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Speaker 2: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Krystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting stories to get into

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Speaker 1: this morning. So first and foremost, the UAW those autoworkers

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Speaker 1: are on strike. We'll give you all of the details.

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Speaker 1: We also have reporters on the ground talking to workers

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Speaker 1: also have student loan to have repayments beginning very soon

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Speaker 1: and that could have a huge impact on the economy.

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Speaker 1: There's some new numbers that we want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about. With that Trump getting questioned on abortion and

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Speaker 1: so that was kind of surprising. Ken Paxton, who is

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Speaker 1: A lot of behind the scenes Trump related machinations there.

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Speaker 1: Soccer was all on the ground in Texas, getting.

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Speaker 1: So we've got all of that for you and Lauren

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have footage, we've got all the reactions, various stories, etc.

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Speaker 2: So that will be I get a UFO question in

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Speaker 2: from the workers themselves. We always like to hear from

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Speaker 2: we even get to the UAW, we just had to

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Speaker 2: add this. In a hilarious development here on the Eastern Seaboard,

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Speaker 2: the United States military has lost the F thirty five

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Speaker 2: And the military is now asking for the public's help

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Speaker 2: From JOINT based Charleston, we are currently working with Beaufort

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Speaker 3: Oh, this thing you do anything.

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Speaker 2: You can fly upside down, it can go up straight,

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Speaker 3: It don't even work whenever.

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Speaker 1: It's like this is like the least the smallest example

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Speaker 1: So anyway, guys, you saw the number there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. Please call the number if you.

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Speaker 1: Happen to try to do a public services a massive five.

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Speaker 1: To this autoworker's strike, which we previewed last week for

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Speaker 1: of a different strategy here in terms of their approach

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Speaker 1: to the strike. Number one, they're targeting all three of

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Speaker 1: And number two, the tactic that they are employing here.

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Speaker 1: They have eight hundred and fifty million dollars in that

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Speaker 1: National President Sean Fain, announcing the strike and the strike.

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Speaker 4: Locations tonight, we call on three units to stand up

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Speaker 4: These three units are being called to stand up and

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Speaker 4: Though the contract is expired, most of your contract is

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Speaker 4: still in effect. Management cannot change terms and conditions of

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Speaker 4: This strategy will keep the companies guessing. It will give

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Speaker 1: So that's the positive part I laid out of their approach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting the strike strategy that's been happening.

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Speaker 2: It's like you explained it to me in order to

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Speaker 2: see it the smart strategy, to be honest, because if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's right. So we've gotten a little reaction

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Speaker 5: Quickly put in some perspective the offer that they have

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Speaker 5: How much damage would that do to the bottom line if.

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Speaker 3: You were to say, sure, we'll give you forty percent.

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Speaker 5: fifteen billion dollars in gone bankrupt by now the average

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Speaker 1: Did you ever consider perhaps teachers and firefighters should make more?

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Speaker 1: Number two, it's total bullshit. So just a couple things

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Speaker 3: Bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Number Two, of the entire cost of a car, because

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Speaker 1: Five percent? Yes, five percent. So don't fall for this.

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Speaker 1: This is all total nonsense. Of course, the NBC does

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Speaker 3: Well, I dug actually a lot into it.

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Speaker 2: So right now, just for everybody to know, the average

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Speaker 1: Percent raise, And there's a very specific reason why, because

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Speaker 1: it is not good enough. You have done phenomenally well

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Speaker 6: What for you is the main reason you wanted to

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Speaker 7: Pretty much the wages. I currently work two jobs, so

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Speaker 7: I want to kind of like, you know, not do

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Speaker 7: More so, I work like a Thursday through Sunday thing,

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Speaker 2: And it's not enough.

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Speaker 1: It's not for what we do.

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Speaker 8: It's not enough. It weighs on your body after a

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Speaker 6: Fifteen dollars an hour. In this economy gas groceries, you

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Speaker 9: Stretched is not the word, you know. We need better wages.

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Speaker 9: We need at least a ten dollar raise for all

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Speaker 9: don't think it's fair, and I think it's about time

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Speaker 9: that we fight for our rights. I'm in a building

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Speaker 9: I'm just well underpaid. But we're in a crisis right

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Speaker 6: Do you feel you're getting enough from the President of support.

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Speaker 6: Do you feel you're getting enough from other politicians, because

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Speaker 6: it's one thing to show up when the strike happens,

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Speaker 10: Well, the UAW traditionally supports the Democratic Party, and last night,

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Speaker 10: I was pretty proud of mister Biden, President Biden for

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Speaker 1: So we're going to play some of President Biden's comments

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Speaker 3: This is part of what.

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Speaker 1: Built the American middle class. So for these workers now

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Speaker 1: How do you think I'm going to make it on that?

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Speaker 1: they're on board for the long haul. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just want to underscore, you know, when

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Speaker 2: the forty percent race that the union here is asking for,

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Speaker 2: it would put top compensation at ninety three thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: per year. Once again, that's not total comp but I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think people should be talking in stark terms, like

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Speaker 2: is ninety three thousand dollars for a senior worker at

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Speaker 2: a plant?

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Speaker 3: Is that a lot of money?

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Speaker 2: Especially in the age of much more specialized like mechanical

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Speaker 2: information with the electric vehicles that they've all talked about,

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Speaker 2: it actually requires less labor in some cases, and so,

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Speaker 2: but it requires more of a skilled workforce.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, there are college graduates.

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Speaker 2: Did we did that whole thing about the Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal that average Princeton grad is making like one hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty or something like that, And that's a twenty

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Speaker 2: two year old. Of course, his educational difference and all that,

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Speaker 2: but just put it in societal perspective, well, in not

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Speaker 2: ninety three thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: That's a really important point because part of the reaction

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Speaker 1: we saw to the teams to securing a decent deal

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Speaker 1: for ups drivers, all of this class contempt and class

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Speaker 1: anxiety came out because we have been so conditioned to

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Speaker 1: think that the only people who deserve, like a good

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Speaker 1: salary and to be able to have some sort of

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Speaker 1: stability in their lives are people with college degrees who

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Speaker 1: are working at an office, and that is a poisonous

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Speaker 1: way to think about things. These people work so hard

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Speaker 1: that gentleman who said he's having to work fifteen dollars

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Speaker 1: it works for the auto industry, supposedly the backbone of

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Speaker 1: the American middle class, and he has to work two

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Speaker 1: jobs just to make it work in sixteen seventeen hours

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Speaker 1: a day. That's unconscionable. That's a failure and everyone should

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Speaker 1: be invested in this fight. And by the way, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit in my monologue about

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Speaker 1: some other strike action that's going on. Drew Berry Moore

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Speaker 1: of the writers, short or whatever. There's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on there. But I looked at some of the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Seventy five percent of the public is on the side

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Speaker 1: of the workers here. That in and of itself is

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Speaker 1: different because people have just seen the abuse of the

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Speaker 1: working class. They've had it. They saw what happened during COVID,

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Speaker 1: you know, people having their lives risk, people being you know,

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Speaker 1: completely screwed during COVID, and you know, they bought the

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Speaker 1: idea of Okay, we can see who is actually essential

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Speaker 1: to this economy. We can see who actually makes these

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Speaker 1: things work, and they deserve a much better deal. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to some of the political response here. I have

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Speaker 1: to say Joe Biden went a lot farther than I

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Speaker 1: thought he would based on his past rhetoric around unions,

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Speaker 1: which has always been very careful and very I I

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Speaker 1: don't want to weigh in very both sides based on

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Speaker 1: you know, where the Democratic Party has been for years

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Speaker 1: under Obama, under Clinton certainly where if anything, they were

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Speaker 1: siding with the boss class. Not only did he really

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Speaker 1: clearly take the side of the workers here, but he

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Speaker 1: also adopted some of the unions own framing and messaging

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Speaker 1: around record contracts, record profits mean record contracts. Let's take

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Speaker 1: to listen to a little bit of what you had

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Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 11: I respect workers right to use their options under the

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Speaker 11: collective bargaining system, and I understand the workers frustration over generations.

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Speaker 11: Auto workers sacrifice so much to keep the industry alive

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Speaker 11: and strong, especially the economic crisis and the pandemic. Workers

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Speaker 11: deserve a fair share of the benefits they helped create

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Speaker 11: for an enterprise. I do appreciate that the parties have

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Speaker 11: been working around the clock, and when I first call

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Speaker 11: them at the very first day of their negotiation, I said,

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Speaker 11: please stay at the table as long as you can

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Speaker 11: to try to work this out. And they've been around

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Speaker 11: the clock, and the companies have made some significant offers.

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Speaker 11: But I believe they should go further to ensure record

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Speaker 11: corporate profits mean record contracts for the UAWM. Say it again,

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Speaker 11: record corporate profits which they have should be shared by

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Speaker 11: record contracts for the.

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Speaker 1: Uaw So there you hear, like I said, the union

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Speaker 1: framing record profits from the automakers should mean record contracts,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a concept that you know, everyone

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Speaker 1: should sort of get behind. And I don't know why

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Speaker 1: he sounds different on this one, Sager. I think it's

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Speaker 1: partly because he's a car guy. He's really obsessed with

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Speaker 1: auto industry. He was part obviously of the bailout back

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Speaker 1: under the Obama administration. You know, have been LUNs dead,

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Speaker 1: GM's alive. That was his catchphrase that he came up

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Speaker 1: with that they ran on in twenty twelve. What'd you

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Speaker 1: make of his comments?

