1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Hi from Pasadena, California, and welcome back to Cardinals territory. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Katie and Bernie here for. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: You on Tuesday, August fifth. 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: A great win for the Cardinals yesterday over the Dodgers 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: at Dodgers Stadium. Honestly, I thought it was one of 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: their best games of the season and it was a 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: much needed, much appreciated performance after the last week or 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: so of just disappointing news trained deadline drama, and you know, 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: it's never easy to come out and play after a selloff. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: But I thought what the Cardinals showed on Monday was 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: a lot of fight and I really enjoyed the win. 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: Bernie, what do you got today? 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: Well, you know, they kept be engaged until the wee 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: small hours of the morning. Well not exactly that, but 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: for late night, late night viewing, it was entertaining. I 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: didn't get distracted. I thought it was a heck of 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 3: a game. And you know, uh, the Cardinals Sunny Ray 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: and this and the other relievers they took. They took 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: advantage of a Dodger's offense that has really been down, 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: I mean really been down, and so they did what 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: they had to do and they won the game, and 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: they scored three runs against good staff. I had fun watching. 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: That's all I have to say, you know, because there's 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: gonna be so many other things that we'll get into 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: today and the relatively brief time we have because you're 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: busy and I'm busy, but we love doing this. 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: It's you know, August. 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: I feel like as people think it's like such a 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: slow time because your post trade deadline, and it's kind 30 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: of true, but not really. 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I'm all over the place. 32 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: And speaking of all over the place, the Cardinals roster, 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: let's talk about it up at the Athletic broke it 34 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: down this morning. As the Cardinals turns us into twenty 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: twenty six, prioritizing playing time continues to be not a 36 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: coaching problem, not a manager problem, a roster construction problem. 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: And we saw this with Allie Marmel yesterday when he 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: was talking to reporters in Saint Louis, I said, Hey, 39 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: at the risk of being redundant, because I asked you 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: this question Saturday and Sunday, and I'm going to ask 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: you again today, why is this player not in your line? 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: And how are you balancing X y Z. 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: You can plug in any different player, whether it's Burlison, Herrera, Newbar, Walker, Gorman, 44 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: take your pick, and he essentially said, h that alec 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Bertlinsson has solidified himself in the everyday roster. Everyone else 46 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: there is going to have to be or in everyday lineup. 47 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: Excuse me, everybody else there is going to have to 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: be a rotation for the problem with that is that 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: no matter who you talk about, whether they are in 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: the lineup or not, whether again it's Walker or Gorman 51 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: or new Bar or Burlasson or Herrera, I can make 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: an argument, and I can see both sides as to 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: why they should be in the lineup and why they 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: should not be in the lineup. Which player it's coming 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: at the expensive Which player you want to see more of? 56 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: No matter what, there's an argument to be made for 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: all of these guys and not enough spots. And it 58 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: is a problem that the Cardinals are trying to find 59 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: the solution for. But there is no mathematical solution to 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: make this work. But that's the hand Ollie Marmel's been 61 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: del over the final eight weeks of the season. Bernie, 62 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't see how he does this here. It makes 63 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: everybody happy. 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: How do you no exactly. I mean, Olli isn't a 65 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: really difficult spot. And I know some Cardinals fans don't 66 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: like him, the don't want to hear, but it really 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: is true. And you know, we had Olli on with 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: us as we every Tuesday on KMOX, and we were 69 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 3: asking him about the lineup and the very same type 70 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: of conversation that you had with him yesterday, and he explained, 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: like how you know, for example, Burlston's not coming out 72 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: of the lineup. He's doing a great job. You know, 73 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: he's not going to like move him, move him out 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: or reduce his playing time. And with the other guys 75 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: that's more of a case by case basis. But to 76 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: your point, you know, the conclusion is there's just not 77 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: enough at bats to go around for all the people 78 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: that he would love to play every single day. Like 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: I'm one of the people that believes, look, the season's over. Competitively, 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 3: you got to play Jordan Walker every day, You got 81 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: to play Gorman