WEBVTT - Patreon Preview: You Can See Everything

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon-exclusive episode starts now. Well, here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would I deceive you?

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<v Speaker 1>We are here to discuss You Can See Everything. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny, Stradio Lab, you know, I was sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>When we first saw the movie last weekend, we both

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<v Speaker 1>saw it on the same day and at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>but at different time zones, of course. Of course. And obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, in my mind, I was like, we

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<v Speaker 1>should record. And I was like, everyone's going to record

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<v Speaker 1>something about this. And then it was like, how about

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do that? How about you just, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are excited and want to talk about something, you just

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<v Speaker 1>record something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel similarly. However, I will say, considering we

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<v Speaker 2>both watched it opening day at 3 p.m., we both

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<v Speaker 2>skipped work we had to do. I stayed up late

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<v Speaker 2>working on something after I watched it, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry not to be such a child about spoilers, but

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<v Speaker 2>I have to embrace the fact that I am such

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<v Speaker 2>a child about spoilers. I wish I was more mature,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't like when things are spoiled for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would like, and I also refuse to not

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<v Speaker 2>be online.

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<v Speaker 1>I also refuse to not be online. I also am

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<v Speaker 1>a baby about spoilers. And also, I'm sorry, but if I.

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<v Speaker 1>If a movie is coming out on a weekend, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to see it to talk to people

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Because you think I'm not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at a gathering where I have almost nothing in common

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<v Speaker 1>with someone? And they're going to say, well, did you

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<v Speaker 1>see You Can See Everything? And I would go, no.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we just have to go our separate ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's my fault that the conversation has ground

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<v Speaker 2>to a halt? No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pro-social.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pro-social.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, what I wanted to say, though, is that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad we resisted the initial impulse to record immediately. and

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<v Speaker 2>have had like a week, exactly a week, right?

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<v Speaker 1>A week and a day.

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<v Speaker 2>A week and a day to think about it. Because

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<v Speaker 2>I have found my views on it evolving, then circling

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<v Speaker 2>back to what they originally were, and then sort of

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<v Speaker 2>having three contradictory opinions about it at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's like, it's a movie that rewards

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<v Speaker 2>sitting with it for a bit. So I'm actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>have no regrets about recording a week after.

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<v Speaker 1>But Well, I want to say I have some regrets

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<v Speaker 1>about recording week after.

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<v Speaker 2>Why? Because Let's Call Teresa is already released there?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes. And also because I... Even feeling the shock of...

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, this is going to be spoiler filled.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you haven't seen it yet, stop now. We

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<v Speaker 1>will be spoiling.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be spoiling. And this episode will be here

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<v Speaker 2>for you when you're ready. So there's no rush. Go

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<v Speaker 2>see the movie and then you can listen.

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<v Speaker 1>But... I do remember feeling surprised when we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the Amanda Seyfried part. And now it's just such a

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<v Speaker 1>given that that happens that I'm sort of like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>why was that surprising? I genuinely can't remember why it

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<v Speaker 1>was surprising. But in the moment, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's two surprises that happened with Amanda, which is one,

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<v Speaker 2>you see her and it's like, oh my God, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe he's hanging out with her. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>at first you think this is basically just a gimmick

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<v Speaker 2>that he wanted just like the shot of her watching

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth watching the show. It doesn't occur to you she's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be literally like his sidekick for the next

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<v Speaker 2>hour and a half of the movie. Yeah. And an

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly important one, not least because she's the only woman

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire creative team. So she has to also

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<v Speaker 2>be like the female gaze of this project. Like she's

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<v Speaker 2>the one who has to be like, as a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel bad watching her be in this relationship or like,

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<v Speaker 2>I am relating to a lot of this stuff as

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<v Speaker 2>a mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but it, that's also why it was so refreshing

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<v Speaker 1>when she joins, she was both the female gaze, but

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<v Speaker 1>also like, sorry, but like the, she was the whole

