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Speaker 5: Hey Everybody, Season six, Episode three, Get Cape We're Cape Fly.
Speaker 5: Episode air date September fifteenth, two thousand and eight. Guys,
Speaker 5: we have the inimitable Robbie Jones here with us again,
Speaker 5: back by a popular demand. You loved him in the
Speaker 5: Q and A. You wanted more, and we got more
Speaker 5: for you. We brought him in. This is a really
Speaker 5: big episode, all about Quentin's passing in the aftermath of that,
Speaker 5: and we just would love to talk now that the
Speaker 5: strike's over with you more Robbie, also about Quentin. Would
Speaker 5: you like to read the synopsis?
Speaker 1: Robbie, Okay, let's see what happened. Was I actually started
Speaker 1: to watch the episode?
Speaker 6: Did you also burst into tears immediately? Or now?
Speaker 1: It was close? I was a no joke. I was
Speaker 1: like I started watching and like the very first you know,
Speaker 1: literally the very first forty five seconds, you're like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is hitting me. How did they do that? Uh?
Speaker 1: Season six, episode three, Get Cape where Cape Fly Air
Speaker 1: date September fifteen, two thousand and eight. Gen Whiz, that's
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Lucas returns from Las Vegas and
Speaker 1: learns of a tragic death of Quentin Fields. As Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley struggle to find a way to help Jamie
Speaker 1: understand the death of Quentin, who was a close friend
Speaker 1: of theirs, Lucas Skills, Nathan, Haley, and Peyton go to
Speaker 1: visit Quinn's mom and get their sympathies. Jamie meets Quinn's
Speaker 1: brother andre.
Speaker 5: Ah Liz Freelander road le Men directed this man.
Speaker 6: That's what Yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: That checks out.
Speaker 1: She's great.
Speaker 7: She has such a skill for allowing us to be
Speaker 7: and you know, Robbie, we've talked about it's also hold on.
Speaker 7: I just have to say, it's so exciting to have
Speaker 7: you here and actually be able to talk about the
Speaker 7: show because for the whole strike, we haven't been able
Speaker 7: to talk about this with any.
Speaker 6: Of our friends.
Speaker 7: So Hi, I'm so glad you're our first post strike
Speaker 7: friend to actually be able to talk about their words.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you. I'm so I'm so honored to
Speaker 1: be here again. And this is beautiful. And I was
Speaker 1: feeling so weird the last time we were talking, not
Speaker 1: being able to like directly address yeah thing, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, there's so much to talk about, but
Speaker 1: we can't talk about it.
Speaker 7: Great, like that job we did one time in an
Speaker 7: undisclosed place that we shan't discuss.
Speaker 3: Right, it's great, But like, this is such.
Speaker 7: A special episode and it's so emotional, and I think
Speaker 7: so much of it is because of the way that
Speaker 7: Liz shot it and allowed all of the scenes to breathe.
Speaker 6: I have a note.
Speaker 7: I like that they're letting us sit with it, the grief,
Speaker 7: the shock. It's patient, Yes, the episode is patient with
Speaker 7: our feelings about your character's passing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And in a show this big, with this many characters,
Speaker 7: so often it's like bam bam, bam bam. You know,
Speaker 7: you're just like running from scene to scene, and to
Speaker 7: really just sit on people's faces as they're feeling and processing,
Speaker 7: I just found such like relief in it. It kind
Speaker 7: of felt like a deep breath that they let us
Speaker 7: really be with our sadness.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Liz is great with that. There's a dance with
Speaker 5: the camera that some directors really understand and they know
Speaker 5: how to get it out of their camera people too,
Speaker 5: where it's not just choppy cutcutcut. Sometimes that works, but man,
Speaker 5: she really her way of communication on set with the actors,
Speaker 5: with the crew and the camera guys, and even with
Speaker 5: the producers who are giving her notes in real time
Speaker 5: as everything flows. She has such a it's like a
Speaker 5: dance watching her work and it comes through on screen.
Speaker 5: Really was so perfect for this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was awesome. I wasn't there, but I got
Speaker 1: a chance to work with her a lot. I felt
Speaker 1: like over the seasons that I was there and I
Speaker 1: felt like she was one of my favorites. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great.
Speaker 5: Robbie, did you watch this episode before, like when the
Speaker 5: show was airing in two thousand and eight, or were
Speaker 5: you kind of like, man, I'm off the show. I
Speaker 5: don't want to I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: No, I definitely watched. I had to see what was
Speaker 1: going to happen. Yeah, I tell people so this is
Speaker 1: the funny part, right, So for years and years and
Speaker 1: years and years and years, when I would run into
Speaker 1: people who love the show, the first thing they would
Speaker 1: say to me nine times out of nine, what do
Speaker 1: you say? Nine times out of ten, almost one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time is the very first thing they
Speaker 1: saved me is go, oh my gosh, I cried so
Speaker 1: much when you died. Yeah, nine times pretty much. And
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what the crazy part is,
Speaker 1: I cried too, And they always are like, no way,
Speaker 1: and I'm like yeah, And I knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: It was really that movie. So like, when I did
Speaker 1: see the episode, it was like, oh man, this is
Speaker 1: you know, it really did all that and to see
Speaker 1: how they they made Quinton's life affect everyone else's life
Speaker 1: on the show, that was like, I thought that was
Speaker 1: pretty brilliant and I thought it worked really really well,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was crazy. It was crazy and
Speaker 1: it was sad and it was heartfelt and to see
Speaker 1: my little brother and my mama and all that stuff
Speaker 1: and it was crazy. It was really it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: Can we rewind a little bit because now that we
Speaker 5: get to talk to you about Quinton, about your character
Speaker 5: and being on the show, you know, you said in
Speaker 5: our Q and A that you were it was your
Speaker 5: first acting gig? Yes, what what was it like beyond
Speaker 5: you know, I know you said you we all had
Speaker 5: fun on set and that was really cool. We couldn't
Speaker 5: talk too much about it, but now that you can.
Speaker 3: Did it.
Speaker 5: Was there any particular You're such a hard worker. Was
Speaker 5: there any kind of research you had to do or
Speaker 5: any kind Did it all feel just really natural and
Speaker 5: came very easily. Was what was the experience moving to Wilmington?
Speaker 5: Like for you, can you just sort of give us
Speaker 5: the lay of the land?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'll start at the beginning. I get
Speaker 1: the audition. It was like, you know, it comes across
Speaker 1: and You're like, oh, wow, this is perfect, this is perfect.
Speaker 1: Young basketball player, got a main streak all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So I go and I worked the material with my
Speaker 1: acting class at the time, and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be cool. It's kind of perfect. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a basketball player. I'm still playing basketball at the time.
Speaker 1: Going for the meeting, have a great meeting. I did
Speaker 1: everything I wanted to do. Boom ooh killed it all
Speaker 1: back and it all is going fantastic, And you could
Speaker 1: just tell it's happening in the room like it's happening.
Speaker 1: So I leave there, get a call from my manager
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, they want to see you play basketball.
Speaker 1: Can you come to the Warner Ranch?
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I got this in the bag.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh.
Speaker 6: I'm like, hell, it's a wrap done.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not even an actor at the time, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm a basketball player. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna cook.
Speaker 3: Please win?
Speaker 1: What time? So I go, I go, I go to
Speaker 1: the ranch. They throw me a basketball. They have a
Speaker 1: little basketball who set up in the back, and I'm
Speaker 1: just dunking and doing all kinds of stuff and they
Speaker 1: literally it was like forty five seconds. They're like, oh
Speaker 1: that'll be enough, thank you. No, that's fine, come on,
Speaker 1: can we get you to come on? You're good. You
Speaker 1: believe me, you're good. And then immediately it was like sell, sales, sell,
Speaker 1: this is why this is gonna be great. You know
Speaker 1: you're gonna be awesome, blah blah. I was just like
Speaker 1: playing it super cool, like oh, okay, well, I hope
Speaker 1: it works out, And in my mind I was like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this happened.
