WEBVTT - Part Two: Charlotta Bass: The Black Journalist Who Refused the Red Scare

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to part two of Cool People Who

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<v Speaker 2>Did Cool Stuff of an episode. Part two of the

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<v Speaker 2>episode I'm your host, Margaret Kildroy put all the right

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<v Speaker 2>clauses together in the right order. This is an episode

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<v Speaker 2>I have a guest christ and conger.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how a podcast. You've been doing it for

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<v Speaker 2>a very long time, and I made you feel self

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<v Speaker 2>conscious about it in part one, so I figured i'

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<v Speaker 2>just double down on it now.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what that was all on me, Margaret, I

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<v Speaker 3>have been doing it a long time and I should

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<v Speaker 3>not be ashamed of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's one of the jobs that's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>feel ashamed of because it doesn't have a good reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I believe in us.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe in US too.

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<v Speaker 2>I sounded sarcastic, but I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I was sincere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I was too. I just sounded sarcastic. You

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<v Speaker 2>are the host of two podcasts on Ladylike and Conspiracy Comma,

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote, Yes, the comment is essential, Yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise you could get confused with the other. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if there's other podcasts called Conspiracy w but

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<v Speaker 2>this they're probably not. No, what are they about.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, my kind of just general obsession is women.

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<v Speaker 2>Gender.

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<v Speaker 3>Feminism's plural.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, here for the plural.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, it's got to be plural.

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<v Speaker 2>Even more important than that comma.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly and unladylike is more focused on kind of culture

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<v Speaker 3>and especially now this just intense hyper gendered feminist backlash,

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<v Speaker 3>like algorithmically, like just chaotic time that we're.

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<v Speaker 2>In, like like tradwife stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean, oh, tradwife stuff. But also, I guess they're

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<v Speaker 3>technically in the femisphere. I've spent the past couple of

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<v Speaker 3>weeks in the more of the hardcore like pink pilled

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<v Speaker 3>world of life, like female dating strategists and cell.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Oh, I know about fem cells a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, but I don't know about female dating strategists.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they look smax. I guess that's actually just

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<v Speaker 2>called what society does to us. Never mind, we've been

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<v Speaker 2>forced to looks max since the concept of women was created.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they advocate looks maxing. But their whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>is that it's all very like grounded in like manisphere

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<v Speaker 3>kind of bio essentialism stuff. So it's all about cultivating

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<v Speaker 3>your feminine energy and presenting yourself as feminine in order

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<v Speaker 3>to basically manipulate men into paying for your life. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not like sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby, it's like literally what the manosphere people claim or

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<v Speaker 2>the in cells claim. Yes, whoa.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's also like a fascinating kind of anti capitalist

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<v Speaker 3>feminist whige that they wrap it up in of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>working is bullshit, we shouldn't have to pay for our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>But also they'll advocate for things like UBI universal basic income,

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<v Speaker 3>but only for women because men are such pigs they

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<v Speaker 3>have to work. Well yeah, and they just don't deserve anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, anyway, that's where I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fascinating. This is like such a mix of

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, and then there's the reactionary feminism piece of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just yeah, yeah, this is a fun story to

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<v Speaker 2>tell on air. I was like kind of cougar bait

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a teenager, and the first time an

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<v Speaker 2>older woman at a bar explained to me that she

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<v Speaker 2>could get me drinks by just going up to a

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<v Speaker 2>random man and being like, will you buy me two

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<v Speaker 2>drinks and then have them buy her two drinks so

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<v Speaker 2>that she would come back and give to me one

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like seventeen. In this story, I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like mind blown about, Like I was trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>through every step of how complicated this was from a

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<v Speaker 2>feminist position.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, she's now a thriving like TikToker. Yeah, probably

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<v Speaker 3>in the hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish her well, she's fine. I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>She's selling courses online. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, someone's gotta sell courses about how to sell courses online.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually what we've been moving to a Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>How to start Cool Zone Media. It's a paid podcast only,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to pay for every episode. We're ready

