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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, it is November Eve and

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Speaker 1: we are joined by longtime Midwest white Tail contributor Jared

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Speaker 1: Mills to talk all things November and rut hunting. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X, and today in the show,

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Speaker 1: we are preparing for the white Tail Rutt. It's the

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Speaker 1: super bowl of our season. It's sweet, sweet November. My

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Speaker 1: juices are flowing, Dan, or are yours? Are you feeling this? Yeah? Man, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. I have this calm feeling as

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Speaker 1: opposed to in years past where it's got to be age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe I dude, I won't. I won't disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot changed over the past five to

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Speaker 1: ten years and the way I approach things an inter calm.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of zen. You're kind of zen these days,

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Speaker 1: Mr Johnson. That's what I think is happening. Yeah, Or

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Speaker 1: it could be like brain damage. It could probably brain damage.

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Speaker 1: Maybe two kids, kids exactly. Yeah. But but I'm still

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Speaker 1: young and youthful and full of vibracy. So I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for the ret Oh yeah, dude, I mean I'm excited,

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Speaker 1: but in just a different way, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Just like I know what I have to do and

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Speaker 1: I got I just have to go out and do it.

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Speaker 1: It's business time. It's just business time. Dan's gonna go

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Speaker 1: out there, He's gonna do his job. He's gonna execute

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Speaker 1: the game plan. He's gonna come back and say it's easy,

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Speaker 1: that's how you do it. I'm thinking, I'm thinking that's

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Speaker 1: that's your plan, right. I hope, I hope it's that easier. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Often times it's seemed to go that way. But um,

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Speaker 1: but that's what I want to talk about today. Dan, Um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna here in a minute. I'm gonna have Jared

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Speaker 1: Mills hop on the line and chat rut hunting strategy

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Speaker 1: and Jared is um he works for Midwest White Tail

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Speaker 1: over there with Bill Winky. Um. He's kind of in

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Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. Yeah, and I will boy,

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Speaker 1: you guys are chasing the same deer. Probably. Um. He's

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Speaker 1: a he's an avid white tail bowl hunter. He's got

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of experience himself. But I've always kind

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Speaker 1: of thought that someone over there at Midwest white Tail

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Speaker 1: or a similar role whatever really interesting opportunity to learn

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Speaker 1: from a wide base of people. Because right there's all

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Speaker 1: these different people filming for them, they're getting all these

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Speaker 1: different intel reports, or they're looking at all these different hunts.

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Speaker 1: I gotta believe that gives him a wide base of

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Speaker 1: of intelligence and experience to pull from and to kind

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Speaker 1: of learn from. I think that's that's a pretty cool thing.

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Speaker 1: So when he hops on here, we're just going to

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Speaker 1: dive into everything he knows about hunting the rut, all

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Speaker 1: his plans, his experiences, his strategies, what he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing this year, what he's learned over the course of

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Speaker 1: all these years watching all these other guys doing it,

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Speaker 1: what he's learned from Bill um who who just killed

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Speaker 1: a giant buck himself. Um. So that's the game plan

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Speaker 1: for the main part of the show. But for a pregame,

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Speaker 1: I thought, Dan that you and I should do a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. Number One, we got to catch up

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Speaker 1: just a little bit on what we've been doing out

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Speaker 1: on our own recent hunts. Um. I know you've got

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Speaker 1: to spend some time in the woods. I got back

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Speaker 1: from my boundary Wires hunt a handful days ago, and

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Speaker 1: And then I want to talk a lot about our

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Speaker 1: that's that's what I got in store. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that that will work? That'll work? Man? So quick question.

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Speaker 1: Have you already covered the because I have been m

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Speaker 1: i a on social as far as looking at other

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Speaker 1: people's stuff. Are you gonna put out a podcast strictly

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Speaker 1: about boundary water strip? Yes, we haven't done it yet.

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Speaker 1: We recorded it, we just haven't released it yet. We

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna release the Boundary Waters recap and

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Speaker 1: the high level overview is that it was a tough hunt,

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Speaker 1: the most stunning country that I've that I've been in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this place is really cool. Um. I cannot

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the real deal. So it was a

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Speaker 1: great trip. Um. But now now back at it in

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Speaker 1: I I guess maybe I'll just fill you into what

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Speaker 1: I've been doing here since I got back. Well, the

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Speaker 1: uh so, here's what I caught so far. Is there

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Speaker 1: got a weird nine pointer. I know, a weird nine

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Speaker 1: buck after you. Oh Man, I really apprecid. Is he

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Speaker 1: Whether he was three or four? Well, that there's a

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Speaker 1: that deer's back half his like back legs, I would

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Speaker 1: time decision. But yeah, yeah, I know. On the Back

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Speaker 1: and the tall eight. And we still haven't seen him.

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Speaker 1: We got some pictures. Um. We hunted this past weekend

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Speaker 1: Doug dir and I don't know if you know Doug,

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Speaker 1: really cool things in Wisconsin. He does some consulting and

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Speaker 1: for what we can do moving forward. So it's a

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Speaker 1: great visit. But tough hunting, man. I mean we saw

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Speaker 1: for the rut basically, or any terrain features leading like

427
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: major terrain features like big ridges, spur ridges, um, you know, draws, drainages, whatever,

428
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: big edge that lead into that. He's probably outside of

429
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: that that triangle, but you know, coming and going, you know,

430
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: through specific terrain features. So I think like that's that's

431
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: just where I'm gonna I'm gonna start. Just move in

432
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: and um, you know, based off wind direction and access routes,

433
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: work my way into these areas and just hunt real

434
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: smart as to not blow blow anything out. Look for

435
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: dough groups and maybe maybe even set up like I'm

436
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: trying to out these dough groups and just see what

437
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: see what comes through. Look for fresh sign which is crazy.

438
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: There was hardly any active scrapes on my farm, but

439
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: the bucks are there because I got trail camera pictures

440
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean. So just like

441
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: it's like they've stopped. They're not even scraping. I mean

442
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: even places where there's a scrape last year every five

443
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: feet nothing this year. I don't know. I don't know.

444
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just laying the sign down in different places. Um,

445
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: we got to be doing it somewhere. I just I

446
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: can't believe they're not exactly. It's just it's really weird.

447
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: So and it's not I'm not a I don't typically

448
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: hunt on field edges anyway, very rarely. I mean I

449
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: will every once in a while, but um, but most

450
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: of the stuff is going to be in in the

451
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: timber as far as the strategy is concerned. So I'm

452
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: looking at the picture you sent me of your properties

453
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: you can hunt and the triangle you've made of the

454
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: different data points. Okay, let me pull it up once,

455
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: go ahead. So basically you've got inside that triangle there

456
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: is a large timbered system of draws essentially, would you

457
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: say that's accurate? And then there's some crop fields kind

458
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: of in a half circle that go from the north

459
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: side to the east side to the south side. Um,

460
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: so it looks like food is on those three directions,

461
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: and then if you go to the west, it's it's

462
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: more timber and cover mostly. Do you have any idea

463
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: which one of those food sources is getting hit the

464
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: most by the does like is there? Do you have

465
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: any kind of inkling as to where which side of

466
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: this core betting area he's gonna be coming going from?

467
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: Is there like a cut corn field it's just getting

468
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: hammered right now that you think is going to be

469
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: the first place that they're gonna be heading or anything

470
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: like that? Or is it? Or is it the opposite?

471
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: And he could go any one of those directions any

472
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: random night. You've got no clue. Yeah, I think that's

473
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: the ladder, is what I as. We think. Um, there's

474
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: cattle in the standing corn which are in the uh

475
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: pick corn fields, so that keeps them into a certain area.

476
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, dude, there's acorns all over the place,

477
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: so it's not like there they need to go out

478
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: into the fields. Right. Um, there is a pick bean field,

479
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: but the activity that I saw there this weekend is minimal.

480
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: They're like I said, there's not even any scrapes on

481
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: the However, I did bump a big ten pointer one

482
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen before out of a standing corn field.

483
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 1: And when I went to go put up a new

484
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: trail camera, uh this this weekend. So but that's outside

485
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: of his his core area. Interesting, So then let's let's

486
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: walk me through the first couple hunts. Then your rutcation

487
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: starts this next weekend, like the second something like that. Yeah,

488
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: it just depends, right, So historically he's only been on

489
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: the property late like mid to late November. However, I'm

490
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: getting more intel because I have more trail camera pictures

491
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: up of him. Right, But last year the four I

492
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: think it was the eighth of November, no internal pictures,

493
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: is when he started showing up within that triangle. I

494
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: got another trail camera picture in a different location moving

495
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: through And I honestly think he his core area is

496
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: going to be to the north of that triangle, and

497
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: he's coming into the triangle you know, here and there

498
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of days at a time. I doubt

499
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: he really is betting there, but I think there might

500
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: be a day or two where he he beds just

501
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: because he's chasing it. Dough. It's you know, he lays

502
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: down there for a while, not necessarily making it his home,

503
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: and then goes outside of the triangle to check, you know,

504
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: for a different doe group or go back to bed.

505
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: But as far as the next couple hunts, it's it's

506
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: basically just going to be checked my trail cameras when

507
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm near them, and put my stands in terrain features

508
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: that have the most dear movement, right and I'm talking

509
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: like your your typical rut features terrain that funnels deer

510
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: right as they travel back and forth. Yeah, so so

511
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: that and edge and betting. So the stand the stand

512
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: location that I guess I sent you in there is

513
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: just this nastiness right where there is just it's thick.

514
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: It's actually where I found Spencer new Hearth's shed this

515
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: spring in that same thicket. Yep. So the goal is

516
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: to get and I think he comes through there. I

517
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think he lives there, but the does. There's

518
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: a dough group that lives in and around that real

519
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: nasty It's basically a rectangle I would say, a hundred

520
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: yards by a hundred yards square square of just overgrown thickness,

521
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hunt on the corners of that square.

522
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: That's the goal. So every every direction wind direction, I

523
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: have a an access route to get into that so

524
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: that when uh, you know, based when a when a

525
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: buck comes through there on the down wind side, I

526
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: have an opportunity, you know, to see them maybe a

527
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: column or or just be be observant, right, And I

528
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: have no I have no problem setting back aways because

529
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a big storm that's gonna knock a

530
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: lot of the leafs off leaves off the tree in

531
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: the next week. So when I get there this weekend,

532
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot less leaves on the tree.

533
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to see through the timber a

534
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: little bit better and maybe even have a couple of

535
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: observation sits that allow me to get an idea of

536
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: where the deer are moving but within calling range, if

537
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So if I see him, I can

538
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: just wrap see if it, you know, gets gets their attention.

539
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: You know, you make you make your example. There is

540
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: an important point I think to just re emphasize, especially

541
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: for newer hunters that at this time of year, during

542
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: the rut, one of the absolute best, most fool proof

543
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: strategies to employ during the you know this November time

544
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: frame or late October is get downwind of a doe

545
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: betting ear because because these bucks they're on their feet

546
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: looking for females that are ready to breed, where is

547
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: the most likely to place to find a female for

548
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: most of the day, it's a doe betting ear. So

549
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: if these bucks are cruising looking for a dough that's

550
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: ready to go, they're going to check those dope betting areas.

551
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: The way they check those dope betting years efficiently is

552
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: by walking on the downwind side. So what you're doing

553
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: is is like a just tried and true rut hunting tactic.

554
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Hunt the downwind edges of those betting areas, watch what

555
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: they're doing, just if you see something a little bit different.

556
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: But that's a really good place to start if anyone

557
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to get started over the next couple

558
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: of weeks, or you're trying to hunt a new property,

559
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: find those nasty thickets where you always see does going

560
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: in and out of get down one of them. I mean,

561
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong trying that right right, absolutely, And

562
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: even more of a favorite strategy than that is staging

563
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: areas like I've I found last year was a perfect example.

