1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: The volume. Nick Wright is about ready to stop on by. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: We got a million things to talk about. Go chop 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: it up for about an hour before he does. Download 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: the game Time app. It'll take you ninety seconds. Put 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: in the code. Grab your smartphone. Game Time app, take 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: you ninety seconds. Put in the code Colin. That's the 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: redeem code. That's me Coli in twenty bucks off your 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: first purchase. What's great about game Time is the prices 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: go down the closer you get to tip off or 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: first pitch or kickoff. A lot of times you get 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: these killer deals and you want to go to a game, 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: and you don't make up your mind until, like I've 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: done this ninety minutes before a game. You call it buddy, 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, I want to go to the Dodgers. 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: I got a ticket. You want to go to the Dodgers, 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: or you don't have a ticket, and you go to 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: the game Time app and get your tickets. It's just 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: so easy. Zone Deals takes the guessing out of tickets. 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: You show up, got your seats. Redeem code is Colin. 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: That's me Coli in easy stuff. Lowest price is guarantee, 21 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: last minute tickets. Makes it so easy spur the moment, 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: use the game time app, get in great tickets, zone deals, crushes. 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: All right, it's my buddy Nick. Right, We're gonna chop 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: it up for an hour. This is gonna be fun. 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: We disagree strongly on a couple of things. I think 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: he's gonna like one of my comps today. But let's 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: just start talking about me. Yes, Tom Brady, it's just start. 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: You know what can we I have a confession to 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: make and then you do whatever you want to do. 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: I did something wholly unprofessional today, the guy under the 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: guise of complimenting and congratulating my friend, which is the 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: moment Collin's show went to break. When I knew for 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: a fact he was within arms distance of Tom Brady 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: and I assumed all of our bosses. I made the 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: most opportunity mystic FaceTime call of my life. 36 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: It was they facetimed Colin because I knew he was 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: he was with Brady, and I'm like, this might be 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: my best chance, just because if I'm being honest, you 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: know you said you you know you had a few 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: cameos in one of Brady's documentaries. 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: I damn near deserve royalties for how often I was 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: suppered and saying, oh, the end is nigh, and then 43 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: he'd win a championship. And so I was hoping to 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: maybe be like, Hi, Tom, We'd love to have you 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: on the show sometime, but either way, glad you're a teammate. 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: And Colin graciously answered the call while he was basking 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: in the afterglow of thirty minutes with Tom. But I 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: didn't get that chance. But now go ahead, and that 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: I've made that confession, go ahead and say what you 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: know your. 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Day with no Well, what was? It was funny because 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: you know I I've said before the only time not 53 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: that I got nervous, but when I was doing Barack 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: Obama twice, I came in and really prepared, like if 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: he threw me a curveball, even political, like I preped 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: for that for two days. And with Brady, I didn't 57 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: feel I had to, but I knew the bosses would 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: be watching. So the day starts and all of a sudden, 59 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: I'm seeing management all over the studio. I'm like, guys, 60 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: I got this, don't forget to do and remember, and 61 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm like I started laughing at him. I'm like, you guys, 62 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: come down here for one reason you're firing me, or 63 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: I've got like somebody important on I've been doing. 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: This thirty years. I'm good. 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: It's Tom Brady, Tommy talks. 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: We're all good. 67 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: But it was funny to watch, you know, I mean, 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: because Brady's important for the company, and you know they 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: it's a big move. He's Tom Brady, it's Fox, it's 70 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, Greg Golsen was terrific, so you 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: want to make sure he's good. They'll I think they'll 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: both be great. But there's just a lot of things 73 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: going on here. So it was kind of a funny, 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: strangely tense day. But the great part about it is Tom, 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: for all that hovers around him, is just about as 76 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: normal as you're gonna get jeans, tennis shoes, you know, 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: just comes in, He's like, hey, it's great to meet you. 78 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: Just Tom's like a nice guy. He really you can 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: you know how you've met people before and you think 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: more they must have had good parents, sure, right, Like 81 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: you can tell he's just very very grounded. I mean, 82 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: everywhere Tom goes, people are reaching at him and he 83 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: just he's he just couldn't be more normal nice. 84 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: So here's so I I you know, my experience with 85 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: the interviews obviously exponentially different than yours. You're doing it, 86 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: I'm watching it, but my takeaway was different. And I 87 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: think that you and I both have enough credibility with 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: the audience built up to know like, we're not shills 89 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: for anybody, We're gonna be honest about what we think. 