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Speaker 2: What's getting assaulted by federal agents?

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Speaker 3: No, don't I love when we start episodes both sleepy

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Speaker 3: and I'm wired.

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Speaker 2: I'm awake. I'm wide awake, baby, I'm a white awake.

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Speaker 4: You will you start?

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Speaker 5: Will you do you are?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We already started, We already started.

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Speaker 1: We have it.

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Speaker 2: This is Executive Disorder.

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Speaker 6: This is it could happen here.

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Speaker 3: Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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Speaker 3: White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by James Stout, Mio Wong,

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Speaker 3: Robert Evans, and Margaret Kiljoy.

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Speaker 6: This episode, we.

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Speaker 3: Are covering the week of January fourteenth to January twenty.

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Speaker 2: First, you know a lot of news organizations don't go

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Speaker 2: woot woot get ei. They're cowards, sucked up.

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Speaker 5: That's because they don't drink fago.

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Speaker 2: I know that's right.

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Speaker 4: The official beverage this journalist. This episode is planted by

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Speaker 4: four Loco at tea mugget. You're in allowed test.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of drinking.

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Speaker 3: Actually, we will start this episode with a big glass

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Speaker 3: of whole milk. Everyone has one, right, Let's all go

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Speaker 3: up at the same time.

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Speaker 4: We finish it as we leave for the toilet.

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Speaker 6: There we go delicious, delicious whole milk.

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Speaker 2: We drink a gallon every hour.

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Speaker 3: We are not sponsored by the dairy lobby. There's nothing

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Speaker 3: fishy going on whatsoever. We're not all drinking whole milk now.

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Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all, Garrison Heifer, Davis.

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Speaker 1: Heffer, even even Margaret Yeah, who's been a vegan for

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Speaker 1: how many decades.

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Speaker 2: Look, you can be a vegan and still have a

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Speaker 2: lot of money in the dairy.

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Speaker 5: Industry, Sophie, Well, all I'm saying is that if I

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Speaker 5: increase my meat diet by twenty five percent, it will

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Speaker 5: stay the same.

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Speaker 2: Look. That's that's accurate.

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Speaker 6: We love we love that math.

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Speaker 2: Huber.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also, thanks to some of the new changes in

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Speaker 2: the way the Food and Drug Administry works, I can

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Speaker 2: guarantee you that American whole milk has almost no dairy

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Speaker 2: in it. It's mostly chalk and baby laxative, just like

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Speaker 2: our heroine.

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Speaker 4: I have a theory about this. Can I share my

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Speaker 4: bolk theory? I think the grand unifying principle about which

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Speaker 4: we could bring American people together is that there are

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Speaker 4: too many milks everyone agreed.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Principle, that's right.

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Speaker 6: I think that is what should take over from class.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, milks, the great unifying milk principle.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the milk reductionist.

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Speaker 2: You know what place loves milk? Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's turn to Minneapolis. The continuing ice raids in

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Speaker 3: the fallout from ice killing Renee Good.

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Speaker 3: On Wednesday, January fourteenth, ICE agents attempted to pull over

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Speaker 3: a federal Affidavid claims that another man watching from a

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Speaker 3: porch named Julio Caesar Sosa Seles used a broom to

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Speaker 2: I think it's worth noting that this is essentially Ice

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Speaker 8: So, we haven't gotten very much good information about the

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Speaker 8: In the video, the family tells a nine to eleven

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Speaker 8: to them, they shot him. A woman can be heard

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Speaker 8: telling the dispatcher. It's not clear who is speaking or

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Speaker 8: being followed. So that's the only kind of independent thing

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it necessarily contradicts that there

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, attacked.

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Speaker 2: It may have just been a guy trying to create

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Speaker 4: Yeah, knocked it over as he ran past it, right,

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Speaker 4: and then they tripped over it.

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Speaker 2: Like, there's a wide variety of things that police officers

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Speaker 2: have framed as I was assaulted with this, and then

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Speaker 2: if you look at the video, it does not look

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Speaker 5: Yeah. They might have just literally been a snowshovel on

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Speaker 2: They might have assaulted a police officer. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: care either way. I'm just saying we don't know what happened. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The main report, which is in federal court documents that

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Speaker 3: The men that they were pacing was able to free

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Speaker 3: an agent fired epistol. That is the the like most

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Speaker 3: detailed report that we have at the moment. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: And like we can't CATEGORICI say, what happened? Right, You

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Speaker 3: or you shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I guess I can say that, Like I'm in Minneapolis

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Speaker 4: saying you're also in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: It's true, I am in Minneapolis right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, co located. As they say, it's very hard to

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Speaker 4: and he said, she said right, right, and then they're

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Speaker 8: And I think it is also worth noting that the

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Speaker 8: later on it, it showed that they were lying about it.

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Speaker 2: So at this point my default assumption is that, absent

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Speaker 3: Also they're framing the Asians, framing his decisan to fire

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Speaker 3: as related to being afraid of his life, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: in that document, the fear would be based on the

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Speaker 3: presence of a broom handle, and it is it is

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Speaker 3: a broom based assault that he cites as the reason

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's someone running away.

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Speaker 8: Right, And the woman who says that her son was

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Speaker 8: the one being pursued by ice, I'm just going to

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Speaker 8: her son. Immediately after the shooting. Aljorna said her son

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Speaker 8: told her he was the one being pursued on foot

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Speaker 8: I said the agent fired the shot.

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Speaker 5: Geez.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's the testimony that we have that's not

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Speaker 8: from the ICE people, and I think we'll figure out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe.

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Speaker 3: Three people were arrested after this incident. The person that

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Speaker 3: at some point, the man that Mea just referenced, as

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Speaker 3: this third individual who is allegedly the shovel wielder, which

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Speaker 3: all of these three people have been arrested. During a

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Speaker 3: protest that same night, dozen of people broke into two

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Speaker 3: One person has been arrested for stealing a rifle from

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Speaker 3: one of the vehicles.

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Speaker 2: Bad Challenge coins, much safer, also.

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Speaker 3: Safer Today on Saturday, Governor Walls mobilize the Minnesota National

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Speaker 3: Guard and place them on standby to assist local law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: If deployed, the Guard will be wearing yellow reflective vests

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's this is an interesting moment in and of itself,

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Speaker 2: just the acknowledgment from both the military command and the

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Speaker 2: do this so that people don't think the army is

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Speaker 2: the police.

