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Speaker 1: Sunday Night, February twenty fifth, The Over Lore, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: What are they telling you about the playoff and what's

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to begin the show with that. Tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about the NCAA imploding in

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Speaker 1: biggest questions around this great country of ours when it

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Speaker 1: I've got FSU in the ACC just little odds and

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Speaker 1: nothing less than the future of college football. Now, before

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Speaker 1: well traveled this week, friends, not for storm Chasing. The

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Speaker 1: It's just gonna happen you need to be following on

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Speaker 1: We're going all over the country. We're gonna sit face

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Speaker 1: But also if you follow it specifically on Instagram, as

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Speaker 1: and here's our endpoint. What's everyone been talking about lately?

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Speaker 1: They've been talking about what's gonna happen with the future

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Speaker 1: They've been talking about expansion. Is it gonna happen again?

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Speaker 1: And it's basically like this right in front of your face.

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Speaker 1: It's not being reported because it's not time for them

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Speaker 1: Manny Diaz left, he went and took the head job

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Speaker 1: at Duke. So who hired. Do you remember Tom Allen,

430
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Speaker 1: former head coach at Indiana. He's now the defensive coordinator.

431
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: They went and got Kansas's offensive coordinator, and so Drew

432
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Speaker 1: Aller kind of learning a new way of doing things.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's hopeful, you know, everybody's fingers are crossed up there

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Speaker 1: that their offense can improve. And statistically it's not gonna

435
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Speaker 1: be that difficult because they were bad last year. Trust me,

436
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Speaker 1: someone who stood on the sideline for the Ohio State

437
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Speaker 1: and Michigan games now where they could not move it

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Speaker 1: to save their lives. Statistically, it's not that difficult to

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Speaker 1: see an uptick in production. But there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of big pieces they have to fill. And that's college football.

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Speaker 1: So you say that about a lot of teams. But

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Speaker 1: I think the stability of the program is not to

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Speaker 1: be questioned. Just that's what God made spring football for.

444
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Speaker 1: As me mom would say, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: positions and holes that have to be filled. Oklahoma, I

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Speaker 1: think is a big mystery team. In twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: They went from six and seven in venables first year

448
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Speaker 1: to ten and three last year. All right, so in

449
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Speaker 1: fantasyland and where progress is linear, you go from six

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Speaker 1: and seven to ten and three. Well, the logical next

451
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Speaker 1: step is the playoff, right, Well, Vegas has their over

452
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Speaker 1: underwent total at seven and a half, so they don't

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Speaker 1: think so why is that? Well, progress is not always linear, firstly. Secondly,

454
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Speaker 1: having the eighth best odds in the SEC this year

455
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Speaker 1: just means it's a very competitive conference that they're joining.

456
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Speaker 1: And number two at offensive line is a huge question

457
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Speaker 1: probably pound for pound among contenders. One of the biggest

458
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Speaker 1: questions in all of college football is Oklahoma's offensive line

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Speaker 1: this coming year. But they're good at quarterback Jackson Arnold.

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Speaker 1: I've actually been in a strange fight on Twitter with

461
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Speaker 1: like five people about how good Jackson Arnold is because

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Speaker 1: they I don't know what the ammunition is like. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't started, which we say about every guy who's a

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Speaker 1: freshman or a sophomore. But be that as it may.

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Speaker 1: We'll see him. We saw him in the bowl game,

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Speaker 1: We'll see him full time this fall. Wide receiver is

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Speaker 1: just like you got to ask yourself. The recruiting and

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Speaker 1: the portaling that they've done, it's been at a very

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Speaker 1: high level. Do you believe in the strength of the

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Speaker 1: program or do you believe that one position group could

471
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Speaker 1: be an achilles heel that ultimately cost them several games

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Speaker 1: this year. That's what makes them a mystery team. Next

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Speaker 1: up Louisville. Louisville. You know there is a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three Louisville out there in college football this upcoming year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's Louisville. But what I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is, you know, this time last year we were

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Speaker 1: telling you look at the schedule and Jeff Brom. We think,

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Speaker 1: for the record, Jeff Brom may be the most underrated

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Speaker 1: major head coach in college football. Just our internals here

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Speaker 1: suggests that. So we think the world of Jeff Brom

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Speaker 1: as a caliber head coach, just the caliber he is Perceptionally,

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Speaker 1: we think he's top fifteen in the country pound for pound,

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Speaker 1: and he's not perceived that way, but we think he is.

484
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Speaker 1: So on one hand, you got a dynamite head coach there,

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, coming off an ACC Championship

486
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Speaker 1: Game appearance ten and four season, Tyler Shutt coming in

487
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. They've really not been able to be healthy

488
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Speaker 1: at various points in his career, So you got to

489
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Speaker 1: count on that they are portaling in massive amounts of

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Speaker 1: guys and all that's just got to gel like, that's

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Speaker 1: the difference in a team. We always use the analogy

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Speaker 1: of a pallette of wood and a stack of bricks

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Speaker 1: and a house. Those are not the same things. You

494
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Speaker 1: got to take the materials and turn them into a house. Well,

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Speaker 1: they got to take all these portal editions and turn

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Speaker 1: them into a team. And unlike last year, they do

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Speaker 1: not have the benefit of the most workable schedule in

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Speaker 1: the world. But I'll tell you this over at FanDuel

499
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Speaker 1: right now, Louisville's over underwent total is eight and a

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Speaker 1: half and I don't I think for some people who

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Speaker 1: don't know how to interpret the totals market you may

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Speaker 1: think that's low. That's a pretty high number because unlike

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Speaker 1: typical fans, especially in preview magazine season, who only think

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Speaker 1: about glass half full best case scenarios, a Vegas over

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Speaker 1: under win total has to take into account worst case

506
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Speaker 1: scenario as well. Also, they have to bake in the

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Speaker 1: fact that you're probably not going to be injury free.

