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Speaker 2: Rory, I'm gonna put you on the spot here.

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Speaker 1: Yep, this is a common theme. What's the most creative

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Speaker 1: potential murder student? You know, just like how Doc Brown

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Speaker 2: It's just out there if you know who to ask. Well,

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Speaker 2: we don't condone murder here at Crime List. It's unequivocally

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Speaker 2: But we are very much in favor of failed murder

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Speaker 2: banana pel So like this week's stories, which illustrates some

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Speaker 2: After the break, we have the tale of the world's

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Speaker 2: worst surprise package, and a love story for the Ages

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Speaker 2: in which a wife can't stop trying to kill.

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Speaker 1: Her husband in increasingly dumb ways. Addiction. That's real addiction

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Speaker 1: right there. This week on crime Less After the Break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Crimeless, the weekly podcast that celebrates the

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Speaker 2: amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals, even the attempted

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Speaker 2: murderers because they have failed.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Deine and I am Rory's skillful.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so our first crime today sounds like the plot

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Speaker 2: of a Bugs Funny episode, perfect, Rory, have you ever

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Speaker 1: Sure, I've got them all the time, oh, piling them up.

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Speaker 2: So there is someone out there you really don't like

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Speaker 1: To do harm to. Probably not, Probably no one I've

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Speaker 2: So there's not anyone who's secretly wishing yeah yeah, or

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Speaker 2: I like to imagine the perpetrator of our lead crime today,

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Speaker 2: So this is the kind of bonkers thing that typically

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Speaker 2: You might be surprised to learn that owning a rattlesnake

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Speaker 2: Majority of the US you can indeed own a rattlesnake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you? Why would I don't want to

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Speaker 2: So who committed this devious act? It was members of

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Speaker 2: all three men pleaded guilty to lesser charges, an avoided trial,

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Speaker 1: Was bit. I think it's bit was bitten. It was

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Speaker 2: Having heard all that, would you now consider mailing a

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Speaker 1: this is just the frugal Rory and me. That weight's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's a total serial commercial. How many bulls

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, no, no no, we'll do this together.

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Speaker 2: Right, future wepisode Josh and Rory wat spiders.

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Speaker 2: After the break, the murder plots get even stupider. Welcome

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Speaker 2: back to Crime Lists, the podcast that absolutely hates murder

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Speaker 2: but loves a good failed murderer. Heyes, murder our second

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Speaker 2: story as a doozy Rory. Okay, so good that you

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Speaker 2: will think this should be a movie, and it eventually was,

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So then that instinct is correct if

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Speaker 2: Back in the early nineteen eighties, Francis and Tony Tote

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Speaker 1: Were they like after that bell? I mean, there's so

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Speaker 2: Capture the bell anyway. Tony Toto, who moved to the

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Speaker 1: It, and she knew it, so he's not even good

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Speaker 2: Not even trying to hide it. I think he was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Darla's, all right, I meant the bar.

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Speaker 2: And Francis like good Samaritans would see him out doing this.

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Speaker 2: and to really rub it in their house, would even

439
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: get calls from the girls.

440
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 1: He was sleeping with love It, love it real, real

441
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: new age guy right there.

442
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 2: This was the eighties, no secret text or Instagram dms,

443
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 2: just ladies calling her answering machine looking for Tony. So

444
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: Francis would try to confront her husband about it, but

445
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 2: Tony just blew her off. Finally she said she couldn't

446
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 2: take it anymore. What do you think Francis did next?

447
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: She mailed him as no, I don't know, tried to

448
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 1: shove him into a pizza oven.

449
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 2: Well yeah, basically she decided I've been killed. So yes,

450
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean that would have been one way to do it.

451
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 2: I feel like a high degree of difficulty on the

452
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 2: pushing into a pizza oven.

453
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: It would be difficult. It's not like a huge opening.

