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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a Break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready

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Speaker 1: time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with

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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Break. It's been a while. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the song we're singing to day No, that

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Speaker 1: no idea. It's been a while since. That's it. Maybe

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Speaker 1: if I heard the real song. I'm Stained, Stained Stained?

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Speaker 1: Who's that? That's a very popular song, But I just

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Speaker 1: know that that's the name of the song, with the

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Speaker 1: name of the band the same, staying the songs. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while, Okay, Yeah, and it starts. Do you

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Speaker 1: know I know the song? I didn't know the jan

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Speaker 1: But then again, I mean, nobody he's gonna be can't

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Speaker 1: But only for certain I would assume that's only for

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Speaker 1: certain time periods. I don't know he knows Jake Hole

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Speaker 1: or something. Now, well that's not by choice, not by choice.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have a lot of things to

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Speaker 1: talk about. I know you guys had an emergency podcast

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Speaker 1: last week. Emergency. Yeah, very very unexpected. Um, although you

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Speaker 1: guys talked about Jason Witten. I'll be honest, I don't

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Speaker 1: really listen to the podcast. But we're gonna still hit

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Speaker 1: on a definition I had to write article. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people did, huh A lot of people did. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they did, they did. So sorry if we repeat some

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Speaker 1: of the things y'all already hit. But oh well, let's

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Speaker 1: just start off. Obviously, Jason Witten returned very unexpected. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone really knew that this was actually happening,

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Speaker 1: so it took us all by surprise. Now, what does

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Speaker 1: this exactly mean for the Cowboys? As far as you know,

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Speaker 1: the change in the position, it was a position of discussion,

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Speaker 1: a necessity during this offseason and for the draft. Now,

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Speaker 1: how does this turn things around? People are starting to

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Speaker 1: I think you know, there'll there's people here that disagree

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Speaker 1: with that, that you know you still got to go

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Speaker 1: and maybe draft one. I don't agree with that. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you have to draft a tight end. If

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Speaker 1: don't think that you have to go reach for one.

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Speaker 1: Here's a tight end, he's slipping. We gotta move up

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Speaker 1: don't turn your nose to it. But you have young

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Speaker 1: the only thing this does is it gives you another

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Speaker 1: He was the best option. Um. I think he's understanding

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Speaker 1: They'll be room for for Schultz and Jarwin to do

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Speaker 1: move on to the Marcus Lawrence big topic this week,

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Speaker 1: he was issued the franchise tag to twenty point five

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Speaker 1: million dollars. Sounds pretty good, but maybe not to the

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Speaker 1: Marcus because he is trying to secure his future and

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Speaker 1: you know, work into something else. Now, there's still time

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Speaker 1: to negotiate a deal, I believe until July fifteen, right,

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Speaker 1: and they can still get to that point. But as

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Speaker 1: if stant right now, what do you think it's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Here is he going to sign it? Could

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Speaker 1: he miss OTAs? Could he hold out to kind of wait,

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Speaker 1: like what's the status? And there's another factor in there

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Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday that Um, Derek and I think

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Speaker 1: are on different you know, spectrums of this about what

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Speaker 1: this means. But his his shoulder surgery that he needs.

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Speaker 1: He has torn labor and he needs UM that that

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Speaker 1: procedure done. And he sounds like he's waiting on this.

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Speaker 1: This is something I okay, let me ask you real quick.

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Speaker 1: I read the reports and this is something I don't

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Speaker 1: really understand as to why wait on the surgery, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you need it, you're gonna need it, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's I think that's the point of what

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Speaker 1: Nick's getting at, finished saying with You're saying, let's see

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Speaker 1: if it answers her question. I just it sounds like

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Speaker 1: and I and I haven't talked to DeMarcus about this

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Speaker 1: or really talked to him at all, um, except for

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Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese. But he wasn't talking about random Yeah, but uh,

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Speaker 1: he basically was saying that, you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think he's just saying I can do this at my

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Speaker 1: own time. I would like to get this thing done,

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Speaker 1: but if this thing drags out, then I'll do it

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Speaker 1: whenever I signed the deal, And then that means he

511
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Speaker 1: could miss part of the season and they're paying twenty

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Speaker 1: point five million, which is I don't know math one

513
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Speaker 1: point two one point three million per game and missing

514
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Speaker 1: four or five games because of that. So that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be real interesting to see. I think I don't think

516
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Speaker 1: there's being I don't think there's a rift yet, but

517
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Speaker 1: if the longer he holds on that, I think it

518
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Speaker 1: will be. I'm worried. I'm worried personally because I do

519
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Speaker 1: think that, and I don't know that he is or

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Speaker 1: is not using this as leverage, but I think he can.

