Speaker 1: You're listening to The Hottest, The Hottest it be a
Speaker 1: podcast out here. I said what I said, it's the Check.
Speaker 2: On this episode of The Heat Check, I am perplexed
Speaker 2: and fired up about what's happening with the Detroit Pistons,
Speaker 2: because damn, how are they so bad?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 2: We also get into Who's hot, Who's cold? And finally
Speaker 2: we have an episode and I'm joined by my guys,
Speaker 2: Damian Barling and Kenny Carroway of Dilo and Casey Show
Speaker 2: to break down the latest happenings in the NBA. The
Speaker 2: I s T, by the way, is lit as fuck,
Speaker 2: So let's get into it, William and drop that motherfucking
Speaker 2: beat that should be rhon. It's time, It's time, It's time.
Speaker 2: I saw stat and I was befuddled, I was intrigued,
Speaker 2: I was shook, and then I became quite fired up
Speaker 2: because the Detroit Pistons. I said, maybe the Memphis Grizzlies
Speaker 2: were the worst roster in basketball, but the truth is
Speaker 2: it's probably the Detroit Pistons. They are so bad. If
Speaker 2: we were to create an expansion team where you know,
Speaker 2: an expansion team, how the process works is the way
Speaker 2: that they build their roster as they, you know, pick
Speaker 2: the bones off of every other team in the NBA.
Speaker 2: They get to choose a player and then they steal
Speaker 2: them outs and you get to have your franchise guys
Speaker 2: that are unstealable. Outside of the unstealable guys, the Auser, Thompson's,
Speaker 2: the Cade, Cunninghams, the Jalen Durrenz, there's nobody, maybe Marcus Sasser.
Speaker 2: There's nobody you would want to steal. You'd say, eh,
Speaker 2: if you're an expansion team, I'm good. You can just
Speaker 2: keep all the shit you got going on. This year,
Speaker 2: they got wax The reason that we're talking about this
Speaker 2: is that on Monday Night they got absolutely waxed by
Speaker 2: the two and fourteen Washington Wizards. It was not a
Speaker 2: competitive pillow fight whatsoever. It was a straight beat down,
Speaker 2: and I believe it was in Detroit. You got beat
Speaker 2: the fuck down by Jordan Pool and Kyle Kuzma, a
Speaker 2: bang up. Jordan Poole gave you buckets. Woof. I am.
Speaker 2: I am absolutely livid, fired up to the point where
Speaker 2: I might have the vein popping in the middle of
Speaker 2: my forehead about how they got to this point. I
Speaker 2: want to properly frame the scope for you the problem.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty twenty two, the same four teams, the
Speaker 2: Houston Rockets, the Orlando Magic, the OKC Thunder, and the
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons finished in the bottom four of the NBA
Speaker 2: two years in a row, same four teams. This is
Speaker 2: when you stock up on lottery picks and you build
Speaker 2: up your coffers. You're obviously your cabinets are bare, you
Speaker 2: have nothing, and so you tank systematically. Maybe sometimes not
Speaker 2: by design, but I think for these teams by design.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, the Rockets finished twenty two and
Speaker 2: sixty last place, the Magic finished in thirteenth place, thirty
Speaker 2: four and forty eight in the East, the OKC Thunder
Speaker 2: finished in tenth place forty and forty two, and the
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons finished with the worst record in basketball at
Speaker 2: seventeen wins and sixty five losses. This year, because this
Speaker 2: is where it gets stunning. Orlando the Magic, the team
Speaker 2: that I have chastised for not having any fans and
Speaker 2: not being worthy of even a breath of discussion besides
Speaker 2: ten seconds of the word Orlando Magic, they are now
Speaker 2: one of the most fun teams in the East, one
Speaker 2: of the most fun teams in the NBA the Sacramento
Speaker 2: Kings of the East. They are now second in the
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference. OKC is now second in the West. The
Speaker 2: Rockets have one of the best defenses in the league.
Speaker 2: They are seventh in the West. And where are our
Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons at Little Caesar Caesar Arena? They're dead fucking last.
Speaker 2: They are dead fucking last, Like I said, getting waxed
Speaker 2: by Kyle Kuzma and Jordan Poole. Are you serious? How
Speaker 2: is it possible to have all these fucking lottery picks,
Speaker 2: including the number one overall draft pick, and still be
Speaker 2: dead fucking last when other teams in the EXAs exact
Speaker 2: same spot as you are now rising to the top
Speaker 2: like the cream. You are steel scum and they are
Speaker 2: the cream of the crop. To me, it could probably
Speaker 2: start with Kid Cunningham. But the truth is I had
Speaker 2: this debate, and so we started kind of talking through
Speaker 2: the debate, and you could say it starts with Kay
Speaker 2: Cunningham because he's not consistent for a one A. He's
Speaker 2: probably closer to a one beror a one seed, but
Speaker 2: you need him to be a one A because the
Speaker 2: rest of your roster is fucking trash. And if you
Speaker 2: need Kid Cunningham to perform for you every night, like
Speaker 2: he's Janet Jackson, like he's Dave Matthews band had Harrold,
Speaker 2: like he needs to be on tour three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty five days a year and giving you twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty points a night, You're just You're just sunk.
Speaker 2: Your team is now in disarray. And we've been going
Speaker 2: back and forth about Kate being incredibly inefficient. We talked
Speaker 2: about him being dead last in offensive statistics. But the
Speaker 2: truth is Kate Cunningham's lack of production and you being
Speaker 2: upset about Kate Cunningham's lack of production has more to do.
