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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, Welcome to Counterpoints. How you doing, Emily, I'm good, Crystal.

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Speaker 5: That sounds good. So we have a big show today.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is in the Middle East, some great drop

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Speaker 4: site reporting to talk about actually on the serious situation.

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Speaker 4: But Trump gave a hell of a speech in Saudi

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Speaker 4: Arabia that we're going to go through.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and he's now he's on his way to Doha.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you're gonna pick up his big beautiful plane. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're also going to have a mire to bone join us.

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Speaker 3: He's a Haretz columnist going to talk about what this

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Speaker 3: means for the genocide in Gaza and whether or not

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Speaker 3: we're going to actually see an end to this or

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Speaker 3: And as I was talking to Amir about this yesterday,

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Speaker 3: if Trump doesn't end that this week, almost certainly thousands

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Speaker 3: upon thousands upon thousands of people will die in the

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Speaker 3: coming weeks. Like this is at a critical moment. So

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Speaker 3: the question is is Steve Whitcoff and Trump they got

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Speaker 3: eat you know, Alexander out. Are they happy and they

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Speaker 3: to this or we'll talk about you know, this kind

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Speaker 3: of pivotal moment here. He's also pushing his big beautiful

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Speaker 3: bill Congress. This is happening, that's right.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean the second component of their trade war

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Speaker 4: as well. We'll get into all of this, but they

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Speaker 4: see this as a necessary component of the trade where

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Speaker 4: you can't have the trade war or without as they

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Speaker 3: But people, the trade war's not on the bottom there yea.

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Speaker 3: Trump basically gave up this weekend in his talks with China.

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Speaker 4: But even if you keep a ten percent global tariff,

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Speaker 4: they want to have all of these incentives to be sure,

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Speaker 5: As they are.

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Speaker 4: It's a fragile situation if they don't get the tax

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Speaker 4: cuts that they are promised, the continuation and tax cuts

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Speaker 4: they are promised. The Scott Besson has been pushing one

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Speaker 4: all of that stuff is on the line in a

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Speaker 4: big reconciliation bill that Congressional Republicans with their razors of

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Speaker 5: And they were the House was in sessions like four am.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to bring you all the details from

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Speaker 4: that fight. It's a big one. Also, Ruan the Jake

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Speaker 4: Tapper Alex Thompson book on It's called the Original Sin

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Speaker 3: specifically Joe Biden did not recognize George Clooney, which would

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Speaker 5: Plus they have had a relationship as Clooney.

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Speaker 4: Ryan and start with Donald Trump making his way through

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Speaker 4: this trip, giving this massive speech in Saudi Arabia yesterday

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Speaker 6: Yes, Trump doing a regional tour.

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Speaker 3: He's going to hit cutter, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, He's very

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Speaker 3: And I've seen some people compare it to Obama went

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Speaker 6: They're coming at it from a different angle.

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Speaker 3: Trump Obama was saying that the United States needs to

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Speaker 3: to develop itself and that nation building. He at then

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Speaker 3: wrong thing to do. Trump now saying basically the same

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Speaker 6: Is that George W. Bush really screwed up that region.

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Speaker 4: It brings the whole country together, really, yeah, except for

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Speaker 6: We can all rally around that.

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Speaker 3: Now. The difference is, I watched the entire Trump speech. Uh,

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Speaker 3: He could have. Yeah, he had some interesting things he

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Speaker 6: This is the piece that's kind of going viral in

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Speaker 6: the Middle.

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Speaker 7: East before our eyes. A new generation of leaders is

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Speaker 7: and forging a future where the Middle East is defined

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Speaker 7: by commerce not chaos, where it exports technology not terrorism,

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Speaker 7: and where people of different nations, religions, and creeds are

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Speaker 8: We don't want that, and.

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Speaker 7: It's crucial for the wider world to note this great

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Speaker 7: transformation is not come from Western intervention, no less, or

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Speaker 7: flying people and beautiful planes giving you lectures on how

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Speaker 7: to live and how to govern your own affairs. Now,

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Speaker 7: the leaming marvels of Riad and Abu Dhabi were not

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Speaker 7: created by the so called nation builders, neocons, or liberal

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Speaker 7: failing to develop Kabal Baghdad so many other cities. Instead,

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Speaker 7: the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought

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Speaker 7: by the people of the region themselves, the people that

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Speaker 7: their lives. Developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own

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Speaker 7: unique visions and charting your own destinies in your own way.

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Speaker 7: It's really incredible what you've done. In the end, the

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Speaker 7: so called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built.

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Speaker 7: The interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they did

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Speaker 7: not even understand themselves. They told you how to do it,

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Speaker 6: So there's an interesting through line here from Obama.

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Speaker 3: And in an interesting contrast, Obama in his speech was

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Speaker 3: talking about how this isn't for the United States to decide,

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Speaker 3: you know, how the Middle East is going to develop,

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Speaker 3: It's for the people of the Middle East. And the

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Speaker 3: people in that room really blamed him when the Arab

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Speaker 3: and said, look, you got all these people's hopes up

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Speaker 3: if you notice Trump's phrasing, he says the people who

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Speaker 3: saying that you need democracy. We're not exporting democracy to

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Speaker 3: and the reason I say it's an interesting through line

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because like so, one of the things that flowed

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Speaker 3: to set up a meeting with Trump.

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Speaker 8: But be like the.

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Speaker 3: Acman al Shara, this Heyrean president went to Iria trying

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Speaker 3: open up all of Syria to American oil and gas companies.

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Speaker 3: So a delegation went to Damascus recently met with al Shara,

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Speaker 3: We're going to we will allow American companies to do

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Speaker 3: all of the reconstruction. We allow American companies to exploit

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Speaker 3: the oil and gas. It's it's not a completely clean

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Speaker 3: offer because the Kurds control a lot of the oil

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Speaker 3: the curds oil anyway?

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Speaker 4: Uh, that's just a minor concern.

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Speaker 3: Moz and I like were raced to write it up

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Speaker 3: where else at this meeting. Nobody else wrote it. Like,

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Speaker 3: nobody else wrote the piece. It's hilarious. So that so

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Speaker 3: that offer was made last week and he said, I'm

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Speaker 6: I'm not surprised he's there.

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Speaker 3: It's just that I just don't like that this Ai

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Speaker 3: king pinn No not a part of our elite.

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Speaker 4: Well, the same thing with Elon Musk. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we saw Elon Musk sitting down with Mody what two

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Speaker 4: months ago, with all appearances of being a representative of

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Speaker 4: the United States government at that point, but you know,

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Speaker 4: also a business leader with massive interests in the Indian market,

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Speaker 4: and that's what Sam Altman was doing there. There was

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Speaker 4: also like Jensen Wang was there, Andy Jasse was there,

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Speaker 4: And what Donald Trump is trying to do and maybe

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Speaker 4: you can flesh this out more. Ryan to that point

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Speaker 4: again about commerce versus chaos, which sounds almost like Fukuyama.

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Speaker 4: By the way, interesting because there was literally a McDonald's

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Speaker 4: trailer two countries with McDonald's just won't go to war

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Speaker 4: with each other, right, But it sounds in that sense

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Speaker 4: a little like the exact ideology that people who are

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Speaker 4: now regurgitating the Samuel Huntington thesis are are have sort

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Speaker 4: of staked their worldview in opposition to. But Ryan, the

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Speaker 4: what trem is trying to do basically is spur massive

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Speaker 4: investment between from actually not just Saudi Arabia, other golf states.

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Speaker 5: That he's visiting this week.

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Speaker 4: And your point about Syria is an important one, But

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Speaker 4: that's what he's trying to do, is basically like explode

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Speaker 4: the business interest between the United States and places like

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Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia. Probably cutter too.

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Speaker 3: And you'll like this, so we can we can roll

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Speaker 3: a eight here. This is Trump being asked if he

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Speaker 3: did have the meeting with the serre and president he did,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of fun to think, Like dropsight was

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Speaker 3: the first report this, that's crazy. Shara wanted to meet

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Speaker 3: with Trump and then at Riodd and they're like, hey, okay,

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Speaker 3: let's meet, let's do this. We're just we're just out

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Speaker 3: here making deals for Trump. Shara formerly what number two

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Speaker 3: we ran mozel for isis or something like it was

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Speaker 3: like a formerly al Qaeda, then rebranded it as Nousra. Like,

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Speaker 3: this is a guy with a very interesting pass. Let's

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Speaker 3: see what Donald Trump has to say about his meeting

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Speaker 3: with a guy who up until very recently had a

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Speaker 3: ten million dollar bounty on his head for being a

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Speaker 3: wanted terrorist.

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Speaker 8: How did you find a Syrian president? Right right?

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Speaker 7: I think very good, young, attractive guy, tough guy, you know,

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Speaker 7: a strong pish, very.

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Speaker 3: Strong fighter, very strong pass. He's a fighter. Last Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he loves the hoot these too, well, they're very brave.

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Speaker 3: He respects Yeah, he respects strength, yes, whether that that's yes.

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Speaker 3: And if you are a member of a designated terrorist

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Speaker 3: organization at war with the United States, he respects you

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Speaker 3: even more because he sees, you know, his beefy generals

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Speaker 3: giving the given the briefings, about all the different munitions

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Speaker 3: and billion They dropped a billion dollars worth of weapons

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Speaker 3: on the hoo Thies and they would stood it, every

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Speaker 3: bit of it. And Trump's like, gotta respect that and yes,

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Speaker 3: strong like strong past.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's important the I think the backdrop to all

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Speaker 4: of this is important.

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Speaker 5: This is a six we can put this on the screen.

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Speaker 4: So the Wall Street Journal did a big report ahead

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Speaker 4: of the trip, laying out and this was a gargantuan task.

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Speaker 4: This is a breaking point graphic from the Wall Street

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Speaker 4: Journal article. But they were I mean, it must have

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Speaker 4: taken them a long time to get all of the

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Speaker 4: straight These are all of the different deals right now.

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Speaker 4: We'll read them for you if you're listening to this

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump and his family have in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: So residential towers are going to be constructed in Dubai,

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Speaker 4: Jedda and Jedda and Dublin, and.

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Speaker 6: The al Qaeda guy offered one in Damascus too.

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Speaker 4: Damascus. Yeah, I think that's what I meant to put there. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So then there's oh yeah, not Dublin. Yeah, it's supposed

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Speaker 4: to be Damascus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then they have one in Dublin.

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Speaker 8: Two.

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Speaker 4: There's the Trump owned luxury golf course and Cutter stable

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Speaker 4: coin by the Trump organization has two hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 4: in funding from the UAE and Saudi Royals two billion

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Speaker 4: two billion in.

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Speaker 5: Funding from the UA and Sadi Royals.

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Speaker 4: Royals of three states have committed three and a half

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Speaker 4: billion dollars to the Kushner Pe Fund.

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Speaker 5: State backed funds have.

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Speaker 4: Raised six hundred six billion dollars for Trump advisor Elon

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Speaker 4: Musk's x Ai. Dubai just made a deal with the

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Speaker 4: Boring company, or is trying in the process of making

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Speaker 4: a deal with boring company for an eleven mile tunnel network.

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Speaker 5: And the Saudi.

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Speaker 4: Prince is a nephew to the king has is an

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Speaker 4: investor in Xai.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is like and then one other put up,

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Speaker 3: this is a four. They announced this. This is the

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Speaker 3: thing that you were signed that you were that they

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Speaker 3: were signing. That we showed that footage one hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty two billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia, which

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Speaker 3: would be the largest.

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Speaker 6: Arms deal.

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Speaker 3: I think that we've agreed to the largest security pact

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Speaker 3: we've agreed to. They're talking about a four hundred and

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Speaker 3: six hundred billion dollar kind of trade and business commercial agreement.

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Speaker 3: Trump is saying it might go up to a trillion.

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Speaker 3: Take that with a huge grain of salt. The entire

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Speaker 3: GDP of Saudi Arabia is like one trillion m hm.

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Speaker 3: And so that's that's a fake, made up number, you ei.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to send every penny of their GDP

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Speaker 3: to the to Trump, but they're going to send as

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Speaker 3: much as they possibly can.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you and I and probably a lot

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Speaker 4: of our audience are the like naive remaining critics of

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Speaker 4: this level of corruption in the Trump orbit.

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Speaker 3: And we can get into that in the next block,

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Speaker 3: which I think is interesting. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's very much baked into Trump is. I completely

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Speaker 4: understand that. So I think the important way to see

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Speaker 4: what's happening this week is that Donald Trump absolutely openly

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Speaker 4: believes that the best way to do business with these

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Speaker 4: countries and the best way to achieve peace with these

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Speaker 4: countries is to have these entanglements, these deep financial entanglements

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Speaker 4: with these states, no matter how problematic they are, no

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Speaker 4: matter how much they don't want you to play the

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Speaker 4: YMCA like, you have to have these.

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Speaker 5: And it's very it's actually sort of.

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Speaker 4: A mirror image of the way that they approach policy

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Speaker 4: domestically in foreign policy, with like family ties, personal ties.

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Speaker 4: Trump admires that and likes it, and.

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Speaker 5: It speaks to him.

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Speaker 4: And that's why he has these great relationships with the

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Speaker 4: Saudi countries is because he does believe that commerce will

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Speaker 4: win over chaos and not cause the chaos, because he's

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Speaker 4: seen that happen from his perspective at least, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't agree with that, but he believes that he's

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Speaker 4: seen that happen as a businessman. Look at Steve Whitkoff,

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Speaker 4: for example, a close friend of Donald trump'ss we'll talk

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Speaker 4: about talk about him when we talk about Cutter too,

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Speaker 4: but big investments in the space. So I don't think

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Speaker 4: Trump is in any way hiding from the appearance and

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Speaker 4: reality of corruption.

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Speaker 5: He's kind of embracing it.

