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Speaker 1: joining me as always over there in sunny in spring,

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Speaker 1: downright summary Chicago, Illinois, and Rubinstein, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. I attempted to go for a run

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Speaker 1: One of these teams coaches in this.

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Speaker 2: Progress report episode that I'm very excited to do, just

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Speaker 2: because when we were talking about what we were going

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Speaker 2: to do earlier, I got to use the word technodrone,

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Speaker 1: So I'm in a good mood tech no dron. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that momentarily, but in the meantime, Welcome

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Speaker 2: So we're doing progress reports on what will be third

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Mike Loxley, Michael Angelo Locksley. Because I

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Speaker 2: Do you see this as a straight line? Do you

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Speaker 2: The Mike Locksley knows the DMV Maryland.

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Speaker 2: One of the most explosive teams. Yeah, in a limited

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Speaker 2: So there are signs. They also lost an embarrassing fashion

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which should should not be overlooked. I also feel

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Speaker 1: Maryland Rakeen Jared rakeem Jared excuse me? Who was the

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Speaker 1: had twenty three targets this past season. Wasn't the guy?

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Speaker 1: come for Locksley again in the DMV and area that

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Speaker 1: I feel like that is that is reason for optimism.

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Speaker 1: if you're a Maryland fan, if you're looking at Mike Loxley,

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to analyze a trajectory, they did beat

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Speaker 1: the board against Penn State's a big deal and that's helpful.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is trending in a good direction.

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Speaker 1: All good? Bowl good.

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Speaker 2: So they go what two and three, So that's bowlish

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. I see four obvious

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Speaker 2: I don't even who are youre for because Kent State

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Speaker 1: Rutgers is probably not a sure thing at this Spicure's

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Speaker 2: In twenty one, the October and then first week of November. Now,

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Speaker 2: So it's you gotta beat Yeah, I guess you have

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Speaker 2: I guess of brett Ilama, it's hard to find a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see the path. I don't see the path.

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Speaker 2: Talia has to be great. He has to cut way

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Speaker 2: So trajectory wise, what are you giving me? You want

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So from what zero to ninety? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Or are they are they digging underground.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, okay, Oh man, I mean I

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Speaker 1: guess skimming forty five would be like average, right?

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Speaker 2: Forty five is a bowl game?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say like thirty. I got twenty five? What

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Yeah, it's it's hard to go

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Speaker 2: Jake Funk was really good last year. He got finally

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing I brought up great had a hair

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Speaker 1: our damn show. Has nobody ever referred to Maryland as

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Speaker 1: a teenage mutant Ninja Turtles like a really young team

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Speaker 2: Too mouthy, tie, it's too wordy.

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Speaker 1: Well, just a Ninja Turtles, I think. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: Fear the Turtle improve saying no, No, I always approve

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, have we never used Ninja Turtles?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. All right,

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Speaker 2: this makes Mike Loxley master splinter. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: So that's in the direction.

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Speaker 1: When do I play the crank sound again? Do I

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Speaker 2: That's all we care about.

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Speaker 1: Next up, let's go to Chris Climban. Let's Chris Climbon

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Speaker 1: eight and five, year one, four and six, four and six.

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Speaker 1: This past year, Chris Climbon comes down to Manhattan, Kansas

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Speaker 1: which I think is very notable. It's an incredibly small

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Speaker 1: They're just not. They're going to get one one guy

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Speaker 1: been to a Bowl game under his tenure, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Maybe not this coming year, but it's certainly foreseeable for me.

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Speaker 2: They need to return to the warm embrace of eight

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Speaker 2: and four. They're an eight and four program, which is terrific,

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Speaker 2: That's a terrific place to be if expectations are not

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma looking like they're only trending upward, with Iowa State

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Speaker 2: hard to fully look at twenty twenty with Skyler Thompson

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Speaker 1: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think you know you're gonna rely on development. You're

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Speaker 1: So I think that the.

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Speaker 2: Trajectory is good. I don't think. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, sixty degrees, fifty two degrees, something

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Speaker 2: like that, where there seems to be a definitive ceiling

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Speaker 1: Guys like that. Skyler Thompson's good, he's better than Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: I think they're just going to cruise along. They're not

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Speaker 2: I think the trajectory is good. They're nowhere near a technodrone.

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Speaker 2: They have that floor, probably, but no, I see this

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Speaker 2: and in, year out, and hopefully the offense continues to

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Speaker 1: Snyder, Bill Snyder, Yeah, eight and four yeah.

