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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and a CBS you gov poll has

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Speaker 1: Trump at his lowest approval rating of thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Senator

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Speaker 1: Bill Cassidy losing his Senate seat and what it means

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Speaker 1: for trumps support. Ben We'll talk to Assemblyman Michael Lasher

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Speaker 1: about why he thinks he's the candidate to choose in

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Speaker 1: New York twelfth's crowded congressional race. But first the News.

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Speaker 2: Molly that this was a really good article on NBC News.

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Speaker 2: It's entailed what GOP officials are hopeful and worried about

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Speaker 2: six months from the mid terms, because I think we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so b, It's actually a really smart way to go.

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Speaker 1: NBC News no longer a part of MS now loved

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Speaker 1: them anyway. NBC News spoke to roughly thirty Republican National

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Speaker 1: Committee members and GOP activists around the country. We saw

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Speaker 1: Politico Playbook did this the other day where they talked

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Speaker 2: That felt more like spin. This felt a little more honest.

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Speaker 1: And you know why it's honest because you're not getting

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Speaker 1: anyone's names, Whereas with James Blair from the White House,

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Speaker 1: And so they said they see reason for optimism, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and what is that optimism? They think there's optimism because

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Speaker 1: everybody who does use their name does actually say that

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Speaker 1: everything's going to be right. Who is delivering real results

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Speaker 1: for the American people? Says Joseph would char Of, the

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Speaker 1: chair of the Arkansas Republican Party. President Trump's administration has

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Speaker 1: already run circles around failed President Biden. Okay, Joseph, I

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Speaker 1: want whatever you're smoking, you know. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: because the redistricting, they might win, which is what we

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Speaker 1: the Iranian War, and there's been a real divide between

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Speaker 1: America Firsters and Trumpy Trumpers. So that's a real split

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Speaker 1: for them, you know, and Trump has been like a

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Speaker 2: Yep, we saw Governor Jared Poulis, who, while they have

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Speaker 1: So the governor of Colorado. Jared Paulis is going to

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Speaker 1: some minor thing, right, she tried. Trump had wanted him

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Speaker 1: seems like a really dicey moment for American democracy, and

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Speaker 1: She could in fact take this to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: So interesting thing. You know, when Trump first got into office,

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Speaker 1: Some of these really dumb ideas. It's funny because Alligator

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Speaker 2: So this is giving Putin's Russia grafted a real run

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's what we call fraud, waste and abuse.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps you've heard of it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's familiar. Why does it suff

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I think Just Dance is

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Speaker 1: My memoir, How to Lose Your Mother is out now

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Speaker 1: Fast How are you Oh? Every day is another day

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Speaker 3: Fun, bridal, joy and pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Everything Trump touches die. Now it has.

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Speaker 3: Been said to be the case that everything Trump touches dies.

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Speaker 1: And the Louisiana Primary edition so amazing that Saturday Louisiana

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Speaker 1: we have Bill Cassidy. He votes to confirm RFK Junior

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Speaker 4: in every axis. But Molly, he still has a hypnotic

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Speaker 4: Correct, these people, these Republicans, you can make one of

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Speaker 4: mean this, just this week, You've got Lauren Bobert. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I don't even know Molly. It could be anything. I mean,

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. I think Cassidy will look a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a libertarian Ron Paul like tradition of wrong

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Trump is saying, oh, we're on a We're on

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Speaker 3: Look, the number one thing that Donald Trump wants, number

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Speaker 4: Seat if if, if he takes a lot of political

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Speaker 4: to punish him to prove that if you cross Trump

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Speaker 4: Van's game of mister President. You're so right, And I

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Speaker 1: Right, But it is interesting to watch like this administration

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Speaker 1: called when you're when you do it that way? Recision recision, right,

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Speaker 1: the recisions package package. So there's recision package. It's meant

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Speaker 3: On the ballroom.

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Speaker 4: Mike Lawler comes out front and center on the ballroom.

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Speaker 1: He really went pro ballroom.