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00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: They don't know where the injuries are coming, but almost

509
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Speaker 1: no team goes through the season. And at the end

510
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: they're starting twenty two looks exactly like the magazine said

511
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Speaker 1: in August, so they have to take all that into account.

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Speaker 1: So that's all baked in, and Louisville still has an

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Speaker 1: over under win total of eight and a half. So

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Speaker 1: it's pretty good mystery team nonetheless, And lastly, how do

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Speaker 1: I not put Colorado on here? Colorado is the definition

516
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Speaker 1: of a mystery team. I mean, Dion Sanders and Colorado

517
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Speaker 1: are the evergreen mystery team. They went four and eight

518
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Speaker 1: last year. They're talking playoff this year, and I'm looking

519
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Speaker 1: and I'm seeing their schedule as they joined the Big

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00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: twelve and it's a nightmare. And at FanDuel they're over

521
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Speaker 1: underwent total is six and a half. There are wards

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Speaker 1: on this team. But at the same time, so much

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Speaker 1: about them was unknown last year. And then they come

524
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Speaker 1: out the gates on fire. I left the word of

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Speaker 1: out of it totally. They come out the gates on fire.

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Speaker 1: Now they faded down the stretch, but I think they

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Speaker 1: still delivered more candidly than a lot of people may expected.

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Speaker 1: Him to Last year, they imported a new offensive line.

529
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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders, one of the best quarterbacks in the country.

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is one of the best football players in

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Speaker 1: the country. What do they have around them is gonna

532
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Speaker 1: be obviously a big question that we followed last year

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Speaker 1: we followed again this year. I oh, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that Jesse my bad. So they got five and a

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Speaker 1: half instead of six and a half. I had six

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Speaker 1: and a half written now man, that would have been

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Speaker 1: used against me on future out of context clips on

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Speaker 1: the internet. So five and a half over or under

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Speaker 1: for those of you in the comment section, I'll leave

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Speaker 1: it at that. Let's move on. I got to take

541
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Speaker 1: a sip from the chalice, you know what I have

542
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Speaker 1: to do. Someone accused me in the live chat earlier

543
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Speaker 1: not go oh. They went to the BHLS of not

544
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Speaker 1: going on air because I was busy putting chapstick on

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Speaker 1: or lip balmb and they were actually right because as

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Speaker 1: I looked at the screen, I was putting lipbomb on.

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Speaker 1: So I felt very seen to whoever you were. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And secondly, I had someone reach out the other day

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Speaker 1: and they told me, now, listen, Josh, you're doing great work,

550
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: right now it's great stuff on the show. It's depressing

551
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: me a little bit, so I gotta walk away for

552
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Speaker 1: like a month. But don't stop because I'm probably in

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Speaker 1: the minority and it's great information. Blah blah blah. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys got to tell me that. In fact, if

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Speaker 1: fifty of you come to me and say that rule

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Speaker 1: of ten means another ten times as many of you

557
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: are thinking that not telling me, so gotta let me know,

558
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Gotta let me know. If we're giving you the frownies,

559
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: we got to turn them upside down somehow. Anyway, sit

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Speaker 1: from the chowice and let's roll on. I didn't really

561
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Speaker 1: know how to talk about this. You know, in the

562
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Speaker 1: world of SEO search engine optimization for the unwashed, they

563
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Speaker 1: tell you not to talk about things like I'm about

564
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Speaker 1: to talk about because no one ever clicks on it,

565
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Speaker 1: and as we all know, clicks are oxygen. Right. I

566
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Speaker 1: say that sarcastically. Folks use the word clickbait and don't

567
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Speaker 1: even know it went out of style as a strategy

568
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Speaker 1: like five years ago. Anyway, I'm gonna talk about it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Eddie for a way out there in New Mexico hit

570
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Speaker 1: me and said, what do you make of this huge

571
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Speaker 1: wave of coaches leaving the G five And do you

572
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Speaker 1: think it will slow down anytime soon? Eddie wish I

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Speaker 1: had better news. No, I don't think it'll slow down

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. So, as of today, as best we can tell,

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Speaker 1: seven head coaches have gone G five to power for

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Speaker 1: nineteen coordinators thirty two position coaches, many of them have

577
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Speaker 1: seemingly taken lateral or even backwards moves. Sewn Elliott, we

578
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Speaker 1: just saw hang it up as the head coach of

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Speaker 1: Georgia State to go be a position coach over at

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. And congratulations to Columbus Georgia's Del McGee forgetting

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Speaker 1: the Georgia State job. Just a little side note there.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, what do we make of all this? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty easy. It's pretty cut and dry. The G

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Speaker 1: five as an entity, as like a collective, is on

585
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Speaker 1: a more shaky ground than it's ever been on before.

