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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Break. It's been a while. I
Speaker 1: don't know the song we're singing to day No, that
Speaker 1: was happening? You know what's on that is? No, I'm
Speaker 1: no idea. It's been a while since. That's it. Maybe
Speaker 1: if I heard the real song. I'm Stained, Stained Stained?
Speaker 1: Who's that? That's a very popular song, But I just
Speaker 1: know that that's the name of the song, with the
Speaker 1: name of the band the same, staying the songs. It's
Speaker 1: been a while, Okay, Yeah, and it starts. Do you
Speaker 1: know I know the song? I didn't know the jan
Speaker 1: But then again, I mean, nobody he's gonna be can't
Speaker 1: in the Battle of North should they like? He is
Speaker 1: a professional? Bronus is pretty good at that too, is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But only for certain I would assume that's only for
Speaker 1: certain time periods. I don't know he knows Jake Hole
Speaker 1: or something. Now, well that's not by choice, not by choice.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have a lot of things to
Speaker 1: talk about. I know you guys had an emergency podcast
Speaker 1: last week. Emergency. Yeah, very very unexpected. Um, although you
Speaker 1: guys talked about Jason Witten. I'll be honest, I don't
Speaker 1: really listen to the podcast. But we're gonna still hit
Speaker 1: on a definition I had to write article. A lot
Speaker 1: of people did, huh A lot of people did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they did, they did. So sorry if we repeat some
Speaker 1: of the things y'all already hit. But oh well, let's
Speaker 1: just start off. Obviously, Jason Witten returned very unexpected. I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone really knew that this was actually happening,
Speaker 1: so it took us all by surprise. Now, what does
Speaker 1: this exactly mean for the Cowboys? As far as you know,
Speaker 1: the change in the position, it was a position of discussion,
Speaker 1: a necessity during this offseason and for the draft. Now,
Speaker 1: how does this turn things around? People are starting to
Speaker 1: question would he be a progress stopper? Once again, I
Speaker 1: think it changes the urgency of the position of and
Speaker 1: I think you know, there'll there's people here that disagree
Speaker 1: with that, that you know you still got to go
Speaker 1: and maybe draft one. I don't agree with that. I
Speaker 1: don't think you have to draft a tight end. If
Speaker 1: you do, that's fine. I don't. But let's see what
Speaker 1: happens with Swain. I think that they like him, they
Speaker 1: may want to try to bring him back, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that you have to go reach for one.
Speaker 1: Here's a tight end, he's slipping. We gotta move up
Speaker 1: ten spots to get him. If one falls in your lap,
Speaker 1: don't turn your nose to it. But you have young
Speaker 1: tight ends that you like. You have the greatest tight
Speaker 1: end to ever play it also on the team. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're forced to go get a tight end.
Speaker 1: The only thing I think this does, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and this is not speaking for the team. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: the only thing this does is it gives you another
Speaker 1: year to develop your young talent. So I don't look
Speaker 1: at this. I think of this as the Cowboys went
Speaker 1: out and got a veteran tight end to add to
Speaker 1: their mix. Throw the name out of the window. Not
Speaker 1: Jason Witten. Don't think of it like that. They went
Speaker 1: out and got a veteran tight end. To add to
Speaker 1: the mix. And to me, if you go out and
Speaker 1: get a veteran tight end who's thirty seven years old
Speaker 1: to be able to add to the mix on a
Speaker 1: one year deal, that means tight End is still an
Speaker 1: important part for you to be considering how are you
Speaker 1: going to do it moving forward. They may look at
Speaker 1: it and say, we think with another year of development,
Speaker 1: particularly with development and Jason Witten being in the room,
Speaker 1: Schultz and Schwartz, Schultz, I Schultz sworts whatever I keep
Speaker 1: getting an anyway him and Blake Jarwin. You give them
Speaker 1: another year of development with someone with the experience of
Speaker 1: Jason Witten in that room with them, they actually may
Speaker 1: end up being good enough for you to be able
Speaker 1: to play with for next year, year after that, year
Speaker 1: after that, year after that, Right, And so if that's
Speaker 1: the way they view it, then that works. I don't think.
Speaker 1: And this is where I differ with you a little bit. Nick.
Speaker 1: If I were going into the draft this year thinking
Speaker 1: I need to draft somebody because what I saw from
Speaker 1: those two guys last year suggests to me that they
Speaker 1: will never be anything more than a number two, then
Speaker 1: I still look at it this year in the draft,
Speaker 1: I need to get myself a replacement, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: give me a year of that young guy developing, because
Speaker 1: Jason's gonna be here for him to be the man
Speaker 1: by next year. Right. So I don't think if I'm
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I don't let this change my opinion on
Speaker 1: what I do for the future of the tight end
Speaker 1: position at all. If I was gonna drive somebody, I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna make it a priority to drive somebody. If
Speaker 1: I was gonna let these two guys develop, I'm still
Speaker 1: gonna let these two guys develop. I just think Jason
Speaker 1: gives you a little bit of a little bit of
Speaker 1: extra to go into the season knowing you got some
Speaker 1: experience there. Now, when you look at a guy like
Speaker 1: Sean Lee and his history of injury and having to
Speaker 1: be off to the side and kind of coaching the
Speaker 1: whole group and being in good spirits, Now you look
Speaker 1: at a guy like Jason Witten, who was a guy
Speaker 1: that never got off the field and it was very
Speaker 1: possessive about his place on the field in his position.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this would be a year where
Speaker 1: he would be okay with giving those reps to the
Speaker 1: younger guys, given that clearly he's not going to be
Speaker 1: here for a long time. As far as playing on
Speaker 1: the field now, as far as repetitions on the field,
Speaker 1: how much he plays, how much he gives room to
Speaker 1: those young guys to develop. How do you see this
Speaker 1: kind of playing out? Well, he's gonna it's gonna it
Speaker 1: comes down to who's the best player. And I think
Speaker 1: that I think it's as simple as that. I mean,
Speaker 1: in his mind, for years, he was the best guy.
Speaker 1: He was the best option. Um. I think he's understanding
Speaker 1: that that now it won't always be the case. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's the best player on this tight end group.
Speaker 1: Yeah you do, Yeah, I do. And they think that everyone,
Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't. No, I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: just asking when when you said when you said that,
Speaker 1: it made me wonder, like, did you think that one
Speaker 1: of those other guys maybe is better than at this point? No? No, No,
Speaker 1: I just think that it sounds good to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, Jason, you come in here, you're not going
Speaker 1: to be the way it was. You need to kind
Speaker 1: of split time. That sounds good. If he's still head
Speaker 1: and shoulders above the next best option, then he may not,
Speaker 1: you know, be off the field that much. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling he won't be head and shoulders above the
Speaker 1: next tight end like he has been for so many years. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You think he might be better,
Speaker 1: but it's a slight I think I think they'll be
Speaker 1: They'll be room for for Schultz and Jarwin to do
Speaker 1: some stuff. And that's why I just I continue to
Speaker 1: disagree on that on that tight end, you're not really
Speaker 1: letting those guys develop. I'm not saying don't draft the
Speaker 1: guy in the sixth or se the rounding draft one,
Speaker 1: but if you draft one in a third or fourth round,
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting another Schultz. Maybe maybe maybe you
Speaker 1: draft Schultz and you figured out after a year with him,
Speaker 1: you don't think he's gonna because here's the thing. For Schultz,
Speaker 1: at least the way I viewed it, I think last year,
Speaker 1: particularly as a blocker, I think he has a lot
Speaker 1: of room to grow. Now. Part of that is he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to get stronger. He's gonna have to maybe
Speaker 1: get a little bigger this offseason, and that's something you
Speaker 1: can do. We've seen guys make big jumps between their
Speaker 1: first and their second year when they're in the offseason program.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a possibility there. But if they've
Speaker 1: made the decision, I don't know that they have or
Speaker 1: have not. But if they've made the decision, we think
Speaker 1: after working with him for a year, we don't think
Speaker 1: he's the guy that's actually gonna be our future. There.