454
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know Tony size. You know, there's a lot

455
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 1: of issues. It's pretty narrow generally, right, it's narrow, Yeah,

456
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: and it opens out, so I feel like it'd be

457
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: very easy to escape. Yep. No, no, no, you're you're

458
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: you're finding all the pitfalls in this theory. Naturally, she called.

459
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: Up the most dangerous person she knew, their son's fourteen

460
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: year old friend.

461
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 1: Yep, Jason. Get Jason over here. I want to get

462
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: my husband killed.

463
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: Here's the amazing teenage murder plot. The kid would hide

464
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: behind the bushes in front of their house with a

465
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: baseball bat, wait for Tony to combine and slug him

466
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: in the hill.

467
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, recurring theme here.

468
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 2: Murder attempts first imagined in Looney Tunes episodes.

469
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are all animated. Yeah.

470
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 2: So one day Tony was walking out of the house.

471
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: The kid swung the bat, but it got stuck in

472
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: a bush. Tony heard it turned around, spooking the kid

473
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: hit man, who dropped the bat and ran.

474
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: That's the most g rated ending to that attempt I've

475
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: ever heard.

476
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: You thought Tony might just beat the crab out of

477
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 2: the kid. Yeah, I mean Tony's so like, what are

478
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: you doing? What's going on? I mean, great cover up, right,

479
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: you can't report a fourteen year old for swinging a

480
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: baseball got in your front yard?

481
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: Right, and that kid was like sorry, I thought the

482
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: baseball field was in here and just ran off.

483
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: Okay, failed murder attempt. Not a great star for Francis. Naturally,

484
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: she went to option be another team. Yeah, this time

485
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 2: her daughter's boyfriend, Donald Ernie.

486
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

487
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: The first plan was to shoot Tony in the back

488
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: after he parked by their house. Donald hid behind a

489
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: tree at the intersection nearby, waiting for Tony to take

490
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: the U Turney always took before parking his car. That night,

491
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: for some reason, was the first time in five years

492
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 2: that Tony didn't make the U turn. Donald couldn't take

493
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: the shot without Tony spotting him, so instead, recurring team,

494
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: Donald tried some bugs bunny shit. He strung a wire

495
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: across the house's front step so that Tony would trip

496
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: when he headed out the door for his date at night. Yeah,

497
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: unfortunately Tony spotted the wire.

498
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: You're right, this is all very just looney tunes. I know,

499
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: so Tony spotted the wire. I bet it wasn't even

500
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: thin at all. It was like very thick, pang a

501
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: painting type wire.

502
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: I would think the most obvious problem with this is

503
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 2: that most people don't fall and automatically hit their head

504
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: and die.

505
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: They be like break an arm. They just roll out

506
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Like what the.

507
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: Odds that he would Yeah, very very long odds. I

508
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: feel like it results in a death. You're much higher

509
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 2: odds that you piss off Tony yep. Or in this case,

510
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: he thought it was a prank and he just stepped

511
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: over it, went out on his date.

512
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and went on his date. How fun. Good for you, Tony,

513
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: I have fun out there.

514
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: Depending how you calculate it, were either over two or

515
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: three if you count non u turn shooting.

516
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh I count it. I count that.

517
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so we're over three. So now Donald still

518
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 2: on the job. He tries setting up a car bomb

519
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: by putting a wire between the gas tank and the

520
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: distributor of Tony's car.

521
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: This dude went from tripping him on the stairs to carbomb.

522
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Donald, you're all over the map.

523
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: I think somebody his friends were like, dude, that was

524
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 2: the dumbest idea.

525
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: How about a car bomb?

526
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he puts a wire between the gas tank

527
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: and the distributor of Tony's car, which would set off

528
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: a spark to create an explosion. But Donald Shocker isn't

529
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 2: a bomb maker, and his makeshift explosive never goes off. Yep,

530
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: pretty much what you'd expect someone. Now.

531
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: Four Again, Donald is not Donald alone is oh for three?

532
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: He is.

533
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: It's important to point out that we're four murder attempts

534
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: in and Tony still has no idea that there's an

535
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 2: actual threat on his life. So none of these have

536
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: actually revealed to him that someone is trying to kill him.