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Speaker 1: Right Trump? And whenever you get Trump talking, he's like,

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Speaker 5: I just think about yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like do you And even like even when he talks

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Speaker 1: about the war, he says like, don't worry, it's not

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Speaker 1: nearly as long as Vietnam.

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Speaker 4: Like Vietnam, you know, the super popular Vietnam war.

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Speaker 1: It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not as long as

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just completely like at every point he

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Speaker 1: just does what is the thing a strategist would tell

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Speaker 1: him to do? I mean, do you think? And we

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Speaker 1: have the gas prices, so tell me what you think.

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Speaker 1: The movie Pharaohs look.

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Speaker 4: For Democrats to move is to absolutely continue to hammer

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Speaker 4: their Republican counterparts and opponents on the economy. People do

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Speaker 4: not trust Trump on the economy anymore, and that includes

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Speaker 4: a majority of Republicans now think Trump's doing a bad

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Speaker 4: job on the economy. Folks, they still love him on

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Speaker 4: foreign policy. Why who knows, but they I think because

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Speaker 4: Iran is like their foreign policy version of Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 4: They just hated it for so long that it's automatic.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Good, I'll take it.

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Speaker 4: But I think what's really happening underneath the waterline is

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Speaker 4: that is that Democrats have a golden opportunity. Stay on target,

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Speaker 4: do not walk away from the target. The target is

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Speaker 4: the target. It's the economy. This is crazy. Trump is

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Speaker 4: hurting you. Republicans are with them one hundred percent. We're

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Speaker 4: going to change it and make your life better. It's

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Speaker 4: an easy narrative and they just need to stick with it.

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Speaker 4: Nobody cares about anything else right now now. People out

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Speaker 4: in the country, all the list of issues that may

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Speaker 4: have merit on their own are not in the top

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Speaker 4: ten or even fifteen issues. If you look at the

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Speaker 4: top ten or fifteen issues, it's the economy. It's against inflation,

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Speaker 4: gas prices, food prices, you know, economic uncertainty, the feeling

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Speaker 4: the country is on the wrong track, right track, wrong

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Speaker 4: track is always a really powerful indicator, and even Republicans

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Speaker 4: think we're on the wrong track. Democrats and independents think

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Speaker 4: we're on the wrong track in the eighty percent range.

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Speaker 1: And the group that he's really lost, which he cannot

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Speaker 1: which I think is the biggest red flag, are the

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Speaker 1: Republican leaning indies.

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Speaker 4: That is correct, You have a lot of those, are

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Speaker 4: the some of the people that are the Lincoln Project's

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Speaker 4: primary voter target. You go after soft Republicans and conservative

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Speaker 4: leaning independents. Those people are gone. Last year around this time,

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Speaker 4: they were about two to one against Trump's policies but

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Speaker 4: still neutral on him. Now they are three to one

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Speaker 4: against his policies and two to one against him.

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Speaker 3: He has lost that group. It is cooked, and there's

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Speaker 3: not a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of There aren't a lot of options for Trump

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Speaker 4: to get them back.

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Speaker 3: You know. The one thing he's going to try in

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Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks is suspension.

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Speaker 1: The gas tax, oh eighteen cents and a half.

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Speaker 4: That ain't gonna work. Chiefly, it's not going to bring

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Speaker 4: those indies back.

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Speaker 1: And I mean the gas tax is an amazing opportunity

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Speaker 1: for her Democrats because all these Republicans have said, like

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Speaker 1: do not suspend the gas tax. Right, and now they're like,

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Speaker 1: we should suspend the gas tax, you know what?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Democrats if they just stick with

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Speaker 4: the most profound weapon they've been given for twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: This economy has Americans on the verge of panic. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they are absolutely freaked out every day. And when Trump

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Speaker 4: goes out and says, look at my beautiful ballroom and

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Speaker 4: look at my beautiful arch and look at my reflecting pool,

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Speaker 4: they're seeing, oh god, I can't pay the more if

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Speaker 4: I'm also going to pay the pay.

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Speaker 3: The gas bill this month.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're they're in a state of economic panic and

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Speaker 4: Trump is And this is one of those things where

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Speaker 4: you know that Trump has kind of lost his mojo.