Speaker 1: You can go back to the well and you can
Speaker 1: get a third round pick that maybe your future there,
Speaker 1: because it's not unheard of. I think you can get
Speaker 1: a third round tight end that ends up being Jason Witt.
Speaker 1: I think they like him though. I do think they
Speaker 1: like Jarwin and Schultz to the point where this is
Speaker 1: this is good for them. Not saying they will not
Speaker 1: draft the tight end, but I don't think that they'll
Speaker 1: be a need for them to get when if somebody
Speaker 1: is falling, and then you know, you have to look
Speaker 1: at that, but you would look at that at any position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which again I'm not saying that that they necessarily have to.
Speaker 1: I'm saying if I were the Cowboys, whatever my plan
Speaker 1: was before, this decision doesn't change that because this is
Speaker 1: still just a one year rental. I mean right now,
Speaker 1: it's a one year deal for Jason Witten. So whatever
Speaker 1: you do, right now. What you don't want to do
Speaker 1: is you don't want to end up next year. Jason's
Speaker 1: now out, he's retired at that point, and you didn't
Speaker 1: do anything to prepare yourself, you know now, Like he
Speaker 1: may have caught you by surprise a year ago when
Speaker 1: you decided he was going to go to the booth.
Speaker 1: Next year, it should be no surprise that Jason Witten
Speaker 1: won't be here. So whatever you thought you needed to
Speaker 1: do in order to shore up your tight end position,
Speaker 1: you better still be doing that preparing for next year
Speaker 1: because next year you probably aren't gonna have him, right,
Speaker 1: But I do think that you like, if you think
Speaker 1: Shultzer Jarwin could maybe be a starter, which I think
Speaker 1: Jarwin has a chance to do that, then then that's
Speaker 1: why it changed. Are you gonna opinion on what I
Speaker 1: have to do? But that's no different than what free
Speaker 1: agency is. Free agency is shoring up some of your
Speaker 1: needs so you can go into the draft and take
Speaker 1: best player. Right, So that's the point. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: the name Jason Witten. What they did is they got
Speaker 1: the veteran tight end and that gives them some flexibility
Speaker 1: for a year, and you were able to save him
Speaker 1: with when Swain went in, the things that he was
Speaker 1: able to start doing that you hadn't seen before, and
Speaker 1: even when he got out with the injury, these other guys,
Speaker 1: Blake and Dalton were able to start getting to somewhere.
Speaker 1: It happened later in the year, so there wasn't enough
Speaker 1: time to see a real growth there, but there was
Speaker 1: still some growth that you were able to notice, and
Speaker 1: it is important those reps on the field and these
Speaker 1: guys do need it. Now. For a guy like real quick,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ahead, go ahead now, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: real quick, I don't know if you're moving to another topic. Okay,
Speaker 1: then go and finish your point. I was done with
Speaker 1: that point. I was going to ask another question about win. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: real quick, I know that Ken't just said. He has
Speaker 1: an actual clip of Jerry talking about this particular subject,
Speaker 1: about the fact of whether they would use a draft
Speaker 1: pick on a tight end. So why don't we listen
Speaker 1: that real quickly to see what Jerry had to say
Speaker 1: about it would be a progress stopper for the young guys.
Speaker 1: And does that impact your decision on a tad draft?
Speaker 1: Not at all. We um it won't do anything, but
Speaker 1: accentuate what the tight end, what Whitten's position can do
Speaker 1: on our team. It will do that. It won't deter
Speaker 1: us in any way of using our first pick for
Speaker 1: a tight end if we have the opportunity to. And
Speaker 1: I don't look as Witten as a progress stopper. I
Speaker 1: think when you look at how hopefully we can spread
Speaker 1: the ball around, put enough stuff in during OTA's put
Speaker 1: enough stuff in and training camp, call on them as
Speaker 1: we go through the season, I think that Whitten will
Speaker 1: have his place. He certainly has got his place in
Speaker 1: what we do in our blocking and protection and running.
Speaker 1: All right, So it sounds like it sounds like, it
Speaker 1: sounds good. It sounds like they at least like they
Speaker 1: almost look at it similar to how I'm saying it
Speaker 1: from the standpoint that if they were going to find
Speaker 1: a tight end, if there was one that was available
Speaker 1: to them, they certainly wouldn't say no, let's not worry
Speaker 1: about that, but maybe not a priority like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we gotta do this. But I don't know that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of those this year anyway. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can talk about safe, you can talk about defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, I don't know that you look at
Speaker 1: any position and say we gotta come out of this
Speaker 1: gap with this player, right, Yeah, I mean there's not
Speaker 1: many positions like that. I would say running back needs
Speaker 1: to be one of them, though I think it should be.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they believe that though maybe not.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's addressed in free agency. But but
Speaker 1: I do think Ola Wally is Oh, he's a free agent. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. He's a free agent, and he's one of
Speaker 1: the guys that that they'll you know, I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna try to resign him, um and from what I hear,
Speaker 1: maybe give a little bit of expanded role. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that everyone that's listening needs to calm down
Speaker 1: from their cheering because I know they're really excited about
Speaker 1: when I say, Jim Zola Walley could be, you know,
Speaker 1: a factor into the running back rotation. But explain that
Speaker 1: to me, like from the standpoint of just how you
Speaker 1: see it and what what his value is, how he
Speaker 1: performed last year, give me and the other people out
Speaker 1: there listening a reason to believe that maybe there needs
Speaker 1: to be a like he needs to be a guy
Speaker 1: that they would want to resign because it didn't seem like,
Speaker 1: to me, they really used him that much, and it
Speaker 1: certainly didn't seem like when he did out those opportunities
Speaker 1: that he really did a ton with it. Now and
Speaker 1: I think what what they see is, first of all,
Speaker 1: he led the team in special and special teams tackle,
Speaker 1: so somebody has to do that. He did that. He's
Speaker 1: a big running back. I don't know exactly what is
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say to thirty or so to
Speaker 1: twenty five, he's one of the fastest players on the team.
Speaker 1: Not that many people knew that. Yeah, seriously, and when
Speaker 1: you say one of the fast is like one of
Speaker 1: the top team, one of the top twenty, Like, are
Speaker 1: you talking like one top three, six, one two forty two?
Speaker 1: I think he runs in the I think he runs
Speaker 1: in the four four range four four four five. He's fast,
Speaker 1: He's super fast. That's why he's leading the team. He's
Speaker 1: running down there. And he's big. He's a big guy.
Speaker 1: He's a built like a linebacker. I think now we
Speaker 1: all remember the Colts game where the ball went through
Speaker 1: I mean it looked like he dropped about. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had like a couple of passes thrown his way and
Speaker 1: he dropped it. But I do think that he's a
Speaker 1: guy that they're looking at to sort of return at
Speaker 1: the running back position, maybe get a few more carries there.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of carries to go around. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that I'm just saying he might be like the
Speaker 1: third guy. It does sound like Rod Smith has played
Speaker 1: his last game with the Cowboys. So you know that's
Speaker 1: what free agency's you know, happened right there. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna change you from drafting someone, but I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, you actually mentioned him, but he'll be a
Speaker 1: guy that you're throw in there. I'm missing some place.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's the actual Oh here we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're watching the play of Jamay's man. He got oo,
Speaker 1: I mean he got open. So there's something touchdown and
Speaker 1: that Dak takes the heat. You know, Dak's the quarterback.
Speaker 1: He gets shut out. And I'm pretty sure you killed
Speaker 1: him that day, didn't you, Dak. You didn't play well.