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Speaker 1: Where would you grade out their launch ankle right now.

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Speaker 2: Sixty sixty, Yeah, forty five is bold. Maybe I said

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Speaker 1: And if you don't, they'll just beat you'll beat you. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go fifty five. Okay, so I guess

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Speaker 1: I feel like I can't give an accurate readout on

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Speaker 2: And really, yeah, I mean, I just if you've watched

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the nightmare of the twenty nineteen season with his

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Speaker 2: Don't if you're going to hire Dana Holgerson and you

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00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: don't have any sort of real pop on offense, I

434
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: think it's a failed higher and I don't know if

435
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: the next quarterback is going to be the guy. But

436
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't know they were running the ball so well

437
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: in Morgantown. I don't really run the ball that well.

438
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 2: They haven't been running the ball all that well. It's

439
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: it just feels like an average team that doesn't have

440
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: much zazz or juice right now. I mean, the schedule

441
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: is nice this year. They should probably have an impressive record,

442
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: but I think they miss UCF and Cincinnati. I just

443
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: in terms of trajectory, I'm just I don't know. I'm

444
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: left at like a like a straight forty five. Maybe

445
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: then that's too upward, probably as.

446
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: Sarah, don't you gotta go below forty five?

447
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're sort of like a thirty team. That doesn't

448
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: mean they won't make a Bowl. But in terms of

449
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: just like the the launch angle, I just I'm not

450
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: you know, they're not to the moon. They're just sort

451
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: of there. They lost by four touchdowns at Cincinnati this year,

452
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: so they're not competitive with the top of the conference.

453
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: They give up forty plus two. I mean, it's understandable

454
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: to BYU. But in a strange year, and it was

455
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: incredibly strange. I think they had like a month off

456
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: between games at a certain point.

457
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was really So this is all

458
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: grain of salt, but.

459
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: In a year where in a in a year where

460
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: tackling in defense didn't exist in a lot of places,

461
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: it seemed like a good year to pop a little

462
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 3: bit more on offense.

463
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean we're still talking about I mean, I'm not

464
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: a big Kyle Porter fan, but I like Marquz Stevenson

465
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: going into last year, and I just they just didn't

466
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: separate themselves offensively. So if that's a hole th team,

467
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't know really what you're getting excited about. So yeah,

468
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm like a twenty five or thirty with them worse scamming.

469
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: Let's play it. You go crying? Why not? Yeah? Scott Sadderfield,

470
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you're a big Sadderfield guy, weren't you? I was?

471
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Speaker 2: And I'm bummed about Louisville with sadderfield because it felt

472
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: a bit like last year should have been a real

473
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: jump up year. Yeah, and the turnovers killed so much

474
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: of what could have been killed him, And yeah, I

475
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: expected more. I think, what did Michaeale Maleik throw twelve picks?

476
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: Had three fumbles and this was a year where they

477
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: still were able to managing putting a top twenty offense

478
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: or so on the field. I mean, you have two

479
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: two at well, an all time receiver for the Cardinals.

480
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: You have Dez Fitzpatrick. You have Javian Hawkins forever long

481
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: he played, and a quarterback who was I mean when

482
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: you say an all time Louisville explosive quarterback, you're still

483
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: saying somebody who followed Lamar Jackson. But to waste that

484
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: offense with what that the results ended up as in

485
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and to not be able to generate juice

486
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: coming off of I love that word today for whatever reason,

487
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: the juice on the recruiting trail an underwhelming recruiting destination

488
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: right now in the ACC coming off of what the

489
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: most exciting college football player of the modern era, and

490
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson really excellent offensive play these past couple of years.

491
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: A young energetic coaching staff that you felt like, I

492
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: felt like would be recruiting at a higher level. They're

493
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: a below average acc recruiting team.

494
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: He was really good at app State. He built strong defenses.

495
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: It's a different but it's a different game there, man

496
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: different game wiring talent and winning. I thought they were

497
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: gonna I thought they were going to give Clemson trouble

498
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: like they did for a stretch there under Bobby Patrino.

499
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: I really did. Between Scott Sadderfield and Neil Brown, you

500
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: had a moment when those guys got hired by bigger

501
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: programs because I think you really liked each of them

502
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: a great deal, and you know, Neil Brown, I think

503
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: to some extent, we kind of acknowledged that was going

504
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: to be more of a longer term thing. It wasn't

505
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: going to be right away. But Louisville felt like they

506
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: had it felt like they had more of the ingredients

507
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: to get there quicker. And I'm with you. I thought

508
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: this past season, for all its flaws, was going to

509
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: be a much much different story for Louisville, and the

510
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: turnovers were just brutal. Moreover, it was I think a

511
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: situation where they shot themselves in the foot a lot.

