Speaker 1: My guest today is tofor Grace, the actor who charmed
Speaker 1: the world as Eric Foreman in the beloved sitcom that
Speaker 1: seventies show. Tofor is absolutely someone who has had a
Speaker 1: non traditional path to success. He was scouted by the
Speaker 1: producers of that seventies show, who had seen his high
Speaker 1: school theater work Tofa then dropped out of school to
Speaker 1: star in the show without any prior TV experience, bet
Speaker 1: on himself and put it all on the line and
Speaker 1: it paid off. But tofor so much more than Eric Foreman.
Speaker 1: And that is what we're talking about today. Let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Hi, yay, I'm excited you too. I am.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited because I don't know you, and I
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about you until today, but I
Speaker 1: like you, like we know you. We're big fans in
Speaker 1: the Grays household. We know from the way. We don't
Speaker 1: even know you from Housewives, we know you from Maybe
Speaker 1: we're big Shark Tank fans. And then got on the
Speaker 1: podcast and what you're a truth teller. I am that.
Speaker 1: I am a truth teller. If you like Shark Tank.
Speaker 1: There's a new show coming out that I'm doing Kevin
Speaker 1: O'Leary called Money court and you'll love it. It's very
Speaker 1: effectively like binding mediation for businesses that are in conflict
Speaker 1: so they don't have to go through the legal process.
Speaker 1: We just go and we actually, like, we actually deliberate
Speaker 1: for a while, and it's intense, like real businesses up
Speaker 1: to like a hundred and something million dollars. But it's
Speaker 1: pressure and it's cool, you'll like because we love the profit.
Speaker 1: We love anything that makes is my wife and I
Speaker 1: because we have an hour when the kids go to bed.
Speaker 1: It's like anything that makes us feel she's an actress too,
Speaker 1: and it's like makes us feel like we know business
Speaker 1: in any capacity or we did anything like we were
Speaker 1: never a part of any of that stuff. So it
Speaker 1: makes us feel like we're Oh, I like it. Like this,
Speaker 1: it's deeper, it's deeper and shark tank like no fluff,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all meat. No, no, like you know,
Speaker 1: no fluff. Um, So your wife and you haven't married
Speaker 1: for how long? Oh? What are you doing to me here?
Speaker 1: Hang on, I'm looking at my wedding ring. It says, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: And did you meet in the business through acting? No,
Speaker 1: we met at a charity event and uh, that sounds
Speaker 1: better than it. She was actually involved with charity and
Speaker 1: I was. I was involved in more of a bullshit way,
Speaker 1: and she was really involved with charity and then uh,
Speaker 1: and that's how. But she was dating someone at the time,
Speaker 1: so they kind of waited out. Oh you waited it out?
Speaker 1: And what what is it like two actors in a relationship,
Speaker 1: Like how does everybody shine? And are you both tortured actors?
Speaker 1: Like well, as we know all the actors that get
Speaker 1: together always goes great. Um, so yeah, no problems. No,
Speaker 1: she actually she wasn't. Uh she's a very good actor,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't as uh passionate about it as I am.
Speaker 1: And it was like a job for her. And she
Speaker 1: actually but fully quit once we got together and is
Speaker 1: now getting her masters and social work and he is
Speaker 1: literally working internship as a social worker. She's a much
Speaker 1: better person than I. And uh that's good because with
Speaker 1: kids together, they should have at least one good role model.
Speaker 1: You need one, You need one. Okay, I got it,
Speaker 1: because there's all yeah, there's one peacock in the house,
Speaker 1: and who is the peacock? It's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I've heard that someone. I think it was
Speaker 1: Mike Nichols said he was like eating with one of
Speaker 1: these famous couples that we all know that is like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's two stars and it doesn't work. And
Speaker 1: he said he looked up at him and he said,
Speaker 1: I forget what the couple was. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: some couple in the eighties or something. But he said,
Speaker 1: all Rose, no Gardner, which is the Great's that's so true.
Speaker 1: So who's in your house? But I actually think you'd
Speaker 1: think it would be me because I'm on television and stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's actually my wife. She's doing such uh incredible
Speaker 1: world and it's actually interesting in my age to watch
Speaker 1: some one have a transition and do something that's, you know,
Speaker 1: probably better for the world than what I'm doing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well I'm fifty one and it's became a TikToker,
Speaker 1: So what kind of that's a real amazing No. No, look,
Speaker 1: look here's what I do believe. I thought about it
Speaker 1: a lot because sometimes I feel bad she's like really
Speaker 1: working with uh underprivileged children and I'm not. There's like
Speaker 1: a gap in between we do. But I do think,
Speaker 1: after thinking about it for a long time, that you
Speaker 1: should do what you're calling is like she feels passion
Speaker 1: about what she's doing because that's her calling. And I
Speaker 1: don't think it's right to go against what you're calling it.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, I mean, we love this show
Speaker 1: that I'm on right now, because actually I like it
Speaker 1: less when there's celebrity interviews because you're just like, you know,
Speaker 1: un just truth telling. Yeah, it's great. Well, that's funny
Speaker 1: that you say that, because when you're around someone who's
Speaker 1: doing so much, it does make you look at yourself.
Speaker 1: And um, I've been at all levels of philant to
Speaker 1: be like me deep in it, trying back and forth
Speaker 1: from Parto Rico or the Bahamas, and then I've been
Speaker 1: in like just sort of delegating and telling everybody what
Speaker 1: to do, which makes me feel not great. And my
Speaker 1: fiance will say, like, it's okay that President Coca Cole
Speaker 1: is not putting the syrup in the bottle, but because
Speaker 1: and he's donated a lot of money to my charity,
Speaker 1: and he's a very generous person, and he's worked with
Speaker 1: Emily's List and done different causes. But I think that
Speaker 1: seeing me when I'm me deep in something makes him
Speaker 1: feel slightly uncomfortable because it becomes so I'm so obsessed
Speaker 1: with it and I'm so immersed in it, and it
Speaker 1: makes other people feel a certain kind of way. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, even my wife has uh Okay, sometimes she'll
Speaker 1: be doing it on a real um micro level, and
Speaker 1: sometimes she's doing it you know, she's on a lot
Speaker 1: of boards and stuff too, which is more of a
Speaker 1: macro level. And even she, you know, he has questions
Speaker 1: about when what's helping more. Actually, when I'm involved in
Speaker 1: a you know, in a national sense, or when I'm
Speaker 1: involved like when I'm literally boots on the ground doing
Speaker 1: it myself, it's confusing. I think the only wrong answer
Speaker 1: is only doing things for yourself. Off. I think as
Speaker 1: long as you're trying to help others in some way,
Speaker 1: there's no wrong answer. You're so right, and you're right
Speaker 1: because it's more about our own insecurity that makes us
Speaker 1: want to be boots on the ground when I'm way
Speaker 1: more valuable when I'm telling twenty everyone what to do
Speaker 1: in organizing and I'm raising money, but you don't feel
Speaker 1: the same. It's that's a great Really, people who hate
Speaker 1: charity are the people who are like get bugged by it,
Speaker 1: or it's like alcoholics when you're not having a drink,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like when they're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: Like never realized kind of like, oh, you have to
Speaker 1: be such a you know, an angel all the time.