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Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting. I do think it's electoral.

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Speaker 2: I think it's you know, you can read a poll,

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the people are supporting unions all

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Speaker 2: time support for a strike. He needs to win Michigan,

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Speaker 2: in Wisconsin and the car areas all over again. There's

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Speaker 2: a don't forget what killed Mitt Romney in twenty twelve

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Speaker 2: that op ed that he wrote, what was it December

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, Let Detroit goote bankrupt?

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Speaker 3: He was like, I didn't write the headline. That's not

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Speaker 3: what Okay, dude, you can say whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: But people in Michigan all decided to quote that whenever

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Speaker 2: they were voting for Obama, and the Obama campaign blasted

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Speaker 2: it all over.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Trump very sma mantly leveraged union support against Hillary

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Speaker 2: and in Ohio as well, both to win Michigan in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and then also to win Ohio and increasingly

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Speaker 2: going there. What is the I forget the counting exactly

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Speaker 2: like the heavy union density county in Ohio which had

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Speaker 2: a former GM plant, and they actually voted even more

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Speaker 2: for Trump in twenty twenty. But the point that he's

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Speaker 2: always done is he's tried to like leverage the idea

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Speaker 2: of like outsourcing, fighting against that we're going against the

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Speaker 2: trade deals, whereas Hillary was very much like she didn't

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Speaker 2: know where the hell she stood on these issues. So

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Speaker 2: I thought it was smart of him to do that,

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Speaker 2: you know, at the gasp of trying to get to

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Speaker 2: the industrial Midwest on his side. Because remember, you know,

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Speaker 2: he didn't win Wisconsin or Michigan by all that many votes.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people actually forget that even though he

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Speaker 2: did win. You know, they don't look at that what

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Speaker 2: the margins are in some of these states. All Trump

554
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Speaker 2: has to do is win three of the Biden states

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Speaker 2: and he wins the election in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and in these states, you know, it's just having

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Speaker 1: lived in Ohio, it's not just the people who work

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Speaker 1: directly in the industry. I mean, first of all, you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of suppliers and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: surround economy that is really devoted to the industry. But

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Speaker 1: it also is just part of the ethos and the

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Speaker 1: pride of those states. So when you make a really

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Speaker 1: clear statement like Biden actually did there again surprisingly of

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Speaker 1: being on the side of the workers over the bosses, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is that is going to land. Trump, on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, got asked what I thought was actually the

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Speaker 1: best question that Kristen Welker asked her during her meet

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Speaker 1: the press interview with him, which became very controversial, which

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Speaker 1: we could talk about another time, but she asked him

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Speaker 1: very directly, which side are you on? Whose side are

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Speaker 1: you on? And instead of giving anything approaching a direct answer,

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Speaker 1: he goes on this meandering thing about EV's and that's

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Speaker 1: the union's fault that Biden got elected, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to how he approached this issue. My question

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Speaker 1: for you, mister president, whose side are you on in this?

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Speaker 12: I'm on the side of making our country grade. The

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Speaker 12: auto workers are not going to have any jobs when

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Speaker 12: you come right down to it, because if you take

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Speaker 12: a look at what they doing with electric cars. Electric

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Speaker 12: cars are going to be made in China. The auto

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Speaker 12: workers are not going to have any I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 12: The auto workers are being sold down the river by

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Speaker 12: their leadership, and their leadership should endure Trump. The reason is,

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Speaker 12: you gotta have choice.

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Speaker 13: Like in school.

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Speaker 12: I want school choice. I also want choice for cars.

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Speaker 12: If somebody wants gasoline, if somebody wants all electric, they

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Speaker 12: can do whatever they want. But they're destroying the consumer

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Speaker 12: and they're destroying the auto workers. The auto workers will

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Speaker 12: not have any jobs, Kristen, because all of these cars

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Speaker 12: are going to be made in China. The electric cars

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Speaker 12: automatically are going to be made in China.

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Speaker 1: In response to the question who side are you on,

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't answer, really, And you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: few things here. We went over some of his comments

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Speaker 1: on this before number one. He either doesn't know or

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Speaker 1: has just decided to ignore the fact that the guys

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Speaker 1: who's in charge of the Uawnwshan Fain. He's only been

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Speaker 1: there five months. He has nothing to do with extreme leadership.

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Speaker 1: He ran against the previous exactly, and so members just

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Speaker 1: elected him because he closely represents their interests and because

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Speaker 1: it very much appears like they support this militant direction

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Speaker 1: that they are taking. That's number one. On the EV part.

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Speaker 1: He loves to say that there's a mandate for EV's

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Speaker 1: not true. I would be all for it if Republicans

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Speaker 1: were actually in favor of, Hey, we're going to move

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Speaker 1: to you know, we're going to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: support the EV industry and that it's got to be

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Speaker 1: union jobs and it's got to be good wages. That's

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Speaker 1: not what they're about. They just don't want to see

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Speaker 1: evs at all, which means you're going to completely see

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Speaker 1: that entire industry to China. That's what they really want.

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Speaker 2: This is where I disagree a bit because the Biden EPA.

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Speaker 2: I did a monologue on this before, so I wanted

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Speaker 2: to have all the details. They have the rule that

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Speaker 2: they want to say that two thirds of new cars

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Speaker 2: in a quarter of new heavy trucks sold in the

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Speaker 2: US by twenty thirty two are all electric. So it's

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Speaker 2: not a mandate, but they're going to effectively do it

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Speaker 2: through the EPA. Now that rule has not passed, let's

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Speaker 2: be clear, it was proposed for a public comment, but

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Speaker 2: it's very likely they have under the Biden.

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Speaker 1: Metosed theoretical rule by twenty.

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Speaker 2: Thirty it's not that administrative law. The way that it

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Speaker 2: works is that whenever you you are about to change

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Speaker 2: what administrative guidelines are, you have to publish public notice

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Speaker 2: in the same way for like an x amount of

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Speaker 2: period before it can go into an effect. So by

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Speaker 2: all accounts, this is very likely to be the actual law,

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Speaker 2: at least the EPA administrative rule that gets put into

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Speaker 2: place almost certainly by the end of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: So then the question is, can we actually go to

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Speaker 2: two thirds of new cars and a quarter of new

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Speaker 2: heavy trucks sold in the US by twenty thirty two

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Speaker 2: all electric?

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Speaker 3: Not a chance in hell.

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Speaker 2: I also support the ability to be able to drive

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Speaker 2: gas power vehicles if they so want. I do think

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Speaker 2: electric vehicles are very important for our future. I also

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Speaker 2: agree with the critique that they make about China now

641
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Speaker 2: that said they didn't do a lot of this stuff

642
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Speaker 2: while they were in office, And that's actually where I

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Speaker 2: get upset, because my response would be, like, I agree

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Speaker 2: that it is a strategic national imperative that battery technology,

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Speaker 2: which is not just useful for electric vehicles, but battery

646
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Speaker 2: research which is great for uns universities, and all of

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Speaker 2: that is heavily rolled up in China and they have

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Speaker 2: all of the support. So let's do what we did

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Speaker 2: with the Chipsack and let's build it here. That's what

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Speaker 2: I would say.

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Speaker 1: So, which is some of what is in the inflation

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Speaker 1: reduction ass.

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Speaker 2: Some but not even close to it enough. I mean,

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Speaker 2: once again, the IRA is going to we will make

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Speaker 2: what are we had ten percent of new cars electric?

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Speaker 2: Maybe five percent or whatever that's bought on the lot.

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Speaker 2: If we're lucky, we'll get to twenty five percent in

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Speaker 2: two years. The other problem is, and this is a

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Speaker 2: Big three problem, and actually this does nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with the unions. They don't make good cars at all.

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Speaker 2: Like the GM what was it, The GM Bolts has

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Speaker 2: already been dish, It's already been discontinued. The only g

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Speaker 2: Big three EV that's worth buying it all, it's a

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Speaker 2: Ford Mustang Maki.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I disagree with that. I love

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Speaker 1: my mind, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that is the only one. You know, what

668
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: are you going to drive the Cadillac Lyric The thing

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Speaker 2: looks like a shit box. I'm like, let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: I actually like the way it looks okay, but the

671
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: performance max all that stuff, it's not gonna work in

672
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Let's hacker. Let's be real about what are they proposing.

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Speaker 1: They're not proposing to do anything.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree. I'm just saying, just want to correct.

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Speaker 1: They just want to shit on evs. That's it. It's

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Speaker 1: not like I have a better plan that's going to

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Speaker 1: make sure that these jobs are here in America and

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Speaker 1: make sure that it's union jobs. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: not to get into the weeds here, but in the

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Speaker 1: Inflation Production Act, originally the White House wanted a rule

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Speaker 1: in there that would require these to be union jobs,

683
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Speaker 1: which would be really important, and which is exactly why

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Speaker 1: the fact that didn't make it in is why Sean

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00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Faine and the UAW are not endorsing Joe Biden yet,

686
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Speaker 1: which is another thing that Trump seems to like mislead

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Speaker 1: on on all of this. And it was basically Joe

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00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Manchin and none of the Republicans supported any of this,

689
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Speaker 1: by the way, So the choice is either you can

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Speaker 1: go do I think that the Biden administration has done enough. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't obviously have been critical of them on a

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: number of times on this front. It should have been

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Speaker 1: a requirement, that is, union jobs. They should do war

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Speaker 1: to make sure this industry is here in America, like

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: you said, like with the Chips Act. But the Republicans

696
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and Trump specifically and Jdvance, who put out very similar

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00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: things on Twitter, they don't want to do anything. They

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00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: just want to say, here, China, go ahead, have the industry.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to try to hold on to just

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Speaker 1: the you know, the traditional gas powered part of the

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Speaker 1: market for as long as we can. When whether you

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Speaker 1: have a guidance from the government in place or not.

