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Speaker 2: We have one of our favorite guests of all time,
Speaker 2: one of the listener's favorite guests of all time.
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Speaker 2: the country with his YouTube searches and his niche interests
Speaker 2: and obviously his love of cold brew. The Poetry Window
Speaker 2: will consider that shit open because we are welcoming in
Speaker 2: our third set our guest today, mister Chris Craft.
Speaker 3: What's up, Chris, Welcome to the Chris Kroft and Daily Zeitgeist. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Am Wow what the Eagles and then Neil Young.
Speaker 3: I know, two champions, two champions of the white community.
Speaker 4: Time.
Speaker 1: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what he did. I didn't know I
Speaker 2: thought Horse with No Name was a Neil Young song,
Speaker 2: but it's not. It's some dude who is trying to
Speaker 2: be like Neil I guess what what what dudes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, some dudes trying to sound like Neil Young America.
Speaker 2: And then you recognize obviously part of Jaques's AKA not
Speaker 2: Like Us, because, like I was quizzing you before, you
Speaker 2: you have intersected with the Kendrick Lamar beef ending track.
Speaker 1: Not Like Us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I cannot I can't believe. I'm just I'm
Speaker 3: just humble as a white man to know about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, and I and I.
Speaker 3: And it's just a testament to how far that has
Speaker 3: gone that a man my age of my complexion knows
Speaker 3: about this fucking beef you, Chris, was.
Speaker 2: It like a thing where you're like, what what? Why
Speaker 2: is everybody keep talking about miners and stuff? The fuck
Speaker 2: is going on? And then you just kind of naturally
Speaker 2: figured it out or on YouTube enough that you figured
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 3: I just fucking I'm online, yeah, way too much. And
Speaker 3: so I know about a little bit about Drake being
Speaker 3: accused of that sort of stuff, and then I but
Speaker 3: I didn't know, I mean obviously, and I know Kendrick
Speaker 3: Lamar a little bit, but so I don't exactly know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I mean, I know I've heard
Speaker 2: the song.
Speaker 1: I've heard the song.
Speaker 3: I've heard the song. I just don't know exactly what
Speaker 3: is going on or Yeah that's fine. But I think
Speaker 3: that as far as I can tell, it was a
Speaker 3: big win for Kendrick yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And a big loss for Drake. Yeah yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think he'll be back because Drake's like Avengers movies for
Speaker 2: the music indust like they need they need him to
Speaker 2: generate hits. But we'll see. The brand is pretty fucked
Speaker 2: up though at the moment. So I mean I say this,
Speaker 2: like Drake is gonna sell records, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: When he makes a song, and especially if it's a hit,
Speaker 5: it's gonna give radio play.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But he's getting the rap community, Yeah, that nigga is.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is.
Speaker 2: People will like forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People are not looking at him. He will be viewed
Speaker 2: as like a right to like hip hop.
Speaker 1: Fans right for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure, capital age Drake fans, capitol age hip hop fans. Exactly.
Speaker 1: What is something from your search histories that's revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are? Alex? You want to kick us off.
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, okay, I don't. The thing is, I don't
Speaker 6: think so I use Duck duckgo, and so it doesn't
Speaker 6: actually keep the search history. And if I actually look
Speaker 6: at my Google history, it's actually going to be really shameful.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be me like searching my own name to
Speaker 6: see it, like if people are like ship talking to
Speaker 6: me online.
Speaker 1: Now, this isn't just how we tell if someone's honest,
Speaker 1: is if they actually give that answer, we're like, okay.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you actually search yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Actually, but I think the last thing I actually searched
Speaker 6: was like queer barbers in the Bay Area because I
Speaker 6: haven't had a haircut in like a year, and I
Speaker 6: think I need to turm up or get you know,
Speaker 6: air out the the sides of my head for pride months.
Speaker 6: So that's yeah, that's elastic. I searched, what.
Speaker 1: Are you going? You're going full shaved on the sides.
Speaker 6: Or maybe trim it a little bit and up the
Speaker 6: back and bring out the curls a little bit.
Speaker 1: So okay, love it? Yeah on board.
Speaker 2: I wish I could a few more days in look.
Speaker 6: In July like discounts, Like it's like like after Valentine's Day,
Speaker 6: do I get an undercut at fifty percent off?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Emily, how about you? What's something from your search history?
Speaker 7: So forgive the poor pronunciation of this and the rest
Speaker 7: of the story because Spanish is not one of my languages.
Speaker 7: But champurrado, Oh yeah, it's something I search instress.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I was in Mexico City for a conference last
Speaker 7: week and at one of the coffee breaks, they had
Speaker 7: coffee and decaf coffee, and then they had.
Speaker 1: And the Spanish pronunt give us about that?
Speaker 2: What do you see when you see that?
Speaker 1: Way? Champarado Mexican hot chocolate.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're literally Google results.
Speaker 7: So the the labels all had like translations into English,
Speaker 7: and so it was champurado with o hack and chocolatem Like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I got that. What's choppado? And so I look it
Speaker 7: up because I want to know what I'm consuming before
Speaker 7: I consume it. And it's basically a corn flour based
Speaker 7: thick drink like chocolate corn soup.
Speaker 2: It was amazing, chocolate corn soup.
Speaker 1: You had me until chocolate corn soup.
Speaker 6: The corn is just a thickening yeah, chocolate drink.
Speaker 7: Yeah, slight corn flavor, like think corn tortilla, not on
Speaker 7: the cob.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah that sounds amazing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 1: I love some corn flakes in a chocolate bar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: corn chocolate. There you go, Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: You gotta arrive in your own way back with the
Speaker 2: corn chocolate.
Speaker 7: It was really good and just awesome that it was there.
Speaker 7: Like you know, the the coffee breaks had like the
Speaker 7: Mexican sweetbreads and stuff like that, but otherwise it was
Speaker 7: pretty standard like coffee break stuff, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: there's this wonderful mystery drink.
Speaker 8: The big urns was it was lovely.
Speaker 1: That sounds great. What is something you think is underrated? Emily?
Speaker 8: I think Seattle's weather is underrated.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, everyone makes fun of our weather and like,
Speaker 7: you know, fine believe that we don't need lots of
Speaker 7: people coming here. And it's true it gets dark in
Speaker 7: the winter, but like almost any day, you can be
Speaker 7: outside and you are not in physical danger because you
Speaker 7: are outside.
Speaker 6: I guess that's that's I mean, if you're going for yeah,
Speaker 6: that's interesting, but I mean it's I mean, the winters
Speaker 6: are just so punishing though it's so gray.
Speaker 8: It's dark.
Speaker 2: But the weather it's dark, it looks it looks like shit,
Speaker 2: but experientially not bad for you. I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, it's when does like it doesn't get all gloomy.
Speaker 2: I imagine in the summer, right, you have wonderful blue
Speaker 2: skies and you can enjoy.
Speaker 8: The gorgeous fire season aside.
Speaker 7: But yeah, from sort of mid October to early January,
Speaker 7: it can be pretty like it's gray and so like
Speaker 7: when the sun is technically above the horizon, it's.
Speaker 8: A little hard to tell.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, right, So, but you know, compared to like Chicago,
Speaker 7: where you have maybe four liverable weeks a year.
Speaker 8: Between the too hot and the two cold.