Speaker 1: But I think, um, yeah, as long as you're helping
Speaker 1: in something, there's a lot of different ways it's gonna
Speaker 1: get exactly. So why why did you not like your
Speaker 1: name Chris Christopher? Why did you not like there is?
Speaker 1: There are a lot of Christ's in my class. My
Speaker 1: mom was a Patricia trapped in a pat People kept
Speaker 1: calling her Patch you want to be Patricia and I
Speaker 1: I don't think she thought that people would abbreviate to Chris,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous because it's such a long name. But
Speaker 1: when I went to boarding school, I was toying around
Speaker 1: with because you kind of reinvent yourself. I went to
Speaker 1: boarding school in eighth grade and uh it was in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: school called Faith School, and the cutest girl in our
Speaker 1: class I kind of was in a group with her
Speaker 1: and we're talking during orientation. I said I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: going to toefor and she said, well that's cute, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you got it, yeah, and you so
Speaker 1: you went with tofur and I also feel like it's
Speaker 1: a better name for an actor, Like it's the only
Speaker 1: people think I did it for Hollywood reason. I actually
Speaker 1: probably should have changed it back because it's such a
Speaker 1: stupid affectation. But but it was the nineties and like
Speaker 1: you remember Zenes and Za, everyone's going with the second
Speaker 1: half of these names, you know, And so whatever, what
Speaker 1: does your wife call you? She is the only person
Speaker 1: in my life that calls me Christopher. Really, yeah, my
Speaker 1: parents call me CJ because my little name is John
Speaker 1: and uh, and most people don't even call me toefor
Speaker 1: they like the cast calls me tofe. The seventy show
Speaker 1: called me toe for some reason, that became my nickname.
Speaker 1: But it's rare that I'm even called tofur. But even
Speaker 1: my my my daughter when she says it, you know,
Speaker 1: because she calls me daddy. But once in a while
Speaker 1: should hear an adult call me that? Tofur? What a
Speaker 1: lame name? So that seventies show popped you off you
Speaker 1: were you left college, which I think is interesting because
Speaker 1: I think the college conversation is a conversation, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't a big conversation in my family, and I even
Speaker 1: to this day have regrets even though it was such
Speaker 1: a success. Yeah, just because you know, I was having
Speaker 1: such a great time getting a liberal arts education. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know what I wanted to do,
Speaker 1: but I was really enjoying. And it is a trade off.
Speaker 1: It's basically like going into like instead of like liberal
Speaker 1: artists a wide. I hadn't even picked where I was going,
Speaker 1: and then then you go into like you know, if
Speaker 1: you want to be a blacksmith, like you're just studying
Speaker 1: with trade. Yeah. The funny thing about liberal arts did
Speaker 1: you feel like you were learning in college or youre
Speaker 1: just having a great time? No, I was. Actually I
Speaker 1: was such a nerd that I was actually learning. Uh
Speaker 1: where I was at USC, I should have been having
Speaker 1: more fun. But I was really in the film and
Speaker 1: I didn't know how I wanted to enter. And I
Speaker 1: got rejected from the film school there a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and I did get to go back. The first thing
Speaker 1: I did was traffic and I got to go back
Speaker 1: and speak with Steven Soderberg. And it was the kids
Speaker 1: in my class. It was that there were girls who
Speaker 1: remember there was a girl that I walked up to
Speaker 1: a college who I said, um, actually two different stories.
Speaker 1: There's one girl I walked up to right when I
Speaker 1: got to I've been such a loser in high school,
Speaker 1: and I thought I'll be like, I'll be like a
Speaker 1: winner here, like I don't know why I thought that,
Speaker 1: and like that people would just you know, treat me differently.
Speaker 1: But I went up to a girl who was probably
Speaker 1: like the hottest girl in this campus of you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thousand or forty thousand kids, and I said, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we should go out sometime, and she said like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, honey, sit down. And she sat me down
Speaker 1: in this cafeteria and she goes, you're a freshman right,
Speaker 1: like kind of like like I can, and I said yeah,
Speaker 1: and she said, um, I'm a senior girl, so like, um,
Speaker 1: freshman girls are dating senior guys. I'm dating a dentist.
Speaker 1: So wherever you are too, that girl it wants a
Speaker 1: big shout out to you. Uh. And then the second
Speaker 1: thing was there was a girl in that when I
Speaker 1: went back to speak with Stephen, there was a girl
Speaker 1: who I literally I just asked out and she like
Speaker 1: laughed and said no, like like she thought I was
Speaker 1: kidding at first. And then she was in the audience
Speaker 1: like waving to me. It was just great. Why would
Speaker 1: this new fame not have gotten you girls? That doesn't
Speaker 1: seems like I was rejected before before that happened. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say wow, But she was in the
Speaker 1: like she was in the class and I would have
Speaker 1: been a senior and she was a senior. And now
Speaker 1: she's waving like we get five minutes. I was like, sorry,
Speaker 1: I got a bounce, by the way, that's yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1: You're not too mature for that, for sure. You no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: And if there was anyone would be me, and no,
Speaker 1: it's the I remember. I had a really weird experience,
Speaker 1: which is I had been in a high school play
Speaker 1: and then at this boarding school I was at. And
Speaker 1: then when I went to USC since I was in
Speaker 1: l A, the parents of this girl who had seen
Speaker 1: me on like a parent's weekend during this play, they
Speaker 1: called me and said, do you want to mean My
Speaker 1: first audition was for a seventy show. That's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I was an under I got cast as an understudy
Speaker 1: ninth grade and as Maria and west Side story. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. It's not that interesting a story. That's
Speaker 1: why I've never told it. But and I didn't take
Speaker 1: it because when I auditioned, I was better singing than
Speaker 1: the girl who's a senior. But they were giving the
Speaker 1: role to the senior because it was a senior, and
Speaker 1: I it's one of my regrets in life that I,
Speaker 1: who the hell did I think I was? That I
Speaker 1: should be a freshman getting the role, and then to
Speaker 1: not what a store loser to not take the understudy role?
Speaker 1: What an as well? At least it's not still an
Speaker 1: issue for you. I can tell you. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: holding on to would my life have been if I
Speaker 1: got the if I got to play Maria and West
Speaker 1: Side Story, it all could have been very different tof
Speaker 1: tofe Um. So, so are you pro college because you
Speaker 1: were really going to use it for an education or
Speaker 1: do you not like that you don't have a college degree?
Speaker 1: And what about the money for college? Like what about
Speaker 1: college versus non college? Because I am really mixed on it.
Speaker 1: I hear you will tell me your point of view.
Speaker 1: My point of view is I wanted to work. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did all my classes Wednesdays at Boston
Speaker 1: University so I could leave and get back to New
Speaker 1: York City, and I just was a person who wanted
Speaker 1: to work. I paid no attention. I wanted to get by.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the grades and get out like
Speaker 1: I was there to get through. It was I was
Speaker 1: very similar. That's why I didn't have My dad had
Speaker 1: more misgivings about me leaving college than I did, although
Speaker 1: I did understand his point of view that it's kind
Speaker 1: of only open to you at that point in time
Speaker 1: in your life. And now that I'm older, I go, oh,
Speaker 1: I I would enjoy, uh, just the education part of it,
Speaker 1: not even the grades part of it, just sitting back
Speaker 1: taking these classes that are so wildly different because I
Speaker 1: was undecided. I was taking like Zen Buddhism, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess American writing, and like astrology not astronomy.
