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Speaker 2: Welcome to Unfucking the Future. I'm Chris Turney. I'm a

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Speaker 3: Fucking the future.

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Speaker 2: I want to pitch you a movie idea. In rural Montana,

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Speaker 2: They band together and sue the government. The government fights back,

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Speaker 4: And in Montana today a landmark court decision a judge

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Speaker 2: Claire Flashes is among the many plaintiffs working with Our

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Speaker 1: After I finished my solar panel project in middle school,

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Speaker 1: And then when I heard about this case happening in Montana,

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Speaker 2: In June twenty twenty three, our Children's Trust made their

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Speaker 5: This was the first ever constitutional climate trial in US history,

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Speaker 2: Claire drew support from her fellow plaintiffs. They were kids

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to Claren Nate. After youth plaintiffs presented their

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: The state had an opportunity to present evidence in terms

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Speaker 2: Maybe the state didn't really take the lawsuit seriously. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm Kylie Gibson, our top stories We come on the

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Speaker 3: Montana judge sided with young environmental activists on Monday, and

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Speaker 2: Judge Kathy Seeley handed down her decision.

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Speaker 4: They won.

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Speaker 2: For those of you just rejoining us, we've been exploring

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Speaker 2: the landmark court case in Montana where young climate activists

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Speaker 2: challenged the state's promotion of fossil fuels and won. It

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Speaker 5: This decision that we secured in August was the first

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Speaker 5: time in our nation's history where courts have reviewed the

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Speaker 5: constitutionality of government laws and conduct that promote fossil fuels,

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Speaker 5: and after conducting that review, determined that they were unconstitutional,

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Speaker 5: the constitutional rights of Montana's youth. We've never had a

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Speaker 2: Wow. So just to be clear, that's the first time

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Speaker 2: be protected from climate change, that's right. Yeah, So what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there's a few things that it means, and

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Speaker 5: the court's August order really spelled out what is unconstitutional.

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Speaker 2: It's an ambitious goal, but of a moment it seems

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Speaker 2: totally possible. The bigger question now is whether our Children's

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Speaker 2: Trust can compete this success. The hope is to win

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Speaker 5: It was the first trial, the first win, but we

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Speaker 5: There's our federal case Juliana the United States, which has

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Speaker 2: That case Nate is talking about, Juliana Versity United States.

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Speaker 2: It's a big deal because it's not just taking on

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Speaker 5: The main difference from the Juliana case is that case

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Speaker 2: If you'd like to learn more about it, Netflix has

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Speaker 5: And so it's based on the Federal Constitution, and it

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Speaker 5: And we're hoping that we'll get to trial sometime the

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Speaker 2: I think one thing that really struck me watching the movie.

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Speaker 3: We can be the foundations for a lot of other

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Speaker 4: It can be a beacon of hope to others.

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Speaker 2: The stories of Juliana versus US and Hell versus Montana

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Speaker 5: So again, it speaks to that systemic solutions to climate

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Speaker 2: And I to stand correct, the federal government's really fighting

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't the government want this to go to trial.

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Speaker 4: And I think they don't want that to come to light.

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Speaker 5: They don't want all the evidence to come out about

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Speaker 2: Wherever Our Children's Trust wins their case against the federal government,

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Speaker 5: One thing that the judge made clear in Montana is

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Speaker 2: And do you think we'll ever get to the point

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Speaker 5: out of fossil fuels, and so we understand that this

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Speaker 5: can't happen overnight, but you know, sometime within the next

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Speaker 5: you know, twenty five years or so, we have the

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Speaker 5: potential to have all of our energy coming from renewable

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Speaker 5: energy sources. And that's necessary in order to protect protect

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Speaker 5: our futures, protect the right of today's children, future generations.

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Speaker 5: I think it's important to remember that people don't need

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Speaker 5: fossil fuels. People need a way to turn on their lights,

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Speaker 5: to heat their homes, to power their transportation, and there's

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Speaker 5: technology is available today. And just as we've done in

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Speaker 5: the past with other dangerous and harmful products. I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, we can move away from fossil fuels and

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Speaker 5: ultimately have them become illegal.

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Speaker 3: We're fucking the future. We're fucking the future.

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Speaker 2: So at this point you might be saying to yourself,

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Speaker 2: this is amazing. I wish I could sue my government

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Speaker 2: and help bring the fossil fuel era to an end. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's the good news. You can. Our Children's Trust is

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Speaker 2: constantly on the lookout for people willing to tell their

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Speaker 2: stories in court.

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Speaker 5: So if anybody wants to get involved, there's a form

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Speaker 5: that you can fill out on our website for youth

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Speaker 5: in particular, a client intake form. So tell us where

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Speaker 5: you are, a little bit about why you're interested in

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Speaker 5: getting involved, and we'll get back to you. For anybody

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Speaker 5: else that wants to, you know, keep up to speed

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Speaker 5: on the case developments. You can go to our website

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Speaker 5: it's Our Children's Trust dot org, and you know, sign

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Speaker 5: up for our newsletter. We send regular case updates, and

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Speaker 5: you know, we work with an incredible network of supporters,

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Speaker 5: you know, scientists, medical experts, experts and renewable energy transition.