Speaker 7: I love that you had to wherewithal to play it cool. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't have that.
Speaker 6: I love that you have.
Speaker 1: That first time out the gate, it felt like it
Speaker 1: was like a college recruiting trip or something. You're gonna
Speaker 1: love one Mainton Robbie blah blah blah. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be the you do it or whatever. So I get
Speaker 1: the job and fast forward the first day on set.
Speaker 1: We know about that, we talked about that mind blowing,
Speaker 1: amazing experience, and then it just got better and better
Speaker 1: and better and better and more fun and more fun.
Speaker 1: And to answer your question, like I gave you the
Speaker 1: long version, it just felt so natural to me because
Speaker 1: I had then some version of Q years ago when
Speaker 1: I was playing in high schoo and playing in college
Speaker 1: and playing professionally. And I met you before I had
Speaker 1: met guys like Q. I met you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't me, but I definitely could tap into
Speaker 1: that because I had been around guys like that my
Speaker 1: whole life.
Speaker 3: But you weren't intimidated.
Speaker 5: That's what was so interesting, especially for somebody who is
Speaker 5: it's their first gig. A lot of people show up
Speaker 5: on sets, especially on a show that's doing really well,
Speaker 5: and they the fact that you just let out your
Speaker 5: charisma on eleven, like just let it out. There was
Speaker 5: no you could tell that was happening so comfortably, and
Speaker 5: it was shocking. I think a lot of people hold
Speaker 5: back or they're trying to craft it, or you know,
Speaker 5: they're working on it so hard. You see all the
Speaker 5: footprints of the rehearsal all around their performance, and you
Speaker 5: were just so free.
Speaker 3: Why how did you do that?
Speaker 1: I think it was Honestly, I felt like from the beginning,
Speaker 1: I felt like this character was going to be what
Speaker 1: I made it, if that makes sense. Like I felt
Speaker 1: like they knew what they wanted, but I felt like
Speaker 1: if I gave them what I can bring, they would
Speaker 1: they would get on they would they would hop on
Speaker 1: the train, you know what I mean? Because I felt
Speaker 1: like this character could be more than what it's written for.
Speaker 1: And originally, originally it was like a three to five
Speaker 1: episode arc, and so it was like, how do I
Speaker 1: make this guy pop off the page? Pop off the thing?
Speaker 1: And that was kind of just like the fun part
Speaker 1: because everybody around me, the creative juices were just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: do that do that? No, No, no, what was that thing?
Speaker 1: You just did? Do more of that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I felt that and I told you Paul,
Speaker 1: he was amazing. He just was like he's such an
Speaker 1: actor's director. He loved and he just he just was
Speaker 1: like he just pour it into me and gave me
Speaker 1: the confidence and the energy to just like keep doing
Speaker 1: more the stuff that felt natural for me.
Speaker 5: That is so unusual for actors, I think on TV
Speaker 5: shows at a young age to come in and not
Speaker 5: just because we're also afraid we're never going to get
Speaker 5: another job. It's like, you go in, you just want
Speaker 5: to do exactly what they want, so they hire you again,
Speaker 5: and then they say good things about you, so you
Speaker 5: move on to the next job.
Speaker 3: To be able to come.
Speaker 5: In at your first gig and rather than just play
Speaker 5: nice and give them exactly what they want, you were
Speaker 5: You were nice, you were great, but like you went
Speaker 5: way above and beyond and just took risks and then
Speaker 5: they paid off.
Speaker 3: It's so exciting. That's what it is. That's what we're doing, right.
Speaker 5: Why are you acting if you're not willing to do
Speaker 5: that or in an environment where they're fostering that.
Speaker 3: It's so exciting.
Speaker 1: It was a blessing that I think. I think Paul
Speaker 1: was a real blessing because he was my first director,
Speaker 1: and to have him be the guy who kind of
Speaker 1: laid the standard for me, like, no, this is how
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do it. I was like, Oh cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep doing it. Yeah, different directors, but it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, you already messed up and let
Speaker 1: Paul tell me what I want to do.
Speaker 3: So I already got permission.
Speaker 1: I'm good, So I'm going to keep doing this thing well.
Speaker 6: And to have someone you can trust like that give you.
Speaker 7: Kind of give you the keys to the castle your
Speaker 7: first time out of the gate. Like I would imagine
Speaker 7: that that experience with him, because he is such an
Speaker 7: actress director and he is I mean, God's you know,
Speaker 7: six seasons in for us, such an incredible team captain,
Speaker 7: and yeah, that you got to show up and work
Speaker 7: with him. It is striking to think about how freeing
Speaker 7: that probably was. And I would imagine that having had
Speaker 7: that initial experience on that first episode, you just go, oh,
Speaker 7: I want more of this. I want to I want
Speaker 7: to keep feeling like this, and that's that's the best
Speaker 7: of it. Like you were saying, joy, Like, what are
Speaker 7: we doing this for if not that feeling when you
Speaker 7: get to be on set and feel joyful and happy
Speaker 7: and love the people that you're around, and be creative
Speaker 7: and be laughing and be playing and be in your
Speaker 7: body like we had that together so often on our show,
Speaker 7: and I think that since then, Like I mean, god,
Speaker 7: I know what it's like to not have that at
Speaker 7: all and to be like, what is happening here? This
Speaker 7: is so scary, And then to also like get on
Speaker 7: a set where you go it's back, like this is
Speaker 7: the feeling I want. This feels free, this feels fun,
Speaker 7: Like you know, I had that on the last show
Speaker 7: I did Good Sam, and I had that on my
Speaker 7: play in London this summer, like just groups of people
Speaker 7: where I was like, I can't wait to get back
Speaker 7: to set. I can't wait to get back to the theater.
Speaker 6: Like what a gift that is when we have those
Speaker 6: moments together.
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Wow, is it weird now?
Speaker 7: Because I mean you read the synopsis, like, I know
Speaker 7: it's weird for all of us that this episode aired
Speaker 7: in two thousand and eight, Like what is time?
Speaker 6: It's fake?
Speaker 3: Is it weird?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: I'm like, what are you talking about? That was fake?
Speaker 6: I believe it is a lie?
Speaker 7: Like what is it so weird to look back on
Speaker 7: it now and feel those feelings again, because what I
Speaker 7: will tell you is this episode is so visceral for me,
Speaker 7: Like of the one hundred and eighty seven episodes of
Speaker 7: this show that I made, this is top three experiences
Speaker 7: for me. And like God, we got to the funeral
Speaker 7: and I was like, here it comes.
Speaker 6: I could smell the leaves on the ground.
Speaker 7: I remembered I knew what was coming in the slow
Speaker 7: mo when Jamie took the cape out. I knew what
Speaker 7: it would feel like to grab his little hand, Like
Speaker 7: it's sense memory in my body. It affected me so much.
Speaker 7: And do you have that like does it take you
Speaker 7: right back there or does it feel like it was,
Speaker 7: you know, fifteen years ago?
Speaker 6: Me?
Speaker 1: M h, Well, the parts of the episodes that I saw,
Speaker 1: like I said, I wasn't actually there on set for
Speaker 1: this episode. So to watch, like I said, it just
Speaker 1: it just grabs your heart and breaks it because I
Speaker 1: know better than anyone the arc of Quinton Fields and
Speaker 1: kind of where I always believed he was going. And
Speaker 1: to have that cut short and then to see how
Speaker 1: it affected everybody on the show, and to know that
Speaker 1: in real life outside of the show it was being
Speaker 1: cut short, it was kind of like a whatever, multifaceted,
Speaker 1: layered thing for me to know that, like I'm watching
Speaker 1: the end of this all it was. It hit me.