Speaker 1: Not astrology, so astronomy. I don't know if they had
Speaker 1: a class astrology, but I was just trying, like lots
Speaker 1: of different things, and I, uh, you become so focused
Speaker 1: on what you're doing once you leave, and it's, you know,
Speaker 1: the last time your parents, if you're in my position,
Speaker 1: it was the last time my parents were gonna you know,
Speaker 1: someone else was gonna take care of me and allow
Speaker 1: me to kind of experiment and try different things. And
Speaker 1: it's harder later in life to say I want to.
Speaker 1: But youth has wasted on the young. And I was
Speaker 1: the kid who didn't even think about what the syllabus,
Speaker 1: that just wanted to get out. And I think I
Speaker 1: wish that I could go back. I could. I think
Speaker 1: there are places in Europe where they they you like
Speaker 1: go into the workforce at twenty and then at twenty
Speaker 1: six or something you go back, And that's how you
Speaker 1: to do it. Because I wasn't at the time. I
Speaker 1: didn't really want to sit in there. Now. I'd go
Speaker 1: back now if I had the time, and I would, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I would like not even care about the grades.
Speaker 1: I just pay the money and sit back and listen
Speaker 1: to the lectures and actually ingested instead of like taking
Speaker 1: notes trying to pass the thing. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: exactly right. That's how that's the way you just said
Speaker 1: that if we could sort of teach our kids that
Speaker 1: way and convey that message. And I'm going to start
Speaker 1: messaging that with my daughter about take things you're interested
Speaker 1: in and just utilize it as a time to absorb
Speaker 1: different information. And I think if you went back to school,
Speaker 1: you might be financially successful the Grindstone and you really
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Well, I would like to
Speaker 1: take a Meditate TM class. I have to transcendental meditation.
Speaker 1: I actually would do stuff that isn't even related to
Speaker 1: the industry. Yeah, yeah, okay, So seventies show is obviously
Speaker 1: embedded in your history. Is that for sure? What you're do?
Speaker 1: You have street credit in a different way for Traffic
Speaker 1: or for Spider Minute, Like, you have a very unique,
Speaker 1: interesting trajectory that I don't know how much of that
Speaker 1: is just like luck and and grabbing something good or
Speaker 1: you turning a lot of things down, like explain your
Speaker 1: road of the first of all, Yes, when most people
Speaker 1: seem to know me from seven show. Uh, syndication is
Speaker 1: such a even around that show. We were on it
Speaker 1: for four years, it was doing fine, and then once
Speaker 1: it syndicates, it's on, you know, thirty times a week.
Speaker 1: It just, yeah, it embeds itself from the culture. But
Speaker 1: but because of that, I was really conscious to do
Speaker 1: actually you know what, It wasn't like a career thing.
Speaker 1: I just personally didn't want to keep doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: And remember when I got this role in Traffic, my
Speaker 1: mom being like, why are you like, why are you
Speaker 1: doing this to me? Like she was so happy to
Speaker 1: see me on seven show and then I was playing
Speaker 1: like a like a junkie, and just for me, it
Speaker 1: has kept it alive over the years. Do it like
Speaker 1: Black Landsman, which I did right before we started Home Economics.
Speaker 1: This is you know, two very very different and it
Speaker 1: keeps it really exciting. Uh for me, I mean, I've
Speaker 1: been out in a career for oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many years, I mean over twenty. But
Speaker 1: you curate this. This is not happen since you're saying
Speaker 1: I want that, because that's different than that, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't really say I want that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the truth is sure. I mean everyone wants the Leading
Speaker 1: and Academy award, right, But it's more like you, you
Speaker 1: know you you say I'm not. I think it's more
Speaker 1: what you say you're not gonna do, like I was
Speaker 1: not going to play. I would say the role I
Speaker 1: play on Home Economics is very similar to the one
Speaker 1: I've done seventy show, but I didn't play that for
Speaker 1: like fifteen years. And for me that was really great.
Speaker 1: I'm sure for my agents they were like, hey man,
Speaker 1: let's start playing that role where you know they like
Speaker 1: because the people who make money in Hollywood are the
Speaker 1: ones that do the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 1: Well that's funny because Matthew McConaughey talks about his story.
Speaker 1: He was, by the way, I was an interstellar with him,
Speaker 1: uh And I mean he was the lead and I
Speaker 1: had a small part. But we had a couple of
Speaker 1: days where at that house together, And that is the
Speaker 1: perfect example I'm you're talking about where he turned down
Speaker 1: Magnan p I. He turned out every Oh no, that's
Speaker 1: funny that you're saying that too. No. His book green Lights,
Speaker 1: which is a great read. Everyone says that's great. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very easy read and it's just fun and he's great,
Speaker 1: but he talks about he was sick of being the
Speaker 1: shirtless romcom guy and he kept getting offered and offered
Speaker 1: and offered. He said to his wife, we're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: but like, we have to hang tight, and she was
Speaker 1: super supportive, and it got up to like eight, ten,
Speaker 1: thirteen million, and then scripts started sounding good to him,
Speaker 1: but he held it down. And then I heard it
Speaker 1: was because this is the Magnan p I was the
Speaker 1: big one. Right before Dallas Buyer's Club, I think, And
Speaker 1: he was telling me this whole stuff is before I mean,
Speaker 1: when he was telling this story, True Detective was coming
Speaker 1: out and Dallas Buyers Public just and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this guy's career is just taking this total
Speaker 1: shift that I would not have guessed. And when he
Speaker 1: was telling it to me, he was like, I hope,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's all stuff. It's in the book. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it was a ridiculous number because you kind
Speaker 1: of go like, who better to play Magna p I. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the film didn't get made, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was like, really Matthew McConaughey with him Stash does
Speaker 1: that or not? And it was not even that it
Speaker 1: was going to be a flop. It's that it wasn't
Speaker 1: like probably look on a much smaller level, It's what
Speaker 1: I was talking about, where you go. I'm sure people
Speaker 1: want me to play this role all the time, but
Speaker 1: I only want to do it when I want to
Speaker 1: do it. The only way to not burn out is
Speaker 1: to do so many different things that he turned. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it would probably be like a payday of
Speaker 1: thirty million, including like the twenty million, you get paid,
Speaker 1: and then he just participation or whatever. So like, and
Speaker 1: I heard these people at his agency were like, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, Matthew, like this is the last one, but
Speaker 1: we we gotta do this one because yeah, but I
Speaker 1: but your point. I mean the takeaway is it's it's
Speaker 1: not that easy in the moment to turn things down.