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Speaker 1: He can, and I do believe. I know there's some

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Speaker 1: that believe it's not leverage. I do believe it's leverage

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Speaker 1: because the way I look at it is, if you're him,

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're thinking, okay, well, basically, in

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Speaker 1: a scenario where let's be honest, the CBA doesn't give

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Speaker 1: players a whole lot of leverage in the situation, really

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Speaker 1: none at all. But the one piece that he has

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Speaker 1: it times up that he has an injury. So let's

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Speaker 1: assume for a second that he says, Okay, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna have the surgery until I get a long

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Speaker 1: term deal, all right. That puts that makes a situation

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Speaker 1: where one or two things happen. Either the Cowboys get

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Speaker 1: him a deal sooner so that he can go ahead

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Speaker 1: and get the surgery so he can be ready for

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Speaker 1: the season, or they wait up until the last minute

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Speaker 1: and get a deal. Then he has to get the

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Speaker 1: surgery or play with a bump shoulder for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the year, or they kicking it gets past that deadline,

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Speaker 1: and then it has to be either you sign the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag or nothing. And he says, okay, I'll sign

541
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Speaker 1: the franchise a day. I'll get the surgery tomorrow. So basically,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me the franchise tag for a year

543
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Speaker 1: for me to sit and do nothing because I'm gonna

544
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Speaker 1: have to rehab, right And so for me, I look

545
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Speaker 1: at that and I'm like, that gives him some leverage.

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Speaker 1: Now you can grade it out and say how much

547
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Speaker 1: leverage does he have? Does that then create you know,

548
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: badwill with the organization in the deal In a situation

549
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: where he wants them to actually give him a long

550
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Speaker 1: term deal and trust him. He's the right kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: All those things are valid, But I think in a

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Speaker 1: scenario in a CBA where there's very little leverage given

553
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Speaker 1: the players, I think this does give him some and

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Speaker 1: that worries me because I look at this right now

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Speaker 1: and I'm saying, man, this defense took so many steps

556
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Speaker 1: ahead this year. I would hate to see anything happen

557
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: that takes them backwards. And having that kind of guy

558
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Speaker 1: as your primary prap pass rusher and the leader of

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00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: by the way, that defense, I just think there's a

560
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Speaker 1: lot that can go wrong. So I'm hopeful that both

561
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: these guys are just kind of they're having these conversations

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00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: and really behind the scenes it's much more amicable than that,

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Speaker 1: and that he's not thinking about this as leverage, and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are really in good faith trying to find

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Speaker 1: a great deal, and everybody wants to get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom line, and everybody's on the same page that we're

567
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Speaker 1: gonna pay you. We just need to find all we

568
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: need to fine tune this to get it to the

569
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Speaker 1: right dollar amount. If all that's happening, I love it.

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Speaker 1: It's not if it's not that bottoms though. It's not

571
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: happening because they offered him at lowball deal this week.

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Speaker 1: And I say lowball because that's how you negotiate right

573
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Speaker 1: now and you have to work. It's what you do.

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Speaker 1: But why did you start it last week? Why not

575
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Speaker 1: after the Rams game? You know you like him, you

576
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: know you need them. You know, why are we starting

577
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Speaker 1: all this then, especially when there's surgery. I think that's

578
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: the biggest issue there, right And doesn't that beg the

579
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Speaker 1: question if that continues? You don't have a deadline until July.

580
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: The problem with that is if he holds out on

581
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: the start shoulder surgery, that means it affects your season,

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Speaker 1: and then he starts getting frustrated, and then that starts

583
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: causing issues because now you're not very um, how would

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Speaker 1: you say this like, well, workable, not workable, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: negotiable in a way, like you know you start if

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Speaker 1: I'm upset week, you take it personal? Yeah you start.

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00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna go another way with that, which

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Speaker 1: let's not forget. You know what who the ringleader of

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00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: the Hot Boys exactly? And these guys it was not William,

590
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: but he's he's in there you're not the ring. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now he's a member member, but he's not the leader. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean that's the thing. You don't want

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Speaker 1: those guys frustraate. You don't want to Antoine Woods and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Rosses and all that. Then our website is frustrated

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Speaker 1: if everyone you know, I mean, so we've got a

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00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Though. It's a big deal because

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00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: because he meant so much to that locker room, and

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Speaker 1: without him, this would not be the same, even with

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Speaker 1: what happened last year, this whole hot boys thing or defense,

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Speaker 1: it would just not be the same without him. I

601
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Speaker 1: honestly think he's more valuable than just a player. He

602
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Speaker 1: is more than just a defensive Okay, that that's being said.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I hope he understands, and I

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Speaker 1: think he does. And this we're just kind of speculating

605
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Speaker 1: on stuff we don't know a lot about. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I I think that would you say that he is

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Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher your Howard Asian makes no no,

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Speaker 1: but it depends because that's all that's a classification in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, Yes, yeah, I don't think. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's a little mac but I think that there's probably

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Speaker 1: two or three guys that are above everybody else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he is an elite pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say defensive man, I just meant pass rusher

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Speaker 1: off the edge. I don't know if he is. I

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Speaker 1: think he's really really good. But the other things, the leadership,

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Speaker 1: the run stopping ability, the stuff that he does as

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Speaker 1: a player, he is. He is an valuable valuable place. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let me turn that. All I'm saying is is,

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Speaker 1: don't I'd hate for him to play that game. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm holding now. I'm have surgery later. I'm missed six

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Speaker 1: games because that changes. It might not change a lot

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Speaker 1: for this year, but it's gonna change his next contract.

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Speaker 1: So when you ask that question, is he an elite

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Speaker 1: pass rusher outside of Khalil Mack? Is there anybody better

625
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Speaker 1: than him? Well, I mean von Miller is better than him. Okay,

626
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Speaker 1: so I'm asking, I'm asking give me some names quantify

627
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Speaker 1: this for him a little bit. I wouldn't say clown.