512
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: Dux is a better team than four and seven, but

513
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: they just constantly were getting in their own way, and

514
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm kind of left now not knowing what to think.

515
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: I felt really.

516
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: Out showed out really nicely to end the season against Wake,

517
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: So there's that.

518
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: I felt really optimistic after year one under Statterfeld. This

519
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: past season it felt like it all fell apart, and like,

520
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: certainly Louisville would not be the only college football program

521
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: that saw a bit of that. We saw Michigan, we

522
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: saw at Penn State, like we've seen it all around

523
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: college football schools that just didn't show out at all

524
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. So I don't know how much value

525
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: to put on that. I was left very very very underwhelmed, though,

526
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: and that is certainly going to affect my launch angle

527
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: after eight and five. After eight and five, I might

528
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: have said, like seventy five degree of launch angle, I

529
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: was gung ho away I started.

530
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: They started their ACC season one and six. Yeah, last year,

531
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: that's against a Miami team who was good but not

532
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: a killer pitt okay, Georgia Tech losing by what twenty

533
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech, Notre Dame team who they weirdly shut down.

534
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: Well the seven Yeah, ah, I just.

535
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm left deflated on the too. I can

536
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: I recognize. And you know, Braden Smith start out the

537
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: season really impressively at receiver, looking like a really promising

538
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: young receiver, and just kind of disappeared throughout the year.

539
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to make more of a contribution.

540
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: So no, it leaves me feeling just sort of forty

541
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: forty five ish in terms of launch angle and trajectory

542
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: that this is a Louisville team that's going to be

543
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: a bowl team, and we'll climb out of a slumber

544
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: cave to give somebody trouble. But I mean, they didn't

545
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: string together wins this year. They did not win two

546
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: games in a row at any point in twenty twenty.

547
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: Now it maybe it was just the strangeness of last fall,

548
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: but everybody was operating under similar circumstances.

549
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

550
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm just left tampering, tampering my expectations of the Scott

551
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: Sadderfield era.

552
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Why don't we say fifty, Okay, why don't we say

553
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: fifty because I think we both believe, we want to

554
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: believe that it's going to be higher, and it can

555
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: be higher, but last season that doesn't wash off, not

556
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: so easily.

557
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: They give up a lot of big plays. Look, the

558
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Miami game was early and they gave up all those

559
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: huge plays and we're being sucked into play action like

560
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: the high school team. But I don't know if what

561
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: is the record that Louisville just they need to go

562
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one for you to feel good about

563
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: a respectable launch angle.

564
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Well, they got to make a bowl. I got to

565
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: make a bowl that that I think is given. I'm

566
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: gonna pull up their schedule here quick, m hm and

567
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: see what this looks like. But you know, I think

568
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: the bowl is probably that's that's table stakes at this point.

569
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: If you're sadder filled, I think it's field not felt

570
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: to be clear field. What did I say? Feld? Yeah,

571
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: you've You've been thrown in a couple of Felds there.

572
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: It's been a long day ole miss to open up

573
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: the year, that won't be easy. You see f in there,

574
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Matt Carroll and Dylan Gabriel in the non conference. Okay,

575
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: it's not the most ideal. There's a Kentucky game in there. Obviously,

576
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: the rivalry later in the year, so you could do

577
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: a lot better in terms of non conference scheduling.

578
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the last time Louisville played Kentucky, a receiver

579
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: completely destroyed them at quarterback.

580
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: But there are games in here against Eastern Kentucky, Wake, Forest, Syracuse, Duke.

581
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a easier path for sure than Maryland.

582
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: But what's your trajectory again.

583
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: Got to get to a bowl, got to get to

584
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: what is the number, I'll say fifty fifty fifty.

585
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: So you feel like they're cruising on an above average trajectory.

586
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: I am going to keep the faith that they are.

587
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: Didn't see it last year.

588
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: They could easily if Mackenzie Milton is good, they are

589
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: starting there's a good shot of starting out one and three,

590
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: one and three and then at Wake, Virginia, BC, NC State, Clemson.

591
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: It's not ideal, but it's not the great Bob.

592
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

593
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if I see him going to a

594
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: bowl game right now, if if they're even somewhat has

595
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: turnover prone and turnovers are random. When they're not though,

596
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: you'll know it. And there were some not so random turnovers,

597
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: bad decision making in the passing game and just not

598
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: holding onto the ball.