every day. You got to get Gorman 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: in there, even against some left handed hitters pitchers. Sorry, 83 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: because this is a perfect time to do it. All 84 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, right, and now it sounds good. 85 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: It's easy for me to say, right, it sounds good, 86 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: but it's probably not realistic. And like Ali said today, 87 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: you know, pretty much whatever decision I make, you know 88 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: someone is going to be left out, and they're going 89 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: to be people you know, basically criticizing the decision, which 90 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: is okay, but you know what he was trying to say, 91 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: it's it's not. It's far from a perfect situation and 92 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: he's got to deal with it the best that he can. 93 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: And gosh, heinm bloom. Please please buddy, Well he's not 94 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: my buddy, but please can you clear up these log 95 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: dams and can you can you make some roster decisions 96 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: that's just going to kind of put this particular problem, 97 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: which has been a big problem, just to put it 98 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: behind them. They can't go on and they can't go 99 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: into another season like this. They just can't. 100 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: No, they can't. 101 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: And that's why I think I'm so intrigued by this 102 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: offseason because as we look at the current roster crunch, 103 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: this is not a problem regulated to the active roster 104 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: or the forty man triple A is barren with many 105 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: of the same type of players that we're seeing in 106 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: the active roster. I mean, look at it. The Cardinals 107 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: have Yvon Herrera and left field in a way because 108 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: they needed to alleviate the DH and try to have 109 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: more flexibility there. They're gonna try to play Nolan Gorman, 110 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: and Nolan Arnoto's absence will get to him every day. 111 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: But Nolan Gorman has looked stiff as a. 112 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: Word at the hot corner, but they need to play 113 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: him at third to open up more opportunity for other players. 114 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: By moving Herrera out of the DH every day, you 115 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of create that opportunity for Gorman, but you also 116 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: create a new problem because you're adding another corner outfielder 117 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: to a mix of corner outfielders, all of whom can't 118 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: play center field. So you move Herrera out of the DH, 119 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you're jamming up Burlison, 120 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: new bar Walker. 121 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: Those guys are just as important. 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: You can put new bar and Scott or a new 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: bar and center at the expense of Victor Scott, who 124 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: was the only true center fielder on the roster. And 125 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: if someone of the Cardinals want to build around regardless 126 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: of the slump like it doesn't work, and it's not 127 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: just the lineup that's going to be impacted it's the 128 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: entire roster. And that's why when heim Bloom comes in 129 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: in the off season, it will be so important for 130 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: him to start making moves and you know, actually creating 131 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: opportunity for playing guys and not just having the same 132 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: redundant roster we've seen for years now. I mean, it's 133 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: the problem. Every year, his work is cut out for him. 134 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: And we've said this before on this show. I don't 135 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: know what that's going to look like. We can maybe 136 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: draw some parallels to his time with Boston, but this 137 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: is an entirely different roster he's inheriting and Bernie. I 138 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: think if we have the opportunity to talk to him, 139 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: he would tell fans this is going to be a 140 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: lengthy process. This is no longer a reset. This is 141 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: a rebuild. And that's what fans need to hear, because 142 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: we'll say it. 143 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: That's what's going on right now. 144 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: You know, it's already started. I mean, this year basically 145 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: was the start of a rebuild. They can say runway, 146 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: but what is a rebuild. A rebuild is when you 147 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: give priority status to younger players at the expense of 148 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: maybe some veterans who just you have concluded or just 149 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: not that good, but they're going to take it to 150 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: the next level. And I keep saying rebuild is not 151 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: a dirty word, because no one to Katie, who's not 152 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: saying this. Bernie Michlss is not saying this. No one 153 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: of the Cardinals is saying this. O're gonna blow this 154 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: thing up. We're gonna blow up to smithereens. You won't 155 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: it'll be unrecognizable. No, they're not doing that. They don't 156 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: have to do that because there's enough. There's a there's 157 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: good talent. There's enough good talent, not great talent, but 158 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: there's enough good talent to work with and to build on. 159 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: But they just have to make really smart decisions. But listen, Katie, 160 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm telling you what you know. And 