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<v Speaker 2>to announce this.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I don't want to do that, No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to come up with an acronym that uses MLM,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm failing, so instead let's talk about the podcast topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is part two of a two parter on

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<v Speaker 2>Charlotta Bass, who I have not called Charlotta Base this

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<v Speaker 2>entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe proud of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I promised I would by accident because Bass, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to spend so long learning as a kid that that

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<v Speaker 2>was pronounced not the way you think it is, And

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<v Speaker 2>I never really went fishing very well. I always left

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<v Speaker 2>fish she was fake because I went fishing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>and I never caught anything, So I don't think about

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<v Speaker 2>bass the fish. This is part two about her. None

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<v Speaker 2>of that is about her. She is living in an amazing life.

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<v Speaker 2>She has scared away to KKK. She is running a

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<v Speaker 2>place with her wife guy and just kind of doing

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<v Speaker 2>cool shit and getting investigated by the FEDS for doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>which means we get to talk about not friend but

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<v Speaker 2>recurring character of the pod, the Red Scares. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know there's been more than one of them?

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised you knew that, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean not to brage, but it was something that

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<v Speaker 3>I learned recently, though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, because they all kind of get conflated together.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the like much less talked about but

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<v Speaker 2>rather dramatically important Lavender Scare, where like this is my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite of them. The reasoning behind the Lavender Scare when

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<v Speaker 2>they fired all the gay people and the queer people

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<v Speaker 2>from the federal government, was because it's shameful to be

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<v Speaker 2>gay in a homophobic society. That means that you could

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<v Speaker 2>be blackmailed by the Soviets, and you're like, well it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like the obvious solution here is that no one

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<v Speaker 2>get in trouble if they're blackmailed, Like you've created the

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<v Speaker 2>argument for yourself. If you don't get fired for being

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<v Speaker 2>a lesbian, there's not a problem. They can't blackmail you exactly. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we have these things called red scares in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had two major ones, and we're probably entering a

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<v Speaker 2>third right now. Suddenly federal repression ramps up against anyone

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<v Speaker 2>suspected of being anti capitalist. Basically, that's like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what it comes down to. They'll use other terms, but

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<v Speaker 2>they mean a pretty broad sense anyone who's against the

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<v Speaker 2>American economic system. The first Red scare was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like the First World War. It seemed like a huge

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<v Speaker 2>deal at the time, but the second one kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stole its thunder. Like I always like the meme of

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<v Speaker 2>like the time traveler goes back to the World War

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<v Speaker 2>One and is like, oh shit, this is World War One.

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<v Speaker 2>The person's like, wait, what, there's another one after this?

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<v Speaker 2>How can there be? The Red Scare probably felt like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also both these red scares map to world wars,

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<v Speaker 2>which doesn't make me feel good about us entering a new.

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<v Speaker 4>One, Margaret, I had not even connected those dots who

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<v Speaker 4>history doesn't repeat, it rhymes and comes back to the

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<v Speaker 4>same refrains, you know, So I don't think we're doomed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well in Red Scare was post war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, both of them come immediately after World wars. So

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<v Speaker 2>if we're having a Red Scare now, maybe we just

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<v Speaker 2>will skip the World War hey, or you know other alternatives.

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<v Speaker 2>The first Red Scare was nineteen seventeen to nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was in response to the rise of socialist

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<v Speaker 2>revolutions across the world, and in particular it is a

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<v Speaker 2>response to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, and the primary

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<v Speaker 2>target of the Red Scare, at least as I've read

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<v Speaker 2>about because my own biases, but most of what I've

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<v Speaker 2>read implies that this is true, was the Russian immigrant community. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, oh, y'all are secret communeanists, and many

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<v Speaker 2>of them were leftist revolutionaries the people who were targeted

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<v Speaker 2>for this, but most of them were anarchists who the

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<v Speaker 2>Bolsheviks were in a war against in Russia. So a

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<v Speaker 2>great number of the anarchists who were arrested and deported

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<v Speaker 2>back to Russia were then imprisoned and or killed by