90 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: But I found myself edge of my seat is probably 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: touch too strong, but leaning in to every time he 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 2: was even coming close to breaking down how he thought 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: about football, and it made me really excited for how 94 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: he's gonna call games, because there is this school of 95 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: thought and Tom said it in in a kind of 96 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: a kind way, but a lot of people are there 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: is a school of thought among some people that think 98 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: the play by play in the color commentator is almost 99 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: an overstated importance job because people are watching the game. 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: People want to see the game, and I understand that 101 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: in a lot of instances, and a lot of instances 102 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: I think it doesn't matter who's calling the game. We're 103 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: watching the game. But I found myself just in this 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: interview being like, oh, I really want to learn about 105 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: how he processed and how his mind works when it 106 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: comes to playing the quarterback position and the stuff he 107 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: was saying about the how he would react to a 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: different defensive look, and the pregame prep that it took 109 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: all of that, and it made me super excited for 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: to hear him in real time, to watch a football 111 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: game and get to see because this is and now 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be self important, You're gonna laugh at me. 113 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: I think I really, I think I am an elite 114 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: football watcher. And by that I mean I think I 115 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: am top one percent in the world at watching a 116 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: game and noticing things like oh, I think that guy 117 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: might have just tweaked something. Oh I think they misspoted, 118 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 2: the all of it. And to be able to see 119 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: watch a game and that Tom's watching and commenting on 120 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: and see how many times like what he said, like 121 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: oh I was thinking something similar or I had that. 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: I'm really excited for it, like I am. I do 123 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: think it is a massive It is having you know 124 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: there we've at We had Magic Johnson call NBA games, 125 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: but it wasn't really his strength, like having someone like that, 126 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna add one other thing. I also think 127 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: a uniqueness of it is so much of his superpower 128 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: was his processing, so it's less about I was able 129 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: to do it because, like, I'll use Terry. I know 130 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: Terry doesn't call games. Anyone that's ever been a rheum 131 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: with Terry Bradshaw, it's like, oh, a lot of the 132 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: reason you're Terry Bradshaw is because I don't know how 133 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: old he is. But even at this age, you could 134 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: kick everybody's ass in this room, except for Howie Long. 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: Like you are a big, strong and you know the 136 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: But so much of Tom is I outthought, out prepared. 137 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: So I and I that came across in the thirty 138 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: minutes you spent with him. I was worried you were 139 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: going to take the interview into the first hour of 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: First things first. I didn't think you were ever going 141 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: to break. I was like, we might not be on 142 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: the air today. 143 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: Boys, Yeah, no, it's I kind of feel like this 144 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: sounds weird, But every time I interview Tom, I feel 145 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: it's a chapter. So I tried to stay today because 146 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna interview him several more times. I tried to 147 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: stay in his I talked a lot about process today 148 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: about broadcasting number one receivers offensive line, so I wanted 149 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: him to talk about process today as a season comes 150 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: upon us, it'll be more about the game the moment. 151 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: But I like today today all I thought about was 152 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: I want to I want to introduce Tom how he 153 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: thinks to the audience. This is a process day, and 154 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: he just tends to be the best processed athlete have 155 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: we have we've ever had. 156 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 157 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: So you know how you said you're a one percent 158 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: football watcher. Yeah. So football is such a collation aberration 159 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: sport that it is hard. That's why excellent gms can 160 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: struggle on quarterbacks, first round wide receivers, first round tight ends. 161 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever noticed the position that rarely 162 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: misses in the first round? It's guard center, because that's 163 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: if you have a weakness, you're protected. It's a strong unit. 164 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: But a quarterback, a wide receiver, you're often doing your 165 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: own thing, a corner And so in football, even though 166 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I love the sport, it is hard to project how 167 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: quarterbacks will work within the collaboration and the system. Are 168 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: they smart enough? Are they coachable? Are they defensive insecure? 