Speaker 1: They got shut out. I mean, I understand that that
Speaker 1: was the pass for a touchdown, but honestly, honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't think that was a good pass. I hate it
Speaker 1: was a good passing. It wasn't a good pass. Any
Speaker 1: ball that hits the guy in his hands, especially in
Speaker 1: his hands where he doesn't know. I'm not saying catchable.
Speaker 1: It was definitely catchable. I think my three year old
Speaker 1: maybe could have caught it. I'm cold, I'm saying putting
Speaker 1: money on it. I don't think it was a great pass.
Speaker 1: Did it not hit a cloud? I mean that's not mass.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, when you're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that doesn't normally catch passes, you kind of need to
Speaker 1: throw it like that, like you don't want to bullet
Speaker 1: it in there because he doesn't normally catch passes. I
Speaker 1: had to see I had to see that whole play
Speaker 1: again short now, I know, but I mean I had
Speaker 1: to see that whole whole play again where he threw it,
Speaker 1: because he seemed like he could have thrown it a
Speaker 1: little bit in a better spot. I'm not saying the
Speaker 1: guy I shouldn't have made the catch. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: for that pass that wasn't getting a little two peaky,
Speaker 1: that yeah, a little two peaky. He could have caught
Speaker 1: that for sure, and he could have. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he could have. I think it was a better path.
Speaker 1: I bet Dak would come in here and tell you
Speaker 1: it was a better path. Yes, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to go down that tangent. Alright. Well,
Speaker 1: just I'm fascinated with the fact that that you could
Speaker 1: go and get it. Yeah, you didn't know that up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that wasn't queue up in our in our pre production meeting,
Speaker 1: can't We did not talk about that, all right? Well,
Speaker 1: going back, going back to Jason Wood and just to
Speaker 1: close on that topic for now for today's show. You know,
Speaker 1: he during his last year, we were already talking about
Speaker 1: him kind of slowing down in the way he was
Speaker 1: already playing, and you started noticing that. Obviously he's about
Speaker 1: to turn thirty seven in May, getting up there in age.
Speaker 1: But when you have a guy that retires and comes back,
Speaker 1: there's a difference there, and it usually doesn't go the
Speaker 1: way you wanted to go, even though it was just
Speaker 1: one year. How much do you think this will affect
Speaker 1: the way he performs on the field. I'll be very
Speaker 1: interested to see, because you're talking about a guy that
Speaker 1: already wasn't a fast guy, not necessarily a guy that's
Speaker 1: quick twitch. Maybe that means there's not a huge difference
Speaker 1: because he never was really quick, right, and he was crafty,
Speaker 1: and maybe craftiness doesn't leave as quickly as a year, right,
Speaker 1: so maybe you don't see a huge difference. I will
Speaker 1: be very interested to see it, though, because if you're
Speaker 1: doing anything athletic, you take a year off from that
Speaker 1: form of training and there's gonna be some difference, Like
Speaker 1: you got to work your way back up to that.
Speaker 1: You don't just walk back in and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden everything is back. I do know he's a concert
Speaker 1: a worker. So if he's a consummate worker, then maybe
Speaker 1: this offseason he can regain a lot of whatever he
Speaker 1: had kind of gone, whatever had gone down do to
Speaker 1: him do the inactivity or or not working out in
Speaker 1: a football kind of way. Do you think he was
Speaker 1: working out last year? Maybe not, not only at the
Speaker 1: level as an NFL player, But you know they still
Speaker 1: they still work out. Yeah, they still want to get
Speaker 1: that sweat like we all work out, like it's just
Speaker 1: what you do. Let's not forget too that. Like you
Speaker 1: know a lot of players when they stopped playing, We've
Speaker 1: said it a thousand times, they go one way or
Speaker 1: the other. They look really small or they kind of
Speaker 1: balloon up. But um, he was on TV more than
Speaker 1: he ever was as a player, so obviously his appearance
Speaker 1: and stuff was important to him. Um changed his hair
Speaker 1: and everything, so you know, it was it was different. Now,
Speaker 1: like you said, he's not the only player on this
Speaker 1: team that maybe he just grew without having to have
Speaker 1: wear helmet. You know, Yeah, we're in a helmet that
Speaker 1: you can't leave that alone. You just had to go
Speaker 1: back in on that. I thought we're just gonna just
Speaker 1: just comb over that play. But yeah, go ahead, Um,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about being off for a year coming
Speaker 1: back and you know, and what kind of shape are
Speaker 1: you gonna be in? Do you get it? Does it
Speaker 1: all come back to you? There's two players on this
Speaker 1: team that are going to be looking at that, and
Speaker 1: both of them their last game that they played was
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl, Travis Frederick Jason Witten. So they're
Speaker 1: coming in their high level player if they still were
Speaker 1: playing at a high level. But they've been out a
Speaker 1: year for different reasons obviously, and it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: But if they can get these guys to come back
Speaker 1: and play at that level or close, I mean, think
Speaker 1: about how different this team is from a year ago
Speaker 1: at this time a year ago. Really great Frederick and
Speaker 1: Witten and even Amari Cooper for a whole offseason in
Speaker 1: full year. You know, we'll see if they get anyone
Speaker 1: in free agency, but hold just Frederick Um. He's probably okay.
Speaker 1: So he's still relatively young. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: make that just action is because again you and I know,
Speaker 1: because we've broached both of those ages. We've already been
Speaker 1: at both those ages. There's a big difference between getting
Speaker 1: your body to bounce back from being inactive at the
Speaker 1: age of twenty seven, Ken, it is at the age
Speaker 1: of thirty seven. Yeah, there's a difference, And so I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see, as an older guy, can you get
Speaker 1: your body back to doing the kinds of things like
Speaker 1: there's a thing like when you start talking about stuff
Speaker 1: like cutting. And this will probably resonate with a lot
Speaker 1: of our listeners out there. When you get you up
Speaker 1: with thirties early forties, if you used to playing basketball
Speaker 1: and you don't play basketball for a long time and
Speaker 1: then you go out and play basketball, you have pains
Speaker 1: that you never knew there was something there to actually
Speaker 1: hurt because you're not used to the torque, you're not
Speaker 1: used to the cuts you got. Did you hear did
Speaker 1: you hear this conversation today. Yeah, that's funny that you
Speaker 1: said that. Somebody came by today and asked if we
Speaker 1: were playing basketball. Yeah, and next week because the conference
Speaker 1: to es state tournaments, you know, at the Star, and
Speaker 1: we've played last year, and so I'm like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: try to get out there. I thought maybe you'd no idea,
Speaker 1: but you've had that experience. I remember us talking about
Speaker 1: it like I did it with racquetball. First time I
Speaker 1: played racquetball when I hadn't played in a long time.
Speaker 1: It hurt, and it hurt because again, you're not used
Speaker 1: to the torque, and the older you get, the heart
Speaker 1: it is for your body to adjust to cutting and
Speaker 1: bending and all that kind of stuff. That's the part
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if Jason Witten, if his body
Speaker 1: can handle that, because what happens a lot of times
Speaker 1: you end up injured because your body's not used to it.
Speaker 1: That's where I'll be interested to see. Not so much
Speaker 1: is he as slow as he always was, or faster
Speaker 1: than he was or whatever I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be more can his body handle the rigor of doing
Speaker 1: something he hasn't done for a year. Yeah, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, well you get into de Marcus, Lawrence and
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Speaker 1: Slash Football Back to the break all right, now, let's
Speaker 1: move on to the Marcus Lawrence big topic this week,
Speaker 1: he was issued the franchise tag to twenty point five
Speaker 1: million dollars. Sounds pretty good, but maybe not to the
Speaker 1: Marcus because he is trying to secure his future and
Speaker 1: you know, work into something else. Now, there's still time
Speaker 1: to negotiate a deal, I believe until July fifteen, right,
Speaker 1: and they can still get to that point. But as
Speaker 1: if stant right now, what do you think it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Here is he going to sign it? Could
Speaker 1: he miss OTAs? Could he hold out to kind of wait,
Speaker 1: like what's the status? And there's another factor in there
Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday that Um, Derek and I think
Speaker 1: are on different you know, spectrums of this about what
Speaker 1: this means. But his his shoulder surgery that he needs.
