1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back in everybody to the second hour of the Klay, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We have the FCC Commissioner, 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Brendan Carr with us. Now, Commissioner, appreciate you being with us. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, great to be with you. Good to be back. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Can you just walk us through this a little bit 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: because there's been there's all this stuff in the in 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: the news now headlines, some sniping back and forth over this. 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: So there was a Texas Democrat State Rep. James Talla Rico, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert, and now the FCC's name is being thrown 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: around in all this. What is this controversy? Can you 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: lay out for us, like the what the assertions have been, 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: and what the reality is surrounding this. 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: There's so many layers to this. It's really an interesting story. 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: At one level, this is a story about why trust 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: in mainstream traditional media is at an all time low. 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 2: Because for any person that is not suffering from sort 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: of a term case of Trump arrangement syndrome, it was 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: so obvious from the get go what was happening here, 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: which was that Colbert in Talla Rico concocted a scheme 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: to try to drive views and clicks and donations and 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: apparently votes by claiming falsely that the government had somehow 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: censored their program. And what happened was the truth came 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: out and CBS said no one, in fact, nobody that 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: even CBS prohibited Colbert from running the interview that he wanted. 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: They simply said, hey, if you're going to do this, 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: there's ways you can do this that complies with equal 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: time requirements, and we encourage you, apparently to do that. 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: But instead of doing that, they did that sort of 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: meme where you take the stick and poke it through 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: your own front wheel of your bicycle and fall down 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: and claim that you're the victim for review. So it 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: was pretty interesting to watch the arc of this story 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: between mainstream fake news reporters falling for this hoax that 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: was really about Democrat and Democrat violence. It was about 35 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: a politician trying to get leg up in the Democrat 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: extendate primary, and it fell apart once the fact started 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: coming to light. 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: Here is a media analyst on CNN. I've never heard 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: of this guy before, Bill Carter. I wanted to play 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: this SoundBite and then and then have you just just react, 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Just tell us what's accurate, what's not here, this has 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: cut thirteen play it. 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: There are many TV shows, which, as you pointed out, 44 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: makes this even more strange because if CBS was in 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: a different situation than that they are in and they 46 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: wanted to fight this, they could have gone to the 47 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: court and said, how can you put this rule on us? 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: And not radio? They're doing the same thing, and there's 49 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: thousands of stations that are conservative talk radio, and there's 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: no way that they would force the rule against them. 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: So it does seem like selective regulation against them. So 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: I'm surprised that maybe ABC will do that if they 53 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: would go after Kimmel again. 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: But frankly, I just think that it's embarrassing. 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: It really is embarrassing to me that you have Trump 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: reacting to this small cadre of critics. 57 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: Every president has. 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: Been criticized by Late ITV, only this one wants the 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: sick as FCC. 60 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: On them, sick his FCC on them. He says, what's 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: really going on here? 62 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: Well, you step back. There's a rule that's been on 63 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: the books. In fact, it's a statute going back to 64 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties that says, if you're going to put 65 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: a legally qualified candidate for office, on broadcast radio or TV, 66 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: so he's wrong. There doesn't fly to radio as well. 67 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: Then you have to offer comparable time and placement to 68 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: other legally qualified candidates. In over the last twenty or 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: thirty years, people have misread or over read SEC case 70 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: law and they've just assumed that everything from the View 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: to Colbert is bonified news. Because if you're bonified news, 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: you don't have to comply with the equal time requirement. 73 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: And all we've done is remind people that if you 74 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: think you're bonified news, meaning not fake news, then come 75 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: to us and we will adjudicate whether you qualify for 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: the exception. But other than that, you got to comply 77 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: with equal time. And why did Congress do this. It's 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: pretty simple. They didn't want establishment media gatekeepers siding who 79 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: will win elections. They wanted the actual people in the 80 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: voters to decide it. So they said, you can't take 81 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: your broadcast facilities and put your thumb on the scale 82 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: for one particular candidate, and if you do that, you've 83 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: got to open your facilities up to the other candidates. 