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Speaker 4: Trump would have gotten this five years ago. He would

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Speaker 4: have pivoted already on this five years ago. Now the

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Speaker 4: only thing that sort of makes him do something different

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Speaker 4: is the bond market.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was actually thinking about that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: The way in which I see him having lost his

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Speaker 1: step is when people when he comes out and does

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Speaker 1: the bulls prays and they, you know, he says, you

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Speaker 1: know that that, You know, what do you what do

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Speaker 1: you say to people? That question was what do you

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Speaker 1: say to people about the gas prizes? And he was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think about that at all. All I think

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Speaker 1: about is whether the Iranians will have a nuke? And

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Speaker 1: like that is It just was never message, It was

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Speaker 1: never clear. And the American people don't find it scary.

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Speaker 4: No, they don't find it scary, they don't find it convincing.

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Speaker 4: And and and again we have heard the drum beat

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Speaker 4: from trum and a group of Republicans for and I

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Speaker 4: used to be one of them, that Iran having a

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Speaker 4: nuclear weapon was an absolutely global game changer. But you

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Speaker 4: know what really was the global game changer Iran taking

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Speaker 4: control of the straight or hormones because of what Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump did. That has given iron more power in the

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Speaker 4: global economy without a nuclear weapon than they would have

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Speaker 4: had with one. And that is directly one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: a Donald Trump decision. And he has not stopped them

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Speaker 4: from having a nuclear weapon. They may get one after all.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, and supposedly that reporting we saw that contradicts

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Speaker 1: everything the administration said, is that they are in much

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Speaker 1: better shape than the administration said they were.

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Speaker 4: And then and now they've got China well ready for them,

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Speaker 4: to rebuild their military for them.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that China trip could have been an email.

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Speaker 4: That China trip could have been a signal message. What

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Speaker 4: a disaster. He got rolled. He was insulted over and

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Speaker 4: over again in ways that the Chinese understood, but he

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Speaker 4: didn't because he's a child. But also deeply embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: If you're one of those billionaires who went with him,

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Speaker 1: what are you thinking, like, do you hitch your wag

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Speaker 1: into this quote unquote story.

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Speaker 3: This is the guy, this is your guy, this is

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Speaker 3: the guy.

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Speaker 4: You're going You're gonna live or die by economically going forward.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, it's rough.

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Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast.

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Speaker 1: MICHAEH Lasher represents New York State Assembly District sixty nine

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Speaker 1: and is a candidate for Congress in New York's twelfth

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Speaker 1: congressional district. Welcome, Welcome, Michah.

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Speaker 5: Glad to be here. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're running in this congressional race. It is the district

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Speaker 1: I live in. You are the candidate who has all

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Speaker 1: the endorsements, right, you're the candidate that you got the

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Speaker 1: former Congressman Jerry Nadler who's endorsed k you have Mike Bloomberg,

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Speaker 1: who a lot of us who live in this district

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Speaker 1: hold in pretty high esteem that his presidential run did

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Speaker 1: not didn't do it for You are the candidate that

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Speaker 1: most of the sort of establishment has gotten behind.

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Speaker 6: Why, well, again, thanks for having me. Look, I've worked

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Speaker 6: hand in hand with a lot of these folks on

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Speaker 6: tough and important issues going back a lot of years,

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Speaker 6: and so I think that there is a sense that

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Speaker 6: this is an important seat and they want to know

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Speaker 6: that whoever is going to be in the seat knows

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Speaker 6: what they're doing and is going to be member of

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Speaker 6: Congress that can be effective in a way that reflects

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Speaker 6: the sort of the intellectual capital and creative capital and

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Speaker 6: kind of power of this district. And I think they

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Speaker 6: know me and they have faith that I can be

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Speaker 6: that be that congressman.

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Speaker 1: And so when who lives in this district, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a district that now there was not a fundraising

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Speaker 1: powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination. He was more

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Speaker 1: of a very sort of like left the nineteen sixties

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, he came from a world that

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Speaker 1: has changed so much in the very long time he

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Speaker 1: was in Congress. So I wonder what you think it

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Speaker 1: would mean what your goal would be to be the

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Speaker 1: congressman from this district. How might that change look?

