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Speaker 1: for being with us every single night at six o'clock

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Speaker 1: here for Texans All Access. And in a matter of

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Speaker 1: How about that. But summer in full swing. A lot

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Speaker 1: of you taking time off, so we hope you're enjoying that,

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Speaker 1: no matter what, not only here but on Houston Texans

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Speaker 1: dot com, on the Texans app. You have podcasts up.

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Speaker 1: We've got some good ones too, my gosh, I mean

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Speaker 1: you gotta check out all the Vandermeyer's views. I've got

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Speaker 1: one with Joe's a ghaky up right now. And Joe

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Speaker 1: and I did Miami Hurricanes games when they won the

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Speaker 1: national championship. And I also had one with Sage Rosenfell's

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Speaker 1: John Harrison, Drew Doherty of in the Lab dep City

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Speaker 1: I can't remember all the other ones, but go check

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Speaker 1: those out. Want to set up the rest of the week,

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Speaker 1: mini camp and training camp, and I'll do top ten

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Speaker 1: chat and fireside not hard to find because it's basically

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Speaker 1: wherever you are in Houston outside these days. Now, we'll

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Speaker 1: do a chat on the Texans top plays in history.

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Speaker 1: According to me, the entire committee of me has voted

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Speaker 1: program tomorrow. As I go over the top ten plays,

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Speaker 1: I have not finalized what the ten are yet. Of

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Speaker 1: to upset some people that they're not in there. Other

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Speaker 1: It's all about what I think. And it'll be tomorrow

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Speaker 1: night at six o'clock and don't forget over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: You should be doing this every weekend. Set the DVR

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Speaker 1: for it if you can't catch it when it airs.

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Speaker 1: But eleven o'clock Saturday night, CBC thirteen Texans three sixty

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Speaker 1: and it's a whole lot of fun, all right. Without

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Speaker 1: further ado, he's made his way over Houston Chronicles. John

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Speaker 1: McClain general, how's it going tonight? Couldn't be better? Mark,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for asking here. We are four

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Speaker 1: weeks away, my friend, four weeks from training cap The

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Speaker 1: And I'm pumped to see healthy players again instead of

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Speaker 1: this thing. Now, I don't want to put the cart

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Speaker 1: I wrote about this on Texas Sports Nation yesterday and

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Speaker 1: But the key is, of course, he got to win.

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Speaker 1: And I think this team's gonna bounce back big because

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Speaker 1: I look at last season as a aberration because of

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Speaker 1: and then the main reason is Deshaun Watson. I think

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Speaker 1: So I think at twenty to one by Bivada that

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Speaker 1: Is it easy to get around? You know, it's got

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Speaker 1: It's a great setup. And what I like, you can

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Speaker 1: But that's why I thought the media, the media, the fans.

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Speaker 1: and today too well. Ted Johnson. I didn't hear the

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Speaker 1: triple threat today, but yesterday he was talking about being

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Speaker 1: coached to put a hat on it. You know, you

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Speaker 1: you go with the head first. And then he was

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Speaker 1: talking about a certain technique. Get the lot of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: for live back. Now Ted made it is he would

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Speaker 1: crash his helmet underneath the guard's chin. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: the way he got there. And now that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, he's leading with the head. Now he

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Speaker 1: might be causing a concussion. Think about suffering a concussion.

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Speaker 1: Yea suffering one. Think about the older days when guys

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Speaker 1: it was harder to get yourself pulled out of a

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Speaker 1: game due to concussion symptoms. I mean, now to get

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Speaker 1: back in. Well, Romanoski joked with me Bill Romanoski at

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl when I interviewed him. He said, he said, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they would ask me all these questions and I'd say,

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Speaker 1: why are you asking me these questions? Let me get

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Speaker 1: back into the game, and he would just be emphatic

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Speaker 1: about it. They'd put him back in. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: very clear on that today. It's just it's a different

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Speaker 1: era at different time. All right, Well, we'll see how

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Speaker 1: that helmet rule goes down. John, I want to get

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Speaker 1: into this a little bit, and this might stretch into

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Speaker 1: the next segment. We talk a lot about the AFC South.