84 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: So it's about more speech. And this idea that this 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: was somehow Trump's censoring people makes no sense. At all. 86 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: Had they applied and complied with equal time, it would 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: have been more airtime for more Democrats to say more 88 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: of whatever they wanted to say about Trump or anybody else. 89 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: But again, they just decided to run this hoax that 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: this was about censorship because they knew that most of 91 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: the mainstream media would have this comply with their priors, 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: and they would run the story and it, you know, 93 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: the facts simply weren't there. 94 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Well, this seems to be a replay at some level 95 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: of the of the Kimmel playbook, where they claim victim 96 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: and they act like there's been this terrible wrong done 97 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: to some Democrat mouthpiece in the media, and then they 98 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: get a boost in ratings, they get all this attention, 99 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: and they have you idiot celebrities who are standing with 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: them in solidarity. So I guess it worked for them 101 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: in that case, and so they're trying to just replay 102 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: this for attention and for clicks. 103 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: That's right. This seems to be the exact playbook. It's 104 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: the same thing we saw with Kimmel, which is just 105 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: nothing but projection and distortion. It was so amazing for 106 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: a media, for an observer of the media, here was 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: this episode where this politician, the Democrat Senate primary in Texas, 108 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: put out a tweet I think before daylight on the 109 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: East coast, claiming that he was censored by the Trump 110 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: administration when no one here had anything to do with it, 111 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: and then within minutes hours the entire mainstream media apparatus 112 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: just turned on a dime, like a school of fish 113 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: or a bunch of lemmings, and it just reveals the 114 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: cartel nature of so much of the national newsman. And 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: then later in the day the facts came out and 116 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: so that's not what happened at all. And then they say, 117 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: well the nearest shifts, Well, well, the administration must be 118 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: so awful that we were fooled by this that we 119 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: thought this could possibly have taken place. There's no reflection. 120 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: I mean, these journalists are fed total slop by these candidates, 121 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: and they've got no problem regurgitating it, and when they're 122 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: called out for it, they seem to be happy that 123 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: they were part and parcel of another hoax. 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: We're speaking of FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr right now, and Commissioner, 125 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: what enforcement actions, if any, do you either or underway 126 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: has been taken or do you think may be taken 127 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: when when it pertains to the equal time rule. I mean, 128 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: is it's one thing to have a rule, it's another 129 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: thing to enforce it. Is there a likelihood that the FCC, 130 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: if people continue to completely ignore this, will do something. 131 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, we already have enforcement action underway with 132 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 2: respect to Disney in the View. Disney apparently is taking 133 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: the position that the View is bonafide news and therefore 134 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: doesn't have to comply with equal time provisions. We've already 135 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: taken enforcement action there. We've begun our enforcement process, and 136 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: we're going to see that through to the end. And 137 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: we're going to expect all the broadcasters to comply with 138 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: these provisions. If they don't like it, that's okay. They 139 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: can go to Congress and try to change it, or 140 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: they can turn in their license. They can simply broadcast 141 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: as content over a streaming service or a cable channel, 142 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: because those are not subjects as requirements, just broadcast TV 143 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: and radio. But we're going to insist on people complying 144 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: with the law as passed by Congress. Again, broadcast is 145 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 2: just fundamentally different than any other means of distribution of programming, 146 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: and I get that people don't understand that because you 147 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: just see a screen and you don't know that is 148 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: it cable, is it streaming? Is it broadcast? 