161 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: you've been around doing this since twenty twenty one. The 162 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: Cardinals reached the end of an era in the twenty 163 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: twenty two season. That was it. That was the end 164 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: of this era. It closes the whole book on you know, 165 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: Larusa Poolholes, Melina Wainwright, I mean, and all the other 166 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: great Cardinals that came before. Then that's over that. You 167 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: weren't gonna sustain it. It wasn't gonna happen. So at 168 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: some point at the end of this incredible era, you're 169 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: gonna have a come down. Now, the Cardinals deserve criticism 170 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: for letting some things happen. It shouldn't have gotten to 171 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: the point that it is. They shouldn't have neglected the 172 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: player development system that used to which used to be 173 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: their pride and joy. They shouldn't have made so many 174 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: bad spending decisions. I mean, they they forgot how to 175 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: develop pitchers, or they didn't try enough, they lost their 176 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: whatever their mojo they had, they lost it. So that 177 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: stuff's on them. But this idea that like a team 178 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: like the Cardinals, who even during their greatest times of winning. 179 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: You know, basically I looked this, I did the research 180 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: on this earlier this season. You know, underbuild the way 181 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: the Cardinals have averaged about number eleven in the rankings 182 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: in payroll, Right, They're never gonna spend with the Dodgers, 183 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: They're never gonna spend with the Mets, right, And the 184 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: thing of it is, but they won world championships, would 185 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: be able to spend the way that generally they've spent. 186 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: So my point is, and I'm not criticizing fans at all, 187 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: because fans can do what they want, but I'm just 188 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: saying it's really realistic. When the Cardinals have kind of 189 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: got themselves into this mess, they're gonna have to clean 190 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: them They're gonna have to dig their way out of it, 191 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: and they that will take time, and they've put off rebuilding. 192 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: This is basically the third year of rebuilding. They're already 193 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: three years into it. So my question of fans is 194 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 3: if you say, well, no, no, I don't want to 195 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: rebuild or whatever, Well, what do you want to continue 196 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: down this path and stay stuck in the middle where 197 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: you're like kind of, okay, maybe we'll get a wild 198 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: card spot? Is that what you want? No, They've they've 199 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: got to replant this thing and renovate this thing and 200 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: replenish this thing over time. It does not happen in 201 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: a season or two. But I don't know. I mean, 202 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: after this incredible success, you know, a few years of 203 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: being down, I mean, it ain't baseball hell, you know 204 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: what it is. It's absolutely necessary. 205 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: It is, and that's what fans want to hear. 206 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: And I can't speak for heinme bloom in his front office, 207 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: whatever that looks like, but I think there's an understanding 208 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: here that they need to nail the transparency. This fan 209 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: base knows what's going on, and that's why there is 210 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: such apathy around the team, even in the first half 211 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: of the season where they were competing, because they knew 212 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: what was going on, and the current front office could 213 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: not just be transparent and call it what it was. 214 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: They used every possible world word except rebuild, and it 215 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,119 Speaker 1: was never a tear down like it's okay to acknowledge 216 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: that over the last three years, Hey, we dropped the ball. 217 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: We have to get this right, and it's fair for 218 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: fans to say, how did this happen in the first place. 219 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: The organization should have been transparent instead of trying to 220 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: sweep it under the rug. I mean, you can't even 221 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: imagine what that end of season press conference would have 222 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: been last year if the problems in the organization weren't 223 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: so thoroughly exposed. Fans deserve transparency, and that's the first 224 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: test for this new front office in the heinm. Bloom 225 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: regime to come out an ace. They have to be 226 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: honest with what's going on here. Look, Bernie all Robert 227 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: the segment quickly. I knew in twenty twenty two when 228 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals had two MVP candidates, an actual MVP in 229 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Paul Goldschmidt Noll. 230 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: And are not to finished third that year Yaudie A. 231 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: Molina's last year, Albert Poohols was back, and not just 232 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: back but hitting seven hundred and at the deadline, the 233 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Cardinals got Jordan Montgomery and Jose Cantana and those were 234 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: good trades. 235 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what they did. 236 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: That's what they did, and they were a division champion. 