Speaker 1: It was heavy, you know, and to know like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is it for for Quentin Fields, but
Speaker 1: this is also it for Robbie Jones on One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1: So it was like, oh, this is man together, Jones,
Speaker 1: get it together, man, Like this is not real, but
Speaker 1: it just like you said, there's a visceral feeling even
Speaker 1: though I wasn't even there, just to watch a funeral
Speaker 1: of your character and to feel it on so many
Speaker 1: levels like this is the death of Quentin Fields, but
Speaker 1: then also the death of Robbie on the show, it's
Speaker 1: like wow.
Speaker 5: When you watch the show on any other episode that
Speaker 5: you were on, though, does it ever take you back?
Speaker 5: Like are there are there moments that you've had on
Speaker 5: the show that did take you back when you watch
Speaker 5: it and you're like, oh, I can smell like what
Speaker 5: Soph's saying, Sophia saying like can smell believes I can feel? Yeah,
Speaker 5: what were your what are give me like top two?
Speaker 5: What are your memories on being on that show? Like BTS.
Speaker 1: So there was some stuff that that me and James
Speaker 1: did out at the River Court that we shot a
Speaker 1: lot out there, and I felt like there were just
Speaker 1: moments where you're you're just like in such a zone
Speaker 1: that it just brings you all back. As soon as
Speaker 1: you're watching it, you're just like, oh man, I was
Speaker 1: zoning out that day. Like and then some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we shot in in Laney High School. That's
Speaker 1: why it's always so crazy when we go back there
Speaker 1: and do you know the stuff with the charity stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, it just brings it all back,
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff that even you were there,
Speaker 1: joy the stuff that like when you came to practice
Speaker 1: that day and we're running around playing and I got
Speaker 1: the cask on and all that stuff. It's just like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I remember that was right here. That was
Speaker 1: right there. And like even this like this past weekend
Speaker 1: when we were there, I was doing a meet and
Speaker 1: greet and these two young ladies they really love the show,
Speaker 1: and they were like, can you do that thing that
Speaker 1: you did with Jamie the little dance routine, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, that happened like right there, like
Speaker 1: on the floor, like right there. So like we totally
Speaker 1: like redid it and had some fun with it. But
Speaker 1: it's like it all comes back to you just like boom,
Speaker 1: Like it's a really really kind of cool experience to
Speaker 1: watch these shows back years later and then just go, whoa,
Speaker 1: I feel all that again.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, did you know that he was going to die?
Speaker 5: Did they tell you right away that this was the
Speaker 5: plan for for Quentin or was this a surprise? Like
Speaker 5: did you get the script and find out? Did your
Speaker 5: agent call you? How did this go down?
Speaker 1: You don't really want to know, I really do.
Speaker 7: Yes, We've been trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm gonna give you. Is the real
Speaker 1: real Okay, this is just between us and everybody else.
Speaker 1: Turn to So this this all unfolded because my series
Speaker 1: regular deal, Philip, damn it. I got an offer at
Speaker 1: the end of that season a series was regular, and
Speaker 1: it was not a good offer. And my manager at
Speaker 1: the time was supposed to because this was my first gig,
Speaker 1: we were going to use this series regular. Let me
Speaker 1: rewind two steps. I was on set filming my first
Speaker 1: movie while this offer came in this and this first movie,
Speaker 1: it was like some momentum had started building. I got
Speaker 1: the montre Hill gig and then I booked this movie
Speaker 1: with Forrest Whitaker. He just got he just won the
Speaker 1: Oscar for for.
Speaker 5: Last King in Scotland and this.
Speaker 1: Was his first movie after that. Everybody wanted this role.
Speaker 1: So I got this role in this film, Hurricane Season,
Speaker 1: and I'm in New Orleans filming this movie.
Speaker 7: And this is while we're on hiatus, just so the
Speaker 7: people at home.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, So we got the offer and it was like, oh, snap, awesome,
Speaker 1: let's use this to leverage agent. Let's get an agent.
Speaker 1: Now we got it. We got an offer, Let's get
Speaker 1: this agent on board. Let's meet with some agencies, get
Speaker 1: them to negotiate this thing up to where we do.
Speaker 1: My manager, he did his own thing. He went rogue.
Speaker 1: Needless to say, we split ways after this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and then our EP called me and was like, hey, Rob,
Speaker 1: so we've been going back and forth with your manager
Speaker 1: and looking like this isn't going to happen because it
Speaker 1: got to one of those you know, take it or
Speaker 1: leave it situations. But so here's the deal, Rob, I
Speaker 1: got this. I got this idea that we're going to
Speaker 1: kill Q and hey, just just understand it's not because
Speaker 1: of you and we love you, we wanted you, but
Speaker 1: I have an idea of how this could really affect
Speaker 1: the whole show and ran it all down to me
Speaker 1: and I literally was like, that's kind of brilliant and
Speaker 1: I understand. And as much as I hate that this
Speaker 1: is happening, you've you've made a successful show. You're over
Speaker 1: one hundred episodes in. I cannot question any decision you're making,
Speaker 1: no matter how much it affects me in the way
Speaker 1: I feel like it's negative. I appreciate the opportunity, love you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. And he's like, we're going to bring you
Speaker 1: back some and I was like, how are you going
Speaker 1: to do that? And he was like, I'll let you
Speaker 1: know later, but we're going to keep bringing you back
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, we like ghosts on one
Speaker 3: treo and.
Speaker 1: That was that. We had a nice long conversation about
Speaker 1: how he's going to kill my character. I was in
Speaker 1: my hotel room shooting another movie in between filming days,
Speaker 1: and I was heartbroken.
Speaker 5: Did that get into your head on when you went
Speaker 5: back to work on the film set the next day.
Speaker 1: I was just so upset with my manager at the time.
Speaker 1: I just hadn't like flush it all down and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, compartmentalized, Yeah, but had that's when you really have
Speaker 7: to separate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but had no idea how our the whole
Speaker 1: situation behind the scenes was all faulty. It wasn't all.
Speaker 1: It wasn't right almost on both sides it was. It
Speaker 1: was messy, but it turned out to be the biggest,
Speaker 1: massive blessing that it could have ever been. And it was.
Speaker 1: It was right, and it was it was supposed to
Speaker 1: happen like that, and it's it's paid dividends a million
Speaker 1: times over. But that's the real deal. It was a
Speaker 1: series regular deal went wrong and then it was like
Speaker 1: option to is kill Q. It was never it was
Speaker 1: never like this is what we're gonna do. He was
Speaker 1: supposed to be around.
Speaker 3: All the ways we've been wronged.
Speaker 5: We got robbed of Brooken and uh, uncle Cooper, we
Speaker 5: got robbed to the robbery inventory.
Speaker 7: Damn it.
Speaker 1: She was supposed to be around, guys. It was supposed
Speaker 1: to be around.
Speaker 7: You know what I think is hard and I will
Speaker 7: say on the heels of our strike because we've you know,
Speaker 7: Joy and Hillary and I've really tried to talk to
Speaker 7: the listeners and to the fans about like what the
Speaker 7: industry looks like. You know, I think the strike has
Speaker 7: been really illuminating because we've had so many people message
Speaker 7: us to be like, wow, we had no idea what
Speaker 7: you guys were fighting for, and we had no idea
Speaker 7: what your union did, and we thought like all the
Speaker 7: actors just got paid all the money, like we didn't
Speaker 7: really know that most people are struggling in your industry,
Speaker 7: actors crew, you know. The list goes on, and I
Speaker 7: think it's really powerful when we can kind of like
Speaker 7: remove the veil of illusion, right, and I think something
Speaker 7: that a lot of people don't know, and it leans
Speaker 7: into like, well, why didn't somebody say something if it
Speaker 7: was a me too situation, if there was you know,
Speaker 7: violence in the workplace or misbehavior or whatever. I think
Speaker 7: it's really powerful when we can tell stories like yours
Speaker 7: about how very often young kids become collateral damage of
Speaker 7: grown up egos, like, yeah, we had a bunch of
Speaker 7: grown ups who didn't want to pay you fairly. And
Speaker 7: by the way, that's ridiculous, Like this show was making
Speaker 7: a fortune for a lot of people, not us, unfortunately,
Speaker 7: but a lot of people.