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Speaker 4: He wants that to be the foundation of the policy

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Speaker 4: going forward. Is that there are deep financial entanglements between

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Speaker 4: government and business.

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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump is facing increasing pushback for accepting a

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Speaker 3: four hundred million dollar plane from Cutter. Here he is

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Speaker 3: on his old raggedy plane Air Force one, responding to

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Speaker 3: some of this criticism.

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Speaker 9: The plane that you're in right now is almost forty

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Speaker 9: years old. And when you land and you see Saudi

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Speaker 9: Arabia and you see UAE, and you see Qatar, and

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Speaker 9: you see all these and they have these brand new

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Speaker 9: bowing seven forty seven's mostly and you see ours next

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Speaker 9: to it. This is like a totally different plane. It's

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Speaker 9: much smaller, it's much less impressive, as impressive as a

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Speaker 9: and you know, with the United States of America, I

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Speaker 9: believe that we should have the most impressive punt. So anyway,

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Speaker 9: so they said to me, we would like to ineffect

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Speaker 9: who would like to make a gift. You've done so

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Speaker 9: many things, and we'd like to make a gift to

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Speaker 9: the Defense Department, which is where it's going. And they said, well,

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Speaker 9: that's nice. Now some people say, oh, you shouldn't accept

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Speaker 9: gifts for the country. My attitude is, why wouldn't I

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Speaker 9: accept the gift we're giving to everybody else? Why wouldn't

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Speaker 9: I accept the gift? Because it's going to be a

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Speaker 9: couple of years, I think, before the voetings are finished.

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Speaker 6: Why wouldn't I accept the gift.

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Speaker 3: This has roused democratic leadership and a bunch of Republicans

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Speaker 3: to finally get up and offer a little bit of

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Speaker 3: criticism of Trump. Here's both Senate leaders Schumer and Democratic

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Speaker 3: leaders the leader of the Senate leader House, Schumer and

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Speaker 3: Jeffreys pushing back through all those.

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Speaker 10: News of the Gatari government gifting Donald Trump a four

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Speaker 10: hundred million dollar private jet to you as air Force

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Speaker 10: one is so corrupt that even Putin would give a

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Speaker 10: double take. This is not just naked corruption, it is

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Speaker 10: also a grave national security threat. So, in light of

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Speaker 10: the deeply troubling news of a possible Guitari funded Air

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Speaker 10: Force One and the reports that the Attorney General personally

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Speaker 10: signed off on this clearly unethical deal, I am announcing

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Speaker 10: a hold on all DOJ political nominees until we get

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Speaker 10: more answers.

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Speaker 11: And Donald Trump is publicly defending accepting a four hundred

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Speaker 11: million dollar flying palace from a close ally of Iran

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Speaker 11: and Hamas. I mean, you can't make this stuff up,

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Speaker 11: which is why even some of his closest Maga sick

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Speaker 11: offense have made clear this is a plane too far.

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Speaker 3: Close ally of Iran, and I must we have a

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Speaker 3: giant military base there. Anyway, Here's Ben Shapiro agreeing with

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Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer and a keen Jeffreys let's roll that one.

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Speaker 12: That's not America first, Like, please define America first in

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Speaker 12: a way that says you you should take sacks of

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Speaker 12: cash from the Katari royals who are behind Al Jazeera.

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Speaker 12: It just isn't America first in any conceivable ways. If

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Speaker 12: you want President Trump to succeed, this kind of skeazy

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Speaker 12: stuff needs to stop.

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Speaker 13: My problem with taking this plane from Qatar is I

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Speaker 13: do not think the President of the United States of

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Speaker 13: America should sit and fly on a plane purchased with

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Speaker 13: the same money used to murder American citizens.

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Speaker 3: And the most powerful person who's not in the White

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Speaker 3: House in the United States. Laura Lumer also came out

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Speaker 3: against Trump. Put up B three. Here's saying, I love

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Speaker 3: President Trump, but this is ridiculous. Come on, get out

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Speaker 3: of here. You can't accept a four hundred million dollar gift.

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Speaker 3: And then then then she dips into hersophobia.

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Speaker 4: Rare that Ben Shapia Laura Lumer agree something, and.

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Speaker 6: With Schumer and Jeffreys as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I think just quickly Trump would to Ben

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Speaker 4: Shapiro say, oh, it's easy to define this as America first.

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Speaker 4: He just basically did it in the clip that is

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Speaker 4: like the plane is too small where the United States

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Speaker 4: of America and where this makes us have a better

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Speaker 4: relationship with another powerful potential like hostile in a potentially

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Speaker 4: hostile area. So he would have no problem answering that question.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the problem for him at this

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Speaker 4: point is that most people aren't buying his argument.

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Speaker 3: So joining us more to discuss the implications of all

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Speaker 3: of this is Howret's journalist Amir TBone. Amir, thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us. That the timing of this, uh,

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Speaker 3: just kind of delightful, just hilarious. Right before he travels

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Speaker 3: first to Ria, then to than to Doha with a

661
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Speaker 3: series of historically consequential decisions in front of him, we

662
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Speaker 3: hear that he's going to be getting his four hundred

663
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Speaker 3: million dollar plane. How is this news being received in Israel?

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Speaker 8: I'll say two things about it. Number one, you may

665
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Speaker 8: recall that in February, Prime Minister Metanio came to the

666
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Speaker 8: White House to meet President Trump and there was a

667
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 8: lot of thought in his close circle what they could

668
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 8: give him in order to create a good atmosphere and

669
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Speaker 8: kind of, you know, give him a gift, really okay,

670
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 8: and let's put it in his terms, And eventually they

671
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 8: brought Trump a golden deeper, right because related to that

672
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Speaker 8: famous operation in Beirut with all the his balla beepers

673
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 8: that blew up. And so they brought him a golden deeper,

674
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Speaker 8: pretty small, and there was a whole ceremony where NATANIAO

675
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 8: gave it to him, and you know, I don't think

676
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Speaker 8: that made much of an impression. I also don't think

677
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 8: it was real gold. It was probably goldfill. And then

678
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 8: you look at the Kataris, who how they're playing the

679
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 8: Trump game. You know, they give him a plane and

680
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 8: god knows what's in that plane, and I mean, who

681
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 8: would be surprised if there are all kinds of other

682
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Speaker 8: gifts flying with it. So they know what they're doing

683
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 8: in terms of appealing to President Trump, and they are

684
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 8: better at this game than anyone else probably, Okay, I

685
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 8: mean they're not giving him something small, you know. And

686
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Speaker 8: I have to say about a week before his trip,

687
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Speaker 8: I was talking about this with a friend from the

688
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Speaker 8: newspaper from atz Hein Levingston, who writes about diplomatic affairs,

689
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Speaker 8: and he mentioned to me that he watched a news

690
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 8: segment where a Katari official was talking about the country's

691
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 8: deliberations whether or not to buy new planes from Boeing

692
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 8: or from Airbus right basically American or European. And after

693
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Speaker 8: the Trump plane story came out, he wrote, I feel

694
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 8: ashamed of myself as a journalist. I thought the gift

695
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 8: that we're going to give Trump is to buy Boeing

696
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 8: planes for Qatar. I'm not on their game. I don't

697
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 8: even you know, not even close. They may do that

698
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 8: as well, but that's the change. But the really is

699
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 8: giving Trump a Katari plane from Boeing. Yeah, they know

700
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Speaker 8: what they're doing. They're good at this and the other

701
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Speaker 8: thing I want to say, And you're putting aside all

702
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Speaker 8: the just unbelievable nature of it. If it helps end

703
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Speaker 8: the war in Gaza, I would say give you know,

704
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 8: Katar can buy a second plane for Sara and antaniao

705
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 8: be the wives. If it brings an agreement to end

706
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Speaker 8: the war in Gaza, release all the hostages, stop all

707
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Speaker 8: the suffering and the death. Maybe that's what we need

708
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Speaker 8: right now. Because I'm a bit hopeless this morning. I

709
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 8: got to tell you, I'm seeing the negotiations happening. They're

710
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Speaker 8: in Qatar for ending the war. I don't think it's

711
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 8: moving fast enough so whatever works at this point.

712
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we want you to we want to stick

713
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Speaker 3: around for an update on those negotiations and where that's

714
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Speaker 3: going to go. First, let's unpack a little bit more

715
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Speaker 3: about of this situation because here in the United States,

716
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Speaker 3: from my perspective, at least Israel and its backers here

717
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Speaker 3: in the United States, in Joe Biden had a fierce

718
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: ideological supporter, like it, absolutely unapologetic supporter of Israel. Yes,

719
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: he like pressed net Yahoo to allow you know, a

720
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Speaker 3: couple hundred trucks of aid in every day, and for

721
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Speaker 3: you know, three or four days he withheld two thousand

722
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Speaker 3: pound bombs after you know, a series of like over

723
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Speaker 3: the top massacres. But otherwise carte blanche for Israel's war

724
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Speaker 3: effort or if you would even call it that at

725
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: this point, and they fought him and traded him for

726
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: the most transactional politician the US has had in that

727
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: office for as long as anybody can really remember. And

728
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Speaker 3: if you're going to have the most transactional office, like

729
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: you said, you've got to be on your game, and

730
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: you know, gold plated beepers.

731
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Speaker 6: Are just aren't going to do it.

732
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Speaker 3: So is there any reflection in Israel about a strategic error,

733
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Speaker 3: a blindness, and throwing out.

734
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Speaker 6: These democrats.

735
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Speaker 3: Who are we going to who were willing to self

736
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Speaker 3: immolate for Israel and for Israel in exchange for this guy.

737
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Speaker 3: It's like, can just be out, you can just be out.

738
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Speaker 8: Bid. I'll tell you what, Ryan, I think it's a

739
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 8: little too early to reach the conclusion that Trump is

740
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Speaker 8: actually changing the Biden policy on Gaza. I think you're

741
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Speaker 8: right that we saw some important arenas in the Middle

742
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 8: East recently where he was willing to go against the

743
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Speaker 8: stated position of the Attenbiao government. We saw it on Syria.

744
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Speaker 8: Tania appealed to the Trump administration not to lift sanctions

745
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Speaker 8: on the new Syrian government because of the jihadi past

746
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Speaker 8: of ahmedu Shara abul Jolani, the new leader of Syria,

747
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Speaker 8: and Trump ignored Natania's requests and went with the policy

748
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Speaker 8: that was advocated by Muhammad ben Salman of Saudi Arabia

749
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Speaker 8: and President Erganov Turkey and lifted all the sanctions of Syria.

750
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Speaker 8: Met Ahmedushara in Riad, and yes, he asked him to

751
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Speaker 8: join the Abraham of course with Israel. And I'm sure

752
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Speaker 8: the new Assyria and President told him we'd be willing

753
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Speaker 8: to consider it once the war in Gaza is over, okay,

754
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Speaker 8: because they're not going to do it while Israeli planes

755
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Speaker 8: are bombing and killing in Gaza. That that's just not

756
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Speaker 8: going to happen.

757
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Speaker 3: Realistic.

758
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Speaker 8: So on that issue, obviously a disappointment for the Natania

759
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 8: government with Trump's policy on Yemen. I'm sure you've discussed this,

760
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Speaker 8: the fact that he reached a ceasefire with the Hussies

761
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Speaker 8: that does not include their continuous attempts to launch missile

762
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Speaker 8: stward Israel, including one that landed at Bengurian Airport is

763
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Speaker 8: whereas only intern National Airport last week and almost every

764
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Speaker 8: day now you have about a million people in Israel

765
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Speaker 8: running into bomb shelters because of the hoof is while

766
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Speaker 8: the American seas fire stands on Iran. I think we'll

767
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Speaker 8: have to wait and see. We don't really know what

768
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Speaker 8: is the actual content of the negotiations, and what we

769
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Speaker 8: hear from Stephen Witkov every week is different. Right one

770
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 8: week it seems closer to the Israeli position, the next

771
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Speaker 8: week it seems more detached from it. Wade and see.

772
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Speaker 8: But on Gaza, I think that's where Nataniel is playing

773
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Speaker 8: the fiercest game right now against Trump, and that's where

774
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 8: he's being the most really kind of, you know, bare

775
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Speaker 8: knuckles approach. He's not willing to budge on the American

776
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 8: attempts to move toward ending the war and releasing all

777
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Speaker 8: the hostages in one deal. I call it the end

778
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Speaker 8: the nightmare deal, okay, and the nightmare that for Israeli

779
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Speaker 8: is claring. My family started on October seven and has

780
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Speaker 8: been going in an every day sense in Gaza and

781
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Speaker 8: in the region broadly. Okay, this is just a nightmare,

782
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Speaker 8: and if we don't end it soon, it's going to

783
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Speaker 8: get much worse, because right now there are preparations for

784
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Speaker 8: another military operation in Gaza, and I don't want to

785
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Speaker 8: think what would happen. This is very personal for me

786
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Speaker 8: because I have a friend who has held hostage there

787
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Speaker 8: for five hundred and eighty six days now. On rem

788
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Speaker 8: Iran was kidnapped by Hamas from my community Keeboard, snachal Os,

789
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Speaker 8: on the border with Gaza. We fear for his life,

790
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Speaker 8: and we know that President Trump and they want to

791
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Speaker 8: end the war. We know that. And honestly, guys, Biden

792
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 8: wanted to end the war too, Okay, he had his whole.

793
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Speaker 8: If you remember, in May twenty twenty four, almost a

794
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 8: year ago, he presented a plan to end the war,

795
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Speaker 8: but he didn't really use any leverage to actually bring

796
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Speaker 8: about that result. And right now I can't say for

797
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 8: sure that there is a change on the issue that

798
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 8: Trump is actually going to use the immense leverage that

799
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Speaker 8: he has to bring about an end to the war.

800
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Speaker 8: Maybe something will emerge out of this visit right now

801
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 8: to Qatar. We are all hoping and praying. We haven't

802
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 8: seen it yet.