237 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: They were built offensively to last and the only thing 238 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the Cardinals did was bolster in quotes their rotation with 239 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: two middle of the rotation arms. I knew at that 240 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: trade deadline this was not an organization that saw a 241 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: future of competitive and they were going to try their 242 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: best to do so. 243 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: But the riding was on the wall at that trade deadline. 244 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, and I'll just really quickly 245 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: throw this in because I talked about it on one 246 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: of my videos, because you and I are absolutely on 247 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 3: the same page these Heim Bloom has got to move 248 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: away from what the Cardinals have been trying to do 249 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: but trying to convince their fans, oh no, no, no, no, 250 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: we're trying to be competitive. Hey, we we're we think 251 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: we can get in the playoffs. These fans want the truth. 252 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: They may not like the truth, but they need to 253 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: hear it. They these fans do not deserve to be 254 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: talked to straightforward, no bs, this is what the plan is. 255 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: We ask for your patients. When we come through it, 256 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: we're going to be better because of it. And you know, 257 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: the last thing, oh my gosh, the worst thing Heim 258 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: Bloom would do, and I believe he's a lot smarter 259 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: than this is to come out and kind of recycle 260 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 3: the do a remix of the best of Mozilla. You know, 261 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: you know, you know, yeah, like you don't you don't 262 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 3: want to do you don't want to do like, well, 263 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: here's I'm Bloom doing a cover version of the best 264 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: of John Mozalak. No, you don't want that. Right. They 265 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: have to have a great message, and it's got to 266 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: be an honest message. And I think a lot of 267 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: fans will say at least they're being straight with me now. 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 3: And I can get behind this if I see progress, 269 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: if you see guys like JJ Weatherholt waiting in the 270 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: wings and Liam Doyle and Quinn Matthews and some other people, right, 271 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: and if you make some trades and you clear up 272 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: these log jams, and you you find some young starting pitching, 273 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: you develop your own starting pitching. They I'm not saying 274 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 3: they're gonna fill Bush Stadium as soon as they see 275 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: some progress, because so much damage has been done to 276 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: this franchise. But you've got to begin the process of 277 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 3: renewing this brand and this competitive product. You've got to 278 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: renew it and renew well, you know, isn't done like overnight. 279 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 3: So I am one percent endorse what the Cardinals are 280 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: doing because I've been hollering that it's overdue and it's 281 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: absolutely necessary. 282 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: Agreed. Bernie claps all around. 283 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: Hey, quick message for our sponsor here at Bilt Rewards 284 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: and then we'll get into our next Nolan Aronado segment. 285 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: I know he's been a hot topic for a lot. 286 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: Do you fancy stick with us? 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Join Built dot com slash foul go. 306 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: All right, as we know, Prior to this Sokow Swing 307 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: road trip, Nolan Arnata was placed on the ten dail 308 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: with the right shoulder strain. Still no update as to 309 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: what that looks like. I imagine the Cardinals will have 310 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: more information when we get back to Bush Stadium on 311 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: Friday for a three series homestand I believe it is 312 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Cubs Rockies Yankee, so that'll be a big one. 313 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: Yankee is going through it right now. But Brnolan Arnaudo. 314 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a player who would be the 315 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: first to say this was not how he thought twenty 316 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: twenty five was going to go down for him personally, 317 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: and he has done an exceptional job of wearing it publicly. 318 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: Saying the right things, being a good teammate. 319 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: I know that he's not exactly like He's never been 320 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: that type of rally behind you leader. He leads by 321 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: how he plays, and when he's not playing well, he 322 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: takes that to heart. The offense does not look good. 323 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: I believe the shoulder played into that, especially in July 324 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: when he comes back, because I don't think this is 325 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: an injury that's going to sideline him for the rest 326 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: of the season. 327 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: What are the Cardinals going to do with him? 328 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: Bernie, you had a really good conversation with Olie Marmel 329 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: today on KMOX about the Nolan Arnatto situation. 330 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: What's the manager thinking here? 331 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: You know, I thought that Olly needed to address this 332 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: because people like me have been running our mouths about 333 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: the situation because it is a terrible situation for a 334 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: manager of a baseball team. You have a future Hall 335 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: of Fame player. Listen, we all know that Nolan Arenado 336 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: his best years are behind him. He's in a steep decline. 