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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Annie Rees and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're

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Speaker 1: talking about meat pies. Meat pies, meat pies. Yes, the

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Speaker 1: craving is already already, it is so intense. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is a really good meat pie time. It is for

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. Well, okay, yeah, sure. So so

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Speaker 1: it's Friday, the day that this is coming out, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and Pie Day is tomorrow, which if you don't know

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Speaker 1: what you probably do, because who doesn't like pie? Who

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Speaker 1: doesn't like pie? The number or the food exactly. It's

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Speaker 1: so it's based on kind of a riff on the

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Speaker 1: number three point one, five nine, so on, so on,

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Speaker 1: so on, so on, so on March. Yes. Yes, by

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Speaker 1: the way, producer Tyler can off the top of his

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Speaker 1: head very quickly about the first eighty digits of pie. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and he has it in his bathroom. He has like

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Speaker 1: a framed photo of it, which we know because we

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Speaker 1: played D and D together. Also we're friends. But yeah, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear him, do that. I've got

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Speaker 1: an episode about Pie Day on on my other show

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Speaker 1: Brain Stuff that's coming out tomorrow. And at the end,

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Speaker 1: he does a recitation. That's awesome. It's really cool. That's

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Speaker 1: so cool. I was like reading it off the script

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Speaker 1: and screwed it up and he like cut in and

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Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I'm sorry, I just really have

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Speaker 1: to do this, and he just like did it for

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Speaker 1: like for like twenty seconds, and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, it's so good. We work with the coolest

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Speaker 1: people I know, right, I love Okay. Anyway, So so

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Speaker 1: pies prizes. So yeah, we were frequently celebrate Pie Day,

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Speaker 1: the p I Pie Day with pies. P I e

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Speaker 1: s a lot of free pies around Atlanta and probably

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Speaker 1: wherever you are as well. Were also Friday thirteenth, the

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Speaker 1: Good Spooky Day. Yes, so we thought, how can we

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Speaker 1: combine Friday and Pie Day meat pies because they do

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Speaker 1: feature in a lot of revenge plots, Yes, like a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go into it in a minute. We

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Speaker 1: are also just wanted to note Georgia Tech, my alma mater,

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Speaker 1: they do an annual Pie Day run and we have

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Speaker 1: the Pie Miles so you can see cut across campus.

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Speaker 1: So anyone actually is probably canceled o sad, but meat pies.

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Speaker 1: I love them. Oh yeah, me too. My mom made

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Speaker 1: I scientifically the best chicken pot pie, and I used

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Speaker 1: to make Shepherd's pie for any Harry Potter related events. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I remember the first time I had a meat

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Speaker 1: pie in Australia and it was really cold outside and

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Speaker 1: the pie was so warm and it was so wonderful.

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Speaker 1: It just sticks out my brain that experience, and I

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Speaker 1: had them all the time in the UK New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: We don't really here in the US. It's harder to

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Speaker 1: find these hand meat pies, yeah, but in those places everywhere,

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Speaker 1: so I took advantage. Absolutely. There is a meat pie place.

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Speaker 1: They also do sweet pies, but they do both in

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Speaker 1: the mall next to what I call Dragon con Territory,

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Speaker 1: which is downtown in Atlanta, and it's helped me get

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Speaker 1: through many a dragon Oh gosh, I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: look for them. But anyway, Yes, my my dad would

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Speaker 1: make a chicken pot pie for like at work and

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Speaker 1: bring some home sometimes because he was a he was

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Speaker 1: a cheffer a cook depending on how you want to

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Speaker 1: only dishes, though he would not cook that home. I

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Speaker 1: think that he hated rolling out pastry does as much

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Speaker 1: as I do. Um. Oh, gosh, I know, right, but uh,

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Speaker 1: but gosh do I love a meat pie? Uh? The

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Speaker 1: that that one time that I was in England for

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Speaker 1: like a week, I had like about one meat pie

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Speaker 1: The most spectacular one I had was, um, this this

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Speaker 1: lamb shank pie at a pub called the Coal Hole