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Speaker 5: I think that certainly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the world the district has changed a lot in

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Speaker 6: thirty four years. But I think throughout it all, Jerry

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Speaker 6: certainly represented a very cerebral member of Congress. I think

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Speaker 6: someone that people when he took a position on issue,

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Speaker 6: had carried a certain weight, particularly in progressive circles and

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Speaker 6: in the Caucus. So I think that you know, at

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Speaker 6: this moment in time, this district, certainly the people's district

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Speaker 6: want someone who is going to contribute to the fight

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Speaker 6: in an outsize way against Trump and trump Ism. They

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Speaker 6: want a member of Congress who isn't just going to

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Speaker 6: vote the right way who's but who is really going

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Speaker 6: to be a leader in the in the resistance. And

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Speaker 6: I think they want someone who's going to be legislatively

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Speaker 6: creative and effective. Again, more than just your average one

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Speaker 6: of four hundred and thirty five. I think the expectation

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Speaker 6: is that whoever is representing the center of the universe,

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Speaker 6: at least in my view.

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Speaker 1: You said it, not me, but I thought it, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of punches above their weight.

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Speaker 1: You're locked in a four way race with an east

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Speaker 1: Side congressman, Boras, a never Trump lawyer, Oh east side guy,

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Speaker 1: never Trump guy, and a Kennedy So why are you different?

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Speaker 1: And what is that like? Those guys all have gotten

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention for different things. Why are you different?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, There's one thing I've learned during this race is

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Speaker 6: that the Kennedy's and the last Yers are treated slightly,

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Speaker 6: slightly differently. Look, I think I'm different because I spent

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Speaker 6: an enormous amount of time planning for what I would

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Speaker 6: do in Congress to advance the cause of slowing installing

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Speaker 6: the Trump agenda and rebuilding in the aftermath, and that

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Speaker 6: that thinking and that planning is informed by a deep

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Speaker 6: experience on a wide array of issues.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're all running for.

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Speaker 6: A very specific job, which is not TikTok star, not

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Speaker 6: you know, political pundit. But we're running to be a

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Speaker 6: legislator who uses the legislative process to fight back and

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Speaker 6: to make change. And I don't think there's anybody else

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Speaker 6: in the race that comes close to the proven track

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Speaker 6: record of being able to do just that.

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Speaker 1: Boris will say that he is for regulating AI. I

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Speaker 1: hate AI and want it regulated tomorrow. I have been very,

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Speaker 1: very very disappointed with Democrats on regulation, including Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 1: who I continually fight with on this, and I feel

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Speaker 1: that tech companies the Democrats have been as complicit as

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Speaker 1: Republicans when it comes to the refusal to regulate tech.

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Speaker 1: So Bora says he's going to regulate tech. Is he

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Speaker 1: going to regulate tech? And if he is explained to

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Speaker 1: does why? And if he's not explained to us, why,

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Speaker 1: and then tell me are you going to regulate tech?

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Speaker 1: And what that looks like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a I think there's a real

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Speaker 6: reason for skepticism around Alex's claim on this. But I'll

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Speaker 6: just say for myself, going back to my time a

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Speaker 6: decade ago in the state Attorney General's office, where we

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Speaker 6: went after basically every big tech company in America over

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Speaker 6: one or another ways that they were pretending the law

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Speaker 6: didn't apply to them, to my work passing the Safe

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Speaker 6: for Kids Act, which prevents algorithmic feeds in New York

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Speaker 6: being delivered to kids under sixteen. I think we should

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Speaker 6: repeal section two thirty. I think we need a robust

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Speaker 6: federal regulatory infrastructure on AI. I think we should ban

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Speaker 6: social media for kids. So you know, and I have

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Speaker 6: a real track record I think of being willing to

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Speaker 6: take on not just these particular powerful corporate interests, but basically,

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Speaker 6: you know, all of the various big special interests who

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Speaker 6: get used to throwing their weight around in Albany and

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Speaker 6: getting what they want. And I would take the same

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Speaker 6: independence to Congress. I think Alex is a slightly different story.