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<v Speaker 1>audience's gaze too. Like she just, but we, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves. Okay. So how about,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's no need to do a summary

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<v Speaker 2>because again, I want, if you're listening to this, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you've already seen the movie. Yeah. Um, If you

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<v Speaker 2>think you don't want to watch it and you want

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<v Speaker 2>us to describe it, that's wrong. And actually, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to engage in that kind of activity for your

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<v Speaker 2>sick pleasure. Go support your local cinema and watch this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It is worth it. It is, regardless of any critiques

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<v Speaker 2>we have, it is the movie of the year. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is just a fact. Apologies to La Bola Negra

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<v Speaker 2>and queer filmmaking globally. Well, always....

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<v Speaker 1>Queer filmmaking is always in its flop era, of course. No, no.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, I haven't seen Love, Will, and Ego,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure it's amazing. I just mean, like, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing is going to cause as much conversation as this

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<v Speaker 2>movie is. Okay. So, tell me your initial thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, initial thoughts. When I watched this movie, I was, like,

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely gasping at so much of it. I was really

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<v Speaker 1>blown away by, you know, I've... always loved Nathan Fielder.

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<v Speaker 1>I've loved the, um, Nathan for you. I loved rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved the curse, um, in that order for the record. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought that it was just like so bold

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<v Speaker 1>just the first hour to be able to like, talk

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<v Speaker 1>to someone who was like openly lying and like really

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<v Speaker 1>sort of engage with them and sort of push back

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<v Speaker 1>kindly and be like, Try to be like, what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? I really enjoyed how he's so comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>tense moments, but doesn't let them ruin his vibe. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there was so much in the first hour where

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this. I can't believe I'm seeing this. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>watching someone have sex or something. And actually have sex,

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<v Speaker 1>not pornographically. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is intimate.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was so... Such a tightrope walk and so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like when the Amanda Seyfried stuff comes in,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in absolute heaven. Every single thing I was

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<v Speaker 1>like surprised by.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is a testament to just unlimited institutional

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<v Speaker 2>support and completely willing subjects. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So generally speaking, I loved, I loved, I loved. What

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<v Speaker 1>was your initial reaction? I mean, my initial reaction was similar.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, it was... many people have talked about this,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just the gasping was constant in the theater

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<v Speaker 2>because I was watching again, 3 p.m. day of no one,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing had been spoiled for anyone. No, there were no

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<v Speaker 2>reviews out, whatever. And it was just, you couldn't believe,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the fact that you see his full penis,

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<v Speaker 2>you see Billy's full penis, and that's not even the

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<v Speaker 2>thing you walk out thinking about. Like if I had

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<v Speaker 2>told you there is a documentary about Elizabeth Holmes and

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<v Speaker 2>Forget Nathan Fielder. There's a documentary about Elizabeth Holmes and

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<v Speaker 2>you see her boyfriend's penis while showering. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>like the headline for any other documentary. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>like the big reveal. And that was barely something that

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<v Speaker 2>had registered as I was, as I was walking out.

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<v Speaker 2>How you judge this movie has to do with like

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<v Speaker 2>what you think it's doing. Like, I think if you

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<v Speaker 2>think that it is in any way pursuing the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be disappointed. That's because it's like not

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<v Speaker 2>what it's about. It is a movie that is, It

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<v Speaker 2>is A, about Nathan in a big way. Like it

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<v Speaker 2>is about him having an experience. It is B, about

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<v Speaker 2>like sort of like discomfort and the complete impossibility of

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<v Speaker 2>human to human communication. It is about like, it is

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<v Speaker 2>about the various characters almost as archetypes. Like I think

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<v Speaker 2>Billy exists to be an archetype for the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>radicalized tech bro in a way that is almost too perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he, the fact that he goes from like California

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<v Speaker 2>cowabunga dude to like right wing Texas, um, coked out

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<v Speaker 2>lizard owner, uh, lizard owner. That is such a microcosm.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, that has happened to so many.

