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Speaker 1: And that is what we're talking about today. Let's get

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Speaker 1: anyone else that has really made it out of that thing?

426
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Speaker 1: Not the same way? No, and I don't say that. No,

427
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 1: I and I was, It's just the true. Yeah, No, No,

428
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: I did everything first. I was the first really celebrity

429
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: Becauide didn't ever markt a cocktail. Now you see it's everywhere.

430
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,239
Speaker 1: I was the first one to turn a brand and

431
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, everyone has a cocktail? Did that make

432
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 1: you mad? Like? Like literally everyone I know? And I'm

433
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: going back in, but I feel like I'm the only

434
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: person people can't say she has a cocktail because I

435
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 1: was the one who started the whole trend, literally because

436
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 1: Forbes cover. But anyway, back to you, just you going

437
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,719
Speaker 1: with your gut. It's been you just saying right after

438
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: that seventy show, I just don't want to do that

439
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: role again, not saying I don't want to be typecast

440
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: and that. So you just made good choices based on

441
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: your gut, is what I'm here. Look, I've made bad

442
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: choices too, But but I will tell you you can

443
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: only learn if you're trying. You know, I I sounded

444
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: old when I talked about this stuff. I sound like

445
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: one of those motivational speakers or something. But the truth

446
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: is like, um, you can't learn if you're doing the

447
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. And you have to

448
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,239
Speaker 1: always be I mean it's whether it's college or not,

449
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: like we're talking about, you do have to always be learning.

450
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: And ah, you know, I've played bad guys. I played

451
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 1: good guys. I've been in like really small films. I've

452
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: been big blockbusters. Like I feel like I know so

453
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: much about the industry that, um, some people who may

454
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: be more successfulan you've done the same thing over and

455
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: over again. I don't know, because I've been able to,

456
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, go to all the different corners of it. Amazing.

457
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: I mean, a good career and that's not easy to

458
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: not have to really have had a fair, fairly steady career.

459
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: And what about money, So like, well, look, I prefaced

460
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: the whole thing by saying, I'm so lucky that seveny

461
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 1: show worked because that gave me the ability to try

462
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff there you can't uh, And I totally

463
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: respect working actress. And I've thought about you know that

464
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: when that money manager runs away with all my money,

465
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: you go, okay, like you gotta do what you gotta do.

466
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: But I was very lucky that hit and for so

467
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: long for me, something has to have an r O.

468
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: I either it's philanthropic or it's hilarious, or it's like

469
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: the Money Court Show, which is just gonna be me

470
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: learning or it's money like meaning Someonemist say to me,

471
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: you gotta go do this, you gotta do this panel

472
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: and this person did it before you and Ryan Reynolds

473
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: was on and I'm like, am I getting paid now?

474
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to do it, Like if

475
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting paid, I might go. Or is it interesting

476
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: or is it like I have a reason for the things?

477
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: So I wonder does anything really motivate you? I mean,

478
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: is there something you really don't want to do that

479
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: you're doing because of money. No, it's probably something that

480
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: you would do that you're like, only I don't not

481
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: want to do it, but I don't want to do

482
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: it if I'm not being like you know, there's some

483
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: things that it's like speak on a panel and fly

484
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: across the country and I don't necessarily want to do that.

485
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: I could do this on here, I could give tips

486
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: on a podcast, or I like talking to my own detriment.

487
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Not done that as much as I should. But uh,

488
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't feel guilty about having money.

489
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: I think I would if I if I you know,

490
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: it's a different life. You're talking. You're a business person,

491
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like you're crushing it.

492
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: I think I really wanted an artist life, and I've

493
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: been able to have one in a really um business

494
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: part of the town. Like I'm not doing church basement theater,

495
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really a lot of people to see. Yeah,

496
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: And so I've spent a lot more time thinking about

497
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: what fills me up personally. And I'm just lucky that

498
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: whatever my thing is goes with making enough money that

499
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't have to not do the things that I got.