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Speaker 1: The automakers of their own volition were moving in this

704
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: direction because they can see the writing on the wall

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Speaker 1: that this is one of the key industries of the future.

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Speaker 1: So are we going to compete in this industry or

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Speaker 1: are we not? And that's kind of the choice here

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00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: and again, to go back to the you know, the

709
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: core of this, he gets asked whose side are you on?

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump supposed the mister working class. Whatever he

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Speaker 1: can't say, he cannot say. None of them has been

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Speaker 1: able to say. There was I think one Republican who

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Speaker 1: represents some moderate you know, Joe Biden District in New

714
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Speaker 1: York who was able to say something somewhat pro worker.

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Speaker 1: But all of these other supposedly pro worker senators and

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Speaker 1: congressmen on the Republican side, they've all tacitly backed the

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Speaker 1: bosses in this. They cannot say that we think the

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Speaker 1: worker should get about it.

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Speaker 2: I would disagree that JD doesn't support building anything new

720
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Speaker 2: because I look, I haven't talked him about it. I

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Speaker 2: don't know full disclosure. I've known the guy for a

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Speaker 2: long time. But the point is is that I would say,

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Speaker 2: if you look, we say say supports more worker funds

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Speaker 2: or more worker but Trump can't even bring us off

725
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: to say that, So I would just put it that way.

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Speaker 2: I agree. Look, I think most of this is weaponized.

727
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: It's weaponized cynicism in order to undermine it on behalf

728
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: of the oil industry, that's the vast majority of the

729
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: Republican Party, and specifically gas powered vehicles. At a structural level,

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Speaker 2: I really just don't know what to do because here's

731
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: the truth. TESLA is beating every single one of these

732
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: people and eating their lunch. They're dropping prices while they're

733
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Speaker 2: able to fight, and even the like I said, the

734
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Speaker 2: vast majority the ev vehicles or prop proposals that have

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Speaker 2: come out since you know, the only one, as I said,

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Speaker 2: the Mustang, I mean that's a luxury vehicle. Unfortunately, in

737
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: order to try and make it accessible, the Asian countries

738
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Speaker 2: and Tesla are the only ones even able to compete.

739
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Speaker 2: You've got the Hundai Ionic five. I think the Key

740
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: actually is quite affordable. It actually looks like a good ride.

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Speaker 2: But my point is is that the people who are

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Speaker 2: playing in that space are not Big three makers. So

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Speaker 2: there's a structural level where I think it's interesting important,

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Speaker 2: But I don't disagree. I don't think that Trump administration

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00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: would do anything necessarily on this, and I also don't

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Speaker 2: have any confidence the vast majority of Republicans would back

747
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Speaker 2: and industrial policy to bring battery technology here to the

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Speaker 2: United States.

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Speaker 1: I think it's never posed anything. They support it. They

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Speaker 1: should propose something.

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Speaker 2: The important thing to understand too, is that even if

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Speaker 2: we don't go electric, the rest of the world will.

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Speaker 3: I was in India.

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Speaker 2: It was really troubling. I was seeing some Chinese like

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00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: BYD vehicles that were on the road. India is actually

756
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: going very heavily into electric vehicles as well. I saw

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00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: it in multiple that were there. So we want to

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Speaker 2: maintain like our ability to also export some of the

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00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: future technology to the world the way that China is

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Speaker 2: and wants to do. It's not just about domestic policy.

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Speaker 2: It's also about One of the things with oil is

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Speaker 2: we have a ton of it. We actually are I

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Speaker 2: think we're a net oil exporter in some cases, which

764
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: I think is stupid for a whole other reasons, but

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Speaker 2: it gives us strategic independence and a big economic fund. Unfortunately,

766
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: know this is happening public policy, So you're not wrong. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree.

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Speaker 1: Some of it is happening in public policy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in the Inflation Production Act, you have not only incentives,

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Speaker 1: you have some attempts at real industrial policy so that

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Speaker 1: we are part of that future and we don't just

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Speaker 1: seed the whole thing to China. We're way behind in

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Speaker 1: terms of moving in that direction. And you also have

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Speaker 1: some efforts at consumer and centers to try to make

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Speaker 1: these vehicles more affordable.

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Speaker 3: That's mostly a Tesla.

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Speaker 2: Mostly Tesla's been using, I believe, because it's a tiered

778
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Speaker 2: system where the Union I think it's seventy five hundred

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Speaker 2: off for a union made vehicle and then five thousand

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Speaker 2: off for a non union made vehicle. But my point

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00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: is the tax credit system is not it has not

782
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: been the impetus that was wanted in the consumer market

783
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: for you, well, at at least at least let.

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00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: Tesla could always unionize it. And I mean that's the

785
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: other thing is, you know, this fight for the auto

786
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: workers is so much bigger than just their wages, because

787
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: you can see already with what happened with UPS and Teamsters,

788
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: the number of Americans who understand that being part of

789
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: a union is going to secure you a better deal

790
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: has skyrocketed. The amount of interest in organizing has skyrocketed,

791
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: the amount of work actions skyrocketed. And you also have

792
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: somewhat of a more favorable landscape for union organizing right

793
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: now with this National Labor Relations Board. So it makes

794
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: it easier for you know, if you're for example, if

795
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: you are working at FedEx and you see what the

796
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: UPS drivers are getting, I mean, this is a problem

797
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: for FedEx. They're going to have to up their wages

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00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: in order to compete. And it's the same thing with Tesla.

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00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to have to Their workers are

800
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: looking at the deal that these autoworkers secure and they're

801
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: way further down the total poll in terms of what

802
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: they're earning. I mean, that's going to impact that whole industry,

803
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: whether or not they're unionized. So that's why these fights matter,

804
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: not just for the workers that are directly impacted.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you completely.

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Speaker 3: Let's go move on student loans.

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Speaker 2: This is an important one. It actually gets a lot

808
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: of what we're talking about, affordability, way of life. How

809
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: exactly do we make it here October, student loan repayments

810
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: are starting, So let's go and put this up there

811
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: on the screen. The restart threatens to pull quote one

812
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars out of consumer pockets. Households are cutting

813
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: back and are worrying the largest retailers in the United States.

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Speaker 2: So the average payment that borrowers are going to have

815
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: to start making is two to three hundred dollars each month,

816
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: which is effectively equivalent to a car payment. The payments

817
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: will quote mark the first time that borrowers have to

818
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: make good on these loans since the Education Department instituted

819
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: that pause in March of twenty twenty, so it's been

820
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: over three and a half years now that they has

821
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: been in place. Quote. The issue is that in the interim,

822
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: money was spent on television's, travel, new homes, and thousands

823
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: of other products. That spending is one reason that the

824
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: economy has remained resilient in recent years despite the surge

825
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Speaker 2: in interest rate. So we're going to have now a

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Speaker 2: high interest rate environment, and we are going to see

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00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: on average two to three hundred dollars a month that

828
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: are pulled out of the consumer pocket.

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Speaker 3: So right now, Target, Walmart and other.

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Speaker 2: Retailers which rely heavily on discussionary spending, are flagging this

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Speaker 2: as one of the biggest things that are going to

832
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: impact their bottom line. Now the Biden economists and others

833
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 2: are actually saying opposite. They're like, well, it's a small

834
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Speaker 2: thing for the eighteen trillion dollars in US consumer spending,

835
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: but this actually can have a really big impact that

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot about Crystal. October, November, and

837
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Speaker 2: December is known as the time when like forty something

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Speaker 2: percent of retail sales occur, largely because of Christmas. People

839
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Speaker 2: thread money like crazy during the holidays. Don't ask me why,

840
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: but anyway, so like people throw money out of their

841
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: pockets it seems like nothing is real. Well, if you,

842
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: at the very same time have a two to three

843
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month pulled out of your budget for

844
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: Christmas gifts and for all this other stuff that you

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Speaker 2: were going to buy let's say on Black Friday, Prime

846
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: Day or any of these other things, well then you

847
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: may just you know, that could be the reason not

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00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: to buy it, or it could be the reason to

849
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: go into debt. Both of those things are really bad,

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Speaker 2: you know, when we consider it from a macro level,

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00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: it also just makes it even more so daily life.

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Speaker 2: For two to three hundred dollars, I get a current

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00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: grocery price, what is that like a week, you know

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00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: for a family of four, probably less, unfortunately, So that's

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00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: one week of groceries which is gone, or it's one

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00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: week of your house fund, you know, your sorry, one

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00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: month of your put you down payment fund, or any

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: of these other things that people are signing up for.

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00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: So the overall pull out of the economy I think,

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Speaker 2: I think is actually going to have an immense impact,

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Speaker 2: given the fact that quarter four, whenever it's starting up,

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Speaker 2: it's one of the worst times you want to impact

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Speaker 2: retail spending from a macro level.