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Speaker 1: He's better, but that's my opinion. I mean, I'm it's

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Speaker 1: Frank Clark better. You know again, they don't do everything

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Speaker 1: and again I just said pass rusher because that's what

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Speaker 1: you're paying for. But but what really, what I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to say is what makes DeMarcus Laurens one of the

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Speaker 1: five best defensive ends in the league is the total package, right,

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Speaker 1: I get the total package of I'm gonna stop the run,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna play through injury, which

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Speaker 1: he did last year. I'm gonna be the leader. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna sign my tender right when it's I'm not gonna

638
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Speaker 1: do with the guy. I'm gonna lead the right way too,

639
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: because that's the thing that's a big show. All I'm

640
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: saying is is if you start going down that road

641
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: of now I'm gonna do things kind of for me,

642
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: then the overall package of what this guy is and

643
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: what he brings to the locker room might change a

644
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: little bit, you know what I'm saying. Getting outside the

645
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: field in the locker room stuff, even just being on

646
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: the field, even if he doesn't get to the quarterback

647
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: and he's not recording those tacks, I mean, that opens

648
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: up opportunities for the other guys on the line. And

649
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: that's why you've seen so much success in this line.

650
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: I believe so, and he makes everyone there better and

651
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: one of those guys is facing a suspension and Randy

652
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Gregory on the other side. So I don't know if

653
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: that that I think that has a way of affecting

654
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: this whole negotiation as well, because he probably looks at

655
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: that as a little bit more leverage for himself as well.

656
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: I think I think tight end has changed during the

657
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: last week to defensive end of before Wittin. I'm like,

658
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: you better go get you tight end in this draft.

659
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Now it's like you don't have to go get one

660
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: um defensive end. I think it's you better go get

661
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: a defensive end in this draft. I really think you

662
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: need you need to. You can't count on Gregory at all.

663
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: You know this. You just that didn't change though, but

664
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: you should have known that last year. Okay. And that's

665
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: not about yeah, that's just where he is right now.

666
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: You can't trust the fact that it's not gonna I'm

667
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: not finished, because all I'm saying is is Taco's not reliable.

668
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: You can't count on him after two years. Durrance Armstrong

669
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: did not show you enough his first year that you're like, Wow,

670
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: what a place that guy. We're going with him. Doesn't

671
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: mean he's not going to develop, but you know, and

672
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 1: then he has potential. Yeah, yeah, I like, But I'm

673
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: just saying there's there's a spot there. And really, truth

674
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: be told, if Tacco was playing really well and Gregor

675
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: reed it wasn't facing any suspensions, and Durrance Armstrong did

676
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: look pretty good and DeMarcus Lawrence was going to be

677
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: fine and that badass defensive ends there in the third round.

678
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: For some reason, it's still kind of you still do

679
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: but not only that, but this goes back to what

680
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: you said about tight end as well. You take your

681
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: pick at the toward the back end of the second

682
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: round and use it on a defensive end pass rusher.

683
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: The chances that that guy is going to be good

684
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: enough to be better than guys that have been here

685
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: for a year or more next year it's relatively small.

686
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: So is there a position where that's not the case. No,

687
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: And that's my but that's my point, and that's that's

688
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: where I say, I don't know that you're going that

689
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: makes it to where hey, we gotta ye, Well, he's

690
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: not gonna be better than Connor Williams. Well, that was

691
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: a problem with Carna Williams. He needed a year right

692
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: to kind of get there. But there have been other

693
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: guards that we've seen that, you know, guarden safety because

694
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: of how late they draft the best one. Yeah, sometimes

695
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: you can get those guys to be a lot better

696
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: early on. But I personally believe that you're kind of

697
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: saying is the same thing as what you said about

698
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: tight end. I think you know, when you look at

699
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: defensive end because of where you're drafting, I don't think

700
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna get somebody that's gonna be consequential player next

701
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: year specifically. And if that's the case, then you look

702
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: at it and you say, they may not beat out

703
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: a Taco, they may not beat out of Doran's Armstrong

704
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: next year. Those guys may be better. Those guys may

705
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: be better at least for next year. And then you

706
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: see what happens beyond that. You know. Yeah, now you

707
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: hit on Randy Gregory and I wanted just to get

708
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: into that topic a little bit. David Irving against specially,

709
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have moved on. They they've shown

710
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: how they are, you know, their feelings towards him. Bye Bye.

711
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. On the other hand, it's a different story

712
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: we know the history with him. He's now once again suspended.

713
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: We don't know the exact time or any specific details

714
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: on that, but according to Jerry Jones, they seem to

715
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: be very supportive and backing him up a lot. Do

716
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: you guys have any issues with how the Cowboys are

717
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: kind of endle in this situation as far as you know,

718
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a nice way I put it,

719
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't think anybody really understands what

720
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: what all is happening, because you know, behind closed doors

721
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: and everything that that he's being asked to do, and

722
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: and and by the league, by the league and all

723
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: that so and then what what you know? And I

724
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: know Brian can talk about this a little bit more too,

725
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: but um, not to put you on the spot, but

726
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean being at the criminal, it's criminal what the

727
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: league is asking me to do. It really is that's

728
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: the way to jump into the show. I mean, lead

729
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: with the lead. Right For a second, I thought you

730
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: were calling him a criminal. It's criminal what the league

731
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: is asking him to do. And I'll probably get fired

732
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: for saying that, but it's true. And you know you're

733
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: not helping Randy Gregory. Randy Gregory. You're talking about the league, right,

734
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the league got you know, when him

735
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: having to fly to do this, and fly to do that,

736
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: and take ten tests to do this and do this,

737
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think Randy Gregory did his absolute best.