169 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Are they confident but not cocky? I think in basketball, 170 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: though it's my second favorite sport to all footballs, I 171 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: am pretty accurate on something. Is that because it's an 172 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: more independent sport. I really pay attention to personality and 173 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: interviews and how you respond to questions. And a European 174 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: player just because the culture is different than a domestic player. 175 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: It's just different, the way they're taught, the way they 176 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: grow up. They drink wine, they smoke more often. You know, 177 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: it's a different culture. They tend to come in speaking 178 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: multiple languages. You know, the European Union, it's you're kind 179 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: of it's a collective, whereas in America it's the South 180 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: is different than the West, is different than the Northeast. 181 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: It's the French school system. There's a lot of there's different. 182 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: So I look at personalities and I've been right on 183 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot of players very early. Whereas I didn't buy Westbrook. 184 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: I was very much don't buy Intomelo as a winning 185 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: player or Derek Rose. 186 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: And the. 187 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Avalanche of criticism comes down that you don't know the sport, 188 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: you don't watch it. But I think personality matters more 189 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: in basketball because the individual matters so much more. It's 190 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: not as big a collective. The Celtics are very unique. 191 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: It's a collection more than it is a star. And 192 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: this is where you and I disagree with Luca. I 193 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: think you can coach people out of virtually anything except indifference, 194 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: and I believe he is such an offensive prodigy, he 195 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: is indifferent to defense and it will never be great. 196 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: Now now you say, well, well, Kobe became a very 197 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: good defensive player. Kobe's idol was Michael Jordan, who is 198 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: a great defensive player. So players that idolized Michael all 199 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: played defense. Most of them played the guys. The Kobe's 200 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Michael played defense. That was part of his aura was 201 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: he was a hard ass. Who is Luca? Who is 202 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: his idol? Who is his is? I think he has 203 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: much more in common with Melo that he is so 204 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: gifted offensively. Mellow was better than Lebron offensively from initially 205 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: he was just more better scorer that that. I'm not 206 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: sure that you'll ever convince Luca the defense man. 207 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: So here's so, here's where I'm gonna push back. So 208 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: Luca is on the record when he came into the 209 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: league that he grew up idolizing Lebron. Lebron is who 210 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: he modeled his game after. And you see it now. 211 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: He then signed with Jordan Brand and all of a sudden, 212 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: he's an mj Acolyte. It's amazing how that works out. 213 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: But one when when Luca was, you know, unsullied by endorsement, 214 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: he was a big Lebron guy. Now Luca is never 215 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: going to be the athlete Lebron is like that, I 216 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: I really And by the way, nobody is I am. 217 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: Anyone. 218 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: Hurlabab vulgaris who now owns a talk about the Golden Life. Man. 219 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: Guy was a professional gambler, greatest NBA better of all time, 220 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: made maybe a billion that's probably oversetting him, but close 221 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: to it in crypto from his gambling winnings. Bought a 222 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: Spanish soccer team and now they've moved up multiple divisions. 223 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: What a life. But he also helped run the MAVs 224 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: when they drafted Luca. Hralabab tweeted out a clip a 225 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: few days ago of twenty five year old Lebron James, 226 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: like a four minute clip of his blocks and dunks 227 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: and everything, like reminding everyone, like, guys, what this guy 228 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: was at his peak athleticism. It was just it was 229 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 2: un unfathomable and we haven't seen any like it since. 230 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Lebron is the only guarantee in American sports history. 231 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: Let's just do basketball football. Yeah that there is no 232 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: question that if he has chosen football, he would have 233 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: been a multiple time Pro Bowl Oh yeah, no question, 234 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: no question, not even debatable. He would have been one 235 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: of the best tight ends of all time. Let's stop 236 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: debating it. Six ' eight two fifty, fast, with great hands, envision, and. 237 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: Seemingly indestructible for fifteen for seventeen years. But okay, yeah, 238 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: so there are obviously things Lebron could do that Luca 239 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: never will be able to do because of the athleticism. 240 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: But stylistically they're very similar. As far as I'm gonna 241 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: have the ball in my hands, i am going to 242 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: control an offense. I will try to pick on people 243 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: in a pick and roll. I will spoon feed players 244 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: open threes and lob dunks like all of it. He's 245 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: not gonna be the defender Lebron was. There was a 246 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: five year period with Lebron was one of the every 247 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: year was top five defensive player the year voting and 248 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: I think twice or three times second place. It's not 249 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: gonna be that guy. My argument is he doesn't need 250 00:14:53,120 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: to be. Can't can can Luca be Steph Kerr? Defensively? Obviously, 251 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: Can he be Magic Johnson defensively? Obviously? Has he already 252 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: shown improvement for Romeros a few years ago? Yes, the 253 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: the so I think that. So here's what I think 254 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: about Luca. I think that his bad defensive moments are 255 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: so glaring and obvious because he's just not running down 256 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: the court. He is just standing there. He's angry, he's 257 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: and I also think every game he walks a fine 258 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: line between I Am going to get so enraged with 259 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: every fan, every ref that I end up playing my 260 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: best basketball and I'm going to get so enraged with 261 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: every fan, every ref that it takes me out of 262 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: my game and I'm like almost playing in protest. He's 263 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: got to mature in that regard. But the part of 264 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: the mellow thing that I the reason I pushed back 265 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: so much on that comp is, is that Luca already 266 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: has done more winning than Melo did. Luca made the 267 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: Melo made a conference finals once. Luca did that in 268 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: year four. Luca's already made an NBA finals. And he 269 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: is a willing passer of the ball and the guys 270 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: who and a guy who has people bring up Harden 271 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: because Harden was a willing passer of the ball the 272 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: hardon though every single year of his career got worse 273 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: than the playoffs, Luca, every year of his career except 274 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: for this one, his numbers have gotten better in the playoffs. 275 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: So I just think that there was there was never 276 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: a moment where Mello was credibly a consensus top three player. 277 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: Luca is right now, and so I just I disagree 278 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: with you on Luis. 279 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, by the way I've said, I think 280 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Luca is a much better Carmelo Anthony. By the way, 281 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: Michael was a better Kobe, not always much better, but better. 282 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: Kobe had better range. I thought Kobe was a really 283 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: clever passer when he decided to a very good ball handler. 284 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: Michael was a better Kobe. I think Luca is a 285 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: much better Carmelo. But there are traits and indifference to 286 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: certain things like being in shape, indeed so concerned. 287 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: Being in shape thing. He has to grow up on 288 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: that part. That part. So here's the deal. I think 289 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: that there is. I think it is very very difficult 290 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: for people who have succeeded at every step. I mean, 291 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: this guy's playing in the second biggest league in the 292 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: world at sixteen and one MVP of it, at eighteen, 293 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: like and won the championship at eighteen, not in some 294 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: small league, in the second best basketball league in the world, 295 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: to the NBA. He then gets to the NBA, wins 296 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year and then succeed succeeds carries a 297 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: team to conference finals. Last year they fail, but it 298 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: feels more about the team. Was weird that he and 299 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: Kyrie did in gel This year they make it all 300 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: the way to the finals, and yes he was banged up, 301 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: but he also knows he was a little out of gas. 302 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: I think it is very hard for any if anyone 303 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 2: has a bad habit that they are succeeding despite, I 304 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: don't think they ever kick it until that bad habit bites. 305 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: I said, yep, I've said before. The only way you 306 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: quit smoking is if your doctor says you're going. 307 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 2: To die right then. And there's a lot of people 308 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: who I'm gonna gain used we were using dark analogies. 309 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: There are a lot of people listening who were what 310 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: I I'm sure what I would call very regular tipsy drivers. 311 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: It was just I, you know, never didn't call cabs whatever. 312 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: He's like, oh my buddies, have a few drinks, drive home, 313 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: and did it hundreds of times and never were and 314 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: people were like, ah, you shouldn't drive and only stopped 315 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: because they got pulled over and they got a dui 316 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: like there is And again that's a dark analogy, but 317 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: the point is it is if someone says to you, 318 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: you've got to be in better shape, You've got to 319 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: be in better shape, and you're like, oh, really, because 320 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: I keep averaging thirty five points a game in the 321 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: playoffs and being first team All NBA. But this year 322 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: and this year, I know they made the finals, but 323 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: he did seem out of gas at times, and so 324 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: in order to be able to play one hundred game seasons, 325 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: which is what he's got to do, he does have 326 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: to be in better shape. That part's fair, and he 327 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: can't always be mad at the refs that part. But 328 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: I just think the reason I thought the focus on 329 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: the defense was overstated was that MAVs didn't lose this 330 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: finals because of the defense the MAVs. This craziest stat 331 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: of the NBA season is the worst five game stretch 332 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 2: Boston had all year as far as points scored, was 333 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. They didn't have another five game stretch 334 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: all year where they scored for killing and they killed 335 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: the bosson. The MAVs didn't lose because of their defense. 