WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: New Draft Need Emerges 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.160 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.959 a Break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.840 for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:21.799 time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:28.560 Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys, 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.519 welcome back to the Break. It's been a while. I 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.280 don't know the song we're singing to day No, that 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.879 was happening? You know what's on that is? No, I'm 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.519 no idea. It's been a while since. That's it. Maybe 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:48.240 if I heard the real song. I'm Stained, Stained Stained? 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.920 Who's that? That's a very popular song, But I just 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.080 know that that's the name of the song, with the 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.360 name of the band the same, staying the songs. It's 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.520 been a while, Okay, Yeah, and it starts. Do you 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.120 know I know the song? I didn't know the jan 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.000 But then again, I mean, nobody he's gonna be can't 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.640 in the Battle of North should they like? He is 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:12.000 a professional? Bronus is pretty good at that too, is he? Yeah? 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.080 But only for certain I would assume that's only for 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.200 certain time periods. I don't know he knows Jake Hole 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.600 or something. Now, well that's not by choice, not by choice. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.679 All right, Well, we have a lot of things to 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.280 talk about. I know you guys had an emergency podcast 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:33.240 last week. Emergency. Yeah, very very unexpected. Um, although you 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.240 guys talked about Jason Witten. I'll be honest, I don't 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.320 really listen to the podcast. But we're gonna still hit 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.679 on a definition I had to write article. A lot 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.319 of people did, huh A lot of people did. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.120 they did, they did. So sorry if we repeat some 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.840 of the things y'all already hit. But oh well, let's 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.680 just start off. Obviously, Jason Witten returned very unexpected. I 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.360 don't think anyone really knew that this was actually happening, 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.559 so it took us all by surprise. Now, what does 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.840 this exactly mean for the Cowboys? As far as you know, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:14.000 the change in the position, it was a position of discussion, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.600 a necessity during this offseason and for the draft. Now, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.160 how does this turn things around? People are starting to 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.920 question would he be a progress stopper? Once again, I 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.800 think it changes the urgency of the position of and 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.560 I think you know, there'll there's people here that disagree 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.880 with that, that you know you still got to go 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.720 and maybe draft one. I don't agree with that. I 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.760 don't think you have to draft a tight end. If 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.320 you do, that's fine. I don't. But let's see what 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.480 happens with Swain. I think that they like him, they 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.520 may want to try to bring him back, but I 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.320 don't think that you have to go reach for one. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.000 Here's a tight end, he's slipping. We gotta move up 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.360 ten spots to get him. If one falls in your lap, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.880 don't turn your nose to it. But you have young 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.400 tight ends that you like. You have the greatest tight 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.920 end to ever play it also on the team. I 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:03.560 don't think you're forced to go get a tight end. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.799 The only thing I think this does, in my opinion, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.880 and this is not speaking for the team. In my opinion, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.400 the only thing this does is it gives you another 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.960 year to develop your young talent. So I don't look 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.880 at this. I think of this as the Cowboys went 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.680 out and got a veteran tight end to add to 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.320 their mix. Throw the name out of the window. Not 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.680 Jason Witten. Don't think of it like that. They went 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.640 out and got a veteran tight end. To add to 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.000 the mix. And to me, if you go out and 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.280 get a veteran tight end who's thirty seven years old 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.920 to be able to add to the mix on a 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.480 one year deal, that means tight End is still an 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.560 important part for you to be considering how are you 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.720 going to do it moving forward. They may look at 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.680 it and say, we think with another year of development, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:47.640 particularly with development and Jason Witten being in the room, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:53.040 Schultz and Schwartz, Schultz, I Schultz sworts whatever I keep 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.440 getting an anyway him and Blake Jarwin. You give them 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.480 another year of development with someone with the experience of 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.240 Jason Witten in that room with them, they actually may 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.360 end up being good enough for you to be able 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.600 to play with for next year, year after that, year 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.520 after that, year after that, Right, And so if that's 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.480 the way they view it, then that works. I don't think. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.640 And this is where I differ with you a little bit. Nick. