: back to the US, manufacturing jobs back in the US, 441 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 9: making sure that we're tackling the climate crisis, and the 442 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 9: cost of prescription drugs. All of these are things that 443 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 9: we did last Congress and with strong leadership, and we 444 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 9: can do again if we have strong leaders. But unfortunately 445 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 9: that is not at all what we see in the 446 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 9: Republican House. In particular to. 447 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: What extent if we have a government shutdown, and I 448 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: know that you've weighed in on that. You don't obviously 449 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: don't want to see that happen. But for a lot 450 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: of people in Washington, it's a foregone conclusion. For some 451 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: members of the Freedom Caucus, Congresswoman, they're actually asking for 452 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: that is it. Don't fear the shutdown. There's going to 453 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: be a whole blame game that follows there based on 454 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: what happened. Is that advantage Democrats in your view? 455 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 9: Unfortunately, we've seen shutdowns before and they have a broad 456 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 9: impact across the country and are incredibly, incredibly damaging to 457 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 9: our communities. They're incredibly damaging to our economy for no 458 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 9: reason at all. We can absolutely make sure that government 459 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 9: stays running and continues to do the important work that 460 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 9: it does. But if we shut down just because we 461 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 9: have these extreme members of the Republican House who don't care, 462 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 9: that's going to have an impact on our communities. Folks 463 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 9: aren't going to be able to get answers to questions 464 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 9: they have from the federal government. Things where folks are 465 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 9: waiting for decisions on benefits or immigration issues, et cetera, 466 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 9: will continue to be backlog would be back blog longer. 467 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 9: Funding that goes out for programs or even to families 468 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 9: will be stopped because there will be people to continue 469 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 9: to move that forward, all for no reason. So it's 470 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 9: terrible that folks even consider that an option or something 471 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 9: that they think would be okay. It shows again how 472 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 9: extreme the Republican Party has become and the dysfunction in 473 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 9: the Republican House. 474 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what coming up in the next hour, 475 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: We're going to be talking with retired Marine Corps General 476 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: Arnold Panaro about Tommy Tummerville's block on military promotions, which, 477 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: as we've discussed many times here, is an objection to 478 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: the abortion policy at the Pentagon. This is something that 479 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: Scott people really fired up on Capitol Hill on both 480 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: sides of the Aisle, frankly, but Democrats in many cases 481 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: are outraged by it. Frankly, a lot of Republicans are too. 482 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: I won't ask you to weigh in on the blockade, Congresswoman, 483 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: but to what extent will abortion access to reproductive healthcare 484 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: be a major issue in this campaign to the extent 485 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: that we saw in the midterms, It already. 486 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 9: Is a major issue. We're hearing from folks across the country, 487 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 9: and you've even seen at elections that have taken place 488 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 9: more recently, the impact of this policy. Folks across the 489 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 9: country strongly stand with making sure women can make their 490 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 9: own reproductive health decisions. They know and can see that 491 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 9: this isn't Republicans talking about a states rights issue. They 492 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 9: are moving towards trying to put in place a national 493 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 9: abortion ban. That is their goal. 494 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: But that'll be part of your messaging. You're gonna you're 495 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: gonna beat the drum on that in this campaign. 496 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 9: But it's what we're seeing right now, and people understand that, 497 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 9: and it's had an impact in local elections, whether it's 498 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 9: in what we saw in Ohio, recent elections in Wisconsin 499 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 9: and Kansas. Folks understand that republic Bulicans are trying to 500 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 9: push for a national abortion of men. This is about healthcare, 501 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 9: basic healthcare for across the country, about people being able 502 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 9: to make their own decisions about reproductive freedom. It is 503 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 9: an issue today and absolutely has an impact on the 504 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 9: election next year. 505 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: Well, I know you've got some very busy weeks and 506 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: months ahead in Congress. Women, I'm glad you could join 507 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: us here at the tail end of your I won't 508 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: say August recess, but we'll meet you back here in 509 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: the Capitol, and thank you for joining us on the 510 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: radio and on YouTube. Today on Bloomberg Congressoman Susan delban 511 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: a Democrat from Washington, Chair of the d Triple C, 512 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: with some interesting insights as we look ahead to campaign season. 