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Speaker 2: Strong and getty, one more thing.

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Speaker 1: You put back on the right track by stern judges.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us before we get to that. Do you

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Speaker 2: understand the new kickoff rules for the NFL, which the

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Speaker 1: I did at one point I read about them, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think you probably do or did, because I

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Speaker 2: just read this interview with a whole bunch of coaches

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Speaker 2: and they don't understand it, and they don't have any

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Speaker 2: idea how it's going to work out. Each team has

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Speaker 2: kind of got their own plans on how to deal

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Speaker 2: with the rules. Nobody's doing it in preseason. Nobody's like

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Speaker 2: implementing their plan. They're not because they don't want to

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Speaker 2: show people what their plan is until real game situations,

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Speaker 2: and so both the offense and the defense aren't really

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Speaker 2: doing what they plan to do in games with the

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Speaker 2: new kickoff thing. Before I get to that quickly, last

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Speaker 2: year the league had the lowest rate of return in

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Speaker 2: with only a little over a fifth of kicks run

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and usually that's a mistake.

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Speaker 2: For instance, back in twenty ten, eighty percent of kicks

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Speaker 2: were returned. So we went from eighty percent not that

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Speaker 2: of kicks being returned. And I thought, well, that's not good,

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Speaker 2: do you just because otherwise, what's kicking? It's nothing, it's

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Speaker 2: just an exercise. We might as well just right. It's

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Speaker 2: hard for mel It's like a ceremony. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 2: part of the game. Yeah. So the new one, I

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Speaker 2: just read it through and I don't quite understand it.

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Speaker 2: Unlike previous kickoffs, it came alive when the kickers foot

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Speaker 2: struck the ball. The action begins. Now not until the

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Speaker 2: kickoff is touched or hits the turf in the landing zone,

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Speaker 2: which is a particular area which extends from the goal

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Speaker 1: Exactly what the XFL has been doing or whatever alterna

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Speaker 2: So you have to land the ball in that area. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: are are most NFL kicker is able to do that?

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Speaker 2: Put it somewhere between the goal line and the twenty

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Speaker 2: just trying to kick it clear out, click, clear off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the sanction for busting it through the goal post?

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Speaker 2: I can't remember they poking the eye. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the sanction is.

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Speaker 3: It's odd that'd be entertaining.

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Speaker 2: And any kick that doesn't reach the landing landing zone

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Speaker 2: so that's quite the penalty. Wow, you don't want to

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Speaker 2: You don't want to have them starting at the forty,

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Speaker 2: so you'd really want to make sure your kicker can

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Speaker 2: land it in the landing zone. Anyway, I was reading

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Speaker 2: he's gone is now in LA as you know, and

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Speaker 2: he and a whole bunch of other coaches say, no,

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Speaker 2: we haven't shown what we're planning to do on both

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's different. Like I say, the alternate

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Speaker 1: League's been doing this for a while. I've seen video

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Speaker 2: But the idea of having that, the idea of having

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Speaker 2: opposed to and the kickoffs, so the end zone, they'll

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Speaker 1: Hardly worth watching. Absolutely, Yeah, you know there's something else

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the brilliance of competition. That's what happens

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Speaker 1: There was a time when American automakers were so lazy

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Speaker 2: Cars were crap. Absolutely, you missed that occasion made him better.

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Speaker 2: I had a Ford Mustang. Could not have been a

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Speaker 4: Okay, So my dad for the longest time, and well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're from a certain era. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: story as well. I believe his honor of the judge.

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Speaker 1: A teenager on a field trip to see a Detroit

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Speaker 1: the sixteen year old girl should be taking a juvenile detention.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, she's part of a visit organized by the

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Speaker 1: Greening of Detroit, a nonprofit environmental group. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: it's probably more just education in general. But you notice

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Speaker 1: fall asleep in my courtroom. One more time, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put you in back, understood, judge said. According to a

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't just the falling the sleep, uh no, No. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: probably smart ass attitude and everything like that, because sometimes

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Speaker 1: Maybe the kid is up all night taking care of

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Speaker 2: The lawyers are just with their blah blah blah. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, said his honor. I'll do whatever needs

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Speaker 1: The group of students should simply have been asked to

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Speaker 1: The judge said, I wonder her to look. I wanted

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Speaker 3: Teach her a lesson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that sort of thing. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a great idea. I mean, if you had a coup,

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Speaker 1: take out a night stick and give her a few licks,

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Speaker 1: all right, that would be too much. Yeah, just scared,

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Speaker 1: the idea of no, no, you come into my courtroom.