599
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Keep all my.

600
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: Faith hard to circle.

601
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Keep the faith with me with Scott Satterfield.

602
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in that, Like twenty seven is my launch angle.

603
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: He's all right, maah. But Jamie Chadwell, huh, I mean

604
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: he's my captain planet Jamie Chadwell Coastal Carolina. Jamie Chadwell

605
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: is interesting. He's had three non consecutive seasons with Coastal Carolina.

606
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Was hired initially in twenty seventeen, then the last two

607
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: seasons twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. Here's an interim. Here's

608
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: an interim guy. Yeah, so here, here's the here's the

609
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: official win loss record three and nine year one, five

610
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: and seven year two, and then eleven and one this

611
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: past season. So for our purposes here where we're considering

612
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: third year coaches, will say five and seven eleven one

613
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: pretty big jump. Sure, I think Coastal may come out

614
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: of a pandemic in better shape as a program, because

615
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: first off, they captured the imagination of the nation at

616
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: huge stage all season long, specifically the BYU game, which

617
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: we'll talk about till we're blue in the face, I'm sure.

618
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: And secondly, they're gonna have Grayson McCall for at least

619
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: another year, and that dude's a legit pro prospect for

620
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: as long as he's there.

621
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: I haven't seen one way or the other.

622
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: He's a pro prospect. Yeah, nice, good for him. For

623
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: as long as he's there, Coastal's gonna have a platform,

624
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna have eyes. And it may be a little

625
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: too soon to start grading out recruiting, and I'm always

626
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: hesitant to dig too deep into recruiting on the group

627
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: of five level, but I do think they're going to

628
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: see a lift as a result to what we saw

629
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: this past season. And Chadwell, for as long as he's there,

630
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's the other component here. He was a

631
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: name that came up in association with some bigger openings.

632
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how long he's going to stay at Coastal.

633
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: You'd obviously like to believe that he's going to be

634
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: there a while, but I think we know better in

635
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: this world of college football that if he continues having

636
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: double digit wins, people are going to come calling for him,

637
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: especially with the offense he runs, which is just fun

638
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: as hell. I don't see how you could look at

639
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: this program and not feel like it's like eighty Yeah.

640
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's a couple of things. The offensive system is incredible,

641
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: and I won't say they lucked into Grayson McCall, but

642
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: it was a perfect match. And certainly, you know, if

643
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: we could do it all over again in terms of

644
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: the class of twenty nineteen, that he'd probably be receiving

645
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: more offers than he did from Power five schools. They

646
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: ran a ton and that option look to set up

647
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: the pass, and Grayson McCall happened to be talented enough

648
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: to take advantage with defenses sucking up, and they were

649
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: a crazy explosive team. I think they're going to regress

650
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: a bit. They were the number one turnover margin team

651
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: in the nation, I believe. I don't know if you

652
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: came across that number as well when you were looking

653
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: at them. So that's something that's not really sustainable because

654
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: fumbles will bounce the other way, interceptions will get tipped

655
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: and caught by the defense if they weren't caught last year.

656
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: Those kinds of things tend to turn season to season.

657
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: Their schedule is awesome. They are at app State this year,

658
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: but it's after a bye week, so I don't think

659
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: there's any reason to think that they won't flirt with

660
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: ten wins, especially with how much better the defense got.

661
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: From twenty nineteen to twenty twenty. We saw the defense

662
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: make some big plays at the end of games. They

663
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: did win a couple of clunkers. I mean they held

664
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: on against BYU. They won that game by what a

665
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: yard and a half at the end, And then they

666
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: held on in a crazy game against Louisiana Lafayette or sorry,

667
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: just Louisiana on the road, and I think that was

668
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: a Thursday, a Friday night game. They beat the rageing Cajuns.

669
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: So I think they're going to continue to flirt with

670
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: double digit wins, but I don't think what last year

671
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: was is necessarily sustainable. So, yeah, you're right about your

672
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: eighty eighty two whatever. They're in a good place, but

673
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: it's it's a tight rope back because Jamie Chadwell is

674
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: probably going to jump on a bigger opportunity in the

675
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: next year or two if the success continues in Conway.

676
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious to see what the future holds

677
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: for him. Look, if they keep running that offense at

678
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: the same level that they did this past year, it's

679
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: impossible for me to believe that there won't be schools

680
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: that are at his door. We'll going to bring him.