564
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm in a staging area where deer stop and chill

565
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: out before they hit a egg field where they make

566
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: they expose themselves to the wide open right right, You know,

567
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: like that that first ten yards of a fee from

568
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: a field edge in it's pretty thick and it almost

569
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: creates an edge to the wide open timber or a

570
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: wider open timber. And you can if you match that

571
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: with like a terrain feature like what I did last year,

572
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: and the right like an aggressive wind direction, you're gonna

573
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: what what you're doing there is the deer only have

574
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: so many options to go into an egg field and

575
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: they just kind of it's almost like they're they're waiting

576
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: to feel a little bit more comfortable, maybe waiting for

577
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: the sun to go down a little bit. And if

578
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: you can match that with a good terrain feature. And

579
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: this is just my personal opinion, I wouldn't ever call

580
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: myself an expert on whitetail hunting, but you're you're putting

581
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: yourself in a position where they're almost forced to take

582
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: a certain path once they get out of this more

583
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: open timber. So they're coming from their betting area, they're

584
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: using a travel corridor, they're staging, and if you can

585
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: get it a terrain feature to force them into a

586
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: specific part of a staging area before they head out.

587
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: That's just a killer spot. Yeah, you're you're adding in,

588
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: like the pinch point idea into you're kind of combining

589
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: all those things to like to find the spot within

590
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: the spot. Absolutely, absolutely, And that's tough for that's tough

591
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: for let's say a new guy. Like, for example, I

592
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: had a guy reach out to me on Instagram today

593
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: said he was he's not new to hunting, but he's

594
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: new to bow hunting. And he's like, dude, give me

595
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: some insight, and right, just be observant and think about

596
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: think about it. You can't, like, you can't just say

597
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a bow hunter and I want

598
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: to go kill a big buck or a mature buck

599
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. You just have to take these baby steps

600
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and keep your eyes open, your ears open, and your

601
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: brain open so that when you know all these things

602
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: that you've learned over the years or you've talked about,

603
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: it's like, holy cow, there is here's some edge. Oh

604
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: my god, there's a terrain feature. I better put a

605
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: tree stand here. And I hope, I hope that in

606
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: your real life when you're out there hunting, you see

607
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: these things that there's this inner dialogue going on and

608
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: that you sound just like that. I hope you're walking

609
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: with It was like, oh my god, here dude, it was.

610
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: It was funny today. I was checking um, I was

611
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: checking a trail camera, and so it was right off

612
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: this fence crossing on a big pinch point, like the

613
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: big pinch is what I call it. Right a cattle

614
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: pasture meets a big bend in a creek and then

615
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: there's a huge drop off that nothing goes up or

616
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: down and it creates a big pinch point. Well, I

617
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: walked into it just a little bit after I checked

618
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: the trail camera. And remember a couple of years ago

619
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: when they logged it and and then it got so

620
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: a certain part of this ridge got thick and there's

621
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: a main trail and a couple of small rubs that

622
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: are going around it, which the trail got altered because

623
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: the tree top was still there. So now they're going

624
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: a little bit further north of the down the ridge

625
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: to come around this, uh, this big deadfall, and out loud,

626
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I go like like the bills very dough boy, and

627
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: I just caught myself. I go, I am so glad

628
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: no one was with me. To witness that. But it

629
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: was just this click, like, oh, they're coming around here,

630
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: I have this, I can hit this access route, and

631
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: they're looping around and almost forcing You know, when we

632
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: when we say pinch point and we say travel corridor,

633
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: these are gray areas, right, because a pinch point doesn't

634
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: need to be a giant pasture meeting a giant bend

635
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: in a creek. It can be something as small as

636
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: a deadfall forcing deer to go around something. Right, So

637
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: when I say be observant, I'm saying look for things

638
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: like that as well. Yeah, And I think that's such

639
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: a great point as if you're making that switch from

640
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: gun to bow, or if you're a new hunter in general,

641
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: or if you're just trying to take that next step

642
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: and kill big, mature deer or whatever it is, that

643
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: that that focus on observation and then and we talked

644
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: about this a lot, but the next step is then

645
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: asking why so you observe something and then ask why

646
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: did that happen and then try to figure that out.

647
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: And when you start answering that question for yourself based

648
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: off of your observations, in a little bit of you know,

649
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: detection detective work, that's when you start connecting the dots.

650
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: And then I think if you do that over the

651
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, you start observing a lot, thinking

652
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: about why the deer doing what they're doing, and then

653
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: adjusting to that, you're putting yourself in a good position

654
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: to have success during the rut. I mean, focus on

655
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: those doughbetting areas. Focus on these different terrain features or

656
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: cover features that push deer into smaller areas, pinch points, funnels.

657
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Those bucks are on their feet, moving, trying to find doughs,

658
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: find where they get concentrated. If you do that and

659
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: then observe and adjust, I think you're you're gonna put

660
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: yourself in a position for success. And then finally I think,

661
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: my my final high level thought here on the rut,

662
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: and this is this is nothing new, This is not special.

663
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: We say it every single year, but it's a grind.

664
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: You got to grind it out. You gotta put the

665
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: time in. You gotta try to stay positive and stay focused,

666
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: even if you've hunted four days all day and you

667
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: haven't seen crap. Um. It's always easier said than done.

668
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: I always find myself sitting out there and be like

669
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: son of a mother God damnly, I'm piste off. Why

670
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: have I Why haven't we seeing anything? But then you

671
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: just gotta remember it could all change in five seconds.

672
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: Your whole season just like that can change. So you know,

673
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I always trying to remember that last year. I was

674
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: thinking about it. Last year within shooting range, I only

675
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: had three deer the entire season come within shooting range. Now,

676
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot a doll last year. Um, I had three,

677
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: two doughs in the buck that I killed. That was it.

678
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't necessarily focused on trying to shoot

679
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: a dough last year just because at the time situation.

680
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: But what I'm getting at is that's and this is

681
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more of an advanced strategy for people

682
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: who you know, have been into it. But and if

683
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: if you are an experienced bow hunter, you already know this.

684
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: But for me, I don't care about seeing small little bucks.

685
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: I don't care about seeing deer anymore. I can't care

686
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: about seeing a deer one, you know, the deer that

687
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: are that are on my to to do list, so

688
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: to speak. And if I go into an area and

689
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: only see one or two deer, and it's the deer

690
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: that I'm happy, you know what I mean. That makes

691
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: me happy. And on this tree stand that I set

692
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: up this weekend in that on the corner of one

693
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: of those that trianglor that excuse me, the that big

694
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: thicket that I was talking to you about. I know

695
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: that when the time is right, I'm going to have

696
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: two shots. Right, so I am now, I'm not setting

697
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: up for a deer could come any direction. I'm assuming

698
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: deer are coming from one of two directions, and I

699
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: know that I have a shot here, and I know

700
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: that I have a shot here, And then, to be

701
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: honest with you, I have a wall of thickness in

702
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: front of me that I can't even see through. So

703
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I know, from not only experience, historical data, and just

704
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: from how deer use the terrain, that they're going to

705
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: come from one or one of two spots, and I

706
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: better be ready when it happens. All comes down to

707
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: comes back to that more informed approach. The more and

708
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: more you've learned about these areas, the more focus you

709
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: can be with where you hunt, how you set up,

710
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: you get to that point where you are where you

711
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm just really trying to hunt

712
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: this deer or these two deer and the rest I'm

713
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: not worried about. And I know it's going to come

714
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: from one of these two spots, and the rest I'm

715
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: not worried about. And that's that advanced stage where you

716
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: have so much intel, so much experience. Um, it's a

717
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: good place to be. Thirty two yards Can you make

718
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: a shot? Thirty two yards? Yeah, thirty two yards on

719
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the max at this stand and the

720
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: stand that I set up. I think if it goes down,

721
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to go down there on

722
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: a north or any type of an east wind at

723
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: which are very rare. Alright, Well, we've got some easterly

724
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: winds coming in at the end of this week, at

725
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: least over here. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm not calling my shot.

726
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I feel like, you know, when

727
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: you set up a tree stand, you already know what

728
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: wind direction you're gonna hunt it in. Oh yeah, you've

729
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: got the game plan in mind for sure. Yeah. So, like,

730
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: so are you jacked? I know, I know we're trying

731
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: to cut this up, but now after talking about it,

732
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: my calmness has kind of gone away, and it could

733
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: be the coffee. I'm like I drink a lot of

734
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: coffee these days, and I think it could be the

735
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: coffee mixed with me talking about it now is starting

736
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: to get me, you know, Like, yeah, buddy, I am

737
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: really excited, particularly because I just got word from a

738
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: friend that Tran was spotted moving in daylight right right

739
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: in my neck of the woods last night, right where

740
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: I can. So I'm going in after him tonight. I'm

741
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna try to get that pre Rut special on old

742
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Mr Tran. He's he is a stud of an eight pointer.

743
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: So last last question I have for how's Further doing

744
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: these days? You know what? Further is disappointed me? Dan?

745
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: He posts on Instagram the other day and I'm really excited.

746
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: He's up at five thirty am, and I'm like, all right,

747
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: the guy is getting off his tail and doing some hunting.

748
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Good for him. I'm proud of him. Um. We we

749
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: got access to a new property this year that we're sharing. Um,

750
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: and I haven't been out there yet just because I've

751
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: got these other things going on. He this is the

752
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: best spot he has a deer hunt, So I was

753
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: really excited. He's gonna hunt that hard and learn it

754
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. And he's only been out there once all season.

755
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: So it's five thirty am. I see him post and

756
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: he's heading out to hunt. I'm jacked. Alright, alright, the

757
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: guy is gonna go out there and get it done.

758
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: He's gonna check the cameras pumped. The next picture he posts,

759
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: saw it. He's duck hunting. He's out there duck hunting,

760
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, get after the bucks. You gotta

761
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: get into the bucks. Does Further Does Further have any

762
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: Iowa Points? Uh? You know, I think he bought one

763
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: point and he was talking about trying to buy some

764
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: more and I don't know if he ever continued, but

765
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: I know he at least got one. Um. What you

766
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: think he needs to come out and experience the Iowa magic? Well,

767
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like there's part of me that's like, hey,

768
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: get into Iowa Point, come to Iowa and then I'll

769
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: have some guys take him duck hunting, man, I mean

770
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: duck hunter. Is he a big duck hunter? He's never

771
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand. No, he's never duck hunting before this.

772
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: This is his first time. Okay, so just something to

773
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: do that was different. Yeah, And I get it. It

774
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: looks like fun um so I just kid, it's great

775
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: he got out there head a good time, But I

776
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: really was hoping he was gonna shoot a big giant

777
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: buck and text me a picture of that. So one

778
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: of these days, Dan, if we give him enough crap,

779
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: he'll get his stuff in order and get out there

780
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: and chase the white tails. Hey, I got I have

781
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: an idea. Yeah, let's make a T shirt that says

782
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: something like I Know Further and have a picture of

783
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: his face on it, and then sell it and donate

784
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: all the money to charity. I think it's a great idea.

785
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody would buy it? Though? Yeah? By

786
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: I Know Further and I know I Know Further shirt,

787
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that would be money. Oh

788
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: my god. Okay, if anyone has the how many people

789
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: how many people listen to this podcast? Many tens of thousands? Right?

790
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: All right? So if we sell them for twenty bucks

791
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: and only five thousand people buy them, right, uh, and

792
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: then we give the you know, give all the money

793
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: that we make from it to some charity. Man, that's

794
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I mean, that would be a

795
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: lot of money. If someone could find a picture of

796
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: Further online and what I'm envisioning is kind of do

797
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: you remember the image of of President Obama when he

798
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: was running for office originally, it's like kind of like

799
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: a like this the whole drawing, Yes, the Hope pictures.