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<v Speaker 2>the Bolsheviks because Bolsheviks were in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 2>bloody civil war against all of the other leftists that

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<v Speaker 2>initially supported their revolution, so that the first Red Scare sucked,

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<v Speaker 2>but the second Red Scare was lasted longer and had

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<v Speaker 2>further reaching consequences for the world and for American society.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets all the attention these days. It is generally

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<v Speaker 2>seen as centering around nineteen forty seven to nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>seven or so, but the famous House Committee on on

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<v Speaker 2>American Activities was actually founded all the way back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty eight. So even while the US was allied

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<v Speaker 2>with the USSR and the war against Germany, anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>is too anti fascist was suspect and under constant investigation, like,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, one of our recent episodes. Two of our

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<v Speaker 2>recent episodes were about the blues musician Howe He Ledbetter

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<v Speaker 2>Akay led Belly, and Alan Lomax, the guy who like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of recorded almost everybody and is the reason Americana

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<v Speaker 2>like exists. And they're leftists. They're pretty far left. They're

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<v Speaker 2>bout as left as you go without being like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a card carrying communist right, and they are hard at

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<v Speaker 2>work on the American war effort. Honey Ledbetter's like old

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<v Speaker 2>is dirt, and he's like, I'm going to join World

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<v Speaker 2>War two and they're like, no, you're not, Bud. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to kill them Nazis. And Alan Lomax,

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<v Speaker 2>who was doing work for the State Department, like creating

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<v Speaker 2>propaganda so that people were willing to go fight, he

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<v Speaker 2>eventually actually did. He was like, I'm tired of being deferred,

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<v Speaker 2>put me in coach and try to get himself shipped

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<v Speaker 2>off to war. And then instead they shipped him off

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<v Speaker 2>to the propaganda department of the army. And they're both

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<v Speaker 2>under investigation. They are literally doing anti fascist work for

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<v Speaker 2>the US government, and the US government is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>a little too anti fascist. I'm onto you. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>only supposed to be a little anti fascist in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>They ever heard of the premature anti fascists. No, this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of my favorite weird tidbits of history. And

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<v Speaker 2>I also had to bring up the Spanish Civil War

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<v Speaker 2>somehow on this episode. So the Spanish Civil War from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty six to nineteen thirty nine. Margot's favorite subject

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<v Speaker 2>of history was this doomed effort to stop Franco from

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<v Speaker 2>taking over Spain. And the Americans who went to go

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<v Speaker 2>fight were mostly leftist of various types communist, socialists, fewer anarchists,

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<v Speaker 2>but like in general, the left went to go fight right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they came back, because they lost that war,

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<v Speaker 2>it went really badly. A lot of them died. They

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<v Speaker 2>were labeled as premature anti fascists, as if it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a ideological like a mental disorder of ideology.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it even mean.

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<v Speaker 2>They were anti fascist before the United States was anti fascist,

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<v Speaker 2>so they weren't trusted. So these are the people who

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<v Speaker 2>have already fought Germany and Italy, like literally have already

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<v Speaker 2>been in a shooting work as Germany and Italy went

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<v Speaker 2>and supported the fascists, whereas the democracies did not come

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<v Speaker 2>and support the democracy in Spain. And that's why Spain

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<v Speaker 2>fell the fascism is that the UK, America and France

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<v Speaker 2>both were like, oh, we don't know these guys, not us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And so the people who had already fought

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<v Speaker 2>Germany and Italy they were like not trusted. They were

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<v Speaker 2>the premature anti fascists. Makes no sense, I know, but

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it not surprising that the government decided that

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<v Speaker 2>the California Eagle was a threat to national security even

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<v Speaker 2>before the war ended, because they were not afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>be critical of the US government during World War II.