537
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: He just happens to be avoiding them all. Yeah, was

538
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: Tony incredibly lucky? Or is this just what happens when

539
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: you hire teens to be your assassin?

540
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: Maybe both? Yeah, there's a little bit of both.

541
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: Francis then turned god to her daughter's other boyfriend. She

542
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: clearly takes after the dad.

543
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: Okay, so the morals. I don't like that he cheats,

544
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: but I'm okay that you do it to your boyfriends,

545
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: and so let's get them involved, even though you're doing

546
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: the same thing that I'm wanting to kill him. For

547
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: how good do you think his pizza is? Do you

548
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: think he makes great pizza? Because I'm thinking this good

549
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: karma in with all the luck. Maybe he makes really

550
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: good pizza that's brought some good vibes.

551
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: The universe needs his pizza, the universe.

552
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: He has made a lot of people happy.

553
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: It's the best pizza in Allentown. So daughter's other boyfriend

554
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: twenty year old, so are stepping it up, and we

555
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: know the more teens. It's now a man, a twenty

556
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: year old named Anthony Bruno. That sounds like a guy

557
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: I trust to take care of my killing.

558
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: This sounds like a guy who knows how to get

559
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: the gym done.

560
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Okay. One night

561
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: in January nineteen eighty three, Anthony Bruno sneaks into the

562
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: Toto's house and shoots Tony with Tony's own gun, which

563
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: was stored in their bedroom.

564
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: Okay, this is smart, this is more effective, This is solution. Yep.

565
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: So the bullet hits Tony in the head, but somehow

566
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: he doesn't die. He's just badly maimed. Yep, so wounded,

567
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: not dead. But Francis isn't a quitter. She puts sleeping

568
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: pills in a bowl of chicken soup and feeds it

569
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: to Tony. Who is that a little bit out of

570
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: it because he's been shot, But maybe he isn't totally

571
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: aware unclear. I'm guessing because he probably should have.

572
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: Been in a hospital.

573
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bullet hits him in the head. He's not dead,

574
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: but he's out of it. He's now got sleeping pills.

575
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: These don't kill him either. They just put him in

576
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: an even deeper days half a sleep state.

577
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So he stayed like this.

578
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: Hopped up on sleeping pills with a bullet in his

579
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: head for two full days.

580
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Look, I'm team Tony. I'm team Tony. He clearly makes

581
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: very good pizza.

582
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: Also, maybe like like there's a hired calling here like Tony,

583
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: like he just you can't be killed.

584
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: I bet he's got a fun pizza shop. I bet

585
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: when you walk in, he's got the red and white

586
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: you know table claw. I bet you it's that smell.

587
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: There's a miss pac man in the corner with Galiga options.

588
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a picture on the He's got Billy

589
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: Joel in a frame.

590
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: And its signed and Billy Joel's been to the pizza place.

591
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: So yes, Allentown can't lose this man.

592
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: Only the good die Young. That's not Tony. Oh, let's

593
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: not just Billy Joel reference just whipped it out. Tony's

594
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: good people.

595
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: According to Tony later, he didn't feel anything and he

596
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: didn't really have any idea what was going on. Francis

597
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: told him he had the flu and he believed her. Yeah,

598
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: and the poor guy thinks his wife is nursing him

599
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: back to health when she's actually trying to do the opposite.

600
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: So Francis then pays a couple of Anthony Bruno's buddies

601
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: named Ronald and Donald shut the fuck up five hundred

602
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: dollars to shoot her cheating husband again. I don't know

603
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: why Anthony can't do it, but we need Ronald and

604
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Donald the cousins, because we need a gang at this point.

605
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: We need more voices.

606
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: They did shoot him in the chest, but they missed

607
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: his heart by an inch. Laid there for two more

608
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: days until the police got a tip and showed up

609
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: at the house where they found him in bed and

610
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: told him he'd been shot. He was so out of

611
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: it he didn't believe them.