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Speaker 5: Right. And it's a very like oraboris moment too, because

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Speaker 5: you have just like the cops are dressing up like

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Speaker 5: guess we got to change how we dress now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this could actually fuck up our ability to carry

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Speaker 2: out our mission. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Further complicating matters, fifteen hundred soldiers from the eleventh Airborne

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Speaker 3: Arctic Forte. There has also been public speculation that this

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Speaker 3: that has no basis based on what officials are saying

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Speaker 3: at the moment. A Sunday protest in Saint Paul disrupted

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Speaker 4: Yeah. That's the story that I want people to take

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Speaker 3: During Trump's three hundred and sixty five days in office

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Speaker 2: Let's watch amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come damn, I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 3: Well you are unlucky enough to see it now, No,

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Speaker 4: Garson's booting upbex dot com, the everything website.

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Speaker 10: And you know, they're going to make mistakes. Sometimes Ice

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Speaker 10: When I was told that the young woman who was

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Speaker 4: You know, what do you? How do you the fuck?

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Speaker 5: Weird so weird yeah yeah, yeah, Like he understands that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this would be a reason to change his opinion

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Speaker 3: So part of the whole reason why ICE is doing

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Speaker 3: So as Ice is currently hoping to get to the

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Speaker 5: I think we can all agree the biggest problem with

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Speaker 2: Mighty Ducks movie, right, Quack quack. Greenland is icy and

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Speaker 5: Well, you can't spell nice without Ice.

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Speaker 4: That's right, big Iceland.

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Speaker 3: over Greenland. Now, Trump took this military deployment as a

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Speaker 3: personal slight and levied tariffs in retaliation, hosting on true

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Speaker 3: social quote. Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 3: the Netherlands and Finland have journeyed to Greenland for purposes unknown.

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Speaker 3: This is a very dangerous situation for the safety, security

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Speaker 3: and survival of our planet. Those countries who are playing

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Speaker 3: this very dangerous game have put up level of risk

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Speaker 3: in play that is not tenable or sustainable. Therefore, it

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Speaker 3: is imperative that in order to protect global peace and security,

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Speaker 3: strong measures be taken so that this potentially perilous situation

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Speaker 3: and quickly and without question unquote. He then announced ten

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Speaker 3: percent tariffs against all of these nations, which would increase

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Speaker 3: to twenty five percent next month.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess by my gut feeling is you know,

457
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Speaker 2: to reef me no like it. But beyond that, this

458
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Speaker 2: is kind of just what Trump does now, right, is

459
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Speaker 2: he threatens everyone with like whatever the nuclear option is,

460
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Speaker 2: short of the literal nuclear option, which in this case

461
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Speaker 2: is nuking global trade, and then it kind of blows

462
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Speaker 2: up in his face because the EU actually has the

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Speaker 2: ability to collapse the dollar status as a reserve currency,

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Speaker 2: and the money wardens of the world are aware of that,

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Speaker 2: which is why the DRAGT DOWT plunged eight hundred points

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Speaker 2: yesterday and probably why Trump felt pressure to come to

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Speaker 2: an accommodation with NATO. I don't know that he ever

468
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Speaker 2: literally planned on invading, although at this point I think

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Speaker 2: you can't take that out of the equation. But like,

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Speaker 2: this is just what he does now, right, Like none

471
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Speaker 2: of this is like it's wild because he might have

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Speaker 2: literally bombed a fucking NATO member. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: what to say other than that, Yeah, I can.

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Speaker 4: I can explain a little bit more about the unhind

475
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Speaker 4: series of messages that Donald Trump has been sending to

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Speaker 4: various world leaders. God we know about these because they

477
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Speaker 4: have all been released.

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Speaker 6: Right, fantastic from Planetary Security. Yeah thing, it's friend's text.

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Speaker 4: Well not just that, right, the Norwegians released the text

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Speaker 4: that was sent by him to Norwegian Prime minister. Right,

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Speaker 4: Like the Norwegians, they're not normally like an impulsive nation.

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Speaker 2: That's not what people know the Norwegians for now.

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Speaker 4: They don't make big swings on the international scale very

484
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Speaker 4: very much, but they have done this time. So I'm

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Speaker 4: just going to quote write from his message to Norwegian

486
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister. Quote, considering your country decided not to give

487
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Speaker 4: me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars

488
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Speaker 4: plus pluses all in caps, I no longer feel an

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Speaker 4: obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always

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Speaker 4: be predominant, but can now think about what is good

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Speaker 4: and proper for the United States of America. Then Trump

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Speaker 4: released text from Mark Rutter, the NATO Secretary General, that

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Speaker 4: read quote mister President, dear Donald, what you accomplished in

494
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Speaker 4: Syria today is incredible. We will get onto that. Return

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Speaker 4: to the quote. I will use my media engagement to

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Speaker 4: Davos to highlight your work there, in Gaza and in Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: I am committed to finding a way forward on Greenland.

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Speaker 4: Can't wait to see you.

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Speaker 3: Do you have the French text as well? It's a

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Speaker 3: French text.

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Speaker 4: I don't have it in here, but yes, the Macran

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Speaker 4: text message I'm more than happy to read because that

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Speaker 4: one was pretty funny. Actually, so we are totally in

504
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Speaker 4: line on Syria. We can do great things in Iran. Interestingly,

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Speaker 4: none of these sentences end with any punctuation. No punctuation,

506
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Speaker 4: no punctuation Macran rejoicing. It not helpful, so I'll just

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Speaker 4: read them in one continuous breath. Do you not understand

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Speaker 4: what you're doing on Greenland? Let us try to build

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Speaker 4: great things? One lowercase. I can set up a G

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Speaker 4: seven lowercase G meeting after Davos in Paris on Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 4: I can invite the Ukrainians, Danish, Assyrians and the Russians

512
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Speaker 4: in the margins two. Let us have a dinner together

513
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Speaker 4: in Paris together on Thursday before you go back to

514
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Speaker 4: the US. Immanuel lots of flowercase in there. Actually none

515
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Speaker 4: of the countries getting up a case.

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Speaker 3: Imagine setting your situationship this text and then he just

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Speaker 3: posts it on true social Yeah it's so violated.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what's so weird to me is that this

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Speaker 2: is almost word for word the text I sent James.