Speaker 6: Wow, wow, I'll do that. Because my thing was going
Speaker 6: to be because I was just there and I was
Speaker 6: going to say, my answer was going to be, Chicago
Speaker 6: is the best American city. I stand on this, like one, no,
Speaker 6: absolutely not true. No, I'll even deal. I'll even deal
Speaker 6: with I'll deal with the winter. I mean if I okay,
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, if I didn't, you know, if the
Speaker 6: weather in Chicago, if if I could bring Bay Area
Speaker 6: weather to Chicago, I would live in Chicago. I mean
Speaker 6: there's other reasons, but I mean it's it's look, the vibes,
Speaker 6: immaculate street festivals, the neighborhoods. It's the one place that's
Speaker 6: probably the food. It's still comparatively affordable compared to the coasts.
Speaker 6: Radical history, you know, just you know, some of the
Speaker 6: best politics. Yeah, you know, I would say they.
Speaker 1: Shot an issue there, the Fugitive, Oh.
Speaker 6: I did, that's a deep cut. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 6: I think they've shot a lot of Batman movies there,
Speaker 6: because you know, the iconic kind of lower Whacker Drive
Speaker 6: and they call it with them and it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's pretty great city.
Speaker 7: Crappy weather, right, if you're gonna dump on weather somehere.
Speaker 7: Everyone makes fun of Seattle's weather.
Speaker 6: Honestly, Emily, this is a hot take. I'd rather take
Speaker 6: Chicago's weather than Seattle's weather. I can't I can't do gray.
Speaker 6: I can do I.
Speaker 1: Feel like I'm on crossfire.
Speaker 6: I can fridge it, I cannot do gray. It's supers Well.
Speaker 7: This is why I say, like, don't move to Seattle
Speaker 7: if you can't handle our weather. Like the people who
Speaker 7: move here and then complain about the weather, what.
Speaker 1: Do you expect all of this?
Speaker 2: What they say is true about it being great, like
Speaker 2: I'd expect you to be that gray, right. I think
Speaker 2: people talk about it like that.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: I'm going Tesla right now, y'all. I just know you
Speaker 2: guys driving I finally.
Speaker 9: Like rode in a Tesla and really paid attention to
Speaker 9: the feeling of riding in a Tesla car. And I
Speaker 9: gotta say, if you're gonna pay that much money for
Speaker 9: a car, it's got to not feel like a weird
Speaker 9: golf cart that doesn't have any smooth ride.
Speaker 1: It sucks.
Speaker 2: It's a it is not a smooth ride. I would
Speaker 2: much rather be in like a nineteen ninety eight like
Speaker 2: buickless Saber if I if I want to smooth ride,
Speaker 2: But those cars suck to ride in. I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: remember the first time I got in one, I was
Speaker 2: so underwhelmed, like it was weird. I had built up
Speaker 2: Tesla's in my mind like fucking crazy, and I remember
Speaker 2: someone I knew it was like partner, drove one and
Speaker 2: like picked us up to go somewhere. And first I
Speaker 2: fucking embarrassed myself because I know the fucking door handle word. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't get it. I was like, I was like
Speaker 2: rubbing it. The guys gotta push it and then it
Speaker 2: comes out. I was like, all right, and then I
Speaker 2: was immediately I can fuck this door handle. And then
Speaker 2: I got in and then like everything kind of felt
Speaker 2: like like not substantial, Like when I pulled the door thing,
Speaker 2: I was like, is this like just PVC pipe? Like
Speaker 2: the field and synthetic leather. Everything feels very just yeah,
Speaker 2: not substantial, transitory something like they're just you feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: it's fast, and if it goes too fast, the car
Speaker 2: might just kind of like fall apart around you, like
Speaker 2: a cybertruck where the paneling will just turn it like
Speaker 2: into an air fin and bend backwards on it. And
Speaker 2: I feel like we don't even need to talk about those.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, if you drive a cyber truck.
Speaker 2: That's my honestly, that's like my favorite new Like I
Speaker 2: was talking about this on the show the other day.
Speaker 2: My new favorite like form of schodenfreude is watching the
Speaker 2: people with their cyber trucks, Like, I can't the fuck
Speaker 2: is wrong with my car. My steering wheel looks like
Speaker 2: a little batmobile thing, Like my insurance company won't ensure it.
Speaker 9: I think it's actually fully worthwhile to like. My new
Speaker 9: thing with cyber trucks is if I see one, I
Speaker 9: actually turn and point and laugh and see and see
Speaker 9: if I can ever get the person to like be like.
Speaker 1: Man, man, we're leaving at Yeah, well yeah it is
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Uh wow, why are you convulsing?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9: And that you know, obviously the elon thing is is
Speaker 9: is hard to swallow, and I did. There was a
Speaker 9: time when I was like, yeah, ev is so cool.
Speaker 9: And now I'm just like, give us a train. Somebody,
Speaker 9: give us a train. Somebody give us a fast, cool
Speaker 9: train like they have in Europe or Japan or whatever,
Speaker 9: so that I can go somewhere and not have to drive,
Speaker 9: and also not have my car drive me. I don't
Speaker 9: really want that to you.
Speaker 1: I see your train, and I raise you a train
Speaker 1: tunnel that you can drive in Sea Jack.
Speaker 2: This is what we don't want.
Speaker 1: In this house. We believe the Boring Company is the future.
Speaker 1: And I'm just picture.
Speaker 9: I'm just picturing your yard with all of your missile signs.
Speaker 9: It's so many signs.
Speaker 1: So many signs, and that guy keeps shooting lost in yeah,
Speaker 1: what what's something you think is underrate it?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Can I ask my daughter?
Speaker 2: She don't give the Yeah, okay, she don't give from
Speaker 2: I won't even okay.
Speaker 5: Give me something that's overrated? Kids?
Speaker 1: Kids? Okay, what's underrate abortions? There you go.
Speaker 2: A juxtaposition, underrated abortions overrated. Oh wow, that's it's your
Speaker 2: daughter comedian. She came.
Speaker 1: She was quick with that, she she.
Speaker 3: Writes on the show.
Speaker 5: I tell her the time, she need to be a
Speaker 5: damn comedian.
Speaker 1: But she's okay, yeah, right when I.
Speaker 5: Can, I can, let me tell you what I say.
Speaker 5: They overrated because you don't get the tax break you
Speaker 5: used to get for yes, could I mean?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: What's his name? Trump changed that? Yeah, we don't get
Speaker 5: those great tax breaks. Tax break you used to get
Speaker 5: for being poor. You don't get them anymore. So they
Speaker 5: saw overrated. You used to get her income createy. It
Speaker 5: takes a lot to get income creaty. Y'all father the
Speaker 5: hell I'm talking about? Because you didn't need me a
Speaker 5: tax break. So, but they used to give you a
Speaker 5: ship ton of money per child. They don't do that anymore. Right, So, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I used to tell my kids back in the day,
Speaker 5: I said, when you're eighteen, I don't get income text
Speaker 5: return for you, So that means we're done.
Speaker 2: Right, you have no monetary value? No, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: I just have my first child. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see my taxes. And I was
Speaker 2: I was like, what it's like I didn't even have Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, this was the reality I was promised.
Speaker 2: But no, no, no, you said it was purely an investment.
Speaker 2: You said, exactly, it.
Speaker 5: Was a on an investment, as you put it in
Speaker 5: the Mama.
Speaker 1: That was it very business like. He's very business.
Speaker 5: And the crazy part is you don't know how they
Speaker 5: go turn out.
Speaker 2: Right now, I got a few right here.
Speaker 5: I have a few kids right here, and be like
Speaker 5: I kept you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta love him the same. You gotta
Speaker 1: love him the same. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love a lot of my kids. But let me
Speaker 5: say this as a parent, because I have a lot
Speaker 5: of parents the same life. Everybody got a favorite kid.