500
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: This show I'm on now, you know when I started

501
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: just a pilot. We're entering season three. But um, I

502
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: just like it spoke to me. I liked it. I

503
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: really they want to be a part of it to

504
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: help cast the other people, and I have a huge,

505
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: huge respect for the four other people. It's kind of

506
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: there's no start of the show. It's kind of the

507
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: five of us, and they're just amazing actors, and so

508
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean, don't tell anyone, but I

509
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: would do it for Fris. That's how I feel about

510
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: this podcast. That's how I felt about Money Court and

511
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: why I did it for different You'll do different things

512
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: for different reasons, and I like that because I'm exactly

513
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: the same. I'll do something for really nothing if I'm

514
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: I got a question for you for what you're talking about.

515
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: Cuban was on our show last year, which was just

516
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: great because I got to spend three days. We were

517
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: like in a POCRA scene. I got done three days

518
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: talking to him, and he's fascinating guy, you know, and

519
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: it's legit. What he is is what he is, Like

520
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: I was waiting to see if there was some other

521
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: side of him, um, and I tried to ask. I

522
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: think I got an answer. But you would be able

523
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: to shed more light on this because I think it

524
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: has to do with why you're doing this podcast too.

525
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: Is ultimately look and you're not like, you know, not

526
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: going to take the money from it, but ultimately isn't like,

527
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: isn't it ended because it's like your base to people.

528
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this exactly, like like

529
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: Mark Huban, just do I mean, I know he's never ready, yeah,

530
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: but he does not need to do Shark Tanker. He's

531
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: doing it as almost like a charity to America to

532
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: show future entrepreneurs, kind of some of them who likes

533
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: a little of the action too. It's but it's a combo,

534
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: like it's okay to like a little of the sizzle

535
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: of the action, a little of the relevance, you know.

536
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: I know other I'm friends with the owners of the

537
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. No one knows who they are, you know,

538
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: the person, but you know he likes a little of

539
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: the sizzle, and he's playing with the house's money, so

540
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: it's fine. He's interested in the entrepreneurs. He never doesn't

541
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: text me back immediately or called back. I emailed him

542
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: after the episode aired. He gave me. First of all,

543
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: you gave me his email in front of everyone, and

544
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: I was like, hey man, I mean there were like

545
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: extras in the scene and stuff. I was like, you know,

546
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: just you know, give me act you and he's like,

547
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. Anyone can email me. He's very yes,

548
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean like incredible, And then I emailed him like

549
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: in the car somewhere, just saying hey man, I don't

550
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: know if you had a chance to check out the

551
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: episode but you're great in it. And I've never had

552
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: a faster It was like he's done it. Came back

553
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: in and you go, what is this guy doing with

554
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: his time? And he's he's up in the morning early

555
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: and he reads everything, but only assholes like you know,

556
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: don't respond only you know he's a teaching You respond

557
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: very quickly too. I am a responder. You can tell

558
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: you text me, you practice it. I'm a responder. I'm

559
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: afraid because because the rationale is because why do it

560
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: in five minutes? Which you can do now? And all

561
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: successful people are like this right, just get it off,

562
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: get it off, get it out, forward it CC, somebody, BCC, somebody,

563
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: get clean up, check the box. But he's doing that.

564
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: He invested in some company that someone emailed and ten

565
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: years ago that he'd never met. He just forward the

566
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: email that was a lawyer and said, yeah, pay the

567
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: quarter million dollars or whatever they're asking for. I never

568
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: heard from again, and then just got sent to forty

569
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: million dollar check last week. That's insane because the company

570
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: went public and he didn't. He's like, what, like he

571
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: forgot he Oh my god, that's like anyone can email

572
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: me any time. I was like, that's a crazy story.

573
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, you are asking, like what the reason is

574
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: for doing things based on the fact that he's doing that,

575
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: And it's the same as what you're saying. I have

576
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: to be doing what I can. There's nothing I can

577
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: do for money. If I had gone back to house plugs,

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: it would have been only for money, and I would

579
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: have been miserable. You marry for money, you pay the

580
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: rest of your life. I wish I was more like that.

