Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
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Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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Speaker 1: rain Drives Today's episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Sure, I can recap episodes here and there, and we
Speaker 1: can have a good key key about it, Darling, But
Speaker 1: the beauty of Reality with the King, with me being
Speaker 1: a producer in this business, is I like to go
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper when it comes to the.
Speaker 2: Psyche of our favorite reality stars.
Speaker 1: So in this episode, we gotta do a deep dive
Speaker 1: into Billy Hills.
Speaker 2: The Realhouse Boss at.
Speaker 1: Billy Hills is a show that I think we really
Speaker 1: need to do a deep dive into the psyche of
Speaker 1: these women, the women in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the Mauricio Morgan.
Speaker 1: Wade and Kyle Trifecta and I have a very special
Speaker 1: guest to break in on down Now listen here, rain Drops.
Speaker 1: She needs no introduction, but I'll do it anyway. Her
Speaker 1: name is Annie Elise and she's the creator of the
Speaker 1: true crime YouTube channel, tent to Life and the Cereal
Speaker 1: Sleep cerial Lesslie. Look, I'm saying it wrong because it's
Speaker 1: so it's like a talk twister, but it's cereal and
Speaker 1: all caps lessly podcasts and honey, she is super smart,
Speaker 1: super dynamic, and I'm so happy she gets to join
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 2: So rain Drop give a war Welcome to any elits.
Speaker 3: Hi, thank you so much for having me. That was
Speaker 3: such a good, like heype man intro, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That was great. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1: So before we get started, explain to my rain drops
Speaker 1: who are living under rock who may not know of
Speaker 1: your podcast. Explain to those very few people what you'll
Speaker 1: podcast is about what they can't expect from it and
Speaker 1: how they can find, subscribe and like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically, my podcast, Cereal Leslie is a true
Speaker 3: crime podcast. But when I created it, I felt like
Speaker 3: there was kind of this void in the space of
Speaker 3: hearing about these cases for people who are interested in
Speaker 3: true crime. In more of a non sterile, non clinical
Speaker 3: way almost where if you've ever watched a Dateline episode
Speaker 3: and you're just talking with your friend or for me
Speaker 3: it was always my sister, and you're recapping the case,
Speaker 3: you want to talk about the red flags, you go
Speaker 3: on the social media deep dive all of these things,
Speaker 3: and I never really could find anything where somebody would
Speaker 3: deliver it in that kind of way. So that's why
Speaker 3: I created Cereal Lessly, and so it's more just a casual,
Speaker 3: conversational type of way delivering a deep dive into a case.
Speaker 3: I go to the trenches of hell when I am researching,
Speaker 3: I'm like in the Reddit threads, I'm getting the Foyer requests,
Speaker 3: I'm doing the body cam. So it's like I pride
Speaker 3: myself on giving a full deep dive into whatever I'm
Speaker 3: talking about, and again just kind of doing it in
Speaker 3: a way where we can call things like they are,
Speaker 3: call out the red flags, call out the shady stuff
Speaker 3: that they were posting on social media, and just talk
Speaker 3: about it like we're friends.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts when it comes to this, Kyle
Speaker 1: Morgan Way, Maurice col Trifecta in terms of.
Speaker 2: Is there.