803
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: Well, let's put on the screen here some of your

804
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: points actually that you've made, Amir c One. We can

805
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Speaker 4: start with one, So, Amir, you posted on ex trump

806
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: statement now on the release of hostage of Don Alexander

807
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 4: is the first time since January twenty twenty five that

808
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: he explicitly mentioned ending Gaza War as part of a

809
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: deal to release all hostages and finish the nightmare that

810
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: began on October seventh. Huge positive sign. Only he and

811
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Speaker 4: Whitkough can do it. And then we can move to

812
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: the next element where you point out a mirror less

813
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 4: than a day since his return from Hamasque captivity, the

814
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Speaker 4: pro Nesta Yahoo channel fourteen is attacking it Don Alexander

815
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Speaker 4: and his family on live television because his mother thanked

816
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: President Trump for a Don's release and not Prime Minister

817
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: Netta Yaho sick twisted, narcissistic behavior, and I just want

818
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: to ask him here if you could tell us a

819
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 4: little bit, share a little bit about how this is

820
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: being received domestically in Israel. The developments just in the

821
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Speaker 4: last couple of days. It's been really I can't remember.

822
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 4: You're seeing such an interesting or interesting sort of political

823
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Speaker 4: dynamic between the US and Israel.

824
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Speaker 5: Interesting. Surprising is maybe one way to put it.

825
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 8: Unprecedented. Yeah, listen, Yeah, you're right, because let's look back

826
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Speaker 8: what happened here, Okay. Dan Alexander is this twenty year

827
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Speaker 8: old guy, grew up in New Jersey, son of Israeli parents.

828
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Speaker 8: When he was eighteen, decided he wants to go back

829
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Speaker 8: to Israel serving the military, and then he was taken

830
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Speaker 8: by Hamas on October seven and held in terrible, inhumane

831
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Speaker 8: conditions for so many days, you know, tortured and went

832
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 8: through hell and for a long time there was an

833
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Speaker 8: attempt to release him as part of the broader deal.

834
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Speaker 8: But at some point when people in the Trump administry,

835
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Speaker 8: specifically Adam Bohler, who was in charge of hostage negotiations,

836
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 8: realized that NATANIAO and Ron Dermer, his right hand man,

837
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Speaker 8: we're wasting time and we're not serious about moving into

838
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Speaker 8: the second phase of the January twenty twenty five ceasefire.

839
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Speaker 8: And then we saw, of course that you know, the

840
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Speaker 8: ceasefire collapsed because Natania wasn't willing to continue. They began

841
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 8: an independent effort to release only Idan Alexander, who is

842
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Speaker 8: the last living a hostage who was a dual Israeli

843
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 8: American citizen. There are also four hostages who were murdered

844
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Speaker 8: on October seven and are held by FAMAS. Their bodies

845
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 8: are there, but Idani is alive, and Adam Bahler went

846
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Speaker 8: to meet directly with some of the most senior people

847
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 8: in Hamas without notifying Israel a bat and there was

848
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 8: a whole crisis about this. In March, the Trump administration

849
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Speaker 8: suspected that it was leaked by the Israeli government after

850
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 8: they found out about it through intelligence. In order to

851
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 8: aboutage those negotiations. Two months pass and eventually again the

852
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 8: Americans try a separate channel with Ramas Barakravid. My friend

853
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 8: wrote a very interesting article in Access about how exactly

854
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 8: was negotiated and they succeed to reach some understanding with

855
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 8: Ramas we don't know all the details, and Haramas releases

856
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 8: Idan Alexander, so that by itself is incredible and like

857
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 8: you said, unprecedented. And in Israel, everybody is happy that

858
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 8: Idan is out. Okay, this young man came to Israel

859
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 8: to defend the country. He didn't have to do it,

860
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 8: could have gone to college like everybody his age in America.

861
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 8: So everybody is really happy for him. But we're also asking, wait,

862
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 8: what does this mean? Is there a difference between an

863
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 8: Israeli citizen who also has an American passport and all

864
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 8: the others. If you're taken hostage by a terror organization,

865
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Speaker 8: you better have an American passport or otherwise your own government.

866
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't even want to continue the sentence,

867
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Speaker 8: but it raises really disturbing questions. And then the second

868
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Speaker 8: part of it was that yesterday his mother l gave

869
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Speaker 8: a short statement to the press at Efield Hospital in

870
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Speaker 8: Tel Aviv, were already done is recovering, and she thanked

871
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 8: President Trump and mister Whitkoff, and I think also Adam Boehler,

872
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 8: and she thanked you know, the soldiers who fought to

873
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Speaker 8: bring her son back and the doctors who are treating him.

874
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 8: And she did not thank Prime Minister Natanielle. And I

875
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 8: think for obvious reasons, because he's been stonewalling, he's been

876
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 8: wasting time, he's been avoiding a decision to make a

877
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 8: deal in end this war. And again there is suspicion

878
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 8: that he harmed the previous attempt to release her son.

879
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 8: And as a result of this, you had this ugly

880
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 8: phenomenon of pundits and media people and people with large

881
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 8: following on social media attacking her and attacking him her

882
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 8: son simply because they you know, she thanked President Trump

883
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 8: and not Prime Minister natataniel and that. I also wrote

884
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 8: a column about it today in how it's it's unbelievable,

885
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 8: it's despicable. And instead of attacking her and saying why

886
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 8: doesn't she think, you know, maybe we can just move

887
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 8: along to actually do a deal, bring out all the

888
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 8: other hostages, and end the war, and then we won't

889
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 8: and then we can have a lot of time to

890
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 8: fight over who gets the credits.

891
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so there are a couple of different reactions.

892
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: You could have as an Israeli public to that, like

893
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 3: one is the one that you're describing like anger at

894
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: the mom like, how dare you?

895
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 6: We don't have it.

896
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: But there's this amazing clip I'm sure you've seen it

897
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: where wick Cough and net Yahoo are talking and wit

898
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: Cough thanks nt Yahoo for not getting in the way

899
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: of the deal.

900
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 8: For not sabotaging it.

901
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: Basically like an absolutely striking thing to say while in

902
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: a public call.

903
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 6: And maybe this is w.

904
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 8: And Ryan and Ryan I want to interrupt and just

905
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 8: note that the very situation that this guy is an

906
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 8: Israeli soldier and an Israeli citizen and Withitkoff is the

907
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 8: one who greets him and then gets his own prime

908
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 8: minister on the phone, is by itself, you know, unusual.

909
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 8: I mean, why should we But that's just the situation

910
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 8: right now. And this feeds into a greater feeling that

911
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 8: you hear from a lot of the families of the

912
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 8: hostages who tell the press that they get a lot

913
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 8: more empathy and a lot more support and a lot

914
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 8: more understanding from people in the Trump administration, especially with

915
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 8: coof and Adam Bohler then they get from people in

916
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 8: the NATANIAU government, and they have more meetings and more

917
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 8: briefings and more access to mister Whitkof and the others

918
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 8: working on this issue in Washington, then in Jerusalem, where

919
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 8: many of the ministers in Nataniao's government look at them

920
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 8: with scorn and they look at them as a burden

921
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 8: that is hurting the war effort. Yeah, so that's what

922
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 8: we've come to. It's very sad, all right.

923
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: So the one the one response would be, well, let's

924
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: burn burn this woman, uh, you know, for you know,

925
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: being disrespectful to the Prime minister who you know, so

926
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: so selfish, so selflessly like, didn't sabotage the deal, So

927
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: they can't you know, can't he get some some gratitude

928
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: for that. The other reaction would be the one that

929
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: you alluded to earlier, which is what is wrong with

930
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: my government that you have to have an American passport

931
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: for them to care about you. Why don't they care

932
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: about the Israeli citizens? So why isn't why isn't that

933
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: more predominant? Why isn't that driving the politics? And what

934
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: what did you mean earlier when you were saying that

935
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: you feel a lot of pessimism this morning about the

936
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: about the state of the negotiations.

937
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 8: Well, the two things are connected to one another, because

938
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 8: you've seen in public opinion polling that around seventy percent

939
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 8: of the Israelis tomorrow morning would gladly take the deal

940
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 8: to release all the remaining hostages and end the war.

941
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 8: This is something that has a lot of support in Israel.

942
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 8: The government is refusing to do it. There is no

943
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 8: real external pressure on a TANIAO to do it because

944
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 8: Trump so far has not crossed the rublicon of actually

945
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 8: applying pressure on a TANIAU in this direction. And you

946
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 8: showed my post from a few days ago where I

947
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 8: noted that he used those words for the first time,

948
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 8: you know, and the brutal war. Those were the words

949
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 8: that Trump used in a post on x That was

950
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 8: the first time he even wrote it or said it.

951
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 8: So the movement on this is slow, and as a result,

952
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 8: a lot of people feel depressed and feel helpless because

953
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 8: they want the war to end, the hostages to come

954
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 8: back in this nightmare to be done with. And there

955
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 8: have been demonstrations, some of them very large, and you know,

956
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 8: it's hard to keep momentum all the time, but people

957
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 8: have out again and again into the streets, and yet

958
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 8: N'tagnell completely ignores this, and it's not clear that there

959
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 8: is external pressure that would lead in a different direction,

960
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 8: and that leads to a sense of despair and hopelessness.

961
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 8: And I really hope we'll get some news out of

962
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 8: this visit by President Trump that would change the momentum

963
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 8: take it in a different direction. I do believe that

964
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 8: he and Witkock can do it. I think they have enough,

965
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 8: you know, especially after this visit and after he does released.

966
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 8: They have a strong public standing in Israel that most

967
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 8: of these really public would one hundred percent support such

968
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 8: a move if they decided to go for it, And

969
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 8: even if there was some kind of a confrontation that

970
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 8: evolved as a result of it, I don't know that

971
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 8: they're there yet.

972
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 4: Well, and just my question that is, what are you

973
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 4: looking to see from Donald Trump now? He is in

974
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: Calor today, we're just talking about color, he was in Riod.

975
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: Are there particular Are there particular interactions or statements other

976
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: than kind of the obvious as you were just mentioning

977
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: that you might expect to see from Trump that would

978
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 4: give you more hope, Amir.

979
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 8: I think it's very important that he keeps staying out

980
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 8: loud in a very clear way. What he wrote on

981
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 8: sund I think it was on Sunday regarding this. You

982
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 8: know that all the hostages in the war, and I

983
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 8: think it's important to put a proposal like that on

984
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 8: the table and create broad support for it. And that

985
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 8: will be easy because this is what the Saudis want,

986
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 8: this is what the Qataris want, this is what the

987
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 8: Immiratis want, this is what all the world wants, really,

988
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 8: and you can create strong momentum toward it. That would

989
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 8: also create a momentum in Israel for people to come

990
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 8: up and say, Okay, let's do it. And I want

991
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 8: to remind you that Trump really one of his biggest

992
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 8: goals before he embarked on the strip was to expand

993
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 8: the Abraham Accords and add Saudi Arabia to the normalization

994
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 8: a pact with Israel. Well, the only reason this isn't

995
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 8: happening is because of the war in Gaza. And the

996
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 8: Saudis are willing, are interested, they want to do it,

997
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 8: but they can't do it while bombs are dropping and

998
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 8: people are dying in Gaza. That's something that they just

999
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 8: can't do because of their own domestic public opinion. And

1000
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 8: this is something that is also I think, you know,

1001
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 8: in Trump's clear interests to get this problem out of

1002
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 8: the way. But of course it will involve a direct

1003
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 8: confrontation with Ntaniel, who doesn't want to do it. And

1004
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 8: it's up to President Trump and mister Wick to the

1005
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 8: side that they're willing to go that distance and to

1006
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 8: actually do it. They're the only ones who can. I mean,

1007
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 8: you're hearing other countries, you know, Britain, Germany, France, everybody's

1008
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 8: saying it's time to end the war and are using

1009
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 8: very strong language. You know. McCrone yesterday said, and this

1010
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 8: was an interesting choice of words, by the way, he said,

1011
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 8: what the Nataniel government is doing in Gaza is beyond shameful.

1012
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 8: And he didn't say Israel even he sent Antanniau government,

1013
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 8: because I think he's been briefed that today most people

1014
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 8: in Israel want things to go in a completely different direction,

1015
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 8: want a hostage deal and an end to this. We're

1016
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 8: not hearing anything like that yet from the White House.

1017
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: There's some interesting tea leaves in his Rio odd speech yesterday,

1018
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: and I want to play a little clip and you

1019
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: tell me if I'm reading too much into this because

1020
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: sometimes I'm prone to do that.

1021
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 6: But let's roll c seven here.

1022
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 7: The transformations have been unbelievably remarkable before our eyes. A

1023
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 7: new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts of

1024
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 7: tired divisions of the past and forging a future where

1025
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 7: the Middle East is defined by commerce not chaos, where

1026
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 7: it exports technology not terrorism, and where people of different nations, religions,

1027
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 7: and creeds are building cities together, not bombing each other

1028
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 7: out of existence.

1029
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 8: We don't want that.

1030
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, if you notice that, that last

1031
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: part looked to me like an ad lib, like he's

1032
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: reading off the teleprompter, and then he goes to, we

1033
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: don't want people bombing other people's out of existence.

1034
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 6: We don't want that.

1035
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: Like that that that felt like something he added in

1036
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: who else can you be talking about? Like, I mean,

1037
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: I guess Irun? Yeah, I think that was a real

1038
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: out of existence.

1039
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 8: I think that was the reference to Iran. I think

1040
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 8: on Iran. Trump is more kind of, you know, willing

1041
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 8: to go beyond the limitations of the classic you know,

1042
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 8: specifically in the Republican Party, you know, the politics around

1043
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 8: this issue. He's willing to push it more on that

1044
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 8: in order to get a deal. And I think one

1045
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 8: of the reasons is reflected in the difficulties that he

1046
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 8: found out once the bombing campaign against the ruth Is

1047
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 8: went into its fourth or fifth week, that the Americans

1048
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 8: were bombing every night, again and again, and the hoof Is,

1049
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 8: despite taking the hits, continued to cause a lot of problems.