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Speaker 1: the Savoy Hotel. And they baked holding bone in lamb

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Speaker 1: never had such an epic meat pieh experience. I was

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Speaker 1: also drinking a lot of pub ale at the time. Um,

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Speaker 1: I've certainly gotta up my savory meat game. Um. And

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Speaker 1: that Lauren and I did. Yea so um. So, if

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Speaker 1: Um and yeah, he's uh, he's got a podcast probably

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Speaker 1: Richard plays the judge in a case of like X

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Speaker 1: versus why, and so Annie and I did a pie

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Speaker 1: versus cake. Yes, yes, and we will keep you updated.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, let's know when it drops. It was

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Speaker 1: very intense. Yeah, and I think that's in part because

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Speaker 1: we are both intense. Perhaps that is. I don't think

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Speaker 1: apparently not. But you know, we had a good time.

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Speaker 1: We had a good time, and we have our way

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Speaker 1: of doing things. Okay, we have standards to uphold. For

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Speaker 1: our drink podcast, we thought we had to represent yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we certainly represented something something. It was fun. It

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Speaker 1: was fun. It was but okay, let's let's get to

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Speaker 1: our question. Meat pies. What are they? Well, a meat

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Speaker 1: pie is a type of pie that contains seasoned meat,

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Speaker 1: generally among other contents like vegetables and door grains and

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Speaker 1: pastry crust with savory fillings um baked or pan fried

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Speaker 1: or deep fried. Those fillings are usually cut into bite

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Speaker 1: The fillings are sometimes mixed with a thick saucer or

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Speaker 1: gravy to lend moisture to the product. You know, like

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Speaker 1: keep the crust tender and prevent the crust from burning,

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Speaker 1: Um that crust, it can be thick or thin, crumbly

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Speaker 1: Sometimes times the crust is also park cooked before you

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Speaker 1: They're usually served warm and the result of well, it varies.

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Speaker 1: It because every culture I mean right in if you

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Speaker 1: but gosh, like maybe you've had Indian samosa um, those

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Speaker 1: there's tortiller double crusted meat pie out of Quebec or

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Speaker 1: Chinese jian bing, which are pan fried like like a

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Speaker 1: Um is cal zone a meat pie? Dumb? Dumb? Is it? Yeah? Um?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know in the brief research I

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Speaker 1: did for that aforementioned Richard Blaye thing. People have strong

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Speaker 1: opinions about all every certain type of whether it's a

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Speaker 1: some fun etymology for you. The word pie probably came

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Speaker 1: So prior to the six hundreds these birds were just

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Speaker 1: called pies or pies. But why name the food after them?

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Speaker 1: Perhaps after their habit of sticking all kinds of things

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Speaker 1: Throughout history, all kinds of things have and still do

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Speaker 1: so possible. Sure, yes. Magpies also went by haggis and hags.

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Speaker 1: I can hear, I can hear the subscriptions going down.

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Speaker 1: health food. Um. So the balance between those two factors

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Speaker 1: are convenient in that way because they do come in

422
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: their own container. Exactly makes sense to me. During the

423
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: thirteenth century, we see the first mentions of mince pies

424
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: as European crusaders coming back from the Middle East with

425
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: recipes involving spices, meats, and fruits arrived and they became

426
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: associated with religious meals. Okay, okay. Mince Pies were subsequently

427
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: banned during the seventeenth century under Oliver Cromwell's rule because

428
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: as a Puritan a pie it was too indulgent for Cromwell. Guy,

429
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: that guy. Because of this, people were eating pie and

430
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: secret for sixteen years. Wow, and this is of those things.

431
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: When I read, I thought, surely that that's apocryphal or

432
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: that's just a fun story. Seems to be true. It

433
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: seems to me it's like no pie, okay, I'm telling you.

434
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: According to the Dictionary, the word pie was used to

435
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: refer to the food all the way back to one

436
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Canterbury Tales mentions pie for eating p y e yes.

