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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Watch Hey,

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Speaker 1: rain Drives Today's episode of Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I can recap episodes here and there, and we

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Speaker 1: can have a good key key about it, Darling, But

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Speaker 1: the beauty of Reality with the King, with me being

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Speaker 1: a producer in this business, is I like to go

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Speaker 1: a little bit deeper when it comes to the.

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Speaker 2: Psyche of our favorite reality stars.

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Speaker 1: So in this episode, we gotta do a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into Billy Hills.

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Speaker 2: The Realhouse Boss at.

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Speaker 1: Billy Hills is a show that I think we really

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Speaker 1: need to do a deep dive into the psyche of

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Speaker 1: these women, the women in Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to the Mauricio Morgan.

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Speaker 1: Wade and Kyle Trifecta and I have a very special

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Speaker 1: She needs no introduction, but I'll do it anyway. Her

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Speaker 1: name is Annie Elise and she's the creator of the

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Speaker 1: true crime YouTube channel, tent to Life and the Cereal

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Speaker 1: Sleep cerial Lesslie. Look, I'm saying it wrong because it's

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Speaker 1: so it's like a talk twister, but it's cereal and

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Speaker 1: all caps lessly podcasts and honey, she is super smart,

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Speaker 1: super dynamic, and I'm so happy she gets to join

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Speaker 1: this podcast.

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Speaker 2: So rain Drop give a war Welcome to any elits.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thank you so much for having me. That was

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Speaker 3: such a good, like heype man intro, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That was great. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: So before we get started, explain to my rain drops

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Speaker 1: who are living under rock who may not know of

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Explain to those very few people what you'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So basically, my podcast, Cereal Leslie is a true

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Speaker 3: crime podcast. But when I created it, I felt like

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Speaker 3: there was kind of this void in the space of

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Speaker 3: hearing about these cases for people who are interested in

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Speaker 3: true crime. In more of a non sterile, non clinical

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Speaker 3: way almost where if you've ever watched a Dateline episode

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Speaker 3: and you're just talking with your friend or for me

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Speaker 3: it was always my sister, and you're recapping the case,

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Speaker 3: you want to talk about the red flags, you go

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Speaker 3: on the social media deep dive all of these things,

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Speaker 3: and I never really could find anything where somebody would

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Speaker 3: deliver it in that kind of way. So that's why

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Speaker 3: I created Cereal Lessly, and so it's more just a casual,

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Speaker 3: conversational type of way delivering a deep dive into a case.

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Speaker 3: I go to the trenches of hell when I am researching,

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Speaker 3: I'm like in the Reddit threads, I'm getting the Foyer requests,

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Speaker 3: talking about, and again just kind of doing it in

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Speaker 3: a way where we can call things like they are,

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Speaker 3: call out the red flags, call out the shady stuff

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts when it comes to this, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Morgan Way, Maurice col Trifecta in terms of.

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Speaker 1: Is there steaks happening financially, and by steaks, I mean

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Speaker 1: they clearly don't have any money problems. You know that, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: that's not one problem that I think that household has, right,

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Speaker 1: But more money more problems. Right. So we know that

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Speaker 3: One thousand percent. Just as you had said earlier that

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Speaker 3: And again it's one of those things, similar to Dewri

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Speaker 3: I think that's when Kyle really started confiding in Morgan,

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Speaker 3: I truly believe that because based even not even on

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Speaker 3: and you can just see the physical chemistry, the emotional

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Speaker 3: whether they ever acted on that physically, who knows. It's

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Speaker 3: my guess there probably was some degree of something. But

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Speaker 2: As we know.

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Speaker 3: The climate of the world is not in a great

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Speaker 3: And while hopefully the majority of people wouldn't care at

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Speaker 3: having that, No, who cares right Hello, it's twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: But I could see where if there are people that

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Speaker 3: that that's not happening. They also see this stuff in

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Speaker 3: that's not the reality. So there's something else. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's shame or embarrassment either. We've seen way

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Speaker 3: worse from all the house. Whis probably even Kyle included,

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Speaker 3: Like there's some other reason she's trying to protect that.

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Speaker 3: And in this latest episode, she said something that I

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that as you're admitting that there is something

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Speaker 3: maybe not for public consumption. But I think that divide

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Speaker 3: they're best friends. They grew up together. They have a

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Speaker 3: beautiful family together. It's hard to walk away from that

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Speaker 3: and wonder what you're going to do the back half

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Speaker 3: of your life. And if there's financials involved, it makes

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Speaker 3: it so much more messy. So it's almost like they

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Speaker 3: don't want to rip the band aid. Let's just continue

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Speaker 3: in this like purgatory of whatever it is and hope

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Speaker 1: No, spot on, we are just getting started. This is

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Speaker 1: reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get

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Speaker 1: back into the show. I have updates for you.