Speaker 1: He has torn labor and he needs UM that that
Speaker 1: procedure done. And he sounds like he's waiting on this.
Speaker 1: This is something I okay, let me ask you real quick.
Speaker 1: I read the reports and this is something I don't
Speaker 1: really understand as to why wait on the surgery, Like,
Speaker 1: if you need it, you're gonna need it, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's that's I think that's the point of what
Speaker 1: Nick's getting at, finished saying with You're saying, let's see
Speaker 1: if it answers her question. I just it sounds like
Speaker 1: and I and I haven't talked to DeMarcus about this
Speaker 1: or really talked to him at all, um, except for
Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese. But he wasn't talking about random Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: he basically was saying that, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's just saying I can do this at my
Speaker 1: own time. I would like to get this thing done,
Speaker 1: but if this thing drags out, then I'll do it
Speaker 1: whenever I signed the deal, And then that means he
Speaker 1: could miss part of the season and they're paying twenty
Speaker 1: point five million, which is I don't know math one
Speaker 1: point two one point three million per game and missing
Speaker 1: four or five games because of that. So that's gonna
Speaker 1: be real interesting to see. I think I don't think
Speaker 1: there's being I don't think there's a rift yet, but
Speaker 1: if the longer he holds on that, I think it
Speaker 1: will be. I'm worried. I'm worried personally because I do
Speaker 1: think that, and I don't know that he is or
Speaker 1: is not using this as leverage, but I think he can.
Speaker 1: He can, and I do believe. I know there's some
Speaker 1: that believe it's not leverage. I do believe it's leverage
Speaker 1: because the way I look at it is, if you're him,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're thinking, okay, well, basically, in
Speaker 1: a scenario where let's be honest, the CBA doesn't give
Speaker 1: players a whole lot of leverage in the situation, really
Speaker 1: none at all. But the one piece that he has
Speaker 1: it times up that he has an injury. So let's
Speaker 1: assume for a second that he says, Okay, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna have the surgery until I get a long
Speaker 1: term deal, all right. That puts that makes a situation
Speaker 1: where one or two things happen. Either the Cowboys get
Speaker 1: him a deal sooner so that he can go ahead
Speaker 1: and get the surgery so he can be ready for
Speaker 1: the season, or they wait up until the last minute
Speaker 1: and get a deal. Then he has to get the
Speaker 1: surgery or play with a bump shoulder for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year, or they kicking it gets past that deadline,
Speaker 1: and then it has to be either you sign the
Speaker 1: franchise tag or nothing. And he says, okay, I'll sign
Speaker 1: the franchise a day. I'll get the surgery tomorrow. So basically,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me the franchise tag for a year
Speaker 1: for me to sit and do nothing because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to rehab, right And so for me, I look
Speaker 1: at that and I'm like, that gives him some leverage.
Speaker 1: Now you can grade it out and say how much
Speaker 1: leverage does he have? Does that then create you know,
Speaker 1: badwill with the organization in the deal In a situation
Speaker 1: where he wants them to actually give him a long
Speaker 1: term deal and trust him. He's the right kind of guy.
Speaker 1: All those things are valid, But I think in a
Speaker 1: scenario in a CBA where there's very little leverage given
Speaker 1: the players, I think this does give him some and
Speaker 1: that worries me because I look at this right now
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, man, this defense took so many steps
Speaker 1: ahead this year. I would hate to see anything happen
Speaker 1: that takes them backwards. And having that kind of guy
Speaker 1: as your primary prap pass rusher and the leader of
Speaker 1: by the way, that defense, I just think there's a
Speaker 1: lot that can go wrong. So I'm hopeful that both
Speaker 1: these guys are just kind of they're having these conversations
Speaker 1: and really behind the scenes it's much more amicable than that,
Speaker 1: and that he's not thinking about this as leverage, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are really in good faith trying to find
Speaker 1: a great deal, and everybody wants to get to the
Speaker 1: bottom line, and everybody's on the same page that we're
Speaker 1: gonna pay you. We just need to find all we
Speaker 1: need to fine tune this to get it to the
Speaker 1: right dollar amount. If all that's happening, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's not if it's not that bottoms though. It's not
Speaker 1: happening because they offered him at lowball deal this week.
Speaker 1: And I say lowball because that's how you negotiate right
Speaker 1: now and you have to work. It's what you do.
Speaker 1: But why did you start it last week? Why not
Speaker 1: after the Rams game? You know you like him, you
Speaker 1: know you need them. You know, why are we starting
Speaker 1: all this then, especially when there's surgery. I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest issue there, right And doesn't that beg the
Speaker 1: question if that continues? You don't have a deadline until July.
Speaker 1: The problem with that is if he holds out on
Speaker 1: the start shoulder surgery, that means it affects your season,
Speaker 1: and then he starts getting frustrated, and then that starts
Speaker 1: causing issues because now you're not very um, how would
Speaker 1: you say this like, well, workable, not workable, but yeah,
Speaker 1: negotiable in a way, like you know you start if
Speaker 1: I'm upset week, you take it personal? Yeah you start.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna go another way with that, which
Speaker 1: let's not forget. You know what who the ringleader of
Speaker 1: the Hot Boys exactly? And these guys it was not William,
Speaker 1: but he's he's in there you're not the ring. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now he's a member member, but he's not the leader. Okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean that's the thing. You don't want
Speaker 1: those guys frustraate. You don't want to Antoine Woods and
Speaker 1: Daniel Rosses and all that. Then our website is frustrated
Speaker 1: if everyone you know, I mean, so we've got a
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Though. It's a big deal because
Speaker 1: because he meant so much to that locker room, and
Speaker 1: without him, this would not be the same, even with
Speaker 1: what happened last year, this whole hot boys thing or defense,
Speaker 1: it would just not be the same without him. I
Speaker 1: honestly think he's more valuable than just a player. He
Speaker 1: is more than just a defensive Okay, that that's being said.
Speaker 1: And this is what I hope he understands, and I
Speaker 1: think he does. And this we're just kind of speculating
Speaker 1: on stuff we don't know a lot about. But you know,
Speaker 1: I I think that would you say that he is
Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher your Howard Asian makes no no,
Speaker 1: but it depends because that's all that's a classification in
Speaker 1: my opinion, Yes, yeah, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a little mac but I think that there's probably
Speaker 1: two or three guys that are above everybody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he is an elite pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I didn't say defensive man, I just meant pass rusher
Speaker 1: off the edge. I don't know if he is. I
Speaker 1: think he's really really good. But the other things, the leadership,
Speaker 1: the run stopping ability, the stuff that he does as
Speaker 1: a player, he is. He is an valuable valuable place. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me turn that. All I'm saying is is,
Speaker 1: don't I'd hate for him to play that game. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm holding now. I'm have surgery later. I'm missed six
Speaker 1: games because that changes. It might not change a lot
Speaker 1: for this year, but it's gonna change his next contract.
Speaker 1: So when you ask that question, is he an elite
Speaker 1: pass rusher outside of Khalil Mack? Is there anybody better
Speaker 1: than him? Well, I mean von Miller is better than him. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm asking, I'm asking give me some names quantify
Speaker 1: this for him a little bit. I wouldn't say clown.