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00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: So as much as the big boys complain and as

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Speaker 1: much as elite head coaches behind the scenes talk about

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Speaker 1: their plight and how unmanageable the current structure of college

589
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: football is, I listen to it and I buy into it.

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: But there's also a side of me that says, are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me right now? I'm not going to make

592
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: up generic names. If you're a head coach to major

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Speaker 1: Big ten program, if you're a head coach in the

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Speaker 1: major SEC program, you're kidding me right now. At least

595
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: you have recourse. Your recourse when your staff or your

596
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: roster get rated is you go down to the G

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Speaker 1: five and it's just heartless. It's like watching orcas hunt

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00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: in packs. You go take from the G five, But

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Speaker 1: what do they do? It's the question. Those are the

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Speaker 1: dudes I feel for, because there is a world right

601
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: now in the G five ranks where you do everything

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00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: right and you lose. You go and you identify talent,

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Speaker 1: and you recruit them and land them and develop them,

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Speaker 1: and you hire soundly, so you build a strong staff,

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Speaker 1: and right when you get to where it's all supposed

606
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: to pay off, someone comes and takes your tie end

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00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: to two best receivers after spring ball, to your interior

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen, get nil deals from desperate lower tier Power

609
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: four teams, and two of your coaches leave at the

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Speaker 1: eleventh hour, and you're gutted, and you go into the

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Speaker 1: fall and you probably had a nine or ten win

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Speaker 1: campaign coming up. All of a sudden, you go five

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Speaker 1: and seven because there is no contingency plan for being

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Speaker 1: gutted after spring ball, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: everyone looks at you and ignorant at least says, well,

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Speaker 1: he is what his record says he is. It's one

617
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Speaker 1: of the big lies in college football, especially in the

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Speaker 1: G five. Right now, you are what your record says

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Speaker 1: you are. Right Well, they're looking around and saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: this game's hard enough to win as it is. But

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Speaker 1: if you're taking my fate out of my own hands,

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Speaker 1: screw that. I'm out of here. And if I have

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Speaker 1: to take a quote unquote backwards move in the interim,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it because I'll go be the wide

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Speaker 1: receivers coach at Michigan State as opposed to being a

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Speaker 1: coordinator or head coach and the G five, cause at

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Speaker 1: least I'm on the iceberg out there before it detaches

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00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: and floats away from whatever this land mass is I'm

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Speaker 1: standing on right now. It's happening. Wish it wasn't. It's happening,

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Speaker 1: and I don't even know because in addition to all

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Speaker 1: those problems I pointed out. Okay, so you've got your

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Speaker 1: roster being gutted, you've got your staff being gutted. But

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Speaker 1: on top of that, you turn on shows like this one.

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Speaker 1: You go read the latest Ross Dellinger or Pete Famill reports.

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Speaker 1: You don't even know what conference you're going to be in,

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Speaker 1: or if it'll even exist as part of major college

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Speaker 1: football in three or four years. You don't know if

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Speaker 1: you'll have access. You don't know if if you'll even

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00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: be subsidized by the big boys like you once upon

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Speaker 1: a time have been, or if that money will cut

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Speaker 1: off and therefore your existence is threatened to cut off.

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Speaker 1: You don't know. They don't know, and they're not experts

643
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: in this. These guys are experts on coaching offensive linemen

644
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: and working on a dB play when the ball's in

645
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: the air. They're not experts on this stuff, nor should

646
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: they be. But it's scary because for you and me,

647
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: it's the sport we watch on Saturday. For those dudes,

648
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: it's their livelihood. It's really scary. I know it's not

649
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: foreign to you guys, a lot of you, And we

650
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: had this at my company last week. Got good people

651
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: doing their job and all of a sudden, they're out

652
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: of a job. You've dealt with this at your place

653
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: of employment. It's no different with these guys. You may

654
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: think because they make more money, it's different, it's not.

655
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: It's not. Listen, a lot of them don't make nearly

656
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: the money you think they do. At the G five

657
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: level as well. It's happening. I had one of them

658
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: tell me last week, the biggest fear is the music

659
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: eventually stops and we don't have a chair to sit in.

660
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: That's the way he put it to me. And that

661
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: was a head coach at a G five school. So, uh,

662
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna end. I don't think

663
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: the decision makers know how it's gonna end. I'm hopeful,

664
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: but you know, remember three weeks ago, Jesse was reminding

665
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: me of this early. Remember about three weeks ago I

666
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: had I had a segment we did on the show

667
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: and I just kind of put it out there and

668
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: I told you, hey, not everyone's going to survive this thing,

669
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: this shift that's coming. Not everyone's going to survive it.

670
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Not every program is going to survive it. Not every

671
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: conference is going to survive. And I'm talking best case

672
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: of best case scenarios playing out, not everyone's gonna survive it.

673
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: And I had some folks come at me and say,

674
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Speaker 1: why should we accept that? Why should we ever accept

675
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: your scenario because that includes programs dying off. You don't

676
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: have any You don't have any other choice because that's

677
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: where we are. This is not two thousand and seven.