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Speaker 4: It's true, I've posted it on a new website.

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Speaker 3: There are I do not understand what you were doing

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Speaker 3: on Greenlands.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that sentence, just floating on its own

524
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Speaker 4: like it's it's magnificent.

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Speaker 2: It's magnificent, and it's also like, yeah, that is basically

526
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Speaker 2: everyone feels like, man, I don't know what you're doing

527
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Speaker 2: on Greenlands, Like what is actually happening here?

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Speaker 5: I mean, what do you do when like there's a

529
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Speaker 5: petulant child who also has a handgun or a nuke,

530
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Speaker 5: you know, and you're just like shut up kid, Oh

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Speaker 5: wait no you could shoot me. No, it's time for nap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This is why I have, like you know how

533
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Speaker 2: hotels have those like little sprinklers in the roof. I've

534
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Speaker 2: got one of those to be just for cs gas. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: just to keep just to clear out the house in case,

536
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Speaker 2: you know, you gotta calm everybody down. That's what we

537
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Speaker 2: need for the country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we only need little holiday. Let's talk about Greenland, right,

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Speaker 4: Greenland's a semi autonomous territory of Denmark. It was a

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Speaker 4: colony and then over the twentieth century Greenlanders became Danish

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Speaker 4: citizens and now they have like the semi autonomous situation

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Speaker 4: where they have a lot of home rule, but they

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Speaker 4: are still part of Denmark. Denmark, of course, is part

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Speaker 4: of the EU and of NATO, so therefore they are

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Speaker 4: part of the EU and part of NATO. Right. As

546
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Speaker 4: we said earlier, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, finn and the

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Speaker 4: Netherlands and the UK have also very small numbers of

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Speaker 4: troops to the territory in the past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: But the US is the one that has the most

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Speaker 4: troops on Denmark, right, because the United States has a base.

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Speaker 4: They've kept this basis since World War Two. It was

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Speaker 4: there in World War Two because the Nazis occupied Denmark, right,

553
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Speaker 4: and then the United States garrison Greenland because it does

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Speaker 4: have like they're not wrong in saying it has an

555
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Speaker 4: important strategic position right where it is now.

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Speaker 2: It's really well located and the reality of Again this

557
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Speaker 2: is another mark in the column of like conservatives pretending

558
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Speaker 2: climate change isn't real and acting based on the realities

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Speaker 2: of climate change. Because of the warming oceans in that

560
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Speaker 2: part of the world, it's going to become much more navigable.

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Speaker 2: It used to not be as strategic because there was

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Speaker 2: just less possibility of moving naval assets through the area.

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Speaker 2: And now that that's not going to be a problem

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Speaker 2: because the world's warming and there's going to be less

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Speaker 2: ice there, Greenland has much more a much higher like

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Speaker 2: strategic value just in terms of like as a place

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Speaker 2: to have as a potential naval joke point.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, are you saying that the people who named

569
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Speaker 5: it were actually being prescient ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were ahead of the curve. They weren't

571
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Speaker 2: just trying to stop people from coming to Iceland. They

572
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Speaker 2: forstesaw it in the ruins. So the US you speak,

573
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Speaker 2: called Tula Air Force Base, and essentially the US has

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Speaker 2: the right according to Defense Treaty creates Greenland to use

575
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Speaker 2: Greenland to defend itself and to defend the Arctic, right,

576
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Speaker 2: So what they previously had there during they kept the

577
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Speaker 2: base during the Cold War because it was where they

578
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Speaker 2: would be able to identify missile launches coming from the

579
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Speaker 2: former Soviet Union was at the time the Soviet Union, right,

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Speaker 2: and then they could intercept from from there with their

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Speaker 2: Air Force base. They now it is now a Space

582
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Speaker 2: Force space. Yeah, it's now the Pictrifix Spaceport Space.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the US can expand or garrison this base as

585
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Speaker 4: it needs to write, like the majority of Greenland, it's

586
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Speaker 4: all occupied, right, but it is not like I guess,

587
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Speaker 4: urbanized or built upon.

588
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Speaker 5: Right.

589
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Speaker 4: The US could expand this base, it could add more

590
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Speaker 4: assets to this base, but the United States has decided

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Speaker 4: that it's not enough and that it needs total sovereignty

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Speaker 4: over Greenland. So there are a few ways it could

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Speaker 4: achieve that, and we should just be explicit about those, right.

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Speaker 4: The first is obviously by direct military action. That still

595
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Speaker 4: seems relatively unlikely, but who knows these days.

596
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Speaker 5: Hopefully.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is an influence campaign that they're trying, right,

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Speaker 4: They're attempting to influence Greenlanders into wanting to become American.

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Speaker 4: The polling data I've shown so Greenlanders do favor independence,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, they do not favor joining the United States.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't mind leaving Denmark, and.

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Speaker 2: Also, overwhelmingly, when presented with the true between the United

603
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Speaker 2: States or Denmark, would prefer to remain part of death.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

605
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that situation right now, it's one that like they

606
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Speaker 4: don't want to go out the frying pan into the fire,

607
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Speaker 4: so to speak.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, for reasons that make no sense to

609
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Speaker 2: me as I text my friend about the doctor visit

610
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Speaker 2: they can't afford.

611
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, it's interesting seeing as interviews where they like,

612
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 4: why would we want that? We've seen what you people

613
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: have for healthcare?

614
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks. What is the appeal of being America?

615
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Speaker 4: If Denmark has any spaces, California you know will join you.

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Speaker 4: So yeah. The other option will be to purchase it, right,

617
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Speaker 4: which is not on the card. It's like Greenland is

618
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: not for sale. So yeah, me, do you want to

619
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Speaker 4: talk about this? This tariff campaign they've been suggesting that

620
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Speaker 4: they're going to leverage.

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Speaker 2: Wait, wait a second, what's that, James? Did you say

622
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Speaker 2: jazz jazz.

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Speaker 6: Part sorry, jazz rocking jazz bo by God, it's Mia

624
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 6: Wong's music.

625
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet you would have picked that.

626
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Speaker 4: We asked me what she wanted, she wrote it so made.

627
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: She went into a room, she wrote down music notes

628
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Speaker 4: on a piece of paper and she came out with

629
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Speaker 4: something that turned out someone else had done it before.