Speaker 1: He's better, but that's my opinion. I mean, I'm it's
Speaker 1: Frank Clark better. You know again, they don't do everything
Speaker 1: and again I just said pass rusher because that's what
Speaker 1: you're paying for. But but what really, what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is what makes DeMarcus Laurens one of the
Speaker 1: five best defensive ends in the league is the total package, right,
Speaker 1: I get the total package of I'm gonna stop the run,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna play through injury, which
Speaker 1: he did last year. I'm gonna be the leader. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sign my tender right when it's I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do with the guy. I'm gonna lead the right way too,
Speaker 1: because that's the thing that's a big show. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is is if you start going down that road
Speaker 1: of now I'm gonna do things kind of for me,
Speaker 1: then the overall package of what this guy is and
Speaker 1: what he brings to the locker room might change a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know what I'm saying. Getting outside the
Speaker 1: field in the locker room stuff, even just being on
Speaker 1: the field, even if he doesn't get to the quarterback
Speaker 1: and he's not recording those tacks, I mean, that opens
Speaker 1: up opportunities for the other guys on the line. And
Speaker 1: that's why you've seen so much success in this line.
Speaker 1: I believe so, and he makes everyone there better and
Speaker 1: one of those guys is facing a suspension and Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory on the other side. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: that that I think that has a way of affecting
Speaker 1: this whole negotiation as well, because he probably looks at
Speaker 1: that as a little bit more leverage for himself as well.
Speaker 1: I think I think tight end has changed during the
Speaker 1: last week to defensive end of before Wittin. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you better go get you tight end in this draft.
Speaker 1: Now it's like you don't have to go get one
Speaker 1: um defensive end. I think it's you better go get
Speaker 1: a defensive end in this draft. I really think you
Speaker 1: need you need to. You can't count on Gregory at all.
Speaker 1: You know this. You just that didn't change though, but
Speaker 1: you should have known that last year. Okay. And that's
Speaker 1: not about yeah, that's just where he is right now.
Speaker 1: You can't trust the fact that it's not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not finished, because all I'm saying is is Taco's not reliable.
Speaker 1: You can't count on him after two years. Durrance Armstrong
Speaker 1: did not show you enough his first year that you're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what a place that guy. We're going with him. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's not going to develop, but you know, and
Speaker 1: then he has potential. Yeah, yeah, I like, But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying there's there's a spot there. And really, truth
Speaker 1: be told, if Tacco was playing really well and Gregor
Speaker 1: reed it wasn't facing any suspensions, and Durrance Armstrong did
Speaker 1: look pretty good and DeMarcus Lawrence was going to be
Speaker 1: fine and that badass defensive ends there in the third round.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it's still kind of you still do
Speaker 1: but not only that, but this goes back to what
Speaker 1: you said about tight end as well. You take your
Speaker 1: pick at the toward the back end of the second
Speaker 1: round and use it on a defensive end pass rusher.
Speaker 1: The chances that that guy is going to be good
Speaker 1: enough to be better than guys that have been here
Speaker 1: for a year or more next year it's relatively small.
Speaker 1: So is there a position where that's not the case. No,
Speaker 1: And that's my but that's my point, and that's that's
Speaker 1: where I say, I don't know that you're going that
Speaker 1: makes it to where hey, we gotta ye, Well, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be better than Connor Williams. Well, that was
Speaker 1: a problem with Carna Williams. He needed a year right
Speaker 1: to kind of get there. But there have been other
Speaker 1: guards that we've seen that, you know, guarden safety because
Speaker 1: of how late they draft the best one. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: you can get those guys to be a lot better
Speaker 1: early on. But I personally believe that you're kind of
Speaker 1: saying is the same thing as what you said about
Speaker 1: tight end. I think you know, when you look at
Speaker 1: defensive end because of where you're drafting, I don't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna get somebody that's gonna be consequential player next
Speaker 1: year specifically. And if that's the case, then you look
Speaker 1: at it and you say, they may not beat out
Speaker 1: a Taco, they may not beat out of Doran's Armstrong
Speaker 1: next year. Those guys may be better. Those guys may
Speaker 1: be better at least for next year. And then you
Speaker 1: see what happens beyond that. You know. Yeah, now you
Speaker 1: hit on Randy Gregory and I wanted just to get
Speaker 1: into that topic a little bit. David Irving against specially,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have moved on. They they've shown
Speaker 1: how they are, you know, their feelings towards him. Bye Bye.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. On the other hand, it's a different story
Speaker 1: we know the history with him. He's now once again suspended.
Speaker 1: We don't know the exact time or any specific details
Speaker 1: on that, but according to Jerry Jones, they seem to
Speaker 1: be very supportive and backing him up a lot. Do
Speaker 1: you guys have any issues with how the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: kind of endle in this situation as far as you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a nice way I put it,
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't think anybody really understands what
Speaker 1: what all is happening, because you know, behind closed doors
Speaker 1: and everything that that he's being asked to do, and
Speaker 1: and and by the league, by the league and all
Speaker 1: that so and then what what you know? And I
Speaker 1: know Brian can talk about this a little bit more too,
Speaker 1: but um, not to put you on the spot, but
Speaker 1: I mean being at the criminal, it's criminal what the
Speaker 1: league is asking me to do. It really is that's
Speaker 1: the way to jump into the show. I mean, lead
Speaker 1: with the lead. Right For a second, I thought you
Speaker 1: were calling him a criminal. It's criminal what the league
Speaker 1: is asking him to do. And I'll probably get fired
Speaker 1: for saying that, but it's true. And you know you're
Speaker 1: not helping Randy Gregory. Randy Gregory. You're talking about the league, right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the league got you know, when him
Speaker 1: having to fly to do this, and fly to do that,
Speaker 1: and take ten tests to do this and do this,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Randy Gregory did his absolute best.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, though, has a sickness. Okay, you're not helping
Speaker 1: his sickness by taking him away from any type of
Speaker 1: help he can get. His family is in that locker room,
Speaker 1: his family is on that football field. His family is
Speaker 1: his support staff. Is it a problem with the relapse, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, but he's not alone and relapse. He's not
Speaker 1: the only person that's ever relapsed. But what the league
Speaker 1: has asked him to do as a player to maintain
Speaker 1: his eligibility is criminal. Now, could this has been something
Speaker 1: that he didn't necessarily take some drugs and failed to test,
Speaker 1: but just maybe missed don't Well what we do know, Well,
Speaker 1: here's what we do, right, Yeah, here's what we do.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's not to the point where he actually
Speaker 1: relapsing that, right, Yes, what we do know is according
Speaker 1: to the league policy that if you don't take a
Speaker 1: test that you're scheduled to take, it's like a test. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So although we may not know the exact circumstance for
Speaker 1: him in this situation, we know that that is a possibility. Yes,
Speaker 1: so so yes, all those things are possibilities. Here When
Speaker 1: you say he is in trouble with the league again,
Speaker 1: he could have not taken a single drug at this
Speaker 1: point and it could have been something like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying one way or the other, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that is definitely a possible, which is maybe why Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, they're not white much. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not black and white on this. Absolutely, you have to
Speaker 1: control what you can control as a team. And like
Speaker 1: I just said that now going into the draft, and
Speaker 1: I know that you're you're not you know, you're a
Speaker 1: fifty eight, But that's my number one priority now is
Speaker 1: defensive end. I'm not saying you have to go at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, but my number one priority would be getting
Speaker 1: a defensive vent. And it's not just because of Gregory,
Speaker 1: It's because Taco hasn't done anything. I Dawrence. Please read
Speaker 1: our report we wrote about him yesterday. Taco. Yeah we
Speaker 1: wrote about Tacco, right, Yeah, yeah, read about all that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I mean, he's that's the one
Speaker 1: guy that has been drafted that you kind of go, geez,
Speaker 1: what happened there? You know, and there's still time. There's
Speaker 1: still time. I mean, he started off I thought pretty
Speaker 1: well in training camp, get the Giants game week two,
Speaker 1: gets a sack, You're kind of like, oh, he's part
Speaker 1: of the rotation. We go yeah, And then he misses
Speaker 1: five games because of a short older injury which he
Speaker 1: had fixed. You know. Now that's the big unknown that
Speaker 1: you know. And Nick's not wrong there. I would argue
Speaker 1: with him too, double dip this thing. Go defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: go defensive end. You know, if you saw what happened
Speaker 1: to this team in December in Indianapolis, in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: you guys were all there. I was sitting in a
Speaker 1: beautiful studio here at the Star, But that you saw
Speaker 1: what happened, you got beat up a little bit up front.