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.200 If I were going into the draft this year thinking 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.360 I need to draft somebody because what I saw from 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.440 those two guys last year suggests to me that they 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.080 will never be anything more than a number two, then 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.840 I still look at it this year in the draft, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.480 I need to get myself a replacement, and that's gonna 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.440 give me a year of that young guy developing, because 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.120 Jason's gonna be here for him to be the man 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.960 by next year. Right. So I don't think if I'm 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.560 the Cowboys, I don't let this change my opinion on 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.120 what I do for the future of the tight end 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.960 position at all. If I was gonna drive somebody, I'm 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.000 still gonna make it a priority to drive somebody. If 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.320 I was gonna let these two guys develop, I'm still 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.559 gonna let these two guys develop. I just think Jason 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.280 gives you a little bit of a little bit of 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.520 extra to go into the season knowing you got some 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.880 experience there. Now, when you look at a guy like 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.760 Sean Lee and his history of injury and having to 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.560 be off to the side and kind of coaching the 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:12.240 whole group and being in good spirits, Now you look 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.000 at a guy like Jason Witten, who was a guy 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.279 that never got off the field and it was very 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.599 possessive about his place on the field in his position. 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.279 Do you think that this would be a year where 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.359 he would be okay with giving those reps to the 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.240 younger guys, given that clearly he's not going to be 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.400 here for a long time. As far as playing on 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.960 the field now, as far as repetitions on the field, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.440 how much he plays, how much he gives room to 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.599 those young guys to develop. How do you see this 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.760 kind of playing out? Well, he's gonna it's gonna it 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.680 comes down to who's the best player. And I think 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.719 that I think it's as simple as that. I mean, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.479 in his mind, for years, he was the best guy. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.720 He was the best option. Um. I think he's understanding 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.760 that that now it won't always be the case. I 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.240 don't think he's the best player on this tight end group. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.840 Yeah you do, Yeah, I do. And they think that everyone, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.920 I mean, who doesn't. No, I don't know. I was 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.560 just asking when when you said when you said that, 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.480 it made me wonder, like, did you think that one 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.440 of those other guys maybe is better than at this point? No? No, No, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.279 I just think that it sounds good to say, you 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.240 know what, Jason, you come in here, you're not going 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.240 to be the way it was. You need to kind 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.240 of split time. That sounds good. If he's still head 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.880 and shoulders above the next best option, then he may not, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.360 you know, be off the field that much. I have 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.960 a feeling he won't be head and shoulders above the 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.880 next tight end like he has been for so many years. Right, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.960 I don't think so. You think he might be better, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.919 but it's a slight I think I think they'll be 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.920 They'll be room for for Schultz and Jarwin to do 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.000 some stuff. And that's why I just I continue to 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.240 disagree on that on that tight end, you're not really 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.120 letting those guys develop. I'm not saying don't draft the 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.160 guy in the sixth or se the rounding draft one, 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.000 but if you draft one in a third or fourth round, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.760 I mean you're getting another Schultz. Maybe maybe maybe you 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.680 draft Schultz and you figured out after a year with him, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.120 you don't think he's gonna because here's the thing. For Schultz, 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.320 at least the way I viewed it, I think last year, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.240 particularly as a blocker, I think he has a lot 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.320 of room to grow. Now. Part of that is he's 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:22.960 gonna have to get stronger. He's gonna have to maybe 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.600 get a little bigger this offseason, and that's something you 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.560 can do. We've seen guys make big jumps between their 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.800 first and their second year when they're in the offseason program. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.760 So I think there's a possibility there. But if they've 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.520 made the decision, I don't know that they have or 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.040 have not. But if they've made the decision, we think 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.880 after working with him for a year, we don't think 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.360 he's the guy that's actually gonna be our future. There. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.200 You can go back to the well and you can 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.120 get a third round pick that maybe your future there, 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.720 because it's not unheard of. I think you can get 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.040 a third round tight end that ends up being Jason Witt. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.880 I think they like him though. I do think they 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.400 like Jarwin and Schultz to the point where this is 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.800 this is good for them. Not saying they will not 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.120 draft the tight end, but I don't think that they'll 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.320 be a need for them to get when if somebody 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.360 is falling, and then you know, you have to look 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.400 at that, but you would look at that at any position. Yeah, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.640 which again I'm not saying that that they necessarily have to. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.080 I'm saying if I were the Cowboys, whatever my plan 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.440 was before, this decision doesn't change that because this is 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.720 still just a one year rental. I mean right now, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.640 it's a one year deal for Jason Witten. So whatever 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.000 you do, right now. What you don't want to do 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.560 is you don't want to end up next year. Jason's 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.880 now out, he's retired at that point, and you didn't 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.520 do anything to prepare yourself, you know now, Like he 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.559 may have caught you by surprise a year ago when 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:37.920 you decided he was going to go to the booth. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.199 Next year, it should be no surprise that Jason Witten 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.520 won't be here. So whatever you thought you needed to 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.240 do in order to shore up your tight end position, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.080 you better still be doing that preparing for next year 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.680 because next year you probably aren't gonna have him, right, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.400 But I do think that you like, if you think 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.120 Shultzer Jarwin could maybe be a starter, which I think 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.640 Jarwin has a chance to do that, then then that's 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.080 why it changed. Are you gonna opinion on what I 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.000 have to do? But that's no different than what free 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.520 agency is. Free agency is shoring up some of your 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.439 needs so you can go into the draft and take 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.560 best player. Right, So that's the point. Don't worry about 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.520 the name Jason Witten. What they did is they got 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.400 the veteran tight end and that gives them some flexibility 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.160 for a year, and you were able to save him 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.760 with when Swain went in, the things that he was 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.439 able to start doing that you hadn't seen before, and 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.760 even when he got out with the injury, these other guys, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:31.440 Blake and Dalton were able to start getting to somewhere. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.080 It happened later in the year, so there wasn't enough 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.120 time to see a real growth there, but there was 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.200 still some growth that you were able to notice, and 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.680 it is important those reps on the field and these 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.360 guys do need it. Now. For a guy like real quick, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.440 I'm sorry, ahead, go ahead now, I was gonna say, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.760 real quick, I don't know if you're moving to another topic. Okay, 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.800 then go and finish your point. I was done with 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.679 that point. I was going to ask another question about win. Okay, well, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.719 real quick, I know that Ken't just said. He has 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.520 an actual clip of Jerry talking about this particular subject, 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.800 about the fact of whether they would use a draft 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.400 pick on a tight end. So why don't we listen 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:06.720 that real quickly to see what Jerry had to say 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.600 about it would be a progress stopper for the young guys. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.120 And does that impact your decision on a tad draft? 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.520 Not at all. We um it won't do anything, but 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:25.319 accentuate what the tight end, what Whitten's position can do 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.080 on our team. It will do that. It won't deter 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.560 us in any way of using our first pick for 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.680 a tight end if we have the opportunity to. And 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.360 I don't look as Witten as a progress stopper. I 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:45.240 think when you look at how hopefully we can spread 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.280 the ball around, put enough stuff in during OTA's put 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.679 enough stuff in and training camp, call on them as 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.040 we go through the season, I think that Whitten will 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.200 have his place. He certainly has got his place in 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.120 what we do in our blocking and protection and running. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.640 All right, So it sounds like it sounds like, it 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.320 sounds good. It sounds like they at least like they 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.360 almost look at it similar to how I'm saying it 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.440 from the standpoint that if they were going to find 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.440 a tight end, if there was one that was available 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.320 to them, they certainly wouldn't say no, let's not worry 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.839 about that, but maybe not a priority like, oh my god, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.400 we gotta do this. But I don't know that there 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.400 are a lot of those this year anyway. I mean, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.480 you can talk about safe, you can talk about defensive tackle. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.560 Outside of that, I don't know that you look at 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.680 any position and say we gotta come out of this 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.480 gap with this player, right, Yeah, I mean there's not 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.959 many positions like that. I would say running back needs 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.840 to be one of them, though I think it should be. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.400 I don't know if they believe that though maybe not. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.680 I mean maybe it's addressed in free agency. But but 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:54.440 I do think Ola Wally is Oh, he's a free agent. Actually, yeah, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.480 that's true. He's a free agent, and he's one of 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.440 the guys that that they'll you know, I think they're 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.719 gonna try to resign him, um and from what I hear, 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.439 maybe give a little bit of expanded role. I mean, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.640 I know that everyone that's listening needs to calm down 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.880 from their cheering because I know they're really excited about 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.480 when I say, Jim Zola Walley could be, you know, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.560 a factor into the running back rotation. But explain that 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.400 to me, like from the standpoint of just how you 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:23.080 see it and what what his value is, how he 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.559 performed last year, give me and the other people out 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.199 there listening a reason to believe that maybe there needs 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.280 to be a like he needs to be a guy 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.480 that they would want to resign because it didn't seem like, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.599 to me, they really used him that much, and it 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.120 certainly didn't seem like when he did out those opportunities 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.480 that he really did a ton with it. Now and 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.400 I think what what they see is, first of all, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.760 he led the team in special and special teams tackle, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.720 so somebody has to do that. He did that. He's 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.720 a big running back. I don't know exactly what is 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.839 I mean, I would say to thirty or so to 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.640 twenty five, he's one of the fastest players on the team. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:02.280 Not that many people knew that. Yeah, seriously, and when 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:03.600 you say one of the fast is like one of 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.240 the top team, one of the top twenty, Like, are 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.560 you talking like one top three, six, one two forty two? 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.360 I think he runs in the I think he runs 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.000 in the four four range four four four five. He's fast, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.240 He's super fast. That's why he's leading the team. He's 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.000 running down there. And he's big. He's a big guy. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.960 He's a built like a linebacker. I think now we 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.600 all remember the Colts game where the ball went through 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.280 I mean it looked like he dropped about. Yeah, he 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.280 had like a couple of passes thrown his way and 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.800 he dropped it. But I do think that he's a 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.960 guy that they're looking at to sort of return at 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.920 the running back position, maybe get a few more carries there. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.880 There's not a lot of carries to go around. I mean, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.760 and that I'm just saying he might be like the 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.679 third guy. It does sound like Rod Smith has played 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.120 his last game with the Cowboys. So you know that's 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.920 what free agency's you know, happened right there. He's not 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.160 gonna change you from drafting someone, but I just think, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.599 you know, you actually mentioned him, but he'll be a 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.440 guy that you're throw in there. I'm missing some place. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:05.520 Oh no, no, that's the actual Oh here we go. Yeah, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:10.439 we're watching the play of Jamay's man. He got oo, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:15.000 I mean he got open. So there's something touchdown and 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.480 that Dak takes the heat. You know, Dak's the quarterback. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.800 He gets shut out. And I'm pretty sure you killed 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.120 him that day, didn't you, Dak. You didn't play well. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.200 They got shut out. I mean, I understand that that 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.720 was the pass for a touchdown, but honestly, honestly, I 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.920 don't think that was a good pass. I hate it 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.480 was a good passing. It wasn't a good pass. Any 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.040 ball that hits the guy in his hands, especially in 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.720 his hands where he doesn't know. I'm not saying catchable. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.480 It was definitely catchable. I think my three year old 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.240 maybe could have caught it. I'm cold, I'm saying putting 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.600 money on it. I don't think it was a great pass. 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.520 Did it not hit a cloud? I mean that's not mass. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.280 But no, no, no, when you're talking about a guy 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.680 that doesn't normally catch passes, you kind of need to 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.760 throw it like that, like you don't want to bullet 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.200 it in there because he doesn't normally catch passes. I 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:01.720 had to see I had to see that whole play 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.760 again short now, I know, but I mean I had 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.000 to see that whole whole play again where he threw it, 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.000 because he seemed like he could have thrown it a 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.840 little bit in a better spot. I'm not saying the 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.480 guy I shouldn't have made the catch. I'm just saying 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.640 for that pass that wasn't getting a little two peaky, 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.560 that yeah, a little two peaky. He could have caught 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.200 that for sure, and he could have. I'm not saying 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.000 he could have. I think it was a better path. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.280 I bet Dak would come in here and tell you 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.320 it was a better path. Yes, I don't know about that. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.520 I didn't mean to go down that tangent. Alright. Well, 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:37.320 just I'm fascinated with the fact that that you could 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.880 go and get it. Yeah, you didn't know that up. Yeah, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.200 that wasn't queue up in our in our pre production meeting, 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.280 can't We did not talk about that, all right? Well, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.760 going back, going back to Jason Wood and just to 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.320 close on that topic for now for today's show. You know, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.760 he during his last year, we were already talking about 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.040 him kind of slowing down in the way he was 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.960 already playing, and you started noticing that. Obviously he's about 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.320 to turn thirty seven in May, getting up there in age. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.880 But when you have a guy that retires and comes back, 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.680 there's a difference there, and it usually doesn't go the 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.440 way you wanted to go, even though it was just 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.760 one year. How much do you think this will affect 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.480 the way he performs on the field. I'll be very 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.120 interested to see, because you're talking about a guy that 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.120 already wasn't a fast guy, not necessarily a guy that's 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.920 quick twitch. Maybe that means there's not a huge difference 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.880 because he never was really quick, right, and he was crafty, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.920 and maybe craftiness doesn't leave as quickly as a year, right, 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.080 so maybe you don't see a huge difference. I will 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.880 be very interested to see it, though, because if you're 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.880 doing anything athletic, you take a year off from that 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.440 form of training and there's gonna be some difference, Like 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:55.920 you got to work your way back up to that. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:57.840 You don't just walk back in and all of a 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.960 sudden everything is back. I do know he's a concert 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.280 a worker. So if he's a consummate worker, then maybe 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.360 this offseason he can regain a lot of whatever he 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.920 had kind of gone, whatever had gone down do to 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.399 him do the inactivity or or not working out in 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.119 a football kind of way. Do you think he was 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:18.280 working out last year? Maybe not, not only at the 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.440 level as an NFL player, But you know they still 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.360 they still work out. Yeah, they still want to get 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.239 that sweat like we all work out, like it's just 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.959 what you do. Let's not forget too that. Like you 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.160 know a lot of players when they stopped playing, We've 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.040 said it a thousand times, they go one way or 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.480 the other. They look really small or they kind of 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.840 balloon up. But um, he was on TV more than 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.800 he ever was as a player, so obviously his appearance 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.119 and stuff was important to him. Um changed his hair 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.800 and everything, so you know, it was it was different. Now, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.080 like you said, he's not the only player on this 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.199 team that maybe he just grew without having to have 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.479 wear helmet. You know, Yeah, we're in a helmet that 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.560 you can't leave that alone. You just had to go 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.679 back in on that. I thought we're just gonna just 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.280 just comb over that play. But yeah, go ahead, Um, 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.040 when you're talking about being off for a year coming 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.840 back and you know, and what kind of shape are 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.480 you gonna be in? Do you get it? Does it 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.159 all come back to you? There's two players on this 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.479 team that are going to be looking at that, and 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.840 both of them their last game that they played was 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:26.400 in the Pro Bowl, Travis Frederick Jason Witten. So they're 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.600 coming in their high level player if they still were 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.560 playing at a high level. But they've been out a 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.959 year for different reasons obviously, and it'll be interesting to see. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.120 But if they can get these guys to come back 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.440 and play at that level or close, I mean, think 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.480 about how different this team is from a year ago 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.359 at this time a year ago. Really great Frederick and 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.359 Witten and even Amari Cooper for a whole offseason in 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.399 full year. You know, we'll see if they get anyone 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:57.600 in free agency, but hold just Frederick Um. He's probably okay. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.480 So he's still relatively young. And the reason why I 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.159 make that just action is because again you and I know, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.919 because we've broached both of those ages. We've already been 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.920 at both those ages. There's a big difference between getting 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.320 your body to bounce back from being inactive at the 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.680 age of twenty seven, Ken, it is at the age 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.760 of thirty seven. Yeah, there's a difference, And so I'm 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.480 interested to see, as an older guy, can you get 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.080 your body back to doing the kinds of things like 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.320 there's a thing like when you start talking about stuff 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.679 like cutting. And this will probably resonate with a lot 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.040 of our listeners out there. When you get you up 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.440