681
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: He's your next Louisville coach. Yeah, I don't know that

682
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: he knows. Yeah, No, They've got way better. They stopped

683
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: a lot of big plays through the air, and so

684
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: that's going to be the thing. The offense gets the attention,

685
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: but I think it's the defensive improvement and the turnovers

686
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: forced and not given up that really helped to pace

687
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: everything for a crazy improvere.

688
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: Let's go to Will Heally. Let's Will Healey at Charlotte

689
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: seven and six, year one, two and four in the

690
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: weird COVID year Dan, I don't know if I have

691
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: enough knowledge to make a informed opinion of Will Heally,

692
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: but I know that Will Heely's a name that has

693
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: come up a little bit fringe candidate pretty consistently, maybe

694
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: not as a leading contender, but in conjunction with some

695
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: of the bigger openings that we've seen over the last

696
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, season or two. Here, Sure, where do you

697
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: stand on Charlotte and Will Heally? I think he's impressive.

698
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: He strikes a lot of people in the college football

699
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: universe as an impressive and he's a younger dude did

700
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: a great job at Austin p in Tennessee, and you know,

701
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: it was the weird coaching shuffle with Jmu and everything

702
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: like that in Charlotte. So takes over at Charlotte and

703
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: they kind of out of nowhere, but the schedule set

704
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: up nicely for it in twenty nineteen to win their

705
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: final I think five games to take forty nine ers

706
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: to their first Bowl game ever. Chris Reynolds, I think

707
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: is a really impressive quarterback. Needs to cut down on

708
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: the turnovers himself, but I think is a really nice

709
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: starting point, and I like Charlotte a good deal. They've

710
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: recruited all right, It's sort of been all over the

711
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: place in terms of recruiting, but I'm I'm pretty happy.

712
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the defense was legitimately bad at times. They

713
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: gave up fifty to Duke last year. So I don't

714
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pump the brakes on the will Heay bigger

715
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: job conversation right now. I'm going to need to see

716
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: a little bit more like he has a nightmare of

717
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: an opening few games in twenty nineteen and does an

718
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: amazing job to close out the year. So I am

719
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: I think the trajectory is good, especially for I mean,

720
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: this has only been what an FBS program for eight

721
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: nine years or something like that. They took a few

722
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: decades off, so I'm gonna cut them some slacks. So

723
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, all things considered, they were another one

724
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: of those teams I think with like a five week

725
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: break between games last year, and I think they missed

726
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: what I'm looking at the schedule right now. Yeah, they

727
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: have two weeks off between app State and FAU and

728
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: they're in They're definitely in the harder side of Conference USA.

729
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: They're in the East, which is I mean, UAB is

730
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: just in firm control of the West, it appears, so

731
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: they're in the harder side of Conference USA, and his

732
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: job is going to continue to be to maximize this

733
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: offense while the defense takes probably a little bit of

734
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: time improving. So I think the trajectory is good all

735
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: things considered. Within the context of Charlotte football and how

736
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: young it still is, I'm gonna I'm gonna say.

737
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: Like fifty to fifty five. He doesn't not look like

738
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Kaylor Lautner from what was that keeen drama, The Vampire One.

739
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: Why can't I think of it Twilight, Twilight. Yeah, you

740
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: knew Taylor's name, but not Twilight. I couldn't think of it. Okay,

741
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't not look like he looks like a nerdier

742
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: version of Taylor Lautner.

743
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: Right, they did bring in a big transfer this year,

744
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: I think from A and M at quarterback.

745
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't know if.

746
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a competition in Charlotte, but

747
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: there's at least that there are. If they can bring

748
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: in some of those guys, it becomes a little bit

749
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: more interesting.

750
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: All right. Well, heally only thirty six, so he's a younger.

751
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Only thirty six. Oh my god, you're a whole generation

752
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: older than him.

753
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: It's true. Okay, let's go to Jeff Collins. You're Jeff Collins. Thoughts.

754
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: I love Jeff Collins. Man, I'm in mister Atlanta, Mister Atlanta,

755
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: Jeff Collins. Three wins in year one, three wins in

756
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: year two. Well, it's gonna be a slow burn. It's

757
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a slow burn to root out the option.

758
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: What I like about Jeff Collins is that he just

759
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: has limitless.

760
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: Is that still a thing? Is that still a narrative?

761
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: With Georgia Tech the Atlanta two years. No, no, no,

762
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: the option, rooting out the option. Now, after two seasons of.