612
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tony was.

613
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: Taken to a hospital, and finally six murder attempts in seven,

614
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: depending how you want to calculate, Francis, Anthony and his friends,

615
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: plus two of the Toto's kids are all arrested.

616
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: This is something philosophical here, Josh. Are we led to

617
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: believe that we are only truly dead when we believe

618
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: we are, Like, can we live forever if we don't

619
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: think we've died?

620
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Tony would seem to be a living example

621
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: of that, where he's like, I was not shot.

622
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking. I don't know. I

623
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: got the flu. I have the flu. They're like, you're

624
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: bleeding so much, it's insane. There's a wound in your head,

625
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: and there's one that's an inch from your heart where

626
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: all the blood is kind of coming through.

627
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: Well, it is like one of those things your mom

628
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: tells you, like mind over matter, if you just like

629
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: think positively, Like, you know.

630
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: How did they not immediately put him on Seal Team six?

631
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean he's ready to go. Oh my god.

632
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: So after two weeks in the hospital he is a

633
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: full recovery. The doctors had to leave the bullet. Wait

634
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: how long in the hospital?

635
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: Just two weeks is that. How long is that? I

636
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: wonder if that's most humans? Like, how long does it

637
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: take to recover from a bullet wound? Two? Two? Man?

638
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: The doctors had to leave the bullet and his head.

639
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: He still has it to this day. So the doctors

640
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: theorized that the sleeping pills his wife gave him in

641
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: the hopes they might actually kill him may have saved

642
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: his life by lowering his metabolism and slowing the bleeding

643
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: from the gunshot. So she saved his life by trying.

644
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: To kill him. Oh, I wonder if she's got a

645
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: lawyer who's good enough to work that angle.

646
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: Well, there's a big twist coming here, Rory gee.

647
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Josh, I told you a month ago. No more twists.

648
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: So all in all, just to sum up, first, Tony

649
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: Toto survived two shootings plus one almost shooting. He avoided

650
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: a baseball bat, a tripwire, and a car bomb. The

651
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: philandering pizza olo pizza old. I don't know how you

652
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: pronounced that word, the guy who makes pizza. He cheated

653
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: death six times. This guy just loves to cheat.

654
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, nice moves. Tony would have loved that. See

655
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: when I did that.

656
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: Francis was charged with solicitation to commit murder. Tony later

657
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: said that he was angry for a few days, but

658
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: then he started to think about his pardon this mess. Yeah,

659
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: their marriage was far from perfect and he did cheat

660
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: a lot.

661
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: Tony is incredible. He's incredible. He should be sainted, is

662
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying, right. I mean, look, he made some mistakes,

663
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: but the fact that he came out of it came

664
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: through this and he's like, eh, you know, I'm not

665
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: doctor perfect either.

666
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: He decides to forgive Francis, and he even bailed her

667
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: out of prison. He put fifty grand up to spring

668
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: the woman who tried to kill him six times, asked

669
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: the police to drop the charges, which they wouldn't do,

670
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: and so Francis pleaded guilty and was sentenced to four

671
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: years in prison.

672
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: Chimny Christmas.

673
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like a Hallmark movie.

674
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a Hallmark movie, right, A very

675
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: dark one. That's what I want to see.

676
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: Anthony Bruno and his palace. Ronald and Donald also pleaded guilty.

677
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: The fourteen year old with the baseball bat got off

678
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: for cooperating with police, and Donald Ernie, the guy who

679
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: set up the failed tripwire, and the bad car bomb

680
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: wasn't even charged. I guess because his schemes were too

681
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: lame to actually.

682
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: They even take him serious enough to think, get out

683
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: of here, you bunk. That was embarrassing. Get out of here. Yeah,

684
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: why would you even admit to any of that?