Speaker 2: Is a symptom really of the sickness, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you get a headache, that ache's not
Speaker 2: the problem. It's maybe you are dehydrated. You may need
Speaker 2: some water. And this roster is thirsty as fuck. That's
Speaker 2: the truth. And blaming it on Kate Cunningham. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: Kate Cunningham's not the one A. But Kate Cunningham didn't
Speaker 2: ask you to take him number one overall when he
Speaker 2: did absolutely nothing in college besides put up statistics and
Speaker 2: give you the bus face. It was not up to
Speaker 2: cad as to where he went in the draft. He
Speaker 2: gets paid, he plays basketball, and it's up to you
Speaker 2: to surround him with talent to make Cade shine. Why
Speaker 2: are OKC, Houston and Orlando all on the rise because
Speaker 2: not only do they get tremendous production out of their
Speaker 2: draft picks shake Gilgess Alexander which is for the Clippers
Speaker 2: that they traded for Paolo Player of the Week this
Speaker 2: last week, alprin Shangoon. But they have other players to
Speaker 2: support them. What other players on this Detroit Pistons team
Speaker 2: do you have besides Jalen Duran that you can rely on?
Speaker 2: Why would you? It's really an issue. Just did not
Speaker 2: switch gears. Troy Weaver fucking sucks the GM. You probably
Speaker 2: don't even know his name if you're a casual fan.
Speaker 2: The GM of the Detroit Pistons needs to be held
Speaker 2: to account because he thinks he's smarter than everybody else
Speaker 2: because he says it like he is. For example, last year,
Speaker 2: I think they drafted fifth and he was like, I
Speaker 2: don't care where we draft, I'm gonna get my guy
Speaker 2: no matter what. He has some sort of crystal ball
Speaker 2: like Troy Weaver. We have belief in is the guy
Speaker 2: that's smarter than every other man in the room. I'm sorry, Uh,
Speaker 2: do you think that you're Sam Presty Because you are not, sir.
Speaker 2: You do not have the credibility or the track record
Speaker 2: or the pedigree of the boy wonder Sam Presty. So
Speaker 2: you don't get up on your press conference booth and
Speaker 2: start talking all that shit like no matter who you draft,
Speaker 2: you're going to hit a win. No, this roster is
Speaker 2: constructed in a way that makes absolutely no sense. You
Speaker 2: draft Jade and Ivy when you could have gotten Jayalen Williams.
Speaker 2: Jade and Ivy is a point guard who's ball dominant
Speaker 2: and can't shoot, just like Kate Cunningham. Why would you
Speaker 2: pair them together? Even a five year old would know
Speaker 2: that doesn't make no damn sense. Jalen Williams would have
Speaker 2: helped it your team out tremendously great glue guy, can shoot,
Speaker 2: a little bit, tough, can play defense, can handle the
Speaker 2: ball like he's a wing. You have no wings. You
Speaker 2: look at the center position, speaking of redundancy and the
Speaker 2: holes in the roster. I like Jalen Duran, but you
Speaker 2: already had Isaiah Stewart. And maybe you didn't know what
Speaker 2: Jalen Duran was gonna be, but you probably seem like
Speaker 2: you knew what Jalen Duran was gonna be. Why because
Speaker 2: you traded up in the first round to go and
Speaker 2: get them who went right after Jalen Fucking Jalen Williams.
Speaker 2: You could have gotten, You could have gotten Jade and
Speaker 2: Ivy and Jalen Williams. But you didn't. Why because you
Speaker 2: got bamboozled and hoodwinked by who the boy Wonder Sam Presty.
Speaker 2: This team has five point guards, they have five centers.
Speaker 2: They've got Marvin Bagley, James Wiseman, Isaiah Stewart, Jalen Duran.
Speaker 2: They have five guards, Killian Hayes, Cad Cunningham, Marcus Sasser,
Speaker 2: Alec Burks. Why is Alec Burks on this team? Why
Speaker 2: is Monte Morris on this team? Also, you've got Joe Harris, Burks,
Speaker 2: Morris and Harris combined making forty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Make it make sense? Respectfully, My question for you is
Speaker 2: who is a winning player on this team? Like anybody,
Speaker 2: has anybody done anything of note at any level at
Speaker 2: any point in their career on this Detroit Pistons team.
Speaker 2: Why did you draft Luca Garza, Why did you draft
Speaker 2: Killian Hayes at seven? Why did you trade two second
Speaker 2: round picks for Joe Harris. It boils down to this.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think this organization doesn't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to believe that this organization believes they're at
Speaker 2: the antique road show and they can identify antiquities that
Speaker 2: have value that no one else could figure out a
Speaker 2: way to make work aka James Wiseman aka Marvin Bagley,
Speaker 2: both number two overall picks, and that they have the
Speaker 2: skills to those guys who have been busted elsewhere into
Speaker 2: some sort of star. I am sorry, you don't know
Speaker 2: how to identify talent or antiquities, and you sure as
Speaker 2: hell don't know how to restore them. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: who they drafted, Seiku dan Boya at fifteen, not twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: That was before Troy Weaver. Will let that be twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Killian Hayes number seven, that is a travesty. You also
Speaker 2: traded for Sadik bay at nineteen, Oh my god, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, k number one all allow it all allow it.