581
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: I value my time so much, I value my rest

582
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I value my peace of mind, I value my home body. Noess,

583
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: I only can do well, that's funny. Actually, no, that's

584
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: what just happened. In the last six months. I decided

585
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: I'm only doing exactly what I love and want to do.

586
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: And it's harder than you think, even with plans, even

587
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: with trips and the kids. I'm only doing what I

588
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: want to do. Well, You've you've earned it. I mean,

589
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know a good busincision or that's just for you.

590
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: I'm just want to be happy and there's enough. I

591
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: have enough good ideas and enough things that are lucrative

592
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: that I could pour myself into them and they can

593
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: be successful. And I just I remember that Joan Rivers

594
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: documentary about the calendar being full, and some people really

595
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: do that's their identity, and that's not me at all.

596
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: I want my calendar empty. You know, it's fine. I've

597
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: been thinking lately because promoting the show, the launching of

598
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: the show, while making it is it's a lot of stuff.

599
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in five different episodes, there's like

600
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: the writing of one. I'm not part of the writing,

601
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: but I'm like looking at what they're doing, and there's

602
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: the editing, and then you're the one you're filming, and

603
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: then to be promoting the premiere, which we shot a

604
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: while ago. Um, and I realized, I think, I don't

605
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 1: know what happens when you fully burn out, because it's

606
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: never happened to me. But the closer you come to

607
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: burning out, the better you are, in my opinion, because

608
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: you find this like your mind is like so attuned

609
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: to what the thing is, so a part of you

610
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: is dying, but like you're actually the results are better,

611
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: you know. Interesting, Well, I mind that all my good

612
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: ideas come between sleep and wake. That's so I have

613
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: a little pad next my bed. Okay, you're waking up,

614
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: but you're still so sort of you know, or like

615
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: you're getting a massage and falling asleep and you have

616
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: an idea and like that. And also when you really relax,

617
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: like if I go out to the Hamptons and I'm

618
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: Jello for a while, the good ideas come because your

619
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: brain is resting. It's like your body digesting twenty foods

620
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving is why it gets tired. If it's just

621
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: calmly like digesting one thing, the machine can work better.

622
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: So if you're relaxed, you know, you can digest more

623
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: information in my opinion, and get more massages. I will, okay, good,

624
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: more massages. So um, what's your recognize? Like you can

625
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you have a normal life? You want a vacation of

626
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: people not bother you, like on a one to tend

627
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: like tend being Gaga or like j Lo where they

628
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: cannot have a normal life. Like what level of normal

629
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: life as a celebrity can you have? Oh, I have

630
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the perfect level of fame. I love it, which is

631
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: to say not a lot, Like I have enough that

632
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I work. I'm probably the least famous celebrity alive, if

633
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But like I think, I love what

634
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I do and we we get bothered a little bit.

635
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: It's starting to bug me because my kids are they

636
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: don't know yet that I'm that I what I do

637
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: for a living. We've kind of not featured it, um,

638
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: so that'll bug me when that happens. But I love it.

639
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: It's such a wonderful normal life and I get to

640
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: do this thing at a really high level at work.

641
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: And like you, yeah, because in your Google thing it

642
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: said like one of the most recognizable faces and whatever,

643
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: and I would think that you have you've been at

644
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: your a less actor, there's no question, Like I was

645
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: so excited when you were doing this, but I was

646
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: thinking he has a good No, there are other less

647
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: actors that like have some sort of a life where

648
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: it's not so crazy. And I was wondering, like, if

649
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: you went to a mall, be honest, in Ohio, would

650
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: it get gnarly or now? Oh, I mean yeah, if

651
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: I strolled around them all singing the theme song the

652
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: seventy show thing, But like you know, there's ways to look.

653
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: I it's it's by design. Like there was a time

654
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: when it was a little crazier and a big part

655
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: of it was me and my wife and she happens

656
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: to share a lot of the same values I do.