763
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: It, it's becoming less of a thing. I think we're

764
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: getting to that point where he needs to put up

765
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: or shut up. But it was going to take at

766
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: least two seasons to fully get that system out of

767
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: the system, you know. Okay, No, I'm right here with you.

768
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: So I like Jeff Collins. I stand by the fact

769
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: that Georgia Tech plays hard. That is my thing. It's

770
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: always been my thing. It doesn't always equal more wins,

771
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: but more often than not, if you find a team

772
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: that is playing hard, that's a pretty good bet. And

773
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: I feel like they have under him. I like what

774
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: I've seen, So I like the fact that he's selling

775
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: Atlanta hard. They've obviously got a lot of talent down there.

776
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: He's doing his it's in an amazing state. Yeah, to

777
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: try and improve the recruiting, to adapt to a different system.

778
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I am going to remain optimistic on Georgia Tech. Now, Okay,

779
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: so does that mean a Bowl.

780
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: Three?

781
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: That means that they need to get to a Bowl

782
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: game in year three for me to maintain this level

783
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: of optimism. So I will put it at I'm very optimistic.

784
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I will put it out a fifty five because I

785
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: honestly believe they are headed in the right direction.

786
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

787
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: I want to see him go to a bowl they

788
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: don't go to a bowl game, and we come back

789
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: and we do this next year. It's going to be

790
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: big time crank, big time crank. But I'm going fifty

791
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: five finally answer. Their schedule is really hard.

792
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: They're at Clemson, at Miami, at Notre Dame, and of

793
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: course they have Georgia.

794
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: Man.

795
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I think what we need to see from Georgia Tech

796
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: this year because of those teams that I name, they

797
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: just can't get blown out like fifty two to three

798
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: against you know, Clemson or Miami or Georgia or Notre

799
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: Dame or any of those teams. They need to be

800
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: losing games because they've they've won games against quality and

801
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: more talented teams.

802
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: They have.

803
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: I mean, weird to say backfield of the future at

804
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: this point because they've already been the backfield, but Jeff

805
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: Simms and Jamior Gibbs are really impressive when they're on.

806
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: So I just need to see them at the very

807
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: least because they're gonna lose likely lose what to Clemson

808
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: and Georgia. If they could lose, I don't know, forty

809
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: five twenty eight instead of forty five eight, that's something

810
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: that will help with my trajectory. And they absolutely in

811
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: terms of really bumping up this launch angle, I'm gonna

812
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: need them to beat I think they have North Carolina

813
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 2: quote unquote Neutrals in Atlanta, so it's not a bad

814
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: neutral site matchup. You're gonna have to beat either North Carolina.

815
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: You gotta beat maybe both Virginia schools pit maybe give

816
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: Notre Dame a little bit of trouble. I don't know

817
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: if they have if the Irish have somebody before or after,

818
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: if that's like a sandwich situation for Notre Dame, but

819
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: something let's say Georgia Tech, Notre Dame has Stanford.

820
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: The week after in Virginia the week before, two road games.

821
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

822
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's super intimidating, final.

823
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: Final home game of the year for Notre Dame.

824
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Senior Day, Yeah, I really need Sims and

825
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: Gibbs to pop for me to feel Sims and Gibbs.

826
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: The problem, the problem with being too optimistic on Tech

827
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: is that they are really only three obvious wins here.

828
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: But and I U Kennesan Duke.

829
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: That's about it. They can beat BC, it's at home.

830
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: They can beat Virginia Tech.

831
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're a big BRAXI believer, not really.

832
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 2: And they should be able to beat Duke pit is beatable.

833
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: That's at home. I can find five.

834
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with fifty five. Okay, don't talk me out

835
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: of it.

836
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: I'm at thirty five because some point we need to turn,

837
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, putting the Atlanta area code on every jersey

838
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: into actual wins.

839
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: Final coach Ry Ryan Day, he's our technodrome straight down.

840
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: Let's play it anyway, even though he's not. Yeah, Ryan

841
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Day thirteen and one in year one, seven and one

842
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: and went to the National Championship Game lost Tobama. This

843
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: past year, Ryan Day has done nothing at all to

844
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: make folks like me feel leary about the future of

845
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: the program. And I say folks like me because my

846
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: thing that I always stand by is it's really tough

847
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: to follow a legend, and coaching changes are like a

848
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: coin flip. You just you kind of never know what

849
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna get, even if it seems like it's gonna

850
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: work out on paper. There's a lot of times that

851
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Ryan Day has Ryan Day, did you just

852
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: did you just kind of pseudo quote Forrest come maybe

853
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, that wasn't the intention of that,

854
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: but maybe a little bit. Yeah, Okay, So look, twenty

855
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: and two, uh, two years, that's pretty good. Both are

856
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: you laughing at me? Twenty and two is more than

857
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: pretty good. Both years have been with Justin Fields, though,

858
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: and that's a huge cop out. But let's just say

859
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: moving forward now, new quarterback, I'm curious to see what

860
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: happens in twenty one, curious to see if that has

861
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: any effect whatsoever on this juggernaut that has been the Buckeyes.