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<v Speaker 1>I could not believe how perfect that was. Like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm like, like, that's where this is a documentary

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm like talking about capturing like what our society

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<v Speaker 1>is currently.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly, yes, exactly. So it works best, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>if you see it as on a completely meta metaphorical level,

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<v Speaker 2>like each character is an archetype, like Elizabeth Holmes is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like the sociopathic liar, kind of like woman manipulator.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Billy is like the radicalized tech bro. Amanda is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like the crazy actress who like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thinks she knows more than she does and thinks she

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<v Speaker 2>has more insights into humanity than she does. but then

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<v Speaker 2>it ultimately does sort of work out for her and

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<v Speaker 2>it results in like an amazing performance. Nathan is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like the autistic comedian that like can't quite wrap

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<v Speaker 2>his head around what's happening around him. Point being that

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<v Speaker 2>I think initially it was a tough pill for me

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<v Speaker 2>to swallow that like the one thing they refused to

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<v Speaker 2>do in this incredibly carefully made, genius, brilliant movie, the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing they refused to do is fact check. That

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<v Speaker 2>frustrated me in the and you refuse to even just

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<v Speaker 2>have like a single scene where like a scientist comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, hey guys, so X, Y, Z, the things

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<v Speaker 2>she just said, those are false. X, Y, Z, the

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<v Speaker 2>things he just said are false. This is like what

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<v Speaker 2>she is saying. She has knowingly said the opposite seven

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. Okay, now carry on. And now we can

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<v Speaker 2>go on with the rest of the movie. Like there

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<v Speaker 2>was no desire to do that. A very simple thing,

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<v Speaker 2>just quickly. The Theranos whistleblower went on I think CBS

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<v Speaker 2>This Morning or one of those morning shows. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the very simple things he said was the Theranos

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<v Speaker 2>machine that she took out and took apart is literally

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<v Speaker 2>not the one she's in jail for. It is like

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<v Speaker 2>a different version of the machine that was like never

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<v Speaker 2>released or was made after. But like something like that

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<v Speaker 2>is never fact checked.

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<v Speaker 1>But I felt like that, I did not need that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to me, it almost felt like those are like

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<v Speaker 1>her legal... things have been covered so much like I

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<v Speaker 1>think I ultimately come out media about it and so

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<v Speaker 1>like I was kind of like I'm so glad this

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<v Speaker 1>is a different approach because and even like like I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you go in being like I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure a lot of people will see this without having

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<v Speaker 1>seen the various medias about her and so maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>is you know bad but like I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>go in being like she so obviously has lied about

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<v Speaker 1>this and took advantage of people and and was like

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<v Speaker 1>putting people in danger and then to watch her still

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<v Speaker 1>like be like like it's like there have been so

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<v Speaker 1>multiple tv shows and movies about you and you still

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<v Speaker 1>can't be like yeah i put the cart before the

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<v Speaker 1>horse the dream was still real my my vision was

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<v Speaker 1>still real it's just the tech wasn't quite there like

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<v Speaker 1>she still can't admit that and it's like we are

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<v Speaker 1>so beyond that it's It's crazy just to watch someone

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<v Speaker 1>need a fact checker at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. And to be clear, like that's, I

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<v Speaker 2>left with that sort of discomfort. And I have since

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<v Speaker 2>realized that, in fact, that would not have been productive.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it was, the truthiness of it was handled,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, in an interesting way that creates tension. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think is, I think like it would have taken

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<v Speaker 2>something away to have a sort of like scientist talking

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<v Speaker 2>head or a fact checker of some sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I feel like that's where the microcosm comes into

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so much of that in our day-to-day personal

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<v Speaker 1>lives now. Say you're talking to a Trump supporter and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, well, Trump says this. And you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not true. And they're like, well, you're just another person.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like the Elizabeth versus Nathan talking about if

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<v Speaker 1>the machine can or cannot work was so like, political