337 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: The power's gone. I mean, it's this is not going 338 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: to get any better. It just isn't. And he's going 339 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: to be it's gonna be thirty five next year, thirty 340 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: six the season after that. He still plays good defense, 341 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: but some of the metrics indicate even that has kind 342 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: of slipped a little bit. And the Cardinals also have 343 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,239 Speaker 3: players that they want to play, like where's JJ Weatherholt 344 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: going to go? And he's an infielder because no matter 345 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: where you deploy him, someone else is going to have 346 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: to move. You know, how do they possibly accommodate Nolan 347 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: Aarnado and give him five hundred and five hundred and 348 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 3: fifty plate appearances and also play the young guys in 349 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: a rebuild situation? Right? They can't. So I just thought, 350 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: I said to Oli asaid, I mean, I just think 351 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 3: people want to hear you explain this because you're in 352 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: a tough spot. And what he said, and I didn't 353 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: write it all down, but I would encourage people to 354 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: go to you know, kmox or go to the YouTube 355 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: channel and you can listen to what he said about it. 356 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 3: But he basically said, uh, while he's here, Aaronato. While 357 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: he's here, he needs to play. And Oli made it 358 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: very clear, very clear that he will play. Like it's 359 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 3: not going to be like, no, hey Nolan, we got 360 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: to put you on the bench, we got to play Gorman, 361 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: we got to find out if he can play their base. 362 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: You know, it's not going to happen. And he said, look, 363 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: he said, this guy's a Hall of Fame player, he 364 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: is a team leader. He's a leader of our team. 365 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: He's one of the most highly respected baseball players out there. 366 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: He will play. Now, people have to understand something, you know, 367 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: because it's easy for me to say, well, this is 368 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: a ridiculous situation. He can't play because you won't be 369 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: that much, because you won't be able to there's no 370 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: point in a rebuild if he is stuck at third base. 371 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: But the point is is, even though you know, I 372 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: would say to Ali Marble like, well, it's okay to 373 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: say no, you can say that you're not going to 374 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: play as much. Okay, It's easy for Brenie Michlis to 375 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: say he's he's the guy you know that has to 376 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: run the team. As I told as I said afterwards 377 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: when we were reviewing all this I said, Listen, the 378 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: Nolan Arenado problem must be solved at a level higher 379 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 3: than and above Ali marml. That has to be done 380 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: at the heind Bloom level and the Build de Witt level. 381 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: And it's going to lead to one way or the other. 382 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 3: It's going to cost the Cardinals a lot of money. 383 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: They're going to either just about pay you know, maybe 384 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: seventy five percent of what's left if some team wants them, 385 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: or Build de Witt is going to have to step up, 386 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: and he's going to have to say, in effect, well 387 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: we have to we have to start this rebuild. So 388 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: let's just pay up. Let's just give him all the 389 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: money over to him, and then we'll thank him and 390 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. That's the only way this ends. Because seriously, Katie, 391 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: what you know this man, I'm talking to somebody who 392 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: knows this very very well. There's no peaceful way out. 393 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: You're not You're not going to get a team that's 394 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: going to take him on in this terrible decline he's in. 395 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 3: And and you know, for you know, assume forty two 396 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: million guaranteed money the next two years. It's just not 397 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: going to happen. And they would want him for those 398 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: defense but it's like, well, do we want to pay 399 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: forty two million dollars for defense? 400 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: Uh? 401 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 3: Probably not. So this thing will not end well. There 402 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: won't be a happy ending, is what I'm trying to say. 403 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: But I think this gets back to the transparency issue. 404 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: The Cardinals can't They just can't do this thing. Hein 405 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 3: Bloom can't do this thing where they're going to come 406 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: out and try to put a positive spin on it 407 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: when there really isn't a positive sp Now Ali can 408 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: because he has a different job, but there's no way 409 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: the math. The math works. If Nolan Audo is Nolan 410 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: Aarnado is at third base for one hundred and thirty 411 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: hundred and forty hundred and forty five game does work. 412 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: I think you're spot on, And this is not a 413 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: John Mosella decision, is not a Heigh Bloom decision. It's 414 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: a build a Web Junior decision. It's a money decision. 