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<v Speaker 2>There they were calling out the hypocrisy of the US

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<v Speaker 2>government for using segregated military units. And they're supposedly anti

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<v Speaker 2>racist war. For example, by the time the Allies live

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<v Speaker 2>France and they're like the Allies were like hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>in France, French people, especially black French people, were just

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<v Speaker 2>aghast at the racism that the US soldiers faced. They

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<v Speaker 2>were like watching it being like, y'all, do what what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening in your country? Because not that France is like

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<v Speaker 2>the least racist country that's ever existed, but being less

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<v Speaker 2>racist than America is really easy to do at this

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<v Speaker 2>particular time. And if you want to hear more about that,

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<v Speaker 2>you should listen to our episodes about Josephine Baker, the

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<v Speaker 2>black pop star of France who helped finance and house

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<v Speaker 2>the French Partisans and had like a whole menagerie of

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<v Speaker 2>like I think she had like a tiger or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>in her like mansion. While she's like letting the partisans

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<v Speaker 2>like make Molotov cocktails there. So she's great, she sounds fun. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>she's fucking awesome. And so later the Eagle is going

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<v Speaker 2>to get called a Soviet paper. It was not a

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet paper, but trained World War two because it was

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<v Speaker 2>critical of the US government. You know who else is critical?

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't an that transition. You know who else is

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<v Speaker 2>critical of the US government, The German and the Japanese.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, name a government. I'm not critical of, darry you Rojeva.

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<v Speaker 2>So they get accused of being financed by the German

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<v Speaker 2>in the Japanese government. Right, they're like, ah, you're secretly

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<v Speaker 2>fascists because you're too far left during World War two.

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<v Speaker 2>This math I know. And in nineteen forty three, the

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<v Speaker 2>Post Office like sued because they wanted to refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>mail the paper. They were like, we don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>mail this. This is like seditious propaganda. I literally have

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<v Speaker 2>the word sedition tattooed on my hands. This is my

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<v Speaker 2>own fault. But the Justice Department actually said no, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to ban them. We do have free speech

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<v Speaker 2>in this country. That Bill of rights. This does some

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<v Speaker 2>good for us. It's stop some stuff, so one correct

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<v Speaker 2>decision was made, I know. But the Eagle wanted victory

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe. They fought for what they called the double

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<v Speaker 2>V campaign, victory for the black people in the military

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<v Speaker 2>I think, including military victory, and also for black people

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<v Speaker 2>at home. And of course this was a personal matter.

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<v Speaker 2>They had skin in the game. Charlotta's nephew, John had

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<v Speaker 2>moved to LA to take over the family business. Like

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<v Speaker 2>her husband's dead at this point, I guess I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>to write that, and it might come later in the script.

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<v Speaker 2>He dies in nineteen thirty four or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>She's running the paper by herself. Her nephew comes out

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<v Speaker 2>to LA and she's basically being like, hey, learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to do a paper. You're going to take this over.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to retire at some point, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>John moves to LA and then he fights in World

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<v Speaker 2>War Two and he's killed. As soon as the war ended,

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<v Speaker 2>they were no longer fascist pawns. They were Communist Party pawns.

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<v Speaker 3>Dun dun, duh.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, much like our sponsor, the Communist part. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would love now I'll get in Theoretically,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have any political sponsors but we do have

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors and you can listen to them if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're back. So the FEDS interviewer they like take

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<v Speaker 2>her in or like a EU communist have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of communism? And I don't know. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>make up what they said, but it's just annoying crap.

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<v Speaker 2>They tailed her. They showed up to every single speech

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<v Speaker 2>she gave. I think for the rest of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, they're going to tailor until she dies. In

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties, like they read every issue of the

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<v Speaker 2>paper that she puts out. Her FBI file was five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty three pages long. As regards the second

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<v Speaker 2>Red Scare, it is structurally different than the first one

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<v Speaker 2>in certain ways because I'm really not trying to defend

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Scare, but trying and explain it. A thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I think people misunderstand is that to be part

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<v Speaker 2>of the Communist part with like a capital C and

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<v Speaker 2>a capital P in this particular time, the Communist Party

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<v Speaker 2>of America, which is legal, but it's not an independent organization.