Speaker 5: And people were tuning in for you too, by the way, Yes,
Speaker 5: like you're the really page, you're.
Speaker 7: Fair wages, and they didn't want to and suddenly, like
Speaker 7: a young, unbearably talented person becomes collateral damage because you
Speaker 7: have a grown up manager who's got an ego and
Speaker 7: doesn't want to lose, and we've got grown up executives
Speaker 7: who have egos and don't want to give in. And
Speaker 7: like it's heavy to be the kid who suffers for
Speaker 7: the faults of people old enough to be our parents, right,
Speaker 7: And nobody's.
Speaker 5: Telling us that, by the way, we're just bearing it,
Speaker 5: walking around going I don't know what happened. Maybe I
Speaker 5: wasn't good enough, maybe this, maybe that, and it just
Speaker 5: has nothing to do with us. We're doing the best
Speaker 5: we could do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I guess I just want to say thank
Speaker 7: you for being honest about it, because I think a
Speaker 7: lot of people have been through versions of the story
Speaker 7: you just told. And I mean, I know I have
Speaker 7: my God, and like it is helpful to know that
Speaker 7: there are these practices at play in this space.
Speaker 6: We work in.
Speaker 7: And I do think the more we kind of share
Speaker 7: with each other, like you know, the losses and the winds,
Speaker 7: the better, Like my God, you know me and the
Speaker 7: girls like we tell each we people are always like, well,
Speaker 7: you don't talk about like you know, money or politics
Speaker 7: or whatever added to the list. We're like, hey, what
Speaker 7: did you get on that show? Should we talk? What
Speaker 7: does your contract look like? What provisions are you getting?
Speaker 7: Because I want to go argue, like, we share everything
Speaker 7: you have to now.
Speaker 1: You have to that's so smart by the way.
Speaker 7: You know, Oh yeah, it's like it's how we protect
Speaker 7: each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm just really grateful when people are willing to be
Speaker 7: like you, I want to know what really happened, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I love that stuff.
Speaker 5: Actually, it's such a powerful way also of eliminating the
Speaker 5: stereotype of jealousy and that constant.
Speaker 3: Like keeping a secret and I don't want to know.
Speaker 3: What do you have in this?
Speaker 5: It's just just let's just open up the floor. Let's
Speaker 5: open it all up. There's no reason to be unreasonable
Speaker 5: about whoever's whearing their careers. What's a reasonable thing about
Speaker 5: where you are on the list of you know, earning
Speaker 5: based on your overseas market or what you know what
Speaker 5: those are all things that are very real numbers it's
Speaker 5: totally reasonable to talk about those things.
Speaker 3: And we shouldn't have to.
Speaker 5: Button everything up because we're afraid of each other when
Speaker 5: we could be so much more powerful together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just got to give each other the cheat codes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, you know, I.
Speaker 7: Think it's important and something it's interesting talking about that.
Speaker 6: I saw a cheat code happening in this episode.
Speaker 7: And Robbie, I don't know if you know this, but
Speaker 7: obviously you had such a heavy storyline Quinton and the
Speaker 7: whole Scott family, so you you know, we were all
Speaker 7: hanging out on set every day, but you were doing
Speaker 7: most of your on camera work with Joy and James
Speaker 7: and Jackson and of course Antoine and Chad, and there
Speaker 7: was such a cool thing that, like I got so
Speaker 7: excited about watching this episode back because this was the
Speaker 7: first season that James started directing on our show, and
Speaker 7: he got so passionate about it. I remember he was
Speaker 7: like starting to shadow the producers and starting.
Speaker 6: To shadow Paul and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: And when when Nathan knocked on Brookstore, I had this
Speaker 7: like immediate sense memory moment, Like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 7: I had forgotten this until I saw the scene. James
Speaker 7: went and advocated to the writers that like, in all
Speaker 7: the connecting Nathan was doing with Quenton, we were missing
Speaker 7: the Nathan and Brooke being like essentially the.
Speaker 6: Same characters in high school.
Speaker 7: We were missing them connect as grown ups about their journey.
Speaker 9: And like he pitched that he did. I didn't know that, Yes,
Speaker 9: he pitched that. He was like, I think we're really
Speaker 9: missing an opportunity. And with this character having gone through
Speaker 9: this thing like this violence, I think it's weird that
Speaker 9: this man who's been in her life all this time,
Speaker 9: who's the only person who knows her journey with toxic
Speaker 9: parents and whatever, isn't going to talk to her about it.
Speaker 9: And he was right, soul, it is such a good
Speaker 9: scene and it I just was like, oh my god,
Speaker 9: I remember now he went and like argued that, I
Speaker 9: mean not argued, had this great idea and they loved
Speaker 9: it and they put it in the episode, and I
Speaker 9: was like, whoa he was he was directing before he
Speaker 9: was even directing. Yeah, And like that's a cheat code,
Speaker 9: like having the confidence as an actor six years into
Speaker 9: a job to be like, hey, if this was like
Speaker 9: my real life with my real friends who I've been
Speaker 9: working with for six years, I would immediately go check
Speaker 9: on this person, why aren't we.
Speaker 6: Doing that on camera? And they put it in the show.
Speaker 6: That boy deserves a writing credit.
Speaker 3: So good.
Speaker 5: Wait, okay, wait, let's talk about that scene though, because
Speaker 5: I loved one of my notes here is everyone's acting
Speaker 5: like Brooke is acting normal. Yeah, and it's really strange
Speaker 5: to me, and it's I was so glad to see
Speaker 5: Nathan walk in and even though he didn't acknowledge flat out, hey,
Speaker 5: you're being weird, like this is beyond just you fell
Speaker 5: down the stairs and you have it and you.
Speaker 6: Clearly fall down the stairs. What's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he did. He was preserving her pride and
Speaker 5: privacy and all those things that she was clearly wanting
Speaker 5: to hold on to, but also letting her know, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm here for you in a very real and important
Speaker 5: way beyond a suggestion of therapy, which was nice, but
Speaker 5: still like yeah, was still just not which not noticing
Speaker 5: what's really going on beyond like here's your apartment key,
Speaker 5: and h there's other you know, really big deal things
Speaker 5: happening besides you falling down the stairs, Brook, you know,
Speaker 5: beyond that. He just dropped into a level of acknowledging
Speaker 5: that there was something deeper going on.
Speaker 3: And I appreciated that I.
Speaker 7: Did too, and I liked that he didn't he he
Speaker 7: was really gentle, but he didn't like. Nathan doesn't let
Speaker 7: Brooke get away with it. When she says I'm fine, really,
Speaker 7: his response is that sounds like something I'd say, and
Speaker 7: then he goes into this whole thing like, yes, we've
Speaker 7: experienced a loss, but it doesn't mean your problems are
Speaker 7: any less important.
Speaker 6: And then he reminds her.
Speaker 7: Like love that because there's that freeze of I don't
Speaker 7: know what to share, so he keeps sharing. He reminds
Speaker 7: her of their similar roads, their same clicks in high school,
Speaker 7: of the parents that were like children, we were these
Speaker 7: bad versions of ourselves, and look who we've become. And
Speaker 7: I know how hard it is, and I want I
Speaker 7: don't want you to isolate.
Speaker 6: I want you to come talk.