Speaker 1: You know, the human log was playing with a hurt
Speaker 1: You know, he was hurt, and he got his shoulder
Speaker 1: fixed and all that, but you need more help there.
Speaker 1: Him Collins, those guys they didn't have enough depth at
Speaker 1: that position. They got away with it all year because
Speaker 1: you had Layton vander Esh and you had Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: playing inside. That helped them kind of to control the
Speaker 1: run a little bit, and then with a box player occasionally.
Speaker 1: But they've got to get better. Nick's not wrong in there.
Speaker 1: If it's defensive end, if it's defensive tackle, I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no problem. Rod Marinelli and them spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time at the combine with these guys. But what's
Speaker 1: Marinelli gonna do? Oh, you know, I'm gonna coach the orphans.
Speaker 1: I kind of like the young guys here, kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, I love Rod Maryelly, but gosh, Rob,
Speaker 1: stand on the table and bang out for these guys
Speaker 1: to fight and get defensive line help for yourself. You're
Speaker 1: a great coach. Go out there and get yourself some help,
Speaker 1: make make make Kellen Moore uncomfortable having to argue for
Speaker 1: offensive players. That's that's your job right now. And you
Speaker 1: know better than anybody else. And I'll let Amber take
Speaker 1: this to break before your answer. But this draft seems
Speaker 1: like it's so heavy on defensive tackle. There are gonna
Speaker 1: be guys available to us in the second and third
Speaker 1: round that are quality. Absolutely, And again, the Cowboys spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time you know, I know they spent
Speaker 1: an hour with this Zach Allen, who's a defensive end
Speaker 1: from Boston College, kind of a clone of Taller, clone
Speaker 1: of of a Tyrone Crawford. Guy could play the end,
Speaker 1: can play tackle. You know, we watched him, We covered
Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl and played good as Actually
Speaker 1: it's a three technique, so looking for a guy with
Speaker 1: a little flexibility there. Now, Brian Browns was able to
Speaker 1: attend the comeline like every year and be there watching
Speaker 1: like a creeper. But of serving all these players, he's
Speaker 1: gonna tell it's not rolling out during this comby after
Speaker 1: the draft, I mean after the break. That's one of
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Speaker 1: round pick. Well after that intro for Brian Broddess, I
Speaker 1: hope the report you got for us is good. What
Speaker 1: do you want to know? Tell me about some of
Speaker 1: the guys that stood out obviously according uh that would
Speaker 1: be fitting for are the Cowboys and impossible prospect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what I think what you have to do
Speaker 1: is you have to look at the you have to
Speaker 1: look at where you're at in the draft. Of course,
Speaker 1: you don't have a first round pick. Now again, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: we've seen, you know him, kind of do some magical things.
Speaker 1: What he might give up, you know, his fifty eight
Speaker 1: and his next year's one and trying to get back
Speaker 1: in the back end of this thing. But I think
Speaker 1: you're looking at guys in this draft like a Jalen Ferguson,
Speaker 1: you know from Louisiana, tech a DeAndre Walker from Georgia.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about defensive ends, maybe the LJ. Callier
Speaker 1: from TCU. Those are the kinds of guys you're looking at.
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson I mentioned Zach Allen. You know, these are
Speaker 1: guys that are all defensive ends that could potentially slide
Speaker 1: to you at fifty eight, all really good players. You're
Speaker 1: not going to have a crack though. I think at
Speaker 1: a guy's like Montes Sweat. If we all know Montes
Speaker 1: Sweat Mississippi State, He's two hundred and sixty pounds ran
Speaker 1: you know four four one or four four two. It
Speaker 1: was incredible. But they there's probably there's probably six seven
Speaker 1: first round defensive ends in this draft. It'd be kind
Speaker 1: of a nice draft to have a first round pick
Speaker 1: if you're looking for one of those top guys. But
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are looking, there's going to be a
Speaker 1: second round guy with legitimate grades there that they're going
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to grab. And I mentioned those
Speaker 1: guys again, call your and ferguson Walker, those types of guys.
Speaker 1: Alan was another one. Like every year we always end
Speaker 1: up coming up with two names that we're excited for,
Speaker 1: like hoping that the Cowboys grab. Could you give us
Speaker 1: two of the names that you're excited for right now? Well,
Speaker 1: all the guys that I mentioned, I think would be
Speaker 1: would come in and you start thinking about, okay, well
Speaker 1: how would they compete? Would they immediately be part of
Speaker 1: the rotation? I think any one of those guys that
Speaker 1: I mentioned, like I said DeAndre Walker, I really liked him.
Speaker 1: He's more of a kind of he's a stand up
Speaker 1: plays like a stand up linebacker at Georgia, but you'll
Speaker 1: see him put his hand down and rush the pass.
Speaker 1: He plays the run well. He can extend on people.
Speaker 1: Ferguson is a guy that's you know, six four, two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds. He could also you know, he's
Speaker 1: got linked to him. He's kind of like the guy
Speaker 1: that Rod Marinois would like. I'm you know, I mentioned
Speaker 1: also that Zach Allen that he could play that you
Speaker 1: could play the defensive inSpot probably play left defensive end
Speaker 1: really well for you and then kick inside and play
Speaker 1: some of the three technique or the undertackle. Any one
Speaker 1: of those guys would be it would be you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to find guys that could come in
Speaker 1: and rotate. You could maybe find a potential starter out
Speaker 1: of that. I think guys like a guy like Ferguson
Speaker 1: call your walker. I think those are your potential starters.
Speaker 1: With Alan, you know, uh kind of led better, another
Speaker 1: guy from Georgia being like the backup type guys. If
Speaker 1: you're looking for rotational players, right, who's the I'm gonna
Speaker 1: flip it to the offensive side of the ball, even
Speaker 1: though I know defensive line is important, but number four
Speaker 1: for Georgia Harman, Yeah, Hardeman, Yeah, where's he? Where's he
Speaker 1: getting drafted? Well, you know, he's a guy that people
Speaker 1: have kind of talked about. There's Colt Beasley and I know, um,
Speaker 1: we've talked about Cole Beasley's. You had a tweet the
Speaker 1: other day, I believe Aday Cole Beasley. Cole Beasley was
Speaker 1: talking about that that he had these like like that
Speaker 1: slot receivers growing trees. Don't growing trees or growing trees
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, you know you're looking to talk
Speaker 1: about they're kind of growing. They're growing. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like it's you're kind of looking up at the tree
Speaker 1: and go, wow, Okay, I'll take the kid from South Carolina.
Speaker 1: I'll take that kid from Clemson. Hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: where's that kid from Georgia. Where's he fit? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of where I think when you
Speaker 1: talk about guys like Samuel from South Carolina. You know,
Speaker 1: Hardman is from Georgia. He's a guy that's a little
Speaker 1: bit of an undersized guy, so he'll he'll be very
Speaker 1: familiar with how he looks style. Cole Beasley, this guy's
Speaker 1: a legitimate track guy. He's a four three guy. You
Speaker 1: watch him play, he can actually make plays down the field. Well,
Speaker 1: that's my question. How many of these guys that you're
Speaker 1: seeing us as is another guy that ran really well?