738
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, though, has a sickness. Okay, you're not helping

739
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: his sickness by taking him away from any type of

740
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: help he can get. His family is in that locker room,

741
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: his family is on that football field. His family is

742
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: his support staff. Is it a problem with the relapse, Yeah,

743
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: it is, but he's not alone and relapse. He's not

744
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: the only person that's ever relapsed. But what the league

745
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: has asked him to do as a player to maintain

746
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: his eligibility is criminal. Now, could this has been something

747
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: that he didn't necessarily take some drugs and failed to test,

748
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: but just maybe missed don't Well what we do know, Well,

749
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: here's what we do, right, Yeah, here's what we do.

750
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: So maybe it's not to the point where he actually

751
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: relapsing that, right, Yes, what we do know is according

752
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: to the league policy that if you don't take a

753
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: test that you're scheduled to take, it's like a test. Yeah,

754
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: So although we may not know the exact circumstance for

755
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: him in this situation, we know that that is a possibility. Yes,

756
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: so so yes, all those things are possibilities. Here When

757
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: you say he is in trouble with the league again,

758
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: he could have not taken a single drug at this

759
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: point and it could have been something like I'm not

760
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: saying one way or the other, but I'm just saying

761
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: that is definitely a possible, which is maybe why Jason Garrett,

762
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, they're not white much. Yeah, it's

763
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: not black and white on this. Absolutely, you have to

764
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: control what you can control as a team. And like

765
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I just said that now going into the draft, and

766
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I know that you're you're not you know, you're a

767
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: fifty eight, But that's my number one priority now is

768
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: defensive end. I'm not saying you have to go at

769
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: fifty eight, but my number one priority would be getting

770
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: a defensive vent. And it's not just because of Gregory,

771
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: It's because Taco hasn't done anything. I Dawrence. Please read

772
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: our report we wrote about him yesterday. Taco. Yeah we

773
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: wrote about Tacco, right, Yeah, yeah, read about all that.

774
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I mean, he's that's the one

775
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: guy that has been drafted that you kind of go, geez,

776
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: what happened there? You know, and there's still time. There's

777
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: still time. I mean, he started off I thought pretty

778
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: well in training camp, get the Giants game week two,

779
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: gets a sack, You're kind of like, oh, he's part

780
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: of the rotation. We go yeah, And then he misses

781
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: five games because of a short older injury which he

782
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: had fixed. You know. Now that's the big unknown that

783
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you know. And Nick's not wrong there. I would argue

784
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: with him too, double dip this thing. Go defensive tackle,

785
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: go defensive end. You know, if you saw what happened

786
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: to this team in December in Indianapolis, in Los Angeles,

787
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: you guys were all there. I was sitting in a

788
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: beautiful studio here at the Star, But that you saw

789
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: what happened, you got beat up a little bit up front.

790
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, the human log was playing with a hurt

791
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, he was hurt, and he got his shoulder

792
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: fixed and all that, but you need more help there.

793
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Him Collins, those guys they didn't have enough depth at

794
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: that position. They got away with it all year because

795
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: you had Layton vander Esh and you had Jalen Smith

796
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: playing inside. That helped them kind of to control the

797
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: run a little bit, and then with a box player occasionally.

798
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: But they've got to get better. Nick's not wrong in there.

799
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: If it's defensive end, if it's defensive tackle, I have

800
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: absolutely no problem. Rod Marinelli and them spend a lot

801
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: of time at the combine with these guys. But what's

802
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Marinelli gonna do? Oh, you know, I'm gonna coach the orphans.

803
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: I kind of like the young guys here, kind of

804
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: like you know, I love Rod Maryelly, but gosh, Rob,

805
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: stand on the table and bang out for these guys

806
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: to fight and get defensive line help for yourself. You're

807
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: a great coach. Go out there and get yourself some help,

808
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: make make make Kellen Moore uncomfortable having to argue for

809
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: offensive players. That's that's your job right now. And you

810
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: know better than anybody else. And I'll let Amber take

811
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: this to break before your answer. But this draft seems

812
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: like it's so heavy on defensive tackle. There are gonna

813
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: be guys available to us in the second and third

814
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: round that are quality. Absolutely, And again, the Cowboys spent

815
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of time you know, I know they spent

816
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: an hour with this Zach Allen, who's a defensive end

817
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: from Boston College, kind of a clone of Taller, clone

818
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: of of a Tyrone Crawford. Guy could play the end,

819
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: can play tackle. You know, we watched him, We covered

820
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl and played good as Actually

821
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: it's a three technique, so looking for a guy with

822
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: a little flexibility there. Now, Brian Browns was able to

823
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: attend the comeline like every year and be there watching

824
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: like a creeper. But of serving all these players, he's

825
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna tell it's not rolling out during this comby after

826
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Speaker 1: the draft, I mean after the break. That's one of

827
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Speaker 1: those things. While the player could look good on paper,

828
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Speaker 1: it's one he's out on the field that you really

829
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,239
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830
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,319
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831
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Speaker 1: round pick. Well after that intro for Brian Broddess, I

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Speaker 1: hope the report you got for us is good. What

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Speaker 1: do you want to know? Tell me about some of

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Speaker 1: the guys that stood out obviously according uh that would

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Speaker 1: be fitting for are the Cowboys and impossible prospect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think what I think what you have to do

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Speaker 1: is you have to look at the you have to

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Speaker 1: look at where you're at in the draft. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you don't have a first round pick. Now again, Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 1: we've seen, you know him, kind of do some magical things.