678
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: If we go back, then hopefully we could speak some

679
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: common sense and reverse engineer a different outcome. But we

680
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: don't get to do that because this is the real world.

681
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: So you're twenty twenty four and moving forward. What's going

682
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: to happen? Should I share? I'll share this. So guys,

683
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of dire. There are certainly paths where this

684
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't play out this way. Okay, So first I

685
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: want to say that there are certain paths where this

686
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have to play out this way. There are other

687
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: paths where it doesn't, and athletic departments, even at the

688
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: highest levels, are having to prepare for that. And let

689
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: me tell you something that was fairly alarming to me.

690
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: You've got all kinds of schools out there in any

691
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: given year that are replacing coaches, but they're also replacing

692
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: administrators and athletic directors. You know what, one of the

693
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: questions certain major institutions are having to ask in the

694
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: interview process for new ads is it's are you prepared

695
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: to be the face of cutting sports, cutting non revenue sports?

696
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: Are you prepared to do it? And if you answer

697
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: no to that, you're probably done as a candidate for

698
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: that job, because the thinking is, in the near future,

699
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: there will be non revenue generators men's and women's sports

700
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: that get cut because that's the landscape you're headed towards.

701
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about poverty schools. I'm talking about

702
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: some of the big boys out there even that are

703
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: having to deal in that right now. So, like I said,

704
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it has to go that way. And I

705
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: don't think we're over the cliff yet. Okay, smart enough

706
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: people in the room to save us from that, but

707
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: they're also selfish enough folks in the room to hurl

708
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: us headlong into that. So fingers crossed again, I've done

709
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: it like three times in the show Fingers Crossed. They're

710
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: watching us in Shanghai, China. Yes, it was confirmed in

711
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: the live chat earlier. They're watching us in Spartanburg, South Carolina, Pendleton,

712
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: Oregan Garner, Iowa. Thank you guys, so much so as

713
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: you look at your device, I have an eye, Josh,

714
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: for example, you have whatever you have. It is Sunday,

715
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: February twenty fifth right now, which means spring football is

716
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: upon us. I think Missouri starts this week. Some folks

717
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: out there starting absurdly early. So Colin, here's an endpoint.

718
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: Spring football nearly upon us. I have some questions for you,

719
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: really have some questions for myself. I'd love for you

720
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to answer them. For instance, at Georgia, are they going

721
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: to be able to replace the perimeter skill? They've lost

722
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, So DB's like Javon Bullard,

723
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Kamari Lassiter, Tyke Smith gone. And then of course you

724
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: got brock Bowers at tight end, who is our number

725
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: one receiving threat. He's gone, lab McConkie, he's gone. Now.

726
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: As you well know, places that recruit like that, and

727
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: there aren't many of them. There are certain names that

728
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: will be household by the end of the year that

729
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: you don't know about right now, and that is most

730
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: likely the case at Georgia. But that's what makes it

731
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Speaker 1: a spring question. Got to find out who that is.

732
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: He got transfers from I think Vandy and Miami at

733
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and they've also recruited well and they've portaled well.

734
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Speaker 1: They got guys like ra Ra Thomas' last portal cycle.

735
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: In my question will be is there a wide receiver

736
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: one that emerges from that crop? Saw Fournelle Tom Fournelli

737
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: talking about Oscar Delp earlier today. Oscar Delp would be

738
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: an All American caliber tight end at other programs. Last year,

739
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: he just happened to play on the same team as

740
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers. So outside of Athens and hardcore SEC fans,

741
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: most folks don't know about him. That will end in

742
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: about six months or sooner. If you pay attention to

743
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: Georgia just spring football. What about Michigan new quarterback Alex

744
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: Orgie talk about him in a second and new staff,

745
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: so twofold on the question front here Alex Orgy six

746
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: three two thirty six. The comps are to Jalen Milroe

747
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: from folks up there close to the program, maybe a

748
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: little more accurate, we'll see. That's what makes it a question.

749
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: But also the staff, I mean, what kind of offense are

750
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: they going to run? When are we going to finalize

751
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: all the staffing and the hires up there. They're losing

752
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: a ton on the offensive line. What kind of style

753
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: will they be able to play this year? They lost

754
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: two big names at wide receiver. So yes, on one hand,

755
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: you're well, it's not a dome, so you can't hang

756
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: the banner. But you're celebrating a national championship. But this

757
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: staff's new, this team's new. They haven't accomplished anything. That's

758
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: what Sharon Moore is going to be preaching, no doubt.

759
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: So you got that at Florida State, I've got questions.

760
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't question Mike Norvel. You know, we're big fans

761
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: of Mike Norvel, but they're losing a ton of experience

762
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: on defense. So as you open spring ball down there

763
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: in Tallahassee, you're losing about a dozen guys who had

764
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: double digit starts on defense. Now you know, they've recruited

765
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: pretty well, they've portaled extremely well, so they've tried addressing

766
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: it via the portal, and I don't doubt to a

767
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: large degree they will have. But they also lost to

768
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: their top receivers and they're bringing in dj Luiagila at quarterback.