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Speaker 1: To your point, I mean the reason they call it

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Speaker 1: Black Friday is because traditionally that's when the retailers actually

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Speaker 1: get into the black and become profitable, and so that's

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Speaker 1: why they call it that, and that does make this

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Speaker 1: period of time really critical for a lot of retailers

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Speaker 1: target Walmart, et cetera. I thought one of the most

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Speaker 1: noteworthy pieces that they noted in here is that the

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Speaker 1: FED did a survey of economic conditions and found that

872
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Speaker 1: already the potential payment restart had led to workers taking

873
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: on more hours and more workers being available. So they're

874
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: already seeing the pressure. Of course, they're like probably celebrating this,

875
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: but they're already seeing the pressure being put on the

876
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: workforce just with the anticipation of these payments restarting. You

877
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: also have a lot of signs that workers and Americans

878
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: who have a student loan debt significant student loan debt

879
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: are already under a lot of financial pressure and already

880
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: are relying on debt in order to finance their living expenses.

881
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: They note that more than half of consumers with student

882
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: loans added bank credit card debt during the pandemic, around

883
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: a third took on new auto loans, fifteen percent took

884
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: out new mortgages, and at the same time, these consumer

885
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: savings have been declining since reaching a peak in twenty

886
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: twenty one. So you already have some signs that you've

887
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: got a lot of student loan debt holders who are

888
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: already kind of at the brink. We've been talking here

889
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: and put up some charts and showing you some numbers

890
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: about you know, over the course of the Biden administration,

891
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: in the beginning, you have the American Rescue Plan, that's

892
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: what it was called, right, the Biden one, where you

893
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: got checks and people's you got the child tax credit,

894
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: you got some pandemic aid and recovery added on top

895
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: of what was done during the early days of the pandemic.

896
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: And the story of these years has been those programs

897
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: falling away and falling away and falling away. So no

898
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: surprise that you have all these signs of financial insecurity

899
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: in creating. The number of Americans who you know, could

900
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: afford a four hundred dollars emergency emergency express expense that's

901
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: going down. You see the number of people who have

902
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: these huge ballooning credit card balances that's going up. You

903
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: see the amount in the savings account, you see that

904
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: going down. So you have all these signs that Americans

905
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: are already stressed, and of course inflation adding to that picture.

906
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: Then you layer on top of that this huge blow

907
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: of Americans having to restart payments. That could be it

908
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: could be very difficult. Now, one thing I did want

909
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: to note, I mean, we do have we had the

910
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Biden administration's attempt to cancel some debt. Obviously the struck down.

911
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: They're trying again through a different method to try to

912
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: get that to go through the courts. That's going to

913
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: take some time to work itself out if that even

914
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: comes to pass. They did pass, they did put forward

915
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: a repayment plan to make the payments lower. It's called save,

916
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: to make the payments lower than what they would be

917
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: based on your income level, to try to make this

918
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: more affordable for people as they restart, I will typical

919
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: neoliberal fashion because it's all means tests and complicated whatever.

920
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: It's a little bit hard to navigate. But that program

921
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: is a vail to try to at least help to

922
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: soften the blow for some individuals. But I'm really concerned

923
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: about what this is going to look like when it

924
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: fully restarts, because this is going to be a huge

925
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: hit to a lot of people who are already in

926
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: a difficult position.

927
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the SAVE program i've heard people talk about. Dave

928
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: Ramsey in particular, had a whole interesting take on how

929
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: exactly it works. I recommend people go listen to them

930
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: if you're interesting, because I know a lot of people

931
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: actually struggling with this. I think it has something to

932
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: do with pausing interest in the hope of in the

933
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: hope of forgiveness later on. I know also that there's

934
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: a lot of issues with SAVE is that it only

935
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: focuses on federal bowers and it doesn't apply to some

936
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: private programs, and also parents who'd taken programs out as well.

937
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: The point is that this is really bad, and we

938
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: have numbers actually to continue to show you, just to

939
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: give you an idea. Let's put these up there on

940
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: the screen. Please that the time our team put together,

941
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: you can see that the average debt bachelor degree holder

942
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: right now is twenty eight thousand and four. Grad school

943
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: as of course, where it always gets really hit seventy

944
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: one thousand, the parent plus loan, that's what I was

945
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: talking about. There is at twenty eight thousand. Law school

946
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: debt is an average one hundred and thirty MBA six,

947
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: med school two oh three, dental school three oh one.

948
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: I wonder if dentists made more than doctors, because that's

949
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: pretty crazy. And then pharmacy school, which I don't understand,

950
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: is one hundred and eighty thousand dollars, nursing school somewhere

951
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: between twenty thousand dollars to forty seven thousand, and then

952
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: vet school is one hundred and fifty. And you can

953
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: see that the overall amount of student dret outlying right

954
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: now is one point seventy sixty six trillion, and that

955
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: is after you have seen an interest basically an interest

956
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: freeze for the last couple of years. So anyway, the

957
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: point is that some big consumer spending is about to

958
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: get pulled out of the economy, and we could very

959
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: much see some contraction in the year to come. At

960
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: the very overall impact on retail spending. Retail spending has jobs.

961
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: We have seasonal workers who work for Amazon, for all

962
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: these other people which rely on a lot of these places.

963
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, drop in retail is very bad for the

964
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: US economy.

965
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course there's I mean, the bigger structural

966
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: picture of the insanity of these costs and the fact

967
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: that we need to do. I mean, that's the macro

968
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: is that all all of these different programs that are

969
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: an attempt to make the payments at least somewhat reasonable,

970
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: are you know, not getting at the core issue that

971
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: it's insane that a college education should cost as much

972
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: as it does at this point. Last thing, I just

973
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: want to say, if you do have a high student

974
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: loan debt burden, and this is something you're struggling with,

975
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: do look into the Safe Plan. It's just an income

976
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: driven repayment plan. The ideas they'll take into account how

977
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: much you're earning, what your family size is, and then

978
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: your monthly payment will be lower than what it was.

979
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: And anything after twenty years that hasn't gotten paid down

980
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: that will be forgiven. Some people who are lower income

981
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: they'll qualify for no payments whatsoever. So do look into it.

982
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: I will tell you everything we're hearing is the paperwork

983
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: and getting a process. It takes about four weeks to

984
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: get these things processed, so it is a little bit

985
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: of a bureaucratic nightmare as these things are. Again, you know,

986
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: this is why I'm in favor of simple universal programs,

987
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: but I think it could help a lot of people

988
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: out there if this is something you're struggling with, So

989
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: that's the flag ps.

990
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: You know, take care out there if this is one

991
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: of you folks. Yes, ob let's move on abortion. So

992
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Trump making some interesting comments in two separate interviews that

993
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: he gave over the last couple of days. The first

994
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: is probably the most politically astute thing he's done since

995
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: the announce for reelection. He came out hard against Ron DeSantis,

996
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: but also any state that signed a six week abortion ban.

997
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: In his Meet the Press interview, let's take a lesson.

998
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: Mister President. I want to give voters who are going

999
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: to be weighing in on this election, Yeah, a very

1000
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: clear sense of I think I don't think they're all

1001
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: going to like me.

1002
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 12: I think both sides you are going to like me.

1003
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 12: Let's going to have to happen, is you're going to

1004
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 12: have to do this question. You're asking me a question.

1005
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 12: What's going to happen is you're going to come up

1006
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 12: with a number of weeks or months. You're going to

1007
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 12: come up with a number that's going to make people happy.

1008
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 12: Because ninety two percent of the Democrats don't want to

1009
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 12: see abortion after a certain period of time.

1010
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: If a federal ban landed on your desk if you

1011
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: were re elected, would you say.

1012
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 12: It at fifteen Are you talking about a complete ban

1013
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 12: a ban at fifteen weeks? Well, people are starting to

1014
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 12: think of fifteen weeks. That seems to be a number

1015
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 12: that people are talking about right now.

1016
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: Would you sign that.

1017
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 12: I would sit down with both sides and I negotiate

1018
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 12: something and we'll end up with peace in that issue

1019
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 12: for the first time in fifty two years. I'm not

1020
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 12: going to say I would or I wouldn't. I mean,

1021
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 12: de Sanctis is willing to sign a five week and

1022
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 12: six week bit.

1023
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: Do you support that?

1024
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 12: You think that that's what he did is a terrible

1025
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 12: thing and a terrible.

1026
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 3: Mistake, a terrible thing. So don't forget it's not just Florida.

1027
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: It states like Iowa, which is the caucus happening right now,

1028
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: States like Ohio, Georgia. There are multiple six week bands

1029
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: which would pass across the United States. So this is

1030
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: a direct break not only with Ron DeSantis, but with

1031
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 2: a huge portion of this GOP states. And as I said,

1032
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: what's what he has just said makes him the most

1033
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: moderate present person in the entire race on the issue. Abortion,

1034
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: I mean, which is fascinating for I think the mind

1035
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: to comprehend for people who try to look at this stuff.

1036
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: But listen, the man got elected for a reason.

1037
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: He's moderate in many ways on the areas where the

1038
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: GOP has always been the most radical quote unquote, which

1039
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: is poisonous to the electorate.

1040
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: And also Trump doesn't really believe anything.

1041
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: So whenever he sees states like Ohio, Kentucky, with Michigan

1042
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: and all these others kill abortion at the ballot box

1043
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: every single time it comes up for referendum, He's like,

1044
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: all right, well whatever, He's like, it helped me get elected,

1045
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, being pro life, to get the evangelicals to

1046
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: come out to vote for me in twenty sixteen when

1047
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: I made my Supreme Court thing. But those votes are

1048
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: gone and a ton of other votes have been activated.

1049
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, well this is where I'm.