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Speaker 5: So there's ways for just about anybody to get involved,

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Speaker 5: So feel free to reach out and we'd love to

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Speaker 5: hear from you if you want to find a way

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Speaker 5: to support the cases.

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Speaker 2: And for those people who are listening outside America, is

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Speaker 2: that something else that you can help with or you

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Speaker 2: can put people in contact or even help them start

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Speaker 5: This is definitely a global movement and we're working all

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Speaker 5: over the globe, so we you know, we've supported cases

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Speaker 5: and a number of different countries around the world and

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Speaker 5: before international courts, so you know, we were definitely love

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Speaker 5: to hear from people from from different countries as well.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. And just to be clear, do you have

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Speaker 2: to be young? I mean certain middle aged scientists is

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Speaker 2: out there interested in suing a government? Is that something

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Speaker 2: else that's possibility? I might have a plenty for you

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Speaker 2: if that's.

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Speaker 4: The well, all of our plaintiffs are our youth.

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Speaker 5: But there's always a way to get scientists and other

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Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe not all of us can join a

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Speaker 2: landmark legal case. But that said, it's important to remember

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Speaker 2: how ended up here. She got her start in climate activism.

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Speaker 2: Guess solar panels installed at a School, and that's the

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Speaker 2: kind of project anyone can get involved in.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone has a different capacity for making change,

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Speaker 1: or for advocacy or pursuing their passion, And even if

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Speaker 1: it's something really small, like really small, I think that's

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Speaker 1: really important. And I mean we all have different capacities

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Speaker 1: for doing that, and you know, even at different times.

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Speaker 1: So as long as people are maximizing all that they

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Speaker 1: can do at this given time, I think that's all

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Speaker 1: you can really ask for.

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Speaker 2: And that brings us to the last segment of the episode.

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Speaker 2: It's called what the Fuck Can I Do?

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Speaker 3: What the fuck.

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Speaker 1: Can I do?

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Speaker 2: As you probably know by now, this is a time

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Speaker 2: where we focus on one specific thing you can do

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Speaker 2: to help in the fight against global heating, And as always,

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Speaker 2: we're joined by our friend Maggie Baird. Maggie, what did

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Speaker 2: you think of a story of Claire and Nate in

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Speaker 2: our Children's Trust?

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Speaker 7: When Clear School told her solar panels were too expensive?

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Speaker 9: What does she do?

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Speaker 7: She went out and raised the money herself. I really

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Speaker 7: admire how she just kept going whenever she met an obstacle,

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Speaker 7: and we can all learn from that example. The fossil

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Speaker 7: fuel companies spend millions of dollars on lawyers and lobbyists.

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Speaker 7: They understand how important it is to influence the law

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Speaker 7: and the lawmakers, and we need to even the playing field.

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Speaker 2: So what the fuck can we do to level this

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Speaker 2: playing field?

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Speaker 10: Well, in this case, the easy and obvious answer is

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Speaker 10: to support the work of Our Children's Trust. Unfortunately, they

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Speaker 10: have a lot of amazing ways to do that even

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Speaker 10: if you don't have money. For example, if you're a

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Speaker 10: lawyer like Nate, you can volunteer to provide pro bono

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Speaker 10: legal work. If you're a student like Claire, they have

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Speaker 10: great resources for you, like how to write a letter

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Speaker 10: to your local.

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Speaker 7: Or school newspaper. They even have resources for teachers to

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Speaker 7: help them teach about these issues in the classroom. Just

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Speaker 7: go to Our Children's Trust dot org to learn how

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Speaker 7: you can help.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, maggive 're just an incredible organization and making a

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Speaker 2: real difference.

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Speaker 3: What fuck can I do?

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's all for this episode. Next time I'm Fucking

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Speaker 2: the Future, we'll be speaking to psychologist doctor Lisa Van Sustron.

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Speaker 2: She studies how a climate crisis is affecting our mental health.

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert is affecting us terribly, but even that may

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Speaker 2: have a positive side effect.

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Speaker 9: Oh, it's even desirable, frankly to be outraged and angry.

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Speaker 9: Many studies show that that is the prelude to taking action.

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Speaker 9: That it is protective to be angry and outraged. They

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Speaker 9: are healthy emotions to an unhealthy.

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Speaker 2: Condition until then. I'm Chris Turney signing off from Sydney, Australia.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me and I'm Fucking the Future.

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Speaker 3: Weird Fucking the Future.

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Speaker 2: I'm Fucking the Future is produced by Imagine Audio and

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Speaker 2: Awfully Nice for iHeart Podcasts and hosted by me Chris Turney.

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Speaker 2: The show is written by Meredith Bryan. I'm Fucking the

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Speaker 2: Future is produced by Amber von Schassen and Renee Colvert.

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Speaker 2: Ron Howard, Brian Grazer, Carral Welker and Nathan Chloke are

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Speaker 2: Hodges are the executive producers from Awfully Nice. Sound design

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Speaker 2: and mixing by Evan Arnette, original music by Lilly Hayden

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Speaker 2: and producing services by Peter McGuigan. Sam Swinnerton wrote our

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