Speaker 5: Now that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that my mother,
Speaker 5: father don't love everybody. I have a favorite kid. I
Speaker 5: love the rest of y'all, but this is right here,
Speaker 5: it's my favorite.
Speaker 1: And do you tell them though, yeah, you two my favorite. Wait,
Speaker 1: why why is you bug your favorite?
Speaker 5: I think I think because it was my last week,
Speaker 5: it was ten to two. He's just so sweet. He's
Speaker 5: my baby. He's twenty eight three. But like that, when
Speaker 5: I'm just talking.
Speaker 10: To I'm curious.
Speaker 2: Yah See, I'm contemplating another child, maybe down the road.
Speaker 2: And that's my fear is that I wouldn't immediately like
Speaker 2: start comparing them, be like, oh man, this one ain't
Speaker 2: ship compared to the other one. Not like in an
Speaker 2: aggressive way, but that just merely by having multiple kids,
Speaker 2: you have the ability to sort of compare and contrast
Speaker 2: and like, and then from there you are kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe I like the other one better, or maybe I
Speaker 2: like this one better.
Speaker 5: Everybody like one man, everybody. But you get fake as
Speaker 5: parents to say, oh my god, I love all of
Speaker 5: my kids.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 5: One of them is probably smoke, dope. You can't tell
Speaker 5: me if you got a cracky kid that's your favorite,
Speaker 5: ain't gonna say you don't love him, and you ain't
Speaker 5: gonna do anything you can to get him out, dope,
Speaker 5: But that's your fucking head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, people will tell truth.
Speaker 5: My oldest used to be my hand and she's straightening up.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have two kids, but they're like really close
Speaker 1: in age, so it's like back and forth and sometimes
Speaker 1: I can't tell them apart, but they're yeah, back and
Speaker 1: forth between who the favorite is? Yeah, back and forth
Speaker 1: between who the favorite is there. But the younger one really,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's still a lot sweet, like sweet
Speaker 1: most of the time, whereas the old rhymes starting to
Speaker 1: he knows what rolling his eyes means now and that's
Speaker 1: never forget your first time. You're like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is that? All right, let's uh, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and we'll talk about all
Speaker 1: that cocaine that the President of the United States is
Speaker 1: going to be snorting tonight. We'll be right back and
Speaker 1: we're back and all right. So Donald Trump seems worried
Speaker 1: about the debate that he agreed to after like saying
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna do a debate. He yeah, he said
Speaker 1: he was going to do it.
Speaker 2: What happened, I Mean, the whole thing was, these were
Speaker 2: rules you agreed to. It's like they're gonna cut the
Speaker 2: mics off when you're not talking. They're like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: agreed to.
Speaker 1: That yeah, things as you agreed to them.
Speaker 2: They can't I can't bring up I can only have
Speaker 2: a water and paper and pen up there. I can't
Speaker 2: bring my big old books up there and other crap.
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, yeah, you can't have any of that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, It's like, over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 2: we've heard increased speculation from the right about how Joe
Speaker 2: Biden is going to be higher than method Man and
Speaker 2: Red Man on the Blackout album and on Thursday, this
Speaker 2: is gonna happen on Thursday night when they're scheduled to
Speaker 2: debate for the first time since obviously twenty twenty. The excuses, though,
Speaker 2: really began trickling in over the last week, as like,
Speaker 2: you know, Trump surrogates and people going out there doing
Speaker 2: the news shows, and Trump himself began like lamenting again
Speaker 2: the rules he agreed to or how mean Jake Tapper
Speaker 2: has been to him in the past. And Trump has
Speaker 2: good reason, I think, to not be excited about sharing
Speaker 2: the stage because you know, not that poll numbers really matter,
Speaker 2: but every time he debates a Democrat, like in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty twenty, his numbers dip. When people were
Speaker 2: just like that juxtapositions a little odd for some people,
Speaker 2: like this person spoken complete sentences and this guy was
Speaker 2: stalking a woman around the stage. And while again, pulling
Speaker 2: is the whole game. It's just like the last time
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, that first debate with Biden and Trump, it
Speaker 2: just wasn't a good look because Trump came off looking
Speaker 2: like a fucking freak next to Joe Biden, who was
Speaker 2: merely just an old man, like standing on.
Speaker 1: Stage like he did when there were like primary debates
Speaker 1: for the Democratic primary, like in twenty twenty. Biden was
Speaker 1: not like good, No, he's not like a good debater, No, no, yeah, no.
Speaker 9: My question is like who comes to these debates going like,
Speaker 9: you know what, I've I've stayed pretty independent up to
Speaker 9: this point, and I'm just going to see what these
Speaker 9: two gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Have to say.
Speaker 9: Man, Trump guys all about it, and I'm just going
Speaker 9: to base it on the issues. You reacht their websites
Speaker 9: and they seem like they have some they have some differences.
Speaker 2: I'm a Democrat, but I don't know, man, I just didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't really see Trump do his thing like that before.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of into it now.
Speaker 9: I'm kind of I'm kind of interested in now, and
Speaker 9: I think it is like disingenuous, right, Like, I mean,
Speaker 9: do you know people that are like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 9: I just don't know if I can hold my nose
Speaker 9: and vote for Biden. And it's like this, this is
Speaker 9: a conversation where I'm immediately like, Okay, well then I
Speaker 9: just don't. I don't have a lot of patience for it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: It's like it's like turning that thing into like a
Speaker 9: single issue vote where you're you know, I'm like, whatever
Speaker 9: your issue with Biden is, I beg you to show
Speaker 9: me like a version that you find a better version
Speaker 9: of your beliefs than Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so hard because you're like, especially
Speaker 2: with the Biden stuff, so many people are contending with
Speaker 2: the anger of how the two party system just like
Speaker 2: forces you to be like, obviously I don't want Trump
Speaker 2: to be president totally, but Biden is completely unresponsive to
Speaker 2: anything that like matters, and what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: But again, by both parties just trade off being the
Speaker 2: bad guy so then the other one can raise funds
Speaker 2: and then you know, they do the Merrick around. But
Speaker 2: it's clear Trump is still fucking hooked on doing freestyle jazz,
Speaker 2: talking up there, just flowing on some stream of consciousness, consciousness,
Speaker 2: word association shit. And on Saturday in Philadelphia, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you saw that like epic rant he had
Speaker 2: about water and the sinks and shit like that. A
Speaker 2: lot of like he's he's definitely in his water phase
Speaker 2: between like the batteries and the boats and the sharks
Speaker 2: and like dishwashers, which he also period. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: this is water era.
Speaker 1: And that's something that like young children go like age
Speaker 1: like three, you go through your water period where like
Speaker 1: water is the coolest thing in the world, and you
Speaker 1: have like your little water tables and you kept playing.
Speaker 2: With water exactly. He's in his water period at the moment.
Speaker 2: And if you this is a lot of you were
Speaker 2: talking about this, but just to give you a taste,
Speaker 2: like this is how the guy is talking when he's
Speaker 2: just talking. So try and like imagine this on a
Speaker 2: debate stage.
Speaker 4: No water in your faucets, you ever, try buying a
Speaker 4: new home and you turn on to have restrictors in there.
Speaker 4: You want to wash your hair or you want to
Speaker 4: wash your hands, you turn on the water and it
Speaker 4: goes drip drip the soap. You can't get it off
Speaker 4: your hat, so you keep it running for about ten times.
Speaker 1: We'll get you try. The worst is your hair.
Speaker 11: I have this beautiful, luxuriant.
Speaker 1: Hair, luxuriant, and I put stuff on. I put it
Speaker 1: in hair.