1050
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: Going classic Trump in that he doesn't actually say what

1051
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: his position is. You know, she's like fifteen, and he's

1052
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: like many people are talking about fifteen, you know, I mean,

1053
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: doesn't actually commit to anything. I was surprised he was

1054
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: as clear as he was on a six week ban, though,

1055
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean that was for him to say it was

1056
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: terrible and to be that overt about it. I'm sure

1057
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of you know, upset

1058
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: pro life in the pro life world. But this is

1059
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: the other thing. When you're the big dog, you can

1060
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: get away with things that other candidates could not get

1061
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: away with. I don't think there's another candidate in the

1062
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: field who could say things as directly that you know, no,

1063
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: that's too far, and that's terrible, and we're not doing

1064
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: that on an issue that is really key to a

1065
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: lot of Republican voters, even if it's at odds with

1066
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: the general public. I don't think there's another candidate in

1067
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: the Republican field who could afford to say that that

1068
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: directly on this issue. And that's why you ended up

1069
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: with DeSantis signing this bill, which he clearly was uncomfortable doing.

1070
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, waited until after he got re elected as

1071
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: governor Florida because he was worried how it would play

1072
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: even in the state of Florida. He signed it in

1073
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: like a midnight signing. Cereal. He's clearly trying to bury

1074
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he was doing this thing, but also

1075
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: felt the need to placate the pro life activists both

1076
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: in his state and nationally. So that's how he ends

1077
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: up in this position. But you know, this is Trump's

1078
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of normy instincts coming out here, and he immediately

1079
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: recognized even though he of course is the one who

1080
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: put the justices in place to overturned Growth versus Way,

1081
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: he also immediately recognized that Roe versus Way being overturned

1082
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: was going to be a massive liability for Republicans.

1083
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. The important point here with the Rod with DeSantis

1084
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: and what's happened is, as you said, they are all

1085
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: still at the liberty of the pro life groups of

1086
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: being attacked.

1087
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Mark Levin, if this were any other candidate,

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Speaker 2: he would lose it, you know, on the board, lose it.

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Speaker 2: You would see like frauth at the mouth of some

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Speaker 2: of the Glenn Beck some of these other folks. They're

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Speaker 2: not going to say a damn thing on this, and

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Speaker 2: if they do, it's going to be like the most me. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's this and but he got road dun

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Speaker 2: you know, something like that. True, And he gets away

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 3: And that's why he's good at what he does.

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Speaker 2: You know, he leverages his position and as always he

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Speaker 2: remains one of the most moderate people really on the

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Speaker 2: issue on social issues in the entire GOP issue, where

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Speaker 2: I have always believed has given him tremendous amounts of strength.

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Speaker 2: One third of the people who voted for Trump in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen were pro choice, and I think probably one

1104
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 2: hundred percent of the people voted for the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: or pro choice. So you know, you only have anything

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00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: to gain by being moderate on the issue and by

1107
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: disavowing specifically the most unpopular elements of your party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then again, I mean, he was the guy

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Speaker 1: that put these dust.

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Speaker 3: That's what It's complicated.

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00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: So it's not like the reality of what you know,

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00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: his term in office led to was moderation.

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Speaker 2: There was also a very funny bit when Megan Kelly

1114
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: started trying to get Trump into some of our modern

1115
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: culture wars, and you can tell he is just completely

1116
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 2: detached from the issue. Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 12: I knew caitlyn Is Bruce. I knew Bruce, and you know,

1118
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 12: Bruce was a great athlete and a very handsome person,

1119
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 12: very handsome guy, and all of a sudden, Bruce's Caitlin

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Speaker 12: I said, what's this all about? This was a brand

1121
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 12: new subject too, just like just like we talk about,

1122
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 12: you know, the pandemic was a subject that nobody knew

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00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 12: anything about. Nobody knew anything about.

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Speaker 2: Can a man become a woman.

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Speaker 12: In my opinion, you.

1126
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Speaker 1: Have a man, you have a woman.

1127
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 12: I think I think part of it is birth.

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Speaker 1: Can the man give birth?

1129
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 7: No?

1130
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: No?

1131
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: So you know what I find just fascinating about Trump

1132
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: is like he truly doesn't care. This is a man

1133
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: who it's because this is where a huge portion of

1134
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: the energy is, especially online online republic. This is like

1135
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: Matt wallsh Daily Wire, like this is like the beating

1136
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: heart of what they're all about.

1137
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: And really, actually, let's be honest.

1138
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: You know that big portion of people who are into

1139
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: like modern right wing politics, like this is the genesis

1140
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Speaker 2: of it.

1141
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: But Trump himself floats in a different universe.

1142
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: So I just I don't know, I can't help but

1143
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: just marvel at the fact that he gets away with

1144
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: something that no other Republican politician would be able to

1145
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: on this issue too, If any Republican politician didn't definitively

1146
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: answer like absolutely not and go off about schools and

1147
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: all this stuff be raked, you know, they would look

1148
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: at what Asa Hutchinson and all that the amount that Tucker,

1149
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: Carlson and others go after him. But with Trump, he

1150
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: gets it. He gets away with everything. He gets away

1151
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: with everything.

1152
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's going to be an incoming Tucker

1153
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: monologue like expiating him. Yeah, it's a great point. I

1154
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: mean you can see in particular, like the Veik and

1155
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis or like compete with each other on the

1156
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: extremist language that they use on this subject. They would

1157
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: have no problem, no qualms about answering this issue. They

1158
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: would know exactly what to say. And we noted even

1159
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: in his in Trump's announcement speech, remember that he didn't

1160
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: really he may have said one thing about it, but

1161
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Speaker 1: it was like not, it's so just like I said

1162
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: DeSantis and now we're amswami as well. This really they

1163
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Speaker 1: put at the core of especially when they were launching,

1164
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Speaker 1: when they were first getting their campaigns going, because they

1165
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: saw this is where all a lot of right wing

1166
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: online energy is. But again I do feel like this

1167
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: is kind of Trump called it early on the you

1168
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: know this woke's anti woke thing like people means. I

1169
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: love that, And it goes back to I think some

1170
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: of his like New York parts of him where he's not.

1171
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: He's in for you know, the like casual xenophobia, but

1172
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Speaker 1: he's not really ready to go in on all the

1173
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: anti gay stuff. That being said, I mean, he goes

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Speaker 1: on to remind everybody that he pointed out he banned

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Speaker 1: trans people from the military, and he basically said the

1176
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: right things with regards to the right when it comes

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Speaker 1: to you know, banning trans people from bathroom sports, et cetera.

1178
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Speaker 1: But he clearly is not interested in really talking about

1179
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: this issue, not interested in really running on this issue.

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Speaker 1: This is not the core of what he wants to

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Speaker 1: be tagget.

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Speaker 3: But it's smart.

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Speaker 2: I mean the bathroom thing, for example, it was extremely popular.

1184
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Speaker 2: But with our friend of mine, Joe Simonston actually had

1185
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: a good insight quote Trump is not going to be

1186
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: based on trans stuff because he's from Manhattan, where transgender

1187
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: people were not an uncommon fixture of downtown life throughout

1188
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Speaker 2: the seventies, eighties, and nineties. It is only now a

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Speaker 2: political movement.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a.

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00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: Very astute observation. We always have to remember, like Trump's

1192
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: from Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: You know, the pictures are Rudy Julie Ye dressed up

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Speaker 1: as a woman that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that's not thing. It's like a drag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But they're all against that now too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well they're against it for children, Crystal. Okay, sure, okay,

1198
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Speaker 2: against it for children or at the very least a

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Speaker 2: reasonable position.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Lauren Bobert and cow are very concerned about our children.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Barber ship be concerned about her own children after

1202
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Speaker 2: her actions this weekend, but we will save in a

1203
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Speaker 2: little bit.

1204
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Speaker 3: Let's move on, Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 2: As crystl said, I was down in Austin where Marshall

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00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: was getting married this weekend. So congratulations to my friend

1207
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Speaker 2: of the show, Marshall Costloff. And while I was there,

1208
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 2: just feet away from the US Capital, Texas Attorney General

1209
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Speaker 2: Ken Paxson was acquitted on all sixteen articles of impeachment.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen

1211
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: because the details of this are actually really interesting. Quote.

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Speaker 2: Only two out of the nineteen Republican senators voted in

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Speaker 2: favor of convicting for any article of impeachment, which is

1214
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Speaker 2: a complete flip after the seventy percent of House Republicans

1215
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: actually teach the attorney general in May. As you can

1216
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: see there, you can see all of the votes that

1217
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: lined up to equit him. The point was that they

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00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: needed twenty one votes to ecquit and they are to convict,

1219
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: and they didn't come close on any of the measures

1220
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: that were made against him. Now we've gotten investigation, we've

1221
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: broken down some of the details here before they effectively

1222
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 2: boil down to let's just say, very cozy interesting relationships

1223
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: involving big donors, his mistress, getting his mistress a job,

1224
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: using and pressuring the office the FBI to investigate competitors

1225
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: to set donor. It's like the most intra Texas thing

1226
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: you can imagine. Also, what is it getting free remodels

1227
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: on his house? Ye, there's a lot going on here.