Speaker 2: Do I like it? No, I do not, but I
Speaker 2: will allow it. Jade and Ivy number five in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty twenty three, and by the way, Jade
Speaker 2: and Ivy number five horrible, just horrible. Lots of guys
Speaker 2: that could have gone after Jade and Ivy and did
Speaker 2: go after Jade and Ivy that they passed on in
Speaker 2: the Killian Hayes draft. They could have gotten Tyrese Haliburt,
Speaker 2: Oscar Thompson at five.
Speaker 3: Fine.
Speaker 2: I like Oscar Thompson, He's good, But nobody can shoot
Speaker 2: on this team besides bogged On and Joe Harris. You're like,
Speaker 2: let's get some old white dudes to be shooters and
Speaker 2: all the other guys will be the ones that can,
Speaker 2: like do whatever else. How do you fix the pistons, Well,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to believe that the way that you fix
Speaker 2: it is uh to rip the whole thing up and
Speaker 2: tear it, burn it down. The whole thing smells like
Speaker 2: must it smells fishy, it smells like me when I've
Speaker 2: been standing out in the rain. Smells a little too
Speaker 2: much like wet dog to me. It's gross. Folks. Tear
Speaker 2: it up, rip it apart, fire everyone and figure out
Speaker 2: a way to get better at people in there, to
Speaker 2: find talent, develop talent, and build a damn roster. They
Speaker 2: might be in for cleaning how soon. And I am
Speaker 2: fired up about how not just the Pistons, how they
Speaker 2: got here that how they can insistently stay here, how
Speaker 2: they are allowed to operate without account because I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people who do their jobs quite well
Speaker 2: and they still lose them. And these people in basketball,
Speaker 2: they continue to stay mediocre, stay bad, and stay employed.
Speaker 2: Let's move on. It's Wednesday, so you know what time
Speaker 2: it is. It's time for Hot and Cold, your weekly
Speaker 2: barometer of the hottest and coldest players in the association.
Speaker 2: This week, our hottest man in the NBA is a
Speaker 2: shocking development, a man that I told his agent is
Speaker 2: RJ Barrett ever going to learn how to shoot? Is
Speaker 2: your is your client ever going to become a shooter?
Speaker 2: Is he ever going to become an efficient player? What
Speaker 2: is he? Is he a tweeter? Is he a two?
Speaker 2: Is he three?
Speaker 4: What is he?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: But RJ. Barrett is uh the best plus minus player
Speaker 2: in the entire NBA right now. The maligned shooting guard
Speaker 2: Slash three is finally on the cusp of a breakthrough.
Speaker 2: How do we know? He's averaging twenty four and three,
Speaker 2: but more than that of all players with more than
Speaker 2: thirty minutes per game. R J Barrett is number one
Speaker 2: in net rating, ahead of Devin Booker, ahead of Shake
Speaker 2: Gildas Alexander, ahead of Derek white head of Aunt Edwards,
Speaker 2: ahead of everyone's favorite new MVP candidate, Jason Tatum. How
Speaker 2: has he been so good? Partly he is now a
Speaker 2: three point sniper forty five percent from deep. Is that sustainable?
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know, but that's a pretty good sign.
Speaker 2: That is one of the best percentages of a high
Speaker 2: volume three point shooter in the league, considering that he
Speaker 2: shot thirty one percent from three last year, one of
Speaker 2: the worst percentage of high volume shooters. This is an
Speaker 2: incredible development. But a really overlooked element for r J
Speaker 2: Barrett this year is that he is shooting eighty four
Speaker 2: percent from the charity Stripe, huge improvement seventy four percent
Speaker 2: last year. In addition, his defense has now taking a
Speaker 2: huge step forward. He is strapping pause. In a recent
Speaker 2: comeback over the Heat in the final three minutes, RJ
Speaker 2: Barrett defended Jimmy Butler four times. Jimmy Butler, our man,
Speaker 2: who's one of the clutchest dudes in the league, one
Speaker 2: of the easiest guys to say. You can give him
Speaker 2: the ball and he will get a bucket. Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: went zero for four and the Knicks one by two.
Speaker 2: It's cool. It's cool to see j R. J. Barrett succeed.
Speaker 2: He's a great dude. Our man rowing, Our man rowing
Speaker 2: is putting up buckets. Take it up a serious notch.
Speaker 2: He is the hottest of the hot. Who is the
Speaker 2: coldest of the cold? Ice cold. Here's an intriguing case
Speaker 2: study and why being ice cold doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 2: an ineffective player. I am talking about this man's Cold
Speaker 2: of the week, ice cube man of the week, no vacilane.