1050
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 8: And they actually managed to take down several American drones

1051
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 8: that were very expensive and almost shot down from what

1052
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 8: I read in the news, you know, advanced American planes.

1053
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 8: And you had these, you know, weird accidents on the

1054
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 8: Harry Truman Air Force carrier. So I think at some point,

1055
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 8: you know, Trump said okay, let's cut the losses and

1056
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 8: get a deal here. And I think going into a

1057
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 8: war with Iran would pose even greater complications. You know,

1058
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 8: of course America can bomb he runs nuclear facilities. That's obvious. Okay.

1059
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 8: The United States has the ability to do it technically,

1060
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 8: it's not even a question. There is a question whether

1061
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 8: Israel can do it alone. I don't know the answer,

1062
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 8: but it's clear that the United States can do it.

1063
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 8: But then what happens next. Let's say you bond it

1064
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 8: for four or five straight days, What happens on day six,

1065
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 8: What happens on day seven, if they attack Saudi Arabia,

1066
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 8: if they attack the Emirates, if they attack American military basis,

1067
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 8: if they carried terror attacks against Americans in the region,

1068
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 8: what do you do then? And I think that's, you know,

1069
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 8: perhaps something that the campaign in Yemen brought to Trump's thinking.

1070
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 8: You know that there are also limitations to the use

1071
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 8: of power in these situations, especially when you're fighting against

1072
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 8: people who are religious extremists, who don't really care to

1073
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 8: die in some situations, who have a messianic worldview. And

1074
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 8: I think that is also influencing his thinking right now

1075
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 8: about the Iran negotiations.

1076
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, my last question for you a mirror is

1077
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 4: basically how this dynamic where potentially the Israeli far right

1078
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 4: is realizing the limitations of the deep entanglement with the

1079
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: United States. I've seen that sort of cheered in some corners,

1080
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 4: especially here in the United States, as a good thing.

1081
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: And obviously these really far rights these this is potentially

1082
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: a good thing, and probably not even just the far right.

1083
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 4: You can understand why because in a sense, it looks like, Okay,

1084
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: Israel can do what Israel wants to do in the

1085
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: United States doesn't have to be you know, if you're

1086
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 4: ISRAELI doesn't have to be the kingmaker anymore. Israel can

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Speaker 4: serve do what's in its best interest without having to

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Speaker 4: get permission from another country. And the arguments for this

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Speaker 4: are myriad, and I'm just curious though, if you could

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Speaker 4: maybe give us what the I mean. There's a downside

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Speaker 4: to it too, and the downside might be actually an

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Speaker 4: unleashed nets in Yahoo, an unleashed israelly far right that

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Speaker 4: could make the problems that are already there even worse.

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Speaker 5: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I understand the argument, but I'm not convinced by yet,

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Speaker 8: because I think Israel needs the United States for many

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Speaker 8: many reasons, and the relationship with the US is one

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Speaker 8: of a kind for Israel. There is no replacement for it.

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Speaker 8: There is no other country in the world that can

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Speaker 8: replace the US. From the Israeli perspective, I don't know

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Speaker 8: another country that would be willing to offer Israel such

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Speaker 8: generous military assistance and intelligence sharing and to make the

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Speaker 8: defense of Israel from its regional enemies part of its

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Speaker 8: own national security strategy. In some cases, There's nothing like it.

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Speaker 8: Anywhere else in the world. And there is no country

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Speaker 8: in the world where you have such a large part

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Speaker 8: of the population expressing such positive views towards Israel as

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Speaker 8: you have in the United States, with Christian Evangelicas and

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Speaker 8: large parts of the Jewish community and more broadly than

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Speaker 8: American public. And I think the real question for Israel

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Speaker 8: is what you're seeing politically right now in the United States.

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Speaker 8: Maybe not with the Trump administration. Maybe there it's a

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Speaker 8: little early, you know. I'm on the side of caution

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Speaker 8: about this Trump versus bb narrative. I see, like I

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Speaker 8: told you, I see it in some places. I don't

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Speaker 8: see it on Gazza yet. But I want to give

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Speaker 8: you something that was amazing for me. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 8: Tom Friedman wrote an article in The New York Times

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Speaker 8: that was very critical of Natania. Not for the first time, obviously,

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Speaker 8: but the language was pretty strong. He basically appealed to

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Speaker 8: President Trump and said NATANIAO is not your ally. And

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Speaker 8: that article began spreading amongst some corners of the American

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Speaker 8: right until no other than Steve Bannon shared it on

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Speaker 8: his own social media network, basically writing fact in capital letters.

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Speaker 8: I don't remember Steve Bannon sharing an article by Tom

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Speaker 8: Friedman that's like hell freezing over right, yes too, kind

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Speaker 8: of two distinct corners of the American media ecosystem. And

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Speaker 8: to have them in agreement on this statement that NETANIAO

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Speaker 8: is not an ally of President Trump's agenda. That's something

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Speaker 8: that should be concerning to his readise and it shows

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Speaker 8: how the political winds are shifting in a direction that

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Speaker 8: in the long term, could be very bad for Eastrael.

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Speaker 3: And before we let you go, I wanted to ask

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Speaker 3: you about the kind of Israeli journalism community and how

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Speaker 3: it's been responding to the unprecedented number of killings of

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Speaker 3: Palestinian journalists. And this was brought to mind just yet yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I guess it was two nights ago, we got the

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Speaker 3: news that hassansala A, you know, one of the most

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Speaker 3: prominent journalists in Gaza and all all of Palestine as

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Speaker 3: a matter of fact, was killed in the burn unit

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Speaker 3: of the Naser Hospital complex. And he was he was

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Speaker 3: in the burn unit because his tent had been struck

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Speaker 3: in April outside of the Naser Hospital complex, which killed

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Speaker 3: killed two journalists and badly severely wounded him. People will

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Speaker 3: probably remember those the horrifying images from that strike of

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Speaker 3: the journalist burning alive. So the one the man who survives,

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Speaker 3: is then targeted in his burn in his bed in

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Speaker 3: the hospital and was not collateral damage like the IDF

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Speaker 3: came out and said, he's a terrorist, and you know

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Speaker 3: he was with other terrorists.

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Speaker 6: And we targeted him.

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Speaker 3: Their evidence for that was a photo that he had

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Speaker 3: taken with Sinoar at one point, which all of his

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Speaker 3: colleagues have talked about for years. This was many, many

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Speaker 3: years ago, and Sinwar had been kind of underground for

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Speaker 3: a while, out of out of public view, and came

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Speaker 3: to a public event and he saw Hassan there, and

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Speaker 3: Hassan being one of the most famous journalists.

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Speaker 8: And the pictures that he gives him a kiss or something.

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Speaker 3: He gives him a kiss, and Hassan told her a

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Speaker 3: lot of his friends he was deeply unhappy about that.

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Speaker 3: But as you know, you've been around, you know, public officials.

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Speaker 8: I think Ryan that specifically in this case, and I'm

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Speaker 8: not fasting judgment, but I do want to bring these

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Speaker 8: rarely perspective on this. There was also the issue that

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Speaker 8: there were images of him that became very famous in

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Speaker 8: Israeli and all over you know, the region on October seven,

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Speaker 8: kind of embedded with the mass forces that attacked Israel.

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Speaker 8: And I think there was this picture like next to

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Speaker 8: a burning tank, and that was I think how most

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Speaker 8: Israelis came to know him and identify him. And that's

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Speaker 8: why when the Idea you know, announced this attack, a

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Speaker 8: lot of people kind of said, oh, this is the

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Speaker 8: journalist from October seven.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I think that's what That's what struck me too,

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Speaker 3: because you know, he was freelancing for the Associated Press

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Speaker 3: and others at the time he went over the fence

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Speaker 3: about an hour after the attack, and yeah, a lot

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Speaker 3: of the images that we have a lot from that day.

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Speaker 6: We're taking through, you know, came came from him.

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Speaker 3: Which is but that's that's that's the job of a journalist,

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Speaker 3: like a journalist documents scenes. So yeah, he was being

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Speaker 3: there saying, oh, he's being a secret terrorist by but

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Speaker 3: covering it as a journalist.

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Speaker 8: If you're going to be a terror, there are Their

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Speaker 8: argument was that he was. Their argument was that he was,

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Speaker 8: you know, knowledgeable about it. Part of it I don't know, okay,

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Speaker 8: because that's not you know, I can't pass judgment on this.

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Speaker 8: I do want to say that we have seen and

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Speaker 8: a lot of cases during the war where you had

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Speaker 8: journalists being hurt. And I want to say, one person

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Speaker 8: that I really appreciate who's spoken out about this is

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Speaker 8: Trey Yings from Fox News, who you know, works for

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Speaker 8: an outlet that is obviously very supportive of Israel most

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Speaker 8: of the time, but on this issue of Palestinian journalists,

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Speaker 8: he's spoken out again and again on the need to

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Speaker 8: protect them. And from my point of view, you know,

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Speaker 8: I don't want to litigate every terrible thing that happens

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Speaker 8: right now. I'm speaking about the need to end war

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Speaker 8: and to put an end to it, and to bring

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Speaker 8: the hostages and to end all of these turble because

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Speaker 8: if we start litigating this case, in that case, so

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Speaker 8: I'll bring you the Israeli perspective and what the idea

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Speaker 8: is saying, you'll bring me the other perspective, and we

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Speaker 8: can go on for hours, and I don't think we

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Speaker 8: even have the time for those hours. What we really

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Speaker 8: need is to say, how do we put an end

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Speaker 8: to this? How do we situation It's a.

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Speaker 3: Good point in the time you would spend discussing the

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Speaker 3: details of it. Thirty more Pala Sinians would be killed

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Speaker 3: in another in another strike, and the and.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we got to find a way. We got to

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Speaker 8: find a way to put an end to this. And

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Speaker 8: it's really in the hands of President Trump more than

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Speaker 8: any other person right now.

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Speaker 3: All right, Amir Tabone journalist with Auretz, thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you guys for having me appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Author of The Gates of Gaza, by the way, terrific book.

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Speaker 8: Thank you Ryan, thanks for mentioning that.

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Speaker 4: Congressional Republicans are scrambling this week to try and finally

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Speaker 4: hammer out the details of the big, beautiful reconciliation bill

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump has staked part of the success of

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Speaker 4: his trade war on and also his legacy. That Trump

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Speaker 4: tax cuts being made permanent would be a significant campaign

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Speaker 4: promise coming to fruition, but also is seen by the

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Speaker 4: President and his allies as a necessary sort of counterweight

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Speaker 4: to that ten percent global tariff. At the very least,

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Speaker 4: and whatever reciprocal tariffs may be hammered out in the

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Speaker 4: days and months ahead. They're hoping to use it as

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Speaker 4: something of an industrial policy to attempt to juice the

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Speaker 4: market and get some companies reshoring to the United.

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Speaker 5: States, we will see.

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Speaker 4: But the Houseways and Means Committee, literally I think it

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Speaker 4: was eighteen hours. They just ended a couple like an

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Speaker 4: hour before. We're taping this right now. On Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 4: they had a marathon session marking up the bill throughout

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Speaker 4: the evening and last night, and we have video here

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Speaker 4: actually are ready of this bill getting protested in the

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Speaker 4: Rayburn House office building yesterday.

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Speaker 5: You can see on your screen this.

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Speaker 4: Is someone sarcastically said like Boomer January six, although the

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Speaker 4: original January so it was kind of Boomer January six

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Speaker 4: Medicaid cuts, potential Medicaid cuts in the bill. So they

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Speaker 4: were trying to get into the hearing and we're being

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Speaker 4: an insurrection, Yes, an insurrection. We have a motorized scooter insurrection.

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Speaker 3: The Republic is secure from that insurrection attempt. We should

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Speaker 3: make sure the public is aware.

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Speaker 4: Yes, everything is okay. And they were able to work

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Speaker 4: till what like eight in the morning.

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Speaker 6: Can because of the terrorists outside there.

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Speaker 5: It would have been too hard.

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Speaker 4: But you know, this is a really interesting bill because

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Speaker 4: with reconciliation bills, obviously you end up with these fascinating

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Speaker 4: negotiation processes and they become you know, the smoke fell

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Speaker 4: background deals, and we're just seeing the early stages of

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Speaker 4: that played out playing out now, Ryan, we're seeing kind

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Speaker 4: of what some of the pieces might be. But Mike Johnson, Speaker,

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Speaker 4: Mike Johnson has a long way to go. Obviously, sen

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Speaker 4: Up majority leader John Thune has a long way to go.

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Speaker 4: But Johnson particularly is in a very difficult position. He

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Speaker 4: has a razor thin margin in the House of Representatives,

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Speaker 4: and already his conference is divided deeply, not just over

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Speaker 4: things like salt, which we'll get to, the state and

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Speaker 4: local tax deduction, which we'll get to in a minute,

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Speaker 4: but also just spending in general. So I want to

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Speaker 4: start with one of the more interesting ideas. This is

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Speaker 4: from the Senate side that Senator Ted Kruz has come

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Speaker 4: up with for the bill. We're going to go ahead

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Speaker 4: and roll D one. This is the Magababy investment idea

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Speaker 4: from Senator Cruz.

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Speaker 14: The idea is simple, which is that we're going to

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Speaker 14: create an investment account for every newborn child in America

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Speaker 14: at birth, and that investment account the federal government will

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Speaker 14: seed with one thousand dollars, but that account can receive

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Speaker 14: every year up to five thousand dollars in contributions from

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Speaker 14: friends and family members and from employers, and those contributions

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Speaker 14: grow on a tax deferred basis, and they can take

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Speaker 14: it out after they turn eighteen. What it does is

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Speaker 14: it takes every child in America and it gives them

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Speaker 14: number one, the miracle of compound growth, the ability to

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Speaker 14: accumulate wealth, which is transformational. But number two, it makes

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Speaker 14: some stakeholders. It gives them a stake in the American

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Speaker 14: free enterprise system. And you ask how much they can save.