685
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: And here's the twist. In the end, Tony and Francis

686
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: stayed together. He'd visit her in prison and decided to

687
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: stop cheating and sell the pizza place. He became a

688
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: printer so he'd have better hours, and he took up

689
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: karate in his free time. When she got out, Francis

690
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: became an administrative assistant at an organization that helps female

691
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: former convicts. And don't worry, they went to couple's therapy,

692
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: which must have worked because they're still together. This year

693
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: will be their sixtieth anniversary. That's unreal, incredible, right, that's incredible.

694
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: On top of all that, they signed a big Hollywood deal.

695
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: Their story was turned into a movie starring Kevin Klein

696
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: and Tracy Oldman called I Love You to Death. The

697
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: Totos loved the movie. Tony said it was ninety nine

698
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: percent accurate. They changed the poisoned Chicken soup to poison spaghetti.

699
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Classic you know, these little alterations that mean the world

700
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: to us the audience.

701
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna play a little bit of you of Tony

702
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: and Francis here, love this, love this already?

703
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: Did I forgive it? Yes, nothing happened to me? Is

704
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: this okay? Don't do it again? Say take it easier?

705
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: He's far an express of coffee. And while they stopped

706
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: talking publicly about what happened long ago, if we could

707
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: help one or two family is worth it. Look see,

708
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I am team Tony for sure. There's no change in

709
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: that for me. Amazing.

710
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: Have you come around with Francis too?

711
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Honestly, I honestly, after just seeing her demeanor, I'm like,

712
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't even think she did it. I don't even

713
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: think she's a part of this. She's like, I was cute.

714
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: I loved you so much, you know whatever. We don't

715
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: like talking about it. Oh yeah, do you think he

716
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: don't do it again? He's doing bits? Hey, don't do

717
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: it again. Wait, let's keep it down.

718
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to present as many opportunities for you to

719
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: do your Italian impressions.

720
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: But I I know you do, and I try to

721
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: spot him every time.

722
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: Until we get you canceled. By the Italian American Society

723
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: of America.

724
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, they're after me. So did you enjoy those stories? Rory? Absolutely?

725
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got one more for you yet,

726
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: cleanser short.

727
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Maybe even more unbelievable than the last one. Okay, high

728
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: bar right. Yeah.

729
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: So for this one, we travel all the way across

730
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: the globe to guang Shi, China. Okay, don't know where

731
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: that is at China, but it's a large city where

732
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: a businessman named Tany He was sued by a competitor

733
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: referred to as Way in the reports I've seen. As

734
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, Rory. Legal fees are expensive, so

735
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 2: Tan decided to cut some corners. What do you think

736
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: he decided to.

737
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Do represent himself. I don't know what you mean.

738
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: He figured it would be cheaper to just get rid

739
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: of Way by killing him.

740
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I think that's what you meant. Right,

741
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: It's sort of I didn't know how to, you know,

742
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell with you anymore, Josh. With these curveballs

743
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: and these twists, he.

744
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: Could just choose to use the legal system and defend

745
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: him like, but now let's just kill him instead.

746
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

747
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: So here's what happened, Tan pays a hitman two million yuan,

748
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: which is about two hundred and eighty two thousand US

749
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: dollars according to exchange rates at the time of this

750
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: writing to kill Way. But that particular hitman, we don't

751
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: know why. Unfortunately, maybe his kid hit soccer, his wife

752
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: was traveling.

753
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: He couldn't do the job.

754
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: So he takes a page out of Hillbilly Heist and

755
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: he subcontracts yes to another hitman who he paid one

756
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: million yuan.

757
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: That's half rory.

758
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's keeping half subcontracting, I mean, good business decision, right,

759
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: I think so. So he's not gonna have to murder,

760
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: keeps half the money.

761
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is also a recurring theme. Anytime someone subcontracts,

762
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: this is always. This is just the recurring theme of it.

763
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: And you know, if it's on Crimeless, it's gonna go well. Yeah, So, okay,

764
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: half of two hundred and eighty two thousand is one

765
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: hundred and forty one thousand.

766
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: That's easy math. I can do that.

767
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you there would be math, but I

768
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: think you could have probably done that one yep. Okay,

769
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. That hitman couldn't do it either.