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Speaker 1: What he might give up, you know, his fifty eight

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Speaker 1: and his next year's one and trying to get back

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Speaker 1: in the back end of this thing. But I think

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Speaker 1: you're looking at guys in this draft like a Jalen Ferguson,

907
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Speaker 1: you know from Louisiana, tech a DeAndre Walker from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: If you're talking about defensive ends, maybe the LJ. Callier

909
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Speaker 1: from TCU. Those are the kinds of guys you're looking at.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson I mentioned Zach Allen. You know, these are

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Speaker 1: guys that are all defensive ends that could potentially slide

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Speaker 1: to you at fifty eight, all really good players. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to have a crack though. I think at

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Speaker 1: a guy's like Montes Sweat. If we all know Montes

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Speaker 1: Sweat Mississippi State, He's two hundred and sixty pounds ran

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Speaker 1: you know four four one or four four two. It

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Speaker 1: was incredible. But they there's probably there's probably six seven

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Speaker 1: first round defensive ends in this draft. It'd be kind

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Speaker 1: of a nice draft to have a first round pick

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for one of those top guys. But

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Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are looking, there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: second round guy with legitimate grades there that they're going

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Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to grab. And I mentioned those

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Speaker 1: guys again, call your and ferguson Walker, those types of guys.

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Speaker 1: Alan was another one. Like every year we always end

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Speaker 1: up coming up with two names that we're excited for,

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Speaker 1: like hoping that the Cowboys grab. Could you give us

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Speaker 1: two of the names that you're excited for right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: all the guys that I mentioned, I think would be

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Speaker 1: would come in and you start thinking about, okay, well

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Speaker 1: how would they compete? Would they immediately be part of

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Speaker 1: the rotation? I think any one of those guys that

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, like I said DeAndre Walker, I really liked him.

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Speaker 1: He's more of a kind of he's a stand up

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Speaker 1: plays like a stand up linebacker at Georgia, but you'll

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Speaker 1: see him put his hand down and rush the pass.

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Speaker 1: He plays the run well. He can extend on people.

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Speaker 1: Ferguson is a guy that's you know, six four, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds. He could also you know, he's

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Speaker 1: got linked to him. He's kind of like the guy

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Speaker 1: that Rod Marinois would like. I'm you know, I mentioned

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Speaker 1: also that Zach Allen that he could play that you

943
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Speaker 1: could play the defensive inSpot probably play left defensive end

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Speaker 1: really well for you and then kick inside and play

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Speaker 1: some of the three technique or the undertackle. Any one

946
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Speaker 1: of those guys would be it would be you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're trying to find guys that could come in

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Speaker 1: and rotate. You could maybe find a potential starter out

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Speaker 1: of that. I think guys like a guy like Ferguson

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Speaker 1: call your walker. I think those are your potential starters.

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Speaker 1: With Alan, you know, uh kind of led better, another

952
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Speaker 1: guy from Georgia being like the backup type guys. If

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Speaker 1: you're looking for rotational players, right, who's the I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: flip it to the offensive side of the ball, even

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Speaker 1: though I know defensive line is important, but number four

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Speaker 1: for Georgia Harman, Yeah, Hardeman, Yeah, where's he? Where's he

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Speaker 1: getting drafted? Well, you know, he's a guy that people

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Speaker 1: have kind of talked about. There's Colt Beasley and I know, um,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about Cole Beasley's. You had a tweet the

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Speaker 1: other day, I believe Aday Cole Beasley. Cole Beasley was

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Speaker 1: talking about that that he had these like like that

962
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Speaker 1: slot receivers growing trees. Don't growing trees or growing trees

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Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, you know you're looking to talk

964
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Speaker 1: about they're kind of growing. They're growing. It's kind of

965
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Speaker 1: like it's you're kind of looking up at the tree

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Speaker 1: and go, wow, Okay, I'll take the kid from South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that kid from Clemson. Hey, by the way,

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Speaker 1: where's that kid from Georgia. Where's he fit? You know?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of where I think when you

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Speaker 1: talk about guys like Samuel from South Carolina. You know,

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Speaker 1: Hardman is from Georgia. He's a guy that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an undersized guy, so he'll he'll be very

973
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Speaker 1: familiar with how he looks style. Cole Beasley, this guy's

974
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Speaker 1: a legitimate track guy. He's a four three guy. You

975
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Speaker 1: watch him play, he can actually make plays down the field. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's my question. How many of these guys that you're

977
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Speaker 1: seeing us as is another guy that ran really well?

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00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: Andy a Spell from UMass University of Massachusetts ran really well,

979
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Speaker 1: really well at the come four three one was his time.