Speaker 1: But you have to be playing chess and trying and
Speaker 1: you may not make the right decision. But I'm not
Speaker 1: that smart. It's really not that's it's just like you
Speaker 1: you would just get sick of I'm sure in business
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. You just get sick of doing
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over in and you want
Speaker 1: to be challenged. And it's not even really that much
Speaker 1: about perception. For me, it's just about like when you
Speaker 1: go to work, are you doing the same thing. I
Speaker 1: mean when I was when I got on Home Economics,
Speaker 1: I made sure it was and I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time with the writers before I signed on. I
Speaker 1: really wanted to make sure it was the thing that
Speaker 1: I wanted to do for eight ten years, because that's
Speaker 1: what it turns out to be. Wow, well, you know,
Speaker 1: so I I do think that. So for example, walking
Speaker 1: away from Housewives. When I did the second time, I
Speaker 1: was making a lot of money for four months work
Speaker 1: like millions and also probably the relevance, right, like, that's
Speaker 1: not the way. Well, no, this is an example to
Speaker 1: but you weren't talking about this. This is more to
Speaker 1: I guess Matthew McConaughey's example walking away from them. My
Speaker 1: business managers were like, Bethany, even just one more season,
Speaker 1: like it's millions. I was like, I want to do
Speaker 1: something greater, and I need to sort of take this
Speaker 1: off the board and start from scratch in a way,
Speaker 1: which is how this podcast came to be what it is.
Speaker 1: And then multiple podcasts and it's it's and it's a
Speaker 1: lucrative podcast. And I started for the first you didn't
Speaker 1: make any money. I actually paid for it because the
Speaker 1: bed is mad. You know. Yeah, it's a real believe
Speaker 1: in yourself moment. That's what it is. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: not really the money, because you would have been fine,
Speaker 1: Matthew would have been fine, Yes, it's more. Is there
Speaker 1: more in there? And I mean, congrats to you because
Speaker 1: you've really done it, like you're I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not into that Housewise franchise. Is there
Speaker 1: anyone else that has really made it out of that thing?
Speaker 1: Not the same way? No, and I don't say that. No,
Speaker 1: I and I was, It's just the true. Yeah, No, No,
Speaker 1: I did everything first. I was the first really celebrity
Speaker 1: Becauide didn't ever markt a cocktail. Now you see it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: I was the first one to turn a brand and
Speaker 1: oh my god, everyone has a cocktail? Did that make
Speaker 1: you mad? Like? Like literally everyone I know? And I'm
Speaker 1: going back in, but I feel like I'm the only
Speaker 1: person people can't say she has a cocktail because I
Speaker 1: was the one who started the whole trend, literally because
Speaker 1: Forbes cover. But anyway, back to you, just you going
Speaker 1: with your gut. It's been you just saying right after
Speaker 1: that seventy show, I just don't want to do that
Speaker 1: role again, not saying I don't want to be typecast
Speaker 1: and that. So you just made good choices based on
Speaker 1: your gut, is what I'm here. Look, I've made bad
Speaker 1: choices too, But but I will tell you you can
Speaker 1: only learn if you're trying. You know, I I sounded
Speaker 1: old when I talked about this stuff. I sound like
Speaker 1: one of those motivational speakers or something. But the truth
Speaker 1: is like, um, you can't learn if you're doing the
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. And you have to
Speaker 1: always be I mean it's whether it's college or not,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, you do have to always be learning.
Speaker 1: And ah, you know, I've played bad guys. I played
Speaker 1: good guys. I've been in like really small films. I've
Speaker 1: been big blockbusters. Like I feel like I know so
Speaker 1: much about the industry that, um, some people who may
Speaker 1: be more successfulan you've done the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over again. I don't know, because I've been able to,
Speaker 1: you know, go to all the different corners of it. Amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, a good career and that's not easy to
Speaker 1: not have to really have had a fair, fairly steady career.
Speaker 1: And what about money, So like, well, look, I prefaced
Speaker 1: the whole thing by saying, I'm so lucky that seveny
Speaker 1: show worked because that gave me the ability to try
Speaker 1: all this stuff there you can't uh, And I totally
Speaker 1: respect working actress. And I've thought about you know that
Speaker 1: when that money manager runs away with all my money,
Speaker 1: you go, okay, like you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: But I was very lucky that hit and for so
Speaker 1: long for me, something has to have an r O.
Speaker 1: I either it's philanthropic or it's hilarious, or it's like
Speaker 1: the Money Court Show, which is just gonna be me
Speaker 1: learning or it's money like meaning Someonemist say to me,
Speaker 1: you gotta go do this, you gotta do this panel
Speaker 1: and this person did it before you and Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 1: was on and I'm like, am I getting paid now?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to do it, Like if
Speaker 1: I'm getting paid, I might go. Or is it interesting
Speaker 1: or is it like I have a reason for the things?
Speaker 1: So I wonder does anything really motivate you? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there something you really don't want to do that
Speaker 1: you're doing because of money. No, it's probably something that
Speaker 1: you would do that you're like, only I don't not
Speaker 1: want to do it, but I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it if I'm not being like you know, there's some
Speaker 1: things that it's like speak on a panel and fly
Speaker 1: across the country and I don't necessarily want to do that.
Speaker 1: I could do this on here, I could give tips
Speaker 1: on a podcast, or I like talking to my own detriment.
Speaker 1: Not done that as much as I should. But uh,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't feel guilty about having money.
Speaker 1: I think I would if I if I you know,
Speaker 1: it's a different life. You're talking. You're a business person,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like you're crushing it.
Speaker 1: I think I really wanted an artist life, and I've
Speaker 1: been able to have one in a really um business
Speaker 1: part of the town. Like I'm not doing church basement theater,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really a lot of people to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I've spent a lot more time thinking about
Speaker 1: what fills me up personally. And I'm just lucky that
Speaker 1: whatever my thing is goes with making enough money that
Speaker 1: I don't have to not do the things that I got.
Speaker 1: This show I'm on now, you know when I started
Speaker 1: just a pilot. We're entering season three. But um, I
Speaker 1: just like it spoke to me. I liked it. I
Speaker 1: really they want to be a part of it to
Speaker 1: help cast the other people, and I have a huge,
Speaker 1: huge respect for the four other people. It's kind of
Speaker 1: there's no start of the show. It's kind of the
Speaker 1: five of us, and they're just amazing actors, and so
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean, don't tell anyone, but I
Speaker 1: would do it for Fris. That's how I feel about
Speaker 1: this podcast. That's how I felt about Money Court and
Speaker 1: why I did it for different You'll do different things
Speaker 1: for different reasons, and I like that because I'm exactly
Speaker 1: the same. I'll do something for really nothing if I'm
Speaker 1: I got a question for you for what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Cuban was on our show last year, which was just
Speaker 1: great because I got to spend three days. We were
Speaker 1: like in a POCRA scene. I got done three days
Speaker 1: talking to him, and he's fascinating guy, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's legit. What he is is what he is, Like
Speaker 1: I was waiting to see if there was some other
Speaker 1: side of him, um, and I tried to ask. I
Speaker 1: think I got an answer. But you would be able
Speaker 1: to shed more light on this because I think it
Speaker 1: has to do with why you're doing this podcast too.
Speaker 1: Is ultimately look and you're not like, you know, not
Speaker 1: going to take the money from it, but ultimately isn't like,
Speaker 1: isn't it ended because it's like your base to people.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this exactly, like like
Speaker 1: Mark Huban, just do I mean, I know he's never ready, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he does not need to do Shark Tanker. He's
Speaker 1: doing it as almost like a charity to America to
Speaker 1: show future entrepreneurs, kind of some of them who likes
Speaker 1: a little of the action too. It's but it's a combo,
Speaker 1: like it's okay to like a little of the sizzle
Speaker 1: of the action, a little of the relevance, you know.