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Speaker 6: The bill that he did on AI, which I was

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Speaker 6: the first cosponsorup, is a good bill and it gored

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Speaker 6: the ox, very specifically of Open AI, and they are

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Speaker 6: coming after him, and their OX.

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Speaker 5: Deserves to be gored.

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Speaker 6: I think where it gets a little more complicated is

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Speaker 6: if you look there are a string of bills he

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Speaker 6: basically went to Albany. The most significant professional experience he

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Speaker 6: had before going Albany was four and a half years

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Speaker 6: in senior roles at Pallan. Here he goes to Albanie

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Speaker 6: says I'm going to be the tech bro in Albany,

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Speaker 6: and that.

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Speaker 5: Was basically the message to tech companies.

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Speaker 6: There are a host of billsulating AI where.

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Speaker 5: He was the loan Democrat to.

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Speaker 6: Vote against them. And then I think at some point,

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Speaker 6: for whatever set of reasons. He decided he was going

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Speaker 6: to pursue this one, this one thing and go after

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Speaker 6: open AI, and he invited their wrath, and that has

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Speaker 6: created kind of a martyrdom narrative. What's happening on the

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Speaker 6: other side of this is you have anthropic now spending

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Speaker 6: millions of dollars to help his campaign. And the latest

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Speaker 6: is we got a crypto billionaire who's spending three and

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Speaker 6: a half billion dollars to help So we have million

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Speaker 6: dollars to help his campaign.

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Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, it does seem like if you

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Speaker 1: want to regulate technology, you should it would be strange

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Speaker 1: that you would be then supported by the same technology

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Speaker 1: you'd want to regulate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, I don't think any of our tech overlords should

685
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Speaker 6: be writing our AI policy, whether that is the most

686
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Speaker 6: evil AI company or the slightly less evil AI company.

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Speaker 6: You know, And I think, and I should say, I

688
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Speaker 6: think the crypto thing is also worthy of examination. You

689
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Speaker 6: can go to Stand with Stand with Crypto, plugging Alex's name,

690
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Speaker 6: you'll see his A rating and you know, and now

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Speaker 6: we accept the idea that the crypto billionaire is trying

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Speaker 6: to help him get elected because he's concerned about AI regulation.

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Speaker 5: Instead of maybe he's just doesn't want crypto regulated.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't been you say, you're work sort of cruising

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Speaker 1: into the primaries in June, and that will be the

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Speaker 1: definitive because this is a very democratic but there are

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Speaker 1: real issues in this district and they largely come down

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Speaker 1: to Israel. This is going to be a hard thing

699
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Speaker 1: for Democrats to negotiate coming up in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: It was a real stumbling block, and perhaps because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't addressed. I think there's a lot of frustration in

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Speaker 1: the party, in the Democratic Party about the way in

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Speaker 1: which Israel has blocked as us on and how I

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Speaker 1: would love you to talk about out where you are

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Speaker 1: on this.

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Speaker 6: Look, if you are I'm forty four, If you are

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Speaker 6: you know, any younger than me, you basically don't remember

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Speaker 6: in Israel that hasn't been dominated by bibing at Yahoo

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Speaker 6: and right wing extremist politics. And I think in many

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Speaker 6: ways they've driven the country off the rails. And what's

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Speaker 6: happening in the West Bank is abhorrent, and we saw

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Speaker 6: tens of thousands of people killed.

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Speaker 5: In Gaza, and.

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Speaker 6: I should say you know that it really I think

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Speaker 6: has been challenging for people like me who who do

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Speaker 6: care about the survival of Israel as a Jewish and

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Speaker 6: democratic state, and safety and security of Israel's been very hard.

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Speaker 5: To grapple with.

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Speaker 6: And I think that I can't speak for how the

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Speaker 6: Party should deal with this.

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Speaker 5: I can say for my own piece.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to continue hold on to the idea that

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Speaker 6: you can care about the safety and security of Israel

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Speaker 6: as a refuge for the Jewish people, and you can

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Speaker 6: care about the safety and security and the plight of

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Speaker 6: the Palestinian people and ultimately their self determination as well.