1228
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: And let's just say that in terms of the allegations himselves,

1229
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: like I don't even think it really denies it, you know,

1230
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: they're basically bulletproof true, which is part of the reason

1231
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: why I was impeached. But this is why I wanted

1232
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: to focus in on this is this is a major

1233
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: victory for the MAGA move movement in the Texas GOP

1234
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: because there was a lot of intro fight around the

1235
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: Bush people and then the Trump people about who has

1236
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: the power, who has the energy, the Bush contingent, obviously

1237
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: left over from the W. Bush administration. These are Chamber

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: of Commerce Republicans, oil guys, very traditional, the Mitt Romney

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00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: archetype of GOP. We've had MAGA people, mostly like Ken Paxson,

1240
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: who's been a MAGA hero now for a long time,

1241
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: and that is really what saved him in this trial.

1242
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1243
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: You've got almost every single Texas politician who is aspiring

1244
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: to something like Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick immediately coming out

1245
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: blasting the impeachment process. But most importantly, and I'd heard

1246
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: a lot of rumblings from this crystal, is that a

1247
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: full blown movement was launched by Trump and by many

1248
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: of the people around him to make sure that the

1249
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: message was sent. Let's put Axios please up on the screen,

1250
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: which just made it clear, if you vote to impeach

1251
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: Ken Paxton, we are coming after you with everything we've got.

1252
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: You will get primary, you will lose power.

1253
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: They leashed, unleashed all of the MAGA influencers and others

1254
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: who were against him to prop him up.

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Speaker 3: Packson.

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Speaker 2: Of course, remember we remember he did that lawsuit on

1257
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: behalf of the electors or whatever for the pet during

1258
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. He has long endeared himself to Trump.

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: This entire thing, by the way, has made me convince

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: that if Trump does win, Ken pax is gonna be

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00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: Attorney general. He will be one hundred percent he's going

1262
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: to be the ag nominated. But anyway, politically, it was

1263
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: a huge coup for MAGA. Really in the Texas GOP,

1264
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: where there's been a long fight between Greg Abbott and others.

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Speaker 3: There was recently a.

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Speaker 2: Clip I'm sure people saw of Tucker going after Texas

1267
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: Governor Greg Abbott for not doing enough on the border.

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00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of you know, intro fighting that's

1269
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: been happening within the party for a long time. The

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00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: fact that they were able to prevail here actually does

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00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: show a pretty interesting balance of power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the details here are disgusting.

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Speaker 3: As I said, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: A property developer who he was buddies with. They're trading

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: political favors and a long sort of it is this dude.

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Part of why Paxson was so interested in protecting him

1277
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: and going after his you know, adversaries, competitors, et cetera,

1278
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: is because the developer dude had hired his mistress so

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: that the mistress could be there nearby in Austin. And

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00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: it's also, you know, disgraceful because his wife is part

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: as a member of the Senate, so she had to

1282
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: stand by and like watch all of this unfolding too,

1283
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 1: knowing he'd lied to her and lied to everyone else

1284
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: about this affair that was going I mean, it's just

1285
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: it's as blatant as possible. And the people who were

1286
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: the whistleblowers in this were like Republican true believers who

1287
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: worked in his office who saw all of this going down,

1288
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: were like, this is unbelievable. This dude is breaking the law,

1289
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: Like we have to come forward with this information. So

1290
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: of course it was painted in Trump friendly circles as

1291
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Speaker 1: some sort of like deep state plot et cetera, et cetera.

1292
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: And you know, it was very successful. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's said because the facts here couldn't be any more

1294
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: clear cut. But politics is so tribal, even within the

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Republican Party, where you had a Republican House that actually

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01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: impeached him, but the Republican House in Texas is more

1297
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: aligned with that like Bush wing of the party, and

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: the Senate is more trumpy. So we were saying from

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Speaker 1: the beginning, we expected him to be acquitted because of

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: that political dynamic. But that's it. It doesn't the facts,

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Speaker 1: the details, the you know, gravity of the allegation, sy

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Speaker 1: none of that matters. It ended up just mattering are

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: whose team are you on? They paid social media influencers

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Speaker 1: to defend the attorney general. Apparently Charlie Kirk was very critical.

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: According to strategists who you know, were involved in this effort.

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Speaker 1: Quoted by Axios, they said he had his people posting

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Speaker 1: senators office numbers, was giving the manage show driving the

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Speaker 1: centers absolutely crazy. Also interesting, they said they didn't care

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Speaker 1: what mainstream media said about this. All they cared about

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: were like the partisan rag outlets that were going to

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Speaker 1: toe the line, So that was what their focus was on.

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Speaker 1: And then the last sign of just sort of how

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Speaker 1: utterly corrupt this process was the Lieutenant Governor Patrick, who

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Speaker 1: presided over this trial as judge. As prescribed by you

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Speaker 1: know how this procedure works in Texas, he got a

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Speaker 1: million dollar campaign donation and a two million dollar loan

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Speaker 1: from a pro Paxton group just before the trial, and

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Speaker 1: then immediately after the trial is over, he comes out

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Speaker 1: and talks about how you know what a disgrace this

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Speaker 1: was that they impeached him, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Speaker 1: it's just as blatantly tribal and corrupt as it could

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Speaker 1: possibly be.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely am and that's the Texas GOP always kind of

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Speaker 2: has been. So but now I really see this as

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Speaker 2: like an intro fight Dan Patrick. He knows where his

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Speaker 2: bread is buttered now and you won't be seeing something different.

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Speaker 2: And there's also still a lot of fights too. Don't

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Speaker 2: forget there was a split I believe between the two

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Speaker 2: Texas senators. Ted Cruz was a big Ken Paxton supporter

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Speaker 2: because he wants to remain popular and in office, whereas

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Speaker 2: John Corn I don't think he had said anything that

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Speaker 2: we're on the procedure. He's much more of establishment parent

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Speaker 2: and protachment type. So you know, like I said, it's

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Speaker 2: a very interesting cleavage in the entire party. And this

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Speaker 2: I believe is a big victory, not just obviously for Paxton,

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Speaker 2: who gets to remain in the job, but for all

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Speaker 2: the people in Washington who are on the side of

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Speaker 2: MAGA in particular.

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Speaker 1: This is it. The last thing I'll say on this

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: is Paxon is not out of the woods. He's also

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01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: under criminal investigation, so you know, he could potentially be

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01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: in legal trouble even though he escaped with his life.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the political well that's what helps set

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Speaker 3: off this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Remember this has right years ago, these allegations came out

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Speaker 2: about the federal investigation and all that, So who knows,

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: maybe the Biden people will pick it up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, sorry guys, but we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about Lauren Buffort. I'm sure you all know. She's,

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Speaker 1: you know, like sort of very far right congresswoman represents

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Speaker 1: a district in Colorado.

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Speaker 3: She just barely five hundred votes by.

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Speaker 1: The skin of her teeth last time around, and she's

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: facing a tough challenge this time around. So first thing

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Speaker 1: we learned is that she had gone to a family friendly,

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Speaker 1: supposedly theatrical production of Beetlejuice in Denver and she was

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Speaker 1: kicked out, and you know, she was all, oh, I

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01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. I was just singing and enjoying myself

1359
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: and maybe they just hate like Republicans and that's why

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Speaker 1: I got kicked out, etc. Well, turns out there was

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Speaker 1: security footage. So let's go and put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. By the way, this is not a child

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Speaker 1: friendly if you have Okay, So this is her with

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Speaker 1: her date ye in this family friendly theatrical production, feeling

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01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: up on her tits, and then she goes ahead and

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: reaches over to his crotch and whispers something to him.

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Speaker 1: I really hate myself right now describing all this. Then

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Speaker 1: you see her getting kicked out. According to the theater,

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Speaker 1: there was lots of you know, don't you know who

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Speaker 1: I am on the board? I'm on the board, and

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Speaker 1: she apparently flipped off some usher who's just trying to

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Speaker 1: do their job. Put this next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We've got some of the details here from Reuters they

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Speaker 1: are sorry. From the Associated Press, they say the theater

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Speaker 1: didn't name bober but a spokesperson and said Wednesday the

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: video which showed Bobert and guests being escorted out of

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01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: the venue was of guests who were kicked out after

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01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: audience members accused them of vaping, singing, using phones, and

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Speaker 1: causing disturbance. During the argument in the theater, the two

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Speaker 1: made comments along the lines of do you know who

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Speaker 1: I am? And I will be contacting the mayor. According

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Speaker 1: to the venue's statement, which that type of attitude. I

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Speaker 1: just I actually find that worse than a lot of

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Speaker 1: the other things.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I actually agree, that's probably the worst thing that

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Speaker 2: she did the.

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Speaker 1: Whole Yeah, do you know, I am thing and yeah,

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Speaker 1: so initially, like I said, she she tried to deny it.

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Speaker 1: They had also in that writer's report, her original statement

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Speaker 1: from her campaign manager said, I can confirm the stunning

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Speaker 1: and sallicious rumors in her personal time. Congressman Lauren Bobert

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Speaker 1: is indeed a supporter of the performing arts gasp, adding

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Speaker 1: that she pleads guilty to singing along, laughing and enjoying herself.

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Speaker 1: That was the original.

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Speaker 3: She brought this on herself. Yeah, nobody was going to

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Speaker 3: release that video.

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Speaker 2: She said.

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Speaker 1: That's a great she was.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I wasn't vaping. She was puffing fat clouds

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Speaker 2: in the vernacular of the gen z kness who were

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01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 3: I want to know if she was using an elf bar.

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01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: Apparently too, there was pregnant lady who was right there

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Speaker 1: who was asking her to stop.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basic etiquette. Keep that in mind.

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Speaker 2: Vapors, by the way, both weed variety and nicotine variety,

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: because it is annoying whenever you're in an indoor venue.