415 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: And that's why there was such a hard time for 416 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals when they tried to trade Arnatto over last 417 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: off season. The Astros deal. The reason why the Astros 418 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: deal was perfect from the Cardinal's perspective, not the player 419 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: perspective was because Houston was willing to eat a significant 420 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: amount of money. And then when Arnauda declined, what did 421 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: the Ashtros do? They turned around and committed three years 422 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: and sixty million dollars to Christian Walker, which was at 423 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: that point in time, roughly about the exact same money 424 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: that Arnatto was o for the remainder of his contract. 425 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: So they were willing to pay the money. 426 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: And that's why there was so much frustration internally because 427 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: John Mozelok is no idiot. He knew no other team 428 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: was going to match the money and his primary goal 429 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: objective from his boss because yes, he I know we 430 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: are frustrated with mo He has a boss too, sure, 431 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: and his boss gave him very clear orders. And he'll 432 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: never say this, but we can that it needed the 433 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: money needed to go with him. It wasn't about the return. 434 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: It was about taking as much of the money off 435 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: the books. The Cardinals no longer have that luxury to 436 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: be picky if they want to do this rebuild the 437 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: right way, and they want to do right by this player, 438 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer who they convinced to sign 439 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: his final opt out clause and did nothing to build 440 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: the club after that, right, they need to move on 441 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: from him. It's the best thing for all parties involved. 442 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: It is a sad way for Nolan Arnaudo to go 443 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: out of Saint Louis. I mean, I think everyone, including himself, 444 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: had so much higher hopes for what this team would 445 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: look like, for what his performance would look like. And 446 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to discredit him. In twenty twenty two 447 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: he finished third in NL MVP voting. You know, multiple 448 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: All Star, multiple Gold Glove that the organization did not 449 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: build behind him for So the best thing for this 450 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: ownership group to do is cut their losses, embrace the rebuild, 451 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: eat the money, do right by the player. That I 452 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: think is going to be one of the first things 453 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: that the new front office takes over in the off season. 454 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: It's what a great I'm sorry when a great player 455 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: goes into decline. And I've been through this in my 456 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: career as a media observer. It's never pretty, it's never easy, 457 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: it's often ugly. It's just what are you going to do? 458 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I won't go over we don't have time 459 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: people one would be bored with my old stories anyway. 460 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: But any here's the deal. So they have to just 461 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: accept that this is the reality and they can't duck it, 462 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: because if they duck it, then you're going to go 463 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: to fans and say, look, we want your patients. We're 464 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: going to come out of this in a better way. 465 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: You know, we're going to we're going to rebuild. We're 466 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: really excited about the opportunity to do this. And then 467 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 3: you have Nolan Aronado. They're hitting you know, two twenty 468 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: with a three thirty eight slugging percentage or whatever. It 469 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: just no, it would contradict the message they want to 470 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: send this offseason. So Build the WIT's got to step 471 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: up and let me just throw this in here really quick. 472 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: So I did some research. First of all, let's remember 473 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: something when we say, well, it's a lot of money 474 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 3: for building. First of all, Bill has it, he'll be okay. 475 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: But when they made the trade with Colorado, Build a 476 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 3: Wit personally negotiated the financial terms with Charlie Montfort, the 477 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: Rockies owner, and Build de Witt got the Rockies to 478 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: send about fifty one million dollars to Saint Louis to 479 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 3: defray the cost of the remaining contract fifty one million. 480 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: So you got you've got Ironato at a discounted price 481 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: anyway to begin with right and then build the WIT. 482 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: Through the years, it's never been anything this big, but 483 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: I added something up. They've had like six or seven 484 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 3: players that are sunken cost players where they you know, 485 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 3: they traded Dexter Valor, they traded Mike Leak and they 486 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 3: ate money to do so, but there were other guys 487 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: that they just released and they ate the money. So 488 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: the sunken costs. I figured this out build a WITT 489 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: as the owner, and this is just the minimal amount. 