437
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: During medieval times in Europe, pie crust was still much

438
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: much deffer, often requiring a spoon or some other implement

439
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: to crack it open. These crust could be baked first

440
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: and would form sort of pie in the pot that like,

441
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: this is where we get the turn pot pie. Okay, Yeah,

442
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: sweet pies were called tarts, with recorded recipes dating back

443
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: to the hundreds. Since sugar was so expensive during the time,

444
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these tarts didn't have sugar unless you're

445
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: in the upper class. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure that

446
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: tart is still British English for a sweet pie, and

447
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: pie generally means a savory pie, though there does also

448
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: seem to be a distinction between tart being open topped

449
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: and a pie being closed up as well. I ran

450
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: into that a lot when I was doing my preliminary research. Yes, okay,

451
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: we have to talk about animated pies. Animated pies like

452
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: like in like like like Beauty and the Beast or something. No,

453
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: I was like, is there an animated pie? I don't

454
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: think there is. I was stretching. Yes, okay. These were

455
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: a popular form of entertainment at European banquets during the Okay,

456
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: so you might have heard of them through this nursery

457
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: rhyme sing a song of sixpence four and twenty blackbirds

458
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: baked in a pie. When the pie was opened, the

459
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: birds began to sing. Wasn't that a dainty dish to

460
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: set before the king? Or maybe you're in or some

461
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: birds flying out of Geoffreeze pie if you watched Game

462
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: of Thrones. So yeah, these were pies that had live

463
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: animals and sometimes humans and sometimes other things um inside them,

464
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: anything from birds or rabbits to turtles to frogs ready

465
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: to emerge when the crust was cut. I love the

466
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: frogs thing. I did too. I just think it would

467
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: be chaos, right, You're like frogs hopping everywhere? Are birds

468
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: flying out and attacking people? I don't know. I don't

469
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: think they probably wouldn't attack people. I mean, I don't

470
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: know the hearts of birds, that's true, But you are

471
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: suspicious of the hearts of birds. I am. We've discussed

472
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: at length. For some reason, Producer Andrew still likes me

473
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: to spite that. Well. I'm glad that you two were

474
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: able to work it out. Work it out, um. So,

475
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: just to be clear, the animals and or people were

476
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: not baked into the pie. No, Yes, they were added

477
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: after the crust had been cooked, either via a hole

478
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: in the bottom or by lifting the top and then

479
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: replacing it back. Yeah right. French King Charles the Fifth

480
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: love to throw banquets with all sorts of entertainment when

481
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: he ranged during the Threds, and food was no exception.

482
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: His chefs created what they called subtlety or subtlety. I

483
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: didn't look into it, but I have a real hope

484
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: that this is where the word subtlety comes from. I

485
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: suspect yes. And these were ornamentally disguised foods, frequently not

486
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: meant to be eaten. Um. Also, as time went on,

487
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: subtlety could refer to all kinds of entertainment, not just food. Okay,

488
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: to add further confusion, but anyway. One famous example came

489
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: from the chef of the Duke of Burgundy when he

490
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: made a pie big enough to house twenty eight musicians

491
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: that played as the pie was opened, plus a quote

492
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: captive girl meant to symbolize how the church was captive

493
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. Twenty eight musicians inside a pie

494
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: plus a plus a lady plus a lady. That's a lotus.

495
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: There was a big pie in sixteen t you six

496
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: At a banquet for King Charles the First and Queen

497
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Henrietta Maria, they were served a pie with a very

498
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: small child dressed in armor inside, and he rose up

499
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: as the pie was opened and bowed to the queen.

500
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: His name was Jeffrey Hudson, though after this he was

501
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: dubbed Lord Minimus. He served her for almost two decades,

502
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: was twice kidnapped by pirates and jailed after a duel.

503
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: And why is this not a movie or a show

504
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: on HBO? Oh gosh, the The Adventures of Lord Minimus.

505
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: I want it. I think it will happen to get

506
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: a story right. It's too good. A book out of

507
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Italy about throwing baquets had this recommendation, Oh god, here

508
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: we go. You got this at this? Are you okay? Okay?