Speaker 7: To me like I'm an ally here for you. And
Speaker 7: I think there's something so important, Interestingly, because Brooke has
Speaker 7: had this terrible relationship with her parents and they haven't
Speaker 7: been there for her, and Nathan has had this terrible
Speaker 7: relationship with Dan, but like deb is finally showing up
Speaker 7: in a way, now that he has a mom who's
Speaker 7: showing up for him, he's able to show up for
Speaker 7: Brooke as the dad he is as Jamie's dad, but
Speaker 7: he like, I felt like he was being my father
Speaker 7: figure in this scene.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was so kind and like she's just
Speaker 6: never Brook's never had that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's a really interesting thing to be in
Speaker 7: a moment in these characters' lives where like the kids
Speaker 7: are now the parents and you get to be both.
Speaker 7: I just loved it and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: I completely forgot that. The whole reason we had this
Speaker 7: scene is because James was like, hey, writers, you're really
Speaker 7: missing an important.
Speaker 6: Connection here, and they did it. It's like so cool.
Speaker 5: I like the theme of that you were just I
Speaker 5: think you started to get there. But it's that life
Speaker 5: moves on, like everything else, everything keeps going. That's you know,
Speaker 5: thinking about the way that Brooke is grieving and the
Speaker 5: way that Nathan's talking to her. Yeah, let everything moves on,
Speaker 5: but you're still important. Your problem here really matters the
Speaker 5: way that watching Quinton's mother and family grief and in
Speaker 5: this way of like being present in the moment patient
Speaker 5: with their own grief, but also the acknowledgment of life
Speaker 5: moving on. That's how she had the ability to speak
Speaker 5: so much life and love into these six people standing
Speaker 5: in front of her in a moment when it should
Speaker 5: have been all about her, and she had that grace
Speaker 5: to be able to turn it around and give it
Speaker 5: to them, even the.
Speaker 3: Dan and.
Speaker 5: Tory sorry Dan and Cary stuff, which part of me
Speaker 5: wishes they would have paused on that until this episode
Speaker 5: was over, because it just it really does feel so disjointed,
Speaker 5: But even that, there was this element of.
Speaker 1: It all.
Speaker 3: Life just keeps moving on and.
Speaker 5: Hailey in the classroom that is my favorite. That's my
Speaker 5: favorite le teacher moment ever. Yes, the writing was really good. Ough,
Speaker 5: it was really good. It just hit the nail on
Speaker 5: the head. Life moves on and what's it all for?
Speaker 5: And think about something bigger than the moment you're in.
Speaker 5: But be in the moment you're in. Oh God, it's
Speaker 5: so complex.
Speaker 7: Right before we come into that big share for you
Speaker 7: with all the students, all these students that are grieving
Speaker 7: your loss, Robbie, Like, what do we do our friend
Speaker 7: is gone? This person we looked to right before you
Speaker 7: give them essentially the cheat code, the like bigger meaning
Speaker 7: of it all. Peyton does it for me. She says,
Speaker 7: life's too short to let the bitter ones change how
Speaker 7: awesome you are. Yes, and it's that. It's like this
Speaker 7: reminder that it can be over in an instant and
Speaker 7: there is meaning, but you have to claim it. You
Speaker 7: have to choose it. And then we cut to you
Speaker 7: and you're helping a room full of kids choose to
Speaker 7: lean into their community, choose to lean into their grief,
Speaker 7: choose to say the hard thing. Yeah, write it on
Speaker 7: the desk, get it out of your body. This is
Speaker 7: what literature is. This is what life is. It's grief
Speaker 7: and pain and love and relationships. It's like, I think
Speaker 7: the episode feels so big because it hits on the
Speaker 7: things that are while it is so specific because it's
Speaker 7: about Quentin, it hits on the most universal truths we experience.
Speaker 1: As pep Amen yep, right, Yeah, that scene was powerful.
Speaker 1: You and you and those kids. I was like, she
Speaker 1: and they had that kid. It was like, what is
Speaker 1: it awful? You know? I was like yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: and you were just so joy.
Speaker 7: And I even loved that, you know, because this was
Speaker 7: Ashley's first episode coming into your classroom Samantha. I loved
Speaker 7: that they had her narrate the opening and closing of
Speaker 7: the episode.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I loved that the student.
Speaker 3: The outsider, you, yes, the total outsider.
Speaker 7: I can see how much this person affected this place. Really,
Speaker 7: I want that, I want belonging like this. There was
Speaker 7: something more powerful even because she'd never met you.
Speaker 1: For sure. I don't tell you top to bottom. This
Speaker 1: was really an episode.
Speaker 5: It put it really did, like I iconicic, what's the
Speaker 5: word I'm looking for?
Speaker 3: Iconize you? What's the word? It made? It made you
Speaker 3: what I am and I'm I'll say it the other way.
Speaker 3: It made canonized, the orgonized. Let's we'll find it one day.
Speaker 3: But it did.
Speaker 5: It puts you just back in the middle of this
Speaker 5: revolutionary moment in the show. I can't think of well,
Speaker 5: I can, but there's probably on one hand moments in
Speaker 5: the entire series like this you can count on one
Speaker 5: hand that changed the course of everything for everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think like probably Nathan and Haley's marriage was a
Speaker 5: really big that kind of shifted at the everything got
Speaker 5: flipped a little upside down, and Peyton and Brooke and
Speaker 5: the kidnapping, psychoederic attack kind of thing, was pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: And then and then this, I don't after this, I
Speaker 5: don't even know what happens.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't even care. This is it.
Speaker 3: It was the pinnacle of our show.
Speaker 1: It was crazy to say the it did. It really
Speaker 1: affected every day so beautiful. You've met so many new
Speaker 1: characters and like, it just it was like a catalyst
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know the next phase of the show.
Speaker 5: Have you had to have people have you had to
Speaker 5: walk people through anything as you've had fans come up
Speaker 5: to you over time, has it ever been beyond just
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, you were so great. I cried so
Speaker 5: hard when you died. Have you ever had anybody come
Speaker 5: up and share something with you that you've like that
Speaker 5: that the process of grieving Quentin or what they what
Speaker 5: they went through with that where you really had to
Speaker 5: like you got to connect with somebody in a more
Speaker 5: meaningful way.
Speaker 1: I would love to say yes, that would sound so deep.
Speaker 3: And dude, it's all right, But we're asking the question.
Speaker 5: Because we get people come up all the time and
Speaker 5: they're like, you know, when this happened or when that happened,
Speaker 5: it was meaningful to me because ABC, So yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's it's more it's it's more like we
Speaker 1: have we share some laughs because it's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I cried so much when you died. You were alive though,
Speaker 1: you're alive. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm alive. Yeah, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: I'm here, you know. She was still you know yeah,
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh my gosh, it's so amazing. Can
Speaker 1: I can like touch you? You're at all live? This
Speaker 1: is awesome that that has happened so many times, and
Speaker 1: that's always funny. And then it's just like, Okay, see
Speaker 1: you later. Oh my gosh, alive. That's kind of it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: What was really sort of striking to me about this is,
Speaker 7: you know, because this is obviously the beginning of season six,
Speaker 7: and it was the beginning of season three when we
Speaker 7: dealt with our first real experience of storytelling around gun
Speaker 7: violence on the show, and to think about, I don't know,
Speaker 7: there's something that sort of took my breath away last
Speaker 7: week watching six oh two when this happens to you,
Speaker 7: I was like, oh wow, it's only the second time
Speaker 7: that we've talked about this in six years. And it
Speaker 7: was sort of this moment before we watched this today,
Speaker 7: I looked up because I was like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 7: out in the world, we experience more and more of
Speaker 7: these incidents, and more and more of these incidents, especially
Speaker 7: that affect high school kids, school aged kids, And I
Speaker 7: was like, what was sort of changing there? And this
Speaker 7: was two thousand and eight, and the assault weapons ban
Speaker 7: expired in two thousand and four, and you know, we've
Speaker 7: seen a two hundred and fifty eight percent increase in
Speaker 7: these gun violence incidents in schools since. And there was
Speaker 7: there was like something that also really like sort of
Speaker 7: broke my heart about that, about the fact that when
Speaker 7: we were making our show, this was still like a
Speaker 7: like a relatively rare occurrence. And part of me just
Speaker 7: wants to acknowledge because you know, we do have so
Speaker 7: many people rewatching it, and we have so many kids
Speaker 7: in high school that we meet now as you're saying,
Speaker 7: at these events that are so beautiful where their community gathers,
Speaker 7: but like kids who only know this, who only know
Speaker 7: that like every couple of days or every other week,
Speaker 7: there's another one of these incidents that happens and they
Speaker 7: lose classmates. And I don't I don't have you know,
Speaker 7: an answer, but I just feel like it's worth like
Speaker 7: taking one moment to acknowledge that, you know, there's like
Speaker 7: a heartbreak too in the fact that this used to
Speaker 7: be rare when we were making a show about high
Speaker 7: school and now it's really common. And I don't know,
Speaker 7: I just want to hold any like a moment of
Speaker 7: space for anybody who's listening with us, who like this
Speaker 7: might be really triggering for we just like we have
Speaker 7: this crisis and this problem and we're losing people all
Speaker 7: the time.