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00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: He was he was tied for the fastest time at

981
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Speaker 1: the combine. Uh, you know with with my guy from

982
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Paris Campbell. Yeah, when you start looking at

983
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: these guys, how many of these guys? And I even

984
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Speaker 1: think about this in free agency because if it's the way,

985
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Speaker 1: if it's my decision and I'm going with a veteran guy,

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Speaker 1: I would look at a guy like Golden Tape before

987
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Speaker 1: Basic mainly because he can play inside and outside. How

988
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Speaker 1: many of those guys coming out of college that you

989
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Speaker 1: look at a slot guys can also play outside? Because

990
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Speaker 1: to me, that's the kind of guy. I think. The

991
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Speaker 1: best guy that would be with Deebo Samuel from from

992
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. The name yes, and he's and and you

993
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: watch him play and he clearly can make plays inside

994
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Speaker 1: and out. I mean, I'll tell you guy, your guy,

995
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Speaker 1: little Jordan Humphrey can be again. Let me tell you this, though,

996
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Speaker 1: where do big tight ends play? Where the big tight

997
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Speaker 1: ends or those athletic tight ends, where do they usually

998
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Speaker 1: line him up in tight like off the ball or

999
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Speaker 1: in the slot? Yeah? Does he run any slower than

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Speaker 1: one of these? Does he run slower? I mean he's

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Speaker 1: a four he's a four seven five guy, Okay, but

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Speaker 1: if you're four seven, yeah, he's He does play fascinating,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You watch his tape. Is he

1004
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Speaker 1: any worse off than what? When than lining jar went

1005
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Speaker 1: up outside or line line? He swam up outside Noah

1006
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Speaker 1: Brown Exactly. If you're gonna put a big guy in

1007
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Speaker 1: the slot, give me a big guy that can knows

1008
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Speaker 1: how to how to how to separate, how to catch

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Speaker 1: the football, how to play past the sticks, how to

1010
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Speaker 1: play vertical. Yeah, he's not your traditional Oh I could

1011
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: eat peanuts off the top of his head. Guy. This

1012
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Speaker 1: is a taller man. This is what you know. This

1013
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Speaker 1: is where you want it. This is where you want

1014
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Speaker 1: to sit there and look at you know, you know,

1015
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: don't don't get fooled. This is where we get in trouble.

1016
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Speaker 1: We fall in love with the measurables. We fall in

1017
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Speaker 1: love with he can't do this, he can't do this,

1018
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Speaker 1: He can't you know, always two slow tous. If you

1019
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Speaker 1: watch Humphrey play and you watch every single Texas game

1020
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Speaker 1: and you live and die on plays, he makes you

1021
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: live and he makes a ton of him. So I

1022
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Speaker 1: think that if you know, there's it's not always the

1023
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Speaker 1: small little guy that plays inside, even though that's what

1024
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Speaker 1: we've grown accustomed to, kind of have an idea of

1025
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Speaker 1: where bigger players we've seen. It's a problem. Well, frankly, frankly,

1026
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Speaker 1: he was the best. He was actually the most consistent

1027
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Speaker 1: playmaker they had on the team last year. Yeah, Colin

1028
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Speaker 1: Johnson was good, but he I love College. He wasn't

1029
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Speaker 1: as consistent as eld Yeah, I love Colin Johnson. I

1030
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Speaker 1: think one of the issues Beasley he actually benefited from

1031
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Speaker 1: over you know, his career here is the fact that

1032
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Speaker 1: Dez Bryant did not play in the slot. Because if

1033
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Speaker 1: Dez was really playing like and he got taken out

1034
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Speaker 1: of games at times, if Dez was really a complete,

1035
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Speaker 1: complete tight end like the Julio Jones and all those guys,

1036
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Speaker 1: he lined them up all over the place. What I say,

1037
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Speaker 1: you said, tight end? I'm sorry, deep wide receiver. He

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Speaker 1: would like, like they're gonna do with him Mark Cooper,

1039
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Speaker 1: you know, line him up, but when what when you

1040
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Speaker 1: do line up a guy in the slot, and then

1041
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Speaker 1: where does Beasley go off the field? Or he's not

1042
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Speaker 1: going to go to the outside. And that's why whoever

1043
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: you put in that spot and needs to be got

1044
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Speaker 1: inside or out so you have the flex. He'll never

1045
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Speaker 1: say there's your golden Taide argument, right right. I think

1046
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Speaker 1: he'll never admit it, but I think he benefited from

1047
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Speaker 1: the fact that Dez was kind of limited and where

1048
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Speaker 1: he could play. So therefore he got to play on

1049
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: the slot a lot more because you got to get

1050
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Speaker 1: Cooper where you know, the best matchup, but you don't

1051
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: want to take that guy off the field. So yeah, yep, absolutely, Again,

1052
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Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of guys in this in this draft.

1053
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mentioned Andy Isabella. You know, Penny Hart

1054
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Speaker 1: didn't go to the combine, but he's you know West,

1055
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Speaker 1: he's a Georgia state and you know you watch you

1056
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Speaker 1: watch him play. I mean, the guy makes a ton

1057
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: of plays. So don't feel like that you can't. And

1058
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: I again, I gave you little bit of guys and

1059
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: I gave you a really big guy. You know you

1060
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: could find slot players. The fact that they're even tinkering

1061
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: with putting Cooper inside tells you all you need to

1062
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: know that they feel like, okay, they well, we'll do

1063
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: whatever we have to do to make sure we work outside.