Speaker 2: We're talking Fred van Fleet in Houston. We all shook
Speaker 2: our head when the Rockets signed him to a three year,
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty nine million dollar contract. Forty million
Speaker 2: dollars I still believe is a little too much for
Speaker 2: Fred van Fleet, and yet he is the team leader
Speaker 2: on a resurgent Rockets team that is currently seventh in
Speaker 2: the West and has the number one ranked defense in
Speaker 2: the NBA. The funny thing is he is shooting forty
Speaker 2: percent from the field, which is fucking horrible, top five
Speaker 2: worst field goal percentage in the NBA, just ahead of
Speaker 2: shoot him to the moon Killian Hayes, which seems pretty impossible. Actually,
Speaker 2: So how is he impacting winning, you might ask, if
Speaker 2: he cannot shoot to save his fucking life. Well, he
Speaker 2: doesn't miss free throws. He's hitting ninety percent for the season,
Speaker 2: which is clutch for a team that plays in a
Speaker 2: lot of close games, which is insane because it's the
Speaker 2: Houston Rockets that we're talking about. Second, he's averaging one
Speaker 2: point one blocks and steals stock stock stocks per game
Speaker 2: and has a defensive rating of one hundred and ten,
Speaker 2: which is over four points better than last year on
Speaker 2: a Toronto team that was supposedly known for its defense.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it wasn't actually known for its defense. Thirdly,
Speaker 2: he has the fifth most assist in the NBA this year,
Speaker 2: which means he is passing the ball really well, shooting
Speaker 2: that pill to the man right in the bread basket
Speaker 2: and getting them open easy looks. Add this to the
Speaker 2: fact that he only turns the ball over one point
Speaker 2: six times per game, and now the Rockets are shooting
Speaker 2: to the moon, and that means he has one of
Speaker 2: the best assistant turnover ratios in the league. So yeah,
Speaker 2: being cold doesn't always mean you're bad. But Fred van
Speaker 2: Fleet cold player eyes cold cold the week. Wait till
Speaker 2: he warms up, baby, then the Rockets will really be cooking.
Speaker 2: All right. I got a special treat for everyone today.
Speaker 2: And on my Tuesday spot with Dilo and Casey and
Speaker 2: Sacramento on ESPN thirteen twenty, we did a full around
Speaker 2: the league news discussion and I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2: And listen, I'm moving, so I don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of time, so we're gonna repurpose some content for the people.
Speaker 2: We talk a little bit about Josh Gritty to Chris
Speaker 2: Paul to Draymond Green. So let's get right into it.
Speaker 2: Love these guys, K.
Speaker 4: You're good.
Speaker 5: This is my new house. I just moved into a place.
Speaker 4: Horse make more money than Rocky. Look at that joint.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get like you, Damien. Your house
Speaker 2: is nice as big.
Speaker 4: You all got one way to go before you're like Damn.
Speaker 5: I mean all of us would be Google.
Speaker 3: Y'all are ridiculous. Man. I still love you both, but
Speaker 3: y'all are ridiculous.
Speaker 6: Hey, congrats, that's fine. We could see the see the
Speaker 6: wilderness behind you. You must got it's a forest.
Speaker 5: There's like a half an acre of a yard.
Speaker 3: Oh man, what a basketball?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: DC Maryland or Virginia.
Speaker 5: Virginia a legal bedding zone.
Speaker 4: Oh, let's go.
Speaker 7: I guess I'm a little I'm a little upset though,
Speaker 7: because this ends the dream that Tristan would move to Sacramento.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a one year lease, voice, so we'll see.
Speaker 5: All right, we can always move. We can all. It's
Speaker 5: very easy to do.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get into it.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 6: Okay, sometimes stuff happens and I just wait. I was like,
Speaker 6: let's see if we can get all through Monday without
Speaker 6: talking about it, because I want Trista to talk about it. Okay,
Speaker 6: you know, something happened over the weekend we did not
Speaker 6: talk about yesterday. Anybody want to address what's going on
Speaker 6: in Oklahoma City?
Speaker 4: Oh boy, Tristan for is yours?
Speaker 3: Anybody want to.
Speaker 6: Talk about Anybody want to talk about Tine?
Speaker 5: By the way, real quick, Malika is having a bad week.
Speaker 3: We'll just say, oh I caught that. I caught this.
Speaker 2: You knew it was gonna happen, because, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: Melika would have a jerk journalistic responsibility and ethical obligation
Speaker 2: to bring up an entire segment of this if Josh
Speaker 2: Giddy was not yet, she would have an obligation for
Speaker 2: the probably in her mind, for the culture.
Speaker 5: You know, she's she's canvas owensing.
Speaker 2: Everything, you know, the best that she can possibly do.
Speaker 2: I'll say this, it's it's not great. I looked at
Speaker 2: the photos, the ones that like surface first, the ig
Speaker 2: account that's just like like a responsible citizen just deciding
Speaker 2: to like, hey, I have a I must bring this
Speaker 2: to the attention of the world.
Speaker 5: In the NBA, like probably.
Speaker 2: A seventeen year old ex boyfriend right like he's probably
Speaker 2: some salty kid living either in Oklahoma or Australia.
Speaker 3: With a biology class, just really upset.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I'm gonna get him. He thinks he's slick.
Speaker 2: So it's like a kid that's letting this dirty laundry out.
Speaker 2: So the photos that came out I saw him in
Speaker 2: like order of and I hadn't seen any of the news.
Speaker 2: I'll lied, it just broke, and so I saw them
Speaker 2: the photos in order of like most clothes to least clothes,
Speaker 2: and it was like him and the girl and he
Speaker 2: had his arms wrapped around her at like a carnival,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I made who can really say, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe they're at the carnival, maybe he's best friends with
Speaker 2: her brother, and like they're just.
Speaker 5: Taking a photo for the grand there's nothing that you
Speaker 5: could really say is bad.
Speaker 8: And then it's like a little like stranger like maybe
Speaker 8: the setting is different and it's a little more personal.
Speaker 8: And then the last photo is like you can see
Speaker 8: the D'Angelo like hipline on and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, that was gonna be tough. That one's gonna.