Speaker 6: And I don't know, I.
Speaker 7: Think because of how honest this episode felt and to
Speaker 7: your point, like the scenes with the actress who played
Speaker 7: your mom, Robbie, like, I don't know, I just as
Speaker 7: we're talking, I'm really struck by the fact that I'm
Speaker 7: proud of how sensitively we handled this because I know
Speaker 7: that this is a lot of people at home's real story.
Speaker 5: It was it was handled very sensitively. There was so
Speaker 5: much nuance involved in processing of the violence, which is
Speaker 5: unusual also today, and I really, yeah, it was. That
Speaker 5: was strange to see all of the all of the violence,
Speaker 5: all the back and forth, even with the Nanny Carey
Speaker 5: stuff that felt clunky and awkward, not because the actors
Speaker 5: but just because we were in this dance, this flow
Speaker 5: of Quentin and then moving into it another thing, but
Speaker 5: then seeing the grief in someone who is committing violence
Speaker 5: out of this place of grief causing a psychotic break,
Speaker 5: I guess. I mean, it's just there's just so much
Speaker 5: nuance and in pain. Yeah, you're right, we did. We did.
Speaker 5: We all did a really nice job with that, and
Speaker 5: the writers really did as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I appreciated the tenderness and even to your point, like
Speaker 7: part of me wishes we got a pause with the
Speaker 7: wild like Nanny Carey Dan, you know, crazy like Kathy
Speaker 7: Bank's storyline. But I even appreciated that, because of the
Speaker 7: heaviness of the loss of Quentin, they actually gave us
Speaker 7: a peek behind the curtain at Nanny Carey, having needed
Speaker 7: that we needed to understand.
Speaker 1: Why can I interject really quickly please and give a big,
Speaker 1: big kudos and shout out to Don Lewis.
Speaker 3: Down that was her name. I knew it.
Speaker 1: Yes, remarkable, just to give some levity here a different
Speaker 1: world watching Don Lewis every week on TV, a different
Speaker 1: world as Jalisa, and when I found out and when
Speaker 1: I'm when I met her on set and she was mom.
Speaker 1: I found out she was gonna be my mom. I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, I'm really an actor. I'm really on TV.
Speaker 1: My mom's Jalisa from.
Speaker 6: A different world.
Speaker 5: Loved I loved that.
Speaker 3: Me too, Me too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, can't we just give a salute to
Speaker 1: her amazing performance? Yes, she killed those scenes on that
Speaker 1: in that episode and all this.
Speaker 3: So much dignity and grace.
Speaker 1: Wow, So shout out to donaldis.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 7: And you know what, Don, I shared such a special experience,
Speaker 7: like a special moment with Don. She because it was
Speaker 7: two thousand and eight, and you know, I'd been running
Speaker 7: around working on the presidential campaign for a year and
Speaker 7: and she and I watched the election results come in
Speaker 7: when Barack Obama got elected.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: We were together at a restaurant watching on like all
Speaker 7: the all the sports, all the TVs that normally ran
Speaker 7: sports in Wilmington were running the election and and I
Speaker 7: was crying, and I looked to my left and Don
Speaker 7: was sitting next to me, and she just started to sob.
Speaker 7: And it was this like unbelievably profound moment because there
Speaker 7: was so much hope and I was watching this incredible
Speaker 7: moment in history with this incredible, like respected iconic actress,
Speaker 7: this this powerhouse of a black woman who just said
Speaker 7: I didn't know if I'd ever get to see this.
Speaker 6: And she just started to sob.
Speaker 7: And I wrapped my arms around her and I was like,
Speaker 7: we don't know each other very well, but I love you,
Speaker 7: you know, because we were there together as we always
Speaker 7: are often are in these moments like we're away from
Speaker 7: our families, we're away from people because we're working together
Speaker 7: and it's beautiful, but it can be strange when like
Speaker 7: a monumental thing happens.
Speaker 3: She and I just.
Speaker 6: Sat there holding each other crying, being like what is
Speaker 6: this is magical?
Speaker 3: It was wild, It was so.
Speaker 6: Good that Yeah, it was so so special.
Speaker 1: I just love her. I love that.
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm really good, I'm here with you.
Speaker 1: That's a great story. Wow.
Speaker 5: I have a question. I want to pivot a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's just because I want to get through some of
Speaker 5: these notes and make sure we hit all. You made
Speaker 5: a comment when we were watching Sophia when we did
Speaker 5: the scene in the mirror with the lipstick. You said
Speaker 5: I hated that scene and it wasn't even a I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess it was a scene but it was just
Speaker 5: a shot, really.
Speaker 3: A page moment, so she's staring in the mirror. It's
Speaker 3: the same thing as the writing.
Speaker 5: On the on the projector board, you know, when it's
Speaker 5: all the like not good enough, not blah blah blah enough.
Speaker 5: It was the same type of deal, but it was
Speaker 5: now we're doing beautiful mind or what's that? What's the
Speaker 5: Matt Damon one?
Speaker 6: Revenge payback?
Speaker 7: And I was, ya, we did one of these ones
Speaker 7: where we projected words on my face and it was
Speaker 7: so profound.
Speaker 6: And this feels so lame.
Speaker 5: Oh no, written in lipstick on the mirror, circling her
Speaker 5: bruises with a word on.
Speaker 7: It, and like one's a square and one's a circle
Speaker 7: and one's a triangle.
Speaker 6: I'm like, what weird shapes? Mad lips?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 3: Like it was just so it was bad, And I
Speaker 3: was like, could I not.
Speaker 7: Have just looked in the mirror like you guys have
Speaker 7: me like shooting a gun straight down the lens of
Speaker 7: camera in this episode, I think people can tell I'm
Speaker 7: pretty upset, Like I don't know if we needed avenge
Speaker 7: and payback.
Speaker 3: She likes to write on walls. I'm down.
Speaker 6: I just thought it was so cheesy.
Speaker 5: Did you have to stand there while they set that
Speaker 5: shot up? Because how else did they how else did
Speaker 5: they circle the bruises.
Speaker 3: In the right place and all that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I must have.
Speaker 7: I must have stood there for the shapes. And then
Speaker 7: they like drew in the words while I attempted not
Speaker 7: to expire from embarrassment, and then we rolled.
Speaker 3: You commit it to it, I realize it.
Speaker 7: It's your point, Robbie. Paul Johansson is a good team captain.
Speaker 7: He's like, you got to commit. You don't have to
Speaker 7: like it, but you have to commit.
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh man.
Speaker 1: This is all just so hilarious to be the look
Speaker 1: at your face when she started talking about the.