Speaker 4: I like lots of lather because I like it to
Speaker 4: come out extremely dry, because it seems to be slightly
Speaker 4: thicker that way.
Speaker 2: What lack anyway, So this is like a lot of
Speaker 2: people like he's rambling, he's talking. He's trying to talk
Speaker 2: about like water restrictors and shower heads, like this is
Speaker 2: the thing he's talked about before. But again he starts
Speaker 2: off trying to make some point about like what about
Speaker 2: our water, and turns into I like my hair real dry,
Speaker 2: take care that. He's just just freestyle man. He's riffs.
Speaker 2: He's the king of rifts.
Speaker 1: And think about how our toilets can't choke down his
Speaker 1: giant shits. It can't be far behind. It's just a prediction.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking soon, we got to
Speaker 2: be talking toilets. Like again, we're in the water phase,
Speaker 2: so yeah, something with something, something aquatic will turn up.
Speaker 2: But prior to that performance of ranting, he had an
Speaker 2: interview with some right wing blogger and said that they're like, uh,
Speaker 2: you got this. The guy was asking, like, you got
Speaker 2: this debate coming up? It's pretty intense, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm getting pretty Just listen. This is what Trump was saying,
Speaker 2: like how he's fucking preparing for the debate.
Speaker 1: Being interviewed by a guy completely bald with a beard.
Speaker 1: Just in case that wasn't that's probably clear. I probably
Speaker 1: don't need to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a right wing blogger, dude looks like.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Joe Biden at Camp David, as you and I
Speaker 12: stand here, your debate is Thursday with him, no audience,
Speaker 12: CNN controls the mics, Dana Bash, Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that matchup?
Speaker 11: Well, it's probably one on three and I've been doing
Speaker 11: this for a long time. Though. We'll handle that. And
Speaker 11: people say, how are you preparing. I'm preparing by taking
Speaker 11: questions from you and others, if you think about it, so,
Speaker 11: but I'm prepared by dealing with you. You tell her
Speaker 11: than all.
Speaker 12: Of them that, Well, it is a real pleasure to
Speaker 12: be here, sir. I know you've got a lot of
Speaker 12: fans waiting, so it's welcome. You to town, sir, and
Speaker 12: thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 11: You've been a great friend. Thank you very much, Chris
Speaker 11: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you much for that.
Speaker 2: Guy has like tears in his eye. Yeah. I always
Speaker 2: love name Gath. Yeah he got his name right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Chris, Yeah, I'm my best friend in this world.
Speaker 2: Now, this is where you know, I think most people
Speaker 2: become very skeptical because if if you go off the
Speaker 2: answer of what he said is debate prep was like,
Speaker 2: it's like talking to people like you. I'm taking questions,
Speaker 2: so in a way, that's preparing, isn't it. And that
Speaker 2: sounds like you're not preparing at all because you're not
Speaker 2: going to go on the debate stage. And if you
Speaker 2: are going on the debate stage, and your version of
Speaker 2: preparing is just like completely whiffing on softballs from sycophants,
Speaker 2: and that's your preparation for the debate of your life.
Speaker 2: I'm again this will be it'll just be straight up
Speaker 2: chaos because he's obviously gonna be getting a ton of
Speaker 2: questions about all his bullshit, like felonies to January sixth,
Speaker 2: asking about Egene Carroll where he may fucking owe her,
Speaker 2: like millions of dollars again by opening his mouth to
Speaker 2: Rico charge his fucking classified documents and talking to a
Speaker 2: guy who would never be like I mean, like you know,
Speaker 2: like did you really why did you have those classified documents?
Speaker 2: That's not gone out. He's not preparing it anyway. This
Speaker 2: is why I think it's going That's why I think
Speaker 2: now we see that there's this like reason that's emerging
Speaker 2: from the right, which is coming from a lot of people,
Speaker 2: including Trump, which is Joe Biden is on fucking crank
Speaker 2: and there's no way he can debate a guy who's
Speaker 2: on fucking speed, even though Trump, Joe.
Speaker 9: Biden is on speed. I mean, this is my prayers
Speaker 9: that Joe Biden does some speed before this debate, because
Speaker 9: I mean, like, as long as we get Joe Biden
Speaker 9: like talking fast and walking quick, I think we win
Speaker 9: this thing.
Speaker 2: And like, hey, have me that computer monitor, Jack and
Speaker 2: a screwdriver. Yeah, see what's going on Porto on I'm
Speaker 2: kind of fucking amped, man. We put Joe Biden, we
Speaker 2: put Joe Biden on some meth, and he will win
Speaker 2: the debate and he'll steal a bunch of copper piping
Speaker 2: out of the I.
Speaker 1: Took the bike apart and I took the spokes out
Speaker 1: of the wheels, but he used to put the spokes back.
Speaker 9: Look, jack anybody can do this. Yeah, it is weird
Speaker 9: to how Trump always stages it like I mean even
Speaker 9: that clip was like a wrestling it like it did
Speaker 9: feel like, well, it's three on one this weekend.
Speaker 1: They were standing in front of a giant American flag,
Speaker 1: like doing the standing interviews.
Speaker 2: Yeah, camera and something, take the mic and go direct
Speaker 2: a camera. But yeah, Ronnie Jackson aka fucking doctor feel Good,
Speaker 2: the old White House doctor who has had everybody pilled
Speaker 2: up in.
Speaker 1: Both administrations by the way, also yeah, the Obama administration. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He submitted a letter as a congressman said quote, I
Speaker 2: demand this is to Joe Biden. I demand that you
Speaker 2: submit to a clinically validated drug test in order to
Speaker 2: reassure the American people that you are mentally fit to
Speaker 2: serve as president and not relying on performance enhancing drugs
Speaker 2: to help you with your debate performance command.
Speaker 1: There is either Queen of England.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And again like you're saying, Zach, like this
Speaker 2: is this is a guy whose time in the and
Speaker 2: the White House was described as quote a wash in speed. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: like everything they said. Apparently this was staffer's popping pills
Speaker 2: and washing them down with alcohol. In large part to
Speaker 2: Jackson's leadership as chief medical Advisor, common poll requests included
Speaker 2: medafinil adderall, fentanyl, morphine, and ketamine, according to a Pentagon
Speaker 2: report release in January, but other unlisted drugs such as
Speaker 2: xanax were equally easy to come by from the White
Speaker 2: House Medical Unit.
Speaker 1: It really takes a step up at a fentodelmorphia. It's like, yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: what for what the the other ones are like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I expect. The what the White House running on?
Speaker 1: Like like fent like those anymore? Right? Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean we always talk about how his instinct is
Speaker 1: always to accuse the other people of doing the thing
Speaker 1: he's doing. And he seems so high when he's up
Speaker 1: on the stage, like just the way he's just rambling
Speaker 1: from one thing to the other and just talking about
Speaker 1: how luxuriant his hair is. Like it feels feels like
Speaker 1: he's on like ecstasy or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just feels like a guy who knows,
Speaker 2: like I gotta get I guess I gotta talk for
Speaker 2: an hour straight. So what I'm just gonna talk about
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, he doesn't have to, but he has
Speaker 1: to exactly the only thing that fills the the sucking void.
Speaker 2: A good campaign ad for Joe Biden should just be
Speaker 2: taking Trump transcripts and having someone read back transcripts of
Speaker 2: Trump to potential voters and being like, so, just a
Speaker 2: quick thing when you hear Trump say, you know, because
Speaker 2: if there's a star in the crowd, you know, their
Speaker 2: cameras on my head, the back of the whole time, cameras.