Speaker 1: Is there steaks happening financially, and by steaks, I mean
Speaker 1: they clearly don't have any money problems. You know that, thankfully,
Speaker 1: that's not one problem that I think that household has, right,
Speaker 1: But more money more problems. Right. So we know that
Speaker 1: the agency is a multi gazillion dollar agency, and we
Speaker 1: know that Kyle and Marisio both got their real estate
Speaker 1: license together. He left the Hilton Group, started his own
Speaker 1: agency and now has a mass millions, So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of money at stake here. Again, we're talking about
Speaker 1: the nine to two and zero and we're talking about
Speaker 1: the psyche of that particular zip code. Do you think
Speaker 1: that when it comes to this very carefully crafted storyline
Speaker 1: with the Umanskis and morgan is a lot of it
Speaker 1: has to do with the protection of assets, the protection
Speaker 1: of reputation of these both titans. And that's why we
Speaker 1: as an audience are not getting delivered any sort of
Speaker 1: real understanding of what went wrong in their twenty plus
Speaker 1: year marriage.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent. Just as you had said earlier that
Speaker 3: sometimes with divorce and marriage it's transactional, it's financial, especially
Speaker 3: here in the LA and Orange County area. The same
Speaker 3: goes for when you are married and whether you're getting
Speaker 3: married for financial benefit or divorcing. And it's my belief
Speaker 3: the reason they have not divorced yet is one thousand
Speaker 3: percent related to the assets. I don't know. I would
Speaker 3: imagine that they're smart enough and have gone through enough
Speaker 3: together that even if they didn't have a prenup when
Speaker 3: they got married, I would imagine there's a post nup
Speaker 3: in place. I would just assume that maybe not. I
Speaker 3: could be wrong, but my thoughts on the whole Kyle, Morgan,
Speaker 3: Mauricio of it all, I definitely think that there has
Speaker 3: been strained in the marriage for years. Whether that means
Speaker 3: Mauricio has truly been stepping out on her for years
Speaker 3: or something else. I think they have been growing apart.
Speaker 3: And again it's one of those things, similar to Dewri
Speaker 3: and PK, where you start getting older and your lives change.
Speaker 3: You just go through different cycles of life, and I
Speaker 3: think they started to outgrow each other at that same point.
Speaker 3: I think that's when Kyle really started confiding in Morgan,
Speaker 3: having this friendship with her, and I believe it's my
Speaker 3: belief that there is something more there, or was something more.
Speaker 3: I truly believe that because based even not even on
Speaker 3: the rumors, but the chemistry that you see on TV
Speaker 3: between the two of them, like when they were in
Speaker 3: that tattoo shop together, when Morgan came to that event
Speaker 3: that Kyle hosted, and when Morico wasn't even there when
Speaker 3: it was for her friend who had taken her own life,
Speaker 3: and you can just see the physical chemistry, the emotional
Speaker 3: chemistry and how Kyle lights up when Morgan's around. Now,
Speaker 3: whether they ever acted on that physically, who knows. It's
Speaker 3: my guess there probably was some degree of something. But
Speaker 3: I think to your point, aside from just financials, it's
Speaker 3: about reputation and there's a lot of things at stake here.
Speaker 2: As we know.
Speaker 3: The climate of the world is not in a great
Speaker 3: condition right now, and Kyle is a public facing person.
Speaker 3: And while hopefully the majority of people wouldn't care at
Speaker 3: all if she was in a same sex relationship or
Speaker 3: having that, No, who cares right Hello, it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: But I could see where if there are people that
Speaker 3: Mauricio deals with who are maybe more conservative, or if
Speaker 3: there's some reason that she's protecting this. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's because of her daughters, because she's trying to say
Speaker 3: that there's a possibility that they may become a family
Speaker 3: again and reunite. Because the kids are grown, they know
Speaker 3: that that's not happening. They also see this stuff in
Speaker 3: the magazines with Mauricio and his girlfriend, like they know
Speaker 3: that's not the reality. So there's something else. And I
Speaker 3: don't think it's shame or embarrassment either. We've seen way
Speaker 3: worse from all the house. Whis probably even Kyle included,
Speaker 3: Like there's some other reason she's trying to protect that.
Speaker 3: And in this latest episode, she said something that I
Speaker 3: thought was really interesting. At the dinner, She's like, maybe
Speaker 3: one day I will have a story to tell, maybe
Speaker 3: I will have something to share. And I thought that
Speaker 3: was telling because I was like, ugh, I kind of
Speaker 3: clocked that as that's a tell you're right now. To me,
Speaker 3: I'm saying that as you're admitting that there is something
Speaker 3: but that you're not ready to share yet, and that
Speaker 3: maybe one day you will be, maybe not on camera,
Speaker 3: maybe not for public consumption. But I think that divide
Speaker 3: started happening, but I think the Mauricio and Kyle divide
Speaker 3: began way before that, and now I think it's just
Speaker 3: they're best friends. They grew up together. They have a
Speaker 3: beautiful family together. It's hard to walk away from that
Speaker 3: and wonder what you're going to do the back half
Speaker 3: of your life. And if there's financials involved, it makes
Speaker 3: it so much more messy. So it's almost like they
Speaker 3: don't want to rip the band aid. Let's just continue
Speaker 3: in this like purgatory of whatever it is and hope
Speaker 3: that we figure out what we want to do.