770
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: Just keeps going down the pipe.

771
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: So he hires another hitman yep, smart, this time for

772
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: seven hundred and seventy thousand yuan. And that hitman he

773
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: hired yet another hit man. So you were on the

774
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: we're on three hitmen. I believe four. Yeah, let's see

775
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: half yeah, four and four. And then number four hires

776
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: he had another hit man for seven hundred thousand yun

777
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: And this guy hitman number four or five, I don't know.

778
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: I've already lost count. He's a little more savvy than

779
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: the last couple. Actually, I believe this is five. I

780
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: believes this is the fourth subcontract in the fifth person.

781
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 2: So he hires he had another hit man. In this case,

782
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: he really cuts his cough. He pays the poor sucker

783
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: a measly one hundred thousand un which leaves him a

784
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: bunch of profit. Can you guess what that hitman did.

785
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: I guess that'd be number six.

786
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: No hired another hit man.

787
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: It's only fourteen thousand dollars, which I think is not

788
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: enough to convince the last guy in the chain to

789
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: really kill someone. Finally, it's just like he breaks the cycle.

790
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: That would be hit man. His name is Ling Jianci.

791
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: He meets the target Way at a cafe and tells

792
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: him all about the plot. Okay, so finally it's gotten

793
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: so low that one guy's like, you know what, no, yeah,

794
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: I'll take your money and I'm turning you fuckers in.

795
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but he does.

796
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: He it's a clever idea Way should fake his own death.

797
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: So they hatch a plan for Ling to take a

798
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: photo of him tied up, which he would take to

799
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: the hit man above him, presumably so no one else

800
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: would be hired to kill him, and maybe also so

801
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: Ling would get paid the full fee. So they're going

802
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: to stage a killing try and get the guy, all

803
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: these killers off of Ways back, also get Ling paid.

804
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: Everybody wins, right, Yeah, but Way decides to go to

805
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: the cops instead of going forward with the plan. So

806
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: in total, five hitmen were all arrested for agreeing to

807
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: murder Away, as was the businessman who put out the

808
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: first hit. After a three year trial, all six men

809
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: convicted of attempted murder.

810
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: And that's a Rico case. I know it's not, but

811
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: I just, you know, learned that phrase and I just

812
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: want to try to use as much as I can.

813
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how to check your math on that.

814
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: I think it's probably right. That's definitely what RICO is.

815
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: That's the Rico math. Yeah, that's clearly a case of Rico.

816
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: It's like Russian nesting doll hitman. That'd be a good

817
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: Christmas gift. Yeah, the Russian dolls. But there each one

818
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: is a little, tiny hit man with a little gun,

819
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: little Chucky. So that is an incredibly true story. I

820
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: wish I had more details. I'm sure that will also

821
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: be a movie, by the way, because it's too amazing

822
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: not to be the story of seven hit men. That

823
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: brings me to the end of my attempted murder stories

824
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: for today. I hope you've learned something I have.

825
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: I've learned quite a bit. Always use the mail, don't

826
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: be afraid of the usps, and win in doubt. Male spiders.

827
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: That's right after the break, what do we have? Lane

828
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: games of very subdued lanes games back in a minute.

829
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: This is Krylers.

830
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Crime List, the podcast that would never

831
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: subcontract its murders because murder.

832
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Is very bad. That's right. We might, however, kill you

833
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: with some razor sharp humor. Ah.

834
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's that time of the episode where we beam

835
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: Lane in from Chicago for a segment. Rory likes to

836
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: call Lane games Lane, what are we doing this week?

837
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: So we could either do the spider math that we

838
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: talked about at the top, or we could do the

839
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: game I planned, or we could do both.

840
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: Oh well, spider math would be fat. Rory and I

841
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: have already guessed, right.

842
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Do you know the answer?

843
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: H yeah, I looked it up.

844
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I have to know this. So I guessed fifty thousand.

845
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I think, what did you changed mine to ten? I

846
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: went from okay, five to ten, three to ten, three

847
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: three to ten.