509
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: Believe in you? Okay, okay? To make pie that the

510
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: birds may be alive in them and fly out when

511
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: it is cut up. Make the coffin of a great

512
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: pie or pastry in the bottom thereof make a hole

513
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: as big as your fist, or bigger if you will,

514
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: let the size of the coffin be somewhat higher than

515
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: ordinary pies, which done, put it full of flour and

516
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: bake it, and being baked, open the hole in the

517
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: bottom and take out the flower. Then having a pie

518
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: of the bigness of the hole in the bottom of

519
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: the coffin. Afore said, you shall put it into the coffin,

520
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: with all put into the said coffin round about the

521
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: afour said pie, as many small live birds as the

522
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: empty coffin will hold besides the pie. And this is

523
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: to be at such time as you send the pie

524
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: to the table, And said before the guest we're uncovering

525
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: are cutting up the lid of the great pie, all

526
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: the birds will fly out, which is to delight and

527
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: pleasure shoe to the company. And because they shall not

528
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: be altogether mocked, you shall cut open the small pie.

529
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: And in this sort you may make many others. And

530
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: like you may do with the tart. That's a recipe

531
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really see so much these days. That's the

532
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: first one of those that I've ever read me do,

533
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: And it was quite fun. Oh gosh, I'm just I'm

534
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: just thinking about just just baseline sanitation issues of having

535
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: a pie that you're going to eat and a whole

536
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: bunch of birds, Yes, in the same unit of space.

537
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: It is true that that, But you know, at a

538
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: certain point, have fun with it, right, enjoy yourself. I

539
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: suppose I mean, we still do those cakes where ladies

540
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: pop out. I don't think I think it's a is

541
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: it not a real case? I think it's like cardboard

542
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: and plastic. Wow, I've been living a lot this whole time.

543
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I didn't not I could be wrong. I'm not sure.

544
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll have to do an episode on it. Maybe.

545
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, yes. Uh. Meanwhile, during all of

546
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: this time, um like since like the eighth century, Muslims

547
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: had been living in and sometimes ruling in parts of

548
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: what's now the Iberian Peninsula, and they brought with them

549
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: meat pies, possibly the same ones that inspire its mosa um.

550
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Those went on to inspire and panadas. By the fifteen twenties,

551
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: a Catalan cookbook mentions seafood and panatas. Also during the

552
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: sixteenth century, pastry ingredients started uppearing in recipes. This is

553
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: probably because this is when cookbooks started being made not

554
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: only for professional chefs, yeah, or like not quite like

555
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: professional chefs like we think of them today, because that

556
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing yet outside of rural courts, um but

557
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: but but rather like up until this point, cookbooks would

558
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: have been ways for royal courts to share information and

559
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: like show off to each other. Um. But after the

560
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: printing press was invented in the fourteen hundreds, books slowly

561
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: became available to like, not just the upper upper class,

562
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: but also like the regular upper class. Yeah. Um so

563
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: these early printed cookbooks around the sixteenth century um uh

564
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: and and like books of household management were for the

565
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: heads of estates and for their staff. Um and so

566
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: therefore recipes got a little bit more practical to actually

567
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: share something useful rather than just being likely look at

568
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: what I did, I am better than you. Records show

569
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: that the English and Irish were making shepherd's pie and

570
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: cottage pie by the seventeenth century. Lamb and vegetable filling

571
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: for shepherd's pie Shepherd's ten lamb makes sense, beef and

572
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: vegetables for cottage pie, and both topped with potatoes. So

573
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: this means I should have been making cottage pie for

574
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: my Harry Potter parties because you were using ground beef. Well, yes,

575
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: I should have been using ground beef because you know

576
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: it's it. It's based in I guess it's based in Scotland,

577
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: so I should check out what's going on there. I

578
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: suspect both Honestly, both Yeah, at this point, definitely. Um,

579
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: these were frugal pies, ways to use up leftovers and

580
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: cheap available ingredients. Again, that's a recurring theme. Cottage is

581
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: thought to refer to this and that the lower class

582
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: who were probably making and eating that pie frequently lived

583
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: in cottages. As European colonists arrived in North America, they

584
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: brought with them their favorite pie recipes and then adapted

585
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: those recipes to what was available in the New World.

