WEBVTT - Dr. Pimple Popper on the Stroke That Changed Everything 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:07.840 This is Heather Deubrew and this is Terry Borrow, and 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.600 we're going to keep this between us and not really, 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.880 not really, because today we have an incredible guest. I've 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.439 had her previously on the podcast and you have done 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.040 a game show with her. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.200 Yes, she is phenomenal, and she's had a recent health 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.319 issue that sort of rings close to our home. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:30.640 She's an amazing famous position, arguably more famous than. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.080 Me, doctor Sandra Lee, doctor pimple Popper. She's here today. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.800 She's incredible, and she had a very similar thing that 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.240 I had medically, and we basically were able to help 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.239 hundreds and maybe thousands of people with this, and we 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.120 wanted to hear her experience with this and maybe talk 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.159 about it a little bit and what people need to 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:51.680 look for. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.400 Okay, let's bring her on. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:54.240 Hi. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:55.520 How are you? 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.040 I'm fine? How are you guys? 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.000 Good? God, it's been so long, Yes. 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:03.080 I know, not as long. With doctor Dubrow, I went 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.680 down and you know, person with him, he took the lead. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.640 He overshake me, he overtied I held to the way sore. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.639 I think I think he played you there. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.960 You know, we know who the big boss is. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.119 Will please, by the way, thank you for doing this. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.880 I was amazed and blown away when I heard what 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.480 happened to you, because something very similar, which you may 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:31.640 mar not know, happened to me. Yeah, And it's really 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.200 quite amazing because I mean, you're a lot younger than me, 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:40.679 and we're both but we're both really so we're very 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.160 grateful that you would agree to come on and talk 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.360 to us about this and share your experience. And I 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.280 don't know, I mean, it made such giant news, but 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.840 this happened a little bit of time ago, did it not. 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.559 Yeah, take us through a sondraw what happened? 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.920 Yeah, And I read about you and what happened with you, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.200 and so I see the general similar pattern, but mine 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.640 is a little bit different too, and sort of the 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.840 timing of mine and I didn't have a wife like 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.760 you on you like that. I have my husband, who 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.160 I call Dad because he does run the show in 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.079 many ways. He's like my dad, but a similar but 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.960 different timing. And I think that's the whole important point 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.960 behind this. So really what happened is this did happen 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:29.200 about four and a half months ago, and mine was 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.079 a true stroke, like I still have. You know, some 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:37.360 wine wasn't that like Tia so much. And this happened 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.880 to me while I was filming the show I have 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.720 they had on camera, yes kind of, it had like 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.840 the symptoms started to happen at the end of the 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.840 day of one day, my first day of taping. I 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.440 usually take four days in a row. And this is 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.760 the hardest part of the show for me, as it 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.920 may be for you when you do the surgical part 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.000 of the of the show. It's very time consuming. They 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.720 kind of dermatologists. I'm not really accustomed to really continue 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.600 with surgery at six pm at the end of the day. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.320 You may be more so as plastics, but I kind 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.720 of turned into a pumpkin, you know, And so so 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.919 it's stressful to kind of be there until six seven 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.360 pm or so. And and I had I've kind of 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.320 had a hop flash, which was actually weird for me 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.120 because TM I had I had more recently started like 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.920 hormone replacement, and so I was feeling pretty good on 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.040 that on that side, you know, I wasn't really having 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:35.120 problems with that. And I also then when I went home, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.880 I have to stay at my parents while I'm there 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.839 because I now live in la and so when I'm 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.400 in when I'm When I was at home with my parents, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.720 I was eating soup and I had trouble swallowing, and 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.000 I just thought, oh, maybe I have like a little 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.880 reflux or something like that. I'm on some medication to 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.760 a reflux, and so I just kind of like said, 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.200 let me just go to bed, because I need a 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.240 good night's sleep. That's very important because I have to 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.000 pace myself three day, four days in a row, you know, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.760 these long, stressful days, big cases. And so I went 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.680 to sleep, and I remember when I went to sleep, 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.560 I had like restless leg syndrome. I like could not 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.280 stop moving. I felt like they were paying shooting through 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.960 my legs. I had recently flown like twice too long, 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.159 you know, coastal trips, like within a week, really twice, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.800 so a lot of and I don't like to get up. 