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Speaker 14: If you have a baby that is born this year,

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Speaker 14: that starts with the initial one thousand dollars seed contribution

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Speaker 14: over the next eighteen years, if five thousand dollars a

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Speaker 14: year is contributed at seven percent growth, by the time

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Speaker 14: they're eighteen, they have one hundred and seventy thousand dollars

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Speaker 14: in this account. By the time they're thirty five, they

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Speaker 14: have seven hundred thousand dollars in the accounts.

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Speaker 4: Rin I actually think this is a brilliant idea. I'm

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Speaker 4: curious what you make of it. So if you I

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Speaker 4: think the ustman is there's like three point six million

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Speaker 4: babies born in the United States per year roughly, according

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Speaker 4: to the Census Bureau so compared to other things we

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Speaker 4: spend ridiculous amounts of money on, it's relatively cheap to

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Speaker 4: seed an account with one thousand dollars per baby.

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Speaker 5: This is in the bill.

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Speaker 4: It is somewhat hilariously called like the Money Account for

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Speaker 4: Growth and Advancement, so MAGA account, which is an appeal

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Speaker 4: obviously to Donald Trump. I think this could be a

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Speaker 4: very interesting negotiating trip maybe with the Salt.

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Speaker 5: The Salt Conference.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you want take the money from the babies, if.

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Speaker 3: You I'm not against it. Free free money for babies, fine,

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Speaker 3: like having a if people think that that's going to

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Speaker 3: change the calculation on whether to have a baby when

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Speaker 3: it comes to them, Like just you know, your first

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Speaker 3: five minutes in the hospital is going to cost you

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Speaker 3: more than that aside from all the other costs those

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Speaker 3: who are having a baby. But if you're going to

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Speaker 3: try to help kids out, help parents out, go for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: have fun.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it would be a fun negotiating chip

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Speaker 4: with the Salt guys. You're like, oh, you want your

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Speaker 4: state and local tax deduction tripled. Okay, well you're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Have to get rid of the babies to like you'll

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Speaker 3: be fine with that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well see, yeah, they would be fine with They absolutely

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Speaker 4: would be fine with it, and sets up an interesting

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Speaker 4: also an interesting one of those conversations about listen, why

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Speaker 4: should those of us who aren't having children subsidize the

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Speaker 4: people who are having children? And which could become a

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Speaker 4: pretty interesting debate as.

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Speaker 6: Well, which yeah, I'd be happy to have.

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Speaker 3: Like what are you going to do when you're old,

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01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: Like you want to live in a society, but you

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Speaker 3: don't want children, Like get out of here, Like it's

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Speaker 3: not how it works.

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Speaker 4: Children want the means to yeah, like have productive lives.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and also like just productivity in general, Like

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Speaker 3: everything you do requires people to help you do it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if somebody isn't raising those children into people,

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Speaker 3: how you're just gonna do everything yourself, even when you're ninety, Like,

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Speaker 3: get out of here. That's not serious now the broad

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Speaker 3: structures here, right? Correct me if I'm wrong that the

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: Trump initially said that he might like go with some

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Speaker 3: slightly higher taxes on the rich, and then he had

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Speaker 3: this bizarre truth post where he says, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of for it, but I can see arguments against it.

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Speaker 3: So you guys do what you want, and House Republicans

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01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 3: are like, okay, cool, then we are definitely cutting taxes

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Speaker 3: on the risk. Ye, it's up to us.

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Speaker 6: More tax breaks for the rich.

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Speaker 3: And then we have to break Trump's other promise, which

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Speaker 3: is I'm definitely not going to cut medicaid, and so

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Speaker 3: in order to pay for the tax cuts for the rich,

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Speaker 3: you have to then cut a bunch of medicaid. And

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Speaker 3: then to say, well, we're gonna get a give a

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars every baby, yep, while cutting eight hundred billion

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 3: or whatever from medicaid is kind of insulting to people's intelligence,

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Speaker 3: I would think, right.

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Speaker 4: So to be clear, the baby part of that is

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Speaker 4: actually in the bill, and the bill was it passed

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Speaker 4: out of the committee just again like an hour ago

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Speaker 4: after I think eighteen hours of deliberation on a twenty

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Speaker 4: six to nineteen vote. So that's a party line vote.

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Speaker 4: It's going to the House Budget Committee. Now. It's about

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Speaker 4: a four hundred paid, four hundred page bill, and there's

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Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff being crammed into it, not just

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Speaker 4: the baby stuff, but also Ryan somebody that you're paying

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Speaker 4: very close attention to, the nonprofit status revocability from the

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Speaker 4: Treasury Department.

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Speaker 5: Many people paying close attention to that one.

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Speaker 4: By the way, not just left leaning nonprofits, but potentially

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Speaker 4: conservative nonprofits who could end up getting absolutely wrecked should

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Speaker 4: a democratic administration turn that on them, as they did

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Speaker 4: even before a law like that existed during the IRS controversy,

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Speaker 4: the Lowest Learner controversy, which is more nuanced obviously than

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Speaker 4: a lot of people on the right, remember, but was

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Speaker 4: still nonprofits being targeted by the government. Is it's a

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Speaker 4: slippery slope no matter what.

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Speaker 6: Do you think they'll pull this out?

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Speaker 3: Actually, yes, drop Site is a nonprofit. Yep, I thought,

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Speaker 3: and be annoying to allow that's the Secretary of the

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Speaker 3: Treasury just just be like, actually, don't don't we don't

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Speaker 3: think so we don't like drop site yep, yep.

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Speaker 4: That could absolutely happen, which is why again I don't

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Speaker 4: think this sends up in the bill. And another thing,

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to skip ahead here, but D four

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Speaker 4: this is about AI. So there was a little provision

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Speaker 4: inserted into the bill. Matt Stoller pointed this out. It

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Speaker 4: bans regulation of social media. He also mentions it's AI regulation.

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Speaker 4: And one thing I heard yesterday is that some members

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Speaker 4: might not have even been aware that this was dropped in.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, we're talking about a orange page bill

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Speaker 4: and it's being flagged.

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Speaker 5: But you know, this is one.

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Speaker 4: Of the more interesting divisions in Trump's Republican Party is

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Speaker 4: whether or not AI should be sort of unleashed or

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Speaker 4: should be closely monitored because it is an apocalyptic threat

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Speaker 4: to Western civilization. And all of that comes to a

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01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 4: head in a question about these regulations going forward.

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Speaker 5: Now back to the broader problems. This is dtwo not.

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Speaker 3: Going to make it. I don't know, Come on, maggot.

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Speaker 4: I genuinely don't know. I would be more confident that

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Speaker 4: the nonprofit one gets cut than that one. Also, taxing

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 4: university endowments, fantastic populist left and right type horseshoe idea

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 4: that's in the bill. We'll see how much that stuff

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 4: survives at these colleges and universities have powerful lobbyists, and

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Speaker 4: they are lobbyist lobbyists.

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Speaker 5: Did the up. I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 4: The mobbed up with lobbyists, But that's the best that

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01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,799
Speaker 4: I could come up with. D two is from Representative

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01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 4: trip Roy Freedmacaucus guy, very much a leader in that

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 4: space on the policy front. So he's saying there will

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 4: be enormous pressure to quote get in line to support

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Speaker 4: the bill because it does a number of things we

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Speaker 4: support regardless of the merits. Though if we object, we

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 4: will be called grand standards and we must comply by

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Speaker 4: influencers in some elected officials. I won't care about the pressure,

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Speaker 4: he says. He asks, does the bill meaningfully reduce the

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 4: deficit getting to one point five trillion in supposed savings

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Speaker 4: plus the tax policy. It's good, he says, but it

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Speaker 4: still leaves more than twenty trillion dollars an additional debt

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Speaker 4: in ten years, and most of the quote unquote cuts

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 4: are beyond the Trump years, so beyond three point five

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Speaker 4: years out, which is a fun way to do the

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01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 4: math to get it to work out for you in

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 4: CBO projections, And actually those Congressional Budget Office projections are

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Speaker 4: something I think Republicans are planning to push back against

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01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 4: really hard. Republicans and Democrats both do that ass Does

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Speaker 4: the bill offer any transformative changes on Medicaid or otherwise currently? No,

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Speaker 4: it ignores the policy changes that matter. Meanwhile, Senator Josh

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Speaker 4: Hawlly is saying, do not touch Medicaid.

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Speaker 5: It is what Bannon has made this point many times.

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Speaker 4: It is medicaid is what Maga is surviving off of,

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 4: basically like this matters to working class populist Maga. But

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 4: Senator Ron Johnson wrote not bed in the Wall Street

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Speaker 4: Journal just yesterday, this is D five saying that it

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Speaker 4: doesn't make enough cuts, sounding exactly the same note as

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Speaker 4: Chip Roy. And this is probably a bill they're planning

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Speaker 4: to get they would like to have passed around July.

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: So we are a month and a half out, which

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01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 4: may seem like a long time. But trying to get

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Speaker 4: Ron Johnson and Josh Holly on the Senate side together

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 4: and then Chip Roy and Mike Johnson and the centrist

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 4: Republicans together on the House side when you have such

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 4: a thin.

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Speaker 5: Margin, good luck. D six.

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Speaker 4: This is a political article from yesterday from one of

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Speaker 4: the caucus.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 4: So this is Nikol Lootas saying, quote, the bill is

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 4: dead and absolutely blasting Jason Smith, who's the chairman of

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Speaker 4: the Ways and Means Committee. Lo Lotas said actually on Monday,

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 4: quote the bill is dead effectively on the floor. The

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 4: Salt Caucus has been having an absolute meltdown. So the

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Speaker 4: Johnson Bill as of right now triples.

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Speaker 6: Let's tell people what the salt situation is.

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 4: So the state local tax deduction is a wonky thing

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01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,919
Speaker 4: that is actually a fascinating glimpse into how the Washington

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Speaker 4: establishment works.

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01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 5: They get their way all the time because they pitch

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 5: a fit.

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01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 4: It's people in blue states and particularly Republicans who talk

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01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 4: a big game about fiscal responsibility, wanting their constituents to

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01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 4: get a deduction from their state and local taxes in

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Speaker 4: high tax states.

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Speaker 5: So those are typically blue states.

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Speaker 3: Right, So let's let's say you live in New Jersey

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Speaker 3: and you pay, you know, seventy five thousand dollars a

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01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 3: year in state and local taxes before Trump's reform back

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. You could take that seventy five thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars that you gave to the state and the local

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Speaker 3: government and count it basically towards your federal tax obligation.

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Speaker 3: And so obviously, in order to pay that amount of

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Speaker 3: money in state and local taxes, you have to make

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Speaker 3: an awful lot of money.

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Speaker 6: So it applies to like the one percent, like the

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Speaker 6: very top.

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Speaker 3: As you get lower, then it starts hitting more people

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Speaker 3: top two percent, three percent, ten percent. Right now, the

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Speaker 3: cap is is it thirty or is it ten? No, ten,

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's ten.

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Speaker 5: But in the bill it's thirty, which is a tripling.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you can get if anything over ten thousand

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01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 3: that you pay to the state and local government, you

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,919
Speaker 3: can't write that off of your federal taxes.

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Speaker 6: So what Republicans were arguing.

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Speaker 3: Is that that would push these blue states and these

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Speaker 3: towns to reduce their taxes because they'd be pressured by

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Speaker 3: their constituents.

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Speaker 6: Yep, that hasn't really happened.

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: So anyway, So that now they're just trying, they're trying

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Speaker 3: to go back and get a higher exception.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they shouldn't even be getting this tripling of it,

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Speaker 4: but they have the audacity. There was some reporting from

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Speaker 4: like hell people last night that they had to blow

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01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 4: up with Nicole Malliatacas of New York, who has basically

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01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 4: said she's okay with the tripling the thirty thousand dollars.

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01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 4: She said that she's okay with that. That was a

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Speaker 4: compromise number that Johnson landed on.

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Speaker 3: Anywhere, it's a huge issue in a lot of these

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Speaker 3: congressions discs. It's a huge issue because they'll get thrown out.

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Speaker 3: It's thousands of dollars per wealthy household. And people are

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Speaker 3: going to be mad at me when I say wealthy because,

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Speaker 3: like you know, in a lot of these cost areas, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: families making four hundred thousand dollars a year are like,

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Speaker 3: they don't feel wealthy. Families who make fifty thousand dollars

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01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 3: a year are like, fu, you make ten times what.

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Speaker 5: I do exactly.

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Speaker 4: And when you hit a thirty thousand dollars deduction, we're

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Speaker 4: not just talking about the people making four hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to.

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Speaker 4: If you're unhappy with a thirty thousand dollars deduction, you're

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Speaker 4: doing really good. Yeah, you're not middle class at that point,

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Speaker 4: no matter how expensive it is to live in these

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Speaker 4: high tax states. So Nicole Malatakish's okay with the tripling

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01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 4: was prevented from entering a meeting by the people who

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Speaker 4: want that to go higher to forty thousand dollars because

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Speaker 4: they said, quote unquote, she's against us. They didn't want

1515
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 4: her to go into the meeting with Mike Johnson. So

1516
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,839
Speaker 4: I confirm that with a source. And that's how brutal

1517
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 4: that this is getting just over the issue of salt.