513 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the 514 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 515 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business App. 516 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 517 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: flagship New York station. Just say Alexa, play eleven. 518 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. Look who I found. If 519 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: you're on YouTube, you can even see Kayley Lines is 520 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: back in the country and back on the fastest show 521 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: in politics. 522 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 523 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 10: We missed that. It's great to see you. 524 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 2: We have a lot to talk about. Funny not many 525 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: stories have changed in the two weeks since you've been 526 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: on this broadcast, including the Tubberville Blockade, three hundred and 527 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: one military promotions as many as six hundred and fifty 528 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 2: by the end of the year of this continues still 529 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: on hold We talked last evening on balance of power 530 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: with the Senator Michael Bennett, a Democrat from Colorado, not 531 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: a fan of Tommy Tuberville, and did a lot of 532 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: arguing over the space command. Remember it was Colorado versus Alabama. 533 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: Colorado wins. It's going to stay there. But one of 534 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: many members of Congress, Senate, and the House for that 535 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: matter calling him out to drop the blockade here is. 536 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 11: His position is wrong on the law, extreme on the politics, 537 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 11: and he should relent because we're now at a position 538 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 11: where we have three hundred people that have spent their 539 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 11: entire lives dedicated to service of this country that are 540 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 11: now in the position to lead the Marine Corps, to 541 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 11: lead the Navy, to lead the Army, who. 542 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 12: Now cannot take up their post and whose family cannot 543 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 12: make plans to move to that post because of Tommy 544 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 12: Tullberville's extreme position on abortion. 545 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: Hayley, he was so animated that our photographer had to 546 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: pan out because he was stepping out of the frame. 547 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: This is something that really lights up lawmakers, depending on 548 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: which side they're on, it. 549 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 13: Does, and it becomes a question. You're hearing it a 550 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 13: lot from the Democrats who say this is a Republican problem. 551 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 13: Chuck Schumer says, I'm not going to bring all of 552 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 13: these to the floor for floor vote, which theoretically he 553 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 13: could do. Is worried about the president, it would say. 554 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 13: He says, this is Republican's problem to fix. And it 555 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 13: becomes a question of if Tuberville is going to get 556 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 13: more pressure from inside his own party to blink. But 557 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 13: he says he's holding firm on this, and the end 558 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 13: result could be we might not have a chair of 559 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 13: the Joint Chiefs. 560 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 5: That's right if this. 561 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: Goes on, and it appears that that's a likely scenario. 562 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: He actually issued a statement today saying, my holds are 563 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: not affecting national security. No matter what national pundits are saying, 564 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: this is just another example of woke propaganda. Glad to 565 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: say the general is back. General Panaro, who we've talked 566 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: to you about this before, Retired Major General Arnold Panaro, 567 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: US Marine Corps's great to have you back, sir, as 568 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: you hear the latest on this. We're at three hundred 569 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: and one now, this blockade has been going on for 570 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: six months. How much longer do you think it'll last? 571 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 7: Well, Join Kayley, privileged to be back and unfortunately, right 572 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 7: now it reminds me of the movie about the Pentagon 573 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 7: called No Way Out. There doesn't appear to be any 574 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 7: white smoke that you'd have when they find a pope 575 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 7: or any in the near term. So it looks like, unfortunately, 576 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 7: this is going to last for a long long time. 577 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 7: It's already now it is eight bucks, so it's been 578 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 7: there a quite substantial a mint of time. And Frankly, 579 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 7: I would say this is not a political issue, this 580 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 7: national security issue, and the notion that somehow this is 581 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 7: not affecting adversely our overall national security in the leadership 582 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 7: at the highest levels of our military frankly points out 583 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 7: how clue as Senator Tumberviille is about national security. 