149 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Can you actually? I think not to interrupt you, Commissioner, 150 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: but I think it's important people what does fall You've 151 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: mentioned this, but what and why do certain things fall 152 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: under FCC rules that you mentioned. Cable, for example, does not? 153 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: What is that justinction? Where does that come from? I 154 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: just think that's important background for people to have. 155 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: It really is. So in order to broadcast, that means 156 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: you're using the public airwaves that's a finite natural resource, 157 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: and you get a license by the government to use 158 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: a particular channel. When the government gives you a license, 159 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: they're necessarily excluding other people from having the ability to 160 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: use that spectrum of their own viewpoint. So if you 161 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: are on a podcast or a cable channel or a soapbox, 162 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: the government isn't excluding anybody. Everybody has a right basically 163 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: to stand up a business and do that. And so 164 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: when you're on a podcast, all you have to look 165 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: out for is your own viewpoints, your own partisan politics, 166 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: whatever you want. I give a license, the government says 167 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: you must stand in the shoes effectively of people that 168 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: were denied that microphone, and so you have an obligation 169 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: to operate with what we call is in the public interest, 170 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: not in some narrow partisan interest, which would be perfectly 171 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: fine on a CAM or a streaming service or podcast. 172 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: But broadcast is a licensed by the government. It means 173 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: you've excluded other people, and it means you have to 174 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: operate as sort of a public trust model. That's the 175 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: bargain that you that you agree to to get free 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: access to this valuable public resource of the airwaves. 177 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't even have cable TV commissioners, so I'm kind 178 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: of out of the loop on some of these things. 179 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: But when it comes to broadcast television, are a lot 180 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: of people, isn't that like? How remember the old TVs 181 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: they had the antlers, the antennas on top, and that 182 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: would are people watching CBS via the broadcast or is 183 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: it digital? How does that work? Just the technology of it, 184 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: I'm curious about. 185 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: There's a fall percentage of people that still get their 186 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: broadcast TV, as he would say, over the year, through 187 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: the old rabbit years that we used to have to 188 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: tune when we were kids. But a lot of people 189 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: get it obviously through their cable service. As well, and 190 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: the rules and regulations effectively apply to broadcast as over 191 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: cable to the sense of that cable channel is the 192 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: same programming that you would get over the year. But 193 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: also highlights why I think it's important to enforce these rules, 194 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: which is there are so many other different ways of 195 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: getting programming out there. So if you don't want these 196 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: rules and requirements, go to cable, go to streaming, and 197 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: go to YouTube. But if you want to distribute to 198 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: this one particular unique medium, then you've got to comply 199 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: with the rules and regulations that apply to it. And again, 200 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: over the years, the FCC had simply walked away from 201 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: enforcing that. I don't I don't think we're better off 202 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: for that. 203 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: Can I ask you, as would it fall under your 204 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: remit at the FCC these spam textures is the can 205 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: you fix this, commissioner, go ahead, we. 206 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 2: Are we are, we are working on this. Most of 207 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: the coverage of the SEC has to do with our 208 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: media regulation policy because it likes to talk about the media. 209 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: But we have a really significant workstream going on what 210 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: we call even egal robo calls, and we're tapped in 211 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: the issue with every single portion of the light like 212 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: we're making it harder for bad actors to get phone numbers. 213 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: We're making it really harder for foreign call centers to 214 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: deliver traffic here, even legitimate foreign call centers like I've 215 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: United as a call center in Guatemala. We are looking 216 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: at additional regulations to compel them to disclose that this 217 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: is a call center outside the US, not one inside 218 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: the US. And so we're doing a lot of work. 219 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: It's not just US, it's FTC, it's state attorney generals, 220 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: we're all working to try to crack down on this 221 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: robo call problem. We're making some progress, but obviously we're 222 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: you know a ways all from mission accomplished on that. 223 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Well, it's just good to know someone's on it because 224 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: it drives me and I think a lot of people 225 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: listening with us right now drives them nuts. And it's 226 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: so it's such a time waster. It also opens the 227 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: door to a lot of elder fraud because people just 228 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: assume I got a call, a number showed up. You know, 229 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: the person sounds nice and legitimate, and they're actually from 230 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, my whatever company or my credit card company, 231 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: and of course, you know, turns out that it's it's scam. 232 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: So cutting down on this, I just think across the board, 233 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: and by the way, I think that's probably like a 234 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: ninety five. There aren't that many issues in politics, but 235 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: I think cutting down on spam calls and you know, 236 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, robo calls, this a way to make the 237 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: SEC very very popular. 