Speaker 7: Be tough to sh Yeah, with the Josh giddy stuff.
Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't done as much of a deep
Speaker 7: dive as maybe others.
Speaker 3: Yeah you shouldn't you see what's on that. I think
Speaker 3: you'll get flagged by.
Speaker 4: If you do too much of a see what's on
Speaker 4: the timeline?
Speaker 7: I you know, I know what it looks like to me,
Speaker 7: and what it looks like is not cool, Like it's
Speaker 7: not okay. But I don't I don't know enough about it.
Speaker 7: I don't know who she really is, so I don't know,
Speaker 7: I don't know. You know, I know what it looks like,
Speaker 7: and that's not cool.
Speaker 3: It's if he's in the lineup tonight.
Speaker 7: In the lineup the other night, right, So so let
Speaker 7: me ask you guys this. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 7: there are people are upset that he's in the lineup,
Speaker 7: isn't And we see this from time to time, and
Speaker 7: I think there's extenuating circumstances and this may be one
Speaker 7: of them to be real, But the team in the
Speaker 7: NBA and everything, they can't just see some some rumors
Speaker 7: on Twitter and take it, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: You're innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 6: I know people don't like that, but you are right,
Speaker 6: and they have to determine that he did what.
Speaker 5: I think that's different because a lot of people right.
Speaker 2: Rightly are upset, well I don't know if it's right,
Speaker 2: but understandably upset that John Morhan sitting out twenty five
Speaker 2: games for a lighter gun, a gun lighter And to that,
Speaker 2: I say, it really didn't and he didn't break any laws.
Speaker 2: And Josh Giddy, if this were to be true, would have.
Speaker 5: Broken a bunch of them. But here's the thing. They
Speaker 5: didn't suspend jaw for breaking laws.
Speaker 2: They suspended him for that pattern the first you know,
Speaker 2: Uncle Willie, what was it, strip club Willis was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so something Willie's shotgun Willie's so that
Speaker 2: it was the pattern of conduct detrimental to the league, right,
Speaker 2: it's the appearance of and honestly, they don't want to
Speaker 2: say this, The league doesn't want to say this, but
Speaker 2: like the appearance of we'll call it quote unquote thuggery
Speaker 2: is much more something that they do not want to
Speaker 2: be associated with as a league than having sex with
Speaker 2: an underage girl. I mean, Ruben Patterson played, Karl Malone
Speaker 2: played like they.
Speaker 3: Can celebrated last year, yeah he was.
Speaker 2: He was literally a judge in the dunk contest. That's
Speaker 2: how little the NBA is.
Speaker 3: I mean last year, that was this year, that was
Speaker 3: season that was earlier, this calendar year.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: So the truth is the way that the league was
Speaker 2: back in the eighties where there was like games were
Speaker 2: on tape delay, and it was seen as like this,
Speaker 2: well to say it, like an ultra thuggish persona.
Speaker 5: Whether that's Sue or not. Like they're like a lot.
Speaker 2: Of you know, the the quote unquote violence that was
Speaker 2: allowed in the game, and this the way that players acted,
Speaker 2: and that's why they tried to quote unquote clean it up. Right.
Speaker 5: You had the you had the.
Speaker 2: The dress code, you have you have this feeling where
Speaker 2: we don't want to go back as an NBA. That's
Speaker 2: the appearance of it, at least from the commissioner's perspective.
Speaker 5: We don't want to even.
Speaker 2: Have the like proximity or the adjacency to quote unquote thuggree.
Speaker 2: So they come down on Jaw because of the way
Speaker 2: the owners feel, right and the way that the league
Speaker 2: feels because it's detrimental to their bottom line because of
Speaker 2: let's be honest, people who.
Speaker 5: Look like me that watch the game.
Speaker 2: I don't think a one off Josh Gidey thing is
Speaker 2: going to affect their bottom line nearly to the same extent.
Speaker 5: And that's just real.
Speaker 7: I mentioned that they can't necessarily do anything due to
Speaker 7: some some you know, Internet rumors, but I'll contradict it
Speaker 7: or give a flip side to it. There is an
Speaker 7: investigation going on, and shouldn't they be able to say, Hey,
Speaker 7: while this investigation is going on, you can't play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll get paid, they just can't play yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you absolutely can't do that dred percent. That's probably what
Speaker 3: I would do hundred percent. But they they better tiptoe
Speaker 3: lightly because.
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's it's it's a it's a situation and
Speaker 6: people are going to have feelings about it. You mentioned
Speaker 6: the John Morant situation, and I saw it brought up
Speaker 6: in the chat. Let's not forget what they did with
Speaker 6: Kyrie Irving and the amount of hoops that Kyrie had
Speaker 6: to jump through to get back into the lineup, and
Speaker 6: it took the Kings beating the Nets by thirty seven
Speaker 6: on national television for the Nets to say, you know what,
Speaker 6: we think Kyrie's learned his lesson, and they and they
Speaker 6: and they brought him back. But it was sensitivity training
Speaker 6: and it was all this public proclamation about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 6: Y'all better say the right stuff when it comes to
Speaker 6: Josh Getty you been y'all better say something that satisfies me.
Speaker 4: Facts.
Speaker 6: I couldn't heat checked by it. If you want one
Speaker 6: on the Josh Gidty situation. Sorry, TK, what was that?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: I'm glad that you guys waited for Tuesday for me.