584 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 13: Okay, so general, talk to us more about that, about 585 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 13: the national security risk here? Is this more about our 586 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 13: adversaries perceptions of US military strength or is it affecting 587 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 13: daily operations? I mean, really, what tangible is changed because 588 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 13: of these hold ups? 589 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 10: Kerry, I would say both. 590 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 7: It certainly affects our adversaries perceptions of our ability to 591 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 7: carry out our contingency plans to deter them when they 592 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 7: see that we're not putting the best leaders we have 593 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 7: in charge of our military formations, and it affects day 594 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 7: to day operations in big ways in small ways. Let 595 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 7: me give you just a couple of examples. You're now 596 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 7: in the Marine Corps, you don't have a combinant. 597 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 6: You have an. 598 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 7: Assistant commandant and he's doing two full time four star jobs. 599 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 10: Same thing in the Navy, same thing in the Army. 600 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 7: You don't have the combatant commanders, the war fighting commanders, 601 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 7: the four star commanders of the Cyber Command, which is 602 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 7: a huge issue for US at national security now, or 603 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 7: the Northern Command. 604 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 10: It's designed to protect the United States of America. 605 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 7: So this notion that Senator Toberbill has that it doesn't 606 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 7: make a difference who's in charge, there's a huge difference 607 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 7: between a colonel and a four star general. 608 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 10: I was a two star general. I've been a one 609 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 10: star general. 610 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 7: The amount of time that you spend in the general 611 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 7: officer corps to get to the highest levels is different, 612 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 7: fifteen to twenty years more experience. And I use these 613 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 7: examples so the person could understand it. 614 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 10: If you have a serious brain tumor and. 615 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 7: You're going to have an operation, do you want the 616 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 7: resid that's been doing it for a year that's done 617 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 7: four operations, or do you want the senior surgeon that's 618 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 7: been doing it for twenty years and done a thousand operations. 619 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 7: That's the difference between a colonel and a one star 620 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 7: and a four star at these highest levels of command. 621 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 7: So it has And the other thing is it ought 622 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 7: to be emotional when you look at the adverse impact 623 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 7: on families and on military personnel that have gone in 624 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 7: harm's way on more than one combat tour. 625 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 10: I can speak with personal experience here. 626 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 7: They're holding up their lives, They're holding up their wives 627 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 7: and spouses. They can't go to their next job, their 628 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 7: kids can't roll in the school where they're supposed to be. 629 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 7: At the lower levels, Colonel, the one star, one star 630 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 7: to two star, they've already lost fifty five thousand dollars 631 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 7: in pay and benefits. 632 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 10: So the notion somehow that. 633 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 7: This has no impact, it just shows me again, Senator 634 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 7: Tubberbill never served in uniform, He's never heard a shot 635 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 7: firing and anger. 636 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 10: He truly is clueless about what is going on. 637 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that because Tommyville set on 638 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: Fox News. They need to get rid of wokeness in 639 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: the Navy because seamen are quote doing poetry on aircraft 640 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: carriers unquote. You mentioned the movie No Way Out, one 641 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: of my favorites, which I will always associate with what 642 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: they showed as the Georgetown metro stop something that does 643 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 2: not exist. Does Tommy Tuberville have any idea of what 644 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: exists in the US military? 645 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 7: Well, well, let's talk about an aircraft carrier of ninety 646 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 7: thousand ton mimics class carrier or a four class carrier, 647 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 7: five thousands, five hundred sailors, some marines for security. For particularly, 648 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 7: if you have a certain type of weapons on there, 649 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 7: you know, ten decks and one of those five thousand, 650 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 7: five hundred sailors might like reading poetry. Maybe he's reading 651 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 7: Robert Cross. That doesn't make him woke. So the notion somehow, 652 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 7: I don't even know what woke is. People keep using 653 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 7: this all the time. I don't even know what woke is. 654 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 7: And I can tell you the war fighting levels when 655 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 7: you're deployed at sea on a carrier or you're in 656 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,479 Speaker 7: a submarine and you go under the sea for six 657 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 7: months at a time and you have no communication back 658 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 7: home and know what's going on, because you don't want 659 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 7: the enemy to know where you are, and you want 660 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 7: the Chinese to understand that if they start messing with Taiwan, 661 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 7: our navy can sink their navy. 662 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 10: It's primarily going to be submarines. 