238 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, and we're going to be continuing to 239 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: ramp up our efforts here because we're seeing increasingly, to 240 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: your point, elder fraud or people are impersonating things. You 241 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: see it with direct messages to people through Facebook. They 242 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: either claim any businesses or people. It is a rampant 243 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: vector right now for fraud. I think almost everybody either 244 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: has you know, a parent or a friend or a 245 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: neighbor that's been victimized through either these impersonation calls or 246 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: Facebook dms. And I do think you're going to see 247 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: us continue to ramp up our effort to crack down 248 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: on that. 249 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: FCC Commissioner Car appreciate you really explaining in detail what's 250 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: going on here, setting the record straight, and please come 251 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: back anytime. 252 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Good to be with you. 253 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,359 Speaker 1: We're just talking looking about older fraud using text messages 254 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: and using these different things that are out there. It's 255 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: all over the place. It's really bad. We're talking to 256 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: the SEC Commissioner about this. And you want to be 257 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: protected from this, my friends, to the greatest possible degree, 258 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: which is why you got to get LifeLock. I've had 259 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: LifeLock for years and look, there's so much out there. 260 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: Your data can get exposed. Hackers can get access to 261 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: your stuff, spoofers, spammers, all of this. But for example, 262 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: there's a government contractor called Conduit. They process medical billing 263 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: want the large latest companies to admit a large scale 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: data breach, so their data was exposed for three months. 265 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Then the breach was discovered, So twenty five million Americans 266 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: had their health insurance info exposed. A lot of them 267 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: are living live in Texas. By the way, cyber hackers 268 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: got a hold of names, social security numbers, medical data, 269 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: health insurance info. Look, you just want to be protected. 270 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: You want someone watching your back online. 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Want to take your top acts and your calls, 281 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: my friend and uh also remind you that Chip Roy's 282 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: gonna join us in a third hour. We're gonna do 283 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: a politics policy nerd deep dive into the Save Act, 284 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: into the partial government shutdown, the demands about ice from 285 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: the Democrat, Like you're gonna know more from the conversation 286 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna have with Congressman Congressman Roy than anyone who's 287 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: going on TV over at the MS. Now, that's for darting, sure, 288 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: talking and spouting off about it. So I really want 289 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: to get get into that because those are those are 290 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: important issues. Obviously the entire of our election, something this 291 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: administration is still very energized by and focused on for 292 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: obvious reasons, really does matter. And I think that the 293 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: American people need to know where the two sides, Democratic 294 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: and Republican fall on this issue. So we will I 295 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: promise you we'll get into some real real policy stuff 296 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: on that one. You know, Chip Roy knows the ins 297 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: and outs on that. And we have a talk back 298 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: a let's hit it. 299 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 5: This is David and Hendersonville, Tennessee. Wanted to thank you 300 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: all for carrying on after Rush back in twenty twenty one, 301 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 5: I lost two of the most important people in my life, 302 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 5: especially law On my mother, So thank you all for 303 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 5: carrying on and take care. 304 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: Well. 305 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: David in Tennessee, thank you so much for listening and 306 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: condolences on your losses there. And yes, we all lost 307 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: Rush five years ago yesterday a voice that brought us 308 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: all so much, so much comfort was a friend. Also, 309 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: I just can't give a better answer than this. Whenever 310 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: someone asked me this, say, how how'd you know you 311 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: wanted to do talk radio? And how did you learn 312 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: how to do talk radio? And the answer that the 313 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: real answers is listening to Rush. It's how I learned, 314 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: It's how I know or how I knew that I 315 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: wanted to do it. So there was Yeah, that's when 316 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: someone has had that profound and effect on your life. 317 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: As I sit here now doing radio for a limiting Yeah, 318 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: of course you think back to it and the team, 319 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: by the way that is with us here that pulled 320 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: together a tribute for Rush that you could listen to yesterday. 