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Speaker 1: We're talking off a lot about the AFC South, and

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Speaker 1: for good reason, that's the division that's home. It could

452
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Speaker 1: be one of the best divisions, if not the best

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Speaker 1: division in football. But what about some of the other

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Speaker 1: divisions out there, and especially at the AFC when you

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Speaker 1: look at playing the AFC East Right now, we know

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Speaker 1: it's the Patriots and everybody else the three Dwarfs. Give

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Speaker 1: me the second place team in the AFC East. Let's see,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo is gonna have a rookie quarterback, Miami will have

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Speaker 1: Danny Hill back, Jet's gonna have Sam Darnolds. So I

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Speaker 1: would say because Miami has a veteran quarterback, Miami would

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Speaker 1: finish second as it did two years. Well, that's a

462
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Speaker 1: big step back for the Bills though, if they don't

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Speaker 1: make the postseason be playing a rookie quarterback. Does anybody

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Speaker 1: really think a j McCarron who's gonna keep that job

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Speaker 1: over Johns for very long? Remember we talked about this before.

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Speaker 1: The Texans gonna get all these rookie quarterbacks except Josh

467
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Speaker 1: Rosen because they don't play Arizona And a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are picking at Chargers. If if picking the Chargers

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Speaker 1: to do, what win that? But they don't have a

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Speaker 1: home at field advantage. They don't have that three point

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Speaker 1: advantage in every game. There's no way I'm picking them

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Speaker 1: with no home field advantage. It's demoralizing to them when

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like you have this one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand seat stadium where okay, you can jam in forty

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Speaker 1: thousand visiting fans. They have sub thirty thousand in the building,

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Speaker 1: and many of them, if not most, are opposing team

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Speaker 1: fans to have been. I've read a story about that,

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Speaker 1: talking to them about what it's like to play their

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Speaker 1: home games and the stadium that has more people from

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Speaker 1: the visiting team, and especially if they're from the East,

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Speaker 1: because so many people in the California area are from

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Speaker 1: the East and that's their best chance to go see

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Speaker 1: their team. And you know, I want to see the

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Speaker 1: Raiders do it. Before I would pick them to do it,

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Speaker 1: I would I'm Denver. What about the Kingdom or Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes in Kansas City. That's gonna be not a great

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Speaker 1: division with great teams, but it's gonna be very very competitive, entertaining, entertaining. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think I'm gonna pick Denver just

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Speaker 1: because I like case Hey the first Yeah, well he's

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Speaker 1: he's on the staff. I'll put that in air quotes.

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Speaker 1: He has a serious job as a big shot in

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Speaker 1: the personnel department, right, So he's on the staff, the

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Speaker 1: administrative staff, if you will, football ops. But he's hovering.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how that works out for Vance Joseph

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Speaker 1: best of like the ham except when the Texas play them.

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Speaker 1: So Kansas City, that's the preseason opener for the Texans.

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Speaker 1: First quarter of that game could be Deshaun Watson versus

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. That's your pitching matchup for an inning. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how that lasts. But I think the Chiefs they've

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Speaker 1: lost some bodies for sure, but they still a lot

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Speaker 1: of talent. And Mahomes comes in and he's being compared

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Speaker 1: to a lot of great arms. And I know he

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00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: hasn't seen much action, just like one game, but we'll

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Speaker 1: see how that goes. I mean, he could be really intriguing.

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Speaker 1: They had more speed on offense, same team in the league,

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Speaker 1: and his blinding speed and I think they'll throw the

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Speaker 1: ball deep a lot if their offensive line can give

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Speaker 1: him a chance to throw. I don't see their defense

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Speaker 1: being in evan an intimidating pass rush like it used to.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see any any team coming out there

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Speaker 1: that's a Super Bowl threat or threat for the ANFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game. Chiefs have been terrible at home in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs under Andy Reid, and in fact, they were terrible

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs under who was before Andy Well Dot Hailey. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they've had herm Edwards and they had Dick Vermeil,

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Speaker 1: and they went forever without winning a playoff game, playoff

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Speaker 1: games at home, and they showed that last year losing

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Speaker 1: to the Titans at home. So I'm certainly not picking them.