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01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: But the point is that she brought it on herself

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01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: by acting like a fool whenever she was in public

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: and then denying it after she got kicked out. But

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Speaker 2: the best part is is her recent defense in an

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01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: interview with O A N one American news network. Here's

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01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: what she had to say.

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Speaker 14: What's the top story Lauren Bobert getting kicked out of

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01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 14: the Baute Theater, Denver, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: On what the media does.

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Speaker 13: It's what the media does, so what they do.

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Speaker 14: I was a little too eccentric.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 14: I'm very known for having a animated personality, maybe overtly

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01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 14: animated personality. I was laughing, I was singing, having a

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 14: fantastic time. Was told to kind of settle it down

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 14: a little bit, which I did. But then my next

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 14: slip up was taking a picture.

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Speaker 13: Sure can't take any images of the play. I've done

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01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 13: it too, I've snuck them sh right. So you got

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 13: thrown out because she took a pick and you weren't

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 13: supposed to. But you know what, here's my.

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Speaker 2: Whole thing, was arguing.

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 14: There's report saying that I was arguing threatening you call

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Speaker 14: the Denver mayor. I don't know why I would ever

1433
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 14: call the Denver mayor. I think he would have tried

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 14: to lock me up the report saying I was on

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 14: the board of something.

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I'm on the board.

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 14: I'm on the edge of a lot of things.

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Speaker 13: Let me tell you, people that complained that, I'm thinking

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01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 13: you're in Denver, Lauren. It's very liberal. The people that

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 13: complained to the ushers that you're being noisy could have

1441
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 13: recognized you and been like, oh, I think that's that

1442
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 13: mega girl.

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01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that's why she reason well and all of the

1444
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: other stuff.

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01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing too, She is flat out at first,

1446
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: you flat out lied. She's a liar about the vaping,

1447
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: and then when she was caught on camera, she issued

1448
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: some apology for just that portion. I mean, listen, here's

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01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: here's my thing with all of this, Like it is

1450
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: the behavior tragy, it's trashy. Do I really care that much? No.

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: What I care about here, though, is what she's such

1452
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: a hypocrite because she does posture as this like oh,

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm such a Christian, and oh I'm so concerned about

1454
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: the children, and she's very you know, we're talking about

1455
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: trans drag shows. What are she's like very vociferously against

1456
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: Alida because we must protect the children. Whatever, And there

1457
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: you are feeling up on this dude in some family

1458
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: friendly Beetle Juice production. Like listen, I'm all for Trashi

1459
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: Hoose having representation in Congress, but I would like those

1460
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: trashios to be a little less hypocritical in their approach.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other piece that many were pointing out.

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. So the dude that

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01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: she's with there, apparently he owns a gay friendly bar

1464
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: that hosts drag shows, something that she again supposedly is

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: vociferously against because we must think of the children. Soccer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as I said, there's a lot going on here.

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01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 2: My personal favorite there's a lot of good tweets and

1468
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: a lot of good memes about this is that the

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: venue should start shelling t shirts, which has got my

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01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: Beetle Juice and the Beetle Juice.

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Speaker 3: Jillian scept me that one.

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Speaker 1: I also there's also some really thank you for the memes, Lauren.

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01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: There are some good ones about why are we all

1474
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 3: saying be star star?

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: Do you know what we're bringing up? Actually we might

1476
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: have said it more than three times in this more

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01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: than three times this, that's a great fine you've ever

1478
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: watched the if you know the premise of the if

1479
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 2: you don't understand the premise of the show anyway, there's

1480
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: a lot going on here.

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: Also, it's not exactly like the sexiest show you give me.

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01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's also there's questions you know about, like

1483
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: why beatle juice? You know very I God, I just

1484
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 2: said it again. I'm bringing I'm bringing it upon myself.

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: This is the most fun we've had here in a

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01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so thank you, Lauren. I appreciate that. All right, Sorry,

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: we're looking.

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Speaker 2: At I want to start out by saying I've got

1490
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: nothing personal against Asnamonaj.

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 3: If anything, I actually owe him.

1492
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: Once, despite the fact that I had never met him,

1493
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: I sent him an email saying that my sister was

1494
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: coming to a show. He personally insisted on greeting her

1495
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 2: and her friends backstage, which of course made me cool

1496
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: in her eyes for five milliseconds.

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Speaker 3: The point, though, is that.

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Speaker 2: He's a nice guy and even nice to me, despite

1499
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: vast political differences, and because I want people to know

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: this is not out of malice at all. Instead, it's

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: to dwell on the area where I have always differed

1502
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: most from Hassan. Much of his political orientation and comedy

1503
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: focuses in on what I would say are the worst

1504
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: parts of America. It is rooted, I believe, and probably

1505
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 2: what was a genuinely traumatic experience that many Indian Americans

1506
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 2: like me had to go through post nine to eleven.

1507
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: We went, at least in our eyes, from a genuinely

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: post racial society where no one particularly cared where our

1509
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: parents were from, to a world where suddenly heritage with

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01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: suspect and kids, of course, would make ignorant or nasty comments.

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01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: This was not easy, to say the least, but the

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 2: response to it amongst many Indian Americans who have lived

1513
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: here has always troubled me. I have watched as many

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Speaker 2: of us, who, by going off of data alone, are

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01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: the richest people in the United States, begin cause playing

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 2: as victims and becoming obsessed with all the faults of

1517
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: the country. Many Indians, it seemed, who are the children

1518
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: of doctors or engineers, suddenly began using the language of

1519
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: black liberation, as if their experience was in any way

1520
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: comparable to the aftermath of chattel slavery and Jim Crow.

1521
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 2: The mind meld of modern liberalism has flattened the ability

1522
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: for these distinctions to even be made. Many in the

1523
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 2: American's wholesale have embraced the label of persons of color.

1524
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: They fixate on these unpleasant experiences to intellectually justify ideological

1525
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: taker of American institutions. Now, I'm letting this all out

1526
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 2: because it's important. It's a worldview of which America is awful,

1527
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: which the institution are rotten, unfair. It's a racial view

1528
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: almost entirely. And of course you can never quite be

1529
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: honest about why if it was so bad in the

1530
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: first place, all the parents would have fought so hard

1531
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: to come here. This is the backdrop that you need

1532
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: to dive into some of these shocking revelations from the

1533
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: New Yorker profile on Hassamanaje, which detail multiple incendiary falsehoods

1534
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 2: in his comedy. Now, let's be clear, I do not

1535
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: expect truth from a comedy set. Exaggeration, lies, all outright

1536
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: falsehoods are probably key elements. But as we go through

1537
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: and you see what I'm talking about, what was led

1538
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: about for what emphasis, You'll begin to see the problem.

1539
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: The story opens with two key parts of hassan stand

1540
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: up routine. The first is the story of a muscle

1541
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: bound white man who had infiltrated his mosque growing up

1542
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven as an alleged Muslim convert, and

1543
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: now would mess with the man to make him suspicious. Now,

1544
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: per his telling, years later, he was watching the news

1545
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: and the white man popped up on the news as

1546
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: an FBI informant. He follows it by playing then a

1547
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 2: clip of said man being revealed on the news. The

1548
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: second is about how a white powder substance was mailed

1549
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: to his home after doing a segment about Jamal Kashogi

1550
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: on his Netflix show, per Is telling the powder god

1551
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: onto his daughter and she was rushed to the hospital,

1552
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: where his wife then told him she would leave him

1553
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 2: if he ever put her children in danger again. But

1554
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: that's the kicker. Neither of these ever happened to him.

1555
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: The NYPD has no records of this incident with the

1556
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: white powder. The FBI agent who was referencing the clip

1557
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: shown to the audience apparently didn't even start working for

1558
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: the bureau until two thousand and six, four years after

1559
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 2: the period when Minaj said that it had happened to him.

1560
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: When the interviewer repressed him and said why in terms

1561
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: of the white powder story, why did you sigh that?

1562
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 2: On stage?

1563
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 3: He cited it as fact.

1564
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: Actually, though in multiple interviewers and whether he was manipulating

1565
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: his audience, Here's what he had to say, quote, I

1566
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: don't think I'm manipulating. I think they are coming for

1567
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 2: an emotional roller coaster ride. He adds that is grounded

1568
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 2: in truth and that what I'm ultimately trying to do

1569
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: is to highlight all of those stories. But what the

1570
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: interviewer really pegs it for what it is, Basically, you're

1571
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,560
Speaker 2: making things up as if they happened to you to

1572
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: try to emphasize a narrative of personal heroism and victimization.

1573
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: The next story, too, is just as bad. In his

1574
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 2: specially describes how he had a meeting with the Saudi

1575
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: embassy in an attempt to try and interview Crown Prince

1576
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: Mohammed bin Salman. Now, in his telling, his wife didn't

1577
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: want him to go, was prodding him to keep the

1578
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: Saudis because she was afraid of retaliation. He describes how

1579
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,560
Speaker 2: the Saudis threatened him during the meeting and how on

1580
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: his train ride back to New York he was getting

1581
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: a barrage of text messages asking if he was okay,

1582
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: because apparently, at that exact moment, the news had broken

1583
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 2: of Jamal Kashogi's murder, except as they found out quote,

1584
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: the eating hit the embassy happened a month before the

1585
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: Kashurdi murder. When asked about his response, quote, he had

1586
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: conflated the timelines as a story to telling device to

1587
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: make it feel the way that it felt. As one

1588
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: of his former employees put it to The New Yorker, quote,

1589
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: he totally presents himself as a person who is always

1590
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: taking down the despots and dictators of the world and

1591
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: speaking truth to power. Another who worked with him, I

1592
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 2: actually think was even more as Sue quote, most comic

1593
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: acts wouldn't pass a rigorous fact check. But if a

1594
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 2: show is built on sharing something personal that's not necessarily

1595
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 2: laugh out loud funny, the invention of important details could

1596
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: make an audience feel justifiably cheated. If he's lying about

1597
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 2: real people and real events, that's a problem.