800
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: So imagine like Josh's face, Further's face like that on

801
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: a T shirt that if somebody can do that and

802
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: is willing to let us use that image. You know

803
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: a guy who can make T shirts, right Dan mr

804
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: Zar might be able to help us do something like that. Um,

805
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: that's a funny idea. If we can actually get that,

806
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: I would be all about it, don't I mean, we

807
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: should probably donate to q d m A since that's

808
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: where Further works. That'd be a good idea done. Let's

809
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: make some money. I know we're talking about the rut

810
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: here and all this stuff, but at the same time, right,

811
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: we have to be responsible hunters and give back and

812
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: the cut m a right and you know, talk about

813
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: conservation a little bit, and this is the perfect way

814
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: to do it. Sigence Field delivered. Um, do we have

815
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: to get like a waiver for Further to sign or

816
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: do we just like treat him as you know, he's

817
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: a piece of mate man, a piece of me. We're

818
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: not going to tell him. All right, let's see what

819
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: we can do. Let's do it all right, and I

820
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: think with that, let's wrap up the intro. Uh. We're

821
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna get Jared on here in a minute to talk

822
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: more about what he thinks about hunting the rut. But

823
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: until then, Dan, I wish you all of the deer

824
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: hunting luck in the world. Same. Do you get it done.

825
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: Let's have the rut of our lives all right with me.

826
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: Now on the line is Jared Mills. Welcome to the show,

827
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: Jared and Mark, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward

828
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: to this me too. I've been following along with your

829
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: hunts and stories for a lot of years, it seems like,

830
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: so I'm glad we're finally getting a chat and uh

831
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: and connect like this. So thank you for making the time. Yeah,

832
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's uh, it's cool to hear that

833
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: you've been following that. It seems like I've been doing

834
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: it forever now. But it's a it's still as fun

835
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: now as it was. They want It's crazy how fast

836
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: time flies. I was just thinking about that, Like, I

837
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: remember when I first started Wired Hunt. It was I

838
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: think the first year that you guys that Bill had

839
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: started Midwest White Tail, and I remember watching his first

840
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: season while I was starting the Wired Dunton blog way

841
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: back I just got out of college, and um man,

842
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: everything's come a long way since then. It's crazy how

843
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: long ago that was. Yeah, and it's crazy too just

844
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: to see how everything that follows, and especially in the

845
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: digital age, and just how even mid Us I tell,

846
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: how it's changed since it started back in two thousand

847
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: and eight. It's just that's pretty cool to see just

848
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: how everything develops and just trying to keep up with everything.

849
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's uh interesting times. Like you said, lots

850
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: of change, lots of change. So so speaking of that

851
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: in Midwest White Tail, um, can you just fill folks

852
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: in who maybe aren't familiar with with who you are,

853
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: or what you do, or what Midwest White Tail is

854
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: or all the other things you've got going on. Can

855
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: you just give us a real quick cliff notes intro

856
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: to you and the work you're doing over there. Absolutely, so,

857
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: mid Flight Tail. First of all, it's a digital hunting show.

858
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: It's it's always the bread and butter has always been

859
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: in the online send my Life format started back in

860
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Um I joined Midda flite Tail

861
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: as an intern in two thousand ten and then became

862
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: full time with them for a little while working for Bill,

863
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: and I kind of did some other things as full

864
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: time job in between some sales jobs, and but I

865
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: always continue to produced flite Tail from my house and

866
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: recently got back into the hunting industry full time and

867
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: now as of earlier this year, UM, I have a

868
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: production company called forty one North Media and we produce

869
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: a number are different hunting shows. Do your Turkey a

870
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: little Bit Everything? Um in middle side tells one of

871
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: those shows we produced. So it's me and three other

872
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: full time guys and we have currently six interns right

873
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: now as well. So this is no doubt our busy

874
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: time of year. You know, it's just NonStop video production

875
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: every day late nights, especially when we're all trying to

876
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: hunt each day too. But um, it's uh, it's fun.

877
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool too. Just you take stuff front, we'll

878
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: filming and take it from concepts and see you three

879
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: room the production side. And it's fun to produce lost

880
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: shows for companies like Real Tree and Cabella's and and

881
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: some other names. Um, just to kind of stay connected,

882
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: and I get to work on some pretty cool projects.

883
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I've been up to up and

884
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: like I said, wouldn't have dislike I'm still filming formad

885
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: Dislite till I think this is my ninth or tenth

886
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: year doing it. We're getting old, We're getting old. Yeah,

887
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: I like that. I really I really like the fact though,

888
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: that you guys have done such a good job of

889
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: getting stuff out fast like you you guys are probably

890
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: the best, if not you know, one of the best

891
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: at getting really close to real time updates out your

892
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: your blog, the video blogs, almost daily updates. That's always

893
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: been something I thought was pretty cool. So if anyone

894
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: out there who wants to follow along with some great

895
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: white Tail stories, uh, you guys definitely have some to share.

896
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 1: And that's that's really why I wanted to talk to you, Jerry,

897
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: because you are obviously getting after it really hard every year,

898
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: year after year, chasing big white Tail bucks. But then

899
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: you're also surrounded by a bunch of other buddies and

900
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: people that are part of Midwest white Tail or the

901
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: production company that are also doing the same. So I

902
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: feel like you must be getting this huge influx of

903
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: recent intel and different ideas and updates and how things

904
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: are going in the field. I'm sure you're just hearing

905
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: this from all over the place every year, year after year, um,

906
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: which I imagine kind of fills you out with a

907
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: pretty wide bread of knowledge and ideas and stuff. And

908
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: when it comes to the RUT, I mean, that's where

909
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: we're at right now. The super Bowl is just about

910
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: upon us the day this episode is going to go out.

911
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Unless I bomb something and mess this up, it's gonna

912
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: come out on Halloween. So November Eve, this podcast will

913
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: be dropping. So it really is. I mean, I'm not

914
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: sure there's any time I'm more excited than right at

915
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: the very beginning of it all. So I figured we

916
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: would just pick your brain on all things RUT and

917
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: see if we can help some folks out and uh

918
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: lead to some tags getting filled here. So are you

919
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: up for that? Absolutely? I can't wait. It's hard, so

920
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: hard to believe that November is almost see you already,

921
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: I know it's trying to just trying to figure out

922
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: and make sure you're ready to go, because it's once

923
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: it once, it's here, it's a blur, and um, just

924
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: trying to catch up or you know, keep up. I

925
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: guess I should, I should say, yeah, I can't wait.

926
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: It's it's right around the corner. Yeah, it's a it's

927
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: snuck up on me too. And so so I need

928
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: an update from you because I'm a little bit behind

929
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: on some of your video updates and things like that.

930
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: But early on, you were chasing a mega giant of

931
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: some kind. There was a huge buck you're after. You

932
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: were a little bit a little bit uh careful about

933
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: how much you were going to share because there's a

934
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of other guys after And I could really relate

935
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: to that because last year I had a buck that

936
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: was not a buck that you usually see in Michigan,

937
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: and I was hunting this deer that was it would

938
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: have really turned some heads, and so I was kind

939
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: of nervous to talk too much about it too, So

940
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I wait until after I killed him, and then after

941
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: I killed them, then I showed pictures and stuff. Um,

942
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: so your story was like, oh, yeah, I know how

943
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: that feels. So I'm curious, can you give us an

944
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: update on the giant? Is he still alive? Did someone

945
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: get him? Um? And then secondly, are you gonna be

946
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: getting after him soon? Yeah? I'll be happy too. It's

947
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: definitely a unique situation. I mentioned. I've been on the

948
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: flight till for nine or ten years and showcasing my

949
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: hunts and on near real time format, and I've never

950
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: not shown anything. I never had to really worry about it.

951
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily the size of this deer that

952
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: that I have to chase this year. That's naked. It

953
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: like that a little bit. It is, but it's more about, um,

954
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, just the situation with the neighbors. And I

955
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: have a body, here's this hunting, and then we're sharing

956
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: all our information. But um, there's other people that hunt

957
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: that property, and by giving out that info it would

958
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: affect his hunting and his chances to kill him. So

959
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: it just it was a decision I had to make,

960
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: um with regards to not ruining personal relationships just to

961
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: show the deer um. And then I decided, you know,

962
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: with the video blogs, at least still share the journey

963
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: of it. How people can still fall along even if

964
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: they can't physically see the photo or the video of

965
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: the deer until obviously it's dead. Then we can show everything.

966
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's tough. I knew I would,

967
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, people don't really understand. Some people do. Some

968
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: people don't. You know, they expect, they've come to expect

969
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: to see everything on the show, and I get that too.

970
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: It's just this kind of unique situation, um as so

971
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: does anything different. I would love to just show everything

972
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: as it happens, um so, because it's been kind of

973
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: interesting in that regard. But yes, I am still hunting him.

974
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: Um I've had actually four encounters with him now, three

975
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: three on camera. One we've been get any footage of them.

976
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: But the most recent one was within the last week.

977
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I uh thought I had him. He was walking straight

978
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: to us about fifty sixty yards and a couple of

979
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: those actually intercepted him. They were coming down different trail

980
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: and he saw or smelled them and went their direction

981
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: and never came back. But it's been man, it's been

982
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable this the hunt for this deer. I've I can

983
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: tell you, I've never been more aggressive on a single

984
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: deer in my life, especially in Octoba or you know,

985
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: we're not even in November yet. Enough, I've moved in

986
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: on this deer, just done some crazy things to get

987
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: close to this deer, just because I think my time

988
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: is kind of limited. I don't know when this deer

989
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: is gonna change his patterns, and I just figured that

990
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: I have to hunt him while he's showing some daylight

991
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: movement and I pretty much know where he's betting. He's

992
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: not traveling too terribly far. I just kinda felt that

993
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: that was the right move, and even had one encounter

994
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: where which is this is not necessarily my style either,

995
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: but it was my only only option. I thought to

996
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: get closer where he's betting because he's been in a

997
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: big CRP field, and I moved in on him. I

998
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: went basically inched my inch to get to the spot

999
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to be. And it took me two hours

1000
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: to go a hundred yards, and I think I got

1001
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: set up at five a five. He stepped out at

1002
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: twenty yards, but and and you know, I'm I'm on

1003
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: the ground behind this tiny little bush. He came out

1004
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: and he was just locked on me. From the moment

1005
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: his rack and his head appeared from the CRP, he

1006
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: was just locked on me. I don't know if you

1007
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: heard me setting up or what happened, but he can't

1008
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: be walked into twelve yards just straight at me, and

1009
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything is just I was just frozen.

1010
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't turn or anything. So he's looking

1011
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: at me the whole time. But to be looking up

1012
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: at a there like that at twelve yards, I mean,

1013
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: it's there's one of most incredible experiences I've ever had.

1014
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to to share the video with guys.

1015
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: It's that's pretty cool. I mean, the only thing I

1016
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: can I don't know if you ever saw, I filmed

1017
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: a pretty cool buck fight back in two thousand and twelve. Yeah,

1018
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: the one in the creek. That's probably the only thing

1019
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: I can compare to as far as just a surreal

1020
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: feeling and an experience in the woods I've had. That's

1021
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: probably the only thing that's it's comparable to it. So

1022
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: I've been getting close. It's been a pretty cool hunt.

1023
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: And uh, and we talked about only being October. I

1024
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: feel like it's like November as hard as I've been

1025
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: hunting that Jesus. Yeah, it's been. It's been a cool journey.

1026
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's nowhere near the end either. Yeah. So okay,

1027
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: so you're still on this, dear, It's just about November,

1028
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: so this is probably a good place to start. Then,

1029
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: as as far as talking about hunting the rut. Once

1030
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: November hits and the ruts starts really kicking in the gear,

1031
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: can you kind of describe how you imagine your strategy changing,

1032
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: how you're gonna adjust your hunt given that the rut

1033
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: is is popping. Yeah. I'm a big trail camera guys,

1034
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: so a lot of that's going to be monitoring trail cameras.

1035
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: It's for me, I'd like to target specific deer. In

1036
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: this case, it's it's just buck and then I have

1037
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: another deer that's on the form that I own, UM,

1038
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: that I'm also pursuing. But you know, with chasing specific deer,

1039
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: it's it's all about learning how that deer uses a

1040
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: certain area where he uses it. And that's one thing

1041
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: I've learned over the years is bucks are very individual. Um,

1042
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: there's similarities you can drawl across, you know, years of experience,

1043
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: but in general, I can't just go to a farm

1044
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: and hunt my best stand. It's it's all about what

1045
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: that deer specifically does, how he travels, how he acts

1046
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: and during certain weeks and months of the year. Um.