1064
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: You got Jason Witten now too to catch underneath stuff. Yeah,

1065
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's your hope. Yeah that helps. Yep. Well,

1066
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: after you're mentioning Cole Beastley and you brought up one

1067
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: of the tweets. Some of the things he tweeted was

1068
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: basically asking or saying to one of the fans, twenty

1069
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: million guaranteed. And after hearing that and kind of seeing

1070
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are starting to transition into as far

1071
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: as the wide receiver position, is it fair to say

1072
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: that they have definitely moved on. No, well, no, not yet.

1073
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: Twenty million is what he's saying. That doesn't mean somebody

1074
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: out there is willing to pay him twenty million guaranteed.

1075
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: So it may all come back to the come back

1076
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: to a point where the Cowboys are like, Okay, this

1077
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: number we can do. We can't do, Tony, but this

1078
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: is a number one. He's a mercenary he's going to

1079
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: go where over the highest money? Right if it's the Jets.

1080
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, I heard a couple of teams, the Jets

1081
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: where a team I heard was mentioned as far as

1082
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: the destination for him. But you got to think about

1083
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: how I think he can find He can definitely find

1084
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: a team that will take him. Yeah, no, but how

1085
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: much is in You think there's a team out there's

1086
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: gonna pay him twenty million guarants. We thought about Tarret's

1087
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: william see it happened here. We thought Tarret's Williams is

1088
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna get paid. He really didn't get right, He really didn't.

1089
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean time you think, oh, that guy's gonna get paid,

1090
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: he might come with a hat and hand deal. I

1091
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: think the cold Beast is looking at twenty million dollars.

1092
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: I think he's looking for a nine to ten million

1093
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus and then okay, make my salary one

1094
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: million dollars, and then okay, in the second year and

1095
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: make it eight million dollars more. You know, I think

1096
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: that's what he's trying to do. I don't think he's

1097
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: trying to say, okay, give it to me all up. Well,

1098
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: he wants it all up front in the form of

1099
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: a signing bonus, he'll take less base to make this work.

1100
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: That's where somebody's gonna have to be creative. But that's

1101
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: my problem with it is if you're saying twenty million guaranteed.

1102
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: I look at Cole Beasily, if I'm somebody outside of

1103
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: this organization and I say, I don't really know what

1104
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm getting. Do I want to guarantee him even if

1105
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: we put it kind of mix it up like that

1106
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: over a couple of years. Do I want to guarantee

1107
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: this guy twenty million because I really don't know what

1108
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm getting. This is gonna sound terrible. I would guarantee

1109
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas twenty million dollars before I guarantee no doubt

1110
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: about it in the wild Cards to all, this is

1111
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: what the offense is going to look like, you know

1112
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: what what? And I think it factored in Jason Witten

1113
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: coming back. I think that you know, they see what

1114
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: they what they think Kellen Moore is going to do

1115
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: and how he's going to be able to factor in here.

1116
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: But but would you say, I'm going to go off

1117
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: topic a little bit with Beasley still, but do you

1118
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: think he's a Dallas cowboy right now, Like it doesn't

1119
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: matter where he goes after this, like he will always

1120
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: be a Dallas Cowboy, or does he have still enough

1121
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: years that he could finish. It depends on what he does,

1122
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: because if he goes somewhere and just has one blow

1123
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: up year, he's no longer just a Dallas cowboy, right.

1124
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: I just think some of these players, and Beasley's a

1125
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: good example, a fan favorite type of guy. And this

1126
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: isn't really my idea was brought to me yesterday, and

1127
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. These guys do need

1128
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: to realize that, Yeah, there may be a little bit

1129
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: more money over here right now, but in the course

1130
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: of twenty years, thirty years, Dallas. I mean, look at

1131
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: some of these guys that are still doing stuff, still

1132
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: getting paid to do different things because they are Dallas Cowboys.

1133
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't just end when you're you're doing

1134
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: our pre postgame, right And so I'm just saying, I mean,

1135
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. There's a lot of opportunities that's

1136
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: true of being a Dallas a lifetime for a long term,

1137
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: long term. Yeah, And that's why I asked, is he's

1138
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: still he's been here? You know a few year. I

1139
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: think he's a mercenary myself. Yeah, he's going for the money.

1140
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's people will still remind you three kids,

1141
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah they're old babies, basically. Yeah, there were people that

1142
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: remind you that he quit on you though, no people

1143
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: remind you that he quit. You know that he had

1144
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: to be asked to come back, you know, and there's

1145
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: people that still haven't forgotten that, you know, he just

1146
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: he quit on the team. One of the guys that

1147
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: was really upset by that. I also wouldn't quit on

1148
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: the team too. Yeah, that he I mean, I hate

1149
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: to say it, but he did. He was a little

1150
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: different though, I think. I mean, you had this conversation. Yeah,

1151
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different, just because but

1152
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: they were they weren't sitting at they weren't sitting at

1153
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: training camp, and then all of a sudden he was like,

1154
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm going home. Like that's different. True, but wait until

1155
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: the draft. I mean, you know, okay, okay. But he

1156
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: also said in his in his little press conference or

1157
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: with a little statement, this team is really good and

1158
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: it has a chance to do something, and I want

1159
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. He wasn't thinking that

1160
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: but back then he wasn't well, I love Jason, that

1161
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: was saying, right, you're right, that's a part of it.