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.039 I like to be slightly dehydrated. I like, I don't 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:28.560 like to go to the bathroom in the plane, that 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.080 kind of thing. So so those kinds of things happened, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.400 and so I got up in the middle of the 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.120 night to just try to get some food, actually go 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.360 to the bathroom, and I kind of stumbled. Bit of course, 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.080 it's at nighttime, I'm more worried about trying to sleep. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.160 I was kind of a little off bounced, but I'm 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.400 also thinking I'm trying to sleep, you know, that kind 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.120 of thing. But the next morning, when I got up, 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.120 I tried to walk to the bathroom, and I noticed 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.560 that I was unsteady on my feet, a little more 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.679 so than usual. I was by myself. So I held 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.839 my hand hands out, like, this is what you learn 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.839 from your exam, you know, as a medical student rotations. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.920 And when I held my hands out, I said, am 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.240 I just fooling myself? Because my left hand would just 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.919 subtly collapse. I would try to hold it out again 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.440 and it would subtly collapse. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.600 Yeah, so that two of the bee fasts balanced and 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.760 you have strength, yes, yes. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.720 And soft My left arm was weak. And so I 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.600 was like, maybe I'm fooling myself. This is very subtle, 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.960 you know. Is this a panic attack? Is this anxiety? 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.000 Am I just tired? And then I tried to speak. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.880 I wasn't really speaking to anyone, there was no one 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.000 there in the room with me, but I tried to talk, 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.120 and I did feel like it took a little more 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.560 effort for me to speak so I went downstairs to 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.240 see my parents. My dad is also dermatologist, you know, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.960 and he actually had a tia that lasted like maybe 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.679 a minute or two when he was sixty. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.680 Were you automatically thinking at that time I might be 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:58.400 having a stroke. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.200 Well yeah, I mean I out my arms, but like 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.160 it was so subtle too. I didn't know, right, And 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.400 so I went to ask my dad, and my mom 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.240 is a nurse, and so they really, you know, as physicians, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.600 they were like, you know what, right now the er, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.960 it is the best time to go to the er 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.120 because it's the morning. You know, it's probably the least 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.080 busy and everybody's frash. We all know this, you know, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.200 that's probably the ideal time to go, not late at night. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.800 We freaked, Yes, sure, you know, but also like maybe 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.760 hopefully this is a panic attack. I still got ready 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.200 for work. I still had full hair and makeup and 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.960 scrubs on because I was ready to I there are 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.640 people here, right, They've flown in from across the nation. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.560 There's passing crew staying in hotels. You know, this is 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.360 how they make their income. There's a lot of people 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.200 that are responsible. I'm responsible for and if I don't 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.919 show up, nobody gets paid, nobody gets treatment, you know, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:48.920 all these kinds of things. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:50.560 Right, So you go to the ear. Do you go 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:51.160 by yourself? 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.760 No? I want my mom and my showrunner actually came 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.800 to you know, because I told them that I'm going 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.240 to the er. And then it's crazy. I don't know 0:06:58.240 --> 0:06:59.840 if this happened to you, But once you go in 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.040 there and you say like, okay, I'm having a little weakness, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:04.080 I'm feeling. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.000 Like they get you right in. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.920 I mean, there's a wheelchair right behind me, like will 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.320 me through the And my only thought was like, oh 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.240 my gosh, I need to make a TikTok about this, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.120 like wheeling through the halls. You know, that's how messed 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.480 up my mind, is right, You're like, because this is crazy. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.320 It's like I'm being driven through the holes. And yeah, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.280 I initially. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.920 Well, Terry thought the same thing. Just so you know, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.520 Terry was in the room. Yes, I know, Terry was 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.960 in the room waiting for his results and wanted them 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.120 to turn Botched. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.560 On No but I and by the way, they did 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.080 turn botched on it. It happened to be a first run 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.480 on Botch that I was watching as I'm having a 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.240 struggle anyway, can tell I was massively in denial. I 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.080 so badly didn't want it to happen. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.520 Yeah, of course, anyway, go ahead. So they're pushing you 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:45.040 through the hose. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.840 So they pushed me through I actually to make a law. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.640 I mean, I don't want to make it like it's 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.560 ultimately there wasn't in fact in my right side of 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.240 my brain here, and so I didn't really find that 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.760 out till it took a little while to get that MRI. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.040 The CT actually was conclusive initially, and then you know, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.160 we wanted to get an MRI. There was a wait time. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.720 But also the fact the key here is really for 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:12.440 everybody listening, is that I sort of had some symptoms 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.560 the night before, and so I was really out of 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.080 that window to get TPA, which is like a clockbuster, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.760 and that really window is to get that within an 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.200 hour to four hours or so, you know, before you 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.240 have symptoms, symptoms and signs of a stroke. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.680 So they admitted you, and you were you're not going 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.880 to shoot your show, that it's done for. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.720 A while, Yes, for now, yes, So that was stressful too, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.040 to tell everybody to go home, especially these people that 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.400 have been waiting for you know, years decades to get 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.080 something done and they finally had the nerve to show 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.800 up and then you know, I'm m I A you 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.360 know that kind of thing. So it was it was 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:57.559 very stressful. 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.960 I'm curious about the difference in men and women, like, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.600 does this present differently in men and women? 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.520 So sound it does. It's like a heart attack, very 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.880 very similar in that in a man. It's the classic 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:14.680 stroke systems, the bee fast, the balance, the facial droop, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.760 the arm strength, the speech, the whole thing. The bee fast. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.920 Yours was very different. That's very typical of female. Right yours? 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:23.199 Yeah? 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.600 Present initially? You just didn't feel well. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.960 Biglen when I actually went in. Yeah, I did have 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.640 those symptoms, but they were subtle, So who knows. I mean, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.520 I do I feel bad that I did not present 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.000 myself to the er in the evening? Yes, But what 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.760 I if I were to go through that situation again 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.200 with no knowledge of what was going to happen, I 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.960 probably would have done the same thing because I didn't 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.960 really recognize. And I think the timing was a big deal, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.040 the fact that this happened right before you try to 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.440 go to bed and get a good night's sleep. You know, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.439 you may like if your wife wasn't there with you, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.559 you might have said, like, I'm just going to sleep it, you. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.240 Know, like I ran away by the way. I literally 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.800 she had to chase me down the block. I so 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:07.920 didn't want to chase him in. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.120 Heels, so let me go to the ar. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:10.960 We know what that's like. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.400 Yes, And plus I didn't want to get it he 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.760 was I just didn't think it was possible, and I 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.560 didn't want to get a diagnose of a stroke. How 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:22.120 did you feel emotionally when the diagnosis was made? 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.640 It is something that is like it's it's hard because 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.360 there is some PTSD with that, Like especially when I 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.679 go back in the situations. I just recently went to 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.199 New York, and this happened right after I went to 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.520 New York, So you just you just think all all 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.720 these sort of things like, oh my gosh, did I 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.600 do something here to make this sort of happen. You know, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.680 I got up, I wore my combustion socks. You know, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.040 I got up in the airplane. You know, things like 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.520 that that I'm changing because you're conscious of this that 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.560 there's a difference, you know, and just just things like 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.920 that's a very you know, I feel the show is 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.920 a very stressful situation, you know, because it's it is me, 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.199 and it's just like you. You're performing surgery with many 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.160 multiple cameras on because people are depending on you, cruise 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.120 depending on you, all these kinds of things, you know, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:11.600 so it is hard. Thankfully, I'm doing well. I mean, 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.920 I feel like when I get tired, So mine is 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.640 different than yours because I don't think I have I 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.880 had a full recovery because I truly had a stroke 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.160 that really persisted, and so I know that I have 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.480 to pace myself more. I'm still four and a half 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:29.400 months out, so if I get overtired overworked, I feel 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.240 like I can, you know, symptoms sort of kind of 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.160 come back a little bit, not as bad. Everything's better. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.560 So I say like I'm ninety nine percent, but I 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.839 range between ninety five and ninety nine depending on my 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.839 my my I haven't gotten sick yet, knock on wood, 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.240 but I feel like when that happens, I might sort 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.040 of get a little bit worse. And you know, it's 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.280 really important to me, especially for me and for you, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.520 because we are surgeons. We work with our hands. Thankfully 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.840 this is my non dominant hand, but I know that 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.640 my grip is not as strong now. I mean, I'm 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.000 very good with my fingers now, but in the beginning 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.360 I had a tough time with this side and it 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.360 was really scary. You know that is scary. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.360 I'm curious about one thing because the two of you 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.120 are very similar. You're both very highly trained doctors and 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:12.560 a good. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.520 Way of course, all the good things, yes, all the 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:15.000 good things. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.840 But you're both so smart, and you're both TV stars, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.160 and you're both you know, have these stressful careers. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.360 At your top of your game. What is this? And 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.480 I don't think either of you are people, because I 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.960 know you and I know how into your family you 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.800 are at all of this, and so is Terry. I 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.120 don't think either of you needed a wake up call 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.000 per se. But what is this kind of event do 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:37.320 to you? 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.520 Well, I like to turn lemons into lemonade, and I 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.000 have to believe that this is a blessing in disguise, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.240 that I we caught this at a time where you know, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.400 my blood pressure is not under control, my cholesterol was 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.680 not under control, and I feel like this allowed me 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.440 to stop and really pay attention to myself in a 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.640 time or I could make things better, you know, and 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.439 I think it's hard. I feel like this is a 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.920 great message for people in our age range, you know, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.880 late forties, early fifties, mid fifties or later that you 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.560 feel like, you know, with the filters and plastic surgery 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.200 and cosmetic treatments, you feel like you can look so 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.760 young and then you feel like you are young. And 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.440 but so I didn't want I don't. I'm the worst patient. 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.439 I don't want to see a doctor because that makes 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.800 if I go on bood pressure medications, if I go 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.200 on cluster medications, I'm old, right, that totally right that 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.320 I'm seeing. Yes, you guys understand. So I feel like 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.960 it's very important to take care of yourself because really 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.600 it's crazy how just a low dose of high blood 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.319 pressure medication or you know, cluster medication can actually be 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.840 helped to Yeah, helped, but help help me, you know. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.000 I'm just bummed that now I can't take estrogen because 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.600 the risk of stroke. I'm like pissed off that things 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.680 I can't do now because of the you know, even 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.280 the case get nothing. I'm not that I'm thinking about 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.240 a face stuff now, but I know that there's risk 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.439 on blood dinners. You know, you have to stop those 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.160 kinds of things. So it changes. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.160 Everything for me. When it first happened, I felt I 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.480 went from feeling invulnerable to suddenly I'm vulnerable, And it 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.960 changed my outlook on everything, including how much time do 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.920 I want to spend in the operating room, how many 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.960 hours not smelling the roses? You know, do I need 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.440 to start appreciating the other because to me, I like you. 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.040 I love working, I love all things about being intensely 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.680 focused on the job. But it really did change my 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.480 outlook and it made me much more well. It made 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.920 me hyper vigilant about my health, which it's important for 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.240 you because it sounds like you're you weren't paying that 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.560 much attention to your blood pressure, your cholesterol, and so 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.120 now my numbers are perfect, and I'm sure your numbers 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.320 are going to, if not perfectly already, but your HDL, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:08.400 your LDL, your APPOB, you're going to be all over 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.880 all that stuff, right, right. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.240 I did not have a PFO as far as I know, 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.480 Peyton for him and Ovale, but I and I was 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.120 like kind of pissed that that didn't happen, right, because 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.800 at least that gives you like a reason, right, you're like, Okay, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.840 it's just me and my poor taking care of myself 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.280 and my genes, you know, or something. So it kind 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.640 of was annoying that I didn't. I kind of wish 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:39.480 that that had happened. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:41.080 He praised. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.280 Certain was the case. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.000 I told the guy when he put me under to 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.040 check for that hole in the heart, that could be 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.080 the cause, you know, the little plot that passed through 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.680 on a recent travel chip. I said, you find a PFO, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.440 all right, And he did, and he welcome because he 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.480 goes good news, huge PFO. And of course now I 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.880 have the But in your case, the solution is still 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.880 the same you need. Yours is a little more takes 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.720 a little more effort over a longer sustain period of time. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.320 You got to make sure you're dialed. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.280 But I think maybe. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.160 It's good because again, it makes you want to be 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.600 dialed in more so, you know, and not maybe if 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.080 I said I had a PFO, I'd be like, oh, well, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.400 now that's true. Care of so now I'm good, you 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:23.280 know that kind of thing. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.920 That's that's a very that's a very good point. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.960 When you have a quick, easy reason for why it 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.160 happened and it's fixable, then you stop looking at all 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.320 those other things that you really should be taking care of. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.360 I totally resonate with what you were saying about how 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.240 people don't take care of themselves but they want to 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:38.760 look great. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:40.440 I mean, the amount of people I know. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.840 On peptides and GLP ones that refuse to get their 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:48.160 carotids checked or get a colonoscopy is insane to me. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.680 Yeah, yeah, you got to. We got to get our 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.960 priorities traight. And you know, it is the culture that 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.600 sort of can make this happen because we live in 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.360 this world where it's so visual, and we are in 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.920 this visual world ourselves because we have to keep up 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.919 with the Joneses right ourselves, because we are in this world, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:13.119 and so it is. It's it's a denial, you know that. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.840 It's it's a tough thing. You got to you gotta 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:16.920 pay attention to ourselves. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.640 Are your parents who are also physicians? Are your parents 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:21.240 on top of their health? 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.879 Yeah? They are, they are. They're They're much better than 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.680 I am. And I'm getting there. But of course, isn't 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.720 it weird that you have a child. It is weird. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.880 It's me the fact that I'm also I mean, I've 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.479 got like a neurologists. I've got a cardiologist, I've got 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.000 an internis, I got all these people around me all 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.639 of a sudden. You know, it's just and I have 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.720 parents still that are doing you know, so we have 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.840 this shame kind of doctors. I never thought that I 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.440 would still you know, you you you kind of think 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.000 about that when you're like more in your I feel 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.920 like I would think about that more of my eighties, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.360 my seventies, you know, things like that. But it really 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.720 is important to have those things sort of started or 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.960 kind of getting dialed in, like in your forties and 0:17:58.960 --> 0:17:59.560 your fifties. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.600 Really, last time this happened and we at we sort 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.159 of publicized this. We got hundreds of not thousands of 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.840 emails saying that people got the message and we saved 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.200 a lot of lives. And you coming on, I just 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.760 think it's really important to stress the fact that you're 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.119 in a way lucky because you had signs and symptoms 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.720 that were not necessarily recognized, and you could it could 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.960 have been much worse, much much worse. In fact, when 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.680 you look at the stats, you could be sitting here 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.199 with HEMI paralysis and ending your career. And we know 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.280 lots of people that's happened to. But the take on 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.439 message is if you have any of these be fast 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.400 signs or symptoms, you know, paralysis or weakness or speech problems, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.760 we should when she goes, we'll go over that. What 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.520 I'd love to know, But but you have there's a 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.200 golden hour that you really want to get to within 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.560 sixty minutes to the emergency room. And if someone's feeling 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.200 this way, if they're a friend of yours, if they're 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.560 a loved one, or it's just you, you get your 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.160 ass into the emergency there as because you've got about 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.880 four and a half. The number they give is four 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.679 point five hours to use those clockbusters to limit the 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.080 damage that they can cause. And a stroke is really 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.080 serious and really debilitating a lot of people don't survive it. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.280