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Speaker 1: I may picking them to I'm not whoever I picked

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Speaker 1: to win at division. I'm not picking them with the

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Speaker 1: wild card. I think the wild card is gonna come

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Speaker 1: out of the AFC's out. So you maybe two maybe

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Speaker 1: two and last year, I mean last week we talked

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Speaker 1: about it that in two thousand and seven, the AFC

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Speaker 1: South got three teams into the postseason, all but the Texans,

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Speaker 1: who were eight and eighth that year. So you had

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Speaker 1: the Titans and the Jags that year. That was the

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Speaker 1: year the Jacks win eleven and five and beat Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. Tennessee made it with Vince Young ten and

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Speaker 1: six possibility you could get that again. Two wild cards

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Speaker 1: out of the act of all. Who you got to

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Speaker 1: pick in AFC East as a wild card there nobody?

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Speaker 1: What about in the North Pittsburgh, you gonna pick Cincinnati Baltimore?

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Speaker 1: I don't think Baltimore, and I don't either. I think

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Speaker 1: another guy's gonna be playing a rookie quarterback at some point,

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Speaker 1: and most rookie quarterbacks don't take teams to the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna pick Cleveland. But what if what if

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00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Baltimore is kind of trudging along and they're still alive

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Speaker 1: in November mid November, and Flacco's okay, they just put

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Speaker 1: it there. They're not gonna switch. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be very good period. Okay, they heard me

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00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: around five hundred, and there's gonna be so much pressure

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00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: on them to put him in. Maybe they use him

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Speaker 1: in some packages and he's very exciting as a runner,

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Speaker 1: and then everybody's clamoring seam at quarterback. So that means, okay,

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Speaker 1: your next chance for wild card is Denver, Kansas City, Oakland. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pick one of those. Somebody flashes here. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Cincinnati's up for a comeback right now. And

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I heard Seth this morning talking about windows.

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Speaker 1: He said, I hate windows, but windows do exist. And

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00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals had a window. With Andy Dalton, young Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton and Geno Atkins and all those talented guys they had,

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Speaker 1: they were pretty good team, made the playoffs, what four

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Speaker 1: or five years in a row, unable to win a

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Speaker 1: playoff game. But that window is closing. That's it's shifting

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Speaker 1: right now. And if you don't restock the cover during

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Speaker 1: a shift in windows, because windows in the NFL are

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00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: about four years, really, it's well, yeah, it's good point.

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Speaker 1: But the quarterback helps you transition window to window to

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Speaker 1: window like the Patriots do, like Drew Brees does with

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh You see how different the roster, the majority

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Speaker 1: of the roster is so different for Pittsburgh that it

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Speaker 1: was four or five years ago. It looks the same

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Speaker 1: from the exterior when you're not following the team closely,

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Speaker 1: because you see Roethlisberger right there, but when you look

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Speaker 1: at the bulk of the roster, my gosh, it's a

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Speaker 1: complete flip. And you were talking about MVPs. People probably

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Speaker 1: forget that once upon a time for the Seahawk Sean

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Speaker 1: Alexander with an MVP as a running back, and that

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Speaker 1: was Matt Hasselbeck plaining quarterback. Completely different situation. Windows change

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Speaker 1: some teams, some franchises are really good at transitioning through them.

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Speaker 1: I think that if you have good organization and you're

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Speaker 1: built to last, you don't just the windows not widening.

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Speaker 1: It shuts, you know, goes down a little bit, starts

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Speaker 1: to close, then you open it back up with good

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Speaker 1: roster decisions and good coaching and strategy. John McLean is

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Speaker 1: with us. We'll get to that Andrew lux story and

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Speaker 1: some other things as well as Texans Radio. Texans All

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Speaker 1: Access continues. It's Texans All Access here from the Hunday

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio. Mark Vandermyer and John McLean from the

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Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle with you and a few things to clean up.

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Speaker 1: First of all, how about DeAndre Hopkas this week general

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Speaker 1: out there and about with the kiddies doing some workout stuff,

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Speaker 1: and you can read about that on Houston Texans dot com.