769
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: So there's an assumption out there, and candidly I share

770
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: the assumption. That Florida State as a program has arrived

771
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: like they're not gonna fade off. It's not a window program,

772
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: as we call it, where they'll be up one year

773
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: like Michigan State a couple of years ago, and then

774
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: they fall off a cliff. That's not FSU over underwent

775
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: total at fanduels nine and a half odds makers agree

776
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: with that. The question to me is who are those

777
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: names who are gonna step up? That's one of the

778
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: spring practice sessions actually that I'll be paying really close

779
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: attention to is Florida State. Kansas State also got questions here,

780
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: not at quarterback, because Avery Johnson's the guy at quarterback.

781
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: The question is how much can he do and what's

782
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: around him? They lost two big time wide receivers. They

783
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: lost four starters on the offensive line, and look at

784
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: those amount of starts forty eight, forty one, thirty two,

785
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: twenty seven. They only got one offensive line in returning

786
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: with eight or more starts. And Kansas State is a

787
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: developmental program. It's unlittered with four and five star talent

788
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: up and down the roster. Defense will be good, it'll

789
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: probably buy him some time. But Avery Johnson, Okay, he's

790
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: a talent, but I need guys around him to step up.

791
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: And also, and I could have started with this, but

792
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: I'll finish with it. It's got to the West Coast.

793
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: The question at USC in the spring, defense and totality

794
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: and practice style. I don't think we say that much

795
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: about major programs, but if you think back to last spring,

796
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: they had to alter the way they practiced in spring

797
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: like they had to just kind of say, all right,

798
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: we're kind of done playing football, we'll work on seven

799
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: on seven style practicing. They they were too thin, they

800
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: couldn't tackle, and then they couldn't do it in the

801
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: season either. And so Lincoln Riley has looked at a

802
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: lot of the pieces of his roster depart He got

803
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: rid of some staffers. They were going to be young,

804
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna be inexperienced, they're gonna be new names that

805
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 1: you don't recognize, maybe even if you're a USC fan.

806
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: That's not all bad. Big names came in there last

807
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: year via the portal, but some of those big names

808
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: did not come with big production. And I think Lincoln

809
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: Riley knows that they've got to fundamentally alter the way

810
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: they play. Starts with the way they practice those are

811
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: his words, not mine, and he also understands we cannot

812
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: shortcut our way to this. We are usc first off,

813
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: so we shouldn't have to portal our way to anything.

814
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: We gotta build through recruiting. They have not recruited at

815
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: an elite level. They've recruited at a pretty good to

816
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: really good level. They've got to continue to upgrade there,

817
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: and they've got to go national to recruit the offensive

818
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: and defensive lines. But they've also got to be better

819
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. That's Lincoln Riley, that's supposed to be

820
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: an explosive offense, and Caleb Williams kind of hid the

821
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: fact they were average far too often at receiver last year.

822
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: Big names, not big production. So I don't think it's

823
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world for them to have

824
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: a lot of new blood. And it may come with

825
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: some losses this season, and that's the short term, and

826
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: everyone will judge Riley in the here and now. I

827
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: told you my thoughts on it last month. I'm willing,

828
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: given the circumstances, to give them some time. I'm willing

829
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: to look at Lincoln Riley like a first year head

830
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: coach this year. That's what I'm willing to do. Most

831
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: of you won't agree with me on that, So you

832
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: guys have fun, and you have the right to because

833
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: if your opinion is this is USC, you don't get

834
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: to experiment on the fly as the head coach of USC.

835
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. I guess since I am not

836
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: a fan of USC, I observe them, I can afford

837
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: to take a little different approach. But I look, if

838
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: I was a USC fan, I probably feel the way

839
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: you guys do. So either way, I get it. I'm

840
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: just telling you how I will look at Lincoln Riley

841
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: and USC this year. All right, we move on good

842
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: pace to night. There was some internal thinking that that

843
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: first segment would go twenty five minutes and we would

844
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: already be an hour into the show before we talked

845
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: about Florida State here for a second, but that did

846
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: not come to pass, did it. Well? A quick reminder,

847
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast is back, and even though

848
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: I'll be on the road this week, it'll be back.

849
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll have you a full Late Kick Extra

850
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: pod ready to go depending on Bradley the associate, by

851
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: some time in the day Tuesday, and we look forward

852
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Speaker 1: to it. Make sure we got a lot of live

853
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: viewers tonight. It's February. Man, no off season, none whatsoever.

854
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Speaker 1: Make sure you subscribe to the channel if you haven't already. Okay,

855
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: Collins got the tweet up. I figure we might as

856
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: well address this Vance from Carrollton, Georgia, Home of the Trojans.

857
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: He said, did you see what ESPN had to say

858
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: about the FSU lawsuit? What are your thoughts? Vance? I

859
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: did see it, Okay, So I'm very conflicted here. There

860
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: is some stuff that's about to go down with Florida

861
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: State and the ACC. I am going to be very

862
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: already tonight with how I talk about this. We will

863
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: not burn sources on this show. I will not. I

864
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: got a lot of you guys who feed us a

865
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: lot of good intel. The trade off, unfortunately is in

866
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot of cases we cannot run with it on

867
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: the air, but it does inform our conversation. And so yes,

868
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: I saw what was written. Essentially, you've got the ACC

869
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: and FSU fighting each other legally right now, and then

870
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: ESPN got involved, and you can go read it if

871
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: you want to. I won't bore you with it. The

872
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: ESPN rebuttal was kind of like a wrist slap. Candidly,

873
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: it felt performative to me a lot more than forceful.