862
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: I have no reason to think that this train is

863
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: slowing down anytime soon. So I don't know how we

864
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: grade out trajectory when you're ready kind of at like

865
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: a night, but it doesn't feel to me like this

866
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: is gonna go in a bad direction anytime soon.

867
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there arguably the most talented or one of

868
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: the what one, two or three most talented teams in

869
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: the country and got blown out by one of those

870
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: other teams in the National Championship Game or comfortably beaten

871
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: correct correct more appropriate. So it's all relative. They were

872
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: not a good defensive team relative to what I think

873
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: their potential was, because the talent level is so high,

874
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: and we saw that finally exploited. We saw it exploited

875
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: against other teams Indiana Northwestern at points of that game.

876
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: But you know, the juggernaut that was the Alabama twenty

877
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: twenty offense was the one that really put the exclamation

878
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: point on some of those defensive issues, again relative to

879
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: the talent on hand. So Ryan Day is done a

880
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: fantastic job. He's captain planet for Ohio State. This the

881
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: trajectory is unbelievable because their first goal is to win

882
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: the Big Ten and there is nowhere near an obvious

883
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: reason to think they won't this year, which is crazy.

884
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: The recruiting has, if nothing, gotten even better than what

885
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: it was under ed Meyer.

886
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: It is better you look at.

887
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: So they are. They're in a quarterback battle right now

888
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: between a blue chip from southern California and a blue

889
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: chip from Arizona. They have the number one overall player

890
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. This upcoming class in Quinn Yours

891
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: from Texas coming in. So they are operating like crazy.

892
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: On a national level, the recruiting machine is and the

893
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: stage certainly does not seem too big. Taking the baton

894
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: from Urban Meyer, so I think in terms of assistant hiring,

895
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: he's done a fantastic job. You look at what you

896
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: know with Al Washington and Greg Madison stabilizing things upfront, Carrie.

897
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: Combs, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

898
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: But offensively it is, there just seems very little to

899
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: worry about. The unbelievable group of receivers Garrett Wilson and

900
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: Chris olave back this year, probably the most obvious star

901
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: duo at receiver in the sport right now heading into

902
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. So I don't have any concerns trajectory wise,

903
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 2: other than Ohio State in some form. You can't get

904
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: blown out on a stage like that, and they're not

905
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. But they are again going to have to

906
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: break through after that showing in the playoff. I mean,

907
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: they have this unbelievable game against Clemson, killed them and

908
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: then killed Clinton. Then yeah, so we'll see. The secondary

909
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: left some to be desired last year, as did linebacker.

910
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, there are still problem areas, but you know,

911
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: you look, you pull back the camera and Ryan Day

912
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: has been sensational.

913
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: I just don't see, to your point, an obvious pathway

914
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: for somebody else to upend them and win the Big Ten.

915
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: And that's the thing they're They're gonna keep getting bites

916
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: at that playoff Apple because all they have.

917
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 2: To do is lose once to a one lost team

918
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: in the East.

919
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: That's all it takes, right, But I just don't feel

920
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: great about that. Who's that team? Right? Is a team?

921
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: Who's a team Michigan.

922
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: Looks three steps back? Michigan State starting over, Penn State

923
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: has its own issues, especially on offense, and they're starting

924
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: over at coordinator there so and.

925
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: Then who on the who on the western side gives

926
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: you the warm fuzzies? Nobody obvious. So it seems like

927
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State has the unique circumstance of being far and

928
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: away better in what is already a really good conference,

929
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: really good conference. It's not like an acc situation where

930
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: it's Clemson and then everybody else is just sort of

931
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: like trying to punch their way to get to like

932
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: anywhere close to that top run. We've got teams that

933
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: are blue blood programs, teams that have been at the

934
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: top of the polls very recently, and Ohio State's just

935
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: way better than all of them, and that bodes well

936
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: for them as it relates to the playoffs. So I

937
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I just it's got to be ninety right,

938
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: like they're They're just on a wide path to the moon.