1047
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: All that So, Sir Tammers plays a big part in

1048
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: that for me and I just learning that deer in

1049
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: his tendencies and and things like that. So aston we'll

1050
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: continue to do with this big deer. If he's showing

1051
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: daylight movement a certain area that I know that I

1052
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: could hunt him, I'm going to keep being aggressive. Um.

1053
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: If he kind of disappears for a while and or

1054
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: the conditions aren't great, I'm not going to get crazy

1055
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: about hunting him, I'm gonna go somewhere else. Um. I

1056
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: imagine this near is kind of travel quite a bit.

1057
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: The property that I'm hunting him on is very small,

1058
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of people know about this deer, which

1059
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: obviously means he travels quite a bit. So that's why

1060
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: this kind of goes back to why I was being

1061
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: so aggressive in October. Is I just I know it's

1062
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: going to change it any day. Um, and he's a

1063
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: hundred yards away from jumping the fence and being shot

1064
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: by someone else, or you know, anything can happen. So

1065
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: it's just about monitoring trail cameras and really just figuring

1066
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: out how he changes the patterns and adjusting to that. Yeah,

1067
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: so tell me about your RUT trail camera strategy. Where

1068
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: where are you putting your cameras? At this time of year,

1069
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: is it? Is it different? Do you you know when

1070
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: November hits or when the pre right hits or something.

1071
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: Do you shift your cameras in any kind of way? Um,

1072
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: what's the locations look like for those? I don't shift

1073
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: them a lot. Usually from about the first of October

1074
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: up until late season, my cameras always remain on scrapes. Um.

1075
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: I pulled some cards this morning, and the scrapes here

1076
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: and now are just on fire. Almost every branch that

1077
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 1: remotely looks like a licking branches at the right height,

1078
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: it's it's torn up right now. So that's where I

1079
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: leave them. And the reason I don't move them a

1080
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: lot is just to keep disturbance down. Um. My experience

1081
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: of scraps will continue to be hot all the way

1082
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: through November. It's just not worth going around and justin

1083
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: too much and doing too much damage when you don't

1084
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: really need to. Yeah, um, but yeah, and then you

1085
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: know what. What show cameras specifically is a little bit

1086
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: off topic, but um, I like to try to have

1087
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: as many elements as possible when setting up a camera,

1088
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: so I usually have a scrape, but it's also usually

1089
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: on an intersection of trails or the edge of a

1090
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: field or something like that where I get more than

1091
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: just the scrape activity. I get the travel routes and

1092
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: directions and stuff like that too. I want as much

1093
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: information from one single camera location as possible. Yeah, I

1094
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: like that. What about how you're specifically setting up? Are

1095
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: you hanging high in the tree and pointing down? Do

1096
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: you put it at eye level? Do you have a

1097
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: certain I don't know. Do you worry about dear noticing

1098
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: the camera at all? I don't I like eye level.

1099
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: I think I may here even just I like quality

1100
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: pictures too much, you know, I think he could probably

1101
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: get away with, you know, hiding them and make sure

1102
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: you don't do any damage. Um. But most dear in

1103
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: my experience, haven't been too scared of cameras. But this

1104
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: this kind of goes back to me talking about bucks

1105
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: being individuals. There are there are some that react differently.

1106
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: You know, some will come in not care, will work

1107
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: to scrape really aggressively. Uh. Some you'll still get their picture,

1108
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: but they know once that camera starts going off, they'll

1109
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: just walk away. Um totally. You know, there's times where

1110
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: maybe it'd be better to to hide the camera a

1111
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: little bit more pointed down, so it's not their face.

1112
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: But in general, I think I just like quality photos

1113
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: too much, and even I use some white flash cameras

1114
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: still too, just because those night pictures are so so

1115
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: cool that I just I know they react a little

1116
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: more to the white flash, but it's worth it in

1117
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: my opinions. Yeah, it's hard to uh, I certainly can

1118
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: relate sometimes those pictures. Sometimes they're just as much fun

1119
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: as anything. Oh man, I just yeah, I love the

1120
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: whole process of from trail cameras, even even well past

1121
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: the hunting strategy aspect of it. I just I like

1122
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: learning about deer through trail cameras. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1123
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: So one of the things that I'm always debating when

1124
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: it comes to my camera setups during the rut is

1125
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: the fact that stuff changes so fast during the rut.

1126
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: It can be on in a location for today and

1127
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: then tomorrow could be crickets. So it seems like getting

1128
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: trail camera intel quick is really important. But on the

1129
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: other hand, I'm like you, and then I'm really always

1130
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: trying to keep my presence low. I want to be

1131
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: in there as minimally as possible, So I always have

1132
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: this debate internally, I'm like, should I check cameras or

1133
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: should I stay away? And I go back and forth,

1134
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. How how do you

1135
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: think about that? How often are you checking your cameras

1136
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: and how do you try to minimize that impact during

1137
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: the rut? Yeah, I have the same mindset as you.

1138
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to be smart about everything. By

1139
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: the same time, you want as much information as possible. UM.

1140
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: I do two things. One, I try to set the

1141
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: cameras up in easy to access locations UM places that

1142
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: easy to drive to with the ut V or something

1143
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: so that I'm not leaving grounds and I'm I'm in

1144
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: an area where you're used to see in some type

1145
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: of activity. I want to pull in those. And then

1146
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: the second thing that's really changed in the last couple

1147
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: of years for me is I'm using the system from

1148
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: cutting Back called cutty Link. And that's pretty slick system

1149
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: because you can get UM I think it's up to

1150
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen cameras to communicate to one home camera,

1151
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: so you can put the home cameras and an easy

1152
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: access location and put all the other ones out wherever

1153
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: betting areas just corris places are hard to access. Um,

1154
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: and those those pictures get sent to your one easy

1155
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: to access camera and that's really changed my strategy for

1156
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: for setting upsherial cameras. So informs where I can use

1157
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: that cutty link, Um, I'm more apt to get past

1158
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: the easy access locations system up in betting areas, deep

1159
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: in the timber stuff like that and get that information.

1160
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 1: And that's that's been a game changer for sure. Yeah,

1161
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: that's pretty nice to to let those sit and not

1162
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: need to go physically visit them. I've I haven't used

1163
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,479
Speaker 1: that in particular, but I've used other cell camera type

1164
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: things like that, and that can help us on Yeah,

1165
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: no doubt, I haven't used too much of the cell

1166
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: cams yet. Um, But that you know this this cutty link,

1167
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: you still have to go to the property and pull

1168
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: the card, but at least you don't have to go

1169
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: visit every camera. It's a huge time saver too when

1170
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: you're checking a lot of cameras. That makes a big difference.

1171
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: So when you when you're looking at camera pictures, to you,

1172
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: I think I heard you mentioned the fact that you're

1173
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: looking at past data as well. Do you pay much

1174
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: attention to annual patterns and see these bucks doing something

1175
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: similar year after year, or any kind of trend like

1176
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: that I do, but not in the sense of like

1177
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: really like micro at the micro level. It's more like

1178
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: general area usage as opposed to well, on this day

1179
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: last year, with these conditions, he walked on this trail.

1180
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't, I don't. I don't go to

1181
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: that level, but I will stay you know, during this

1182
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: first two weeks in November, he was really using this

1183
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: part of the form last year. I'm really going to

1184
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: focus on that and in the hopes that he does

1185
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: it again. So yes, I do look at that, but

1186
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: not at the level that some guys do. I don't think. Yeah,

1187
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's pretty well in line with

1188
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: what I found is is you can get a general trend,

1189
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: a general idea like this time of year, he basically

1190
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: he usually starts moving or this area. He tends to

1191
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: get hot at this point. But they're still individual, wild

1192
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: animals that just do random things sometimes whatever they want. Yeah, exactly,

1193
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: and that could just be I just personally haven't seen

1194
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: something like that workout exactly twice, you know, two years

1195
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: in a row. But in general, I agree with you.

1196
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: I think sometimes their patterns are a lot more random. Yeah,

1197
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: So do you have any kind of data like that

1198
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: on either of these two target bucks from last year

1199
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: or previous years that's going to help you one of them?

1200
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: I do. The one that's not not the giant, I

1201
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: don't really have. This is my first year hunting that property.

1202
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: I've helped manage it over the years, so I've never

1203
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: personally hunted it. Um this year, I think seems to

1204
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: travel a lot, just again based on a lot of

1205
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: neighborhood information. Um the other buck that I'm targeting. So

1206
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: a buddy and I bought this property. This is my

1207
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: first farm I've ever owned. I bought it in two

1208
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, and he and I had our first hunt

1209
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: together there on November three of two seventeen, and this

1210
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: deer I called Marino. Uh, he walked underneath our treesty

1211
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: and we had a futrail camp pictures of him before

1212
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: our first time, and we kind of decided that, uh,

1213
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: not really knowing, not having history, we're gonna pass the deer.

1214
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: I thought he's made four and a half years old.

1215
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: He walked underneath our trees center very first hunt, like

1216
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes after getting set up, there's just the coolest

1217
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: experience on the first farm. And you know, I just

1218
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: let's he the lifelong dream of owning a property and

1219
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: have a deer like this walk underneath us. I mean,

1220
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: he's probably he's a really good deer, pushing like one

1221
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: sixty type year as a four year old, and so

1222
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: I do have a lot of information in my hand

1223
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: from seventeen and that one too. This year he doesn't

1224
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: really look all that much different than he did as

1225
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: a four and a half year a little more mass

1226
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: and a lot bigger body. But it is pretty cool

1227
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: having that many years of history and really getting to

1228
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: know how it uses a certain areas. So I like,

1229
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good idea of what he likes

1230
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: to do throughout the course of late October and into November.

1231
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: Can you describe that? Can you tell us what you

1232
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do and how you're gonna let let's

1233
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: say the big giant is out of the picture for

1234
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: some reason and now you're just focusing on Marino November arrives.

1235
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: Can you kind of walk me through the stuff you know,

1236
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: and then how you would try to hunt based off that. Yeah, essentially,

1237
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: the uh, because we've got got a late start in seventeen.

1238
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of October information from

1239
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: that first year, but both last year and this year

1240
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: he slowly made his way from one arm, one end

1241
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: of the farm to the other throughout the year. Um

1242
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: it's been pretty interesting to watch that and think a

1243
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with crops coming out

1244
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He kind of sucks in once

1245
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: all once all the neighborhood cover starts disappearing. Um So,

1246
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: essentially he started at the north end of our of

1247
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: our farm last year, and he did the same again

1248
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: this year. Pretty pretty nocturnal activity unless if it was

1249
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: this he is moving more tonight or he's betting a

1250
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: lot further away from than where our cameras were at.

1251
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: But he slowly started to do the thing that he

1252
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: did last year. As you get to November, he becomes

1253
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot more active on the farm, a lot more

1254
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: daylight active. He's he's betting kind of back in our

1255
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: main peninsula where most of the other dear bed. Um

1256
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: So he's he kind of made that transition and within

1257
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: the last week to two weeks, I would say, and

1258
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: that's pretty much in line with last year. And then

1259
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: he's pretty much there being the rest of you the year. Um,

1260
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: he uses one main kind of travel quarter. Of course

1261
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: branches out a little bit just looking for dose or whatever,

1262
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: but they kind of used as a central part of

1263
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: our farm. Um. It's just it's all about making sure

1264
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: we can get in and now undetected. It's kind of

1265
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: a tough farm to hunt access wise, but if if

1266
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: we're good about access and keep disturbance down, we should

1267
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: have a really good shot at this year. Has November

1268
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: comes in, that's exciting, So how do you act or

1269
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: how can you carefully access it? Like? What is the

1270
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: solution to that challenge? So the ultimate solution is to

1271
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: put a boat in the water about a mile away

1272
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: and and actually vote in because our our farm is

1273
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: along the river. Um, there's just a lot harder logistically.

1274
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't want a boat so beat far when someone's

1275
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: boat to make it work, and I have done that,

1276
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: We've had some good haunts. I should have done that

1277
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: this morning with where we hunted. But Uh, for me,

1278
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 1: it's it's an everyday decision on how exul access. Sometimes

1279
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll drive an electric g TV. Sometimes I'll the

1280
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: u TV way back in the timber not to leave

1281
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: ground cent and try to park it in some brush. Um.