874
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to be very careful with this. I will

875
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: tell you this. I think we're in GPS protocol at

876
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: this point in regards to FSU and the ACC, and

877
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: basically that is there may be several different routes this

878
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: could take, but the end result is going to be

879
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: the same. FSU is not going to be in the

880
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: ACC much longer. I mean, I think action's coming on

881
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: that very quick. The talk on our side of the

882
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: fence in the media world is not FSU versus the ACC.

883
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: The talk is network versus network, because the thinking is

884
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: not if, but when FSU breaks free, they won't be alone.

885
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: But when they break free, the question is where are

886
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: they going. We're going to Big ten, going to the SEC.

887
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, is it Tony Pettiti versus

888
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Greg Sink or is it Fox versus ESPN? I would

889
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: lean a lot more towards the latter, with help from

890
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: the former. And so that's the talk right now. And

891
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Speaker 1: as I told you a few shows back, there are

892
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: mechanisms in play that ESPN has a fair amount of

893
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Speaker 1: control over. If that means that ESPN can pave a

894
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Speaker 1: way for FSU to the SEC. Maybe, so if it

895
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Speaker 1: means that at the end of the day, won't make

896
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: that much difference in the grand scheme of things in

897
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Speaker 1: fs you can go wherever they're invited and wherever they want.

898
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Maybe that's also so movement is imminent on this front,

899
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: as in, like before FSU plays another football game this year,

900
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: I think you'll know something on this front. Doesn't mean

901
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. But look, if we're talking twenty twenty five,

902
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: like I think this could happen by twenty twenty five,

903
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: that's one year away from happening. So whether we're talking

904
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: about the NCUBA crumbling, we're talking about college football playoff,

905
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about FSU and more conference realignment. If you

906
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907
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Speaker 1: tonight's show, another volcanic eruption is right around the corner

908
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Speaker 1: in college football, probably the biggest one so far so

909
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Speaker 1: our Saint Helen's has yet to come. I don't want

910
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921
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Speaker 1: who are the biggest names in this sport? It's a

962
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: great question, Josh, great question. It's almost like I didn't

963
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: even come up with it. One of you did so

964
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: Colin no endpoint yet. The other day we did a

965
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: segment on this, and if I'm being honest with you,

966
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: we threw it together the day of the show, and

967
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: I had in my mind, there's no way we're going

968
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: to do an exhaustive list, so this will be like

969
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: part one. But I didn't call it part one. I

970
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: just shared ten names. Well, some people. You guys took

971
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: my list of ten that I shared that night to

972
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: be my definitive list of ten, and i'd called it

973
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: the biggest names in college football. Now I can't remember

974
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: who all we had on it, Like the commissioners were

975
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: on there. Saban was on there, Dabbo, Mike Norvel, like

976
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Quinn Ewers was on there. Well, yeah, those are big names.

977
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: But I didn't literally power rate it one through ten. Okay,

978
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: but the model is on vacation right now, so the

979
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: model is not spitting out power ratings probably until spring.

980
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: So in the meantime, how about part two here? So Colin,

981
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: here's your endpoint. Ten more of the biggest names in

982
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: college football for twenty twenty four. Of course, Kirby Smart's

983
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: one of them. I didn't mention him the other night,

984
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: not because he's not one of the top ten. It's

985
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: just that we have plenty of time to talk about

986
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: these things. Is Kirby Smart the face of college football?

987
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: Is my question to you, because I think it's kind

988
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: of TV. He is leading the number one program in

989
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: college football. If I were power rating head coaches, I

990
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: think i'd have him number one in college football. But

991
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: he's either face of college football when a problem arises,

992
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: will the mics all go to Kirby Smart to speak

993
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: on it? Does he want them to go to him

994
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: to speak on it? Well, either way, he's a big name.

995
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: But if the spotlight that used to be on Nick

996
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: Saban either gets splintered and he gets part of it

997
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: or it just kind of redirects over there to Athens, Georgia,

998
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart ended up rocketing up the importance power ratings

999
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: of college football. His team will be there either way.

1000
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, Kirby Smart, let me finish my sentence or

1001
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: I'll get sidetracked. Kirby Smart's one of the biggest names

1002
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: in college football. That was pretty easy. So I was

1003
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: on with Aaron Murray and T Bob Aber the other

1004
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: day and we were talking about Ryan Day and I

1005
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: made the point that I believe and I said, hey, man,

1006
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Days, like five years ago, is Kirby Smart keep

1007
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: this up for a second? Collein immunity? And my point

1008
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 1: there was everyone's forgotten what they used to say about

1009
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart. You got folks praising him as the king

1010
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: of college football these days, who once upon a time

1011
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: said things like he can't win the big one. Kirby

1012
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: can't get over the sabing hump. As you're looking on

1013
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: your screen. Those things would have been said right around

1014
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: there twenty twenty and then all of a sudden, twenty

1015
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: twenty one happens title twenty twenty two. Yawn, another title,

1016
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: and no one said that about him anymore. It can

1017
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: change that quick. And what changed about Kirby? Answer? Not much.