Speaker 6: Same I knew. I was like, oh God, here we go.
Speaker 6: It's just like.
Speaker 7: And I get that not everything can be the best,
Speaker 7: not every scene can be the best scene. But sometimes
Speaker 7: I'm just like, we're so much better than this.
Speaker 6: This is what we're doing. This whole episode is so good,
Speaker 6: and this feels this feels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit of a stretch.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 6: I didn't love it, but I committed, so.
Speaker 7: Really, you know what, I will say though, because I
Speaker 7: really do think, like jokes aside about how embarrassed I was,
Speaker 7: there was so much that was so subtle in this episode.
Speaker 7: Like I have so many notes about things like the
Speaker 7: ease you see between Lucas and Peyton, Like there's a
Speaker 7: gentleness between Hillary and Chad that is so beautiful in
Speaker 7: this episode. There is a there is a quiet you
Speaker 7: need it, and there's like there's a quiet to the
Speaker 7: hurt that you see people expressing. Like Antoine's entire performance
Speaker 7: in this episode is so beautiful. It's reserved and it's
Speaker 7: honest and it's heart broken. And when it cuts to
Speaker 7: him in another you know, eighth of a page moment
Speaker 7: standing in the gym alone on the logo, crying, Like
Speaker 7: everything in the episode was so subtle and beautiful, and
Speaker 7: I think maybe that's why my like face art stood out.
Speaker 6: I was like, this isn't subtle.
Speaker 3: Mad lips face, lipstick face, Lik's not we.
Speaker 6: Don't need to do this, it's too much.
Speaker 7: Everything is so gentle and so beautiful in this whole script.
Speaker 5: Wich one was great, by the way, Like that was
Speaker 5: so great, and that's in my notes too. He really
Speaker 5: nailed it and he doesn't get a chance in our
Speaker 5: show to be emotional. Very often. He's one of the
Speaker 5: comic relief guys. He's relied upon to come in with
Speaker 5: some sincere advice on occasion, and also be funny.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this felt.
Speaker 5: Great to see him just be allowed to express himself
Speaker 5: in a new way.
Speaker 7: I mean when under his breath he said to Chad,
Speaker 7: how does a mother ever breathe again? Oh yeah, it
Speaker 7: sucker punched me right in the heart. I was like, no,
Speaker 7: it hurts.
Speaker 6: I can't me too. It's just beautiful. He was beautiful.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to take a poll, though. It's deb
Speaker 5: walking over to skills in the funeral, Yes, what do
Speaker 5: we think about this? What do we think about this?
Speaker 3: Yes or no? Is it appropriate or is it not?
Speaker 6: Here's the thing.
Speaker 7: As a human Robbie is dying, you want to hold
Speaker 7: the person you love.
Speaker 6: Yes, as a human.
Speaker 7: Who is having sex with her, I feel like it's
Speaker 7: not the moment hold your son.
Speaker 6: I was like, this is when you're gonna reveal.
Speaker 1: I thin it out loud.
Speaker 3: You said, big reveal. I mean, like everybody can't be perfect.
Speaker 5: I loved it for our show and for storyline purposes, and.
Speaker 3: For the drama.
Speaker 5: Yes, it had to happen, but cringe.
Speaker 3: I just had to bring it up. I had to.
Speaker 5: You see her like look over at skills and we
Speaker 5: both just went oh no.
Speaker 7: And then not only she didn't just like go put
Speaker 7: her arm around him, she put her arm under his
Speaker 7: shoulder and then she put her other arm around her
Speaker 7: tummy snuggled like the lower tummy touch is so intimate.
Speaker 1: Who loves not right, I've never recalled that before. That's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mee y.
Speaker 5: I don't have anything else except Jamie is the most
Speaker 5: advanced five year old ever. That's all that I have
Speaker 5: here sewing a cape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, right.
Speaker 5: I think he was eight twelve. I think he was eight.
Speaker 5: He probably should have been. He had to be five
Speaker 5: for the timeline of the show. But I never met
Speaker 5: a five year old that was making those kinds of
Speaker 5: decisions and having those conversations.
Speaker 7: I'm advocating for himself to go to the funeral and dressing.
Speaker 3: Himself in his little suit.
Speaker 7: Oh man, the crooked tie ruined me. I was like, okay,
Speaker 7: I'm done.
Speaker 1: He can. The way the way they wrote him processing
Speaker 1: all of this was so good. It was like he
Speaker 1: just was trying to like continue on, Oh, he's gonna
Speaker 1: love this cape, blah blah blah. And then when he
Speaker 1: just drops it on the oh.
Speaker 6: My gosh, it's a heartbreak.
Speaker 1: Drops it on the basket, You're just like, oh my heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I love that.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that sent Brooke over the edge too.
Speaker 5: It was like, finally she broke and could really saw that,
Speaker 5: which we've been waiting for, been holding our breath for
Speaker 5: like three episodes for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, And I think when you are when you are
Speaker 7: in that state, when you're experiencing, you've experienced trauma and
Speaker 7: you are dissociating, it often can't be your own thing
Speaker 7: that puts you back in your feelings. It's something you
Speaker 7: witness another person go through.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 7: And oh boy, like the way that it cracked her
Speaker 7: in the story, it really it did to me.
Speaker 6: It did it to me today.
Speaker 7: The minute he opened that little box, I was like
Speaker 7: here go, oh god it.
Speaker 6: I was sobbing. It's like it's so.
Speaker 5: It's so intense.
Speaker 7: It's just such a pure moment. And yeah, we were
Speaker 7: we were so honest about grief in this episode. And
Speaker 7: I think it's probably why everybody always cries because it's
Speaker 7: it's impossible to sit with this with this little boy
Speaker 7: and not sit with your own emotion.
Speaker 5: Right, how old are your kids again?
Speaker 1: And five?
Speaker 3: Two and five?
Speaker 5: I mean, as you've got a five year old, you've
Speaker 5: got somebody who's supposed to be Jamie's age right now.
Speaker 1: I know, And I'm just like, imagine her trying to
Speaker 1: process some grief right now. I try to keep it
Speaker 1: so far away from if we have anything that that
Speaker 1: pops up like that. Yeah, she's not going to go
Speaker 1: to the funeral. I'll just go, you know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: she doesn't need to be dealing with that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff right now.
Speaker 5: So yeah, oh yeah. That was another thing Nathan with
Speaker 5: the flashback of the funeral with his grandfather and Dan
Speaker 5: talking about what a crazy story.
Speaker 3: I don't have anything to say about it. I just
Speaker 3: it was on my mind, that's all.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: That was one of those other moments where you were like, huh,
Speaker 7: interesting choice in this episode.
Speaker 5: We needed to do that, and I feel like there
Speaker 5: was time we could have spent other places, But okay,
Speaker 5: I would have much rather seen a flashback of Quinton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did we even see him at all in the episode?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, just photos of you. It was just photos
Speaker 6: of you with your family.
Speaker 7: What I did love was getting to finally meet Quinton's
Speaker 7: little brother.
Speaker 3: That kid was so cute and he was so sweet
Speaker 3: and good. I said to remember what a sweetest was.
Speaker 6: Just a sweet little angel.
Speaker 7: And the connection between him and Jackson, Yeah, was so
Speaker 7: special because you got to see these kids figure it
Speaker 7: out a little bit together. And oh my god, when
Speaker 7: your little brother got up and took your place in
Speaker 7: the line with the team and put your jersey up,
Speaker 7: I saw, I just ugly cried.
Speaker 6: I was like, I gotta go, oh oh yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all the little details were really beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I had met that little boy. I met all
Speaker 1: of them, Don and the little brother and all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like to see this little boy doing that.
Speaker 1: What wow?
Speaker 5: And that little boy's what I remember the most about
Speaker 5: this episode, besides standing at the grave side.