663 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 7: Again, he just does not fundamentally understand what our military is, 664 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 7: what they do on a day to day basis, and 665 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 7: the fact that they're in harms way like the eighty 666 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 7: second Airborne. The mothers and fathers that said their sons 667 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 7: and daughters to serve in the military, and two of 668 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 7: my sons have served in the military. We expect them 669 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 7: to be the best trained, best equipped, and best led. 670 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 7: When you don't allow the leaders that we have picked 671 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 7: to be our top leaders to lead our military formations, 672 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 7: you're not giving them the best led. And Tommy Tuberville 673 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 7: in Auburn versus Alabama, if his first strained quarterback was 674 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 7: ready to play, he would not put his four stringed 675 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 7: quarterback in against Alabama. Well, that's what we're doing right 676 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 7: now visa vich China, North Korea and an. 677 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 13: All right, General, Well, we've heard a lot of your 678 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 13: opinion on what Senator Tapperville is doing here. Let's hear 679 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 13: from the senator himself just a little bit of what 680 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 13: he's had to say on this matter recently. 681 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 14: I'm not holding up any nominations from being approved. They 682 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 14: can bring them one at a time to the floor. 683 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 14: They have chosen not to do that. I've also talked 684 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 14: to some of the nominees that's come through my office 685 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 14: through their posture hearings. They have already changed jobs. They're 686 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 14: already doing the job. It's just they've got interim on 687 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 14: their name. There's no threat to readiness. The people that 688 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 14: we need to be really worried about are her colonels 689 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 14: and majors and sergeants and privates. They're the people who 690 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 14: get ready to fight wars. The people up here in 691 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 14: the Pentagon. I don't know what they do every day, 692 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 14: but they're more of giving advice. 693 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 13: So this is something that the Senator posted on x 694 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 13: the platform formerly known as Twitter, earlier today, just on 695 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 13: that part that general about how the Senate theoretically could 696 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 13: solve this bring them one by one to the floor. 697 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 13: I know what your message is to Senator Tuberville. What's 698 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 13: your message message to Senator Schumer on this. 699 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 7: Well, I'll give you that message if you let me 700 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 7: say again his notion about who fights and wins our 701 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 7: awards as just nonsense, because it's second lieutenants, it's captains, 702 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 7: it's colonels. And by the way, colonels are being held 703 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 7: up to go to one start, so he's affecting them. 704 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 7: I've been in combat, I've been in Vietnam. I've been 705 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 7: an infantry for tooth commander, and it takes everybody. You 706 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 7: don't just do it with the enlisted. You do it 707 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 7: with officers enlisted, you do it with senior commanders, et cetera. 708 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 7: In terms of the process in the Senate, first of all, 709 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 7: I would say Senator Tuberville could have offered an amendment 710 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 7: in the markup to block this policy he's opposed to. 711 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 7: He hasn't read the book how our laws are made. 712 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 7: That's how you change a policy you disagree with. 713 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 10: He was a coward. 714 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 7: He didn't bring it up in committee. He didn't bring 715 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 7: it up on the floor of the Senate when the bill, 716 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 7: the Vinceville was being debated, the properation bills come up. 717 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 7: Why doesn't the offering amendment on the appropriation bill to 718 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 7: block this policy. If he thinks we have too many 719 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 7: admals in generals, put an amendment in to cut the number, 720 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 7: and so I would say the burden is on him. 721 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 7: I don't believe the burden is on Center Consumer. Reason 722 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 7: you can't use the cloture process for three hundred plus 723 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 7: is number one, just the time sequence, and it takes 724 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 7: two to three days to basically deal with one nomination 725 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 7: through that process. There isn't you couldn't get to him. 726 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 7: Number two, We don't want to politicize the military. 727 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 10: The military is nonpartisan. 