Speaker 6: Oh, we had to, we had to, and something just
Speaker 6: dawned on me too. I don't think in one game two.
Speaker 6: I don't think the Kings have beat the Warriors in
Speaker 6: Sacramento since Trista's left.
Speaker 4: Damn it. Who Trista was.
Speaker 3: Here for game one? It was here for game two.
Speaker 4: Sent trist to your jet right now so we could have.
Speaker 3: Well, where's yours?
Speaker 4: I don't google me, google him.
Speaker 5: Once for all the marbles of the ist.
Speaker 3: Maybe I t all right. I don't think I've heard
Speaker 3: it referred to as that before. It's simple, I get id,
Speaker 3: but it is Yeah, well that no, let's not do that.
Speaker 3: That sounds like something else.
Speaker 5: That sounds a little like something you want to get some.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like something you catch it.
Speaker 6: Ricky's so strict, seven oh five J Street, downtown Sacramento.
Speaker 3: You don't want that. You don't want that. It's always,
Speaker 3: it's always.
Speaker 6: It's always the Warriors, TK, It's always the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Draymond's first game back from suspension, he said, this man said,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get me to apologize for choking a
Speaker 2: man out. I was doing my best to protect my teammates.
Speaker 5: I do that.
Speaker 2: I am ten toes down. You know me, Draymond best
Speaker 2: teammate in history for the Dubs. Our Dubs do not
Speaker 2: mind the fact.
Speaker 5: That I punched my teammate.
Speaker 2: You do not mind that I have dismantled this organization
Speaker 2: from the inside out. He better this team better start winning.
Speaker 2: Folks are Dubs or Joe Lacup. Uncle Joe is going
Speaker 2: to have to start making some We not have to.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to.
Speaker 5: He's a billionaire.
Speaker 2: He is going to start making some hard choices about
Speaker 2: who is in this lineup and who is on this
Speaker 2: team come trade deadline.
Speaker 5: And if I am Klay Thompson and I am.
Speaker 2: Draymond Green, I would be I would be concerned about
Speaker 2: the success of the regular season at this moment because
Speaker 2: he said many times, I am not paying this amount
Speaker 2: of money in luxury tax payments for a team that's
Speaker 2: a play and team. I barely wanted to do it
Speaker 2: when you were a six seed.
Speaker 4: So is that what has Clay Thompson all stressed out
Speaker 4: right now? Yes?
Speaker 5: Are you serious? He can't even get his money. We
Speaker 5: knew this was an issue last year.
Speaker 2: Actually during the King Series Game one, before the game
Speaker 2: they were talking about how Clay wants max money and
Speaker 2: max money he will not get so you either accept
Speaker 2: that men or you start wondering what life is like
Speaker 2: in s hit for zach Lavin.
Speaker 6: Oh, oh, he can't do that. You can't get a
Speaker 6: bat minimum deal from Golden State. Like that's not even
Speaker 6: a that's not really okay.
Speaker 4: We'll call it.
Speaker 2: We'll call it bi annual exception, or call it you know,
Speaker 2: we'll call it mid level. He's not getting maxim You
Speaker 2: can't give that man even in the thirties. He's got
Speaker 2: to accept something in the in the twenties. But just
Speaker 2: get Bruce Brown money.
Speaker 6: In that case, I understand why he's upset because he's
Speaker 6: looking at Draymond.
Speaker 4: Mike.
Speaker 6: You just gave that dude twenty five per year for
Speaker 6: four years. I understand why Clay would be upset in
Speaker 6: that situation.
Speaker 7: And and I'll set that you gave Draymond that basically,
Speaker 7: and I'm not completely against this. I understand it the
Speaker 7: the Kobe treatment where you're not that anymore, but thank
Speaker 7: you for your services, and we're gonna pay you that way.
Speaker 4: And Clay's looking at it like if.
Speaker 7: You're given him that, I need that because I'm way
Speaker 7: more vital to what we just did.
Speaker 2: Except for you already got the Kobe treatment when you
Speaker 2: sat there and got the max deal after the after
Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen season and you tore your a cl
Speaker 2: and they still maxed you out and you were gone
Speaker 2: for two and a half years.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: You got max money for two and a half years
Speaker 2: and you did not play a lick of basketball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right about that. They did give them that contract.
Speaker 6: Need one of them called you think they I mean
Speaker 6: when you talk about you talk about what someone means
Speaker 6: to a franchise. If Steph God forbid Tares's Achilles, you
Speaker 6: pay Steph for the next four you tell you pay
Speaker 6: Steph until Steph goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to pay me one hundred million anymore.
Speaker 6: That's what you do. That's the Kobe treatment. You don't
Speaker 6: do that for Clay or Draymond. That's why what Draymond
Speaker 6: got Draymond the season they had is bath.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about Clay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I got you because that's unlike anything we've
Speaker 7: ever seen in Again.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 6: If you do that for Draymond, though, you have to
Speaker 6: do it for Clay. That's my opinion, and that's that's
Speaker 6: just let the ship think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think I don't think Joe lacub wants
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 2: And if I am Joe, I'm thinking, Okay, well, we
Speaker 2: had one bad year. We got balanced out of the
Speaker 2: to the Lakers Wigs. He had that personal time. You're
Speaker 2: making excuses for your team, right, You're like, well, Wiggs
Speaker 2: wasn't with the team for like two months. He wasn't right,
Speaker 2: He's not in condition. You know, Clay took some time
Speaker 2: to ramp back up. He wasn't in condition. He played
Speaker 2: a lot better Draymond. There was this cloud hanging over
Speaker 2: the team. But like, none of this happens according to
Speaker 2: Steph without Draymond. So like, let's pay Draymond. Worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: we can trade Draymond. That's an asset that will be
Speaker 2: we can finesse another team like the Lakers clutch sports
Speaker 2: guy to get him, and maybe we get some role
Speaker 2: players out of it. Right, if you're doing it for Clay,
Speaker 2: the jig is up on Clay. We know what it is.