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Speaker 5: And it's very hard to see.

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Speaker 6: A path back to where we were in the nineties,

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Speaker 6: and I don't you know, you can't sugarcoat that, and

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Speaker 6: you know, settlement expansion has made that really hard, and

731
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Speaker 6: there's also nobody to negotiate with on the Palestinian side.

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Speaker 5: It's a really intractable thing.

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Speaker 6: But I'm going to kind of insist that those two

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Speaker 6: ideas remain compatible.

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Speaker 1: The American people have turned against arms, selling arms writ

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Speaker 1: large and certainly selling arms with you know where we

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Speaker 1: are paying taxpayers are paying for those arms, and as

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Speaker 1: we've seen USAID be defenestrated when that is actually a

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Speaker 1: really good policy that helps both farmers and people who

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Speaker 1: are hungry. It seems harder and harder to make a

741
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Speaker 1: case for arming countries writ large, Israel or anyone. Where

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Speaker 1: are you on that?

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Speaker 6: Well, look, I think the last thing you said is

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Speaker 6: an important point, which is I think we need a

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Speaker 6: consistent policy, and we provide military aid to a lot

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Speaker 6: of different allies. We have the Leahy Law, which should

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Speaker 6: which has been I think largely a dead letter on

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Speaker 6: making sure that there is a human rights standard applied

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Speaker 6: to all of our allies. But I'm not there on

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Speaker 6: singling out Israel. As much as I abhor much of

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Speaker 6: what the net Na government has been.

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Speaker 1: Doing, I would so tell me kind of what you

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Speaker 1: see when you talk to people in this district as

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Speaker 1: the issues that they're struggling was.

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Speaker 6: I think, Look, I think the this is a district,

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Speaker 6: it's a it is a relatively affluent district. There are

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Speaker 6: pockets of real need, and I think, but it's a

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Speaker 6: district that has real, you know, real liberal values, and

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Speaker 6: so I think that the district wants someone who's going

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Speaker 6: to go to Congress that represents not just the needs

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Speaker 6: of the district, but the values of the district.

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Speaker 5: And and right now, I think.

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Speaker 6: People's district look at Trump's trampling of the rule of law,

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Speaker 6: look at the war in Iran, the recklessness of it.

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Speaker 6: They look at what Ice is doing across the country,

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Speaker 6: and they first and foremost want the congressman there's going

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Speaker 6: to be an outspoken voice on all of those issues.

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Speaker 6: And then I think on the issues that are affecting

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Speaker 6: this district, cost of housing, which is a nationwide issue.

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Speaker 6: You know, everybody wants to talk about affordability right now.

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Speaker 6: The biggest piece of anyone's household budget is their housing costs,

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Speaker 6: and this district, the housing cost crisis is acute. The

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Speaker 6: median rent from Manhattan apartment across all sizes the whole

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Speaker 6: borough just crossed five thousand dollars a month. So I

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Speaker 6: think that on the issues, I think childcare costs huge issue,

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Speaker 6: the cost of raising a kid. I've got I've got

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Speaker 6: three kids where on the other side of the dear

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Speaker 6: early childcare years. But if you can't, you know, affording housing,

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Speaker 6: affording childcare, it's a It's an issue nationwide, it's an

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Speaker 6: issue citywide.

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Speaker 5: It's an acute issue in this district.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, like with rent. I mean you can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what could you possibly do legislatively to make

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Speaker 1: rent cheaper?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, broadly speaking, we need a lot more

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Speaker 6: housing in this country. We need a lot more housing

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Speaker 6: in New York, and we need to relieve pressure on

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Speaker 6: the housing market. And the federal government can use the

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Speaker 6: use the leverage of the dollars that we send to

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Speaker 6: states and localities across the country, including New York, to say,

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Speaker 6: if we're if we're pumping money into your into your

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Speaker 6: infrastructure systems, you've got to have policies that allow for

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Speaker 6: housing to get built. So that's a big piece. I've

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Speaker 6: also I'm putting out a plan. You know, I think

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Speaker 6: a big question I got. I said, I've got three kids,

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Speaker 6: I got two teenagers. Lots of people are asking I'm

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Speaker 6: in a constant conversation with my peers, what are our

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Speaker 6: kids going to do? Where are they going to work?