490 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: There's probably more. He is. He has basically signed off 491 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: on fifty million dollars of sunken costs on players that 492 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: they wanted to get rid of. So it's not like 493 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 3: he hasn't done this before. I just think, and I 494 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 3: know you agree, it's really an urgent time to do 495 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: it again. And yeah, if it's going to be a 496 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: bigger amount, too bad, too bad. 497 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: The most urgent time was to do it over the 498 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: off season. 499 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it needs to happen now. 500 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: And listen, I'm not talking Nolan Arnado. He got the 501 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: no protection, notarde protection for a reason. But I've had 502 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: some fans say, like, I really feel sorry for him. 503 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: I feel bad for him that they didn't build around him. 504 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: I also feel bad for him and Goldschmidt. Four years together, 505 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: not one playoff victory. And by the way, those two 506 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: guys didn't do much correct. You know, they were pretty 507 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: bad in the postseason during their four years together. But 508 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 3: I can't sit here and say I really can't. I'm 509 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 3: not a heartless guy, but I can't sit here and say, ah, 510 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: poor Nolan Aronauto. Listen, he had a chance to get out, 511 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 3: and he had a chance to get to a good team, 512 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: and their general manager tried to tell them, no, no, no, no, 513 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: you're misreading the Tucker trade that our owner's not like this. 514 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: Our owner wants to win. We've got a lot of talent, 515 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 3: We're gone for it. We're going to bring in other 516 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: and you know, hourn Auto had the right to do it. 517 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, I can't have a pity 518 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 3: party for him. He had his ticket out of the 519 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: situation to go to a better team and he turned 520 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: it down. 521 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 2: Hey, say what you want about Jim Crane. That's an 522 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: owner who wants to win. Yea. 523 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a mess for the Arnauda situation. I hopefully 524 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: will have an injury update for him. Again, this is 525 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: just my speculation, but I do think we'll see him 526 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: in a Cardinal uniform and at some point before the 527 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: end of the season, and then after that. 528 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: It's and I. 529 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Mean this with all the respects for someone who I've 530 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: covered since day one in Saint Louis has been nothing 531 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: but a total pro. 532 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: It's time to go. 533 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: Quick message from our partners at Draft came. 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From there, 566 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: I'm excited for Wednesday's game because shoe Hey is pitching 567 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: and you guys know, I love school Tony, and then 568 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: a mush sheeted off day for everybody involved before the 569 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: Cubs come back and to Bush Stadium and we kick 570 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: off the dog days of summer. The dog days of 571 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: Summer do span from the last the day after the 572 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: trade deadline to like when rosters expand. For us here 573 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, the dog Kayes are going to expand 574 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: until the final game with the regular season. It is 575 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: what it is, Bernie. Anything you got cooking that you 576 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: want fans to read, No. 577 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: I just I've direct everyone to go to STL Sports Central. 578 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: I got columns, I've got videos. Also check me out 579 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 3: on the Gas House Gang and Redbird, Rush Hour and 580 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: Sports on a Sunday morning on Camoax, Singing Red Podcasts 581 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 3: with Will Leach and of course working with the great 582 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: Katie Woo a couple of times on Cardinal Territory. So 583 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 3: that that's it. 584 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: He's a bit popular demand. 585 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: I stay in this office all day. Every now and 586 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: then there's a quiet knock on the door and my 587 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: wife will like, bring in like a tray. You know. 588 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like basically like a prisoner, you know. 589 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: It's what they do, Like they slide it in like, 590 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 3: here's your food. 591 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: You know, we are all prisoners to Cardinals Baseball. 592 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone, you can visit the Cardinal Territory shop dot 593 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: com for your first look at our new merch. 594 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: I said it on the last show. I'll repeat it. 595 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: We are so so close to five thousand subscribers. 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I'll 601 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: be back with you at some point later this week. 602 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm actually off for the CUB series after the trade deadline. 603 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: I was very thankful to get the off day plus 604 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: three more so I won't be boots on the ground 605 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: after the LA series, but I'll be back at bus 606 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: Stadium on next Monday. 607 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: Bernie. 608 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll see you soon. Thanks to always watching Territory guys. 609 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: See you next week.