657
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I was listening to that that episode you were talking

658
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: about um j Lo and then and why would they

659
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: go on a and I that I actually, I mean,

660
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: I've met Ben Affleck. He's fantastic guy. And uh uh,

661
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: I guess the thing between me and j Lo was

662
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: just like a couple of months, like it was just

663
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: a little romantic trist But I the truth is, I mean,

664
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: no one wants to talk about how much they like fame,

665
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: but everyone does. And man, it has an addictive drug

666
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: like quality. And that's the thing I think you were

667
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: leaving out of that conversation, is like, because I always

668
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: have that thing about other actors where I'm like, why

669
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: are they like if they want to not be seen, Like,

670
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: why are they having lunch at the front thing in

671
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: the ivy? And That's what I'm saying. And I don't

672
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: think but I don't think everybody likes it. I think

673
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: you might not like it if no one recognized you,

674
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: because it might be an indication that you aren't relevant

675
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: as an actor. But I don't think you give a

676
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: ship if someone recognizes you in then the moment. That's

677
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: a good point. I get. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

678
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I think I think you just have The only person

679
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: who can tell is you. Like my wife doesn't even know,

680
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: Like what is your I mean, it's very personal, like

681
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: being in a relationship with someone who has a problem

682
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: with alcohol or or drugs or whatever. It's the same

683
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of addictive thing. And all I can say for

684
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: me is that I don't not like it. You know,

685
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: like everyone should try fame and see you know what

686
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean? Who they are? Yeah, you know some people don't.

687
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: I what do you think? No? No, No, nobody doesn't.

688
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: First of all, no one's companm is who doesn't at

689
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: least have a question or thought about Yes, um, you

690
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: know I in Traffic, that movie which is all about

691
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: drug use, and I wanted doing a search for it.

692
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: And the first film I did, there was a scene

693
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: that was cut out where I'm talking to Michael Douglas

694
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: about how remember I don't know if you remember that movie,

695
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: but I get I get the girl like hooked On.

696
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Isn't Katherine Stones the mother in it? She's the She's

697
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: Amy Irving is the mother of the girl that I

698
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: get hooked pregnant. There's lots of different plots it's amazing.

699
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: I get this girl hooked on it, and he kind

700
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: of Michael Douglas takes me into the hood to kind

701
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: of help find her. And in doing that, there was

702
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: a scene that cut out, but I really liked it

703
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: where I talked about how I can do drugs and

704
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: it's okay, like you know what I mean, like and

705
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: this girl gets lost doing them. And I think fame

706
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: is a little bit like that where some people, you know,

707
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. I did a bunch of that drug

708
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and I you know, and I

709
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: survived and it didn't really and I'm look, I met

710
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: my wife and she's kind of pulled me in this direction,

711
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: and and uh, I like survived it. But I know

712
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: many people who I mean, who are alive. But I

713
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: love this. I've never talked about this or heard anyone

714
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: talk about it that way, And no one wants to

715
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: talk about it because they're more guilty, you know. The

716
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: more guilty they are of the of the doing the drug,

717
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: the less they want to kind of talk about it.

718
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying by the way this, I

719
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: talked about this with food or money. That's why I

720
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: asked you have money. You don't have a lot of

721
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: money noise. I can tell people have money noise, whether

722
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: they have a lot or a little. You don't have

723
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 1: a lot of money noise. And you're talking. I'm talking

724
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: about a guy. I pay a guy to handle my

725
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: money noise exactly, But you still would have it. If

726
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: you buy something expensive, you get noisy, or if you

727
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you have a good

728
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: relationship with fame, which is like people having a good

729
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: relationship with exercise or food, like you. That's why I

730
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: asked the question to you. I don't ask questions to

731
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: people like I asked you because I get the vibe

732
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: that you probably have a good relationship with fame. And

733
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: when you say exercise, your food or these are all

734
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: things that like on first Bluss you could say, yeah,

735
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: people exercise, people do, but people have big issues with food.

736
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: You know, people have issues, big issues with cocaine. I mean.

737
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: And I think all you can do is kind of

738
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: get real with yourself as to how much you like,

739
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: what are your actual not what does it seem like

740
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: to everyone else? Because that's what fame is. It's all

741
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: like other people's perceptions of you. But what to sorry

742
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: if I'm getting to know I like it just to

743
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: you what is your real And the truth is I

744
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: do like it a little bit, but not a lot.