1018
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: They just kept chopping. They just kept doing what they do.

1019
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: Ryan Day at Ohio State will be the same way.

1020
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: Dood will eventually win a title, and all of a sudden,

1021
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: Colin will have a graphic like this and there'll be

1022
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: one or two little red bars there indicating national title wins,

1023
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: and no one will hit on Ryan Day anymore. Search

1024
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: your heart, you know it to be true. Next up,

1025
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Ryan Day's not even on the list tonight. I just

1026
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: segued to Ryan Day. Next up, Dylan Gabriel. Yes, it's

1027
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback at not Oklahoma but Oregon. He's surrounded by talent.

1028
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: Bo Knicks is leaving a big void out there, which

1029
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: is a sentence in and of itself that we didn't

1030
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: think would be saying a few years ago when he

1031
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: was imprisoned down at Auburn. Still not literally, I don't

1032
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: want the NFL draft types. I think they just uncovered

1033
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: something there. But bo Nicks was underdeveloped at Oregon or

1034
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: at Auburn. He goes to Oregon, they fully utilize a

1035
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: skill set and he explodes well. Then he leaves and

1036
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel steps in, and he's not stepping in to

1037
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: carry the entirety of the load. A lot of good

1038
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: receivers up there. I mean a lot of them. Just

1039
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: picked up Evan Stewart as well, So Dylan Gabriel could

1040
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: be instrumental in the way the Big Ten Championship race

1041
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: plays out and the National Championship race plays out this year.

1042
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's about all it takes to get on the

1043
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: list of biggest names in college football this year. Next up,

1044
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: I want to go to Miami. Mario Cristobal is one

1045
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: of the most important names in college football this year.

1046
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: Two reasons. Number One, they've got one of the most

1047
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: skilled rosters in a major conference. Therefore they should be

1048
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: a factor in that conference race. Number Two, there's this

1049
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: massive debate that happens and is happening in college football

1050
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: right now, and that is is Mario cristoball a great recruiter.

1051
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: Is he a great game day coach? Is he both?

1052
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: Is he one? Is he neither? And this fall will

1053
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: be instrumental in shutting at least one of those camps up.

1054
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: Because this year, this twenty twenty four year, is one

1055
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: that pretty much everyone inside the walls of Miami has

1056
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: had circled. They feel extremely confident about the team they're

1057
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: going to have. They went and got the quarterback piece

1058
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: and cam Ward, so they feel good about it all right.

1059
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: So on one hand, that's optimism. On the other hand, it means, hey,

1060
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: no excuses if you fall flat this year, no excuses.

1061
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: And that's a beautiful thing because that's how competition works

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Speaker 1: the affirmative, well you'll have him establish pishing himself at

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Speaker 1: Miami and establishing Miami as a power player. You got

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Speaker 1: a twelve team playoff this year and they could be

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Speaker 1: a part of it. And that's a really big deal

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Speaker 1: because that would be a major brand returning to the

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Speaker 1: party Miami as a playoff team. Just sit on that

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Speaker 1: for a second. Miami is a playoff team. Next up,

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Speaker 1: what about Jaylen Milroe? A lot changed at Alabama recently,

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Speaker 1: not Jalen Milroe. And I'm very interested as they open

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Speaker 1: spring ball in a couple of weeks down in Tuscaloosa

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Speaker 1: to start to see how Milroe fits in Kayln de

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Speaker 1: Bor's offense. And so there are two schools of thought

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Speaker 1: on this. One is Jalen Milroe is who he is

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Speaker 1: right as a player. And then there's another school of thought,

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Speaker 1: kind of the bow Nick school of thought of or

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Speaker 1: the Michael Pennix junior school of thought, where not comparing

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Speaker 1: the players, but I'm saying for broad strokes purposes, you

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Speaker 1: saw those guys in different systems do much different things.

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Speaker 1: So and one of them actually was plugged into dobor

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Speaker 1: system in Pennix. So Jalen Miler plugged into Kaylin Debor's system.

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Speaker 1: How different does he look? This is still Alabama, It's

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Speaker 1: a still really really deep roster. There's still one of

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Speaker 1: the favorites to win the national championship. He'll be an

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Speaker 1: integral part obviously of whether they can do that. What

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Speaker 1: about Tim Lester, how many of you hoops to amongst us,

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Speaker 1: that's the new offensive coordinator at Iowa. And because he's

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Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator at Iowa. It's a virtual guarantee

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Speaker 1: that he's going to improve his side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: I'm i'm I think my sister would. And so Tim Lester,

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Speaker 1: how improved can they be? Because it's like when we

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Speaker 1: talk about USC, or we talk about LSU, what do

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00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: we say, can we get like a pulse on defense? Well,

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: if you take that and you totally invert it, that

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Speaker 1: is Iowa football. Doesn't matter who the starting eleven are defensively,

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Speaker 1: you just blindly know they'll be really good, tougher than

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Speaker 1: a two dollars stake, as Jim Ross would say. However,

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Speaker 1: they may have to hold the opposition to single digits

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Speaker 1: or else they get beat ten to nine because that's

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Speaker 1: been the status or stati because it's been several years

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Speaker 1: of Iowa offense. Well, if Tim Lester can even make

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00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: them decent, just like at LSU with Blake Baker or

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Speaker 1: D'Anton Lynn, the new coordinators on defense at LSU and USC,

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Speaker 1: if they can even make those defenses decent, he got

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Speaker 1: a really good team. All of a sudden. Iowa could

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Speaker 1: be a really good team, really fascinating team. All of

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00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: a sudden. They were already pretty good, but they could

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Speaker 1: be really good if they could. You know, score and stuff,

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Speaker 1: score and stuff. Not a bad name. Next up, Travis Hunter,

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00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: one of the very best players in college football this year.