1282
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes I will leave it out further away and walk

1283
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: further than you're kind of leaving the ground sent but

1284
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: it's still quieter than driving the U TV. So I

1285
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have a great answer. It's a

1286
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: it's just some farms are just harder to access, and

1287
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: there's no real great solution to it, um other than

1288
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: just trying to have some luck on your side every

1289
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: once in a while. Yeah, do you find yourself ever

1290
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: limiting how often you hunt it more than usual because

1291
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: of that? Because I've got a farm kind of like that,

1292
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: and I because of I know that every time coming

1293
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: in and out is going to be more of an

1294
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: impact than I really wish it was. I've been thinking, Hm,

1295
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: I trying to say, I've been really really picky about

1296
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: when I go in and out because I know it's

1297
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: an impact every time just because of that access. Is

1298
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: that something you think about? I do, and that that

1299
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: actus plays into one of my bigger strategies overall, and

1300
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: that's the moving around a lot. So I will I'll

1301
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: hunt it a little bit less, but my more often

1302
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: than not solution is to move around on the farm.

1303
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: Because I'm a big, big believer in the first time

1304
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: in um and not not just first time in on property,

1305
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: but first time in a specific tree, that the success

1306
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: rates are so much higher in my experience, UM, and

1307
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: it just keeps decreasing every time you hunt the same spot.

1308
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: You know, I think we do a lot more damage

1309
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: than we think we do after the hunt. Even if

1310
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: you don't see you seem to spook any deer during

1311
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: that hunt. You know, there's a lot of deer that

1312
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: could come by a day later, two days later, three

1313
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: days later, and uh, figure out what you just there

1314
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 1: with that's crown sand And they're just very keen of

1315
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, keenly aware of their surroundings. UM. So I

1316
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: will move around almost intentionally thinking that I probably spooked

1317
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: a deer. This is how they're gonna just this is

1318
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: where I'll set up, and I'll bounce around a lot.

1319
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: I do. My haunts are hanging haunts while we're carrying

1320
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: in tree stands, setting them up and then take him

1321
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: down after the hunt. So I like to be very

1322
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: mobile and that it gets me a lot higher percentage

1323
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: of haunts that are first time in because you know,

1324
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm hunting new trees all the time. Yeah, yeah, but

1325
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of my strategy. I don't necessarily I had

1326
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: a little bit less when it's bad access, but I

1327
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: probably just move around a lot more when I know

1328
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,480
Speaker 1: there's a good chance i'd disturb something. Yeah, that makes sense. Um,

1329
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: And and I understand the thought process there. I'm trying

1330
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: to do more and more of that myself. What I'm

1331
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: curious about, though, is, especially for people that are just

1332
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: getting started trying to do more of that hanging hunt idea,

1333
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 1: it can be a little tricky. It's hard to do quietly,

1334
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to do in the dark, it's hard to

1335
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,959
Speaker 1: do when you haven't done it a whole lot. Anything

1336
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: you've learned over the years, having done this for so

1337
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: long that could help someone just become more efficient doing

1338
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: a hanging hunt, or I don't know, any way to

1339
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: keep from spooking somebody dearer when you're getting set up,

1340
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: or anything that you're thinking about when you're going in

1341
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: and out doing that. Yeah, Um, A lot of it's

1342
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: just practice. You you need to develop a system that

1343
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: works for you. You know, how you specifically pack your

1344
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: sticks to your stand or you know, maybe if you're

1345
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: saddle hunting, how how you pack everything together. But um,

1346
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: it all just comes down to routine. And the other

1347
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: big thing I would tell people too, is because I

1348
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: find myself doing this still. But it's just it's take

1349
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: your time and be quiet and be safe when setting up.

1350
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: That's a huge one. But I think we get in

1351
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: these situations where it's starting to crack light and you're like, well,

1352
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: I just need to get I need to get in

1353
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: the tree, I need to get set up, and you

1354
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: break more branches, you make more noise. Um, you just

1355
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: kind of start sweating, giving off more sent like all

1356
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: these little things that if you just take your time

1357
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: and go slower, um, that tends to be a little

1358
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: more efficient. You tend to be a little bit more

1359
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: stealthy that way. Um, So you're kind of just telling

1360
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: yourself to take your time. I mean, there's no if

1361
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna do more damage by rushing than you are

1362
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: if you just take your time, and even if you

1363
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: get set up a little late. I I when I'm

1364
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: hanging hunting in the dark in the morning, I like

1365
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: to get in there really early. I think we were

1366
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: walking into the woods almost two and a half hours

1367
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: before the official sunrise time this morning. Um, so I

1368
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: like to just get mixed up plenty of time. I'm

1369
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: not afraid to use a flashlight. I don't think it

1370
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: bothers a deer too much. I use a little red

1371
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: light so I can see what I'm stepping on, and

1372
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: so I can see obviously for hanging sticks in the stand. Um, Like,

1373
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: those are the main things. The biggest thing I would

1374
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: help guys that are just starting out on hanging hunting

1375
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: is just be safe. Um, there's a lot more that

1376
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: can go wrong if you're hanging tree stands every hunt

1377
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: and taking down tree stands every hunt. Just always make

1378
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: sure you're connected to the tree. That's a big one

1379
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: I like to push. Yeah, that's a very important point, um,

1380
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: speaking of moving stands and hanging stands you know every

1381
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: day or whatever. One of the dilemmas that I've found

1382
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: myself in a handful quite a few times over the

1383
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: years is it's it's the rut, and I'm in a

1384
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: good rut location, you know, one of those spots that

1385
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: you know should be good for this time that year.

1386
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm in some kind of pinch point, or maybe

1387
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: i'm you know, downwind of a bedding of a dough

1388
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 1: betting area, the spots that just scream great rut location,

1389
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: some set up there. But then I see a mature buck,

1390
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: maybe my my target buck, and I see him go

1391
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 1: moving somewhere else. And then you are sitting there thinking, Okay,

1392
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: should I take advantage of that recent intel I just

1393
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: saw him do something? Do I think he's gonna do

1394
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: it again? Should go moving it closer to the action

1395
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: or do I stay put where I know should be

1396
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: good for the rut, but just saw the bucket want

1397
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: and you somewhere else? Do you do you chase sightings

1398
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: like that? Or will you stick it out for the

1399
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: day or something like that if you know you're in

1400
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: a good location, like I think, the bigger picture question

1401
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: asking is how do you make adjustments during the rut?

1402
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: Is it all based off what you see? Or do

1403
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: you stick to how the terrain should move dear and

1404
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: hope that they come through there eventually? I adjust way

1405
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: more often than I sit and hope that the spot

1406
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: works out based on me thinking that's a good spot. Um.

1407
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: I adjust all the time, even if it's a matter

1408
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: of moving thirty yards forty yards. I do that all

1409
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: the time. I can think back to and not just

1410
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: a specific deer. I'll watch generally how the deer moved

1411
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: through a property, especially if I'm trying to learn a property.

1412
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of years experience on UM

1413
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: And that's kind of been my situation over the past

1414
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: four or five years. I've hunted a lot of different

1415
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: new forms, just losing permission, gaining permission, stuff like that.

1416
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: So and it's a lot of fun learning a new property,

1417
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: but UM, you know, it's a challenge to and and

1418
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: my biggest strategy is just learning and adjusting on the fly.

1419
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: So I'll have a hunt, observe what I what, whatever happens,

1420
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: and then I'll move based on what I saw that

1421
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: night or what cameras are telling me of course too,

1422
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: but more often I'm moving based on the actual sightings

1423
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: during hunts. UM. I can give an example of the

1424
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: deer I killed in two thousand sixteen UM as a

1425
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: brand new property I didn't know anything about, and I

1426
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: just slowly started to learn it, and I did a

1427
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: lot of quote unquote observation sits where I could just

1428
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: see a lot. They weren't necessarily out of the game,

1429
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: not being able to kill deer, but it was just

1430
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: spots where I know I could see a lot and

1431
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: adjust if I needed. Then every hunt I would move

1432
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: and i'd move fifty yards one way, and um, just

1433
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: every hunt I would try something new, and eventually I

1434
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: found the spot where most of the deers seem to

1435
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: be moving to in the mornings. There's a tiny little

1436
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: wood lot, and I believe there's November one, I moved

1437
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: in there for a morning hunt to a hanging hunt

1438
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: the dark, and shortly after sunrise I had out a

1439
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: giant deer walk into seven yards and I killed him.

1440
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: And that I wouldn't have done that if it wasn't

1441
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: a constant adjusting game throughout those first three weeks in November. Um,

1442
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: it's just all the piece of lead to that little woodlot,

1443
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 1: and that's where I killed that big deer. So to

1444
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: answer your question, I do ad just a lot. Even

1445
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 1: if it's only a small distance like I said, or

1446
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: thirty yards, sometimes that's enough to put you in the

1447
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: game or at least give you that fighting to make

1448
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: the next move. Yeah, but man, that's like the hardest

1449
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: move for me. When you know you can, I gotta

1450
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: I'd see him if I stayed here. But you're right,

1451
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: I gotta move that twenty yards to get a shot

1452
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: with a bow. Making that decision, at least for me,

1453
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: you're fighting a serious amount of lazy human nature. Like

1454
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: so close, but the details just matters so much when

1455
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: you're bow hunting these deer. Um. Yeah, which, and of

1456
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: course there's situations where you should stay. You know, I'm

1457
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,520
Speaker 1: talking in general and my experience. But if there's situations

1458
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: where you've seen that book in the spot you're already

1459
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: sitting before you just happened to be, you know, fifty

1460
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: yards away that day, then maybe I'm gonna sit. You know,

1461
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: if if my past information tells me that that book

1462
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: is still moving here, I may not be quite a

1463
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: zepp to move, But if not, then I would absolutely move.

1464
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: That's a good point. What about and then this is

1465
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: this is particularly relevant to to the rut. What if

1466
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: it's um November three or fourth, or fifth, or somewhere

1467
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: in that early November period, and you see something, you

1468
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: observe a buck your afternos in the morning, would you

1469
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: move actually that day if you saw something that he

1470
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: moves off, would you get down right then and there,

1471
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: get down at mid day and make an adjustment right then?

1472
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: Or do you like to stick it out till the

1473
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: next day. Um. I would say that made a lot

1474
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: of moves that day, because most of the times your

1475
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: conditions are gonna be a little bit more similar that

1476
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: same day than they might be the following day. You know,

1477
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is, the temperature change, the pressure change, whatever,

1478
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: it's usually somewhat different that next day. So I would

1479
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: rather hunt those same conditions, and that visual sighting tells

1480
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: me what area he's in right now. UM, So I'm

1481
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna make an adjustment on that as opposed to leaving

1482
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: in having that twenty four hour period where who knows

1483
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: where he's gonna go. I'm probably more out to make that,

1484
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: make that move sooner rather than later. Yeah. Something I've

1485
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: seen a little bit. I've seen it a handful of

1486
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: times myself, and I've heard a lot of people talk about.

1487
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you've seen this too, is that sometimes

1488
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: during the rut, when a buck's locked on a doll

1489
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: or chasing the dough a dough, we'll we'll take a

1490
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: buck through a certain area, let's say, passes by a

1491
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: ago tree. You'll watch it from a hundred yards away,

1492
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: and if you keep watching it, she might come back

1493
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: through another time or two more times through other daily

1494
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: it seems like sometimes these doughs i've got a buck

1495
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: on them, they'll almost have a loop of sorts. And

1496
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: so because of that, I've always try if I see

1497
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: a dough take a buck somewhere once, I'm going to

1498
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 1: try to get on that path and hope they've come

1499
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: back through again. Um, have you seen the same thing?

1500
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: Is that the kind of thing you would move on

1501
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: in that kind of case? Yeah, I think I would

1502
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: do the same. I haven't personally seen that. I have

1503
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 1: her guys talk about it, Um, but yeah, I would.