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Speaker 1: This is a different world than you've ever been in, sweetheart.

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Speaker 2: Hey, no joke, A joke.

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Speaker 4: I think when I was either a freshman or a

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Speaker 3: They were all guys.

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Speaker 4: Well okay, it was like three girls and like nine guys,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Dad.

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Speaker 3: Dad, Yeah, I was the real cool kid that day.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you. We're all sitting there. My dad's

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Speaker 4: And there's this one particular guy named dB who my

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Speaker 4: They still argue about it. My dad put him through

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Speaker 4: for Alameda County in California, and he is totally My

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Speaker 4: parents went to his wedding.

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Speaker 3: He was at my wedding. He's family now.

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Speaker 4: So dB was there and he had this stack of

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Speaker 2: And he's going and killed in peeing accidents.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, peeing incidents.

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Speaker 4: And he went up to one of my friends and

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Speaker 3: So I come to your house.

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Speaker 4: I kick your door down, and I'm telling you give me,

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Speaker 3: I'm coming in there, and your house is mine. Now

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Speaker 4: Trying to show him that, you know, my friend wasn't

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Speaker 3: The next thing I know.

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Speaker 4: He's like, you guys obviously aren't getting it, and he

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Speaker 4: of them were crying.

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Speaker 3: It was it was an experience.

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Speaker 4: But I will tell you none of those friends got

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Speaker 4: in trouble with the law, not one of them.

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Speaker 1: Were you there in the cells with ne'er Dowell's or

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Speaker 4: No apartments had their own holding areas for the trials

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Speaker 4: but we were we were up there. They closed it,

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Speaker 4: they locked it, and they showed.

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Speaker 2: Us they'd give you a feeling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, lots of feelings. Yeah, we had. There were

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Speaker 4: some tears. There was one of the girls was so upset.

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Speaker 4: She was trying to get somebody to call her dad,

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Speaker 4: who was out, you know, out in the waiting area.

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Speaker 4: But those scared straight programs, when done properly, work sure.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know, work really well well.

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Speaker 1: And even if they work on ten percent of the kids,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of kids who will have their future saved. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was during the homecoming football game, okay, And we

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Speaker 2: Took Yeah, so it was ha ha ha ha. Isn't

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Speaker 4: They found out it really wasn't because they got in

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Speaker 4: and we all got roped into it. I'm thankful for it,

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Speaker 2: You, I rarely did anything wrong, but that that teenager

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Speaker 2: desire to like break a rule and it's just so

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Speaker 1: Again, it's a rite of passage, establishing your independence. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you figure out what to do with that independence,

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Speaker 1: and you realize pissing on schools is probably not at

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Speaker 4: It was so dumb, It was so dumb, and they

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Speaker 4: thought it was the funniest damn thing they'd ever done.

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Speaker 1: So just the experience of being locked in a cage

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was the mixture of dB telling his story and

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Speaker 4: if you want to go down this road where you

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Speaker 3: You what it's really like.

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Speaker 4: DB's I think he's like six ' four, like two

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Speaker 4: seventy five.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's huge.

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Speaker 4: And everybody that went into it came out with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing, is you man, It's good

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Speaker 2: to find that out before you get to a I've

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Speaker 2: had this conversation with people I know a juvenile hall

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Speaker 2: think you're kind of naughty and bad and tough and

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Speaker 2: not scared of much until you're around some really, really

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Speaker 2: have to get there. Eh, isn't on the wallet? Homecoming?

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Speaker 2: Quick question? Quick question for Katie.

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Speaker 1: So, with your dad being a judge, was he more

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Speaker 3: More strict?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got pulled over once and I was not

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to go home and explain this.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a gabble at the dinner table? Well,

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Speaker 2: a big good pound on the table.

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Speaker 3: He didn't need one, just him.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.