Speaker 1: I know other I'm friends with the owners of the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. No one knows who they are, you know,
Speaker 1: the person, but you know he likes a little of
Speaker 1: the sizzle, and he's playing with the house's money, so
Speaker 1: it's fine. He's interested in the entrepreneurs. He never doesn't
Speaker 1: text me back immediately or called back. I emailed him
Speaker 1: after the episode aired. He gave me. First of all,
Speaker 1: you gave me his email in front of everyone, and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey man, I mean there were like
Speaker 1: extras in the scene and stuff. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, give me act you and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Anyone can email me. He's very yes,
Speaker 1: I mean like incredible, And then I emailed him like
Speaker 1: in the car somewhere, just saying hey man, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you had a chance to check out the
Speaker 1: episode but you're great in it. And I've never had
Speaker 1: a faster It was like he's done it. Came back
Speaker 1: in and you go, what is this guy doing with
Speaker 1: his time? And he's he's up in the morning early
Speaker 1: and he reads everything, but only assholes like you know,
Speaker 1: don't respond only you know he's a teaching You respond
Speaker 1: very quickly too. I am a responder. You can tell
Speaker 1: you text me, you practice it. I'm a responder. I'm
Speaker 1: afraid because because the rationale is because why do it
Speaker 1: in five minutes? Which you can do now? And all
Speaker 1: successful people are like this right, just get it off,
Speaker 1: get it off, get it out, forward it CC, somebody, BCC, somebody,
Speaker 1: get clean up, check the box. But he's doing that.
Speaker 1: He invested in some company that someone emailed and ten
Speaker 1: years ago that he'd never met. He just forward the
Speaker 1: email that was a lawyer and said, yeah, pay the
Speaker 1: quarter million dollars or whatever they're asking for. I never
Speaker 1: heard from again, and then just got sent to forty
Speaker 1: million dollar check last week. That's insane because the company
Speaker 1: went public and he didn't. He's like, what, like he
Speaker 1: forgot he Oh my god, that's like anyone can email
Speaker 1: me any time. I was like, that's a crazy story.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you are asking, like what the reason is
Speaker 1: for doing things based on the fact that he's doing that,
Speaker 1: And it's the same as what you're saying. I have
Speaker 1: to be doing what I can. There's nothing I can
Speaker 1: do for money. If I had gone back to house plugs,
Speaker 1: it would have been only for money, and I would
Speaker 1: have been miserable. You marry for money, you pay the
Speaker 1: rest of your life. I wish I was more like that.
Speaker 1: I value my time so much, I value my rest
Speaker 1: I value my peace of mind, I value my home body. Noess,
Speaker 1: I only can do well, that's funny. Actually, no, that's
Speaker 1: what just happened. In the last six months. I decided
Speaker 1: I'm only doing exactly what I love and want to do.
Speaker 1: And it's harder than you think, even with plans, even
Speaker 1: with trips and the kids. I'm only doing what I
Speaker 1: want to do. Well, You've you've earned it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know a good busincision or that's just for you.
Speaker 1: I'm just want to be happy and there's enough. I
Speaker 1: have enough good ideas and enough things that are lucrative
Speaker 1: that I could pour myself into them and they can
Speaker 1: be successful. And I just I remember that Joan Rivers
Speaker 1: documentary about the calendar being full, and some people really
Speaker 1: do that's their identity, and that's not me at all.
Speaker 1: I want my calendar empty. You know, it's fine. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking lately because promoting the show, the launching of
Speaker 1: the show, while making it is it's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in five different episodes, there's like
Speaker 1: the writing of one. I'm not part of the writing,
Speaker 1: but I'm like looking at what they're doing, and there's
Speaker 1: the editing, and then you're the one you're filming, and
Speaker 1: then to be promoting the premiere, which we shot a
Speaker 1: while ago. Um, and I realized, I think, I don't
Speaker 1: know what happens when you fully burn out, because it's
Speaker 1: never happened to me. But the closer you come to
Speaker 1: burning out, the better you are, in my opinion, because
Speaker 1: you find this like your mind is like so attuned
Speaker 1: to what the thing is, so a part of you
Speaker 1: is dying, but like you're actually the results are better,
Speaker 1: you know. Interesting, Well, I mind that all my good
Speaker 1: ideas come between sleep and wake. That's so I have
Speaker 1: a little pad next my bed. Okay, you're waking up,
Speaker 1: but you're still so sort of you know, or like
Speaker 1: you're getting a massage and falling asleep and you have
Speaker 1: an idea and like that. And also when you really relax,
Speaker 1: like if I go out to the Hamptons and I'm
Speaker 1: Jello for a while, the good ideas come because your
Speaker 1: brain is resting. It's like your body digesting twenty foods
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving is why it gets tired. If it's just
Speaker 1: calmly like digesting one thing, the machine can work better.
Speaker 1: So if you're relaxed, you know, you can digest more
Speaker 1: information in my opinion, and get more massages. I will, okay, good,
Speaker 1: more massages. So um, what's your recognize? Like you can
Speaker 1: you have a normal life? You want a vacation of
Speaker 1: people not bother you, like on a one to tend
Speaker 1: like tend being Gaga or like j Lo where they
Speaker 1: cannot have a normal life. Like what level of normal
Speaker 1: life as a celebrity can you have? Oh, I have
Speaker 1: the perfect level of fame. I love it, which is
Speaker 1: to say not a lot, Like I have enough that
Speaker 1: I work. I'm probably the least famous celebrity alive, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But like I think, I love what
Speaker 1: I do and we we get bothered a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's starting to bug me because my kids are they
Speaker 1: don't know yet that I'm that I what I do
Speaker 1: for a living. We've kind of not featured it, um,
Speaker 1: so that'll bug me when that happens. But I love it.
Speaker 1: It's such a wonderful normal life and I get to
Speaker 1: do this thing at a really high level at work.
Speaker 1: And like you, yeah, because in your Google thing it
Speaker 1: said like one of the most recognizable faces and whatever,
Speaker 1: and I would think that you have you've been at
Speaker 1: your a less actor, there's no question, Like I was
Speaker 1: so excited when you were doing this, but I was
Speaker 1: thinking he has a good No, there are other less
Speaker 1: actors that like have some sort of a life where
Speaker 1: it's not so crazy. And I was wondering, like, if
Speaker 1: you went to a mall, be honest, in Ohio, would
Speaker 1: it get gnarly or now? Oh, I mean yeah, if
Speaker 1: I strolled around them all singing the theme song the
Speaker 1: seventy show thing, But like you know, there's ways to look.
Speaker 1: I it's it's by design. Like there was a time
Speaker 1: when it was a little crazier and a big part
Speaker 1: of it was me and my wife and she happens
Speaker 1: to share a lot of the same values I do.