Speaker 1: Andy a Spell from UMass University of Massachusetts ran really well,
Speaker 1: really well at the come four three one was his time.
Speaker 1: He was he was tied for the fastest time at
Speaker 1: the combine. Uh, you know with with my guy from
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Paris Campbell. Yeah, when you start looking at
Speaker 1: these guys, how many of these guys? And I even
Speaker 1: think about this in free agency because if it's the way,
Speaker 1: if it's my decision and I'm going with a veteran guy,
Speaker 1: I would look at a guy like Golden Tape before
Speaker 1: Basic mainly because he can play inside and outside. How
Speaker 1: many of those guys coming out of college that you
Speaker 1: look at a slot guys can also play outside? Because
Speaker 1: to me, that's the kind of guy. I think. The
Speaker 1: best guy that would be with Deebo Samuel from from
Speaker 1: South Carolina. The name yes, and he's and and you
Speaker 1: watch him play and he clearly can make plays inside
Speaker 1: and out. I mean, I'll tell you guy, your guy,
Speaker 1: little Jordan Humphrey can be again. Let me tell you this, though,
Speaker 1: where do big tight ends play? Where the big tight
Speaker 1: ends or those athletic tight ends, where do they usually
Speaker 1: line him up in tight like off the ball or
Speaker 1: in the slot? Yeah? Does he run any slower than
Speaker 1: one of these? Does he run slower? I mean he's
Speaker 1: a four he's a four seven five guy, Okay, but
Speaker 1: if you're four seven, yeah, he's He does play fascinating,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You watch his tape. Is he
Speaker 1: any worse off than what? When than lining jar went
Speaker 1: up outside or line line? He swam up outside Noah
Speaker 1: Brown Exactly. If you're gonna put a big guy in
Speaker 1: the slot, give me a big guy that can knows
Speaker 1: how to how to how to separate, how to catch
Speaker 1: the football, how to play past the sticks, how to
Speaker 1: play vertical. Yeah, he's not your traditional Oh I could
Speaker 1: eat peanuts off the top of his head. Guy. This
Speaker 1: is a taller man. This is what you know. This
Speaker 1: is where you want it. This is where you want
Speaker 1: to sit there and look at you know, you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't get fooled. This is where we get in trouble.
Speaker 1: We fall in love with the measurables. We fall in
Speaker 1: love with he can't do this, he can't do this,
Speaker 1: He can't you know, always two slow tous. If you
Speaker 1: watch Humphrey play and you watch every single Texas game
Speaker 1: and you live and die on plays, he makes you
Speaker 1: live and he makes a ton of him. So I
Speaker 1: think that if you know, there's it's not always the
Speaker 1: small little guy that plays inside, even though that's what
Speaker 1: we've grown accustomed to, kind of have an idea of
Speaker 1: where bigger players we've seen. It's a problem. Well, frankly, frankly,
Speaker 1: he was the best. He was actually the most consistent
Speaker 1: playmaker they had on the team last year. Yeah, Colin
Speaker 1: Johnson was good, but he I love College. He wasn't
Speaker 1: as consistent as eld Yeah, I love Colin Johnson. I
Speaker 1: think one of the issues Beasley he actually benefited from
Speaker 1: over you know, his career here is the fact that
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant did not play in the slot. Because if
Speaker 1: Dez was really playing like and he got taken out
Speaker 1: of games at times, if Dez was really a complete,
Speaker 1: complete tight end like the Julio Jones and all those guys,
Speaker 1: he lined them up all over the place. What I say,
Speaker 1: you said, tight end? I'm sorry, deep wide receiver. He
Speaker 1: would like, like they're gonna do with him Mark Cooper,
Speaker 1: you know, line him up, but when what when you
Speaker 1: do line up a guy in the slot, and then
Speaker 1: where does Beasley go off the field? Or he's not
Speaker 1: going to go to the outside. And that's why whoever
Speaker 1: you put in that spot and needs to be got
Speaker 1: inside or out so you have the flex. He'll never
Speaker 1: say there's your golden Taide argument, right right. I think
Speaker 1: he'll never admit it, but I think he benefited from
Speaker 1: the fact that Dez was kind of limited and where
Speaker 1: he could play. So therefore he got to play on
Speaker 1: the slot a lot more because you got to get
Speaker 1: Cooper where you know, the best matchup, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to take that guy off the field. So yeah, yep, absolutely, Again,
Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of guys in this in this draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mentioned Andy Isabella. You know, Penny Hart
Speaker 1: didn't go to the combine, but he's you know West,
Speaker 1: he's a Georgia state and you know you watch you
Speaker 1: watch him play. I mean, the guy makes a ton
Speaker 1: of plays. So don't feel like that you can't. And
Speaker 1: I again, I gave you little bit of guys and
Speaker 1: I gave you a really big guy. You know you
Speaker 1: could find slot players. The fact that they're even tinkering
Speaker 1: with putting Cooper inside tells you all you need to
Speaker 1: know that they feel like, okay, they well, we'll do
Speaker 1: whatever we have to do to make sure we work outside.
Speaker 1: You got Jason Witten now too to catch underneath stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's your hope. Yeah that helps. Yep. Well,
Speaker 1: after you're mentioning Cole Beastley and you brought up one
Speaker 1: of the tweets. Some of the things he tweeted was
Speaker 1: basically asking or saying to one of the fans, twenty
Speaker 1: million guaranteed. And after hearing that and kind of seeing
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are starting to transition into as far
Speaker 1: as the wide receiver position, is it fair to say
Speaker 1: that they have definitely moved on. No, well, no, not yet.
Speaker 1: Twenty million is what he's saying. That doesn't mean somebody
Speaker 1: out there is willing to pay him twenty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: So it may all come back to the come back
Speaker 1: to a point where the Cowboys are like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: number we can do. We can't do, Tony, but this
Speaker 1: is a number one. He's a mercenary he's going to
Speaker 1: go where over the highest money? Right if it's the Jets.
Speaker 1: You know, I heard a couple of teams, the Jets
Speaker 1: where a team I heard was mentioned as far as
Speaker 1: the destination for him. But you got to think about
Speaker 1: how I think he can find He can definitely find
Speaker 1: a team that will take him. Yeah, no, but how
Speaker 1: much is in You think there's a team out there's
Speaker 1: gonna pay him twenty million guarants. We thought about Tarret's
Speaker 1: william see it happened here. We thought Tarret's Williams is
Speaker 1: gonna get paid. He really didn't get right, He really didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean time you think, oh, that guy's gonna get paid,
Speaker 1: he might come with a hat and hand deal. I
Speaker 1: think the cold Beast is looking at twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: I think he's looking for a nine to ten million
Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus and then okay, make my salary one
Speaker 1: million dollars, and then okay, in the second year and
Speaker 1: make it eight million dollars more. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that's what he's trying to do. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: trying to say, okay, give it to me all up. Well,
Speaker 1: he wants it all up front in the form of
Speaker 1: a signing bonus, he'll take less base to make this work.
Speaker 1: That's where somebody's gonna have to be creative. But that's
Speaker 1: my problem with it is if you're saying twenty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: I look at Cole Beasily, if I'm somebody outside of
Speaker 1: this organization and I say, I don't really know what
Speaker 1: I'm getting. Do I want to guarantee him even if
Speaker 1: we put it kind of mix it up like that
Speaker 1: over a couple of years. Do I want to guarantee
Speaker 1: this guy twenty million because I really don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm getting. This is gonna sound terrible. I would guarantee
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas twenty million dollars before I guarantee no doubt
Speaker 1: about it in the wild Cards to all, this is
Speaker 1: what the offense is going to look like, you know
Speaker 1: what what? And I think it factored in Jason Witten
Speaker 1: coming back. I think that you know, they see what
Speaker 1: they what they think Kellen Moore is going to do
Speaker 1: and how he's going to be able to factor in here.