Speaker 2: They're the best. Think about the seats, this is a
Speaker 2: beautiful crowd, and how we're going to get the water,
Speaker 2: and then just be like, so what do you think
Speaker 2: about that? What do you mean? Just and just get
Speaker 2: the reaction. That should be the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think it's I think it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Manh huh. And what was he saying?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I fucking love cameras. Man, They're
Speaker 1: like magic. Just don't get them wet or near a magnet,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sharkle by that camera.
Speaker 1: I do think though, like this is this happens every
Speaker 1: debate where especially the Republicans. This seems to be like
Speaker 1: a piece of accepted wisdom among Republicans, So you really
Speaker 1: need to aggressively attack expectations and that that does tend
Speaker 1: to work. Like That's why I'm just like, is the
Speaker 1: mainstream media just like falling for the same bullshit every
Speaker 1: like that they fall for every time, where like Trump's like,
Speaker 1: Biden's one of the great debaters of our time, and
Speaker 1: he he killed Like at the time, I guess he said,
Speaker 1: like remember when Biden debated Paul Ryan, and everyone was like,
Speaker 1: Biden's gonna get fucking killed, and then Biden like did fine,
Speaker 1: held his own against Paul Ryan, which in retrospect not
Speaker 1: that impressive. Paul Ryan's a fucking dipshit, but that like
Speaker 1: he did better than expectations. So now Trump's like, this
Speaker 1: guy's one of the great debaters of all time and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be so he's gonna be flying on peds
Speaker 1: up there and then he's gonna show up and like
Speaker 1: have the expectations set where he wants them. So I'm
Speaker 1: a little I'm a little like, I don't know, he'll
Speaker 1: probably show up, like it would be such a bad
Speaker 1: look for him, not to show up like I don't
Speaker 1: know he's giving you know, like because this is an
Speaker 1: of these but he's gonna be on drugs.
Speaker 2: I couldn't debate somebody and then he can just be
Speaker 2: like I'm not talking to that speed freak.
Speaker 1: Yeah he won't.
Speaker 2: He won't take a drug test, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: play like you know, it would.
Speaker 1: Be a real bad look. It was like, I hope
Speaker 1: he doesn't show up because that seems like a terrible look.
Speaker 2: Is there even? Like because even in this version, right,
Speaker 2: even if he shows up and completely ships the bed
Speaker 2: figuratively or literally, yeah, no one's gonna gonna whatever, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be like whatever, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: no one's It's so it's hard to know because he's
Speaker 2: tryab to be like I'm not losing anybody, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, So like what do I have to
Speaker 2: lose if I don't even go up there? But again,
Speaker 2: I know he wants to start wind milling about the
Speaker 2: fucking like like immigrants or killing people angle, and that's
Speaker 2: gonna be a moment for him to sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: try and press Biden on something like that. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. At the end of the day based on
Speaker 2: like how I don't know, just he just seems very
Speaker 2: like he's just not into it. But look, we don't
Speaker 2: fucking know.
Speaker 13: But I feel like maybe the debate polls are it
Speaker 13: might be like like a thing with like the pepsi
Speaker 13: taste tests, where you know, pepsi would win taste tests
Speaker 13: when it was like a little sip of pepsi versus
Speaker 13: a little sip of coke, but like you can't drink
Speaker 13: a whole glass of pepsi without your teeth falling out feeling.
Speaker 1: Like they're vibrating. Like I just feel like you're testing
Speaker 1: for different things. And like the he always successfully like
Speaker 1: makes it horribly ugly in any debate he's in, Like
Speaker 1: I'd never leave the debate being like, well he just
Speaker 1: got his ass kicked, you know, it's always so I
Speaker 1: just feel like some of this is like people like
Speaker 1: wishful thinking that he's not going to show up, that
Speaker 1: he's going to show up and just like suck. I
Speaker 1: don't like, I feel like it could go the other
Speaker 1: direction pretty easily. Not that that like this is just
Speaker 1: also me, like this is the same comportment I take
Speaker 1: into my sports fandom, where I'm like we suck, We're
Speaker 1: gonna lose forty points. But it does feel like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it could go badly for Biden. Oh, given
Speaker 1: what we've seen of him speaking temporaneous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no mistake, they're both. No, I don't know who
Speaker 2: a favorite is going into this, because just as easily
Speaker 2: Trump can just suck all the fucking air out of
Speaker 2: the room and just keep these like these same things.
Speaker 2: And then Biden's probably like I need a nap. Who knows,
Speaker 2: like what the fuck's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But anything asks for an actual nap.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Okay, he's like time out, man, time out?
Speaker 1: Can we get like it?
Speaker 2: I need a nap and a caramel?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe Biden, maybe Biden. Maybe the
Speaker 9: best plan for Biden is uh yeah, let let Trump
Speaker 9: talk more and and and also get on some performance
Speaker 9: enhancing drugs that make him like super ripped. I mean, like,
Speaker 9: can we get him on HGH at this point or
Speaker 9: something so that yeah, looks like the best self?
Speaker 2: How quickly can he look like a light heavyweight MMA
Speaker 2: fighter physically?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I'm sure I'm sure Joe Rogan's got some tips,
Speaker 2: So like, let's let's get let's get him just shredded
Speaker 2: for this one.
Speaker 1: Get his organs to grow, and that would actually be
Speaker 1: the one thing that Trump would respond to because as we.
Speaker 2: Know, like he's terrified. Oh my god, guy.
Speaker 1: Came out there with arms like Christmas hams.
Speaker 2: He's wearing a smaller suit jacket, isn't he They're bulging
Speaker 2: out of the sleeves. No, no, no, no, no, no not.
Speaker 2: He looks like right out of Central Casting. Trump love
Speaker 2: Central Casting. He does you get a super strong president.
Speaker 2: Trump's gonna like it.
Speaker 1: And these guys they have big muscles, maybe not so
Speaker 1: much down here and here, but being up.
Speaker 2: Here up here, Yeah, huge brains.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: come back. We'll talk a little pop culture. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back. We're back, We're back. And
Speaker 1: on your show, you've done some good stuff on just
Speaker 1: the surveillance side of AI, which I mean that turns
Speaker 1: out a lot of the technology that we initially thought
Speaker 1: was promising was just eventually used for the purposes of
Speaker 1: marketing and surveillance in the end, And it seems like
Speaker 1: AI skipped all the promising stuff. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: what if we just went right to the right, the
Speaker 1: harming harming people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I will, I will say that kind of. I
Speaker 6: mean you had mentioned that this term AI is kind
Speaker 6: of being used, Lucy Goosey, and you know, I mean
Speaker 6: we we AI is kind of synonymous with large language
Speaker 6: models and image generators. But you know, things that have
Speaker 6: been called AI also encompass things like biometrics, surveillance, like
Speaker 6: like different different systems which use this technology called quoteunquote
Speaker 6: machine learning and which is kind of this large scale
Speaker 6: patterned recognition.
Speaker 2: So a lot of.
Speaker 6: It's being used, especially at the border, so doing things
Speaker 6: like trying to detect verify identities by voices or by faces.
Speaker 6: You probably see this if you've been in the airport.
Speaker 6: The TSA has been using this and you can still
Speaker 6: voluntarily opt out for now, but they're really incentivizing it.
Speaker 6: I saw that TSA has this touchless thing now, which
Speaker 6: is this facial recognition, so you don't have to present
Speaker 6: your ID, you can just scan your face and go and.
Speaker 7: Like don't do that, like take every option to opt out,
Speaker 7: and that the fact that those signs are there saying
Speaker 7: that this is optional, was it, Penny somebody actually Petty? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 7: The only reason we had that science is because of
Speaker 7: her activism saying like this has to be clear to
Speaker 7: the travelers. That's actually optional and you can opt out,
Speaker 7: so it's posted there that you.
Speaker 8: Don't have to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, then I'm gonna feel you up. Sorry,
Speaker 1: those are just the rules.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just it's absolutely but I mean it gets,
Speaker 6: it gets, you know, leveraged against people who fly to
Speaker 6: a lesser degree. But I mean folks who are refugees
Speaker 6: orsile's you know, I mean people on the move really
Speaker 6: encounter to stuff incredibly violent ways. You know, they do
Speaker 6: things like try to they take their blood and say that,
Speaker 6: well we can we can associate your we're gonna you know,
Speaker 6: sequence your genome and safe you're actually from the country
Speaker 6: you say you're from, which is first, it's pseudoscience. I
Speaker 6: mean basically all biologists have been like, you can't use
Speaker 6: this and determine if someone is X, y Z, like nationality,
Speaker 6: because nationalities are one political entities, they're not biological ones,
Speaker 6: and so like we can sort of pinpoint you to
Speaker 6: a region, but it says nothing to say of anything
Speaker 6: about the political borders of a country. There's a great
Speaker 6: book I started reading by Petro Molner, which is called
Speaker 6: The Walls Have Eyes, which is about this kind of
Speaker 6: intense surveillance state or intense surveillance architecture. You know, it's
Speaker 6: being used in you know, typically in the border, the
Speaker 6: US Mexico border, but also the you know, the various
Speaker 6: points of entry in Europe where African migrants are fleeing to,
Speaker 6: you know, fleeing you know, places like Sudan and Congo
Speaker 6: and the Tagrai region of Ethiopia. So just like and
Speaker 6: this is just some of the most violent kind of
Speaker 6: stuff he in it you can imagine, and it's way
Speaker 6: far away from you know, this kind of Oh, here's
Speaker 6: like a fake little child, you know, or a Jesus
Speaker 6: holding twelve thousand babies writing in America truck with the
Speaker 6: American flag on it, you know, I mean, right, So
Speaker 6: the reality is much more stark.
Speaker 7: And you see that you see that one too many
Speaker 7: image matching, so you get all these false arrests. So
Speaker 7: people because the AI said that they matched the image
Speaker 7: from the grain surveillance video. And it's one of these
Speaker 7: things where it's bad if it works, because you have
Speaker 7: this like increased surveillance power of the state and it's
Speaker 7: bad if it doesn't work, because you get all these
Speaker 7: false arrests, like it's it's just a bad idea, it's
Speaker 7: just a don't and it's not just image stuff. So
Speaker 7: we read a while back about a situation in Germany,
Speaker 7: I think, where asylum seekers were being vetted as to
Speaker 7: whether or not they spoke the right language using you know,
Speaker 7: so one of the things you can do with pattern
Speaker 7: matching is okay, language identification, that this string what languages
Speaker 7: that come from. But it was being done based on
Speaker 7: completely inadequate data sets by people who don't speak to languages,
Speaker 7: who are not in a position to actually vet the
Speaker 7: output of the machine. And so you have these folks
Speaker 7: who are in the worst imaginable situation, like you don't
Speaker 7: go seeking asylum on a lark, right the other people.
Speaker 2: I broke at home?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, And then they're getting denied because some algorithms said, oh,
Speaker 7: you don't speak the language from the place you claim
Speaker 7: to be coming from where the person your accent is
Speaker 7: wrong or your variety is wrong or whatever. And the
Speaker 7: person who's who's run this computer system has no way
Speaker 7: of actually checking its output, but they believe it, and
Speaker 7: then they get these asylum seekers turned away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how does that you know? With everything you said,
Speaker 2: how should we feel that Open AI recently welcome to
Speaker 2: their board? The eighteenth director of the NSA, Paul nakasone,
Speaker 2: is that bad? Or what should we take from that one?
Speaker 8: How should we feel not at all surprised?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: How should we feel when open AI? It's like, okay,
Speaker 7: bad is whatever the rest of that is is bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: It seems bad, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It seems like there's again we're talking like this technology
Speaker 2: to mass surveillance pipeline, and who better than someone who
Speaker 2: ran the fucking nssay, Like, and I know the way
Speaker 2: it's being spun. It's like, you know, this is a
Speaker 2: part of cyber command, like he inherently knows like how
Speaker 2: what the what the guardbrails need to be in terms
Speaker 2: of keeping us safe. But to me, it's just feel like, no,
Speaker 2: you brought in a surveillance pro, not someone who understands
Speaker 2: inherently like what this specific technology is, but more someone
Speaker 2: who's like learns how to harness technology for this other
Speaker 2: specific aid.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so surveillance is not synonymous with safety like the
Speaker 7: one the one kind of one use case for the
Speaker 7: word surveillance that I think actually was pro public safety
Speaker 7: is there's a study, the long term study in Seattle
Speaker 7: called the Seattle Flu Study, and they are doing what
Speaker 7: they call surveillance testing for flu viruses. So they get
Speaker 7: volunteers to come in and get swabbed, and they are
Speaker 7: keeping track of what viruses are circulating in our community. Right,
Speaker 7: I'm all for surveilling the viruses, especially if you can
Speaker 7: keep the people out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would.
Speaker 6: I would add a cult to that just because I
Speaker 6: think that I mean there's a lot of surveillance. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's the kind of technology, that's the kind of terminology
Speaker 6: they use of health surveillance to detect kind of virus
Speaker 6: rates and whatnot. I would also add the wrinkle that
Speaker 6: like a lot of those you know, organizations are really
Speaker 6: trusted by distrusted by marginalized people, Like what are you.
Speaker 2: Going to do?
Speaker 6: What to be you know, like especially thinking like you know,
Speaker 6: like lots of lots of transphoks and like especially like
Speaker 6: under housed or unhoused transfers, and just like you're going
Speaker 6: to do what you want this data fond me for
Speaker 6: who you know?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: So, yeah, understanding especially because because surveillance in general, like
Speaker 7: is not a safety thing, right, It's not. It is
Speaker 7: maybe a like safety for people within the walls of
Speaker 7: the walled garden thing, but that's not safety, right. That's
Speaker 7: the other thing about this is that what we call
Speaker 7: AI these days is predicated on enormous data collection, right,
Speaker 7: And so to one eccent, it's the sort of an
Speaker 7: excuse to go about claiming access to all that data.
Speaker 7: And once you have access all that data, you can
Speaker 7: do things with it that have nothing to do with
Speaker 7: the large language models. And so there's you know, this
Speaker 7: is I think less typically less immediately like threatening to
Speaker 7: life and limb than the applications that Alex was starting with.
Speaker 7: But there's a lot of stuff where it's like, actually,
Speaker 7: we would be better off without all that information about
Speaker 7: us being out there. And there's an example that came
Speaker 7: out recently. So did you see this thing about the
Speaker 7: system called recall that came out with Windows eleven? So
Speaker 7: this thing, oh god, this is such a mess. So
Speaker 7: initially it was going to be by default turned on.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, this is kind of like the Adobe
Speaker 2: story too. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, every five seconds, it takes a picture of your
Speaker 7: screen and then you can use that to like using
Speaker 7: AI search for stuff that you've sort of and their
Speaker 7: example is something stupid. It's like, yeah, I saw a recipe,
Speaker 7: but I don't remember where I saw it, so you
Speaker 7: want to be able to search back through your activity
Speaker 7: and like zero thought to what this means for people
Speaker 7: who are victims of intimate partner violence, right that they
Speaker 7: have this surveillance going on in their computer that eventually
Speaker 7: it ended up being shipped as off by default because
Speaker 7: the cybersecurity folks pushed back really hard.