630
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Speaker 8: Well, we couldn't. We couldn't licensed Barracuda. So this is

631
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Speaker 8: this is what we got.

632
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Speaker 2: That we actually were not trying to make a parody.

633
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Speaker 2: This is one of those things like the evolution of

634
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Speaker 2: the bow and arrow. We just kind of independently recreated

635
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: rock the kasba, but based around tariffs from first principles.

636
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Speaker 5: It's the carsonization of songs.

637
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: That's right, carsonalization of songs.

638
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Speaker 2: All music becomes rock the kasvo if you if you

639
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: had given it up, give.

640
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Speaker 4: It long enough on the Galapagos Islands. That's what we

641
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: sent me here to write a song on. She was

642
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: on the Glapica Islands for a long time.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

644
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Speaker 8: It's very nice there. So so speaker speaking of things

645
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 8: changing very very quickly. So two days ago, as we

646
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Speaker 8: were recording this, Trump was interviewed about these terrorists he

647
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 8: was going to impose by I think it was NBC

648
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 8: see and he said, quote, I will one hundred percent.

649
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Speaker 8: It is not Wednesday, And he has backed off of

650
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Speaker 8: the tariffs tomorrow.

651
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Speaker 2: Truly another day. Yeah, who knows, who knows.

652
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Speaker 8: I think it's kind of worth noting as of right

653
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Speaker 8: now when we're recording this, everyone is kind of treating

654
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Speaker 8: this as if this is over. But except for the

655
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Speaker 8: German finance minister who said, quote, it's good they are

656
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Speaker 8: engaged in dialogue, we have to wait a bit and

657
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 8: not get our hopes up so soon.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is significant. That's that's the smart play too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And this is significant because Germany, as we'll get

661
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Speaker 8: to you in a second, Germany has been one of

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Speaker 8: the major EU countries that does not want to deploy

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Speaker 8: what is being called and I can't believe I'm saying this,

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Speaker 8: the trade berzuka. So it's called the to go today,

665
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Speaker 8: it's called what is the trade bazuka?

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Speaker 2: It's okay, we're all asking ourselves that, aren't.

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Speaker 8: We Okay, So before we get to the trade bazuka,

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Speaker 8: it's worth noting that in terms of the retaliation that

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Speaker 8: has been being planned by the EU against the US

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Speaker 8: for trying to do this, there's actually two different things

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Speaker 8: on the table.

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Speaker 4: One is a.

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Speaker 8: Package of tariffs that we've actually talked about before on

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Speaker 8: this show. That was the package of tariffs that EU

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Speaker 8: developed as part of the trade negotiations. Well, basically it

676
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Speaker 8: was developed in response to Liberation Day tariffs last year.

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Speaker 8: They'd been suspended as part of trade negotiations with the US,

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Speaker 8: and the US and the EU had finally reached an

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Speaker 8: agreement and then Trump said this and the EU backed out.

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Speaker 8: So who knows what the tariff's status is going to

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Speaker 8: be and if the EU and the US are going

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Speaker 8: to continue to have come to this agreement that was

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Speaker 8: supposed to stave these things. So these retaliatory terrifts were

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Speaker 8: supposed to go into effect on February seventh, we had

685
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Speaker 8: just negotiated it not coming in. These are a bunch

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Speaker 8: of targeted tariffs on a bunch of US goods that

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Speaker 8: are specifically designed to hit red states. The most famous

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Speaker 8: of these is, for example, there's there's specific tariffs on

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Speaker 8: like Kentucky bourbon and whiskey and stuff, but it also

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Speaker 8: hits Boeing, a bunch of rude consumer goods. It's just

691
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Speaker 8: like chewing gum. It's on roughly one hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 8: of US goods. I think the biggest pressure points here

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Speaker 8: are Boeing. In general, dynamics tariffs on car companies. There's

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Speaker 8: also very importantly there was a twenty five percent tariff

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Speaker 8: in here on soybeans, which I think is a major

696
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Speaker 8: leverage point because the US continues to need a market

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Speaker 8: to sell all the soybeans to China.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not buying and yeah, China ain't buying them

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Speaker 2: right now. We just had another month where they bought

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Speaker 2: none of our soybeans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So these are the tariffs that the EU was going

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Speaker 3: to put into effect on February seventh in response to

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Speaker 3: the Greenland tariffs.

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Speaker 8: No, okay, sorry, back this up. This is a tariff

706
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Speaker 8: measure that was originally designed back in May of last

707
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Speaker 8: year in response to Trump's original ride of tariffs, a

708
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Speaker 8: Liberation Day tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So they've been suspended until now, and they were about

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Speaker 8: to just not go into effect at all. However, the

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Speaker 8: EU immediately has been like, okay, maybe we are going

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Speaker 8: to impose these ones.

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Speaker 3: Wow, got it because of Trump's new because greenlands leverage tariffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see.

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Speaker 8: So this is this is one of the two options.

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Speaker 4: EU has.

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Speaker 8: The other option and this is okay, getting those tariffs

719
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Speaker 8: would be a little bit difficult, but that's significantly the

720
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Speaker 8: more likely option. The other option, the thing you've been

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Speaker 8: hearing about, which is the trade Bazuka.

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Speaker 3: Which was also my my grinder screen name at the

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Speaker 3: RNC trade bzuk.

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Speaker 6: You either get it? Are you deaf?

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Speaker 4: You can?

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Speaker 6: This is great?

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Speaker 8: This is great? Okay, So all right, what what? What

728
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Speaker 8: is the trade bazuka? We're just going to move past that.

729
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Speaker 2: So it's what a lot of Republicans were asking themselves

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Oh God, diego trending term in Minneapolis, Org.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So the trade Bazuka is an anti coercion instrument

733
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Speaker 8: that was originally designed by the EU in the early

734
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Speaker 8: twenty twenties as a response to some bullshit that China

735
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Speaker 8: pulled with Lithuania over embassy stuff in Taiwan. It's a

736
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Speaker 8: whole thing. I'm not going to explain it here, but

737
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Speaker 8: these measures are I think maybe the most extraordinary measures

738
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Speaker 8: that I've seen. These measures, if they went into effect,

739
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Speaker 8: would be more serious than the Liberation Day tariffs. They

740
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Speaker 8: are very very difficult to enact. They require fifteen of

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Speaker 8: the twenty seven EU members. There has to be an

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Speaker 8: investigation process. There's a whole thing, and the negotiations have

743
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Speaker 8: to actually break down. And this is where it's really

744
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Speaker 8: difficult because Germany in particular does not really seem to

745
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Speaker 8: want to do this. However, Trump has played this very

746
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Speaker 8: badly in the sense that two of his natural allies

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Speaker 8: in the EU are the UK and Norway, who he

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Speaker 8: just was threatening to leverage tariffs on.