Speaker 1: No, spot on, we are just getting started. This is
Speaker 1: reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
Speaker 1: back into the show. I have updates for you.
Speaker 2: Annie. You're ready for this, sister.
Speaker 3: Oh I let me get a drink of this Stanley
Speaker 3: and hit me.
Speaker 1: All right, So listen up, Annie and the rain Drops.
Speaker 1: Kyle and Mauricio did not have a prenuptial agreement when
Speaker 1: they married in nineteen ninety six. More Annie, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: But they got a post shut up.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, guess what. Kyle has stated
Speaker 1: that they built everything together in their empire, and they
Speaker 1: accumulated their wealth journey together. Kyle has indicated that if
Speaker 1: they were to divorce, they would divide their assets evenly.
Speaker 1: Kyle has stated that Mauricio did not have much money
Speaker 1: when they married, and that the money they.
Speaker 2: Have now is our money. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, before I get your response, I want to also
Speaker 1: read you this, okay. Mauricio co founded the agency in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. The agency has over seventy offices across the
Speaker 1: United States, Canada, Mexico, the Netherlands, Tarzan Cacos, the Dominican Republic,
Speaker 1: the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: But Annie, there's more.
Speaker 1: The agency has a global sales volume of fifty seven
Speaker 1: zero point four billion dollars since its founding, with Mauricio's
Speaker 1: networth allegedly being estimated to have a net worth of
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. Now you live in the state
Speaker 1: of California. Is this true in the state of California?
Speaker 2: If you get.
Speaker 1: Married with no prenup and you've been married since twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: this case that Umanski, So that is fourteen years.
Speaker 3: Wait, they've been merry longer than that. They had to
Speaker 3: have been, right, I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm lying, I'm lying.
Speaker 1: The agency was found in twenty eleven. I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: they got married nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: My bad, my bad, my bad.
Speaker 1: Soot fifteen years I know, that's almost like thirty years
Speaker 1: right in the Sanate of California with no prenup.
Speaker 2: Are you entitled to at least have.
Speaker 3: To my knowledge, yes, I think that there's certain stipulations
Speaker 3: that come into play, where, of course then it's like
Speaker 3: you have alimony, spousal support, child support, things like that.
Speaker 3: But to my knowledge anything, it's an equal state. So
Speaker 3: once you divorce anything that any shared assets assets are
Speaker 3: split fifty to fifty. Now, with that amount of wealth,
Speaker 3: you would think that even if they're splitting fifty to fifty,
Speaker 3: they're both fine. My wonder is, and I'm just kind
Speaker 3: of going off here. I could be wrong, but Kathy
Speaker 3: has alluded to certain financial struggles that Mauricio's face. I
Speaker 3: think she also did allude to the fact that some
Speaker 3: of these agencies aren't independently owned by him, but rather franchised,
Speaker 3: so that although he says the agency has over seventy locations,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, but they're not really all unbrellaed under you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not, but she
Speaker 3: has alluded to there being some financial distress. So even
Speaker 3: if call it one hundred million and they each get
Speaker 3: fifty million, is there a reason why they're not doing that,
Speaker 3: because in order to sustain the business or to do
Speaker 3: whatever he's doing on the back end, does he need
Speaker 3: access to more than that? Like, That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3: Is there still a reason even though that is a
Speaker 3: huge number and a lot of money, there must be
Speaker 3: something else why they're not just calling it and divorcing.
Speaker 3: I think is more business and transactional. But that's just
Speaker 3: my opinion.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money a stake here.