1598
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 3: So much of the appeal of those stories is quote,

1599
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 3: this really happened.

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01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to end it there because I don't

1601
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 2: think it's a cut and dry situation. Comedy is supposed

1602
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 2: to speak emotional truths. But when those emotional truths are

1603
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 2: rooted in a punch line of this happen and is

1604
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 2: representative apparently of others experience, it does deserve to really

1605
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: be questioned now, especially in each case, fabrications were made

1606
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: to really emphasize narratives what a hero Minaje is, how

1607
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: awful America isn't always been for brown people. I'm gonna

1608
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: end with a fight from a few years back. It

1609
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 2: was a real rorschack test for how Indians in America

1610
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 2: process who we are a representation in pop culture. Indian

1611
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: comedian Hari Condelablu led a crusade against Apu from The Simpsons.

1612
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 2: He had a documentary that was called and blamed the

1613
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: character for perpetuating harmful stereotypes about Indians in America and

1614
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: blamed the character for a racial backlash. The character was

1615
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: then diminished on The Simptons with an implicit apology that

1616
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: it was bad. But as socialist Boscar Sankara and I

1617
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 2: actually spoke about at the time, what's so bad about Aphu?

1618
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: Aphu was both an emotionally developed character on The Simpsons.

1619
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 2: He represented what many who have come to this country

1620
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: have done. He cared about his family so much that

1621
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: he worked his ass off at a gas station. When

1622
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: he said thank you, come again, is because he wants

1623
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: those customers to come back. He wants to make his

1624
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: life work in a tough, tough business. As Boscar wrote

1625
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: in one episode quote after becoming a citizen ap who

1626
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: gets a letter summoning him to jury do he casually

1627
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: throws it in the waistbags. I cannot think of a

1628
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: better depiction of a person of color in media, neither

1629
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: an object of scorn nor fetishized, just trying to get

1630
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: by like everyone else. Anyway, I'm curious with Oscar.

1631
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: Colum was like, oh, it's awesome. We had him on

1632
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: at the time, and.

1633
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: If you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

1634
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints.

1635
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: Dot com, Crystal, what do you taking a look at?

1636
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: After being the first show to cross the writer's strike

1637
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: picket line and announce the return of her show, Drew

1638
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: Barrymore realized she knew exactly who the real victim in

1639
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: this situation is herself. She posted a weepy, rather pathetic

1640
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: video to Instagram attempting to explain the unexplainable why she

1641
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: threw her own writers and all the other writers, working

1642
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: people looking for a little bit of solidarity under the bus.

1643
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 15: There are so many reasons why this is so complex,

1644
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 15: and I just want everyone to know my intentions have

1645
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 15: never been in a place to upset or hurt anyone.

1646
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 15: It's not who I am. I've been through so many

1647
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 15: ups and downs in my life and this is one

1648
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 15: of them. I deeply apologize to writers. I deeply apologize

1649
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 15: to unions. I deeply apologize. I don't exactly know what

1650
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 15: to say, because sometimes when things are so tough, it's

1651
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 15: hard to make decisions from that place. There's a huge

1652
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 15: question of the why why am I doing this? Well,

1653
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 15: I certainly couldn't have expected this kind of attention, and.

1654
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 5: We aren't.

1655
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 15: Going to break roles and we will be in compliance.

1656
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 15: I wanted to do this because, as I said, this

1657
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 15: is bigger than me, and there are other people's jobs

1658
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 15: on the line, and since launching Live in a pandemic,

1659
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 15: I just wanted to make a show that was there

1660
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 15: for people in sensitive times.

1661
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: So you wanted to help people in sensitive times by

1662
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: screwing working people struggling in sensitive times, make it make

1663
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: sense now. They say that celebrities become frozen in time

1664
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: at whatever age they become famous. Drew was seven when

1665
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: she became a national sensation in et. That level of

1666
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: emotional maturity sounds about right now. After people reacted with

1667
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: what I can only imagine was universal revulsion at the

1668
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: sight of this wealthy celebrity having a public pity party

1669
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 1: over their own bad decision, Drew deleted the video, and

1670
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: now I actually have some good news to report. After

1671
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: widespread outrage, She's announced that she is reversing course, delaying

1672
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 1: the return of her show until the end of the strike.

1673
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, Drew. Big win for online shaming and an

1674
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: even bigger win for writers. But I'm to say, in

1675
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: some ways, the damage here has already been done. After

1676
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: Drew took the initial hit for being the first across

1677
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: the picket line, other shows quietly decided to do the same.

1678
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: The Talk The Jennifer Hudson Show said they are resuming

1679
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: production as well. As we covered last week, Bill Maher,

1680
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: who is himself a member of the Writers' Union, announced

1681
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: that Real Time would restart, albeit without the monologue and

1682
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: other scripted segments. Contrast this approach with that of other

1683
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: celebrities who've taken an actual stand in solidarity with their

1684
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: writers and show staffs. Yes, the content is very cringe,

1685
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: but Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, John Oliver, Seth Myers, and

1686
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert did launch a podcast with all proceeds going

1687
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that their striking staffs can hold the

1688
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: line and still make the rent. You see, when you're

1689
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: a wealthy celebrity, you do have other options available than

1690
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: becoming the Hollywood version of a union busting Pinkerton. Now,

1691
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: support for the strikers has come from another unlikely place

1692
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: as well, though, The California legislature. The state House and

1693
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: Senate just passed a law which would make striking workers

1694
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: eligible for unemployment insurance at a rate of four hundred

1695
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars per week. Now New York and Jersey

1696
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: workers already benefit from similar legislation, California could become the

1697
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: third state in the country to follow suit, but the

1698
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: ball is now in the hands of Governor Gavin Newsom,

1699
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: and it is far from certain that he will actually

1700
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: sign this bill into law. Newsom has been known to

1701
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: use his veto pen and has not been a one

1702
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent reliable front to labor. So we will be

1703
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: watching closely to see what he will actually do here,

1704
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: because the stakes could hardly be higher. Recall, Studio executives

1705
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: literally said directly they were going to use the threat

1706
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: of homelessness in famously unaffordable California to try to force

1707
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: writers to take whatever bad deal they are willing to

1708
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: give them. And a lot is on theline here too.

1709
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: Writers are trying to preserve the basics of a living

1710
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: in an era of streaming and in an era of

1711
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: chat GPT where tech is only going to become more

1712
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: of a threat to their livelihoods. They're also fighting really

1713
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: on behalf of human creativity at a time when we

1714
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: are in danger of having our humanity devoured and sold

1715
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: back to us by the oligarch's robots. If the state

1716
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: here could give them any kind of assist in their

1717
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: attempt to stay fed and house for the duration of

1718
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: the strike, that could be huge. In spite of the

1719
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: selfish narcissism of people like Drew Barrymore and the corporate

1720
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: greed of well literally every corporate CEO, striking workers actually

1721
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: have more of a shot at success now than perhaps

1722
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: ever in my lifetime. For the first time in generations,

1723
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: the legal landscape is starting to shift a little bit

1724
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: back towards more fairness for workers. We have, of course

1725
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: covered the federal progress made by the National Labor Relations Board,

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Speaker 1: but California is far from the only blue state that

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Speaker 1: has passed pro worker laws since the midterms. In Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic governor and one seat cent of majority has

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Speaker 1: perhaps gone the furthest comprehensive labor bill, including paid family

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Speaker 1: and medical leave, ban on noncompete clauses, ban on anti

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Speaker 1: union captive audience meetings, new protections for workers in dangers

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Speaker 1: in industries like Amazon warehouses and meat packing plants. Illinois

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Speaker 1: enshrined union rights in the state constitution, banning so called

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Speaker 1: right to work for the private sector, and also pass

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Speaker 1: forty hours of annual paid leave to be used by

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Speaker 1: workers for whatever they wish. And Michigan this year became

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Speaker 1: the first state in fifty eight years to repeal so

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Speaker 1: called right to work laws, anti union legislation which has

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Speaker 1: been pushed by Republicans to undercut labor. Now, this all

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Speaker 1: represents a tectonic shift in the typical trajectory of labor rights,

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Speaker 1: which for decades only trended in one direction, and that

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Speaker 1: was race to the bottom. And just as important here,

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Speaker 1: the public is on the side of these workers. According

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Speaker 1: to Gallup, americans back the striking writers over the studio

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Speaker 1: bosses by a margin of seventy two to nineteen. They

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Speaker 1: back the actors almost as strongly sixty seven to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: And they are strongly behind the autoworkers over the Big

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Speaker 1: three seventy five to nineteen. So if you are a

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Speaker 1: millionaire out there thinking of backing the bosses, crossing a

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Speaker 1: picket line, becoming a scab, take Drew Barrymore here as

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a cautionary tale, because this really

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Speaker 1: isn't complicated, comes down to one simple question, whose side

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Speaker 1: are you on? And I guess I'm heartened to see

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Speaker 1: that she did reverse core.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. That was a lot of fun.

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