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Speaker 2: So you can't part of the EU anymore.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, well for yeah, but those those are his

751
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Speaker 8: two European allies, and the UK still has significant leverage

752
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Speaker 8: inside of their Now what is interesting is that Fraun

753
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Speaker 8: has called first deployment if Trump presses to, you know,

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Speaker 8: move on Greenland. So the question sort of is what

755
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 8: does this thing do And the short answer is everything.

756
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Speaker 8: The long answer is incredibly long, and the medium answer

757
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Speaker 8: is if you go read the document. I read it,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to roughly based by description of what it

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Speaker 8: can do on Willer Hail, which is a law firm's

760
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Speaker 8: version of it. So there's ten things they can do.

761
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Speaker 8: They can put on tariffs, they can do import export

762
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Speaker 8: restrictions on goods, they can impose trade restrictions in general.

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Speaker 8: They can impose restrictions on government procurement and contracts, and

764
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Speaker 8: what goods are bought by governments. They can do services restrictions,

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Speaker 8: they can do foreign direct investment restrictions, they can do

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Speaker 8: restrictions on intellectual property right protections. They can do capital

767
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Speaker 8: controls of financial services restrictions. They can do chemical rescriptions

768
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Speaker 8: and like sanitary goods restrictions, so they can stop the

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Speaker 8: US from importing goods to the EU. They can prevent

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Speaker 8: EU governments from giving contracts to the US companies or

771
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Speaker 8: buying anything from the US. They can restrict American intellectual

772
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Speaker 8: property rights, which I don't even know what that would do.

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Speaker 5: I think that means that they can all pirate whatever

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Speaker 5: they want.

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, right, that rules.

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Speaker 4: Spain did this for a long time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like we're firing the trade Bazuka and now

778
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 8: you can use every Disney character like Disney would rise up.

779
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just flood the market with with Mickey Mouse pornography.

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Speaker 2: That is that is part of the EU's response package.

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Speaker 6: I mean that, no, that that already falls under fair

782
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Speaker 6: you Strawbert.

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Speaker 2: Not the way I do it, Garrison, not the way

784
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Speaker 2: I do it.

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Speaker 6: These are technically two different Mickey Mouses.

786
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Speaker 4: Technically this is no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: I've been very clear about which Mickey mouse is in

788
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Speaker 2: my pornography.

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Speaker 8: So the reason this is being called like the trade

790
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Speaker 8: bizuk or the nuclear option is that the actual once

791
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Speaker 8: this is enacted, which is very difficult, the actual limits

792
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 8: and what they can do are almost on existence. They

793
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 8: can once they've targeted it, it can kind of do

794
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 8: whatever you wanted to do to the extent that they

795
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 8: could in theory basically shut down all trade with the US.

796
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Speaker 5: Why didn't they call it the trade death star? I

797
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 5: zook is not thinking big enough, like that takes out

798
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Speaker 5: a tank.

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Speaker 8: Jenny Whitely. I think it's being called the bazuko because

800
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Speaker 8: the people reporting on this haven't actually read it and

801
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 8: have not thought through the implications of what this thing does,

802
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Speaker 8: which is that, like Jesus Christ.

803
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Speaker 5: The trade mutually assured destruction device.

804
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's.

805
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Speaker 5: Isn't mutually assured destruction? Is that what this whole thing

806
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Speaker 5: is built around?

807
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, because the the EU's economy will also plunge.

808
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 8: But yeah, so this was originally designed around China specifically,

809
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Speaker 8: but it's designed effectively as a nuke, right, You're not

810
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Speaker 8: supposed to have to ever get to the point where

811
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Speaker 8: you're invoking it. It's designed to be a set of

812
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Speaker 8: trade things that is so damaging that no one in

813
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Speaker 8: their right mind would possibly risk it happening. Unfortunately, our

814
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Speaker 8: president is Donald Trump. Heah, we are yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 8: that's that's that's sort of nuclear option here. I want

816
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Speaker 8: to mention one other thing which Robert Bluefly touched on earlier,

817
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Speaker 8: which is there's been a lot of discussion of a

818
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 8: quote from a report by the guy who is Deutsche

819
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Speaker 8: Banks head of Foreign exchange Research, and he's talking about

820
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Speaker 8: how much treasury bond is owned.

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Speaker 2: But you I mean a lot. There are primary treasury

822
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Speaker 2: bond holders, right, like the four In terms of foreign

823
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Speaker 2: treasury bond holders.

824
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, between that and stocks, it's like eight trillion dollars.

825
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and treasury bonds. By the way, the fact that

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Speaker 2: the EU is like our primary foreign treasury bond holder,

827
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Speaker 2: like treasury bonds and foreign countries holding them is why

828
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Speaker 2: the dollar is the reserve currency. It's why if you

829
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Speaker 2: are wanting to like ransom someone or buy illegal guns

830
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Speaker 2: and drugs anywhere in the world, they're more likely to

831
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Speaker 2: use dollars than euros. That is changing, you know, in

832
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Speaker 2: the in the international crime game, but the dollar is

833
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Speaker 2: still the default foreign currency. People are the world needed

834
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Speaker 2: a currency that's universally valued. The dollar is the best bet,

835
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Speaker 2: and it's because of how treasury bonds work, right, Like,

836
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Speaker 2: that's I'm oversimplifying, but that's a.

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Speaker 4: Big part of it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So okay, I'm going to read the actual quote here.

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Speaker 8: In an environment where the geoeconomic stability of the Western

840
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Speaker 8: Alliance is being disrupted existentially, it is not clear why

841
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Speaker 8: Europeans would be willing to play this part. To translate

842
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 8: this from like banking into what is he actually saying.