745
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: That's funny, like I would like, you know, it's another

746
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: world where I wish that I was sort of that

747
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: poise person that just sat back and doesn't really say

748
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: a lot all the time until I'm saying something. But

749
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: you can't. You know, that's that's really crazy that you

750
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: say that, because I because your gift is to it's

751
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: so funny what you're saying. A lot of people are

752
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: so um I found in this town are like sad

753
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: about the thing that is their gift, you know. They're

754
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: like they're so good at playing like a like a

755
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, like a character or something, let's say, and

756
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: they're like, man, why do I always have to play dumb?

757
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I was even victim. I don't want to play this

758
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of you know what I played on some and

759
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: you go. But it's also it's your way of shining,

760
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's your thing. Like I said,

761
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: the reason we like listening to you is because you're

762
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: so did that, you know, and it's scary. It's scary,

763
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: but but I appreciate that yeah, it's and you don't

764
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: always want to be the big mouth in the group.

765
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: I'm the person. No, no, no, no no, it's what's

766
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: good about you don't fight your thing and getting older

767
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: as you go. Oh this is what I am. All right, Well,

768
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what agency are you at. Well I

769
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: was at I c M but I am now. It's

770
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: okay because Kevin Huvane is the person I always give

771
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: the Kevin Huvane is the person who said to me

772
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel, but those listening thing he represented, he represents

773
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: er and everybody in the world. Yeah, he's the biggest

774
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: age in the world from from time and let's just say,

775
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: a great guy, the best, the best. He's got to

776
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: come on. So he said to me, I think you

777
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: could be one of the greatest messengers in the world.

778
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: Use your voice. And every time I tell him, I say,

779
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: it's to make shocking because he's like my conciliary. He

780
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: never gets frustrated. So if Kevin Eubains that's why I'm

781
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: on is because I wanted to have a honest conversation

782
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: with you and we just did, like you know, I mean,

783
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: do you know what many not honest conversation. That's the

784
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: whole name of the doing. Well, We're not done because

785
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: I still have I okay, I'm sorry, but yeah, let

786
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: me wait until we're done. We're not done because I

787
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: need a little more, just because I'm not because we

788
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: could be done at the time. I just want to

789
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: hear a couple more things to me, I really do.

790
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: So I want to know, Um, you just you got

791
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: a role and you were the least experienced person getting

792
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: on the seventies Show, and it seems like you haven't

793
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: had have you had that real feel of like the

794
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: lows and the highs of being an actor, Like you're

795
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: not saying you're everything, You're you're you know, it seems

796
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: like you've had a normal career, like meaning stability and

797
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: an acting career. Is that true or that's I'm just

798
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: saying the highlight. I'm very lucky and I'm lucky that

799
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: seventies show one that I got it and it was

800
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: my first audition. I didn't have to deal with all

801
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: that rejection. And I almost that I feel guilty about

802
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: more than the money, is like the fact that I,

803
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, I know all these actors were so hard

804
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: and they're so talented, but there's so many great things

805
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: about uh doing a you know, yeah, it's like we're

806
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: talking about, it's like a boot camp or a graduate

807
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: school or whatever you want. You know, you do it

808
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: for so long. I did it for seven years, and

809
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, people won't remember this, but the show was

810
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: not doing well and was not good when it started,

811
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: especially because it was starting. I mean, Ashton never acted,

812
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: Laura had never acted, Wilma barely knew English. I mean

813
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: it was you know, they had a little experience, like

814
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: they had been modeling or something. But like, uh, we

815
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: all learned it by being bad on a week, We'd

816
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: all take turns as being the worst person in the episode,

817
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: and then the next week, that Monday, you start back

818
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: up again. Plus there's also like a live audience, so

819
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: you have this like direct standing whether what you're doing

820
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: is funny. I remember at the beginning doing jokes and

821
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: the audience wouldn't laugh. And there's nothing louder than four