939
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: It's what twenty twenty one.

940
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: Yes, is Ryan Day hoisting a national championship trophy by

941
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: the end of the twenty twenty four season. By the

942
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty four, Yes, so he has won two, three,

943
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: four bites at that apple.

944
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say yes. Okay, I think I agree.

945
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: I would say yes, and I'd be inclined to say

946
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: it could be this year. But I still don't know

947
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: what their quarterback is going to look like. I have

948
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: a lot of faith, see they'll be CJ. Stratter, Jack Miller.

949
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith that one of those

950
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: two kids is going to be very, very good. But

951
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: with the kind of turnover that BAMA has losing Trevor

952
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence or Clemson, it's going to take some time. Didja

953
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: you just saying it's gonna be there? Okay?

954
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: There isn't a tiny part of me that worries that

955
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: Ryan Day isn't fully ready to annually beat Clemson or

956
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: Alabama or simply Alabama, like we could be saying in

957
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, does Ryan Day have a Nick Saban problem?

958
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: We could be Yeah.

959
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: I think I would like to see what this Ohio

960
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: State because we saw a difference last year with my

961
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: guy Jeff Hafley two years ago in this Ohio State defense,

962
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: and it seems like they took a step back this

963
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: past year. But again, this is twenty twenty, so all

964
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: grain of salt. I am I'm very optimistic about I mean,

965
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: were you not optimistic about Ohio State's future at this point?

966
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's tough. It's tough.

967
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there you have a ready or do we

968
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: have an agreed upon technodron team.

969
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: A technodrone team? Yeah? Of those eight who is clearly

970
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: digging downward hlgo sadderfield, it could be Collins has not

971
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: won a lot of games in Atlanta. I'm still optimistic though, Okay,

972
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm still optimistic. I'll go hold go. If you want

973
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: to go hold go.

974
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: I think we'll go hole go. I expected more. I

975
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: just that's a conference where you should be able to

976
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: move the ball and uh drive the ball. Downfield a

977
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: lot more than Houston has. So yeah, I'm gonna go.

978
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: There, solidverbotgmail dot com.

979
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: Right in, you have a favorite Ninja Turtle? Did you

980
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: watch the original Ninja Turtles? I did, like early nineties,

981
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: late eighties. I read up on the Ninja Turtles. By

982
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: the way, started out as a joke comic book. It

983
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: was a parody comedy comic book, and then a toy

984
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: company one is like, hey, can we make the toys

985
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: from this joke comic book? And then the toys were

986
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: seen and they said can we make a full on

987
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: TV show out of it?

988
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: And it exploded total joke. Though I was a Michael

989
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: Angelo guy.

990
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: Interesting, you do strike me as your class party dude.

991
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a Michelangelo guy. I feel like he

992
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: is everybody's guy.

993
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: I like Donatello because you've got approximate the Dona Tello

994
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: experience with a bat. And I know Casey Jones was

995
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: involved in this universe. But I like Donatello. He like

996
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: he he had a dry sense of humor without being

997
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: sarcastic like Ralph Raphael Raffi, and without being an out

998
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 2: and out goofball like Michelangelo.

999
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Michael, I feel like Michael Angelo was kind

1000
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: of like sort of not to mix my metaphors here,

1001
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: but there's sort of like a nay more quality to

1002
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Michaelangelo to borrow a little bit from European soccer. Like

1003
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: he's just he's got more talent than everybody, but doesn't

1004
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: always choose to apply it, right, you know. Interesting.

1005
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that I always enjoyed I never really

1006
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: noticed at the time was we have a turtle with

1007
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: a dagger, and we have a turtle with a sort

1008
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: two swords, right Michael Angelo or excuse me, Leo has two.

1009
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: Swords, yes, and Michael Angelo had that no blood in.

1010
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: The movie, all right, Michaelangelo has noun chucks and what

1011
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: are they size Raphael's weapon and then you got a

1012
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: bow bow staff for Donatello, but no blood. No blood,

1013
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: daggers and swords, no blood in the TMNT early universe.

1014
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: All right, Well, fun show as always fun show. Soliverble

1015
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,120
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1016
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1018
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1019
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Speaker 1: friend Bill Barnwell, coming your way later in the week,

1020
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,759
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Speaker 1: that's all I got.

1022
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tell us your favorite kids sports movies from

1023
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: the nineties and we'll talk about whatever we can.

1024
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1025
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: form myself, Tie Hilton Brandt. We will talk y'all on

1026
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: Thursday and I meantime stays SCE