843
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 8: What he is arguing here is that there is the

844
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Speaker 8: potential for these countries to stop buying US treasury bonds

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Speaker 8: and effectively pull out of American assets. It's not quite

846
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 8: that easy, but this, this would be the what we

847
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 8: was talking about is the is the end of the

848
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Speaker 8: US all or as reserve currency. And he's also very

849
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Speaker 8: specifically this is about the fact that the dollar status

850
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Speaker 8: is reserve currency, is a thing that is allowing the

851
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Speaker 8: US military to carry out these kind of operations. Up

852
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Speaker 8: until yesterday when he said this, the only people I

853
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 8: have ever seen actually say this are you know, I

854
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 8: mean economist who I like as people like David Hudson,

855
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 8: David Graeber talks about this, but like, this is a

856
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Speaker 8: thing that you could only say if you were like

857
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Speaker 8: a Marxist or an anarchist, and now you have Deutsche

858
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Speaker 8: Bank analysts saying it. And this is something that was impossible,

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Speaker 8: like two days ago, that there would actually be serious

860
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Speaker 8: discussion of, you know, using as a geopolitical tool like

861
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Speaker 8: getting out of US Treasury bonds, which means ending the

862
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Speaker 8: US dollar as a reserve currency.

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Speaker 6: And this was a big enough deal.

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Speaker 8: That the US Secretary of the Treasury is claiming that

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Speaker 8: Deutsche Bank called him to disavow the analysis.

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Speaker 6: Wow, it's unclear if that's true or not.

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Speaker 8: But this, I think is one of the things that

868
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Speaker 8: really panicked them in terms of why Trump backed off,

869
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Speaker 8: was there are multiple nuclear options that are being put

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Speaker 8: on the table for the first time ever. And I

871
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 8: think that that and the down route was enough to

872
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 8: just panic them for at least one day. And we'll

873
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 8: see what tomorrow holds. But yeah, this is a really

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Speaker 8: significant shift in what is able to be discussed in

875
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Speaker 8: terms of reactions to what the US is doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what else is the United States?

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Speaker 3: These ads another flawless Robert Evans moment everybody.

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Speaker 2: And we're back, all right? What else we got to

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Speaker 2: talk to? Anything else happened in the entire world?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there actually there is two more Davos thinks very

882
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Speaker 3: briefly that I think we should get to before we

883
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: kind of end with some other updates on ongoing stories

884
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: and situations that we've been covering on the Pod for

885
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: a while. But when Mia was talking about how this

886
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: is this sort of analysis was only used by you know,

887
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: like Marxist or certain tymes of anarchists before that is

888
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: now getting kind of paid lip service on a national stage.

889
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: That reminded me a little bit of Canadian Prime Minister

890
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: Mark Carney's Davos speech yesterday whoo, which addressed some similar

891
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: things on the fiction of the quote rules based international order.

892
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: Christ, holy shit, I mean I agree with that description

893
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: of the rules based international order.

894
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 4: Mark Connie has been reading my book.

895
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's let's let's take a lesson.

896
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 9: We knew the story of the international rules based order

897
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 9: was partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient,

898
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 9: that trade rules were enforced asymmetrically, and we knew that

899
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 9: international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity

900
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 9: of the accused or the victim. This fiction was useful.

901
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 9: An American had geminy in particular help provide public goods,

902
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 9: open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and

903
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 9: support for frameworks for resolving disputes. So we placed the

904
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 9: sign in the window, we participated in the rituals, and

905
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 9: we largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.

906
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 9: This bargain no longer works. Let me be direct. We

907
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 9: are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

908
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 9: Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy,

909
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 9: and geopolitics have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.

910
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 9: But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration

911
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 9: as weapons. Tariffs's leverage, financial infrastructure is coercion, supply chains

912
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 9: as vulnerabilities to be exploited. You cannot live within the

913
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 9: lie of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the

914
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 9: source of your subordination.

915
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.

916
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really remarkable to hear the political leader of

917
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: Canada being like it was always very clearly a lie.

918
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: The rules based international order, where the United States exempted

919
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: itself because it had power. But we pretended that this

920
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: wasn't happening. We like acknowledging that, Like we ignored them

921
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: breaking the rules because it was convenient for Canada.

922
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, it totally worked out well for us until now

923
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 5: it doesn't work out so well for us anymore.

924
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 8: Like I should invading a rock It was fine, but

925
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 8: now like, yeah, fucking it might invade us one day.

926
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, it's really interesting, just totally pulling back

927
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: the curtain on this type of neoliberalism here.

928
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love too.

929
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: Every time you get someone who would never ever give,

930
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 2: like anarchists or anarchist political theory the light of day,

931
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: like independently come to a conclusion very late. That is

932
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: like that that anarchists has been yelling about for you, Like, yes,

933
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: it's a fiction. The rules based international order is a

934
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: fiction all the like, everyone's playing lip service to these ideas,

935
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: knowing the US has exempted itself because hiding behind the

936
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: big guy is convenient. But that's a bad idea. The

937
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: thing that people who knew anything were saying when we

938
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: invaded Iraq, which was, if you let them get away

939
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: with this, no one will ever be safe. That's the

940
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: way and all those people got pushed aside, is like, no,

941
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: you're just being hysteric, Like you're just being like that

942
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: you don't have like a real understanding of politics and

943
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: how it works. And there will never be any kind

944
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: of reckoning of people being like, oh yeah, all of

945
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: like the all of the people who were like inconveniently

946
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: critical were right twenty something years ago. They'll never say that,

947
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: but it's fun to see them admit it, like, you know,

948
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: kind of obliquely.

949
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like he's been reading Charles Tilly. It's

950
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 4: kind of kind of remarkable.

951
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: Carni did write this speech himself. That's something that he

952
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: has come out and said that this was not like

953
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: some speech writer who's pulling from like whatever, like you know,

954
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: Neil Liberal bookshelf is popular right now, Like he specifically

955
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: wrote this himself.

956
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he just crimmed from that book I

957
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: read as a kid. The Emperor has no clothes like clothes.

958
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: So before the announcement of this ambiguous Greenland deal, which

959
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: neither the European authorities nor Trump has really given any

960
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: details of yet. But but before this, Trump did speak

961
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: au Davos on Wednesday, where he confused to Greenland for

962
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: Iceland and said that they called him, quote unquote daddy.

963
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: God damn it.

964
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 6: Play the clip.

965
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 10: I'm helping Europe, I'm helping NATO, and I've until the

966
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 10: last few days. When I told him about Iceland, they

967
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 10: loved me. They called me daddy right last time. Oh God,

968
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 10: very smart man said he's our daddy. He's running it.