Speaker 1: I was listening to that that episode you were talking
Speaker 1: about um j Lo and then and why would they
Speaker 1: go on a and I that I actually, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've met Ben Affleck. He's fantastic guy. And uh uh,
Speaker 1: I guess the thing between me and j Lo was
Speaker 1: just like a couple of months, like it was just
Speaker 1: a little romantic trist But I the truth is, I mean,
Speaker 1: no one wants to talk about how much they like fame,
Speaker 1: but everyone does. And man, it has an addictive drug
Speaker 1: like quality. And that's the thing I think you were
Speaker 1: leaving out of that conversation, is like, because I always
Speaker 1: have that thing about other actors where I'm like, why
Speaker 1: are they like if they want to not be seen, Like,
Speaker 1: why are they having lunch at the front thing in
Speaker 1: the ivy? And That's what I'm saying. And I don't
Speaker 1: think but I don't think everybody likes it. I think
Speaker 1: you might not like it if no one recognized you,
Speaker 1: because it might be an indication that you aren't relevant
Speaker 1: as an actor. But I don't think you give a
Speaker 1: ship if someone recognizes you in then the moment. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. I get. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think I think you just have The only person
Speaker 1: who can tell is you. Like my wife doesn't even know,
Speaker 1: Like what is your I mean, it's very personal, like
Speaker 1: being in a relationship with someone who has a problem
Speaker 1: with alcohol or or drugs or whatever. It's the same
Speaker 1: kind of addictive thing. And all I can say for
Speaker 1: me is that I don't not like it. You know,
Speaker 1: like everyone should try fame and see you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Who they are? Yeah, you know some people don't.
Speaker 1: I what do you think? No? No, No, nobody doesn't.
Speaker 1: First of all, no one's companm is who doesn't at
Speaker 1: least have a question or thought about Yes, um, you
Speaker 1: know I in Traffic, that movie which is all about
Speaker 1: drug use, and I wanted doing a search for it.
Speaker 1: And the first film I did, there was a scene
Speaker 1: that was cut out where I'm talking to Michael Douglas
Speaker 1: about how remember I don't know if you remember that movie,
Speaker 1: but I get I get the girl like hooked On.
Speaker 1: Isn't Katherine Stones the mother in it? She's the She's
Speaker 1: Amy Irving is the mother of the girl that I
Speaker 1: get hooked pregnant. There's lots of different plots it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I get this girl hooked on it, and he kind
Speaker 1: of Michael Douglas takes me into the hood to kind
Speaker 1: of help find her. And in doing that, there was
Speaker 1: a scene that cut out, but I really liked it
Speaker 1: where I talked about how I can do drugs and
Speaker 1: it's okay, like you know what I mean, like and
Speaker 1: this girl gets lost doing them. And I think fame
Speaker 1: is a little bit like that where some people, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. I did a bunch of that drug
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and I you know, and I
Speaker 1: survived and it didn't really and I'm look, I met
Speaker 1: my wife and she's kind of pulled me in this direction,
Speaker 1: and and uh, I like survived it. But I know
Speaker 1: many people who I mean, who are alive. But I
Speaker 1: love this. I've never talked about this or heard anyone
Speaker 1: talk about it that way, And no one wants to
Speaker 1: talk about it because they're more guilty, you know. The
Speaker 1: more guilty they are of the of the doing the drug,
Speaker 1: the less they want to kind of talk about it.
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying by the way this, I
Speaker 1: talked about this with food or money. That's why I
Speaker 1: asked you have money. You don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: money noise. I can tell people have money noise, whether
Speaker 1: they have a lot or a little. You don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of money noise. And you're talking. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a guy. I pay a guy to handle my
Speaker 1: money noise exactly, But you still would have it. If
Speaker 1: you buy something expensive, you get noisy, or if you
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you have a good
Speaker 1: relationship with fame, which is like people having a good
Speaker 1: relationship with exercise or food, like you. That's why I
Speaker 1: asked the question to you. I don't ask questions to
Speaker 1: people like I asked you because I get the vibe
Speaker 1: that you probably have a good relationship with fame. And
Speaker 1: when you say exercise, your food or these are all
Speaker 1: things that like on first Bluss you could say, yeah,
Speaker 1: people exercise, people do, but people have big issues with food.
Speaker 1: You know, people have issues, big issues with cocaine. I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think all you can do is kind of
Speaker 1: get real with yourself as to how much you like,
Speaker 1: what are your actual not what does it seem like
Speaker 1: to everyone else? Because that's what fame is. It's all
Speaker 1: like other people's perceptions of you. But what to sorry
Speaker 1: if I'm getting to know I like it just to
Speaker 1: you what is your real And the truth is I
Speaker 1: do like it a little bit, but not a lot.
Speaker 1: That's funny, like I would like, you know, it's another
Speaker 1: world where I wish that I was sort of that
Speaker 1: poise person that just sat back and doesn't really say
Speaker 1: a lot all the time until I'm saying something. But
Speaker 1: you can't. You know, that's that's really crazy that you
Speaker 1: say that, because I because your gift is to it's
Speaker 1: so funny what you're saying. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: so um I found in this town are like sad
Speaker 1: about the thing that is their gift, you know. They're
Speaker 1: like they're so good at playing like a like a
Speaker 1: you know, like a character or something, let's say, and
Speaker 1: they're like, man, why do I always have to play dumb?
Speaker 1: I was even victim. I don't want to play this
Speaker 1: kind of you know what I played on some and
Speaker 1: you go. But it's also it's your way of shining,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's your thing. Like I said,
Speaker 1: the reason we like listening to you is because you're
Speaker 1: so did that, you know, and it's scary. It's scary,
Speaker 1: but but I appreciate that yeah, it's and you don't
Speaker 1: always want to be the big mouth in the group.
Speaker 1: I'm the person. No, no, no, no no, it's what's
Speaker 1: good about you don't fight your thing and getting older
Speaker 1: as you go. Oh this is what I am. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what agency are you at. Well I
Speaker 1: was at I c M but I am now. It's
Speaker 1: okay because Kevin Huvane is the person I always give
Speaker 1: the Kevin Huvane is the person who said to me
Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel, but those listening thing he represented, he represents
Speaker 1: er and everybody in the world. Yeah, he's the biggest
Speaker 1: age in the world from from time and let's just say,
Speaker 1: a great guy, the best, the best. He's got to
Speaker 1: come on. So he said to me, I think you
Speaker 1: could be one of the greatest messengers in the world.
Speaker 1: Use your voice. And every time I tell him, I say,
Speaker 1: it's to make shocking because he's like my conciliary. He
Speaker 1: never gets frustrated. So if Kevin Eubains that's why I'm
Speaker 1: on is because I wanted to have a honest conversation
Speaker 1: with you and we just did, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you know what many not honest conversation. That's the
Speaker 1: whole name of the doing. Well, We're not done because
Speaker 1: I still have I okay, I'm sorry, but yeah, let
Speaker 1: me wait until we're done. We're not done because I
Speaker 1: need a little more, just because I'm not because we
Speaker 1: could be done at the time. I just want to
Speaker 1: hear a couple more things to me, I really do.