321 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: I know many of you did. Some of them were 322 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: with Rush for over twenty years, so you want to 323 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: talk about someone that they remember in the fondest terms 324 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: and had the most profound impact on their lives. The 325 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: team that's still running this show today was with Rush 326 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: for twenty most of them worth Rush for twenty plus years. 327 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: So we got all your emails and all of your 328 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: feedback on our remembrance of Rush yesterday, and we we 329 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: really do appreciate it, and we every year, you know what, 330 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: every year we'll take that moment to say thank you 331 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: for what he did and for the role that he 332 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: played in so many of our lives as a trusted 333 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: voice and a trusted friend and obviously a patriot for 334 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: this country, someone who did so much good. Now we have, 335 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: like I said, we have Chip Roy coming up in 336 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: the third hour. I want to get into this the 337 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: issue of where things are going with trans surgeries and 338 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: the liability that now is emerging for those who have 339 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: done surgery on minors. This is having a real effect. 340 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: And there's some breaking news that is coming out about 341 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: this that I want to address, and we will get 342 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: into that, and also i'll talk to you a little 343 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: bit about how it very much does tie into my 344 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: book Manufacturing Delusion, which, like I said, neck and neck 345 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: with that John Meachen book, right, we got to beat him. Guys, 346 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: help me out get a copy of Manufacturing Delusion. Just 347 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: like having fire alarms, every home should have Saber products. 348 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 1: These are not non lethal protection devices for you and 349 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: your family, Saber. 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Manufacturing Delusion a book about mind 366 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: control that takes into account the most intense mind control 367 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: programs and campaigns certainly in modern history, those of the 368 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Soviet Union and communism MAOIs China, and the Culture Revolution 369 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: North Korea. Cults ranging from on Shinrikio to al Qaeda 370 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: in Iraq, which is in a sense was in a 371 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: sense a terrorist cult, and how they make people come 372 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: to believe or how they bring people to believe insane 373 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: things that they will take action on. That is what 374 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: Manufacturing Delusion is about. And I bring it up one 375 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: because I do need you to go get a copy 376 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: of the book. If you have not yet, please do 377 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: you know where to get If you have a local bookstore, 378 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: call them and see if they have it, because that's great. 379 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: We love to support our local bookstores. Otherwise you know 380 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: how to get it online. The audiobook. I read it 381 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: and it is my voice. It is me reading the 382 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: whole thing. So hopefully you like my voice if you're 383 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: listening to the show, and you will joy listening to 384 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: the audiobook as well. The book is is doing well 385 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: so far. I'm very sanguine about these things. 386 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 4: You know. 387 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: There's probably some you know, some children's book about like 388 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: a non binary polar bear that's going to uh, you know, 389 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: rocket today. Whatever the point is. For a political book, 390 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: it's doing well. And we have to beat Meacham's book 391 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: because he's a smug lib who trashes Trump on MSNBC. 392 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: And there's a chapter in the book though where I 393 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: get into, uh what what I was talking about yesterday 394 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: a bit which is menticide, and menticide is obviously killing 395 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: of the brain. Coined by Juice Merlu, who was a 396 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: psychiatrist and in the Second World War worked at well, 397 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: really debriefed Nazi prisoners of war and came to understand 398 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: very much the Nazi He did. He did counter propaganda 399 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: for the Allies. Merlu was a he was Dutch and 400 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: then as part of that was debriefing Nazis and learned 401 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: about their propaganda efforts. But he came up with menticide, 402 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: mental annihilation, the murder of the mind, and the ways 403 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: that you achieve this, and confusion and degradation again are 404 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: the twin pillars. If you're going to simplify it down, 405 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: confusion and degradation are essential. Now, there are a lot 406 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: of ways to confuse people, a lot of ways to 407 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: degrade people. You can confuse people by putting them in 408 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: extreme isolation and bombarding them with noise, music, sounds, that 409 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: there's all these different things that you can do, or 410 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: you can just be in a society where you are 411 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: constantly bombarded with lies. Fire hose of falsehood it is called. 412 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: It's actually a term taken from a Rand study on this, 413 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: and these are the ways that you can get people 414 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: to believe crazy things. And it's not quite Pavlov's dogs, 415 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: which we start out with. And Pavlov wasn't working on brainwashing. 