822
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: people sitting in silence when you just told a joke,

823
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: and you learn how to make people laugh, and so

824
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: and then and there's the repetition of it, and then

825
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: you have the summers off and you can do movies

826
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: in the summers and then you come back to a

827
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: home base. It is like whenever I hear an actor

828
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: say I wish I could get off this sitcom, I

829
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: go like, this is you're You're wrong, You've kind of

830
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: mastered it. It It was like a wonderful and so I

831
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: think that allowed us to kind of go a lot

832
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: of people that cast have met with a lot of

833
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: success afterwards. It's because we kind of were trying things

834
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: in the summer and by the time we were finished,

835
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: I finished at the age that Chandler like started friends,

836
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we got finish early too. Wow,

837
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: were you are you friends with a lot of people

838
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: that you've worked with, or are you like friends with civilians?

839
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: You and your wife like, what's your soul? What's your data? Civilians?

840
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Now that we have kids and all that stuff. But

841
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: we did you know, they just did a that nineties

842
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: show reboot. Um that's on Netflix. I don't know, want

843
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: to like later this year or something. But I went

844
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: to do just one episode because I can only do

845
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: one because of home economics. But uh, it was amazing.

846
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: We went back and it was that I imagine having

847
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: that great a experience on that show and then you

848
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: come back and someone's recreated the sets exactly, and Ashton

849
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: was there, and Meil was there, and Laura and the

850
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: people pay my parents, and and then we went and

851
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: did it in front of a live audience. They have

852
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: a whole new group of kids who are fantastic, and

853
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, it was like going

854
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: to a high school union and then you go back

855
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: to school and yeah, that's amazing. If this is narcissistic,

856
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: but I'm okay with it. Uh. If ever I could

857
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: have someone to play like a portion of my life

858
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: in a movie, it would be Mila. I mean me too.

859
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean just because she's just I just because she's

860
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: got dark hair and she I mean, she is so

861
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: cool in real life, Like I know, everyone wants to like,

862
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: what's that person really like? Uh. It was very weird

863
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: because the word in no way romantic when we did

864
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: the show, and then even now, I mean like she

865
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: was sitting on his lap. They were watching a scene

866
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I was doing, and I was like, it was too weird.

867
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Together married obviously, but to see them on that said,

868
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: like laughing together and holding him, that's funny. It's amazing.

869
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: Full circle, I think. Yeah, I know I saw them.

870
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. This is again, this is my craft

871
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: as a content creator now who didn't know how to

872
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: do social media. A year ago, I was doing a

873
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: stupid TikTok with Paul, my fiance, and Santa Barbara had

874
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: a cafe there and it was like recreating a scene

875
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: from from Bridesmaids where she's like, I don't think people evolved,

876
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: and she's like, I think they do. And we were

877
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: in it. We were in our own scene and Ashton

878
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: and Milow were there and they had just done stuff

879
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: for Ukraine and I had just done stuff for Ukraine,

880
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: and I imagine if I say hi, they're like, oh, yeah,

881
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: you're that girlfriend the bat thing, and for some reason

882
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I didn't say hi, and I was annoyed after say Hi, there,

883
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed because I still haven't go in. So

884
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: that just shows how much I don't care. But now

885
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: I care. I'm like, wait, when you talk to them,

886
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: just tell them Beth that he should us at high in.

887
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Santa bar definitely make a point of that I was

888
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: in a scene just say I was simidly they're legitimately

889
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that imagine if like two year great

890
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: friends from high school later met up and got together.

891
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: But I was filming a scene, so I was also

892
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: they know not to interrupt people during this. Yeah, I

893
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: was shooting a scene from from TikTok and I was,

894
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a I'm a mis interactor, and I

895
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let that, you know, distract me, so I

896
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: was in the focus. Um okay, So last question, well, now,

897
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: what's your relationship to social media and short form content?