Speaker 1: He's a grown man now. It will be really interesting
Speaker 1: to see if he remembers any of this stuff.
Speaker 7: Okay, So Jessica's question is really good and so on
Speaker 7: topic and it's actually for you and me.
Speaker 1: Joy.
Speaker 7: She says, do you remember how Jackson handled the filming
Speaker 7: of Quentin's funeral as his character's mom and godmother, How
Speaker 7: did you two walk him through the weight of this episode?
Speaker 7: It feels like a lot to handle for a young kid.
Speaker 1: Mmm, it's a great question.
Speaker 6: I do think it's important to touch on something. We
Speaker 6: were just speaking about that.
Speaker 7: Even though Jamie is five, Jackson was eight or nine
Speaker 7: years old by this point. Yes, so he was much more.
Speaker 7: He had many more years under his belt of sort
Speaker 7: of awareness. And I think, honestly, you know, we really
Speaker 7: deferred to his mom at this point. It was like,
Speaker 7: how do you want us to talk to him about this?
Speaker 7: Should we just make set fun? You know, she really
Speaker 7: had to talk to him about what wasn't real, but
Speaker 7: what was being represented and why it deserved reverence and
Speaker 7: respect but didn't have to really be sad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he feels important.
Speaker 5: I think that's absolutely right. And he was also at
Speaker 5: an age where he was already watching. He was watching movies,
Speaker 5: and he was you know, he was seeing you know,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff that like a seven eight
Speaker 5: year old boys are watching that where you see people die,
Speaker 5: you see people sad and grieving and all this kind
Speaker 5: of stuf that are it's probably more action movies and stuff,
Speaker 5: but I think he's still had experienced watching a lot
Speaker 5: of that, so I felt like he was just mimicking
Speaker 5: and doing his best based on what he had seen,
Speaker 5: and he did a great job. And but I don't
Speaker 5: I think set was kind of fun. I know he
Speaker 5: missed you, Robbie. I know he really was upset that
Speaker 5: you were gone. He was, Yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 5: he was. He wasn't like sad, crying upset, like this
Speaker 5: is real. I think it was just like he was
Speaker 5: super bummed that you guys got on, Like he had
Speaker 5: so much fun with you, and it was like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm here, I am making friends. It was like probably
Speaker 5: the first introduction to one of the hardest parts of
Speaker 5: this industry, which is make friends go away, make new
Speaker 5: friends go away, make new friends go away. That's hard
Speaker 5: and for a kid to have to get introduced to that,
Speaker 5: it's just tough. So yeah, I know he was upset
Speaker 5: about that, But in terms of the weight and the
Speaker 5: heaviness of the storyline, I think it felt like probably
Speaker 5: in every other day on set thing, he was just
Speaker 5: doing what he doing.
Speaker 3: What he did was being an actor.
Speaker 7: And I think because he'd been with us for a
Speaker 7: whole year at this point. He got so good at
Speaker 7: mirroring energy. So when scenes were playful and we'd play
Speaker 7: with him, like when you guys would dance in the gym,
Speaker 7: he was ready to play. And if everyone was serious,
Speaker 7: he knew he was also supposed to be serious. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And I think that made it easier for him. I
Speaker 7: would have probably been a little not worried, but like
Speaker 7: more concerned if this had been his third episode ever.
Speaker 7: But it was his third episode of his second season.
Speaker 7: He was so practiced with us by then that I
Speaker 7: think the sort of safety of our on set family
Speaker 7: also was really helpful. And you know, his mom was
Speaker 7: around every day, so he had a lot of people
Speaker 7: to go to and talk to and process with and
Speaker 7: answer his questions.
Speaker 6: It's a really good question though, Thank you, Jessica.
Speaker 3: Thanks Jessica.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Should we spin a wheel? Should we end on
Speaker 6: a high note?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 7: Please, Robbie, you didn't get to do this with us
Speaker 7: last time. We like to do we spin a wheel
Speaker 7: every week and we figure out what you're most likely.
Speaker 5: Too is well, you know high school yearbook, like, most
Speaker 5: likely to succeed, most likely to open up a business
Speaker 5: in a small town.
Speaker 7: Who is most likely to you read it, most likely
Speaker 7: to go skinny dipping at a hotel? Okay, so what
Speaker 7: character do you think and what actual cast member do
Speaker 7: you think?
Speaker 6: We do both?
Speaker 1: Oh oh ah? What's character do I think it's most
Speaker 1: likely to go skinny dipping in an hotel? And which
Speaker 1: cast member I think it's most likely to go skinney
Speaker 1: dipper at a hotel? That is a great one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I love it. You let my wheels turn.
Speaker 3: Are you making that Facebook?
Speaker 6: Because it's you?
Speaker 1: No, but definitely quin and you look like you have.
Speaker 6: A cute secret and I can't wait to hear what
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 1: Oh well, well, always have a little something.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, what character do we think?
Speaker 1: The character that I think that will be most likely
Speaker 1: to go skinny dipping at a hotel is crazy Nanny Torrie, okay,
Speaker 1: Nanny Carrey, I put all her names together, Nanny Carey.
Speaker 1: I think she would do it in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: Or Barbara Barbara in real life. Yeah, that is I
Speaker 3: was gonna say deb I was too. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know if Barba would go skinny dipping in
Speaker 5: a hotel, but maybe she would.
Speaker 1: I feel like she would she gives those mones.
Speaker 7: Y'all, here's what I'm going to say. I mean, Robbie,
Speaker 7: you are one of our favorite family men. But for
Speaker 7: your friends over here who've been divorced, like, Phase two
Speaker 7: is always a little wild. If Barbara is in, Barbara
Speaker 7: is in the sexiest Phase two I've ever seen a
Speaker 7: human be in. So like, if phase two Barbara is
Speaker 7: down to skinny.
Speaker 6: Dip, like I'm not I'm not like a naked person.
Speaker 7: But if Barbara was like, we're going skinny dipping, I'd
Speaker 7: be like, get let's go.
Speaker 6: Like I would do.
Speaker 7: Anything that woman told me at this point. So like
Speaker 7: all thats are off, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, though, Guys, I really think in
Speaker 5: real life the person who would actually go skinny dipping
Speaker 5: in a hotel is Moira Kelly.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 3: I really believe that.
Speaker 6: I love that answer.
Speaker 7: She's a sleeper hit. She didn't expend it, but then
Speaker 7: it tracks.
Speaker 5: She's so fun though she loves to party, she loves
Speaker 5: to have fun. She just is like she keeps it
Speaker 5: all under wraps. But I one thousand percent see her
Speaker 5: at two o'clock in the morning, being like.
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, let's go. Come on, nobody's gonna see.
Speaker 3: That's good, being like.
Speaker 7: Look, all the windows are dark, no one will see us,
Speaker 7: and if they do, who cares.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, Robbie. This was amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Honny. This is great, This is beautiful.
Speaker 7: You are such a treat and thank you, you know,
Speaker 7: for our friends at home. We are recording this episode
Speaker 7: the day before Thanksgiving, as happens when people live all
Speaker 7: over the country and have children to wrangle. Hillary had
Speaker 7: a kid upside down moment and had to run and
Speaker 7: fill in for something going on on the East Coast,
Speaker 7: and we called Robbie and we're like, hey, what are
Speaker 7: you doing in five minutes? Do you want to get
Speaker 7: on a zoom with us and be our third co
Speaker 7: host today? And this sweet angel of a man said yes.
Speaker 7: So thank you for not only being the best human,
Speaker 7: but like for always showing up when your people need you.
Speaker 6: It's always a joy.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, and I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: We love you, We love you.
Speaker 1: This was such a pleasure, so much. Always great see
Speaker 1: your faces.
Speaker 3: Yes, we love you.
Speaker 5: Next episode, Season six, episode for a Bridge Over troubled water. Yep,
Speaker 5: here we go again.
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