1504
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: It's kind of I would probably move for the same

1505
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: reason as we just talked about them on the previous point.

1506
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: Just that's what I saw. I'm gonna move there with

1507
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: hopes of them coming back by. Even if it's a

1508
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: little bit different movement than what you're specifically referring to,

1509
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: I still know that I still feel that I'm my

1510
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: chances are going to be better where I just sold them,

1511
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,480
Speaker 1: rather than just waiting it out where I'm at. Yeah.

1512
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 1: You mentioned the fact that you have been hunting a

1513
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: lot of new properties recently. Yeah, and you touched a

1514
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: little bit I think on a couple of things you

1515
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: probably do. You mentioned observation stands, Um, but can you

1516
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: share anything else you do when you're trying to figure

1517
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: out a new farm. I mean, I don't know. There

1518
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: might be people heading out for their rut vacation. It's

1519
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: their first time hunting this new farm. Maybe in there

1520
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: here for a week or two in November. Anything you

1521
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: do to try to learn in the rut. Yeah, that's

1522
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: the biggest one that has already hit on. Just put

1523
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: yourself in spots that you can see a lot and

1524
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: learn from. Um. If not, if you don't have time,

1525
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: maybe your hunt's a little bit shorter, maybe it's only

1526
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: a week or something. You don't really have time to

1527
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can call it a waste of a

1528
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: hunt if you're sitting an observation stand. But um, then

1529
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: it comes down to aerial scouting, and you can just

1530
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: look at a lot of the a lot of stuff,

1531
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: the terrain features and everything that historically have been good

1532
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: for you, whether that's looking for good funnels on the

1533
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: property or ridges or whatever you'd like to hunt personally. Um.

1534
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: But if if the guy does have the time, I've

1535
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: learned so much about properties just being out there and

1536
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: visually observing. And sometimes I've got permission on properties in

1537
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: late October and I've i haven't been afraid to go

1538
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: in there, spend one day, maybe it's a rainy day

1539
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: where you're leftover, since not gonna be as bad, and

1540
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: just put a lot of boots on it, put a

1541
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: lot of miles on your boots and just walk around.

1542
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: Check out how the train lays, check out where the

1543
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: sign is, UM, trails are uh, where the food is UM.

1544
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be afraid to walk around if you can

1545
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: do it on ideal conditions, like I said, with the

1546
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: rain or high winds or something that'd be best. But

1547
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: it's so much different seeing something, whether it's from a

1548
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: stand or just walking around the property. Then it is

1549
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: looking at aerial map and and that's what I like

1550
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: to do more often than not. Yeah, what's the kind

1551
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: of stuff that you're really keen in on when you're

1552
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: walking around and actually scouting like that? Are you? You

1553
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: know some guys really love rubline, some guys are obsessed

1554
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: with a great scrape area or something like that. What's

1555
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: the sign that you are really wanting to see that

1556
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: will help you zero in on something? I like terrain

1557
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: features that forced movement a certain way. Um. Like that

1558
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: like ahead of a ditch would be a good example

1559
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: of that because usually that comes with a couple of

1560
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: different things. One, you pretty much know how the deer

1561
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 1: going to travel through there, but two it usually gives

1562
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: you a good direction to blow your wind too. So um,

1563
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: And I like using creeks and ditches and stuff like

1564
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: that for access. So I'm like, I like finding terrain

1565
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: features that that kind of manipulate the deer movement or

1566
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: forced the deer movement a certain way. Um. That's probably

1567
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: one of my favorite ones. I'm not huge on hunting

1568
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: scrape lines and road lines things like that, just because

1569
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: I just by looking at without camera knowledge, I don't

1570
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: know whether that's mills and night or some daytime or

1571
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: anything like that. And they kind of seem to be

1572
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: a little bit inconsistent as far as which bucks used

1573
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: them when in my experience. So I like to look

1574
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: at more terrain stuff like that rather than this actual

1575
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,919
Speaker 1: deer sign with with regards to scrapes and roads. Okay,

1576
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: so you mentioned the head of a ditch. Can you

1577
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: can you just better explain what you mean by that

1578
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: in case people aren't familiar with where you're at, What

1579
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: does that mean? And then when you say that deer

1580
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: have to move around that, just explain what you mean

1581
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: by that. Yeah, So ditches obviously can can be in

1582
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: like in between a couple of ridges and the timber,

1583
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: there's a ditch in between. And depending on the severity

1584
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: of it, how stupid is how how much brush and

1585
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: everything and it is. Deer are you know, somewhat lazy

1586
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: sometimes and they're gonna take the easiest path. And typically

1587
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: there's not very many heads of ditches like where that

1588
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: ditch ends, but there's not gonna be a good deer trail,

1589
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be in real like um

1590
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: steep train either. I have a lot of flat farms

1591
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: that I hunt where there's just one small ditch and

1592
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: they still just don't cross. It's way easier just to

1593
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: walk around it then to cross it. Even though we

1594
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: know deer can hop across it like it's nothing. Uh,

1595
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: they still more often than not we'll walk around the

1596
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: head of that. So I'll find spot like that to

1597
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: set up where if there's trees along that ditch, I'll

1598
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: set up you know, thirty yards going five yards off

1599
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: of the head of that ditch, blow my wind back

1600
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: down the ditch, and uh, I've I've killed some good

1601
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: deer that way, just bucks cruising along the heads of

1602
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: those and following those along the heads of those. It's

1603
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: a good terrain feature, um that forces deer movement, and

1604
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: you know exactly how they're going to use it. Yeah.

1605
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: Can you Can you describe any other terrain funnels or

1606
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: features like that that are worth keenan on during the run? Um?

1607
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: A lot of times we hear these, oh, I don't

1608
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: know what kind of this jargon like, people will say, oh,

1609
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: there's a saddle or oh there's a you know, a

1610
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: funnel or whatever. Do they say these things and then

1611
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: someone hearing it might not know what that actually looks

1612
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: like in the woods though, So it's always helpful. I

1613
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: find it try to hear specific examples from people. Do

1614
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 1: you have any that stand out that you can describe? Yeah? Um?

1615
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Another one I really like is like the inside corner

1616
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: of a field. So let's say it's a an agg

1617
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: field or even food plot or something that's got timber

1618
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: on at least a couple of sides of it, let's

1619
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: say two sides, and then it it opens up into

1620
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: a big cornfield or bean field. That corner UM that

1621
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: connects the two pieces of timber is a lot of

1622
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: times a really good spot because like eyes, I think

1623
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 1: has the tendency to set up on the edge of

1624
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: the field so they see out in the field and

1625
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: shoot out in the field, which isn't necessarily a bad strategy.

1626
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: But I've seen a lot of times where mature bucks, especially,

1627
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: they don't need to even if they can't see on

1628
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: the field, they don't need to come out in the

1629
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: field to know what's out there. You know, they can

1630
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: walk that down wind inside corner and know exactly what's

1631
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: been out there based on set. And so we see

1632
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: that a lot where and sometimes we'll just set up

1633
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: forty yards off of that inside corner, UM, forty yards

1634
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: off the field edge back in the woods, and it's

1635
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 1: a great shovel rouse. Like I said, especially for mature deer.

1636
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: Um My buddy that I bought my property with. UM

1637
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: he killed one of our target deer uh two nights

1638
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: ago on an inside corner. He was doing just that.

1639
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Um just didn't come out. Was on a food plot.

1640
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: He didn't come out food plot. You just walk in

1641
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: the down wind side of it. Just just cruising and

1642
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: he was able to kill him as it as a

1643
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: great buck as one of the two targets we had

1644
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 1: on that form. And we see that a lot so

1645
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: infect corners. There are really good spots too for mature dear.

1646
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: That's a great point. Speaking of the situation like that.

1647
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: One of the another one of these general conundrums that

1648
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: we find a lot is trying to keep deer from

1649
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: winding you, so setting up in a way that you're

1650
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: not gonna get winded, but at the same time thinking

1651
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: about how a buck wants to use the wind. So

1652
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: in that scenario, I can envision that could be challenging

1653
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: if the buck wants to be, you know, downwind of

1654
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: the food source, but you want to be back in

1655
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,560
Speaker 1: that cover where he's usually taking advantage of that. So

1656
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: in that situation, your wind is blowing back into the

1657
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: timber probably in some kind of way. How do you

1658
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: go about trying to balance those two things in that

1659
01:28:55,160 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: specific situation? Typically, and it's that what happened two nights ago,

1660
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: I can say he was actually, my buddy is actually

1661
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: closer to the food plot, and I think the wind

1662
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 1: just happened to be blowing that they were so close

1663
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: that the wind was blown over the top of them.

1664
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: But uh, in general, we just like to be on

1665
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: the inside corner, just be back off of the trail

1666
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: or the route we think the mature buck is is

1667
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: gonna be walking. So if let's say that wind is

1668
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: blowing in the direction right to the inside corner from

1669
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: the field out and you know, right into that inside corner,

1670
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: the buck is gonna be downwind of it, and we're

1671
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna be downwind of his travel route. So we just

1672
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we give up being able to see

1673
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,879
Speaker 1: what's coming out in the field. And that's a gamble,

1674
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: of course, but we have seen more often than not

1675
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: that's what the mature bucks to do. Sometimes they'll just

1676
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: walk that inside corner first, the scent check before coming

1677
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: out in the field. Sometimes I'll just keep going and

1678
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: if there wasn't anything they they particularly liked about that

1679
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: whatever they smell does, just keep going. But uh, they

1680
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: almost always walked those inside corners, you know, especially if

1681
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: it's just not they're not going off to feed or something.

1682
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 1: They're just they're sent checking for dos um. But yeah,

1683
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: in general, with regards to your question, I do a

1684
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: lot of times try to keep the wind a little

1685
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: bit in favor of the book. Um, there's a lot

1686
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: of times it takes cutting it really close. UH can

1687
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: provide an example from oh Man. I think it was

1688
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen or fifteen. I was hunting a deer, well,

1689
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: the deer, the same deer that was in that fight.

1690
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Iye film a deer I called George Brett. I noticed

1691
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: from cameras and sightings that he would always follow the wind.

1692
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: So on the north Land he would go north. On

1693
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: the south wand he would go south um. You know,

1694
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: he'd walk with the with the wind in his face.

1695
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: And no matter what, even as we're getting later in

1696
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: November and most of the deer were just always moving

1697
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: in one direction towards the primary food source. He would

1698
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: go somewhere else if if the wind wasn't right. And

1699
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: so I knew this, and I knew with the north

1700
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: wind that he would be walking north um. And my

1701
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: only and I had to set up north of him

1702
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 1: so he would be directly down wind of me as

1703
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: he was walking. I essentially just moved over about fifty

1704
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: yards um so that my north wind wasn't blowing directly

1705
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: towards where I assumed he was being. Where I assumed

1706
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: he was bedded, so he still had that north window vans.

1707
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: I just moved over fifty yards and um, he came out.

1708
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: It worked out perfect. I just he just didn't quite

1709
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: get in the bow range. Like I said, that's an

1710
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: example of really cutting it close. Um, you just have

1711
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: to move over still, give the deer that that window

1712
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: games that he wants, and how you expect to the move. Um,

1713
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: but in the wind's not netally great for you. That's

1714
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of what you gotta do to get close to

1715
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: him and understand how they like to move. Yeah, yeah,

1716
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: that's a man. It is a tricky maneuver though, and

1717
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've tried that

1718
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: and curse the weather man. When the weather man's forecast

1719
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: was not quite right. You're seeing it spinning around. You're like,

1720
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: oh god, no, please, don't don't blow anymore over there.

1721
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you're right. It does seem like many

1722
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 1: times those bucks want that advantage, at least that perceived advantage,

1723
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 1: as much as possible. So yeah, man, you have to think.

1724
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: You have to think like that all the time, and

1725
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: you'll find little ways that that the wind advantage is

1726
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: good for the deer. But it's also good for you.