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Speaker 6: Or they can be able to afford to live here

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Speaker 6: or anywhere? And so I put out a plan focused

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Speaker 6: on first job, first home, first year of parenting, that

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Speaker 6: the federal government should be actively involved in the idea

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Speaker 6: of guaranteeing that you can get a first job, afford

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Speaker 6: a first a first place and get through your first

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Speaker 6: year of parenting. And on the housing front, that would

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Speaker 6: involve significant assistance, either with a down payment or the

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Speaker 6: upfront costs of rentals.

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Speaker 5: Right we you know you want to.

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Speaker 6: Rent an apartment in Manhattan, you're a kid just out of college.

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Speaker 6: You got first month, last month security deposit. That is

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Speaker 6: a big chunk of change you have to put up

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Speaker 6: front to get that first apartment. That's the renter's equivalent

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Speaker 6: of a down payment. The federal government could be involved

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Speaker 6: in helping you get over that home.

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Speaker 1: How would the federal government be able to help you

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Speaker 1: get a first job?

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Speaker 5: So I think we should have a paid program of

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Speaker 5: national service.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is my this is you know, this is

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Speaker 1: my obsession, all right, goal but New Europe national This

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Speaker 1: is the nerdiest.

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Speaker 5: Breed guilty to nerd nom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, the idea of national service has been in the

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Speaker 6: ether for a while, but I think in a moment

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Speaker 6: that there's a bunch of things that I think make

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Speaker 6: it really salient at this time. Number one, we're looking

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Speaker 6: at enormous economic upheaval because of AI. Because of technological change,

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Speaker 6: careers that exist today are going to vanish.

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Speaker 1: More or maybe AI is being used as an excuse

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Speaker 1: to fire people. But whatever it is, we're gonna what

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Speaker 1: age do you make this national service start at? How

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Speaker 1: long does it go for, and how does the funding

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Speaker 1: mechanism work?

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Speaker 6: Sure, So I think that it should be it should

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Speaker 6: be available to anybody basically who has a high school

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Speaker 6: degree or ged or coming out of college, you know,

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Speaker 6: any anyone in that age range. And I think it

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Speaker 6: should be focused on professions where we have significant workforce

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Speaker 6: shortages today. So we have we have a whole bunch

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Speaker 6: of jobs that are really societally important that should be

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Speaker 6: done by human beings today and a decade from now,

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Speaker 6: jobs in mental health care jobs and education particular jobs

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Speaker 6: in particularly in the kind of caring professions. These are

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Speaker 6: jobs where human work is really important, and we should

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Speaker 6: We should fund whatever training and education one.

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Speaker 5: Needs for those jobs.

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Speaker 6: And we should fund salary for at least the first

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Speaker 6: year through qualified nonprofit agencies or government agencies that is

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Speaker 6: a living wage along with healthcare benefits.

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Speaker 5: And we should.

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Speaker 6: And it's national service, but I think it should be

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Speaker 6: framed as and it should in fact be a first

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Speaker 6: job guarantee.

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Speaker 1: So let's we're just almost out of time but I

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Speaker 1: want you to talk about anti corruption measures. If Trump

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Speaker 1: ever leaves office, which hopefully are you, well, you guys

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Speaker 1: are going to have to completely rethink the way. What

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Speaker 1: is the difference between norms and laws in uh so

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Speaker 1: that a lot of that will follow to Congress. Congress

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Speaker 1: is not exactly themselves in glory. So tell us how

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Speaker 1: you would make Congress work in that way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I've written you know, I'll put a plug.