898
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: I am blowing it. I'm so bad mother. I try

899
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: to post once or twice a week a picture. I'm

900
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: just from that generation that didn't have to do it,

901
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: and now I don't really feel like I have to

902
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: do it, and I should do what you're talking about,

903
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: which is have a The who plays my younger brother,

904
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: Jimmy Tetro on Home Economics, he's um, he comes from

905
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: that world. He was like a YouTube content creator and

906
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: got so big that day cast him in Life Jump

907
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Street and that's how he got into the acting scene.

908
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: The point before about saying we were talking to do

909
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: what you love, I need a vehicle, so when I

910
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: would do this for free because I need a place

911
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: like and that's what social media has become for me

912
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: in the last year, which I didn't realize because Instagram

913
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: is because it's a place to emode and just say

914
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: what you here. I want to say what I think.

915
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: I don't have a platform in this podcast. I could

916
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: do it on these days, but I'm not just always

917
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: like throwing it up and just talking into the camera,

918
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: so that becomes immediate. You're finding all these different places.

919
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: It's almost like social media is is my reality show

920
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: now in a way. Rosenthorne, what's your Rosenthorne of your career?

921
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Rose and thorn Um, Well, I mean I'm very centered

922
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: on I'm very focused on my personal life, so like

923
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: you mean, just in my career like you no, not

924
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: because I want to have my baby. Like this crazy

925
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: ship happened on this day and it really made me

926
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: feel like it doesn't have to be the right answer,

927
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: like the ship, the worst and the best, my best

928
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: or your best moment or your best thing you got

929
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: on the I was on the cover of Forbes magazine

930
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: maybe or I left the show like, well, I wasn't

931
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: on the cover of Forbes, but whatever it is, let

932
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: me see. Uh oh, that's such a good question. What

933
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: was the best day of my career. Wow, I think, um,

934
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: it's probably not something people know, but there was a

935
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I don't know. I did a movie called

936
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: war Machine with Brad Pitt, who had who had met

937
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: a couple of we were I was in those Oceans

938
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Leven movies briefly with him. But there's a movie that

939
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: didn't turn a lot of heads even though with starring

940
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt on Netflix, called war Machine and the director,

941
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: great director David Mashad he um and me and this

942
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: other actor, uh, Scoot McNary to improvise and it wasn't

943
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: like this isn't even like the best scene that came

944
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: out of it. But he's uh, the director is not

945
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: in that much improv and the fact that he was

946
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: asking us to improvise the scene really meant a lot,

947
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: and I think I delivered. Improv is very hard because

948
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: it's about you know, it's like write it and it's

949
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: hard to do improv. That's good. Many people try things

950
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: that ultimately you're gonna cut. And then after that, I

951
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: did Um, I did Black Klansman in short succession after that,

952
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of that experience that I

953
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: brought into it where I tried some like to try

954
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: stuff was Spike Lee. It's just it better be right,

955
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's good, he loves it,

956
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: but if it's bad, he's gonna hate it. Like it's

957
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: not It's not like he's like, hey, good effort, like

958
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: he um. He's like the best coach you could get

959
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: of a sports that, you know what I mean, You

960
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: just got sports analogies, but you get the ball out

961
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: of the park, and uh, to improvise at that level

962
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: was so scary, and you can't be scared in order improvised,

963
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: so you know, it was like I just learned how

964
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: to do the homework and then let go of it.

965
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: That period of time for me was my most Like

966
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: I was just like feeling it being in the in

967
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: those movies. That's so nice that that was your rose. Okay,

968
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: do you have a thorn? My thorn would be um.

969
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: You know, it would be something I probably did to myself,

970
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: which was earlier in my career kind of the opposite

971
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about, where I had a real

972
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: design on what the scene should be like and you're

973
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: trying to impose your will onto the scene. It would

974
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine when you're watching just me on

975
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: screen or me with one other person, that there's all

976
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's the writers and the whole crew is

977
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: around you, and then the editors later in post, and

978
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make it, there's there's like in

979
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: Black Planets, and there's where you can just discover new

980
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: things that nobody knew what was going to happen, That

981
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: you didn't even know what's gonna happen, and he's putting

982
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: these people together that hopefully not to find that stuff.