Speaker 2: He was one of the best two way shooting guards
Speaker 2: in the league, and he's now a one way shooting
Speaker 2: guard that's not particularly good at the one way either
Speaker 2: right now, and he's jacking up threes early on the
Speaker 2: shot clock, off the dribble. We know he can get
Speaker 2: hot at any time, but when is that time coming?
Speaker 2: And like guys that can't do what he used to do,
Speaker 2: they're just not very valuable. Trading him would be extremely difficult.
Speaker 2: We're trading a guy like Draymond on a team that's
Speaker 2: a piece away. You need a defensive presence. Even if
Speaker 2: he was to go back to Detroit and help.
Speaker 5: Those young boys, that kind of a thing. I think
Speaker 5: Troy Weaver could be finessed. That's how I would see it.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can finesse anyone if you pay
Speaker 2: Clay he is a boat anchor on your squad.
Speaker 3: Two things unrelated, but we'll pass along from Sean Sharania.
Speaker 3: LaMelo Ball suffered a serious brain in his right ankle
Speaker 3: on is likely to miss extended time.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: That means to do surgery probably.
Speaker 6: Test show Ball avoided a fracture in the ankle which
Speaker 6: required surgery last season, and a cautious approach is expected.
Speaker 6: So it sounds like they're probably gonna not do the
Speaker 6: surgery to start and cross their fingers.
Speaker 3: That's tough. Wow, that's tough. That's tough. Yeah, that's tough question.
Speaker 6: I was going to ask you earlier. I'll throw at
Speaker 6: Trista and I'd like your response earlier. This is what
Speaker 6: I took a note on because we were joking about
Speaker 6: the Wizards, uh pistons.
Speaker 4: I was really watching that game last night. I know,
Speaker 4: j and iviws.
Speaker 7: They were like they had a Jaden Ivy highlight package
Speaker 7: and they were like, Oh, he's drawn dimes and l
Speaker 7: oops and he's scoring. I was like, dang, Jay Knivey
Speaker 7: must be going off four points five assist.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 6: It was as equally as compelling as watching the seventy
Speaker 6: six Ers meat the.
Speaker 4: Lakers by, like, oh, they beat the Brakes up there.
Speaker 3: All jokes aside, would Jordan Poole be? Would the Warriors
Speaker 3: be better if Jordan Poole was still on the team?
Speaker 6: Would well, would Jordan Poole be the nightly low light
Speaker 6: if he was in a Warriors uniform? And let's let's
Speaker 6: work the hypothetical to his full ex extent. You had
Speaker 6: to pick one. You picked Jordan, and Draymond's gone, no, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think so?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, but I I I wasn't even calculating how
Speaker 2: tense that relationship still would be. But like I'm thinking
Speaker 2: Jordan in the lineup over Clay and what that looks
Speaker 2: like offensively Clay maybe coming off the bench, and then
Speaker 2: you like don't pay him or figure it out.
Speaker 5: I still don't like it.
Speaker 2: This team has major issues right, the whole two timeline thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's so difficult, and I know that they've done
Speaker 2: a decent job, given the fact that they did win
Speaker 2: a championship two years ago, but like when in history
Speaker 2: can you just not you're a dynasty and then you
Speaker 2: like almost spring from the ashes like a phoenix without
Speaker 2: the burndown, Right, Like when can you be a dynasty
Speaker 2: that current dynasty ends and then a new one begins
Speaker 2: without a period of like scorched earth and rebuild. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't really happen. And for whatever reason, unless you
Speaker 2: have some some star that you have lucked into, like
Speaker 2: the next step you've drafted him instead of instead.
Speaker 5: Of our our man James Wiseman.
Speaker 2: But like that's such a thread of the needle and
Speaker 2: the arrogance to believe that that's what you can do
Speaker 2: and that's what you will do to have dominance for
Speaker 2: twenty plus years is what Joe Lacobs said he wants
Speaker 2: he wants to He wants to be a dynasty until
Speaker 2: his grandson is his age, is what he I think
Speaker 2: he said, which is just insane.
Speaker 6: He also said the Lady Warriors whatever they're called, they're
Speaker 6: gonna win a title in their first five years, all right,
Speaker 6: which if you know the league, you know that's comical.
Speaker 4: All right, Joe, all right, now.
Speaker 7: The thing about the Jordan Poole thing is I'd wish
Speaker 7: you to the whole story. That's I think the whole
Speaker 7: story has to be said about Jordan Poole. This is
Speaker 7: just my belief. I could be wrong reading too much
Speaker 7: into it. That incident with Draymond changed him forever, and
Speaker 7: he was not the same guy that he was before.
Speaker 7: That was that, I don't want to say he didn't
Speaker 7: carry him. It was Staph doing this thing. But when
Speaker 7: Drake couldn't do nothing and Clay couldn't do nothing, they
Speaker 7: were like, Jordan, we need you to get twenty five.