586
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: Pie was often present at every meal for early American pioneers,

587
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: and since food is such a huge part of any

588
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: kind of celebration, pies became involved in all kinds of

589
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: contests and celebrations like fairs, are picnics, the Blue Ribbon

590
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: pie um. The move westward of people gave way to

591
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: the development of more regional pies as well. In the

592
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred settlers in Quebec eight tortiller as a part

593
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: of their post Christmas Eve mass celebrations. I've seen a

594
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: lot of things about how pies were connected to holidays

595
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: in these times, for sure. From Martha's Historic Cookbook, one

596
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: of George Washington's favorite pies was filled with sweetbreads, which

597
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: are neither sweet nor bread um. And you can see

598
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: our episode therefore named um uh about the ingredient from

599
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: June of when He's seventeen for more on that. Yes,

600
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: also a video we did, Oh we did. That was

601
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: a delicious video. It was very very good and it

602
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: has one of the most um I think, touching visuals

603
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: of people sharing, like laughing and sharing times over food

604
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: because Tyler, who was our video editor producer at the time,

605
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: he we didn't know it, but he left the camera

606
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: running as we ate. We shared this food together, sweetbreads,

607
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: and we were just like laughing and having a good

608
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: time and eating, clearly enjoying ourselves, and he sped it up.

609
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: And I don't know, every time I watch it, I

610
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: get a little touched, like I have food. Yes, yes,

611
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: So you can find that online. It is available. In

612
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, Germany's Emperor William the First was treated

613
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: to his favorite pie when visiting England's Queen Victoria. A

614
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: pie with here we go, an entire turkey, stuffed with

615
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: an entire chicken, stuffed with an entire pheasant, stuffed with

616
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: an hire woodcock. Oh now that is quite the pie.

617
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: That is a filling pie. That is that is a pie.

618
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: But okay, why is it that pies in America are

619
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: most often associated with dessert? Why is it Annie? Why

620
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: is it Well, when sugar became more affordable, sweet pies

621
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: became more than norm in the United States. According to

622
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Carl Degler in Out of Our Past The Forces that

623
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: shaped Modern America, quote, pie in England to this day

624
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: means a meat pie, but in the colonies that was

625
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: a pope pie. Pie was reserved for the fruit pastry.

626
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: And I believe he goes on to say, or somebody

627
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: else in this kind of argument about what how did

628
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: this happen in the US said it was just kind

629
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: of us being spiteful too, Like we're gonna call this

630
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: thing pie, We're gonna call your meat pie pie, doing

631
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: our own thing. Yeah, that's the very like America going

632
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: through there, Like I mean, not just teenager phase but right.

633
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: But it was a very right, whole rebellion. Yes, yes,

634
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: and we've talked about that before as well with cookies. Right,

635
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a dessert type we were we got

636
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: sugar here, um, but that doesn't mean that savory prize

637
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: weren't around. Sure in the United States. Going back to Amelia,

638
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: Simmons is American cookery. The ratio of sweet to savory

639
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 1: recipes in that for pies is about even. But as

640
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: sugar plantations proliferated across the southern United States and and

641
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: elsewhere nearby, sweet pies were super exciting. I was trying

642
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: to really imagine this other day. Imagine you had never

643
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: really had access to that level of sweetness. It had

644
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: kind of been out of your reach, and then this

645
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: whole world opens up to you, and of course you'd

646
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we could put we could put sugar

647
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: in there, we can sugar in there, Like why not,

648
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah, I get it. I totally, I

649
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: totally see drunk on sugar power, on sugar power. When

650
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Europeans settled New Zealand in the nineteenth century, they fundamentally

651
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: transfer armed the food culture there, and one of the

652
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: first recorded instances of a meat pie in that country

653
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: dates back to eighteen sixty three, most likely a mutton pie. Yeah.