Speaker 1: But but would you say, I'm going to go off
Speaker 1: topic a little bit with Beasley still, but do you
Speaker 1: think he's a Dallas cowboy right now, Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where he goes after this, like he will always
Speaker 1: be a Dallas Cowboy, or does he have still enough
Speaker 1: years that he could finish. It depends on what he does,
Speaker 1: because if he goes somewhere and just has one blow
Speaker 1: up year, he's no longer just a Dallas cowboy, right.
Speaker 1: I just think some of these players, and Beasley's a
Speaker 1: good example, a fan favorite type of guy. And this
Speaker 1: isn't really my idea was brought to me yesterday, and
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. These guys do need
Speaker 1: to realize that, Yeah, there may be a little bit
Speaker 1: more money over here right now, but in the course
Speaker 1: of twenty years, thirty years, Dallas. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: some of these guys that are still doing stuff, still
Speaker 1: getting paid to do different things because they are Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't just end when you're you're doing
Speaker 1: our pre postgame, right And so I'm just saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. There's a lot of opportunities that's
Speaker 1: true of being a Dallas a lifetime for a long term,
Speaker 1: long term. Yeah, And that's why I asked, is he's
Speaker 1: still he's been here? You know a few year. I
Speaker 1: think he's a mercenary myself. Yeah, he's going for the money.
Speaker 1: You know, there's people will still remind you three kids,
Speaker 1: Yeah they're old babies, basically. Yeah, there were people that
Speaker 1: remind you that he quit on you though, no people
Speaker 1: remind you that he quit. You know that he had
Speaker 1: to be asked to come back, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: people that still haven't forgotten that, you know, he just
Speaker 1: he quit on the team. One of the guys that
Speaker 1: was really upset by that. I also wouldn't quit on
Speaker 1: the team too. Yeah, that he I mean, I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but he did. He was a little
Speaker 1: different though, I think. I mean, you had this conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different, just because but
Speaker 1: they were they weren't sitting at they weren't sitting at
Speaker 1: training camp, and then all of a sudden he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going home. Like that's different. True, but wait until
Speaker 1: the draft. I mean, you know, okay, okay. But he
Speaker 1: also said in his in his little press conference or
Speaker 1: with a little statement, this team is really good and
Speaker 1: it has a chance to do something, and I want
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. He wasn't thinking that
Speaker 1: but back then he wasn't well, I love Jason, that
Speaker 1: was saying, right, you're right, that's a part of it.
Speaker 1: But I think no, no, no, no, I think that's
Speaker 1: actually and I said the same thing last week. If
Speaker 1: you remember when we have the show, I said the
Speaker 1: same thing. I do believe though that I think, you know,
Speaker 1: at least part of this he still wants to At
Speaker 1: the time, he probably looked at that and said, this
Speaker 1: is a once in a lifetime opportunity to be able
Speaker 1: to go and call games on ESPN like it is.
Speaker 1: That's that is not a situation. If I pass it
Speaker 1: up now, I'll get back to it next year. Like so,
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those situations where he
Speaker 1: probably said those things are all factors, absolutely right. But
Speaker 1: I think part of it also was I got this
Speaker 1: one time shot, man, I really just want to see
Speaker 1: I didn't see if this is something that maybe maybe
Speaker 1: and make the money. Maybe she saw it through, because
Speaker 1: I understand with what you're saying about this is a
Speaker 1: one time shot to go to Monday night foot ball
Speaker 1: and all that. But that's not what his goal was.
Speaker 1: His goal is always has been to do what went
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl win, a Super Bowl. Yes, no, hold on,
Speaker 1: if he really thought that the football team and going
Speaker 1: into twenty eighteen was a foot a Super Bowl winning team,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have worried about that shot other than the
Speaker 1: fact that woun other than the fact that if he
Speaker 1: were really really good at it, that could have been
Speaker 1: his next twenty twenty five years. Because you look at
Speaker 1: somebody like John Madden. John Madden made a career, He
Speaker 1: was a Hall of fame I mean he is a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach. He made a career out of broadcasting.
Speaker 1: So if Jason had an opportunity and the other one
Speaker 1: shot number one, right, Maddens the game is number one, right.
Speaker 1: But if he had a shot in one year to
Speaker 1: be able to jump to a top job in that profession,
Speaker 1: to see, man, am I good enough to maybe be
Speaker 1: that next John Madden? Then yeah, you gotta have to
Speaker 1: think about it. But your family you got to think.
Speaker 1: But if you're saying that that would have happened if
Speaker 1: they would have been thirteen and three and they just
Speaker 1: missed out on the play on a Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: you're saying Monday Night football, he pushed in. He pushed
Speaker 1: in at thirteen and three, He backed that quarterback, no heet,
Speaker 1: but he still would have had to factor in. This
Speaker 1: is a once in a lifetime shot. You know, you
Speaker 1: got a family. Sometimes you make decisions because you look
Speaker 1: at the long term for your family and you say, man,
Speaker 1: this really gives my family an opportunity to be set
Speaker 1: up for generations more than where I can have them
Speaker 1: right now. Like, I just think that that's a part
Speaker 1: of the place. I think the opportunity would have presented itself. Again,
Speaker 1: if I don't know about that something specific, I don't
Speaker 1: know about that, I gotta go. I gotta go check out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I gotta I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: had to go check out a three thirty today periscope.
Speaker 1: We'll dive into more of this stuff. So you might, well,
Speaker 1: they're basically done with the show. But but I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, there there are more opportunities I would have
Speaker 1: presented themselves. Yeah. Once he officially retired, and you know
Speaker 1: he realized that that was in his path fire, he
Speaker 1: got a lot of criticism. Well, he learned. I think
Speaker 1: he learned really quickly that, or at least in that year,
Speaker 1: he learned that that may not be the thing that
Speaker 1: that will give him that twenty twenty five year career
Speaker 1: beyond football. It may now now he may be solely
Speaker 1: in the boat of I'm going to be a coach,
Speaker 1: because broadcast may not be the thing that and it
Speaker 1: may not even be about his success, because I think
Speaker 1: if he'd given it more time and worked at it.
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I thought it's hard
Speaker 1: to put him in that situation, being on the top
Speaker 1: one of the most high profile shows, rather than letting
Speaker 1: him kind of work his way up. I think if
Speaker 1: you'd had another year or two to really hone his skills,
Speaker 1: I think he could have actually gotten to be pretty good.
Speaker 1: But but and again, he's not leaving a football team
Speaker 1: to go to go you know, cover per Due and
Speaker 1: in Indiana, and true, that's exactly right. That is an
Speaker 1: opportunity that will come back around. Yeah, yeah, that's I
Speaker 1: think that's pretty good. Honestly, he's not he's not polus yet.
Speaker 1: I think what really hurt him is is that we
Speaker 1: saw another guy jump right into the to the spotlight
Speaker 1: and he was phenomenal. Yeah, and it was like, oh, so,
Speaker 1: why isn't he phenomenal? And by the way, a guy
Speaker 1: that he's linked to guy. That's his boy, right, So
Speaker 1: in different personalities. You see Jason, you would not imagine
Speaker 1: him doing that kind of job and like talking like
Speaker 1: that in front of the camera. It's like some people
Speaker 1: have the personality for it. Some others is just asn't
Speaker 1: commas natural, like for Tony Romeo, who Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: been successful so far. All right, well that is all
Speaker 1: the time we have for today. Thank you guys for
Speaker 1: joining us once again. We'll be back next Wednesday at
Speaker 1: eleven a m. With another show. Hopefully Dave will join
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. He's going pretty wild out there
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. We'll find out. But thank you so
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