1727
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: You'll you'll find ways you can set up you know,

1728
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 1: right on. Maybe it's a train feature like the head

1729
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 1: of a ditch or something like that, where the winds

1730
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: still in his favor, but he still has to go

1731
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: through this route or through this spot. Um, those are

1732
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: probably the best situations where you know, the wind vange

1733
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: is still good for him, he's still gonna move, but

1734
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: he still can't detect you. Yeah, this is this is

1735
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: totally unrelated to what we're just talking about. So this

1736
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: is kind of off the wall, but just popped in

1737
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: my head as I was thinking through some of the

1738
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: scenarios you've been laying out here, um, and you talked

1739
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: about hunting this one property. I think it's the farm

1740
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: you has recently bought that's on that river. And a

1741
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: river I think is a perfect example of a of

1742
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: a wind break of sorts where you can blow your

1743
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: wind over the river and you know, get away with

1744
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: some things, and maybe there's a bend in the river

1745
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 1: that a buck maybe thinks he's gotten his favor, and

1746
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: then the bend of the river blows your wind over

1747
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: the water and then he has to curl around and

1748
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: you get a shot. Um, I could see that being

1749
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: a pretty good one. But where that weird thought process

1750
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: took me to as I was thinking through a river,

1751
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: was thinking about I don't remember if it was last

1752
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: year or where it was, but I seem to remember

1753
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: a situation you're in where your property flooded? Is that right?

1754
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: And I remember this right? Did you have a flooded

1755
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 1: properties on point ye multiple last year? Actually? Okay, So

1756
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 1: there's been a ton of rain in a lot of

1757
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: places this year, a lot. I've heard a lot of

1758
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: people talking about being in situations kind of like that

1759
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: flooded out areas. Um, at the beginning of October here

1760
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: one of the farms I hunt, I had food plots

1761
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 1: completely underwater. I had trails completely underwater where I usually

1762
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: can access parts of the farm that I couldn't. So

1763
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: I had that a little bit this year. Um. We

1764
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: just had a ton of rain this past week. So

1765
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking there might be people experiencing something like that.

1766
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: Anything you learned about dealing with a flooded property, or

1767
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: maybe how that would change the way someone should approach

1768
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: their upcoming rut hunts, anything like that. Oh man, Um,

1769
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that's tough because I think every every property is gonna

1770
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit different. You my property, it was

1771
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: completely the whole farm was underwater. Um, so the deer

1772
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: had to move off to higher ground too. Other properties

1773
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 1: that there was there was nothing that wasn't flooded on

1774
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 1: our property. Um. And we we had some deer that

1775
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 1: were there in the beginning of season, the flood happened

1776
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: and they never showed back up. Um. So I don't

1777
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: know if they just moved off and found the spot

1778
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 1: they liked better and just never came back or what.

1779
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm assuming most situations aren't exactly like that, but UM, yeah,

1780
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I mean, that's a tough one,

1781
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: just because I think it's it's hard to generalize something

1782
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: like that. Um like that. Yeah, the hardest part for

1783
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: us was, I think this may be a reason why

1784
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot of deer didn't move back, is all the

1785
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: vegetation was either washed away or completely matted down, and

1786
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: so all their betting, well it used to be nice

1787
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 1: tall grass for them to have a safe betting spot

1788
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: was gone and everything was just matted down and open.

1789
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: So there's still there that cruised around there, But as

1790
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: far as actually betting location, we'd lost a lot of

1791
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: that just due to the flood, and the water sat

1792
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: there for so long and it killed a lot of

1793
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: vegetation and stuff like that, so we you know it

1794
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: it affected our farm tremendously. It wasn't like the water

1795
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 1: received and all the deer moved back in. It had

1796
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 1: a pretty good effect on it throughout the rest of

1797
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: the season. That's brutal. I imagined, like, when I think

1798
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: about the scenario, the only silver lining that I can

1799
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: come up with, and this will be different from farm

1800
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: to farm, but I kind of wondered that there's there

1801
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: might be some period of time when the water started

1802
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: to recede where you get water created funnels where there's

1803
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: these strips of high ground. Now deer are forced to

1804
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 1: move through this narrower area, and maybe that's something you

1805
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: can take advantage of. But that's the only potential silver

1806
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: lining I can find. Yeah, no doubt, I mean, that's

1807
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. I think every every property is gonna

1808
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: be a little bit different. If if you have a

1809
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: property that has higher ground, and that's kind of a

1810
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: no brainer. Um, there's going to be a higher concentration

1811
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: of deer there, or at least deer using that area,

1812
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 1: So that's uh, we just didn't have that luxury everything.

1813
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: Everything was flat and everything is underwater all at once.

1814
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: So that's a tough that's a tough situation. So I

1815
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: think last year too, as I'm trying to remember back

1816
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: on like Chasing November episodes, you couldn't hunt that farm.

1817
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Then you you had like a new project farm I

1818
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: think you were talking about, and eventually you ended up

1819
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: rattling in a buck somewhere, right, Is that how you

1820
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: ended up killing a buck? Yeah, So I for work,

1821
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I my family and I had to move last year

1822
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: a couple hours away. So my the only form that

1823
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 1: I had to hunt back home because I lost permission

1824
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: on all the other forms that I managed just because

1825
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be around to help, um, was the

1826
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,520
Speaker 1: flooded farm. So I was forced on brand new properties

1827
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: where we moved to. So I had two or three

1828
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: properties that were completely new to me, and they weren't

1829
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: anything special. They were just, um, just kind of egg

1830
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,080
Speaker 1: forms with small strips of timber or little fingers of

1831
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 1: timber stuff like that. The project farm was a cattle farm, um.

1832
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: But the farm that actually killed on was essentially just

1833
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:10,520
Speaker 1: a big bean field, had some good cover in the neighborhoods,

1834
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: some good timber um. But it just it just came

1835
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: down to I mean, I wish I could tell you

1836
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: there's a big stategy behind that one, but it came

1837
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: to being in the rice about the right time and

1838
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: not giving up on that property. I didn't have any

1839
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: shooters on camera on that farm. I just knew by

1840
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 1: looking at the neighborhood, driving around and looking at the

1841
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: Ariel matt that there's gonna be good deer moving through

1842
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: there in November, and just happened to be there in

1843
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: the right spot that time when when a good buck

1844
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: came out, he came out. Um had two hundred yards

1845
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: away to or fifty yards away when I first saw him.

1846
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: I was able to rattle at him. And that was

1847
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: a situation where I had a wind break. I don't

1848
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: like a lot of calling unless I have a good

1849
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 1: wooden advantage or I have a visual on the deer. Um.

1850
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 1: In that case, he was directly up wind to me

1851
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: two yards and he I don't know if he knew

1852
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 1: he couldn't get down wind or if he just didn't

1853
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: care at that point. Um, there's November eleven, but fortunately

1854
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: he just walked a line with the wind at his back,

1855
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: walked two yards in, so that one that one worked out,

1856
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: and that property actually flooded, but the water receded and

1857
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: they started using that field a lot after that. And

1858
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 1: so the reason you were saying that, the reason you

1859
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 1: mentioned that windbreak is is probably because I'm guessing you've

1860
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: seen the same thing I've seen, which is, oftentimes a

1861
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: buck's going to want to approach a sound like a

1862
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: grunt or a rattle from the down one side, right, Yeah,

1863
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: almost always, unless like I said, they're just it's very

1864
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: rut crazed and kind of just in the right mood

1865
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: or um, they know they can't get down wind and

1866
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: there they still believe that there's a fight going on

1867
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: and there's another buck over there. Um. I usually would

1868
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: like to call the deer when I I can see

1869
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: them and go based off of how they react, or

1870
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 1: I will blind call if I have a really good

1871
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: wind vantage, like a creek or river behind me. Okay,

1872
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:15,759
Speaker 1: so walk me through then what that calling or rattling

1873
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,719
Speaker 1: sequence would be. Let's say you spot a big buck somewhere. Uh,

1874
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: do you always grunt first? You always rattle first? Do you,

1875
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: does something help you determine what you're gonna use, kind

1876
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: of walk me through your whole thought process when it

1877
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 1: comes to choosing what you're gonna do and then what

1878
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: you actually do in that scenario. Yep. Um. Typically the

1879
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: conditions like that, and usually that's based on wind speed.

1880
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: So if it's really windy and I don't think he'll here,

1881
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: they grunt or snort weaves, I will rattle at the

1882
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: deer um typically, though, if if I know a deer

1883
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: can hear me, I will start out with just a

1884
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: ground I think that's the least uh intrusive sound or

1885
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: at least challenging sound to a bucks. I wanted to

1886
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: see how he'll react to that. Um. You don't typically

1887
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: or I haven't typically seen dear really negatively react to

1888
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 1: the grunt call. It's just something that I think they

1889
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: hear more off and then they start wees or two

1890
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: bucks fighting. So I'll start with that if I know

1891
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: a buck can hear the grunt call, and then if

1892
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't respond to that, I will snort we's. I

1893
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 1: love the snart wes call social mature dear. I don't

1894
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 1: have um, let's just say I don't have too many

1895
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: that just completely ignore it or get spooped by it,

1896
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: They usually will somehow react to it. Um. Whether they

1897
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,799
Speaker 1: come all the way in or not, that's a different question,

1898
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:54,600
Speaker 1: but usually they that call means something to them. So

1899
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: I used snart Wes a lot. Um. Rattling is kind

1900
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 1: of a third option, and if if the deer doesn't

1901
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: respond to either one of those, will rattle or I

1902
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: will start off rattling if it's truly windy, Like I said, how,

1903
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: what's the rattle sequence? Like? Is it long? Do you

1904
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:16,759
Speaker 1: just do fifteen twenty seconds and stop? What's your rattling

1905
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,719
Speaker 1: sequences typically look like? If I can see the deer

1906
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: and see his reaction, I'll just I'll rattle, will make

1907
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: sure that I'm hidden, whether it's I'm rattling on the

1908
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: back side of its three or something like that, I

1909
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: will just watch his reaction. I will keep I don't

1910
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: until he makes a move, whether that's going away from

1911
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: me or coming towards me. Um. I need him too

1912
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: to be convinced that it is a really good fight,

1913
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: like an actual brawl, that he needs to come in

1914
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: and check out. Once he starts coming, I'll put him

1915
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: away and get ready. If he obviously goes away. I'll

1916
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: put him away too, just because obviously he didn't like it.

1917
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: But sometimes you'll see a deer go away and he'll

1918
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,799
Speaker 1: come back around and check it out later, so you're

1919
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 1: not always completely out of the game. If I'm blind calling, UM,

1920
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: it's probably I would say thirty seconds of a pretty

1921
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: hard hitting. Um. I have seen a couple of really

1922
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: good fights, and it's hard to rattle as loud as

1923
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: two mature books are fighting, so I like to hit

1924
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: them almost as hard as I can for a good

1925
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: toy to thirty seconds. Obviously, just making sure your eyes

1926
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: are peeled and your heads on a swivel, because you

1927
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: don't want to be hitting those things when the deer's

1928
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: thirty yards away and con clearly see you know what's

1929
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: going on, so you just have to constantly be looking around.

1930
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 1: But UM, that's one thing I tell guys is not

1931
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: to be afraid to hit them really hard. Most most

1932
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: often I think guys aren't rattling loud enough. Yeah, all right,

1933
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: So you gotta be honest with me on this one.

1934
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,839
Speaker 1: Have you smashed a finger doing a hardcore write of sequence?

1935
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: I've drawn blood before. I can tell you that, right,

1936
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: you're really getting after it. That's good. Yeah. And I

1937
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: like to use heavy antlers. Um this it creates more

1938
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: of that deep mass sound to him. Um. That's just

1939
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: I think that makes a big difference to what about

1940
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: speaking of aggressive tactics, what about de coin? Is that

1941
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: something you ever pull out and try this time here?