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00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure you wrote about it as well. Aaron Wilson

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Speaker 1: wrote about it. That's also oncron dot com. And I

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Speaker 1: thought It was a very cool thing for him to do.

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Speaker 1: He said, social media's next best thing to television because

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Speaker 1: you can get something out. He took a heck of

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Speaker 1: a chance when you tweet that out. What would he

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Speaker 1: have done if thousands had showed up. It's probably smart

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Speaker 1: to do it the night before and he said it

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Speaker 1: was about fifty and uh, I thought, and it's uh.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre running the hill reminded me how NFL players, led

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Speaker 1: by Earl Campbell here used to go to the bayous

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Speaker 1: and run, and players from other teams would run those

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Speaker 1: bayous and they would need to be mowed. And after

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Speaker 1: these players are running up and down them, they might

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Speaker 1: as well have been mowed. You had a high school,

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Speaker 1: you had college. Dale Robertson did a big story about

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Speaker 1: Earl Campbell running a bayou over and a league by

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Speaker 1: this Tom Williams barbecue, and everybody started coming out. So

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Speaker 1: they're running the bayou as if it's stadium steps or

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Speaker 1: something up and down. Like it's harder than stadium steps

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00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: because the footing is not good and that its cement

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Speaker 1: on the bottom like some of those big dirt and

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Speaker 1: uh and weeds and mosquitoes, and I, you know, I

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Speaker 1: remember Walter Payton's the first one I heard about running

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Speaker 1: running up and down hills. He and Robert Brazil were

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Speaker 1: best friends in college and they used to just they

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00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: were so eating up with being in great shape that

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Speaker 1: Robert said, Walter would say, hey, let's go run and

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Speaker 1: be midnight. Where are we gonna run? They just go

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Speaker 1: out and start running for miles, to turn around and

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Speaker 1: come back, just to do something extra. And that's what

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Speaker 1: so many workout places now have. Heels. Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: astral turf on them, and it's different and be a

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00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: whole lot better than what they've got. What they used

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Speaker 1: to run those Bayous in June before they went to camp.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have it anymore. But at the

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Speaker 1: Houston Bathotist Training Center back in the early days, they

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Speaker 1: had this fake hill. It was just this stand and

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Speaker 1: you could run up. I guess it was like two

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Speaker 1: stories high. They also, I think had sand pits back there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have that anymore. Pleck says that

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Speaker 1: as well, Daddy Arnold, and I think today that's why

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Speaker 1: you have stairmasters. Yeah, probably have all this electronic gear.

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Speaker 1: It's all good though, whatever, safe, all right, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. I saw hilarious tweet by that fake ESPAN

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Speaker 1: account talking about how Luck has this noodle arm because

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Speaker 1: he was throwing to kids and he's just loving them

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Speaker 1: the ball. But there was a report that he said

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Speaker 1: he was going to He was on a radio station

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis saying that he was going to work out

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Speaker 1: with his receivers. I don't know what that means. I

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Speaker 1: presume that means throwing them a football, But until we

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Speaker 1: see it consistently in training camp, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna believe it or not. He's going back to

639
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: California where he was working with Tom House and his

640
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: people and work out. There's more, and we will all

641
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: be skeptical until we see Andrew not just on the

642
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: field making throws but getting hits. You know, the Colts

643
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: want to see him at some point, he's gonna get

644
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: hit following his shoulder. That's what they want to see

645
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: the most. And it's a gradual process, you know. I

646
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll see him in a preseas in game.

647
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: They say everything's geared toward the regular season opener. But

648
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: I hope Andrew comes back. I hope that the cults

649
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: are good, because I think the other teams in the

650
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: division will be good and it'll kind of be like

651
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: the old AFC Central when all the teams were good

652
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: going after all, shooting from far back. You have to

653
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: go for that in the AFC Central, Brian Sipe, Nope,

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00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: that does until the Texans came in in two thousand

655
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: and two. And uh in the seventies eighties. Uh back

656
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: when the Brown's going the championship game three lays a

657
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: row against Denver, had Bernie Kosar playing quarterback for Denver.

658
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: So much fun, It was so much nastiness among the

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: head coaches. They just think about this. You had Chuck Nall,

660
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, Sam Wise, and Jerry Glanville. Yeah, that's pretty strong.