1518
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,839
Speaker 4: We're not even getting to the stuff about the Baby

1519
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 4: Investment Fund or Medicaid quote unquote reforms which we will

1520
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 4: be framed as cuts because in some cases they absolutely

1521
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 4: will beat cuts. They won't just be reforms, they will

1522
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 4: absolutely be cuts. And Josh Hawley recognizes that in substance

1523
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 4: and in style, that that's sort of a disaster for MAGA. Now,

1524
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,440
Speaker 4: Trump was asked questions about this on Air Force One.

1525
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 5: Here's D seven.

1526
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 4: This is a clip of Trump talking about the American

1527
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 4: healthcare system.

1528
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 9: I would fight so hard to get a half a

1529
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 9: point and I actually had it down half a point

1530
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 9: for one year. And I was so proud of myself

1531
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 9: because that never happened before. It was always going up.

1532
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 9: Drugs only went in one direction, that's up. And now

1533
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 9: after studying the industry, it's a very complex industry, but

1534
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 9: I figured it out, and I said, it's not going

1535
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 9: to happen. But the Democrats fought very hard to keep

1536
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 9: the prices of drugs very, very high. They really are

1537
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 9: to blame for this because they should have done something

1538
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 9: about it.

1539
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 4: Okay, So he says it's a very complex, complex industry,

1540
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 4: but he thinks he's figured it out.

1541
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: D eight.

1542
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: This is him talking about zempic. And this is a

1543
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 4: little off topic, Ryan, but delightful and funny enough that

1544
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 4: we had to roll it.

1545
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 9: A friend of mine who's slightly overweight, to put it mildly,

1546
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 9: went to a drug store in London and he was

1547
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 9: able to get one of the fat shots. I caught

1548
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 9: the fat shots, So Janet, you lose weight.

1549
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 3: A lot of people laugh at that.

1550
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 8: Some people got offended by I don't get offended by an.

1551
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 9: I'm just glad I didn't use his name. He's actually

1552
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 9: a very rich guys are very successful, and he's glad he.

1553
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 8: Didn't use his name.

1554
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 9: No, he's very happy. He knows exactly who I was

1555
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 9: talking about. He called, he said that was interesting. He

1556
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 9: said he was very concerned that I might use his name.

1557
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 8: It might slip.

1558
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 9: Now he doesn't have to worry. But he went to

1559
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 9: London and he bought.

1560
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 8: This uh ozempic will go over you one of those.

1561
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, I'm not sure which one, but he bought

1562
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 9: he bought one of them, maybe a zeppich.

1563
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 4: Okay, we had to include it the serious it's relevant.

1564
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: It's relevant to the point, right, Yeah, I know that

1565
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,959
Speaker 3: people oversees pay a lot less for pharmat suiticles, then

1566
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 3: we pay here. Trump's The framework of Trump's idea is solid,

1567
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: basically saying to a drug company, if you sell something

1568
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 3: for X price in another country, you have to sell

1569
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: it for that that low price here in the United States.

1570
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 3: Where he falls on his face is that you can't

1571
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 3: do this by executive order. Drug companies have lawyers. They'll

1572
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 3: take it to court, they will win. But you can

1573
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 3: do it through Congress. Rocanna and Bernie Sanders have offered

1574
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,959
Speaker 3: to introduce his idea as legislation.

1575
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 5: They can put it in this bill.

1576
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 3: By the way, he and you save a bunch of

1577
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 3: money then through Medicare and Medicaid, then you don't do

1578
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 3: the cuts. He's lying when he says that Democrats did

1579
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 3: everything they could to keep drug prices high. For the

1580
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 3: first time in decades, Democrats during the Biden there were

1581
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 3: actually taking on big pharma in a serious way. They

1582
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: could have done a lot more. I would have liked

1583
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: to see him do a lot more, but pharma caught

1584
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 3: a bunch of l's and so keep that momentum going.

1585
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: Or is Trump going to do what he did in

1586
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: the first time, just talk a big game, write some

1587
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 3: executive orders, and then watch them get ripped up by

1588
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 3: the courts and then move on and just tell tell

1589
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: everyone that you uh, you know, did wonderful things on

1590
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 3: drug pricing, which is the kind of lie that doesn't

1591
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 3: land with your base because they buy drugs.

1592
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 6: They know it, Like you can't. You can lie about

1593
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 6: some things.

1594
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 3: You can't lie about what it costs to fill your

1595
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 3: prescriptions because every single day that you're going to the

1596
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 3: drug store, you know. So like, you know, we'll be

1597
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: nice to Trump and say we'll see if he actually

1598
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: takes it to Congress. What do you think, Willie? No,

1599
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 3: never mind, No, I don't think so well.

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01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 4: I think part of it is that they are continuously

1601
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 4: trying to make this point about executive power, so.

1602
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 3: Well this is this will like make the opposite point

1603
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 3: because it's girls to be like, no, I can't do this,

1604
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 3: you need a law.

1605
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 6: And guess what, we have a whole building.

1606
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: It's this beautiful domed building is right down the street

1607
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 3: and strolled by Republicans on both sides of it, and

1608
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 3: there's only two sides so boomed, and you've got a

1609
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: bunch of Democrats saying that they're happy to do it,

1610
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 3: so just do it well, you said you're not scared

1611
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 3: to farm a lobbyist, Just go do it.

1612
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 4: The problem is a lot of the people have to

1613
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 4: vote on the bill, are so let's tie.

1614
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 5: On all this.

1615
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 3: He's final to hang out with al Qaeda, but drug

1616
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: lobbyists is.

1617
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 4: Not going to take them take that ten million dollar

1618
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 4: bounty off Golani's head.

1619
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so anyway, and.

1620
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 6: We didn't make this point in the Seria block. He's

1621
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 6: from the goal on Heights.

1622
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 3: His name is gnom to gare Is is like a

1623
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: derivative of that money. And in his deal with Trump,

1624
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 3: he's just basically handing the goal on heights Israel.

1625
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 6: What an arc.

1626
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 5: Yes, it is true.

1627
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 3: The people who said that the CIA was backing this

1628
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 3: thing whole time are undefeated so far.

1629
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, Trump posted on true Social when I return from

1630
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 4: the Middle East, where great things will happen for America,

1631
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 4: we will work together on any and all outstanding issues,

1632
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 4: but there shouldn't be many. The bill is all caps great,

1633
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 4: We'll have no alternative.

1634
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 5: We must win.

1635
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 4: But now with the tremendous drug and pharmaceutical cuts plus

1636
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 4: massive incoming tariff money, our great, big, beautiful bill just

1637
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 4: got much bigger and better. So he's making the direct

1638
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 4: connection between what we were just talking about, the drug

1639
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 4: in and pharmaceutical cuts, the planned drugon pharmaceutical cuts, and

1640
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 4: the bill itself, and the tariff war. The gold nature

1641
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 4: of America will soon be upon us. Make America great again.

1642
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 4: So all that is to say, where Donald Trump is

1643
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 4: trying to say the bill is great, Chip Roy is

1644
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 4: already signaling that he is conditioning and is conditioning himself,

1645
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 4: is conditioning his constituents in Texas and other budget hawks

1646
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 4: to be immune to Trump Like efforts to say this

1647
01:26:58,240 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 4: is a great bill, we need.

1648
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 5: To pass it no matter what.

1649
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 4: In the Tip Roy post, he's talking about how some

1650
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 4: of these cuts are fantastic. Tax part portion of the

1651
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 4: bilit he sees as excellent, but the bill is still

1652
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 4: irresponsible enough in terms of spending that he doesn't want

1653
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 4: to get behind it. And by the way, if you

1654
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 4: are a Chip Roy and you look at the fact

1655
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 4: that Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency,

1656
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 4: you have every right to be frustrated with a bill

1657
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 4: that jams in some of these priorities without making what

1658
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 4: you see as important generational cuts. Doge is what at

1659
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty billion allegedly in cuts. So it's

1660
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,839
Speaker 4: not making the two trillion or one trillion in cuts

1661
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 4: that they saw as something that would be a booster

1662
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 4: to this tax bill and a booster to the trade

1663
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 4: war in general, because you wouldn't necessarily need as much

1664
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 4: revenue coming in from reciprocal tariffs whatever else. So this

1665
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 4: is a huge, huge mess for Republicans. Everyone predicted that

1666
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 4: it would be. It's not a surprise to Mike Johnson

1667
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 4: or not, like they're caught off guard by what a

1668
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 4: mess this is actually sort of untangling this not for

1669
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 4: them in the next six weeks with such thin with

1670
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 4: such than margins in Congress, needing to get a Chip

1671
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 4: roy on board, Thomas Massey on board, and then the

1672
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 4: moderate Salt people on board, then needing to get a

1673
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 4: Ron Johnson on the same page as a Josh Hawley.

1674
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 4: Obviously the stakes are really high for them, But holy smokes, Ryan,

1675
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 4: this is going to be an incredible roller coaster, And

1676
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 4: as obvious as it sounds that they'll end up getting

1677
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 4: something done, I'm not sure that that's even the case.

1678
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 4: I think this is going to be a really bitter, bitter.

1679
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 3: Fight, or maybe they'll just continue the tax cuts as

1680
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 3: they are and not through the rest of it. But

1681
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 3: before we leave, before we leave, let's just put up

1682
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 3: D four one more time, just because just to underline

1683
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: is how completely crazy this is. This was D four

1684
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 3: where they say, in general, accept as provided in paragraph too,

1685
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 3: no state or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law

1686
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:03,759
Speaker 3: or regulation regulating AIDS, AI systems or automated decision systems

1687
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 3: during the ten year period beginning on the date of

1688
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 3: the enactment of this Act. That's just completely insane.

1689
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 5: Yep, it is.

1690
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 3: And you know that people say, if you want to

1691
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 3: know who your ruler is, ask who you're not allowed

1692
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 3: to criticize.

1693
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 6: If you want to know who your ruler is, ask

1694
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 6: who you're not allowed to regulate.

1695
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this is the type of thing that they

1696
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 4: drop into the bills. I think the same thing with

1697
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 4: the nonprofit They drop into these bills when the sausage

1698
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 4: is being made to then negotiate down from a crazy position.

1699
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 3: Well, let's hope. Yeah.

1700
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, as long as people flag it and catch

1701
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 4: this stuff, I guess four hundred pages isn't that long

1702
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,839
Speaker 4: of a bill all things consider, And yeah.

1703
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Fight, I'm narrow wide margins.

1704
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 5: We'll see where it goes.

1705
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 4: Right, Let's move on to the roiling controversy over Jake

1706
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Tapper and Alex Thompson's forthcoming book. It's not even out yet,

1707
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 4: excerpts are dropping original sin that details this cover up

1708
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 4: over Joe Biden's health of the course of the last.

1709
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 5: Couple of years.

1710
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:10,839
Speaker 4: It is going crazy, like in political circles and dem circles.

1711
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 4: Just on the way here, I was listening to David

1712
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 4: Axelrod being questioned about it on NPR and still trying

1713
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 4: to you know, he's sort of blaming the Biden family

1714
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 4: and the people around Biden, which is interesting for David Axlrod, who,

1715
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 4: by the way, was one of the earlier voices expressing

1716
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 4: some concern. I think it was back in twenty twenty two.

1717
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 4: Axlrod was expressing some concern about it, which.

1718
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 6: Is why he never liked Biden.

1719
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 5: Never liked Biden.

1720
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 4: I think this is some of the problems that we're

1721
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 4: going to get into with Tappers. I guess I would

1722
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 4: call it revision this history. Maybe Ryan I will talk

1723
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 4: a bit about that. Here's a clip of Tapper on

1724
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 4: his own network tasing one of the critical details in

1725
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 4: the book, which is that biden staffers considered putting him

1726
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 4: in a wheelchair while he was president, and.

1727
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,959
Speaker 15: An excerpt published by Axios that AIDS were privately discussing

1728
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 15: putting President Biden in a wheelchair for his second term

1729
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 15: because of his physical deterioration. Sources telling Me and Alex

1730
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 15: Thompson to Biden's team thought it was, of course politically

1731
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 15: untenable to have the president in a wheelchair during his

1732
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 15: reelection bid. They took steps to try to protect him

1733
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 15: in the images of his halting gait, including finding shorter

1734
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 15: walking paths, adding handrails to steps, using a smaller staircase

1735
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 15: to board air First one. AIDS would also accompany Biden

1736
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 15: across the White House lawn to Marine one or from

1737
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 15: Marine one, not only to disguise what was going on,

1738
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 15: but in case he felt President Biden's doctor, a White

1739
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 15: House physician, Kevin O'Connor, warned behind the scenes that if

1740
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 15: Biden had one more serious fall, he might need to

1741
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 15: be in a wheelchair for his recovery. Doctor O'Connor had

1742
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 15: long worried about the toll the job had taken on

1743
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 15: Biden's health, and joked behind the scenes that Biden's staff

1744
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 15: members were trying to kill him while he was trying

1745
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 15: to keep him alive.

1746
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 4: The New Yorker published a very long excerpt of the

1747
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 4: book yesterday day that included some quotes from David Ploff,

1748
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 4: George Clooney, and Jon Favreau. And if we start with Pluff,

1749
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 4: we can put this up. This is E three Ploff

1750
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 4: speaking actually Ryan of Biden, of Obama advisors that really

1751
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 4: never got on the Biden train, at least maybe.

1752
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 5: Behind closed doors at the time.

1753
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 4: Ploff says in this book quote, we got so screwed

1754
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 4: by Biden as a party and just said it was

1755
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 4: He's just going off basically on how Biden was. Would

1756
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 4: you say, I think the vacation is selfishly runs for

1757
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 4: president and Pluff seems to have always been irked by it.

1758
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 4: But it seems also like we're getting most of this

1759
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 4: from a book being published a year after the president.

1760
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of these Obama boys really never liked Biden.

1761
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, he says, he totally fucked us and it's all Biden.

1762
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they didn't like him from the very beginning,

1763
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 3: Like they picked it was either him or Evan By,

1764
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,800
Speaker 3: if you remember, because they wanted to.

1765
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 4: Considered Joe Lieberman at one point.