1942
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: I do not very often. I probably decoy once or

1943
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: twice a year. And for me, it's all about the

1944
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: property and the specific location on that property. If it's

1945
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: property that has a lot of doves, I usually don't

1946
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: think about de coin because I've had just too many

1947
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: experiences where if that those are the first year to

1948
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: come out, it's usually not a good thing. Those just

1949
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 1: don't react very good to decoys, is my experience, especially

1950
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: at least decourse. I don't I don't know that I've

1951
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 1: ever used a dough deco way. Um. But if it's

1952
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 1: an area where there's not a huge population, um, and

1953
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:11,560
Speaker 1: it's an area where the deer can see the decoy

1954
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,759
Speaker 1: a long waist, you know, you don't want the decoy

1955
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: to surprise them. You know, they come around the corner

1956
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: and there's a buck decoy standing right there. Um, you

1957
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: want them to bill see it from across the field

1958
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: and the other thing. The other key is just positioning

1959
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 1: the decoy so that it's it's kind of like calling

1960
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 1: the buck's kind of circle downwind of it. You want

1961
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: to make sure that you can shoot the deer before

1962
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: full it gets down wind. Yeah, yeah, that's it seems

1963
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 1: right in line with a lot of things I've I've

1964
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 1: seen a little bit. I've dabbled with it is u

1965
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 1: picking at the right time to do it in the

1966
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: right place is sometimes the biggest deal of all. Have

1967
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:54,799
Speaker 1: you got good success with it? Only once? I decoyed

1968
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: in a buck once in Ohio and it was really cool.

1969
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: It was really cool that it worked that way. Um,

1970
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 1: But I never use it in Michigan because I just

1971
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: think that these deer are just on edge and you

1972
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: put something that out and it'd be would be done zo.

1973
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 1: But I've used it in Iowa, Ohio and had a

1974
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: little bit of success, So it's cool. Though. It's pretty

1975
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 1: cool when they come in and find old bristles. I've

1976
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: had some cool hunts over deco is. I just don't

1977
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: use them. I don't think I've ever actually killed a

1978
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: buck over decoy, but I've had some some good solid

1979
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: bucks to come into him. Yeah, it was definitely one

1980
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,639
Speaker 1: of the more memorable kills I've had, just seeing it

1981
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: play out just the way you imagine after watching it

1982
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: on TV, you know, and it actually works out that way.

1983
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: That was That was pretty cool. Um. So what about

1984
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 1: let's let's talk a little bit more generically about hunting

1985
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 1: the rut. One of the things you hear a lot

1986
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 1: about is just putting in the time. You hear this

1987
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 1: often almost the most important thing many times people say

1988
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 1: about hunting during the rut is just being out there

1989
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: sticking it out. Um, do you hunt all day? Do

1990
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 1: you do midday? Sister? During the rut? What's thought on that?

1991
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:07,560
Speaker 1: I do? Um a lot of times this time of year, unfortunately,

1992
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: and I have to at least catch up on a

1993
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: little bit of work midday, So most often get down

1994
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 1: for an hour or two, go by to catch up

1995
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: on some work, and then get back in the stand. Um.

1996
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 1: If I have situations where I know I can spare

1997
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: the whole day, I love. I do love sitting all day.

1998
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I've had some great hunts where a lot of action

1999
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:31,679
Speaker 1: happens during those hours where most guys are like I said,

2000
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: at lunch, Um, there's no doubt about. You just have

2001
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 1: to put your time in. You're not gonna Sometimes you

2002
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 1: do more damage by getting down, leaving and then coming

2003
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: back in the same stand. You're way better off just

2004
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 1: sitting there and sticking it out, bringing food with you,

2005
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 1: whatever it takes. UM, so you don't have to get

2006
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 1: down and come back in a couple of hours later,

2007
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, when you're just talking about my rug planes

2008
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: in general, I want to spend as much time in

2009
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 1: a tree as I possibly can. UM build things, true,

2010
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: you can't can't kill them if you're not out there.

2011
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 1: So UM, just just put the time in, for sure.

2012
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: And that's what's all about. It is, but it's it's also,

2013
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,759
Speaker 1: at least from my experience, it's also easier said than done.

2014
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've experienced this, but when you're

2015
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: out there and you're hunting as much as you possibly can,

2016
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: you know you've got You've got four weeks in November.

2017
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: For a lot of people, the first two weeks, the

2018
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 1: first three weeks maybe are game time. You cashing on

2019
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: your vacation days, you call in sick. You you know

2020
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 1: you've done all your chores, so your wife's gonna be Okay,

2021
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: if you're out there for day after day and you're

2022
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: you're getting out there an hour and a half or

2023
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: two hours before daylight, and you're sitting for twelve hours

2024
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: or thirteen hours or whatever it is, and you do

2025
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: it day after day after day, that is an absolute grind.

2026
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: I mean, at least for me, it wears me down

2027
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,639
Speaker 1: to a pulp. Um, how do you handle that part

2028
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,600
Speaker 1: of it? How do you handle the men tool and

2029
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 1: the physical fatigue of it all? Yeah, it is an

2030
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: absolute grind. There's no way around that. I don't know

2031
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:12,480
Speaker 1: anybody that it's not like that for um. And sometimes

2032
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where just take one day

2033
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: off and you're completely refreshed and you're ready to go again.

2034
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: And you probably look at it look back and like, man,

2035
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: why not even take that day off? But um, it

2036
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: would be amazing this how even one hunt off is

2037
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: a is a big refresher. So I won't be afraid

2038
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 1: to do that every once in a while. But I

2039
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: like to tell myself that this is this is one month,

2040
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,600
Speaker 1: This is the month, you know, November, this is a

2041
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 1: month I wait for all year round. You know it's

2042
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: gonna be gone before I know. It. Um, while it

2043
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: seems like a grind while you're living it day to day,

2044
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna go really fast and you're gonna wish you

2045
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: had some of those times you didn't hunt back um

2046
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: once November is gone. So that's what I'd like to

2047
01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: tell myself. It is a mental thing for sure, um,

2048
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: and it's a grind, But just the other thing is

2049
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,879
Speaker 1: just try to enjoy the experience as much as possible

2050
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 1: and keep things in perspective. Um. I know a lot

2051
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,799
Speaker 1: of guys that probably put too much pressure on themselves,

2052
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: like I I gotta kill like you know, I gotta

2053
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 1: gotta there's They put too much pressure on themselves to

2054
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,799
Speaker 1: to kill a deer or to be out there, and

2055
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 1: they lose a little bit of enjoyment of it. So

2056
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: just kind of look at the big picture, stepping back

2057
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 1: a little bit and realize what what truly you're getting

2058
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 1: to do. I think is another important mental aspect of

2059
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: getting through it. So true, and every year I need

2060
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: to re remind myself of that, because I'm definitely the

2061
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: guy that puts that pressure on and I avidly find

2062
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: myself sitting that truly. God, damgn it, why isn't this happening,

2063
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 1: what's going on? What if this is I'm not going

2064
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 1: to kill anything this year, and I always have to

2065
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 1: have like that. I don't know, mental self therapy session.

2066
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: Talk myself through and remind myself exactly what you said.

2067
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be fun. Enjoy it. Yeah, put

2068
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: you take advantage of November, take advantage of this. But

2069
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: also don't sit out there, you know, bitching a moan

2070
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 1: into yourself because it's not going the way you wanted to. Um.

2071
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 1: Try to enjoy it for what it is. And then

2072
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I do find and probably you've seen this too, that

2073
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: as soon as you get down on yourself at all,

2074
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 1: as soon as you start to lose hope, that's when

2075
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,759
Speaker 1: the big buck shows up and you weren't paying attention,

2076
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 1: or that's when he cruised through when you were too

2077
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: busy on your phone or whatever it is. You almost

2078
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,719
Speaker 1: set yourself up for failure as soon as you mentally

2079
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:38,639
Speaker 1: check out. Yeah, it's like like a lot of things,

2080
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: it's mental. The mental game is a huge part of it, um,

2081
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: And as long as you understand that, you can get

2082
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:50,719
Speaker 1: yourself through it. But it's all about just keeping keeping

2083
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: your attitude positive and and just really realizing what you're

2084
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,759
Speaker 1: doing and not take it for granted and just enjoy it. Yeah,

2085
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,679
Speaker 1: that's that's why we do this. Ultimately, it's because it's

2086
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:03,639
Speaker 1: such a good time. So it's to be a shame

2087
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: not to enjoy it while we're out there. Yeah, that's right.

2088
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: And like I said, once, once it's gone, it's you.

2089
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 1: You just want it back. Um, you know, once once

2090
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: the season's over, it's the depression sets in. You gotta

2091
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 1: wait another ten months to happen. And it's if you

2092
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 1: get that in perspective, you'll you'll probably hunt as often

2093
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 1: as you can while you can. Yeah, very true. So

2094
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: with all that being the case, I need to slip

2095
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: out and go try to kill a big buck right now. Actually, so,

2096
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: do you have any final parting words of advice or

2097
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 1: final words of wisdom for folks as they head out

2098
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: for their run hunts. Be safe, like I said earlier, Um,

2099
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 1: there's just there's no dear, that's that's worth you know,

2100
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: some of the bad things can happen, and building off

2101
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 1: the point we just talked about, enjoy it and keep

2102
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 1: things in perspective. Have fun. Um, you know, it's there's

2103
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of I think you probably see it

2104
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: just as much as anyone. There's there's a lot of

2105
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 1: maked ativity and division, it seems like in in our

2106
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 1: hunting world these days, and just trying to keep positive

2107
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: and and really realize what this sport is about and

2108
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Speaker 1: and um so I just have fun and be safe. Yeah, yeah, great,

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Speaker 1: great reminders. If people would like to see what you

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Speaker 1: guys are up to and all the different shows that

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Speaker 1: you're producing in your content, where can folks find that? Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge social media guy, but I'd say

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Speaker 1: social media is probably the best way. We have a

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Speaker 1: forty one North Media Instagram account and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously you can follow us individually on Facebook and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: And then some of the shows that were producing a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Real Tree shows around Real three three

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Speaker 1: sixty five, so a lot of the shows on there

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Speaker 1: were producing, and of course they tell you can follow

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Speaker 1: on YouTube the Middistel website Real three three five. Um,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the smart TV apps, uh is where

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Speaker 1: you can find Real Tree three sixty five, So we're

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Speaker 1: kind of everywhere. Um, but those would be the main

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Speaker 1: spot perfect well. I definitely would recommend anyone listening to

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Speaker 1: check those out. Yesterday morning, my son woke up and

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Speaker 1: first thing it is, he's he's almost two years old.

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Speaker 1: The first thing it is, he ran over to our

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Speaker 1: TV shelf and he grabbed his Buck grunt call off

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Speaker 1: of the little hanger who started grunting on it. And

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Speaker 1: then he starts saying bu but which is how he

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Speaker 1: says buck, and that means he wanted to watch some Bucks.

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Speaker 1: So we turned on the TV and Real Tree happened

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Speaker 1: to be the first app I saw, so I popped

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Speaker 1: that up and I put on the recent episode you

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Speaker 1: guys had with Bill Winky killing that surprise Buck and

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Speaker 1: uh Everett, my son, Everett loved it. He was very

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Speaker 1: impressed with Bills with Bill's recent deer, so it's definitely

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Speaker 1: worth watching. That's pretty cool. I love hearing that stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a good time. So, Jared, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for taking the time to do this. I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed our chat so much. I appreciate the opportunity, Mark,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for all you do for us. Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: my pleasure. Good luck hunting you too. Thanks. All right,

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Speaker 1: and that's a wrap, my friends. I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: this once and that's it. Turn off. The podcast and

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Speaker 1: get out hunting. This is the one time I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you not to listen to more podcasts because novembers here,

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Speaker 1: this is it. We dreamed of it all year. Just

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Speaker 1: like Jared was saying, just like Dan and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about the beginning, this is our super Bowl. Take

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Speaker 1: advantage of it. Hunt hard, put in the work, do

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Speaker 1: the things you know you need to do. If you've

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Speaker 1: been listening to this podcast, you have all the tools,

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Speaker 1: you know the things to do, you know the things

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Speaker 1: on the two list. It's just a matter of executing

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Speaker 1: on it. And I know you can do it, and

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Speaker 1: you're having an awesome season and you have a good time.

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Speaker 1: I believe in you. I hope you have a great,

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Speaker 1: great set of hunts coming up. And until next time,

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Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt.