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Speaker 1: All right, well, lickut, who's here? Our fan Joy Taylor's here,

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Speaker 1: Joey Taylor talks.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: So good to see you again. It's good to see

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad. Listen, I'm glad you're here.

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Speaker 1: I actually it was always like, I need you to

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Speaker 1: come see me more often, or like zoom in or something.

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Speaker 3: Literally anytime you need me.

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Speaker 4: Have you done lip service yet?

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Speaker 5: Because I feel like this she would be right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it would be great for lip service too personal.

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Speaker 4: No, but she has listen.

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Speaker 3: That's the Poga listen. Listen.

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Speaker 5: So there was a clip that went viral of you

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Speaker 5: talking about you prefer dating younger guys.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Paul's podcast got me in all this mess.

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Speaker 4: I said.

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Speaker 2: They asked me what my dating range was, and I

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Speaker 2: said twenty five to I think, like seventy, and they

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Speaker 2: were upset. Well, so he was like, basically, you have range,

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Speaker 2: but I can't. I wouldn't don't. I could not date

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Speaker 2: someone younger than twenty five. That's the limit. That's but

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Speaker 2: I also am not dating twenty five year old. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just putting it reasonable. But and then they

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Speaker 2: were like seventies to old Listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 3: We are aging.

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Speaker 4: Well that's a fact.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, because you know, our good

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Speaker 2: brother is married, so this is not the same. But

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Speaker 2: if he wasn't Denzel is sixty eight years old, right, right,

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Speaker 2: So what are you all talking about?

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Speaker 3: Please? Ye all of you are lying. Everyone's lying.

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Speaker 4: What is the oldest you've dated.

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Speaker 2: I've dated someone twenty years older than me twice. I

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Speaker 2: was much much younger. But you know, the thing about

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Speaker 2: older men to me is I really like to talk

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Speaker 2: like that is mine. That is like I joy tails talks,

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Speaker 2: like I like to have conversations with people. It's how

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Speaker 2: I connect with people. And if you still have a

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Speaker 2: lot to say, like I can't be always be the

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Speaker 2: most interesting one, Like you need somebody that has some

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Speaker 2: death to them, somebody that can like let's talk about

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Speaker 2: that experience. And so to me, I just feel like

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Speaker 2: older men. Plus I'm just I love.

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Speaker 3: A I love a man.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have to pushes here a

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Speaker 1: little chunk? You know? She likes she likes medium ugly guys.

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Speaker 1: She always says ugly.

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Speaker 3: It's such a harsh word. It is.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I's to stop using it, but just like not

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Speaker 4: not because every.

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Speaker 1: Guy that she did, it's like so and we would

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Speaker 1: be so offended. But guy said, I like a little punch.

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Speaker 2: I like, I think a lot of Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: it's different for women because we're supposed to be soft,

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Speaker 2: you know, are we?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I like a lot of men like

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Speaker 2: Do you find that a lot of things?

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Speaker 1: Like, because the problem I have right now is that,

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Speaker 1: like we do all these interviews and certain things get

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Speaker 1: clipped up and go viral. I was watching something it

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Speaker 1: about like how women need to be compensated.

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Speaker 2: Yea, and it looked like it who was it?

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Speaker 5: Was?

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Speaker 2: It Draymond about it?

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Speaker 1: And but the way they edited it made it seem

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Speaker 1: It's just like a little clip that made it seem

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Speaker 1: you know, the NBA should be And people were furious.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like y'all didn't even watch the full conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we all react to the clips that

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Speaker 2: But this is this is the world we live in,

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Speaker 2: and people think that they're getting like it's not my

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Speaker 2: job to sit here and give you my opinion and

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Speaker 3: Along she is?

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Speaker 2: That like that's that's your job to do that, because

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Speaker 3: So it is.

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Speaker 2: It's I won't say it's like hard, but that is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's important that people, if you feel a

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Speaker 2: in a conversation about something that you've seen on the internet,

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Speaker 2: take it a little Yeah, type it in Google, go

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Speaker 3: But that's my suggestion.