336 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: They lost because they couldn't score, which was because of 337 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: Boston's defense. It was mav It wasn't that Dallas's defense 338 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: was a problem. It was that Boston's defense was a 339 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: plus for four of those five games and strangled the 340 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: MAVs offense. 341 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw this at you. There's so many 342 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: bad actors on the internet. It's so bad, it's. 343 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: Sweet christ Man. Can I tell you what happened before 344 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: you even throw it at me? Because I don't think 345 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: people know what happened because there there's always been bad actors, 346 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: but it seems like out of nowhere it has gotten 347 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: way worse quickly. And I it so I have, I 348 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: think a very credible theory here. So remember how Elon 349 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: made it so you can get paid off your tweets. 350 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: So I don't think people really paid a lot of 351 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: attention to that because people were like, I'm not paying 352 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: for that eight dollars a month check mark whatever. But 353 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: so some of us a few months ago just got great, 354 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 2: like got the check mark. It's like you're a notable account. 355 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: We want you to have one whatever it is, So 356 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: I didn't. I just got it. I got a I 357 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: got a notification a week ago saying you earned eight 358 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: hundred and ten dollars last month. Huh so, and I 359 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: just tweet clips from the show and my. 360 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: Takes same here. 361 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: But because I got grandfathered into this program or whatever 362 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's monetization is available. So I guess if 363 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: I give them my bank account info, which I don't 364 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: know that I will do, but if I I have 365 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars from my tweets in May, okay, So 366 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: why am I to bring that up? That didn't used 367 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: to be a thing. It used to be you could 368 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: grow a following and then maybe sell ads whatever it is. 369 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: But now it is direct deposit into your account based 370 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: on interactions of your tweets. So now you have the 371 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: worst actors in America who are incentivized to say the 372 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: shittiest things or dishonest things, or like the totally harmless 373 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: version of it is. Oh man, people forget Peyton Pritchard 374 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 2: is a problem like saying things just to get dunked on, 375 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: like people said Steph Curry can't. But the worst version 376 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: of it is I am going to try to stoke 377 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: racial tension in America through this video that will go 378 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: viral because I'm literally going to make a thousand bucks 379 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: off it. So that's not Yeah, that's not a theory. 380 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: That's exactly what's happening. Yes, that that's not Listen, I'm 381 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: not you know me, I make fun of conspiracy theorists. 382 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: I have a theory on conspiracy theories that the as 383 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: the world get AI is just going to enhance this. 384 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: We're going to get more and more conspiracy theories because 385 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: there's been an explosion of them. Why because the fluidity 386 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: and the changes that technology are doing to our life, 387 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: and people want answers, and so when people don't have answers, 388 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: they lose their job. Inflation, people are seeking stability and 389 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: foundational truths and they don't have answers. So conspiracy theories 390 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: give people answers. Is their life gets more filled with anxiety. 391 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: Psychologists have talked about. 392 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: This technology is enhanced and dominates our society, you're going 393 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: to get a more conspiracy driven in. 394 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: This is not from conspiracy theory. This is what's now. 395 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: This is just yeah, this is what. So what's happening 396 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: is as AI is going to put a lot of 397 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: people out of work. Social media is going to become 398 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: a real income for a lot of people. I all, Bee, 399 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: as you know, I make a massive TV income, radio income, 400 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: volume income, DraftKings like, I don't need social media. There's 401 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: no value in it for me other than to. 402 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: Promote my companies, right exactly right, right right right, So 403 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: there's no I don't even care about it. 404 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me. But for a lot of 405 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: people that even successful people, they don't have a radio show, 406 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: a TV show, they make six figures on social media. 407 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: If I could make a thousand bucks in a month 408 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: by accident, right then I'm like, oh that, I was like, 409 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: so just think. I was like, what the average the 410 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: average income in this country is like around fifty I'm like, 411 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: so then, yeah, of course there are going to be 412 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 2: people out there that are just going to all and 413 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: what what do we know gets interaction and reaction because 414 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if you were taking this to Caitlin 415 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: and Angel, I don't know where you were taking this initially, 416 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: but what I know what we know will make waves 417 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: on Twitter in particular, is anything to doing with racial 418 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: tension or racial or they in either direction and I 419 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: just I see people tweeting out videos of clearly like 420 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: obvious like skits like old skits or scenes from an 421 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 2: old not Chappelle show, but something less famous, and presenting 422 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: it as if this was a real life thing that 423 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: happened purely because idiots will believe it. People who aren't 424 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: full blown idiots will think, oh, I'm going to dunk 425 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: on this person. Meanwhile, they're just like, I just made 426 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: forty bucks. I do ten of these in a day, 427 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: and I make more money than I was gonna make 428 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: up my job, and it is just flooded. They have 429 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: flooded the song with nonsense and bullshit. 