Speaker 1: So I want to know, Um, you just you got
Speaker 1: a role and you were the least experienced person getting
Speaker 1: on the seventies Show, and it seems like you haven't
Speaker 1: had have you had that real feel of like the
Speaker 1: lows and the highs of being an actor, Like you're
Speaker 1: not saying you're everything, You're you're you know, it seems
Speaker 1: like you've had a normal career, like meaning stability and
Speaker 1: an acting career. Is that true or that's I'm just
Speaker 1: saying the highlight. I'm very lucky and I'm lucky that
Speaker 1: seventies show one that I got it and it was
Speaker 1: my first audition. I didn't have to deal with all
Speaker 1: that rejection. And I almost that I feel guilty about
Speaker 1: more than the money, is like the fact that I,
Speaker 1: you know, I know all these actors were so hard
Speaker 1: and they're so talented, but there's so many great things
Speaker 1: about uh doing a you know, yeah, it's like we're
Speaker 1: talking about, it's like a boot camp or a graduate
Speaker 1: school or whatever you want. You know, you do it
Speaker 1: for so long. I did it for seven years, and
Speaker 1: you know, people won't remember this, but the show was
Speaker 1: not doing well and was not good when it started,
Speaker 1: especially because it was starting. I mean, Ashton never acted,
Speaker 1: Laura had never acted, Wilma barely knew English. I mean
Speaker 1: it was you know, they had a little experience, like
Speaker 1: they had been modeling or something. But like, uh, we
Speaker 1: all learned it by being bad on a week, We'd
Speaker 1: all take turns as being the worst person in the episode,
Speaker 1: and then the next week, that Monday, you start back
Speaker 1: up again. Plus there's also like a live audience, so
Speaker 1: you have this like direct standing whether what you're doing
Speaker 1: is funny. I remember at the beginning doing jokes and
Speaker 1: the audience wouldn't laugh. And there's nothing louder than four
Speaker 1: people sitting in silence when you just told a joke,
Speaker 1: and you learn how to make people laugh, and so
Speaker 1: and then and there's the repetition of it, and then
Speaker 1: you have the summers off and you can do movies
Speaker 1: in the summers and then you come back to a
Speaker 1: home base. It is like whenever I hear an actor
Speaker 1: say I wish I could get off this sitcom, I
Speaker 1: go like, this is you're You're wrong, You've kind of
Speaker 1: mastered it. It It was like a wonderful and so I
Speaker 1: think that allowed us to kind of go a lot
Speaker 1: of people that cast have met with a lot of
Speaker 1: success afterwards. It's because we kind of were trying things
Speaker 1: in the summer and by the time we were finished,
Speaker 1: I finished at the age that Chandler like started friends,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we got finish early too. Wow,
Speaker 1: were you are you friends with a lot of people
Speaker 1: that you've worked with, or are you like friends with civilians?
Speaker 1: You and your wife like, what's your soul? What's your data? Civilians?
Speaker 1: Now that we have kids and all that stuff. But
Speaker 1: we did you know, they just did a that nineties
Speaker 1: show reboot. Um that's on Netflix. I don't know, want
Speaker 1: to like later this year or something. But I went
Speaker 1: to do just one episode because I can only do
Speaker 1: one because of home economics. But uh, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: We went back and it was that I imagine having
Speaker 1: that great a experience on that show and then you
Speaker 1: come back and someone's recreated the sets exactly, and Ashton
Speaker 1: was there, and Meil was there, and Laura and the
Speaker 1: people pay my parents, and and then we went and
Speaker 1: did it in front of a live audience. They have
Speaker 1: a whole new group of kids who are fantastic, and
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, it was like going
Speaker 1: to a high school union and then you go back
Speaker 1: to school and yeah, that's amazing. If this is narcissistic,
Speaker 1: but I'm okay with it. Uh. If ever I could
Speaker 1: have someone to play like a portion of my life
Speaker 1: in a movie, it would be Mila. I mean me too.
Speaker 1: I mean just because she's just I just because she's
Speaker 1: got dark hair and she I mean, she is so
Speaker 1: cool in real life, Like I know, everyone wants to like,
Speaker 1: what's that person really like? Uh. It was very weird
Speaker 1: because the word in no way romantic when we did
Speaker 1: the show, and then even now, I mean like she
Speaker 1: was sitting on his lap. They were watching a scene
Speaker 1: I was doing, and I was like, it was too weird.
Speaker 1: Together married obviously, but to see them on that said,
Speaker 1: like laughing together and holding him, that's funny. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Full circle, I think. Yeah, I know I saw them.
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. This is again, this is my craft
Speaker 1: as a content creator now who didn't know how to
Speaker 1: do social media. A year ago, I was doing a
Speaker 1: stupid TikTok with Paul, my fiance, and Santa Barbara had
Speaker 1: a cafe there and it was like recreating a scene
Speaker 1: from from Bridesmaids where she's like, I don't think people evolved,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I think they do. And we were
Speaker 1: in it. We were in our own scene and Ashton
Speaker 1: and Milow were there and they had just done stuff
Speaker 1: for Ukraine and I had just done stuff for Ukraine,
Speaker 1: and I imagine if I say hi, they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're that girlfriend the bat thing, and for some reason
Speaker 1: I didn't say hi, and I was annoyed after say Hi, there,
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed because I still haven't go in. So
Speaker 1: that just shows how much I don't care. But now
Speaker 1: I care. I'm like, wait, when you talk to them,
Speaker 1: just tell them Beth that he should us at high in.
Speaker 1: Santa bar definitely make a point of that I was
Speaker 1: in a scene just say I was simidly they're legitimately
Speaker 1: and the fact that imagine if like two year great
Speaker 1: friends from high school later met up and got together.
Speaker 1: But I was filming a scene, so I was also
Speaker 1: they know not to interrupt people during this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was shooting a scene from from TikTok and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a I'm a mis interactor, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let that, you know, distract me, so I
Speaker 1: was in the focus. Um okay, So last question, well, now,
Speaker 1: what's your relationship to social media and short form content?
Speaker 1: I am blowing it. I'm so bad mother. I try
Speaker 1: to post once or twice a week a picture. I'm
Speaker 1: just from that generation that didn't have to do it,
Speaker 1: and now I don't really feel like I have to
Speaker 1: do it, and I should do what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: which is have a The who plays my younger brother,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Tetro on Home Economics, he's um, he comes from
Speaker 1: that world. He was like a YouTube content creator and
Speaker 1: got so big that day cast him in Life Jump
Speaker 1: Street and that's how he got into the acting scene.
Speaker 1: The point before about saying we were talking to do
Speaker 1: what you love, I need a vehicle, so when I
Speaker 1: would do this for free because I need a place
Speaker 1: like and that's what social media has become for me
Speaker 1: in the last year, which I didn't realize because Instagram
Speaker 1: is because it's a place to emode and just say
Speaker 1: what you here. I want to say what I think.
Speaker 1: I don't have a platform in this podcast. I could
Speaker 1: do it on these days, but I'm not just always
Speaker 1: like throwing it up and just talking into the camera,
Speaker 1: so that becomes immediate. You're finding all these different places.
Speaker 1: It's almost like social media is is my reality show
Speaker 1: now in a way. Rosenthorne, what's your Rosenthorne of your career?