969
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 10: I was like running it. I went from running it

970
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 10: to being a terrible human being.

971
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 6: Very cool, mister president.

972
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, based on the reporting acknowledging that he multiple times,

973
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: not just in this clip, said Iceland when he meant Greenland.

974
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: Carolyn Levitt, the Press secretary, responded by saying, no, his

975
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Speaker 3: written remarks referred to Greenland as a quote unquote piece

976
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: of ice, because that's what it is, unquote, so saying

977
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: that he was literally calling Greenland like an ice land. Anyway,

978
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: the emperor is totally wearing clothes. I don't know what

979
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: you're talking about.

980
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 8: What's that mon mothic quote about. They don't even bother

981
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 8: to lie badly anymore.

982
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's the worst excuse I've ever It's incredible

983
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: ice Land.

984
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it's got to be a remarkable thing to

985
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: be in her position. Right, and just be like, what

986
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: the fuck am I going to come up with? Like,

987
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: how do I what? What? What are we going to

988
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 4: spin here?

989
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 6: Ice paws?

990
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: Land, space Land, Yeah, Land, one word.

991
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 6: It's incredible. Wait what you go?

992
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 8: Girl?

993
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 6: Go off?

994
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

995
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 6: Wow.

996
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: Later at the CEO reception dinner, Trump said this, Oh god.

997
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 10: We had good reviews in that speech. Usually they say

998
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 10: he's a horrible dictator type person. I'm gonna dictator, but

999
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 10: sometimes you need a dictator, but they didn't say that

1000
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 10: in this case.

1001
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: Sure, my guy.

1002
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: Shirt oh man, of course they didn't.

1003
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 4: I wonder why. Yeah.

1004
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: Multiple times during this speech he was like, if it

1005
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 3: weren't for the United States and you'd all be speaking

1006
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: German and maybe a little Japanese, it's like incredible.

1007
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did he think?

1008
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: Like yeah, how did he think that, like control was

1009
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: going to break down between those two countries.

1010
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 6: Slowly giving Japan.

1011
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: Right on Sundays it's Japan and the rest of the

1012
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 4: time it's German.

1013
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: Incredible, Yeah, Japan pulling up like your deadbeat dad to

1014
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: be like, look this weekend your mind.

1015
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: If it wasn't a horrific monster, be really funny. We're

1016
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: eating sushi.

1017
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 6: He's so funny. He is.

1018
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: Really he's our funniest president by a wide margin.

1019
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 6: Evil, but he's so funny.

1020
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1021
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: The way he pronounced dictator where there was like a

1022
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: slight pause.

1023
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: Like he legitimately has good timing as a presenter, it's

1024
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: actually two words, Sophie.

1025
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 4: He was saying dick and then tata, like the contraction

1026
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: of potato.

1027
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Like it sounded like he was giving a recipe.

1028
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 4: I was like, what are we doing here?

1029
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, here, do we have anything else from Davos?

1030
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 3: No, I think that's all for Davos, one of the

1031
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: funnier Davos is in recent memory.

1032
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 5: I agree.

1033
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now we.

1034
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 3: Just have some sad news that James is probably gonna say.

1035
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I guess if we start with a run right.

1036
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 4: Protests are continuing. The BBC had a piece today where

1037
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 4: they were leaked to photos of hundreds of the people

1038
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: who have been killed. Jesus, there's three hundred and twenty

1039
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 4: six fight TEMs, including eighteen women. The reason that they

1040
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 4: were able to get these images is it seems that

1041
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: people went to the mortuary and had to look through

1042
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: a slide show of the faces of people who have

1043
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 4: been killed, many of whom are so disfigured that they're

1044
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 4: unrecognizable and they have to flick through hundreds of images

1045
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 4: of these brutalized human remains in order to try and

1046
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: identify their loved ones. Right, it is unimaginable the scale

1047
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: of state violence. Godayin had an interview on his Twitter

1048
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: or his ex dot com right that with people with

1049
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: someone inside Iran, which I'd encourage people to read and

1050
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: which we'll link in the show notes. But like, people

1051
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: continue to be in the streets there and the state

1052
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 4: continues to meet them with absolutely horrific violence. And talking

1053
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: of horrific violence, I want to move now to Syria, right,

1054
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 4: specifically to Syria in Kurdistan and the I guess majority

1055
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: Arab parts of Syria that had previously been part of

1056
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 4: the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria.

1057
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 9: Right.

1058
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: Last week we talked about fighting in Aleppo, and then

1059
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: we spoke about like fighting moving towards euphrates. Right, fighting

1060
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 4: has now moved past where it was last week, and

1061
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 4: it's moving dangerously closed to Kamichhlo and Hesseka, which are

1062
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 4: the two biggest Kurdish cities. Hesseka is not just a

1063
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: city where Kurdish people live right Arab people. I mean

1064
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: not neither of these are right Arab people. Are Syrian people,

1065
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 4: are Meinian people, right, uzds. The Anes was a multi

1066
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: ethnic project like that. That's what distinguished sdfrom from the

1067
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 4: YPG and the YPGA right, that they were multi ethnic,

1068
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 4: they weren't just Kurdish.

1069
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1070
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 4: The way that this has occurred is that the Syrian

1071
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 4: Transitional Government has been able to flip multiple tribal groups

1072
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 4: who are mostly Arab who had previously fought alongside the

1073
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: SDF as part of the SDF right, but have now

1074
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 4: flipped to the side of the Syrian Transitional Government. So

1075
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 4: it leaves the SDF with previously units that have been

1076
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 4: there suddenly flipping, and they have lost huge amounts of

1077
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: territory to include Raka, famously.

1078
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: Former capital of the Islamic State.

1079
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, the former capital where thousands died both as a

1080
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: result of is violence and in the fighting for the

1081
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: city and a result as a result of civilians died

1082
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 4: as a result of coalition bombing during the fighting for

1083
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: the city.

1084
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 6: Right.