1766
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 5: No, that was McCain, That was right.

1767
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 3: Yes, they wanted a white right leaning, like a white

1768
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 3: conservative working who would appeal to working class whites in

1769
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight who were afraid of having a

1770
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 3: black president. Like that was the rationale. And so it

1771
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 3: was a there was it was a DEI pick. It

1772
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 3: was a diversity pick. They only considered white men. This

1773
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 3: is like, nobody would dispute any of this. And because

1774
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 3: of I guess the caliber of the candidates, it was

1775
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 3: Dad like Biden and by and they went with went

1776
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 3: with Biden, and they then made it very difficult for

1777
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 3: him to run in twenty sixteen, such that he did

1778
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 3: not end up pulling the trigger. I think they they

1779
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 3: made so many interesting mistakes along the way the Democratic Party,

1780
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 3: just tactical ones like by Biden beats Trump in twenty sixteen,

1781
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 3: I think because there's just the Biden, the onion guy

1782
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 3: who like you know, likes to like wash his car

1783
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,839
Speaker 3: in the White House driveway. Yeah, like that guy peels

1784
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 3: enough working class votes away from Trump that Trump doesn't

1785
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 3: win that fluke twenty sixteen because Trump lost by three

1786
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: million votes to Hillary Clinton. Oh, Biden is also he

1787
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 3: won this fluke, people like Obama would have crushed. This

1788
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 3: is what's crazy about our politics. Obama would have annihilated Trump,

1789
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 3: like Obama would probably still be president if it weren't

1790
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 3: for term limits, which is amazing, like all of this

1791
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 3: political chaos we've had because because you know, Obama can't

1792
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 3: run for reelection. I'm not an Obama fan. I'm just

1793
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 3: saying objectively speaking, like he would have won. I think

1794
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 3: Biden would anyway. So they didn't want him to run

1795
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen. They did not rally around him in

1796
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 3: twenty twenty until it was either him or Burney, and

1797
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 3: then they're looking like, well, we definitely don't want Erney,

1798
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 3: so we might as well in that case, again, tactical

1799
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 3: decision Democrats are probably much better off if Trump wins

1800
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 3: reelection in twenty twenty and then he has to be

1801
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 3: the one that handles all of COVID and he doesn't

1802
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 3: have four years to stew. Obviously, he never would have

1803
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 3: done January sixth because he would have won, so he

1804
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 3: didn't have to do it. And then he's and then

1805
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 3: he's out. He's probably unpopular because of the way hales

1806
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 3: COVID or whatever or he's popular whatever, but he can't

1807
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 3: run again in twenty twenty four. And now we have

1808
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 3: I don't know who knows we have now we don't

1809
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 3: have this, well, we don't democrats would like. It's hard

1810
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 3: to imagine a world where Democrats are worse off than

1811
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 3: they are today.

1812
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 4: Let's look at the Clooney quote as well. So this

1813
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 4: is E four and this is all again from the

1814
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 4: big splashy New Yorker publication of an excerpt from the

1815
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 4: book Yesterday. Coloney says, it was not okay of that

1816
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 4: big fundraiser that became it's now a sort of an

1817
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,919
Speaker 4: infamous chapter in the twenty twenty four cycle. Even publicly

1818
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 4: could see something was wrong with Joe Biden. I believe

1819
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 4: there was some quote unquote cheap fake coverage afterwards where

1820
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 4: the media was criticizing the right for sort of ginting

1821
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 4: up a conspiracy theory with you know, clipped clips that

1822
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 4: were selectively edited.

1823
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:16,480
Speaker 5: Allegedly.

1824
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 4: Coloney goes on to say, that thing, the moment where

1825
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 4: you recognize someone you know, especially famous person who's doing

1826
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 4: a fucking fundraiser for you, it was delayed, it was uncomfortable.

1827
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 4: And this is actually according to a Hollywood VIP, not

1828
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 4: Clooney himself, and an aid had to go into Joe

1829
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 4: Biden and say George Clooney, and then Biden goes, oh, yeah,

1830
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 4: hi George. And the quote from the book is quote

1831
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:39,919
Speaker 4: Clooney was shaken to his court. The president had recognized

1832
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 4: him a man he had known for years. So it

1833
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 4: sounds like what happened is Joe Biden is introduced and said, Hey,

1834
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 4: this is George And because you don't want to say Clooney,

1835
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 4: by the way, because that makes you look you know, hey,

1836
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 4: mister president, we have George here. He's holding this massive

1837
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 4: fundraiser for you. And Biden is sort of like, hey,

1838
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,560
Speaker 4: how are you in a way that doesn't reflect a

1839
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 4: like friendship that he's had for I guess a couple

1840
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 4: of decades with Biden, and Biden and Clooney have done

1841
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 4: some work together over the years.

1842
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 5: Apparently I was just learning that.

1843
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 4: But then he gets a sort of nudge, being like

1844
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 4: it's George Clooney and is like startled into recognition that

1845
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 4: you actually know this person. And this is a man

1846
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 4: who is not a candidate for president of the United States.

1847
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 4: He is the sitting president of the United States.

1848
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 5: Let's put E five.

1849
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 6: In July twenty twenty four. George Clooney does his gut.

1850
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, I think that's an

1851
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 4: important point. That is July twenty twenty four.

1852
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 3: So this is he writes his New York Times guest, Essay,

1853
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 3: I love Joe Biden, but we need a new nominee, George.

1854
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 5: Clooney, because George Clooney behind just witnessed this.

1855
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 3: Yes, so good for George Clooney to be like, he

1856
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 3: saw something in private and he immediately shared it with

1857
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 3: the public.

1858
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 5: That was the straw that broke the camel's back.

1859
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,799
Speaker 3: But imagine that idea, sharing sharing what you know privately

1860
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 3: with the public.

1861
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 6: But he read democracy well.

1862
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 4: So sure, but he didn't do it until after the debate,

1863
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,839
Speaker 4: So he didn't come out and say.

1864
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 3: That until Yeah, when was that event?

1865
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 4: That event I believe was a couple of weeks before

1866
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 4: the debate. So it's yeah, the LA fundraiser. I'm going

1867
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 4: to make sure that I'm right on that right now.

1868
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 4: But we can also put E five on the screen.

1869
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 4: This is John Favreau quote. This is obviously people know

1870
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 4: Favreau is the host of Potsa of America.

1871
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 5: This is from the book.

1872
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 4: This is how they describe it, with Favreau obviously being

1873
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 4: the source. That night. To Favreau, Biden seemed to have

1874
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 4: aged fifty years in sixteen months. This is when he

1875
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 4: met up with Biden. He was incoherent. His stories were

1876
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 4: meandering and confusing. Something about I Rock, what exactly was

1877
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 4: the point of this? He told one story twice. After

1878
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 4: the President left the group, Favreau asked the staffer about

1879
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 4: his demeanor. Oh no, oh, no, big deal. The staffer said,

1880
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 4: the president must have been tired. It was nighttime at

1881
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 4: the end of a long week. This is again the

1882
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 4: sitting president of the United States. It was nighttime at

1883
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 4: the end of a long week. And I think Dave

1884
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 4: Wigel made a really good point. He says, the Favreau anecdote,

1885
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 4: which shows a sharp Biden in twenty twenty two and

1886
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 4: a lost Biden in twenty twenty four, is the emerging

1887
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 4: dem conventional wisdom. Basically that he started fading badly after

1888
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 4: the midterms, not unrelated.

1889
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 5: To Hunter's trouble.

1890
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 4: And I just want to say I agree that this

1891
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 4: is the emerging dem conventional wisdom. It feels like a

1892
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:12,560
Speaker 4: concerted effort to rewrite history, and it is utter bullshit.

1893
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 5: You go back to twenty nineteen.

1894
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 4: Nate Silver back in twenty nineteen, I remember story about

1895
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 4: this yesterday, so I was peeling back all of this coverage.

1896
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,680
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen, Nate Silver said he thought Biden's age was

1897
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 4: probably the biggest handicap in his candidacy, and.

1898
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 3: Astro said that, yes, yeah, well.

1899
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 4: This is the Democratic candidates in twenty twenty were dancing

1900
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 4: around it, sort of like people criticized Bernie Sanders for

1901
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 4: dancing around Hillary Clinton's various liabilities in twenty sixteen. Nobody

1902
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 4: would just come out and say it back then, but

1903
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 4: everyone knew that it was a huge vulnerability for Biden

1904
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 4: because he was constantly messing up. I think at one

1905
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 4: point on the twenty twenty campaign trail he said he

1906
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 4: was proud to be running for United States Senate. I mean,

1907
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 4: he had some real eye popping gaffes that were obviously

1908
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 4: I think age related. And it's subjective, but obviously age related.

1909
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 4: August twenty nineteen quote, this is in the hill. Biden

1910
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 4: has a tendency to make blenders late in the day.

1911
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 4: His allies say, his allies, you know it. This was

1912
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 4: Jamal Bowie in twenty this twenty nineteen, did I hallucinate

1913
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 4: last night because the Biden I saw was meandering and

1914
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 4: visibly tired by the end of a debate. He was

1915
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 4: acting weird back of.

1916
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 3: That day, just looking at September twenty ninth, my article

1917
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 3: about his debate performance calls him quote staggeringly incoherent. YEP,

1918
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 3: this is twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen.

1919
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 4: And to be clear, that June fifteenth fundraiser we were

1920
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,799
Speaker 4: just talking about that is before the debate. And Clooney

1921
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 4: writes his New York Times upbed after the debate, which

1922
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 4: I do.

1923
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 5: Think is just like, is cowardly.

1924
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 4: Maybe people at the time thought that they were better

1925
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 4: off expressing this through private channels. There's perhaps an argument

1926
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 4: to be made for that, but I think that argument

1927
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,879
Speaker 4: is much more reasonable if you're just talking about a candidate.

1928
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 4: You're not talking about the sitting president of the United

1929
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 4: States who is running for reelection. So there's all kinds

1930
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 4: of frustrating stuff going on here. This is Chuck Schumer

1931
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 4: e six. Chuck Schumer is now and a lot of

1932
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 4: prominent Democrats are going to continue to get questions about it.

1933
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,600
Speaker 4: And just before we tee this up. Casey Hunt is

1934
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 4: talking to Chuck Schumer on CNN here, and I love

1935
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 4: that she is now suddenly playing the role of a

1936
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 4: very aggressive journalist.

1937
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 5: And I love that Jake Tapper is doing the same thing.

1938
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 4: And Alex Thompson posted some clips of himself and Tapper

1939
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 4: asking critical questions about Biden's age and his mental capacity

1940
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 4: in the months and maybe the last couple of years

1941
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Speaker 4: roughly of the Biden presidency, when to be fair to

1942
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Speaker 4: people like John Favreau, it did seem to be getting

1943
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Speaker 4: like precipitously worse, but it.

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Speaker 5: Started from a low point already.

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Speaker 4: All that is to say, yeah, I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: this is one of those times where it's suddenly really

1947
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Speaker 4: easy because Biden is out of power, his family is

1948
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 4: out of power, to lean into this narrative and bolster

1949
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Speaker 4: your sort of tough bipartisan journalistic bona fides. But to me,

1950
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Speaker 4: it just means so so little, given that there was

1951
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Speaker 4: a significant twenty fifth Amendment conversation to be had. For

1952
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Speaker 4: I would say, like literally every year of the Biden presidency,

1953
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Speaker 4: day and day out, this is sitting president of United States,

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Speaker 4: Nobody talked about it.

1955
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Speaker 5: Until he was back on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: There was a freaking primary that could have been dramatically different.

1957
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Speaker 4: They could have actually been a competitive Democratic primary if

1958
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Speaker 4: the media was asking DNC leaders, was asking Chuck Schumer

1959
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Speaker 4: serious questions about this all of the time, not just

1960
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Speaker 4: every once in a while. So here's Casey Hunt talking

1961
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Speaker 4: to Chuck Schumer. Yesterday.

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Speaker 16: You sat next to Biden in the Oval office February

1963
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Speaker 16: twenty seventh, twenty twenty four, just a handful of months

1964
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Speaker 16: before the president took that debate stage, and it was

1965
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Speaker 16: later reported that you and other Democratic leaders were talking

1966
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Speaker 16: before the debate about having a plan, you and Hakim Jeffries,

1967
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Speaker 16: Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama. I understand you later denied that

1968
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Speaker 16: that ever happened, but I am curious. I'm interested to

1969
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Speaker 16: know whether the man that you saw us sitting there

1970
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Speaker 16: on that couch on that day you were in there,

1971
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Speaker 16: you saw him up close and personal, did you really

1972
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Speaker 16: not have any idea that he was not fit to

1973
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Speaker 16: serve a second term?

1974
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Speaker 10: Casey, we're looking forward. We have the largest medicaid cut

1975
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Speaker 10: in front of us, We have the cult federal government.

1976
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Speaker 16: Because you lost a presidential election, and is that not

1977
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 16: Joe Biden's responsibility for deciding to run again.

1978
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Speaker 10: We're looking forward.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

1980
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Speaker 10: That's it.

1981
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Speaker 4: Okay, Ryan, here's Jake Tapper in twenty twenty three. You're

1982
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Speaker 4: talking to Franklin four, who had just written that book

1983
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 4: about Joe Biden. Ford claimed that Biden would pass a

1984
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 4: quote mental acuity test, and Tapper goes, right, he's sharp mentally.

1985
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 4: I think the question is physical, right. More so this

1986
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Speaker 4: is twenty twenty three, he said of In twenty twenty four,

1987
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Speaker 4: he said of Biden's memory while talking to Adam shiff

1988
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Speaker 4: it doesn't seem great.

1989
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Speaker 5: It's not horrible.