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna do that. I wish they would do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I was the reason I was saying that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, cause, you know, I watch sports and

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Speaker 2: But I don't think you should be intimidated about sports.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of women, uh, well, always

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we can cuss on here.

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Speaker 2: They don't know what they're talking about and will be

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Speaker 4: It makes you believe them though it is the delivery.

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Speaker 3: Yes, no, it really is is.

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Speaker 2: Because I'll be like, I love that you feel dispassionate

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Speaker 4: It's a fact you're you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I also feel like the people that get the

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Speaker 1: Like it'll be like people be like.

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Speaker 4: I can stand you either really hate them or you

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Speaker 2: a bit interesting, Like it's different than talking about culture,

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Speaker 3: Like, have you ever been around someone with a big family?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have a big families

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Speaker 2: and everyone's yelling and they're.

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Speaker 3: Like why are you yelling?

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Speaker 2: Like no, this is how we talk to each other,

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of how sports is. I always say

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Speaker 2: like that's just how we talk. But it's how we

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Speaker 5: but on topic, is there any in terms of red

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Speaker 2: You know what I am dealing with currently, and I'm

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Speaker 2: How to have conversations about your past and be open

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Speaker 1: and outn't told you all this stuff. And I think

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Speaker 2: Too write And yet transparency, I think is something that

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Speaker 2: I love to just I just want it all out

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Speaker 2: and I'm not ashamed of things. Yeah, it's not about shame.

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Speaker 2: when you're in a certain business, we people know each

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Speaker 2: when you see them like so, I feel like transparency

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Speaker 2: happened here? And you know, we all have these stories

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Speaker 1: Right know, you know truthfully somebody, if somebody was dating you,

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Speaker 1: that's like bragging points too, so fact the other issue

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Speaker 1: is yeah, no kidding, but this is to a Taylor,

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Speaker 1: it's different. But you know, but I will say, but

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Speaker 1: I will say it's like, so sometimes that's hard too,

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Speaker 1: because they may be acting amazing to you, but then

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Speaker 1: in their group chat it's like and that's why you

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Speaker 2: There's just so much pressure in new situations to move

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Speaker 2: and then like do you need leverage against this person?

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Speaker 2: And it's like it's just icky, and I wish we

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Speaker 2: didn't have to be that way, but yeah, transparency to

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Speaker 2: me is something where I'm trying to find like what's

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Speaker 2: the balance, Like is this too much?

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Speaker 3: Is this not enough?

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Speaker 2: It's something that I deeply want. But but the right.

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Speaker 4: Person and.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, even if you're not a public figure, deals with

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Speaker 2: trusting people and exchanging your life with somebody, So there's

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Speaker 4: But I know how to talk. Yes, yeah, they know

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like you've been through so much

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Speaker 2: But I don't like you know I I don't know

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Speaker 3: To do things for me.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to prove anything to anybody. The people

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Speaker 2: So it's it's inconsequential to me what someone thinks about me.

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Speaker 2: I cannot convince you of anything. I get to that

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Speaker 3: Feel that way about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make it look too easy, though.

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Speaker 5: Like you don't make it look care for you, but

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Speaker 2: To do and things I want to accomplish, and whales

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Speaker 2: to pay, and that like nothing, nothing that is meant

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Speaker 2: What's meant for me is meant for me. You can

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Speaker 2: like and I think we all just this year has

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Speaker 3: Up, break alone, unprecedented news.

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Speaker 2: Please, So you know, I think self care in a

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Speaker 2: real way is very important. But yeah, lastly, do you

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: Like Halliburton is gonna have such a summer. He is

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Speaker 2: the old guard og, the old guard. The ogs are

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Speaker 5: You got to leave really quick. Question what's the most

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Speaker 3: A couple of thousand?

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Speaker 1: you know. But like this is what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 2: I love New York red but thank you

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