Speaker 8: And by folks, I don't mean the people at Microsoft.
Speaker 7: I mean the people out in the world or saw
Speaker 7: this coming. Yeah, but that's another example of like surveillance
Speaker 7: in the name of AI that's supposed to be the
Speaker 7: sort of, you know, helpful little thing for you, but
Speaker 7: like no thought to what that means for people. And
Speaker 7: it's like, yeah, we're just going to turn this on
Speaker 7: by default because everybody wants this obviously, right.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I know how to look through my history.
Speaker 2: Actually I've developed that skill. Yeah, I don't need you
Speaker 2: to take snapshots of my desktop every three yeads.
Speaker 1: But your show has covered so many kind of upsetting
Speaker 1: ways that it doesn't seem like it's people implementing AI.
Speaker 1: It's companies implementing AI in a lot of cases to
Speaker 1: do jobs that it's not capable of doing. There there's
Speaker 1: been incorrect obituaries. Grock, the Elon musk Won the Twitter
Speaker 1: one made up fake headlines about Iran attacking Israel and
Speaker 1: like public like put them out as like a made
Speaker 1: your trending story. You have this great anecdote about a
Speaker 1: Facebook chatbot AI like responding to someone had this like
Speaker 1: very specific question they have like a gifted disabled child.
Speaker 1: They were like, he, does anybody have experience with a
Speaker 1: gifted disabled like two E child with like this specific
Speaker 1: New York public school program. And the chatbot responds, yes,
Speaker 1: I have experience with that, and just like made up
Speaker 1: because they knew that's what that's what they wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: And fortunately it was like clearly labeled as an AI chatbot.
Speaker 1: So the person was like, what what the black mirror? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but World Health Organization, you know, eating disorder institutions replacing
Speaker 1: therapists with AI, Like you just have all these examples
Speaker 1: of this going being used where it shouldn't be and
Speaker 1: things going badly, and like that. There's a detail that
Speaker 1: I think we talked about last time about dual lingo,
Speaker 1: where the model where they let AI take over some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that like human teachers and translators were
Speaker 1: doing before. And you made the point that people who
Speaker 1: are learning the language, who are beginners, are not in
Speaker 1: a position to notice that the quality has dropped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what we're seeing basically everywhere
Speaker 1: now is just the Internet is so big, they're just
Speaker 1: using it so many different places that it's hard to
Speaker 1: catch them all, and then there's not an appetite to
Speaker 1: report on all the ways it's fucking up, and so
Speaker 1: it just everything is kind of getting slightly too drastically
Speaker 1: shittier at once. Yeah, and I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with that.
Speaker 6: I would say, yeah, well go ahead, Emily.
Speaker 8: What you do with that do is you make fun
Speaker 8: of it.
Speaker 7: That's one of our things is ridiculous process to like,
Speaker 7: you know, try to try to keep the mood up,
Speaker 7: but also just show it for.
Speaker 8: How ridiculous it is.
Speaker 7: And then the other thing is to really seek out
Speaker 7: the good journalism on this topic, because so much of
Speaker 7: it is either fake journalism output by a large language
Speaker 7: model these days, or journalists who are basically practicing access journalism,
Speaker 7: who are doing the g's thing, who who are reproducing
Speaker 7: press releases, and so finding the people who are doing
Speaker 7: really good critical work and like supporting them, I think
Speaker 7: is super important.
Speaker 6: You we're going to say, well, I was, well, though,
Speaker 6: you just teed me up really well, because I was
Speaker 6: actually going to say, you know, some of the people
Speaker 6: who are doing some of the best work on it
Speaker 6: are like four or four Media, and you know, I
Speaker 6: want to give a shout out to them because they're
Speaker 6: you know, these folks are basically you know, they were
Speaker 6: at Motherboard and Motherboard, you know, or the whole Vice
Speaker 6: Empire was basically you know, Sunset, and so they laid
Speaker 6: off a bunch of people. So they started this kind
Speaker 6: of journalist owned and operated place, and you know that
Speaker 6: focuses specifically on tech and AI and these folks have
Speaker 6: been kind of in the game for so long they
Speaker 6: know how to talk about this stuff without really having
Speaker 6: this kind of being bowled over. You know, there's people
Speaker 6: who play that access journalism, like like Kara Swisher who
Speaker 6: like kind of poses herself as this person who was
Speaker 6: very antagonistic, but like, you know, right.
Speaker 2: Just like fawning over like AI people and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like all the time, Well I trusted Elon Musk
Speaker 6: and tell I was like, well, why did you trust
Speaker 6: this man in the first place? Like did you know
Speaker 6: I was reading the Peter Thiel biography The Contrarian and
Speaker 6: you know, and like it. It's a very it's a
Speaker 6: very harrowing read. I mean it was fascinating, but it
Speaker 6: was very harrowing. It wasn't an it was pretty like critical.
Speaker 6: But like, you know, they discuss the PayPal days, you know,
Speaker 6: twenty four years ago, when you know, Elon Musk was like, well,
Speaker 6: I want to name PayPal to X and then and
Speaker 6: then everybody was like, why the fuck would you do that?
Speaker 6: People are already using people are using PayPal as a verb.
Speaker 6: You know, that's effectively the same thing he did with Twitter,
Speaker 6: Like people are talking about tweet as a verb. Why
Speaker 6: would you say, you know, just it's been like an
Speaker 6: absolutely vapid human being with no business sense. Anyways, journal
Speaker 6: that was a very long way of saying Kara Switcher
Speaker 6: sucks and then also saying that all was saying also
Speaker 6: saying that there's lots of folks, there's a number of
Speaker 6: folks doing great stuff. So I mean folks at four
Speaker 6: or for Karen Howe who's independent, that had been at
Speaker 6: The Atlantic and I T Tech Review and the Wall
Speaker 6: Street Journal. Curry Johnson, who was at Wired is now
Speaker 6: at cal Matters. There's a lot of people that really
Speaker 6: report on AI from the perspective of like the people
Speaker 6: who it's harming, rather than starting from well, this tool
Speaker 6: can do X, Y and Z, right, you know, we
Speaker 6: really should take these groups out there claims. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean the larger part of it is, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's just so much stuff out there, you know, and
Speaker 6: it's it's so hard, and it is like whack them all.
Speaker 6: And I mean we're we're not journalists by training. I mean,
Speaker 6: we're sort of doing a journalistic thing right now. We're
Speaker 6: I think we're I would not say we are journalists.
Speaker 6: I always say we are doing a journalistic thing.
Speaker 1: We're doing journalism.
Speaker 6: We are not doing original reporting. But it is well,
Speaker 6: and you know, I would you know, I'm not I
Speaker 6: don't know, I'm not the I don't I don't know
Speaker 6: who decides this is the court of journalism. But you know,
Speaker 6: reporting in so far as looking at original papers and
Speaker 6: effectively being like okay, This is marketing.
Speaker 1: This is why it's marketing. They're there, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Rather than you know, a wisbang c net article or
Speaker 6: or something that comes out of a content mill and
Speaker 6: says Google just published this tool that says you can
Speaker 6: you know, find eighteen million materials that are you know, complete,
Speaker 6: almost like okay, well let's look at those claims and
Speaker 6: upon what grounds those claims stand and and you know
Speaker 6: how that's that's a pretty pretty I.