430 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: By the way, there are people in our industry who 431 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: have credible jobs who are using YouTube to the same degree, 432 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: making thirty thousand dollars on a YouTube clip talking about 433 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: their sex, life, politics, all sorts of stuff. So it's 434 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: some point your soul can't your foundational belief system can't 435 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: be about the dollar sign like you have to care about. 436 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not lecturing you folks, do what you want 437 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: to do. But here's where I was going. Sorry I 438 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: took you, Oh no, don't be sorry. This is this 439 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: is why I do. A podcast is that there's so 440 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: many bad actors on the internet that will just dunk 441 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: on the NBA. They don't care. They got their money. 442 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: When I hear people criticize Howard Stern, Howard makes one 443 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million a year at sirius XM. Do 444 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: you think he gives a shit that he doesn't have 445 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: the water cooler currency. He's got a seventy to ninety 446 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: million dollar home on the beach. I've seen it in 447 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Boca ratone the highest. He's got the two highest real 448 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: estate properties in the East, the Hampton sag Harbor and 449 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: Boca Howard owns arguably the nicest home in both. He 450 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: doesn't give an f And people are like, Howard doesn't matter, 451 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. And I think about this, like the 452 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: NBA got the bag they're gonna get. They're doing basically 453 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: what the NFL did. They're going to get a fourth 454 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: network to arguably overpay for it. They don't care. The 455 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: ratings are up to the people who pay for the money. 456 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: That's up to NBCESBN, the owners in the league and 457 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: the players don't give us shit. Don't watch it, they 458 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: don't care. 459 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: So there were a lot of people highly invested in 460 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: the idea that any company that pays even just lip 461 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: service to the idea that you know, black folks spend 462 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: money to and gay folks spend money to that that 463 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: business model will fucking ruin them. And they even came 464 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: up with a super unique, original one hundred and fifty 465 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: iq slogan, go Meanwhile, we're at zero broke, We're at 466 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: zero Companies that previously were rolling that are now like, goddamn, 467 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: you know what, we put Black Lives Matter on the court, 468 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: and now no one will, nobody's going to games. And 469 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: they then try to twist themselves in knots and act 470 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: like that, oh they they're not doing it, or oh 471 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: it caught, No it didn't. There is I now again, 472 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: because I am not a bad faith actor, I will acknowledge. 473 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: I do think there was a time, and I do 474 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: think it hurt the ratings in multiple sports where people 475 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: felt there was too much, like we had overcorrected and 476 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: there was there was too much, whether you want to 477 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: call it politics, social justice, anything in our sports and 478 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: people got annoyed by it. I do think that happened, 479 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: but was presented as if it's going to be a 480 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: death knell when it was a paper cut and the 481 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: and it was the same folks that and I the 482 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: that when Nike uh signed Kaepernick, We're like, oh, check 483 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: out Nike's stock today, It's like, oh, can we get 484 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: an update on that? Hey, can we get a good 485 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: Did Nike all of a sudden in the last four 486 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: years start flying MAGA flags or are they still pretty 487 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: much as woke of a company as there is? I 488 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: think they are. I think they're doing just fine. And 489 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: and it is And this is where the people making 490 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: that those arguments were either bad faith actors or morons. 491 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: And I am that one. I'm comfortable with the the 492 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: people making the argument of the NBA is killing big 493 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: trup in big trumple like buddy, you could were the 494 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: ratings for this specific finals down? Yeah, in the midst 495 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: of it being down? Did they get seventy five billion dollars? 496 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: Did they triple their TV deal? Was it was? It? 497 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: Was it extortion? No, In fact, you have you have company, 498 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: you have major corporations who might end up making changes 499 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: at the top of the company because they screwed up 500 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: by not getting the NBA. So it was always bad faith. 