848
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: I went fifty okay, So this is the math. Also,

849
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: I'd like to say whatever someone says in high school,

850
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm never going to use math. Of course you are.

851
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: You're going to calculate the weight of spiders to rattlesnake.

852
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: This is the time that we all use math exactly.

853
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: Okay. So a black widow spider weighs one gram, okay,

854
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: pretty good even number. And I looked it up. The

855
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: snake that was mailed was a Northern Pacific rattlesnake, which

856
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: weighs around two pounds. That it's probably heaviest.

857
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: Oh it's a small little guy, Okay.

858
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So.

859
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: There are nine hundred and seven grams in two pounds,

860
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: so that's nine hundred and seven black widow spiders.

861
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what nine hundred? But we were also guessing

862
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: for a snake that weighed six pounds. Well that's true, Okay,

863
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: it's twenty seven so kind of close to twenty seven hundred,

864
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: close to three thousand.

865
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your initial one was more correct.

866
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: What guys, there was something in the air that made

867
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: me guess that and then completely second guess myself and

868
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: go to ten thousand because I'm a follower, and I

869
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: saw Josh go to fifty.

870
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: And six pounds is two seven and twenty one grams.

871
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: Wow.

872
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: Rory's first guest was three thousand. That's incredible.

873
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, how is that possible? I don't I honestly don't

874
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: even know. I didn't even know where I got any

875
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Speaker 1: of that. I felt ridiculous saying three thousand.

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Speaker 3: Get that man on a trivia team.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right? Lane, So that was the Rory.

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Speaker 2: Rory won the how many Spiders as a Snakeway Games

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Speaker 2: Spider bonus.

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Speaker 1: It was a route how many spiders make a snake

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Speaker 1: tonight on how many spiders make a snake.

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Speaker 3: The other game that I have, honestly not as well. No,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty fun. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't undersell it here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're off the top.

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Speaker 3: This episode obviously was about failed murder attempts. I would

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Speaker 3: say the most famous failed murder attempt character is Wiley Coyote.

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 3: So today is dedicated to Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner. Pray, yep,

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Speaker 3: so we got some trivia about Wiley Coyote. Okay, first one,

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Speaker 3: Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner first appeared in nineteen forty

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Speaker 3: nine in a theatrical short. What was that short called?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea? And that's actually my guess. My

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Speaker 1: guess is I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: I have some multiple choice A to beep or not

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Speaker 3: to beep, be Fast and Furious, Ce Coyote ugly or

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Speaker 3: D zip zap zoom.

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Speaker 2: It's not the middle to Josh, it's zip zep zoom.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to the last on.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the first one just to mix

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Speaker 1: it up since I won, since I'm playing with spider

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Speaker 1: money right now.

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Speaker 3: No, it was be Fast and Furious? Who I know, right?

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Speaker 2: No, Lane, I was sure that one wasn't it Lane?

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Speaker 1: Unreal to do that us?

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Speaker 2: So it was Vin Diesel. Thing was a remake.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's a little remake.

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Speaker 3: It all goes back to Wiley Cody. All right, So

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Speaker 3: the name Wyley coyote is a pun of the word Wiley. However,

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Speaker 3: in one issue of a Looney Tunes comic book, the

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Speaker 3: E stands for something? Is it a Ethelbert B Eggman

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Speaker 3: c Emmett or d Emily c Emmett?

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Speaker 1: What was b egg Man? I'm going eggman?

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Speaker 3: It was a Ethelbert?

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Speaker 1: What actually kind of was gonna go a? Then I

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Speaker 1: didn't do you know what?

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Speaker 2: The E and Chuck E Cheese stands for Rory X excellent. No,

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Speaker 2: his full name is Charles Entertainment Cheese. All right, I

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Speaker 2: get it different.

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Speaker 3: Smart, Smart, you don't get bonus point for a tribute

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Speaker 3: question you post and then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually is good. Yeah, but also I really

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Speaker 1: respect that attempt at trying to get that bonus point. Yeah.