661
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: Those were four coaches, and even Noel got involved in

662
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: controversy when it came to Glanville and the Oilers. And

663
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: in this division, you know, there's respect between O'Brien and

664
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: Doug Morone, who are best friends, and there's a respect

665
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: with Rabel and Brian, who are really good friends. And

666
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: did you trump up any test of Verdi reference the

667
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: other day that he got better as he got older,

668
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Yes he did. Yeah, he was quarterback in the Browns

669
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: against the Patriots in the playoffs. When Belichick was with Cleveland, right,

670
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: he was real good with the Jets when Parcels came

671
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: in and turned them around. And and and who's the

672
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: RAFC South coach, FC Central or Schottenheimer? Well, I'm talking

673
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: about now the FC South. I forgot all my teams

674
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and Frank rig has been around a long time

675
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: as his assistant coach. But you know, I don't know

676
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: how well considering was the NFC the last, but he's

677
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: the Chargers before that. But the other three coaches O'Brien

678
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: knows him very well. I also wonder if you know

679
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: a coach, how well you know him really well? Does

680
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: that help him strategy, game plans? And even though the

681
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: coaches aren't coaching, like, does that help at all if

682
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: you were really familiar with the coach. Didn't help Bill

683
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: O'Brien last year, It didn't help Maron the year before,

684
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: because usually you gotta have a healthy quarterback. That's true,

685
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: but I think you know some tendencies and in this offense,

686
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be a game play offense, so so

687
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have this unpredictability It's funny when I

688
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: watched the Patriots play offense. After being around Bill O'Brien

689
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: for four years, I can see that offense with the Patriots.

690
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: I understand what they're doing. You have Tom Brady at

691
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: the control, so it's phenomenal. Now last year, I'm gonna

692
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: remove that six and a half games with Watson because

693
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: that was otherworldly what he put together with Deshaun, and

694
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: I think we're all looking forward to seeing that collaborative

695
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: effort again. How about Bill O'Brien being the dean of

696
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: AFC South coaches, I'm gonna call him that the Dean. Yeah,

697
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna love that, and I love okay the Dean.

698
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Uh jamis Winston Sean out three games the suspension occurs.

699
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: This is your quarterback, Tampa Bay. This is rough and

700
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: I want to over his numbers and his caliber of play.

701
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: The other day, we were doing a little bit of

702
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: an analysis in audio fashion John Harris and I he's

703
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: a player who really has not reached his potential. He's

704
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: got so much of it. He's played well, but there's

705
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling for him. He's got to fight a

706
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: way to reach it. On and off the field. You

707
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: guess gotta stay out of trouble. Now, this happened in

708
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: two thou sixteen, so maybe there have been no other

709
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: incidents since then, And if that's true, in the league investigated,

710
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: my first thought is, you're going through a drive through

711
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: window in an uber. Why would you want to grab

712
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: somebody's crutch? And I can see grabbing for the burgers

713
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: or French fries or barbecue, whatever it was, but it

714
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: just makes no sense, and it's another in a line

715
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: of incidents. Now a columnist in Tampas saying they got

716
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: to cut him, Well, you know they're not going to

717
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: cut him the keys. He's gonna have to make a

718
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: real commitment on and off the field. And I don't

719
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: see them signing him to an extension anytime soon. I

720
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: could see them letting him play it out and enfranchising him.

721
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: But he and maybe he's been a model citizen since

722
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: that incident and then next season be another year, but

723
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: you know they're not going to let him go. Teams

724
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: would be all over him no matter what he's done,

725
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: because he's too talented, and Marcus Mariota started off ahead

726
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: of him, but last year Mariota had more interceptions and

727
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: touchdowns but instead of winning four games, they went to

728
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: the play second round of the playoffs where they lost

729
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: in Foxborough. So right now, I think no question Mariota

730
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: is going to sign an extension before Winston. If you'd

731
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: ask me is before all this came out, I would say, well,

732
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: Winston's gonna sign that extension first because he was the

733
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: first overall pick and Mariota was second. What's the level

734
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: of uneasiness in Nashville on Mariota because you did have