654
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: Australia and New Zealand both very big meat pie cultures,

655
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: very much. I believe someone wrote in called it like

656
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: it's an icon. It's an icon. Yeah. During probition America,

657
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: the alcohol content of canned mince pie filling shot up

658
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: by fourteen percent. Indeed. Um In ninety seven, speaking of

659
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Australian meat pie icons um, the brand four and twenty debut. Yes,

660
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: it's named after the four and twenty Blackbirds poem. Um. Today,

661
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: four and twenty is just a mainstay of Australian football

662
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: stadiums and convenience stores. They're everywhere. Yeah um. In nineteen

663
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: fifty one, the first frozen meat pie hit the supermarkets,

664
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: a Swanson's Chicken pot pie. Yes, I've had a many

665
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: of those. Oh, yes, me too. In nineteen seven, a

666
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: meat pie based fast food chain in New Zealand, Georgie Pie,

667
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: opened the doors of its first stores. It closed in

668
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, but in two thousand thirteen McDonald's added

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Speaker 1: Georgie Pies to its menu. Yeah, I'm not sure if

670
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: it's still on it if anyone right in and firm.

671
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: In two thousand three, Louisiana legislature named Nakatush meat pie

672
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: as the official meat pie. And I've actually had these, yeah,

673
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: for those who haven't, It's like an empanada filled with

674
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: spiced meat. And the legend of Nakatush meat pies nineteenth

675
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: century vendors used to shout hot to meat pies. Historians

676
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: put four theories that they originate from both French and

677
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: Spanish settlers. Probably is a coming together of a lot

678
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: of things, as is with many things in Louisiana food culture. Yeah. Absolutely,

679
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: So that's about what we have to say on meat pies.

680
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Although we could have kept going and going, oh my gosh, yeah,

681
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: this is one that I had to really hold myself

682
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: back on. Um, And so to avoid just all of

683
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: the yeah, we'll have to do individual episodes on many,

684
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: many many things, yes, many many delicious things. Like I was,

685
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: I was doing research for this last night as the

686
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: hour was growing late, and I was and I was

687
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: eating dinner, and I was like, oh no, so I

688
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: as I have said, I was recently in Montreal, and um,

689
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: it was very cold up there, quite cold. And somebody

690
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: in the group because I went for a puppetry festival

691
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: and we were having a group dinner and somebody got

692
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: shepherd's pie and I freaked out. And he didn't know me,

693
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: like we knew each other, but not that well. And

694
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I was like, oh my god,

695
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: can I take a picture? And he was like Okay,

696
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: let's step back. It's going on here, and said, oh

697
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: I want a food buck. Okay, I gokay, just an

698
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: episode on me pies. Oh that's delightful. Yeah yeah, he

699
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: was very patient. I'll probably be posting that picture soon. Yeah.

700
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: Cool fun times. Oh yeah, I need to I have

701
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: I have some little like like frozen samosas and my

702
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: freezer that I somehow did not eat all of last night.

703
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: But I'm coming for you samosa's. Your time is limited.

704
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: I've never made a meat pie at home. I pie

705
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: crest again, like just kind of pisces me off. So h,

706
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: but I think I'm thinking I'm gonna have to make one. Absolutely, Um,

707
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't I think I might cheat

708
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: or not technically make a shepherd's pie because I don't

709
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: think I do the bottom crust. Oh you're making a casserole.

710
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: That's different. And I've been lying to myself and my

711
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: friends all this time. My hairy potter thing parties are inaccurate.

712
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: I am brought shame to my house of Griffin or yeah,

713
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: five points from Griffin door, dude, says the huffle puff

714
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: who's buy the kitchens and knows these things. I couldn't

715
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: afford to lose the point. Griffin Door always wins. Anyway,

716
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: It's okay always. I know there's like that one time,

717
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: and I still think about that one time. I will

718
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: update my if I ever have a Harry Potter theme

719
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: party again, which seems really likely, I'll update the menu. Okay, okay, good,

720
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm glad I could meet your standards. Maybe we should.