501 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: It was just always bad faith actors that don't ever 502 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: that are very, very invested in the idea that everyone 503 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: thinks like them. That's the that is the that's the 504 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: So I'm aware like I and I try to be 505 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: self aware of it, and I try to be conscious 506 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: of it. I'm aware that a lot of people who 507 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: watched the TV show have very different politics than I do, 508 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: which is why I think I keep it out of 509 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: it almost entirely. As I've said to you before, I 510 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: don't think talking about race is talking politics, so I 511 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: will talk race, So I'm talking any politics on when 512 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: you and I are talking, even though I understand there 513 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: are people listening that have very different politics to me, 514 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know what you are opting into 515 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: a Nick Wright Colin Cowhard conversation. I am going to 516 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: respect that and give you my true, authentic thoughts on everything, 517 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: and hope we can understand that even if we disagree, 518 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: we can you know, agree on other certain things. But 519 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: I know that how I feel is not how the 520 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: whole world feels. There is a segment of the population 521 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: that is really invested in trying to convince people that 522 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: eighty percent of the country plus agrees with them, and 523 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: this tiny minority that doesn't. Somehow oddly weirdly controls everything, 524 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: controls all these major corporations in the sports leagues, the media, everything, 525 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: And it's like, no, I just think Target has like 526 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: done the market research. It's like, hey, we're gonna sell 527 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: more T shirts if people think we're nice. Like, I 528 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: don't think it's they're trying to do some social engineering. 529 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: I think they're trying to sell as many things as possible. 530 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: And so that's yeah, that's my answer. 531 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: Listen, even left leaning, I would say Saturday Night Live 532 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: tends to lean more left than right. They've made fun 533 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: of woke. Bill Maher's made fun of woke, like there 534 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: are things that God that go too far? 535 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 2: Is that, you know. 536 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: My theory on America is that in the end, the 537 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: more change you have in technology and the more change 538 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: you have in the culture, the more people want a 539 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly sandwich, macaroni and cheese and hang 540 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: out with their dog. We seek simplicity as the world 541 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: gets more complex. So I think, to me, one of 542 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: the things I think about constantly on my show is 543 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: simplifying complicated things. Is that people are on right, Like 544 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: that's literally what I think about. You know, whatever you 545 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: think about I think about that constantly. 546 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: Which is why, which is a very smart way to 547 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: go about it. But so that's where so I have, 548 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: I hope the self awareness and the honesty to be 549 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: able to be like, yeah, there are things that people 550 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 2: that are in my political tribe, if you will, that 551 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: they say or espouse that. I'm like, yeah, I actually 552 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not with that, like like it doesn't kill me, 553 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: but I you know, it's not where I would go 554 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 2: what I what I feel like fundamentally though, most people, 555 00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: most people are more bothered by people that intentionally err 556 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 2: on the side of mean then people that go out 557 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: of their way to be nice, even if the way 558 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: they're going out of their way to be nice, it's like, okay, 559 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: that's a little much, you know what I mean, like 560 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: and and that's to me, that's why so I that 561 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: that's why so much of the so much of the 562 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: complaints about the NBA stuff was to me, people telling 563 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: on themselves where I'm like, you're really are you You're 564 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: writing on Twitter you saw end racism on the baseline 565 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 2: where there used to be a YouTube TV ad and 566 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: now you're like I'm turning the game off, like shut up, 567 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: like it was if it was if at halftime of 568 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: the game, you know, Jason Tatum came out, was like, 569 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: now I want to, you know, give you a history 570 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 2: lesson about this. That'd be one thing. But I'm like, 571 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: I just think you are. You are bothered by an 572 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: idea that you can't quite explain, and it pisses you off. 573 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: You don't know why, And I think the smartest corporations 574 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: and companies have been like, ah, that's actually just a 575 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: loud contingent on the Internet, and the majority of people 576 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 2: are either support us or like, eh, not my thing, 577 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: but not enough for me to change the channel, or 578 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: not enough for me to drive to the store down 579 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: the street when this one, you know, oh they're flying 580 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: a Pride flag. Okay, well I actually they also have 581 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 2: the cheapest diapers, so I just think I'm gonna go there, 582 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: Like it's just so stupid the volume. 583 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick. 584 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: Don't forget the check back for part two.