Speaker 1: Now, Listen, we all can live off of fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars each, right, it's nothing to sneeze at. But I
Speaker 1: just believe that at the end of the day, and
Speaker 1: we're kind of seeing this a little bit with something
Speaker 1: who gets three hundred and fifty thousand dollars per month
Speaker 1: from her ex husband, who you know, some people argue
Speaker 1: that Sutton helped her ex husband build this company, which
Speaker 1: we have heard from the ex husband, so we don't know.
Speaker 2: But so I digress.
Speaker 1: But there seems to be a power play here because
Speaker 1: if you got married in nineteen ninety six and you
Speaker 1: both got your real estate license together, and your first
Speaker 1: job out of real estate school, if you will, is
Speaker 1: working for your wife's brother in law. The Hilton group
Speaker 1: is nothing to sneeze at.
Speaker 2: You then, so think about it.
Speaker 1: Your foray into real estate, if I'm Kyle, your forray
Speaker 1: to real estate is at the hands of my family
Speaker 1: member mine. And because of this apprenticeship and job or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it for the many years
Speaker 1: you were there, you took that knowledge from my family
Speaker 1: member right to start your own agency.
Speaker 2: And then what was fascinating is this.
Speaker 1: So let me give you guys a little quick history
Speaker 1: of this, right because I want to put two and
Speaker 1: two together here, just toe see it. We're able to
Speaker 1: sort of like have a great understanding of why all
Speaker 1: of this is happening. Okay, So with that being said,
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, it's when the agency started.
Speaker 2: But this the gag Annie.
Speaker 1: The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills started a year before that. Kyle, ooh,
Speaker 1: come on, investigative journalism.
Speaker 3: Kyle, go ahead, No no, no, keep going, keep going. I've
Speaker 3: been taking it all in.
Speaker 1: Kyle appeared on season one of the house Spots of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills in twenty ten. The show debut because I'm
Speaker 1: a journalist, Hey, Portia. The show premiered October fourteenth, two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten. In two thousand and eleven, a year later, Mauricio.
Speaker 2: Starts the agency.
Speaker 1: The reason why this matters to me is because the
Speaker 1: visibility of being on this huge show provides a lot
Speaker 1: of new clients, a lot of notoriety, and it kind
Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2: Any but that revelation, girlfriend, what did you think about
Speaker 2: all of that?
Speaker 3: I would like to know what the financials look like
Speaker 3: between ninety six and twenty eleven, because I feel like,
Speaker 3: on one hand, you could argue, Okay, maybe he's making
Speaker 3: this power play saying, you know what, you were at home,
Speaker 3: you raise the kids. I'm the one who built this.
Speaker 3: I'm the one who built this multi million dollar empire
Speaker 3: that we're on, not taking into consideration the platform that
Speaker 3: Housewives gave it. Because let's be honest, nobody heard about
Speaker 3: agency really unless they saw it on Housewives first, right,
Speaker 3: or a lot of people. So I could see where
Speaker 3: he's like, I'm the one who created this, even though
Speaker 3: you stayed home with the kids. But then I could
Speaker 3: see her argument of like, well, yeah, well, you won't
Speaker 3: even have this inside knowledge or these connections if it
Speaker 3: wasn't for my family. So like We're not like, go
Speaker 3: to hell, that's not happening, you know. And then to
Speaker 3: your point, I remember there was like a lot of
Speaker 3: friction and bad blood with the Hiltons too, because he
Speaker 3: left them and started his own thing. Which is very
Speaker 3: interesting that it was one year after Housewives, because that
Speaker 3: does seem very intentional to then be able to use
Speaker 3: that platform to catapult to success, which he so clearly
Speaker 3: did successfully. So I could see where maybe then there's
Speaker 3: a good argument on both sides, Like he's the one
Speaker 3: who's saying I started the agency in twenty eleven, I
Speaker 3: built it to where it is. Even though she was
Speaker 3: on Housewives at that point, she still was home with
Speaker 3: the kids they were really young. So he could argue,
Speaker 3: which I'm very much of the mindset of, if you're
Speaker 3: a stay at home mom, but that is equal, if
Speaker 3: not a harder job than a corporate job. I mean,
Speaker 3: it is not for the faint of heart. I'm not
Speaker 3: built to be a stay at home mom. I like
Speaker 3: give accolades to anybody who is and so, but I
Speaker 3: don't think men understand that. I think men see it
Speaker 3: as I'm taking care of the family financially. All you're
Speaker 3: doing is the laundry and putting dinner on the table,
Speaker 3: not realizing the emotional and mental and everything that goes
Speaker 3: into it. And so I could see that being an argument,
Speaker 3: but then her of course combating that, being like, well,
Speaker 3: first of all, my family is the one that gave
Speaker 3: you the contacts and the knowledge. My platform is the
Speaker 3: one that put you into spotlight. So no, we're not
Speaker 3: doing that. Maybe And I again, though, I think it's
Speaker 3: all rooted and why they're not divorcing the financials. There's
Speaker 3: no other reason. You're not sleeping together, you're not living together,
Speaker 3: you're sleeping with other people. Why wouldn't you divorce unless
Speaker 3: it's business, unless it's something on paper. And I think
Speaker 3: if they don't have a printup, that makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense.