721
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: We can join up and you can make a meat

722
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: by and I can make a meat by, and then

723
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: we'll mark off two things on our list. Oh. Perfect, Yeah,

724
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: and then everyone gets to eat more meat pie. I

725
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: love it. Perfect, let's do it. Okay. In the meanwhile,

726
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: we um we do have some listener mail. But first

727
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: we've got another quick break for a word from our sponsor.

728
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, and

729
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: we're back with it feels like a very like I

730
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: don't know something. In Lord of the Rings you need

731
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: a lot of meat pies. For some reason, I associate

732
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: gruffness with Lord of the Rings. Maybe I just GIMBLI

733
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: really made an impact of h Yeah, I gotta explain

734
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: my process, no I oh gosh, Chelsea wrote, First, I

735
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: want to thank you both for your wonderful podcast. Oh

736
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: thank you. I have been listening since day one and

737
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: have learned so much. Today I listened to your Macadamia

738
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Net episode and I wanted to share a brief story

739
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: related to macadamia nuts and dogs to save you unnecessary panic.

740
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: This story ends happily, so don't worry. Oh gosh, I worried. Yes,

741
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm so good you had that in there. About ten

742
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: years ago, my parents went on vacation to Hawaii. While

743
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: they were there, my mom purchased about a dozen boxes

744
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: of Mauna Loa chocolate covered mcadamia nuts to bring home

745
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: as gifts for friends and family. Each box of a

746
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: dozen chocolate custers was individually shrink wrapped and taped shut.

747
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: When she got home, she placed the boxes in a

748
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: shopping bag and left them in our garage so that

749
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: they would stay cool and not melt cool. It takes sense, definitely.

750
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: Later that day, we all went out to dinner, and

751
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: we returned. We were shocked and horrified to see a

752
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: trail of chocolate boxes littering the floor of the garage

753
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: all the way to the dog door, and continuing on

754
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: into that. Each box had been torn apart and chewed.

755
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Two pieces, enraged that her precious gifts had been so

756
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: heartlessly devoured by our dog. I'm bombarded into the house

757
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: and shouted for our schnauser, Coda to come. Not surprisingly,

758
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Coda was keeping a low profile, or so we thought.

759
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: We found him a moment later, lying on the floor

760
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: in the family room, desperately trying to run to us,

761
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: but unable to stand. From what we could tell, his

762
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: front legs were working, but his hind legs were a mobile.

763
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Sure enough, the side of my dad sent him into

764
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: joyful panic, and he proceeded to drag himself across the

765
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: floor like a seal to get to him. We all

766
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: freaked out and rushed into the animal hospital to see

767
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: what was wrong. Turns out Schnauzers are particularly susceptible to

768
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: macadamia nut poisoning. Fortunately, the vet told us that the

769
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: paralyzing effects were only temporary and would go away within

770
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: a few days. Once it became clear that Coda would

771
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: be okay, everyone's mood shifted from fear and anxiety to

772
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: smug satisfaction that greedy dog had gotten the karma you

773
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: so richly deserved. None of us had gotten to try

774
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: the magical macadamia nutclusters, and now we never would. Of course,

775
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: it didn't take along for his pitiful seal crawl and

776
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: sad face to have us all spoiling him for the

777
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: next few days. But I don't think my mom ever

778
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: forgave him for what he did. I hope you find

779
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: this story as entertaining as our family does. We still

780
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: laugh about it, and it's become a fond memory and

781
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: a valuable lesson for all of us. Yes, yeah, those

782
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: are some sour grapes. I like it. Yeah, I love

783
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: I have one story that's close to this. Well, no,

784
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: I probably have more, but one that comes immediately to

785
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: mind right eight, an entire sixty four ounce Hershey's bar

786
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: to myself during Constantine the movie. Oh gosh. Within ten

787
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: minutes of that movie being over, my friends have been

788
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: making fun of me, like you shouldn't do that, and

789
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I was like, ha ha, I was projectile, just stocolate.