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Speaker 2: Annie. You're ready for this, sister.

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Speaker 3: Oh I let me get a drink of this Stanley

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Speaker 1: All right, So listen up, Annie and the rain Drops.

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Speaker 1: Kyle and Mauricio did not have a prenuptial agreement when

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Speaker 1: they married in nineteen ninety six. More Annie, Okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: But they got a post shut up.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, guess what. Kyle has stated

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Speaker 1: that they built everything together in their empire, and they

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Speaker 1: they were to divorce, they would divide their assets evenly.

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Speaker 1: Kyle has stated that Mauricio did not have much money

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Speaker 1: when they married, and that the money they.

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Speaker 2: Have now is our money. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, before I get your response, I want to also

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Speaker 1: read you this, okay. Mauricio co founded the agency in

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven. The agency has over seventy offices across the

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Speaker 1: United States, Canada, Mexico, the Netherlands, Tarzan Cacos, the Dominican Republic,

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Speaker 2: But Annie, there's more.

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Speaker 1: The agency has a global sales volume of fifty seven

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Speaker 1: zero point four billion dollars since its founding, with Mauricio's

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. Now you live in the state

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Speaker 1: Married with no prenup and you've been married since twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: this case that Umanski, So that is fourteen years.

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Speaker 3: Wait, they've been merry longer than that. They had to

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Speaker 2: I'm lying, I'm lying.

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Speaker 1: The agency was found in twenty eleven. I'm so sorry

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Speaker 1: they got married nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Soot fifteen years I know, that's almost like thirty years

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Speaker 1: right in the Sanate of California with no prenup.

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Speaker 2: Are you entitled to at least have.

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Speaker 3: To my knowledge, yes, I think that there's certain stipulations

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Speaker 3: But to my knowledge anything, it's an equal state. So

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Speaker 3: once you divorce anything that any shared assets assets are

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Speaker 3: split fifty to fifty. Now, with that amount of wealth,

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Speaker 3: they're both fine. My wonder is, and I'm just kind

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Speaker 3: of going off here. I could be wrong, but Kathy

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Speaker 3: so that although he says the agency has over seventy locations,

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Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, but they're not really all unbrellaed under you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not, but she

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Speaker 3: has alluded to there being some financial distress. So even

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Speaker 3: I think is more business and transactional. But that's just

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money a stake here.

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Speaker 1: But there seems to be a power play here because

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Speaker 2: You then, so think about it.

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Speaker 1: Your foray into real estate, if I'm Kyle, your forray

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Speaker 2: And then what was fascinating is this.

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Speaker 2: But this the gag Annie.

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Speaker 1: The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills started a year before that. Kyle, ooh,

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Speaker 3: Kyle, go ahead, No no, no, keep going, keep going. I've

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Speaker 1: a journalist, Hey, Portia. The show premiered October fourteenth, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and ten. In two thousand and eleven, a year later, Mauricio.

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Speaker 1: The reason why this matters to me is because the

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Speaker 2: Any but that revelation, girlfriend, what did you think about

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Speaker 3: I would like to know what the financials look like

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Speaker 3: this power play saying, you know what, you were at home,

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Speaker 3: interesting that it was one year after Housewives, because that

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Speaker 3: don't think men understand that. I think men see it

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Speaker 3: as I'm taking care of the family financially. All you're

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Speaker 3: but then her of course combating that, being like, well,

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Speaker 3: doing that. Maybe And I again, though, I think it's

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Speaker 2: Ding ding ding ding ding.

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Speaker 1: So any Elise and Carlos King, we have cracked the

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Speaker 3: They file for a divorce. You know that we're going

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Speaker 3: to get our hands on those transcripts. I want that degree.

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Speaker 3: I want to go through everything I want. I'm nosy,

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Speaker 1: You have to come back to decipher the core filings

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Speaker 1: especially one where to your point, Annie, both parties arguably

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Speaker 2: In their own right.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the assets and the monetary

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Speaker 1: protect each other's reputation because if Mauricio did allegedly, allegedly

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and not for public consumption too. I mean

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Speaker 3: to not tarnish either of our reputations. Let's figure this out.

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Speaker 3: But it's just like you're bringing in a whole new

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Speaker 3: It works for a lot of people out in Hollywood,

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Speaker 3: you know. So we'll see if they ever even end

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