1990
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Speaker 4: He does have issues here and there. It's not disqualifying,

1991
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Speaker 4: but he does have some memory issues. It's just again

1992
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Speaker 4: he's asking shifts, some tough questions in that interview, but

1993
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 4: had to couch it in that way because people were

1994
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 4: terrified of the White House. Their access was being threatened,

1995
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 4: significantly being threatened.

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Speaker 5: The Wall Street Journal.

1997
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Speaker 4: Published a piece about that in what June of twenty

1998
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Speaker 4: twenty four, and it's just crazy. We look back on

1999
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 4: that piece as an exception. Should have been again coverage

2000
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 4: about that every single day, the commander in chief, guy

2001
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 4: with the nuclear codes declining every day in front of us,

2002
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 4: and I'm almost sympathetic to the point Chuck Schumer makes

2003
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 4: now saying we're moving forward, casey, because guess what, it's

2004
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 4: easy for the media to litigate this now and to

2005
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 4: look tough. And I get why they're covering it now

2006
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 4: because they can look tough. They can look like they're

2007
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 4: turning the screws to Democrats. And it's still important. But

2008
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, at this point, we now have Donald

2009
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 4: Trump as president. The world is like changing rapidly every

2010
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 4: single day. It's not the stasis of the Biden years anymore.

2011
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, in the Democrats defense, they their leadership,

2012
01:44:54,880 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 3: Pelosi in particular, moves faster than the media. This was

2013
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 3: not a that's true like Biden's aids and allies remaining

2014
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 3: ones will say this was a media driven thing or

2015
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 3: there was this relentless media push for weeks. No, that's

2016
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Speaker 3: not that's not right. It was a Pelosi driven thing.

2017
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Speaker 3: And because Pelosi kept driving it, then the news media

2018
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 3: kept covering it. But the media followed Pelosi and everything

2019
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,799
Speaker 3: kind of followed the debate where he had a medical

2020
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 3: episode in front of the entire world. Yep, yep.

2021
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 5: No, it's just really frustrating.

2022
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 4: The two pieces of revisionist history, one that this somehow

2023
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 4: started in twenty twenty two, and two that there were

2024
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 4: corners of the media that were really tough on this

2025
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 4: the entire time, you know, Tapper said yesterday and CNN,

2026
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 4: he was asked by someone on the network who was

2027
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 4: giving an interview about the book, what was you know,

2028
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 4: why did why was all of this kept from the press?

2029
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 5: Basically? And his answer was really interesting.

2030
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Speaker 4: The person who was talking to him was like, why

2031
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 4: didn't we hear more about this in the media, And

2032
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 4: Tapper says, the bottom line is that the White House

2033
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 4: was lying not only to the press, not only to

2034
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 4: the public, but they were lying to their own cabinet.

2035
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Speaker 4: So he also says a lot of our sources wouldn't

2036
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Speaker 4: talk to us until after the election.

2037
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's totally true.

2038
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Speaker 4: But you could see it in public, yes, like everyone

2039
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 4: saw it, and you were running stories about cheap fakes.

2040
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 4: Like again, there were bullshit videos circulating by Republicans, absolutely,

2041
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 4: but to blow it up into a big narrative is

2042
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 4: different than just covering the bullshit videos that were being

2043
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 4: selectively edited. They blew it up into a big thing,

2044
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,719
Speaker 4: literally taking the White House's press points when they knew

2045
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 4: because they were hearing off the record that the White

2046
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 4: House was lying. Yeah, it's ridiculous, and I don't think

2047
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 4: anybody's falling for it.

2048
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 3: No, And if Breaking Points was the dominant news coverage

2049
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 3: of the world, nobody would have been surprised at all.

2050
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Speaker 6: We were covering it regularly.

2051
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Speaker 4: Again, it's one of those weird moments when the media's

2052
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 4: relationship with the Democratic Party's establishment actually hurts Democrats because

2053
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 4: they if there had been good coverage of this, if

2054
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 4: the press wasn't so scared of the White House and

2055
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 4: the DNC and Pelosi world, they would have at the

2056
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 4: time they would have been covering the story much differently,

2057
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Speaker 4: and there probably would have been a robust Democratic primary.

2058
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:19,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, there should have been.

2059
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 4: There would have been a lot more pressure on Democrats

2060
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 4: to hold a serious primary process and to not mess

2061
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 4: with it so and for people to not just get

2062
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 4: in line, yeah and bind it. Do a damn debate.

2063
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Speaker 4: He wouldn't even do a debate despite all of this.

2064
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Speaker 4: All right, let's move on to the Diddy trial, which

2065
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 4: was incredibly as you could imagine grim yesterday. Cassie Ventura

2066
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 4: victim and we can say, we don't even have to

2067
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Speaker 4: say alleged victim at this point because we have the videotape.

2068
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Speaker 4: More of the videotape from the Intercontinental in Los Angeles

2069
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 4: has come out over the course of this trial. Let's

2070
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Speaker 4: roll this recap of day two. So the trial so

2071
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 4: it starts on Monday. This is day two being recapped

2072
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,879
Speaker 4: on Fox News yesterday.

2073
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Speaker 6: F one.

2074
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Speaker 17: Cassie Ventura, who was still on the stand, has testified

2075
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Speaker 17: that she was a fan before meeting Sean Ditty Combs,

2076
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:07,679
Speaker 17: describing him.

2077
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 4: As larger than life.

2078
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Speaker 17: She says when they were finally introduced, he began to

2079
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 17: control her life and every aspect of it. So Ventura,

2080
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 17: who was now married with kids and due to give

2081
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 17: birth soon, testified she was nineteen and there was a

2082
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 17: seventeen year age gap when she met Ditty and signed

2083
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,440
Speaker 17: with his record label. She said their relationship turned sexual

2084
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 17: when she was twenty one. The pair was in a

2085
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 17: relationship for a decade.

2086
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 4: She says.

2087
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Speaker 17: At first it was private because Ditty was publicly with

2088
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,639
Speaker 17: someone else and worried about optics. She says the rapper

2089
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 17: introduced her to freakoffs, which are at the center of

2090
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 17: the case. According to prosecutors, who described them as drug

2091
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 17: fueled sex performances with male escorts that Ditty coerced women

2092
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 17: into having while he watched. Cassie testified that freakoffs became

2093
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 17: something she did not want to do.

2094
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 4: But felt like she had to to keep him happy.

2095
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 17: She told jurors one of these encounters was happening when

2096
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 17: Combs was caught on camera assaulting her in this disturbing

2097
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 17: twenty sixteen Los Angeles hotel surveillance video obtained exclusively and

2098
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:16,479
Speaker 17: released by CNN last year. Did He apologized in a

2099
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 17: since deleted Instagram post. She also said did He had

2100
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 17: mood swings and was often violent towards her, leaving physical marks,

2101
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 17: and that instead of music, freakoffs became a job for her.

2102
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Speaker 17: She testified that the longest of these sexual performances lasted

2103
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Speaker 17: four days.

2104
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Speaker 4: So that video of Ditty basically dragging, punching, kicking Cassaventura

2105
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Speaker 4: in the Intercone hallway in twenty sixteen, as we mentioned,

2106
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Speaker 4: there was more of that really one of the things

2107
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 4: that broke this Ditty story wide open when it came

2108
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Speaker 4: out and CNN, I think it was the first to

2109
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Speaker 4: have that video. The man, the security guard Israel Floras

2110
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 4: is testifying. Testimony from him I today included allegedly the

2111
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Speaker 4: claim that Diddy offered him a lot of cash from

2112
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 4: his thumb to his pinky to not tell anybody what

2113
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,839
Speaker 4: he saw. The defense tried to say, he's now including

2114
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Speaker 4: details that he didn't include at the time about how

2115
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 4: Cassie Ventur had a purple eye. Anyone who watches that

2116
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Speaker 4: video can see be very reasonable that she had a

2117
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Speaker 4: mourturple eye. Yeah, she's pregnant by the way, which is

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Speaker 4: you know, makes it extra awful to have to testify

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Speaker 4: about all of this, So, I mean, just completely awful.

2120
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Speaker 4: Mark chuck co It's a former federal prosecutor who's done

2121
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Speaker 4: human trafficking cases, told Rolling Stone yesterday that the prosecutors

2122
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Speaker 4: are doing basically a shock and awe strategy.

2123
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Speaker 5: That's his quote.

2124
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Speaker 4: He says, they're they're trying to dismantle any quote, positive

2125
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Speaker 4: feelings as soon as possible. They really want to create

2126
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 4: an impression about him.

2127
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Speaker 5: Right out of the gate.

2128
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Speaker 4: So you know, he goes on to say the thing

2129
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 4: about videos, you can't really cross examine video, and that's

2130
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 4: the importance of the Intercontinental Security camera footage and also

2131
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 4: the testimony by the way of Israel Floras, the security

2132
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Speaker 4: guard who's called there to help a quote woman in distress,

2133
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Speaker 4: and is now saying actually on the stand that he

2134
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Speaker 4: was bribing. He was being bribed by Ditty to stay quiet.

2135
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Speaker 4: And the reason that detail, I think is really important, Ryan,

2136
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Speaker 4: I mean, there are a million reasons that's really important.

2137
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Speaker 4: But this is a trial not just about Ditty. This

2138
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Speaker 4: is a trial about the massive business empire that popped

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01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 4: up around Ditty that included in all likelihood a whole

2140
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 4: lot of complicity, a whole lot of people knowing over

2141
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Speaker 4: the years what was going on and staying quiet to

2142
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Speaker 4: remain in proximity to power money. And so, just to

2143
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Speaker 4: be clear, he is accused of sex trafficking by forced

2144
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Speaker 4: transportation to engage in prostitution and racketeering conspiracy as part

2145
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 4: of that federal indictment that was originally filed in September

2146
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 4: of last year. He's also on two additional indictment superseding indictment,

2147
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,879
Speaker 4: and is pleading not guilty to absolutely everything and completely

2148
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Speaker 4: denying this. Again, as the former federal prosecutor tells Rolling Stones,

2149
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 4: this is a video. In the case of the twenty

2150
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Speaker 4: sixteen assault on Ventura. So it's just in the context

2151
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Speaker 4: of the actual charges against Tavey Weinstein, and actually this

2152
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Speaker 4: happened with the Bill Cosby case as well. Does look

2153
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Speaker 4: like there were shortcuts taken by federal prosecutors too, because

2154
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Speaker 4: they felt it was almost born of a hubris that

2155
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 4: these guys are obviously horrific in evil and the public

2156
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 4: wants a scalp. But if you take those those shortcuts,

2157
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Speaker 4: you can end up with people getting released against Something

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Speaker 4: that happened with Bill Cosby might happen with Harvey.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I think just.

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Speaker 4: The broader context here around a very high profile case

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Speaker 4: like this is uh to be on the lookout for

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Speaker 4: things like that. It doesn't mean that these people aren't

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Speaker 4: awful criminals. Of course, there's a difference between criminal behavior

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Speaker 4: and deeply unethical, abusive, horrific behavior in some cases, not always,

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Speaker 4: but I think that's something to kind of keep an

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Speaker 4: eye on in this trial because it's it's like those

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Speaker 4: two trials as well.

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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, Harvey one seemed to think, do you

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Speaker 3: think he'll ever get out?

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Speaker 4: It's genuinely a question because there was some stuff that's

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Speaker 4: just it's funny business that you do when you feel

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Speaker 4: really confident about a case. And it's samely with the

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Speaker 4: Bill Cosby thing. So yeah, it's it's not impossible that

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Speaker 4: he gets out, so we'll see.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the backlash of that would be swift.

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Speaker 4: But you know, and I'm not in any way whatsoever, yeah,

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Speaker 4: old and I'm not in any point whatsoever endorsing like

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Speaker 4: the Candice Owen's effort here, but the trial itself is

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Speaker 4: like that. You cannot take shortcuts in these trials because

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Speaker 4: there's this public momentum against a certain character.

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Speaker 3: I have public mood swing, so you got to make

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Speaker 3: sure you're buttoned up right exactly.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen that in the Diddy case so far,

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Speaker 4: but it's just this one is again, it's really easy

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Speaker 4: because there's literally video. It's just easy to see the

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Speaker 4: momentum building and the snowball rolling down the hill. It

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Speaker 4: looks like it's a pretty tight case so far. But

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Speaker 4: that is definitely and Cassie testifying, by the way, for

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Speaker 4: what she's supposed to be on the stand again today,

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Speaker 4: I think she might literally be taking the stand right

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Speaker 4: now while we're taping this. Uh. I mean, that's we're

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Speaker 4: going to be incredibly powerful as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he epic fumble of a billion dollar bag.

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Speaker 4: Seriously by Diddy here, not even like just a fumble,

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Speaker 4: but a you know, decades long criminal enterprise.

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Speaker 3: It is hard to be a billionaire and get held

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Speaker 3: accountable for anything. You have to You have to go

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Speaker 3: pretty far.

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Speaker 4: You sure do, you sure do? All right? Well, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: that does it for us today. We will continue to

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Speaker 4: follow that trial obviously because again it's just in the

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Speaker 4: context of a massive criminal enterprise that involved complicity on

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Speaker 4: many fronts. Important to keep an eye out on. It's

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Speaker 4: a theme actually of the American elite is just you know,

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Speaker 4: wanting to be a seen as an important political player,

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Speaker 4: moral player, charitable person, and then in your own personal

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Speaker 4: life either staying quiet when you witness people doing awful

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Speaker 4: things or doing those awful things yourself. So important trial

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Speaker 4: definitely to continue following, which we will do. Thank you

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Speaker 4: good stuff for the second half. So thank you Breaking

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Speaker 5: Appreciate that as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes we do. And I think I'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: You're here tomorrow with Crystal.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, so Sager is on his paternity leave. More

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Speaker 4: needs to come on on that front, I'm sure, but

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Speaker 4: Ryan and I will be seeing a lot more of

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Speaker 4: us in the weeks to come.

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Speaker 3: Lucky you see you later.