790
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: It lasted for so long, like my friends eventually said, look,

791
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: I gotta go home feel better. Wow, So that was

792
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: pretty pretty quick. Just desserts. Oh no, uh, well, I'm

793
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: sorry that that happened to you, and I'm glad that

794
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: an important lesson was learned that day, sim I learned.

795
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: I still over eat quite often, but maybe not sixty

796
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: four ounces of chocolate. No, I don't do that anymore.

797
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Good for you, Yes, thank you. Rose wrote it is

798
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: my civic duty to bring to light a very important topic,

799
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: parogies versus paroshky's. Not knowing the difference can have real

800
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: world consequences. It can cost you your livelihood. I kid

801
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: you not. I know because it happened to me. In

802
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: your recent episode on Parogue's, they were described as parogy

803
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: are filled dumplings of Central and Eastern European origin, made

804
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: by wrapping unleavened dough around a savory or sweet filling,

805
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: and cooking and boiling water or pan frying. Personally, for

806
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: the longest time, I was not fond of paroges. I'm

807
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of the mashed potato filling, but

808
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of paros keys. From Wikipedia, Posky

809
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: are Russian and Ukrainian baked or fried, yeast leavened, boat

810
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: shaped buns with a variety of fillings. Paroshky are a

811
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: popular street food and comfort food in far Eastern Europe.

812
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: In Seattle, we have both a small Polish community and

813
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Ukrainian Russian community, meaning we have both perogus and paroskey shops,

814
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: mostly parosh Key and even one of the most famous

815
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: establishments in Pike Place Market Paroshky. Paroshky will have long

816
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: lines wrapped around the corner to get one of their

817
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: baked treats as cinnamon spice fills the air from their

818
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: apple Peroshki with a variety of fillings both sweet and savory,

819
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: all wrapped in a fluffy, yeasted dough and baked to

820
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: golden perfection. Paroshky can't be beat. Well, if you think

821
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: those are fighting words, you're not wrong. Many years ago,

822
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: I applied to a coveted work position in Japan. After

823
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: going through several rounds of interviews, testing, and even flying

824
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: to l A for the last interview stage, I thought

825
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: I had a great chance at getting the position. The

826
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: last interview was a group interview, and for some stupid reason,

827
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I brought up my love of Paroshky's. Out of nowhere,

828
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: one of the other interviewees pops up and corrects me

829
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: and says, no, you mean parogus a guest, and a

830
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: little startled, I said, no, paroshkeys, a baked, delicious treat

831
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: with different fillings from Russia. The second interview, he chimes in, no,

832
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: that's a perogue and they're boiled, not baked, and they're Polish.

833
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: Now I was just mad. First off, do not tell

834
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: me there's no such thing as a paroshky, and second,

835
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: don't fight with me about it during a job interview.

836
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: After several back and forth, the other interviewees decided I

837
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: made up paroshki because I was too embarrassed to admit

838
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: I was wrong. Needless to say, I did not get

839
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: the job, and those two yets is did. So. Yes, people,

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Speaker 1: somebody in a job. And now this is also why

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Speaker 1: I strongly disapprove of group interviews. Yeah, yeah, I mean honestly,

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Speaker 1: like I would say, Rose that you probably actually like

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Speaker 1: sort of lucked out, because any company that puts you

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Speaker 1: through that does not have your best interests at heart. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then they don't even know about Yeah, and they certainly

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Speaker 1: didn't learn their lesson delicious paroshki. No, they didn't. Lessons,

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Speaker 1: very important lessons. Yes, I do want to add another

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Speaker 1: thing from Montreal. I met someone from Alberta, the giant parogi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and she had pictures on her phone and

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Speaker 1: she showed me the giant egg. It's huge and it

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Speaker 1: moves cool. I know, alright, but she was telling me

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Speaker 1: all about all the Parogue options she's from, and I

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Speaker 1: felt such jealousy. Yeah, we'll just have to go two bad,

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Speaker 1: said twist our arm. Well, thanks to both of them

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Speaker 1: you can. Our email is hello at savor pod dot com.

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