Speaker 7: Think what we're doing is is first of all, sharing
Speaker 7: our expertise in our specific fields, but also like modeling
Speaker 7: for people how to be critical consumers of journalism, so
Speaker 7: journalism adjacent but yeah, definitely without training and journalism totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think we want to do we want
Speaker 1: to do the M and M articles. I mean, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's this article that has like done our
Speaker 1: brains because it just has this series of sentences.
Speaker 2: That I don't know that because everything is degrading like journalism.
Speaker 2: You know, there's that story about like the Daily Mail
Speaker 2: was like Natalie Portman was hooked on cocaine when she
Speaker 2: was at Harvard. You're like, no, that was from that
Speaker 2: rap she did on SNL And it was like a
Speaker 2: bit but because this thing is street and then the
Speaker 2: Daily Mail had to be like at the end they
Speaker 2: corrected it. They're like, just she was not that was
Speaker 2: obviously satirical and that was due to human error, Like
Speaker 2: they really leaned into that, liken Ya. Of course, did
Speaker 2: I say by.
Speaker 7: The time that a fabricated quote of mine came out
Speaker 7: of one of these things and was printed as news.
Speaker 1: No? No.
Speaker 7: So I also, like alex so searched my own name
Speaker 7: because I talked to journalists or not that I like
Speaker 7: to see what's happening. And there was something in an
Speaker 7: outfit called Bihar Praba that attributed this quote to me,
Speaker 7: which was not something I'd ever said and not anybody
Speaker 7: I ever remember talking to. So I emailed the editor
Speaker 7: and I said, please take down this fabricated quote in
Speaker 7: print of retraction because I never said that, and they
Speaker 7: did so the article got updated, removed the thing attributed
Speaker 7: to me, and then there was a thing at the
Speaker 7: bottom saying we've attracted this. But what they didn't put publicly,
Speaker 7: but he told me over email is that the whole
Speaker 7: thing came out of Gemini.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and.
Speaker 8: They posted it as a news article.
Speaker 7: And you know, the only reason I discovered it was
Speaker 7: it was my own name, and like, I never said
Speaker 7: that thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I need your expertise here to decipher this food
Speaker 2: and wine article that was talking about how Eminem's was
Speaker 2: coming out with a pumpkin pie flavored eminem but very early.
Speaker 2: Normally pumpkin pie flavored things don't enter the market till
Speaker 2: around August, like around the fall comes. But eminem is.
Speaker 1: Why we were covering it, because we are journalists.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're like in May pumpkin spice already. No, but
Speaker 2: again they were saying, this is because apparently gen Z
Speaker 2: and millennial consumers are celebrating Halloween earlier. But this is
Speaker 2: this one section that completely wait wait, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know that's what they're saying. According to their analysis that Okay,
Speaker 2: we were that we apparent, So let me read this
Speaker 2: for you. Quote. The pre seasonal launch of the milk
Speaker 2: chocolate pumpkin pie Eminem's is a strategic move that taps
Speaker 2: into Mars' market research. This research indicates that gen Z
Speaker 2: and millennials plan to celebrate Halloween by dress, sing up,
Speaker 2: and planning for the holiday about six point eight weeks beforehand,
Speaker 2: well six point eight weeks from Memorial Day is the
Speaker 2: fourth of July, so you still have plenty of time
Speaker 2: to latch onto a pop culture trend and turn it
Speaker 2: into a creative costume.
Speaker 1: I don't that's it's right, It doesn't. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. I know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm fixating on six point eight.
Speaker 2: What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Fuck? Does that mean? And where did Memorial Day come from?
Speaker 5: And that?
Speaker 1: And what is six point eight weeks for Memorial Day?
Speaker 1: Because it's not any of the days that they said
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 8: They said July fourth, And also.
Speaker 2: Six point eight eight weeks isn't a real amount of time.
Speaker 2: That's forty seven point point six days? Yeah, what is
Speaker 2: what is even a six point eight week?
Speaker 7: So if this were real, it's possible that they surveyed
Speaker 7: a bunch of people and they said when do you
Speaker 7: start planning your Halloween costume? And those people gave dates
Speaker 7: and then they averaged that, and that's how you could.
Speaker 1: Get to get that.
Speaker 2: I get that that's fair, but also.
Speaker 7: It totally sounds like someone put into a large language
Speaker 7: model write an article about why millennials and gen z
Speaker 7: are planning their Halloween costumes earlier.
Speaker 8: Like it sounds like that.
Speaker 2: But also just so odd to say, well, six point
Speaker 2: eight weeks from Memorial Day is the fourth of July.
Speaker 2: This article didn't even come out like it came out
Speaker 2: after Memorial Day and yeah, fourth, It's just nothing made sense.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't fucking understand what they're
Speaker 2: doing to me right now. But again that's this is
Speaker 2: like the insidious part for me.
Speaker 8: But this appeared in Food and Wine.
Speaker 2: This is in Food and Wine magazine with a human
Speaker 2: like in the byline. And I actually DM this person
Speaker 2: on Instagram and I said, do you mind just clarifying
Speaker 2: this part? Like I'm a little bit confused, and I've
Speaker 2: I've gotten no response.
Speaker 6: I've got no I'm wondering if it's because I know that.
Speaker 6: I mean, there was some good coverage and futurism and
Speaker 6: they were talking about this company called ad Von Commerce
Speaker 6: and the way that basically this this this company has
Speaker 6: been basically making AI generated articles for a lot of
Speaker 6: different publications, usually on products like product placement. Right, And
Speaker 6: so it makes me think it's sort of like this
Speaker 6: Food and Wine, you know, may have been one of
Speaker 6: their for I forgot the article, but they had a
Speaker 6: bun they had like, you know, better homes and gardening
Speaker 6: and you know, kind of these legacy articles like that.
Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's something of that or
Speaker 6: this journalist kind of said, write me this thing, and
Speaker 6: I'm just going to drop it and then go with God,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My My other favorite example of is this headline I
Speaker 1: saw somewhere it's no big secret why Van Vaught isn't
Speaker 1: around anymore and with a picture of Vince Vaughan but
Speaker 1: they just like got his name completely wrong. It's no
Speaker 1: secret why Van he isn't around anymore.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, if I was just scrolling and
Speaker 6: I just and I'd say like, yeah, it was like,
Speaker 6: you know, I liked Van Vaught and the Intern and
Speaker 6: then yeah, but then I but and then I would
Speaker 6: have looked at it, and then I would have double taped.
Speaker 6: I'm like, wait, wait, wait did he co star with
Speaker 6: oh when Mick Wilson or something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exact Russell Wilson was in that.
Speaker 7: I think it was the ad Week reporting that you're
Speaker 7: thinking of alex Futurism did a bunch of it, but
Speaker 7: then Adweek had the whole thing about Advon and I
Speaker 7: can't quite.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it was it was future. It was futurism, yeah,
Speaker 6: because because Adweek had the thing on this program that
Speaker 6: Google was offering and it didn't have a name.
Speaker 8: Oh right, yeah was futurism. Yeah, but it totally sounds.
Speaker 1: Like what it is happening. Yeah, yeah, right, I.
Speaker 7: Thought you were going to talk about the surveillance by
Speaker 7: Eminem thing. You said, Eminem's So this was somewhere in Canada.
Speaker 7: There was an Eminem vending machine that was like taking
Speaker 7: pictures of the students while they were making their purchases.
Speaker 7: And I forget what the like a sensible purpose was,
Speaker 7: but the students found out and I got it removed.
Speaker 1: Wow, probably freaked out and made a big deal about it.
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