1162
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: But I think no, no, no, no, I think that's

1163
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: actually and I said the same thing last week. If

1164
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: you remember when we have the show, I said the

1165
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: same thing. I do believe though that I think, you know,

1166
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: at least part of this he still wants to At

1167
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: the time, he probably looked at that and said, this

1168
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: is a once in a lifetime opportunity to be able

1169
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: to go and call games on ESPN like it is.

1170
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: That's that is not a situation. If I pass it

1171
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: up now, I'll get back to it next year. Like so,

1172
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those situations where he

1173
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: probably said those things are all factors, absolutely right. But

1174
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: I think part of it also was I got this

1175
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: one time shot, man, I really just want to see

1176
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: I didn't see if this is something that maybe maybe

1177
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: and make the money. Maybe she saw it through, because

1178
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: I understand with what you're saying about this is a

1179
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: one time shot to go to Monday night foot ball

1180
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: and all that. But that's not what his goal was.

1181
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: His goal is always has been to do what went

1182
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl win, a Super Bowl. Yes, no, hold on,

1183
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: if he really thought that the football team and going

1184
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: into twenty eighteen was a foot a Super Bowl winning team,

1185
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have worried about that shot other than the

1186
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: fact that woun other than the fact that if he

1187
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: were really really good at it, that could have been

1188
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: his next twenty twenty five years. Because you look at

1189
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: somebody like John Madden. John Madden made a career, He

1190
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: was a Hall of fame I mean he is a

1191
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach. He made a career out of broadcasting.

1192
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: So if Jason had an opportunity and the other one

1193
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: shot number one, right, Maddens the game is number one, right.

1194
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: But if he had a shot in one year to

1195
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: be able to jump to a top job in that profession,

1196
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: to see, man, am I good enough to maybe be

1197
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: that next John Madden? Then yeah, you gotta have to

1198
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: think about it. But your family you got to think.

1199
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: But if you're saying that that would have happened if

1200
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: they would have been thirteen and three and they just

1201
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: missed out on the play on a Super Bowl and

1202
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: you're saying Monday Night football, he pushed in. He pushed

1203
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: in at thirteen and three, He backed that quarterback, no heet,

1204
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: but he still would have had to factor in. This

1205
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: is a once in a lifetime shot. You know, you

1206
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: got a family. Sometimes you make decisions because you look

1207
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: at the long term for your family and you say, man,

1208
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: this really gives my family an opportunity to be set

1209
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: up for generations more than where I can have them

1210
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: right now. Like, I just think that that's a part

1211
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: of the place. I think the opportunity would have presented itself. Again,

1212
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: if I don't know about that something specific, I don't

1213
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: know about that, I gotta go. I gotta go check out. Yeah,

1214
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I gotta I'm sorry, I

1215
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: had to go check out a three thirty today periscope.

1216
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: We'll dive into more of this stuff. So you might, well,

1217
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: they're basically done with the show. But but I was

1218
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna say, there there are more opportunities I would have

1219
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: presented themselves. Yeah. Once he officially retired, and you know

1220
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: he realized that that was in his path fire, he

1221
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: got a lot of criticism. Well, he learned. I think

1222
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: he learned really quickly that, or at least in that year,

1223
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: he learned that that may not be the thing that

1224
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: that will give him that twenty twenty five year career

1225
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: beyond football. It may now now he may be solely

1226
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: in the boat of I'm going to be a coach,

1227
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: because broadcast may not be the thing that and it

1228
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: may not even be about his success, because I think

1229
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: if he'd given it more time and worked at it.

1230
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I thought it's hard

1231
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: to put him in that situation, being on the top

1232
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 1: one of the most high profile shows, rather than letting

1233
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: him kind of work his way up. I think if

1234
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: you'd had another year or two to really hone his skills,

1235
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: I think he could have actually gotten to be pretty good.

1236
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: But but and again, he's not leaving a football team

1237
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: to go to go you know, cover per Due and

1238
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: in Indiana, and true, that's exactly right. That is an

1239
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: opportunity that will come back around. Yeah, yeah, that's I

1240
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: think that's pretty good. Honestly, he's not he's not polus yet.

1241
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: I think what really hurt him is is that we

1242
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: saw another guy jump right into the to the spotlight

1243
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: and he was phenomenal. Yeah, and it was like, oh, so,

1244
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: why isn't he phenomenal? And by the way, a guy

1245
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: that he's linked to guy. That's his boy, right, So

1246
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: in different personalities. You see Jason, you would not imagine

1247
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: him doing that kind of job and like talking like

1248
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: that in front of the camera. It's like some people

1249
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: have the personality for it. Some others is just asn't

1250
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: commas natural, like for Tony Romeo, who Yeah, it has

1251
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: been successful so far. All right, well that is all

1252
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: the time we have for today. Thank you guys for

1253
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: joining us once again. We'll be back next Wednesday at

1254
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: eleven a m. With another show. Hopefully Dave will join

1255
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. He's going pretty wild out there

1256
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. We'll find out. But thank you so

1257
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: much for Nicki, min, Derek Eagleton, and Bergarcia. This has

1258
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: been the break on Das Cowboys dot Com. This has

1259
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the

1260
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How bout it out there,