416 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: He was working on the brain body connection, right, what 417 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: what can your brain process, whether it's sight, sound, what 418 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: did What does your brain process in that way that 419 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: then has actual physiological effect. And this is where we 420 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: get the s salivary reflex of dogs that had come 421 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: to associate a metronome or a buzzer, not a bell, 422 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: with feeding time. And unfortunately, if you're a dog lover, 423 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: you'll find out that Pavlov was quite rough with some 424 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: of the dogs, some of the certain some of the 425 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: animal let's just say that there was no peda. Some 426 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: of this. I won't get into this, but the point 427 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: is this is he was very much interested in the 428 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: digestion of dogs and and this was all to understand 429 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: better how this works in the higher order creatures human beings. 430 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: But it turns out that even though there were some 431 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: lessons from it, it's also really complicated some dogs are 432 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: as anyone knows now, he wasn't training dogs. Pavlov would 433 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: have never said he was training dogs. He was exploring 434 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: this brain body connection. And this is when nobody else 435 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: was doing this, So it was revolutionary work at the 436 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: time he was doing this, of course, before we knew 437 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: what DNA was. He was doing this before the rise 438 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: of widespread antibiotics. I mean, this was early. It was 439 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: really turn of the twentieth century and then the early 440 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties nineteen thirties when he was doing a lot 441 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: of this work. And what you find is that each 442 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: individual animal, again working with dogs here, had its own circuitry, 443 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: and so some of them were much easier to get 444 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: certain training through to or certain reflexes. It was actually 445 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: conditional reflex in the original Russian. It wasn't just you know, 446 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: we think of this as like Pavlov and conditioning and 447 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: conditioned conditioned reflex. It was conditional reflex and that's what 448 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: he was looking at, the reflex of the brain into 449 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: the body and how these things affect each other. So 450 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: that was a revolutionary, as I said, revolutionary scientific discovery 451 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: at the time, but always there was this, well, hold on, 452 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: it works better with some dogs than others because they're 453 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: not machines, just like we're not machines. We actually aren't machines. 454 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: And our circuitry, our underlying biochemistry, our soul, these things 455 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: take us out of the realm of science into something else, right, 456 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: something that can't yet be fully understood by charts and 457 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: tables and data and beakers and Bunsen burners and all 458 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: of this. Now that's worth noting because for each and 459 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: every one of us, there's going to be different approaches 460 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: that we have to be particularly mindful of and different 461 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: things that will work on us. And we are in 462 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: a society now that we are more bombarded with information 463 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: than any other era of the human species. By far, 464 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: it is not even close. And you know that this 465 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: is true. We carry around in our poet. I carry 466 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: more knowledge with my smartphone, or at least access to 467 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: more knowledge than existed in the you know, the great 468 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: Library of Alexandria. I mean, there's there's just it's endless. 469 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: But also because particularly of social media, there's a feeding 470 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: and refeeding into the system, and we have to become 471 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: aware of how this is affecting our circuitry. Again, we 472 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: use the when we talk about ourselves, we use the 473 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: language of electronics and robotics. But of course, as I said, 474 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: there's something different about us too, and even Pavlov noted 475 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: that there's something that you can't just account for with experiments, 476 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: charts and tables. We are all different, we're all unique. 477 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: You might even say, we're all created in God's image, 478 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: and therefore there's something very special and unable to be 479 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: charted on a graph about each and every one of us. 480 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: But this is where I turn to, how is it 481 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: that we became a society with more knowledge, more advanced 482 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: knowledge than anyone else before us, with discoveries and with 483 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: computation and analysis truly unfathomable. Even I don't know, one 484 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: hundred years before even in the time of the year, 485 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: certainly the earlier days of Pavlov's research. And yet we 486 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: are a society that has allowed children to have genital 487 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: mutilation surgery in the furtherance of a mass yesteria, which 488 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: is this transgender stuff, something that is increasingly and this 489 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: is also why you'll note it is getting more desperate 490 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: and more violent as an ideology, and