Speaker 1: Rose and thorn Um, Well, I mean I'm very centered
Speaker 1: on I'm very focused on my personal life, so like
Speaker 1: you mean, just in my career like you no, not
Speaker 1: because I want to have my baby. Like this crazy
Speaker 1: ship happened on this day and it really made me
Speaker 1: feel like it doesn't have to be the right answer,
Speaker 1: like the ship, the worst and the best, my best
Speaker 1: or your best moment or your best thing you got
Speaker 1: on the I was on the cover of Forbes magazine
Speaker 1: maybe or I left the show like, well, I wasn't
Speaker 1: on the cover of Forbes, but whatever it is, let
Speaker 1: me see. Uh oh, that's such a good question. What
Speaker 1: was the best day of my career. Wow, I think, um,
Speaker 1: it's probably not something people know, but there was a
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I don't know. I did a movie called
Speaker 1: war Machine with Brad Pitt, who had who had met
Speaker 1: a couple of we were I was in those Oceans
Speaker 1: Leven movies briefly with him. But there's a movie that
Speaker 1: didn't turn a lot of heads even though with starring
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt on Netflix, called war Machine and the director,
Speaker 1: great director David Mashad he um and me and this
Speaker 1: other actor, uh, Scoot McNary to improvise and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like this isn't even like the best scene that came
Speaker 1: out of it. But he's uh, the director is not
Speaker 1: in that much improv and the fact that he was
Speaker 1: asking us to improvise the scene really meant a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think I delivered. Improv is very hard because
Speaker 1: it's about you know, it's like write it and it's
Speaker 1: hard to do improv. That's good. Many people try things
Speaker 1: that ultimately you're gonna cut. And then after that, I
Speaker 1: did Um, I did Black Klansman in short succession after that,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of that experience that I
Speaker 1: brought into it where I tried some like to try
Speaker 1: stuff was Spike Lee. It's just it better be right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's good, he loves it,
Speaker 1: but if it's bad, he's gonna hate it. Like it's
Speaker 1: not It's not like he's like, hey, good effort, like
Speaker 1: he um. He's like the best coach you could get
Speaker 1: of a sports that, you know what I mean, You
Speaker 1: just got sports analogies, but you get the ball out
Speaker 1: of the park, and uh, to improvise at that level
Speaker 1: was so scary, and you can't be scared in order improvised,
Speaker 1: so you know, it was like I just learned how
Speaker 1: to do the homework and then let go of it.
Speaker 1: That period of time for me was my most Like
Speaker 1: I was just like feeling it being in the in
Speaker 1: those movies. That's so nice that that was your rose. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you have a thorn? My thorn would be um.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be something I probably did to myself,
Speaker 1: which was earlier in my career kind of the opposite
Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about, where I had a real
Speaker 1: design on what the scene should be like and you're
Speaker 1: trying to impose your will onto the scene. It would
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine when you're watching just me on
Speaker 1: screen or me with one other person, that there's all
Speaker 1: you know, there's the writers and the whole crew is
Speaker 1: around you, and then the editors later in post, and
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make it, there's there's like in
Speaker 1: Black Planets, and there's where you can just discover new
Speaker 1: things that nobody knew what was going to happen, That
Speaker 1: you didn't even know what's gonna happen, and he's putting
Speaker 1: these people together that hopefully not to find that stuff.
Speaker 1: Probably early in my career, I was so I want
Speaker 1: to make something happen. Happen the less happen, you know,
Speaker 1: so you just have to kind of learned to What
Speaker 1: I've learned is I did a play and uh and
Speaker 1: and that changed everything for me because you rehearse so
Speaker 1: much for play, you know, you don't rehearse at all
Speaker 1: from and I've now realized this is probably more boring
Speaker 1: than your viewers want to. But you the more you
Speaker 1: rehearse beforehand and get to know the material and get it,
Speaker 1: then that then on the day you're kind of less
Speaker 1: nervous and you can do whatever I think. I didn't
Speaker 1: used to have a design on what it should be
Speaker 1: that's very miss because I did take acting classes, and
Speaker 1: you're supposed to like write everything down without punctuation and
Speaker 1: just memorize it, so in the moment, you're not thinking
Speaker 1: about how it's supposed to be said. You're just reacting
Speaker 1: to the other person. And it's funny because I was
Speaker 1: talking to Elizabeth Moss about this and she said, there
Speaker 1: are three scenes. It's the one you plan to do,
Speaker 1: the one you actually do, and then the one you
Speaker 1: do in your head on the way home in the car. Well,
Speaker 1: that's true. I've worked with her on a film and
Speaker 1: she is unbelievable as an actress, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: believe that she goes home going, oh, that could have
Speaker 1: been better because he really comes to play. But I
Speaker 1: do think you you uh. I think if you're doing
Speaker 1: it right, which is takes so many years to figure
Speaker 1: out how to do, then something should happen that you're
Speaker 1: not planning to do, and then the way home you go, well,
Speaker 1: that's great because we could never even recreate that. You know,
Speaker 1: we did a moved Look. She's probably one of the
Speaker 1: if not the best actress of my generation. But the
Speaker 1: movie we did it was with Cate Blanchett. And Robert
Speaker 1: Redford and we were sitting there like like, I mean kids,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just couldn't be how good they were.
Speaker 1: But then are after the handmas tail came out and
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, I know, she's the coolest she
Speaker 1: Where do you live? You live in l A, right, yeah?
Speaker 1: And do you come back to Connecticut because I know
Speaker 1: you grew up there. You ever go there? My folks
Speaker 1: they lived there until I was like forty, and then
Speaker 1: they moved out because because I live, that's where I am.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where I live. Awesome, Okay, Well I
Speaker 1: love meeting you. I now know as much fun as
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. And honestly, like, that's this
Speaker 1: is what you want. You know, you always do these
Speaker 1: little sound bites. You don't get talk to anyone for
Speaker 1: a long period of time, and you're great. I appreciate likewise,
Speaker 1: so fun and thank you, and um text me, I'll
Speaker 1: see how fast I'll respond. And I get to meet
Speaker 1: you and your wife in l A. Absolutely, and come
Speaker 1: say hi. By the way when you see us, don't
Speaker 1: pretend you're doing a scene. Well, I might be in
Speaker 1: a very deep, deep emotional state, so I might not
Speaker 1: be able to talk, but tell Ashton I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: I will immediately ill. Okay, good bye. First of all,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that people like Toe for Grace know
Speaker 1: who I am and want to do my podcast and
Speaker 1: have an opinion of me and listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: and like that I'm honest and speak my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just that always moves me because I hear, Wow,
Speaker 1: tofer Grace is doing the podcast, and that's he's major
Speaker 1: and that's exciting, and he seems like a great guy
Speaker 1: and he's a good actor. Um, and then I have
Speaker 1: an amazing conversation with him and I feel like I
Speaker 1: know him and I like him and I want to
Speaker 1: meet his wife and I'm excited. Um, I'm just excited.
Speaker 1: I love talking to him. He's so real, a real
Speaker 1: actor with an amazing career down to earth. Uh what
Speaker 1: a thrill. So excited. Thank you for listening, and remember
Speaker 1: to rate with you and subscribe. We are doing so well.
Speaker 1: This podcast is crushing the game, so keep listening. I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: And I love that. Toper was like, I like when
Speaker 1: you talk to celebrities, but I like when you just
Speaker 1: ranted on about bullshit, which I know a lot of
Speaker 1: you like too, so we try to mix it up.
Speaker 1: Have a good day.