983
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: Probably early in my career, I was so I want

984
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: to make something happen. Happen the less happen, you know,

985
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: so you just have to kind of learned to What

986
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: I've learned is I did a play and uh and

987
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: and that changed everything for me because you rehearse so

988
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: much for play, you know, you don't rehearse at all

989
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: from and I've now realized this is probably more boring

990
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: than your viewers want to. But you the more you

991
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: rehearse beforehand and get to know the material and get it,

992
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: then that then on the day you're kind of less

993
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: nervous and you can do whatever I think. I didn't

994
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: used to have a design on what it should be

995
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: that's very miss because I did take acting classes, and

996
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: you're supposed to like write everything down without punctuation and

997
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: just memorize it, so in the moment, you're not thinking

998
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: about how it's supposed to be said. You're just reacting

999
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: to the other person. And it's funny because I was

1000
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: talking to Elizabeth Moss about this and she said, there

1001
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: are three scenes. It's the one you plan to do,

1002
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: the one you actually do, and then the one you

1003
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: do in your head on the way home in the car. Well,

1004
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: that's true. I've worked with her on a film and

1005
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: she is unbelievable as an actress, and it's hard to

1006
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: believe that she goes home going, oh, that could have

1007
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: been better because he really comes to play. But I

1008
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: do think you you uh. I think if you're doing

1009
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: it right, which is takes so many years to figure

1010
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: out how to do, then something should happen that you're

1011
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: not planning to do, and then the way home you go, well,

1012
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: that's great because we could never even recreate that. You know,

1013
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: we did a moved Look. She's probably one of the

1014
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: if not the best actress of my generation. But the

1015
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: movie we did it was with Cate Blanchett. And Robert

1016
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: Redford and we were sitting there like like, I mean kids,

1017
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we just couldn't be how good they were.

1018
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: But then are after the handmas tail came out and

1019
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, I know, she's the coolest she

1020
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: Where do you live? You live in l A, right, yeah?

1021
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: And do you come back to Connecticut because I know

1022
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: you grew up there. You ever go there? My folks

1023
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: they lived there until I was like forty, and then

1024
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: they moved out because because I live, that's where I am.

1025
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where I live. Awesome, Okay, Well I

1026
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: love meeting you. I now know as much fun as

1027
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: I thought it would be. And honestly, like, that's this

1028
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: is what you want. You know, you always do these

1029
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: little sound bites. You don't get talk to anyone for

1030
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: a long period of time, and you're great. I appreciate likewise,

1031
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: so fun and thank you, and um text me, I'll

1032
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: see how fast I'll respond. And I get to meet

1033
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: you and your wife in l A. Absolutely, and come

1034
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: say hi. By the way when you see us, don't

1035
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: pretend you're doing a scene. Well, I might be in

1036
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: a very deep, deep emotional state, so I might not

1037
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: be able to talk, but tell Ashton I'm sorry that

1038
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I will immediately ill. Okay, good bye. First of all,

1039
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe that people like Toe for Grace know

1040
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: who I am and want to do my podcast and

1041
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: have an opinion of me and listen to this podcast

1042
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: and like that I'm honest and speak my opinion. I mean,

1043
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: I just that always moves me because I hear, Wow,

1044
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: tofer Grace is doing the podcast, and that's he's major

1045
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: and that's exciting, and he seems like a great guy

1046
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: and he's a good actor. Um, and then I have

1047
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: an amazing conversation with him and I feel like I

1048
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: know him and I like him and I want to

1049
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: meet his wife and I'm excited. Um, I'm just excited.

1050
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: I love talking to him. He's so real, a real

1051
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: actor with an amazing career down to earth. Uh what

1052
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: a thrill. So excited. Thank you for listening, and remember

1053
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: to rate with you and subscribe. We are doing so well.

1054
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: This podcast is crushing the game, so keep listening. I'm thrilled.

1055
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: And I love that. Toper was like, I like when

1056
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: you talk to celebrities, but I like when you just

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Speaker 1: ranted on about bullshit, which I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: you like too, so we try to mix it up.

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Speaker 1: Have a good day.