as it more 491 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: clearly fails in every respect, which is often the case. 492 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: People can become most dangerous when they are feel their 493 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: cornered and they have nothing to lose. This ideology, this 494 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: transgenderism that became a true culture, really a sort of 495 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: mind virus that was spreading very rapidly, and it occurred 496 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: in the twenty first century overwhelmingly, and really in the 497 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: last ten to ten to fifteen years is when this 498 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: gained tremendous momentum. We're now seeing the pushback against this, 499 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: a pushback against this mass hysteria. But I think that 500 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: the way that we were able to get there. Oh, 501 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: the news story I should tell you, the breaking news 502 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: on this is that nyu Langone Hospital System has said 503 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: that because of the current regulatory environment, it will discontinue 504 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: its gender medicine program for minors. This is a massive 505 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: step forward. This is enorm This goes to show you 506 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: that just a few years ago there were people who 507 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: were saying it's never going to change, this is here 508 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: to stay. There was a sense even among people I 509 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: think who recognized how wrong this was, there was a 510 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: sense that this could be with us forever because the 511 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: medical associations and big medicine in the hospitals and all 512 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: this were pushing this and believed that somehow this was 513 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: giving people care. And now and now this is something 514 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: that I think is going very clearly in the other direction. 515 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: Here you go. This is and someone in an interview, 516 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: the Manhattan Borough President, Brad Holly Hoyleman's Siegel it's a 517 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: Manhattan Borough president, not a doctor, said it was his 518 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: understanding m Yu Langoing would no longer provide hormone treatment 519 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: and other gender related care to transgender youth. Mister Houleman 520 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Siegel said he was worried that some of m Yu 521 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: Langoan's transgender patients would struggle to find doctors willing to 522 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: continue their care. I'm horrified at the consequences. It's crucial 523 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: they find alternative care. They deserve care, They should get care, 524 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: psychiatric care. You are not a woman because you think 525 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: you're a woman. That is not reality. That is not real. 526 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: You can never become a woman. There is no surgery 527 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: that can effectuate that it is not reality, and that 528 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: medicine entered the right and that you know I'm right, 529 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: You know as I say those words, what I am 530 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: saying is true, and the other side cannot defeat that truth. 531 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: Everything they say is an obfuscation or an evasion or 532 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: an emotional manipulation, but the fundamental truth that you cannot 533 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: be some other gender. You cannot be the other because 534 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: you deem it or wish it, or insist on it 535 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: being So that reality is emerging right now in a 536 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: way that I think is I hope going to continue 537 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: with a momentum to stop this because at this point 538 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: it's just you're saving young people from ruining their lives. 539 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, every day that these systems are shut down 540 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: or every day that they this is horrible, the stuff 541 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: that they are doing. And to do this kind of 542 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: thing under the guise of medicine, it's such a betrayal 543 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: of the hippocratic oath, such a betrayal of medical ethics. 544 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: It's very obvious. And this is why when you start 545 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: to ask people, say, how do you fight against the 546 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: manufacturing of delusions? When you ask honest questions, you should 547 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: get answers or honest answers from people who are trying 548 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: to push a certain point of view or push a policy. 549 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: If all they want to do is shout you down 550 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: and bully you, there's a problem. You know, you've established 551 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: something with that. And for as long as there has 552 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: been this transgender really psychological contagion, this phenomenon, as long 553 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: as this has been ascendant in this country, it has 554 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: been clear that if you ask questions about this, the 555 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: people who push it don't want to answer your question, 556 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: and they want you to shut up or else, and 557 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: they will hurt you. They will hurt your career. As 558 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: we've seen, they'll do more than just hurt your career. 559 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: There is something obviously of the radical in these individuals. 