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<v Speaker 1>arguments where it's like, well, it's just your word versus mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, well, one of ours is true. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so much lying in our interpersonal lives that it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is genuinely relatable.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely. I think that, yes, again, on a meta level,

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<v Speaker 2>it very much, it really effectively portrays the feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about many times about the feeling of not

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<v Speaker 2>knowing if anything is true that you are witnessing around

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<v Speaker 2>you at all times, whether it's not knowing if something

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<v Speaker 2>is AI generated, whether it's like consuming political content through

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram infographics that are only half true, but sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like spiritually true, whether it's not knowing where any information

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<v Speaker 2>is coming from, not knowing something as simple as, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when we had the whole clipping conversation, not knowing whether

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<v Speaker 2>something is viral organically or not organically. So yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely agree with that. I guess it's interesting because there

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<v Speaker 2>are moments in the movie where you legitimately can tell

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<v Speaker 2>what's true and what's not. But then there are moments

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<v Speaker 2>when you know for a fact that she's lying. And

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<v Speaker 2>those are kind of all just put into the same

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<v Speaker 2>mixing bowl. And I think that maybe is what rubbed

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<v Speaker 2>me the wrong way where I'm like, well, don't confuse

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<v Speaker 2>me further than I need to be confused. Like, let's

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the stuff that is vague. like whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not she was lying about the Theranos machine is not vague.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>She was lying. It never worked. She is a, so she,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say associate bet, but she is

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<v Speaker 2>a liar. She is a serial liar. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>just like what she is. So the, like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting when you hear about Theranos 2.0, because so

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<v Speaker 2>far we don't know. I mean, obviously I can imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that she is again lying, but like so far there

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<v Speaker 2>has not been an investigation into Theranos 2.0. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting, um, field in which to play with the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of truth and lies. But Theranos 1.0, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>be relitigating. Like that, we know. We know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, another thing I want to talk about in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the political debates is the moment where Billy

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<v Speaker 2>reveals he's a Charlie Kirk fan is really interesting because,

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<v Speaker 2>and not to keep throwing Amanda under the bus, because

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<v Speaker 2>I love Amanda Seyfried, but it's so funny because then

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<v Speaker 2>her response is, I don't like that he's performative. Which

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<v Speaker 2>is such a funny, like it's a political debate where

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<v Speaker 2>both sides are missing the point. Well, like Amanda, I

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<v Speaker 2>think she also is like, you know, she's caught off guard.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't know what she's saying. I think Amanda, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to sit her down, she would be able

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<v Speaker 2>to explain why she doesn't like Charlie Kirk. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, it's funny that she can't like, she's not

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<v Speaker 2>saying the right thing either.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I thought that scene was incredible. Talk about relatable vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's like, you're like, well, clearly I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who I don't like, but we'll figure this out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's like, oh, I actually do love Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 1>And for her to be like, like almost short circuit

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<v Speaker 1>because she hasn't interacted with someone who loves Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>in her life. And so she's like, oh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know this was possible. But like the way that escalated

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<v Speaker 1>to like, and it really, to me, showed the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between like her being sort of the audience perspective versus

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan being like, No matter what, like, calm and, like,

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<v Speaker 1>zoomed out. Because she, like, gets upset with how evil

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is. Whereas Nathan's like, whatever, that's just, that's

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<v Speaker 1>my subject. And I'm capturing him however he acts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Amanda is the only one that is reacting to

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<v Speaker 2>things with any level of emotional intelligence. Like, at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>And even her inconsistencies are deeply human. Like, when she

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<v Speaker 2>talks to Elizabeth on the phone... and is so caught

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<v Speaker 2>off guard that she's like, you're incredible. Like, it's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have been like that to people where I hate them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they show me like a shred of humanity. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I have this sort of like internal panic of like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh God, am I villainizing them unfairly? Because I have

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<v Speaker 2>just seen them, you know, acting lovingly towards their child.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do sort of want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>my experience with Amanda Seyfried. Please. So- I have met

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