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Speaker 6: If you go to Michael Asher dot com slash project

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, you will see a series of plans

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Speaker 6: that I've written on. First, how democrats, even in the minority,

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Speaker 6: can use the power we have to slow install what

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Speaker 6: Trump and Mike Johnson are doing. Second, what a plan

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Speaker 6: for oversight looks like in a House majority. And third

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Speaker 6: is the idea of a legal reconstruction. What are the

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Speaker 6: statues that these guys have exploited that we need to

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Speaker 6: go in and shore up. And that's everything from taking

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Speaker 6: the post Nixon era norms around DOJD, politicization codifying them

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Speaker 6: in law, the Impoundment Act the Empowerment Act in nineteen

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Speaker 6: seventy four intended to prevent the president from subverting the

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Speaker 6: will of Congress when it comes to the appropriation and

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Speaker 6: release of funds.

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Speaker 5: These guys have completely flipped it on its head.

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Speaker 6: We need to go in and fix the Empowerment Act,

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Speaker 6: the Alien Enemies Act, and the mccaren Walter Act, which

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Speaker 6: Trump has used to deport people. We need to go

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Speaker 6: in and shore those laws up. The War Powers Resolution,

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Speaker 6: which I wish we could say that Donald Trump was

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Speaker 6: the first president to flout the will of Congress in

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Speaker 6: launching military misadventures, but that's been a bipartisan tradition, and

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Speaker 6: Congress needs to go in and reassert it's constitutionally afforded

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Speaker 6: authority over matters of war and peace.

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Speaker 5: So there's the work of legal reconstruction.

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Speaker 6: These guys have been winning forty percent in the district

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Speaker 6: and circuit courts, eighty percent in the Supreme Court, and

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Speaker 6: we need to start taking away the legal arguments they've

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Speaker 6: been making so that a future president can't repeat what

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Speaker 6: this guy's done.

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Speaker 1: Mikeah Lasher, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: A moment.

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Speaker 5: Rick Wilson, Yes, MOLLI.

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Speaker 1: So around January twenty six, Donald Trump suddenly got very

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Speaker 1: interested in trading stocks. Yes, and d FT has this

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Speaker 1: incredible graph with a very smart piece about how Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump as soon as when he swore into his second presidency,

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Speaker 1: he got a bit of a you know how congress

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Speaker 1: people are not supposed to how I want there to

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Speaker 1: be a law against congresspeople, against Senator Thoing Stocks. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess who's who's become quite a trader. That's right, it's Vegas, Donnie,

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Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 4: You know what's amazing is that he has. Steve Ratner's

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Speaker 4: quote was terrific. I don't know if you saw it.

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Speaker 4: Ratner said, I've been a professional investment of an investment

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Speaker 4: professional for thirty five years, and I've never done I

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Speaker 4: haven't done thirty seven hundred trades in my career. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's said thirty seven hundred trades this year, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of them. He's been out there like I love

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Speaker 4: powervolunteer the day after he buys Palenteer. Yeah, and folks,

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Speaker 4: the corruption is the center defining characteristic of this term.

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Speaker 4: The incompetence is right up there, but the corruption, molly

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Speaker 4: is what astounds me that in a world where we

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Speaker 4: had a functioning justice Department and not the Daine Maxwell

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Speaker 4: cover up department, these people would would he'd go to jail.

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Speaker 4: He's insider trading at a scale that's unimaginable.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I really look forward to just

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Speaker 1: Dance or as he's known jd Vance when he starts

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Speaker 1: on his waist fraud and abuse tour, because that it's like,

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Speaker 1: just remind people of what your boss is doing twenty

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Speaker 1: four secs.

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Speaker 4: He's going to have a very high hill to climb

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Speaker 4: in the future when he runs for when he runs

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Speaker 4: for president, because people are going to say, are you

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Speaker 4: going to pardon Donald Trump? Not for January six or

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Speaker 4: any of the other things, but for thirty seven hundred

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Speaker 4: and least by this by it'll be a lot more

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Speaker 4: by then illegal stock raids where he traded on inside

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Speaker 4: information and confidential government information. And by the way, the

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Speaker 4: Statute of Limitations is going to be around for a

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Speaker 4: lot longer than Donald Trump is going to be president.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, if he goes to jail, he's

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Speaker 4: not going to be a tough He's not gonna be

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Speaker 4: tough like Martha Stewart was.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna squeal it was Eric. Eric made me do it.

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Speaker 3: I can't I couldn't stop him.

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Speaker 5: He's too powerful.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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