560 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: There is a sense that this is not something they're 561 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: willing to discuss. Really, what other area of medicine are 562 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: they are we not able to have a conversation about, Hey, 563 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: what are the long term prospects for this? What are 564 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: the failure rates, What are the complications? I can ask 565 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: any doctor in America that about a knee surgery, and 566 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: they're you know, if they're a decent doctor, they'll sit 567 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: down and they'll talk to me. But if I want 568 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: to get you know, you know how many times I've 569 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: tried to get a transgender doctor in the past to 570 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: come on a show and explain the procedure and what's possible, 571 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: it's not. They won't do it. They won't do it. 572 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: Why not, Oh, because you know you're mean and you're 573 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: right wing. No, I actually, I actually really want to know. 574 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: I want people to know the reality of this that 575 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: Nyu Lang Gone is. And I just let these demo 576 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: cras tours saying, oh, where they going to get care? 577 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: You mean, where are teenage girls going to find a 578 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: doctor that's willing to surgically remove their breasts because they're 579 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: going through a psychiatric disorder. Hopefully nowhere because it's not 580 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: going to turn out well for them. And if it 581 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: was going to turn out well for them, by the way, 582 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: don't you think we would all have the long term 583 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: data and the studies. They just say that we don't 584 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: have these things, We don't have these studies, they do, 585 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: some observational study they run. It's just like with COVID. 586 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: They just try to smother you with credentialed nonsense and 587 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: hope that you shut up and stop asking the obvious questions. 588 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: They want you to be a part of the manufactured delusion. 589 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: Get the book. This is now, This is current, This 590 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: really matters. Power outages are happening with greater frequency across 591 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: our country, and weather disruptions are one reason why. Wild 592 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: fire preparation is another. 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Find them on the free 612 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back 613 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: in here to Clay and Boch, Chip Royd coming up 614 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: here in a few minutes, Concis and Trip Royal of 615 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: Texas talking about the Save Act, talking about the government, 616 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: partial government shutdown, and bring interested on all the politics. 617 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: That's what we do here, that's how we roll. Mister 618 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: Clay will be back with you tomorrow. Both of us 619 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: will be back with you tomorrow. So it'll be a 620 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: regular schedule program with both of us. And uh yeah, 621 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: Vicky and Michigan, you want chat, Let's go Vicky and Michigan. Hello, Yes, 622 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: you're on the air. We're all listening. Hey Vicky, how 623 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: you doing. 624 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: Hi? 625 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. I just wanted to say 626 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 6: thank you First, I'm a big fan. I listened to 627 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 6: Rush as well, and I know that it's not a 628 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 6: popular view sometimes what you and Clay are saying. So 629 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 6: I just wanted to thank you for standing up against 630 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 6: the transgender craze, the surgeries. I have two close friends 631 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 6: whose kids both had surgeries and it just it affected 632 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 6: them so much. They're just it breaks up a family. 633 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 6: So yeah, I just wanted to thank you and I 634 00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 6: and get your book. 635 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh well, please get depleted. Probably please get that book. Sorry, 636 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: I said, please get that book. No, probably go get it. 637 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: I thank you, Buck, thanks so much. All right, thanks 638 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: for calling in. So uh. We've also got podcast listener 639 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Mark from Tennessee f on the talkback hit It. 640 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 4: I finished your book already. It's fantastic. It reinforces some 641 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 4: of the things I've thought about. The changes in the 642 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 4: definition of words have occurred a lot in my seventy years. Example, vaccine, 643 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: what you say is so so true. Thank you, Shields High. 644 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: Jill Zigh Mark, thank you. And yeah, I get that's 645 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: part of the propaganda portion of the book, which I 646 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: haven't talked about as much, But that's another part of 647 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: manipulating your perception and controlling your mind propaganda. All the 648 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: military guys listening are like, yeah, you know, information operations, 649 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: We know all about this, right op sec? Syops. I'm sorry, syops. 650 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: Not of psyops and psychological operations and controlling language is 651 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: a big part of this. Even Orwell noted this. In fact, 652 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: news speak was a term that Orwell popularized. Oh you're 653 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: like buck, what Get the book, everybody. This is a 654 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: book that's meant to be read. It is short, it 655 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: is readable, it is punchy, It is packed with information. 656 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: You will learn cool stuff from the book. You will 657 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: be glad you read it. I promise you I would 658 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: not put some nonsense out there. You will learn lots 659 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: of historical fact. You will learn the tactics of mind control. 660 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: And you will rip through this book in a weekend. 661 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: Get manufacturing delusion wherever you get your books back in 662 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: a moment.