728 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 7: These admirals in generals that are up for promotion had 729 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 7: nothing to do with this policy. We have totally politicized 730 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 7: the federal judges with cloture. So I don't see the 731 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 7: burden is on Center Consumer to basically do what Senator 732 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 7: Tuberville has done, which is politicized our military. 733 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: Well, you called him a coward general. I just wonder 734 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: your thoughts about his constituents, because Tommy Tuberville says he's 735 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: got a great deal of support in Alabama and they're 736 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 2: telling him to hang in there. Coach Tommy. He is 737 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 2: representing a certain attitude in American politics right now, isn't he? 738 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 10: Well? I would say if he is, and I don't 739 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 10: know that for a fact. I have a lot of 740 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 10: friends in Alabama. 741 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 7: I have a lot of people that I work with 742 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 7: in industry, I have a lot of retired friends in Alabama. 743 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 7: They don't agree with what he's doing. Maybe there are 744 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 7: some people that agree with him. Yeah, there are a 745 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 7: lot of people out there that played our military is 746 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 7: too woke. I don't even know what woke is. Show 747 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 7: me the fact, show me the evidence, and I'll take 748 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 7: a look. But just because he says he has some support, 749 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 7: I know for a fact that senators on the Armed 750 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 7: Services Committee that had served in uniform and gone in 751 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 7: harm's way have told him, you know. 752 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 10: To his face, this is the wrong thing to do. 753 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 10: Don't do this. 754 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 7: And so sure, I'm sure he's got some people that 755 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 7: agree with him, but he's got a lot of people 756 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 7: that don't agree with him. 757 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 10: But that's not the issue. Whether he has people that 758 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 10: agree with him or not. 759 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 7: This is the wrong thing to do, politicizing our military, 760 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 7: keeping our major combat formations from being led by the 761 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 7: top people that we want to lead those formations, the 762 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 7: eighty second Airborne, the Marine Expeditionary Force. They could get 763 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 7: in going to harm's way in five minutes or ten 764 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 7: minutes or twenty five minutes. 765 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 10: You don't have time. 766 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 7: To basically deal with it when you're in the military 767 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 7: and you've got to be ready to go twenty four 768 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 7: to seven. 769 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 13: General finally, and we only have about a minute left. 770 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 13: But you were just talking about the process of lawmaking 771 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 13: on Capital Hill, and we know that there is a 772 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 13: very difficult process. We're staring down the barrel of to 773 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 13: get government funding passed by the deadline of September thirtieth. 774 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 13: How would a government shut down affect military readiness and 775 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 13: how could Tuberville's blockade potentially compound those effects? 776 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 7: Well, a shutdown of government is the worst thing that 777 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 7: could happen. Already, Congress hasn't done their work. They're not 778 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 7: going to be able to pass the appropriation bills by 779 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 7: one October. So we're going to be in another for 780 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 7: twenty five straight years continuing resolution where you lift the 781 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 7: government law. 782 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 10: Previous year level and you can't do new things. 783 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 7: You can't have the new programs against China, you can't 784 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 7: beef up Ukraine and Taiwan. But a shutdown basically puts 785 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 7: everybody out of business. You'll have the essential people that 786 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 7: come in, they don't get paid. You can't train, you 787 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 7: can't fly, you can't operate. It would be devastating to 788 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 7: our national security. And as bad as a whole on 789 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 7: these flag and general officers are. It shuts them down 790 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 7: again too. It shuts everybody down. It's just a really, 791 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 7: really bad outcome. 792 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: And that's from a Marine general. It's great to have you. 793 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 2: We really do appreciate the time retired Major General Arnold 794 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 2: Panaro with us here on Bloomberg sound On, one of 795 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 2: many fired up about this in Washington. 796 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 13: Kayley, Yeah, nothing seems to evoke emotion. Isn't that something 797 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 13: as much as this particular. 798 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 8: Issue right now? 799 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who you're bringing up with on one 800 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: end or the other. 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