1085
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 4: There have been absolutely horrific images of the brutalization of

1086
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 4: the remains of captured YPG and YPGA fighters. Right men

1087
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: and women. We have seen executions. This is not just

1088
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: that executions are happening. It is that people who are

1089
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 4: fighting not necessarily in the Syrian Arab Army, but in

1090
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: at least alliance with the Syrian transitional government, have been

1091
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 4: so comfortable carrying out summary executions that they have decided

1092
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 4: to film and share them. So on Monday, muslium Abdi, right,

1093
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: the general of the Syrian Democratic Forces, traveled to Damascus

1094
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: to attempt to negotiate a peace and was not able

1095
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 4: to do that. It seems that he was offered some

1096
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 4: kind of position, but he didn't want the position. There

1097
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 4: was not also some kind of autonomy backstops for the

1098
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 4: remaining areas of the AAN e S right, and so

1099
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Speaker 4: as a result, there was a general mobilization in the

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Speaker 4: AAN E S. People from Bakur so, people from northern

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Speaker 4: Kurdistan have crossed the border. There's a border wall fence

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Speaker 4: wall depending where you're at, in between Turkish Kurdistan and

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Speaker 4: Syrian Kurdistan, right, and at one point people have broken

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Speaker 4: that down and young people have entered into Syrian Kurdistan

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Speaker 4: to fight to defend the cities that are still part

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Speaker 4: of the ANS. The counter Terrorism Group of the p

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Speaker 4: UK has entered Syen Kurdistan. That's quite surprising, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: which is the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Yeah, which is

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Speaker 4: an Iraqi Kurdish political party effectively.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is not aligned.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, they're not lefty, right or they're not democratic

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Speaker 5: and federalist.

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Speaker 4: No, they I mean were at some point like.

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Speaker 2: They are now today basically like an arm of the

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Speaker 2: Kurdish quote unquote state in northern Iraq. Right, they were

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Speaker 2: originally more of an actual political party and did have

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Speaker 2: some socialist elements. That's not really super relevant to what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the ideology is not the same as the ideology

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Speaker 4: that you have seen in im Rushaba.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I have not since Kabani have you

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Speaker 4: seen more unity of Kurdish people regardless of politics. Right,

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Speaker 4: Like a sort of statement from the Gasista, from Bazani,

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Speaker 4: from Talibani. So these are the two major political figures

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Speaker 4: in Iraqi. Cur is done. I've seen Kurdish religious leaders

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Speaker 4: making statements, right because people are afraid of an ethnic cleansing,

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Speaker 4: because they have seen the ethnic cleansings of the Drus

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Speaker 4: and the Alah Whites that have already happened. Under the STG. Right,

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Speaker 4: it's worth noting I guess at this point, like for

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Speaker 4: whatever reason, they have not chosen to remove the name

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Speaker 4: Arab from the country's name, like the Syrian Arab Republic,

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Speaker 4: And I think like that Syria is a multi ethnic

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Speaker 4: and very diverse country and if it is to succeed

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Speaker 4: under any form of administration, it needs to acknowledge that, right,

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Speaker 4: And it's it's really worrying to see this horrific inter

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Speaker 4: ethnic violence, and it is being massively accelerated by people

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Speaker 4: in the media right to include a lot of like

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Speaker 4: people who who might be referred to as experts. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that's a reasonable appellation, like there their expertise

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Speaker 4: is pretty limited. But nonetheless, people who like to include journalists,

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Speaker 4: telegram influencers and then think tankers in the West. People

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Speaker 4: are sharing things that are either not true or that

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Speaker 4: have not happened in this time, like telegram videos are

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Speaker 4: actually not taken in Syria this week, right, that have

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Speaker 4: taken different places and times, And we are careening towards

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Speaker 4: this not becoming a fight between two different administrative projects,

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Speaker 4: but becoming an inter ethnic conflict, right, And I think

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Speaker 4: we're pretty much there at this point, and nobody seemed

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Speaker 4: to be looking for an off ramp, which is tragic.

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Speaker 4: Like I was in Hesseica two years ago and I

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Speaker 4: was conducting interviews there and a member of this little

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Speaker 4: kid whose father had died fighting Isis and like it

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Speaker 4: was dark outside. You know, this was during a time

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Speaker 4: when when Turkey was bombing the region quite heavily, and

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Speaker 4: the little kid, I think had been struggling to sleep

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Speaker 4: because he was sleeping in the middle of the day

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Speaker 4: and then when he woke up, we were just hanging

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Speaker 4: out with his mother and I gave a little kids

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Speaker 4: some toys to play with that I brought with me,

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Speaker 4: and like, I can't help but thinking how scared that

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Speaker 4: poor little guy is now, you know, and he is

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Speaker 4: his dad's not there, right, yeah, because like twelve thousand

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Speaker 4: members of their SDF he died finding the Islamic state, right,

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Speaker 4: and now another state is coming to put his family,

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Speaker 4: his kid in danger. Like that's horrific. What people have

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Speaker 4: gone through in Syria already is too much. And like

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Speaker 4: to see more killing and dying there is heartbreaking for me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's very Briefly. On the immigration update, it appears that

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Speaker 4: immigration and Customs enforcement are now under the impression or

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Speaker 4: there they believe that they can enter homes without the

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Speaker 4: consent of the homeowner, so they can use force to

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Speaker 4: enter in order to remove someone with a final removal order,

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Speaker 4: so long as they have an administrative warrant that is

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Speaker 4: a different thing from a judicial warrant.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 4: This is often what people talk about when they talk

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Speaker 4: about does ICE have a warrant? They're looking for a

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Speaker 4: judicial warrant as opposed to warrant that they have issued

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Speaker 4: themselves an administrative warrant, and so this will obviously broaden

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Speaker 4: the amount of places that they can and times when

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Speaker 4: they end up entering people's homes by force. Right, So

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Speaker 4: we will likely be seeing more violence here as well.

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Speaker 4: Yay ooh, I'm going to put a link to a

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Speaker 4: have ASAW fundraiser at the bottom of this if you'd

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Speaker 4: like to help people in Kurdistan. There are people who've

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Speaker 4: been displaced four times now in the last few years,

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Speaker 4: ver since twenty eighteen, so if you'd like to help,

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Speaker 4: you can do that. We'll also include a fundraising link

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Speaker 4: for Minneapolis if you'd like to spend some money close

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Speaker 4: at home. If you'd like to email us You can

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Speaker 2: Well, we look forward to hearing more from Margaret and

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Speaker 2: James in Minneapolis. And I don't know, I guess that's it.

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Speaker 6: We reported the news, did we We reported the news?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of power of us.

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