735
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: more interceptions last year, he had fewer touchdown passes. He

736
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: had the saying virtually amount of past attempts as the

737
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: year before. How are they feeling about their franchise quarterback

738
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: going into year four for him? I asked this question

739
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: on their flagship that I do weekly radio shows with,

740
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: and I said, he heard his hamstring here running for

741
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: a touchdown and then he missed three games. And you know,

742
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: you can't get one hundred percent recovered from a hamstring

743
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: during the season. It doesn't just tappen automatically. And at

744
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: the end of the previous season he had had surgery

745
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: on his foot or ankle, and so it seems to

746
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: me if he's making throws that are high or off

747
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: target he hadn't made before. Somehow that affected his mechanics.

748
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: And this is the thing they can see on film.

749
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: If you look last year, Matt Lafleur and Sean McVeigh

750
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: go to La to coach the Rams and match the coordinator.

751
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: He spends most of the time of the quarterback, even

752
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: though McVeigh caused the plays, and Jared Goff makes in

753
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: tremendous improvement. So ken Marcus Mariota, if he's one hundred percent,

754
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: make a similar improvement under Matt Lafleur. But what Mariota

755
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: has to do is Winston has proving stay had trouble.

756
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Mariota has proving stay healthy because he's been hurt a

757
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: different amount of time in each of his first three seasons,

758
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: and a hamstring injury just kind of irks you. Because

759
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: the running had here that he got hurt on was sensational.

760
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, that was still a game when he ran

761
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: that one in the Texans were pulling away, but hey,

762
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: the Titans are still here. But then he had to

763
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: leave the game for a while and then never returned, right,

764
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: he never got back. I can't remember if he came

765
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: back or if his Matt cass I remember. I remember

766
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: by the time he would he didn't come back. By

767
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: the time he would have come back, it was already

768
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: thirty five to fourteen or whatever it was. I mean,

769
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: they were already just running away with it in the

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00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: second half. By the next time the Titans were able

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00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: to touch the football, Texans were so dominant in that game.

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00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: You know, you have Matt la Fleur, who was here

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00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: under Gary Kubiak, and Matt wants to be a head

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00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: coach and um and he's with the Falcons during their

775
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. Sean McVay let him go because they

776
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: were not playing the NFC South, and so he's coming in.

777
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: He's calm plays for the first time. But he's learned

778
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: under mcmi and Shannon Yeah, I mean, he's learn from

779
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: some good guys, no doubt. So he goes in and

780
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: think of Rabel. You think the offensive tackle offensive line

781
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: issues here, they don't have those issues up there. They're

782
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: more worried about their receivers, not tight end Delaney Walker

783
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: and can Derrick Henry carry the load full time with

784
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis as the change of pace back. But their

785
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: offense should be really good. You know, they're still they'll

786
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: ask me, well, what about Watson. I get called sometime

787
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: what do the Texans do with Watson? I said, go

788
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: back and google the Titans and Texans last year. Yeah,

789
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: and that's all I'd say, because what they put fifty

790
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: seven on them, and so I think Tennessee strength his offense.

791
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: They've made a lot of improvements in the defense, but

792
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: you don't know how gonna come out under first year

793
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: coordinator Deanp's Jacksonville's defense would still be great, led by

794
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: their two corners, and the running game in Jacksonville should

795
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: be great. All the coaches in this division gonna do

796
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: everything they can to run the ball first. That's just

797
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: their philosophy. At one point in that game, when I

798
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: said they're up forty, that kind of stood out to

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00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: me that the Texans were up forty or more in

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00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: a football game. They won that game by forty three points. Unbelievable, John,

801
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: What do you have going out of the chronicle. We

802
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: have Aaron Wilson has a thing out there about DeAndre Hopkins.

803
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: I have a thing up about Watson and the MVP race.

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00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: Now you can make it a hat trick for Houston

805
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a bunch more stuff this weekend,

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00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: and I understand that next week we will not be

807
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: doing this, but we'll be back in two weeks we will. John,

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00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Thank you very much. Mark,

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00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: that's the general. John McLean read a stuff on kron

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Speaker 1: dot com. He's the Chronicle dot com. And we want

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