Speaker 2: Ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 1: So any Elise and Carlos King, we have cracked the
Speaker 1: code of mist.
Speaker 3: They file for a divorce. You know that we're going
Speaker 3: to get our hands on those transcripts. I want that degree.
Speaker 3: I want to go through everything I want. I'm nosy,
Speaker 3: I want to know it all.
Speaker 1: You have to come back to decipher the core filings
Speaker 1: of the divorce because it is going to be a
Speaker 1: a a breakdown and showdown of assets of the assets
Speaker 1: because again, the reason why I wanted to bring this
Speaker 1: up to you is because the state of California is
Speaker 1: ran very differently than a lot of states when it
Speaker 1: comes to the divorce of a of a married couple,
Speaker 1: especially one where to your point, Annie, both parties arguably
Speaker 1: are successful.
Speaker 2: In their own right.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the assets and the monetary
Speaker 1: value of each person's life before a Housewives came into
Speaker 1: play in twenty ten, and then a year later he
Speaker 1: starts his agency, leaves the Hilton Group, and now has
Speaker 1: built this five point seven four billion dollar empire. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of money at Steak in terms of like
Speaker 1: professional assets. When you also think about the four children
Speaker 1: they have. The first one obviously Kyle got from a
Speaker 1: previous relationship, but there's a lot of money at Steak.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of families where we have to figure
Speaker 1: out who gets what. And I think they have to
Speaker 1: protect each other's reputation because if Mauricio did allegedly, allegedly
Speaker 1: allegedly cheat on Kyle first, then she has the upper
Speaker 1: hand in terms of what she's allowed to get.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and not for public consumption too. I mean
Speaker 3: if they divorce and it gets messy, all of the
Speaker 3: dirty laundry is going to be aired, and I don't
Speaker 3: think they want that. And so it's almost like, better
Speaker 3: keep your enemy closer in that sense of it's better
Speaker 3: to not tarnish either of our reputations. Let's figure this out.
Speaker 3: Let's just kind of keep the status quo, because to
Speaker 3: your points, like the moment that stuff gets out there,
Speaker 3: it gets really messy. And even though the Hilton Group
Speaker 3: is acting on its own, separate from the agency right now,
Speaker 3: I would imagine there are still family ties. Once that
Speaker 3: divorce happens, it could be war, not only business to business.
Speaker 3: But it's just like you're bringing in a whole new
Speaker 3: element of distress and division. And so it's almost like
Speaker 3: and I get it, Like I get it. You maybe
Speaker 3: wanted to stay married, keep the peace. She can have
Speaker 3: her life with whoever she wants, whether that's Morgan or
Speaker 3: somebody else. He can have his life doing whatever. And
Speaker 3: you have enough money that you can still share a
Speaker 3: bank account and everybody's happy. Fine, maybe that works for you,
Speaker 3: It works for a lot of people out in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: you know. So we'll see if they ever even end
Speaker 3: up divorcing.
Speaker 2: Well, Annie, you have to come back on Reality with
Speaker 2: the King.
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