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00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: Sorry, so far you're both zero and zero, all right?

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00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: Zero zero.

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Speaker 3: Animator Chuck Jones was inspired by a description of a

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Speaker 3: coyote that he read in a semi autobiographical book in

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Speaker 3: that book. The author described a coyote as a long, slim,

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Speaker 3: sick and sorry looking skeleton that is a living, breathing

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00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: allegory of want. He's always hungry. What book is that from?

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Speaker 3: Is it A David Copperfield by Charles Sickens, b A

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Speaker 3: Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway, see the Bible by God?

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Speaker 3: Or d Roughing It by Mark Twain?

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Speaker 1: What Mark Twain book?

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Speaker 3: Roughing It by Mark Twain?

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Speaker 1: I love The Bible by God.

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Speaker 3: That's the greatest author.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm going Mark Twain. That does feel I'm also

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Speaker 1: going to go Mark.

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Speaker 3: Twin correct, it's Mark Twain. You're one in one. The

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Speaker 3: most violent episode and the history of the franchise is

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Speaker 3: called Beep Beep based on the frequency and variety of violence,

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Speaker 3: which is the following is not depicted in that episode. A.

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Speaker 3: A dropped anvil, B A giant magnet, C rocket on

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Speaker 3: wheels or D rocket powered roller skates.

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Speaker 1: Oh, tough one? Which one is not? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I can picture all of them. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go d I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Go see Sorry, it was giant magnet in that episode.

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Speaker 1: Alright.

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Speaker 3: I watched it to check.

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Speaker 1: Classic coyote leans.

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Speaker 3: Heavily on the ACME Corporation to help sources traps, bombs,

954
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Speaker 3: and walls, et cetera. Only counting the first forty original episodes.

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Speaker 3: How much money does Coyote spend on ACME products? This

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Speaker 3: is based off a company called Have a Heart, a

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Speaker 3: wildlife control solutions company's blog. They wrote about this in depth.

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Speaker 3: So A ten thousand dollars, B five hundred thousand dollars,

959
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Speaker 3: C seven thousand dollars, or D two thousand dollars. It's

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Speaker 3: ajusted for inflation to.

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Speaker 2: Some wildlife company went and factored doc Y to the math.

962
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Speaker 2: Math is your teacher was right. Math is important everywhere,

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Speaker 2: it really is.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the highest amount, B five

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. I'm going to go the lowest amount.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you're both wrong. It was CEE seven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: It always C.

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Speaker 3: It's always C. Not really last one. Coyote does eventually

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Speaker 3: catch Roadrunner in the nineteen eighty special Soup or Sonic.

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Speaker 3: What happens when he does A He swallows him hole

971
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Speaker 3: in one bite, but the Roadrunner runs right through him. B.

972
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Speaker 3: He turned to the audience and asks, okay, wise guys,

973
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: you always wanted me to catch him. Now what do

974
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Speaker 3: I do? See? Let him go after he sees how

975
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: scared the roadrunner is, d asks the roadrunner to chase

976
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: him a sorry, guys, it was be turned to the

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Speaker 3: audience and asks, okay, wise guys.

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Speaker 1: That was the only one I thought was definitely not it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seemed like a lock to me too. Shows how

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Speaker 1: much we know Looney Tunes. I got a Wiley coyote,

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Speaker 1: Wiley ethel Engelbert, there it is. I can add that

982
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Speaker 1: to the Charles Entertainment cheese trivia portion of my brain

983
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: middle names of cartoon characters. All right, so we tied,

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Speaker 1: but I will Rory clearly get the tiebreaker by knowing

985
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Speaker 1: the weight of how many spiders waves a snake? How

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Speaker 1: many spiders makes a snake?

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Speaker 2: I think I said how many spiders weighs a snake,

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Speaker 2: which that's a different question. How many spiders would it

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Speaker 2: take to.

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Speaker 1: Get to conclude what they think a snake? Ways? All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next week.

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