Speaker 7: And he would do it, and he helped them win
Speaker 7: that championship. That guy's gone forever, in my opinion, and
Speaker 7: if if and part of why that guy's gone forever
Speaker 7: is not only what happened, but the aftermath. The aftermath
Speaker 7: and the way the organization handled that situation messed him up.
Speaker 7: You know, he's probably not trusting right now. You probably
Speaker 7: didn't have the same care free joy about before that active.
Speaker 5: Like he's playing with joy though. This man passed up
Speaker 5: a wide open MIDI but what Yeah, it was like
Speaker 5: an underhand like that's a Lebron. It looked like the
Speaker 5: Lebron baby powder, you know, toss but like to try.
Speaker 3: To make a basket and it didn't work.
Speaker 4: It got swatted on.
Speaker 3: It was the ninth I counted it was at least
Speaker 3: the ninth row. Yeah, it was not good. He's bad,
Speaker 3: He's but I also think that's uh, that environment, that's
Speaker 3: the team, that's what you built. That's that's you. I mean, God,
Speaker 3: wes Unselt, God bless you, brother.
Speaker 4: This is it r I P.
Speaker 6: Because you ain't gonna make it through this, and I
Speaker 6: don't know who's gonna come. I don't know how you
Speaker 6: fixed this, Like you've you've set capable players and you've
Speaker 6: allowed them to establish these bad tendencies.
Speaker 5: What what I guess Jason Kidd is probably but he's
Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask what black coach comes in, fails miserably,
Speaker 2: and then gets another head.
Speaker 3: Coaching job, fails miserably. And Jason Kidd did Jason, No,
Speaker 3: he didn't.
Speaker 2: He. I mean, there was some good things happening with Yannis,
Speaker 2: good things happening with the Nets.
Speaker 3: So I can't think of one.
Speaker 7: The one, you know, the one that you could think of,
Speaker 7: and I still wouldn't call it fail miserably. Mike Brown,
Speaker 7: I don't think, uh, the Cleveland, the second Cleveland was
Speaker 7: a little round, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it, but everybody like, I mean, but
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't do that.
Speaker 2: Your first stint. You haven't succeeded at all any other time.
Speaker 2: This is like it's opportunity one. We're giving you the ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, go and be the captain.
Speaker 2: Stormy seas happened, shipwrecks, You're no longer able to be
Speaker 2: a captain of a boat anymore.
Speaker 4: Normally it doesn't happen.
Speaker 7: And that's why people were so upset with Steven Nash,
Speaker 7: because the black coaches don't Usually they usually get the
Speaker 7: Washington's in the Houston's. They don't get Brooklyn. You know what,
Speaker 7: Kad and Kyrie that's why people were so upset up.
Speaker 5: I almost got fired over that.
Speaker 2: Oh for what from Barstool I wrote about that, that
Speaker 2: exact premise that you just said, Kenny, And how laughable
Speaker 2: that movie.
Speaker 3: Barstool almost fired you. That is stunning to hear. I
Speaker 3: for one, am shocked.
Speaker 7: I do want to hear from Christa about this one though,
Speaker 7: Chris Paul, Scott Foster's gotten out of control. If you
Speaker 7: asked me, it was already out of control, and it's
Speaker 7: even more out of control nowba. I mean, the NBA
Speaker 7: just gonna stick their head in the sand still with
Speaker 7: this whole thing and still have him on.
Speaker 2: We need a truth We need a truth sayer to
Speaker 2: tell us what it is that could possibly be personal
Speaker 2: between these two dudes. And like I heard on Reddit
Speaker 2: or I read on Reddit that like Scott Foster had
Speaker 2: son that's like a rest in like a a a
Speaker 2: U league or whatever, and then Chris Paul's son was
Speaker 2: getting the Scott Foster treatment. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: true at all, And like, what could it be about
Speaker 2: his son that Scott Foster years ago? Because Chris Paul
Speaker 2: said he sat in a room with Mike Delaney, doc Rivers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Scott Foster his dad, Chris Paul's.
Speaker 1: Dad, how.
Speaker 7: For christ Yes, And it didn't go well. They didn't
Speaker 7: even they were even like all faced.
Speaker 2: All there, Houston, OK, c uh, Phoenix, Washington, Golden State and.
Speaker 7: They had that meeting that pow wow, and Chris Paul
Speaker 7: was like, yeah, it didn't go well, and they just
Speaker 7: just move on.
Speaker 4: NBA just moved on.
Speaker 5: For every game he's and he he refs way too
Speaker 5: many Chris Paul games for my life. Yeah, there's it's
Speaker 5: almost like the league's like, oh yeah, you don't like
Speaker 5: stop Foster. We're having him reff every meaningful game that
Speaker 5: you play in. He's like one in thirteen in the
Speaker 5: games that got Foster rest.
Speaker 2: And I think he's been an I think he's been favored.
Speaker 2: His team's been favored in like ninety percent of those games.
Speaker 2: So I've lost games that they were favored in. Guys
Speaker 2: have three percent battery life. I wish I could talk.
Speaker 5: I really do have to go.
Speaker 6: You know how Trista's house is fired? She got that
Speaker 6: Rick Ross Echo, Oh yeah yeah, she got that man.
Speaker 4: A lot of space, a lot of space.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Congratstard next time, Yeah, please do please do uh.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Go charge your phone.
Speaker 5: Love you guys.
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