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Speaker 1: How much will he play both ways? Just a selfish

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00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: question I have. And number two, he's on a team

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Speaker 1: that's one of the spotlight teams in college football for

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: reasons that some of you like and some of you don't.

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01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: Therefore it's nothing but like for me, because they're polarizing.

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is one of the faces of college football,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how anyone argues that actually one

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Speaker 1: of the faces of college football and also could be

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Speaker 1: a player that's the difference in several games for Colorado

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Speaker 1: and as they join a new conference, he also has

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Speaker 1: an impact in the Big Twelve, which wasn't the case

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Speaker 1: last year because obviously Colorado wasn't there. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if it's true that we're approaching a season where it's

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Speaker 1: show me time for Dion as a head coach and

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Speaker 1: for that program, in the entire philosophy with which he's

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Speaker 1: running that program, well, I mean the face of his

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Speaker 1: philosophy is Travis Hunter in many ways as well. So

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Speaker 1: he's an important player cam Rising entering his either eighteenth

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Speaker 1: or nineteenth year at Utah. Who's been at Utah longer?

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Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham or Camera Tomato Tomato as looks like apples

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Speaker 1: to apples at this point. So, Cam Rising, what's the

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Speaker 1: dude's name in Lord of the Rings? Jesse, Jesse Leeve,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Left, Didney coll him? He doesn't know the dude

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Speaker 1: with a long beer you know who I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: really long like down to hear oh Gandolf? Yes, well, Utah.

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Speaker 1: Gandolf is about to gird up his loins and lead

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Speaker 1: the Utes to quarterback yet again. And Utah is also

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Speaker 1: joining the Big Twelve. And what if I told you

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Speaker 1: that a certain college football show out there the other

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Speaker 1: day did program power rankings and said that Utah is

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Speaker 1: the best program in the Big Twelve the moment they

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Speaker 1: enter the Big Twelve. It was this show. I am

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Speaker 1: that person. And so Utah could come in and quite

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Speaker 1: literally win the Big Twelve this year. But if they can't,

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Speaker 1: well it's unlikely that they do. If Cam Rising doesn't

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Speaker 1: play well. He was hurt last year, and so he's

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Speaker 1: back again this year. And we pull for cam Rising

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Speaker 1: number one because we respect our elders. And number two

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Speaker 1: because he looks a lot like Jesse suspiciously looks a

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Speaker 1: lot like Jesse, and so for those reasons, we've always

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Speaker 1: felt kind of a kindred attachment to Cam Rising, So

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Speaker 1: we're pulling for him. He's an important name. And also

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Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze at Auburn one of the biggest and most

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Speaker 1: important names in college football twenty twenty four because it

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Speaker 1: could go one of two ways to the extreme down

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Speaker 1: at Auburn, we have seen Auburn as a program be

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Speaker 1: a program of extremes in the modern era. And we've

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Speaker 1: also seen Hugh Freeze do things that few other coaches

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Speaker 1: have done, you know, like beating Nick Saban back to

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Speaker 1: back years and went up to Liberty one at Liberty

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Speaker 1: and is now at Auburn, and they brought in a

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Speaker 1: top ten recruiting class. They are I think in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways, finding their way is the best way

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Speaker 1: that I could summarize what it's like inside Auburn right now.

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Speaker 1: And that just leads to a lot of maybe concern,

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Speaker 1: but just just a lack of being able to fully

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Speaker 1: put your finger on the football program. Predicting Auburn's like

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Speaker 1: nailing jello to the wall right now. As me mal

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Speaker 1: would say, and so for that reason, the head coach

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Speaker 1: of that program has got to be one of the

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Speaker 1: most important names in college football in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: But also, if I told you ten years ago Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban's going to retire a decade from now, so twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, the SEC will finally be rid of Nick Saban,

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Speaker 1: you would have said, well, whoever the coach at Auburn

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Speaker 1: is at that point is going to be in a

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Speaker 1: really good position, that's the time to strike. Well it's

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Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze. Hugh Freese is at Auburn. Hugh Freeze just

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Speaker 1: landed some in state recruits that were really, really big

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Speaker 1: Cam Coleman, for example, really big, get Auburn. What land

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Speaker 1: of those kids? I could not care less how they

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Speaker 1: landed them. It's a different world today. Don't be using

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Speaker 1: that stuff as an excuse because you can do it.

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Speaker 1: It's legal, and even if it's not legal, no one's

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Speaker 1: going to police it, so it's leg So Hugh Freeze,

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Speaker 1: very important name. Okay, we got a big week coming up.

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Speaker 1: We got a live show Thursday night. We got a

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