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<v Speaker 2>The USSR was a rigidly hierarchical country, and through commontern

0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Communist International, they extended that control to the official communist

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<v Speaker 2>parties of various other countries, So Americans in the Communist

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<v Speaker 2>Party at the time were beholden to Stalin's orders, which

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<v Speaker 2>had some pretty embarrassing consequences. The one that's come up

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch on this show is how I learned about

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<v Speaker 2>this is that during the lead up to World War Two,

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<v Speaker 2>anti fascists of every kind were like, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get the US into this war. It's the only way

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to stop Germany. US can turn the tide.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to do this right, and that included the

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<v Speaker 2>Communist Party. They're like, we got to get in this war.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact was signed, which was

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<v Speaker 2>when Stalin became allies with Germany. So the ussrre suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>allies with Germany and the Communist with the capitals distinguished

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<v Speaker 2>from communism as an ideology position turns on a dime,

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly fascism isn't the enemy. Or in Germany you

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<v Speaker 2>had this thing where like the real fascists of the

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<v Speaker 2>social Democrats is what the communists were saying, Right, don't

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<v Speaker 2>worry about the Nazis. They're not a big deal. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I have my timeline a little bit, someone's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>really mad about that my timeline. But in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>they stopped pushing for America to get into the war,

0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.760
<v Speaker 2>some of them, many of them were like, this is nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm much more interested in anti fascism than I am

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<v Speaker 2>into listening to with Stalin has to say, and kept

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<v Speaker 2>doing that work, and I applaud those people. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Scare was ostensibly about hunting out these foreign agents

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<v Speaker 2>beholden to a foreign power which did exist. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>really what it was about, though, and that's what matters, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's worth understanding their rationale behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>or what they present as their rationale. But what they

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<v Speaker 2>did is hunt people about ideology, not political affiliation. People

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<v Speaker 2>were accused of political affiliation in order to slander them

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<v Speaker 2>and get them blacklisted for ideological reasons. Anyone who is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lefty is now getting blacklisted at all. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is why the reds Care is relevant to us today.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the government doesn't really believe that Antifa. Anytime

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<v Speaker 2>I say that word here, I have air quotes. Anyone

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<v Speaker 2>can hear them in my voice. Probably they probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe that it's a specific foreign organization with representatives in

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<v Speaker 2>the US, even though they picked a couple like groups

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<v Speaker 2>overseas that do anti fascist work and call them ftos. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't believe that antifa is a specific organization with

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<v Speaker 2>a membership list here, but they'll say those things because

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<v Speaker 2>it gives them legal tools with which to repress anyone

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<v Speaker 2>left of Trump, which these days includes centrists like the

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<v Speaker 2>establishment Democrats, you know, progressives like the DSA, or the

0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.480
<v Speaker 2>center right groups like pre Trump Republican Party, the Rhinos. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>all of these people to the left of Trump can

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<v Speaker 2>now be disparaged by you know, everyone's being accused of

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<v Speaker 2>financing ANTIPHA because it's convenient way to its hack people

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<v Speaker 2>for ideology, similarly to how people like Charlotta Bass were

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<v Speaker 2>accused of being members of the Communist Party, despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that this was untrue. The FBI agents knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was untrue, thought it was stupid, and didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it anymore, but it was a convenient way to

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<v Speaker 2>silence political opponents. That's my rant about Red Scarce.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been like following on everywhere like uh huh uh,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think you're totally right, like, especially with the

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<v Speaker 3>not to fully derail no that's right. But with the

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<v Speaker 3>is it the national security like threat assessments? Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>White House does now where it's like, actually the threat

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<v Speaker 3>is all like left wing extremist ideology and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like what right like trans ideology that's yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, And it's just like every single study put

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<v Speaker 2>out by the federal government prior to like two years ago,

0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:00.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like right wing political actors to commit x f

0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:04.879
<v Speaker 2>pinentially more violent crime and terrorism. And the red scare

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<v Speaker 2>was really effective at getting people to comply in advance,

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<v Speaker 2>but it did not catch Charlotta Bass or the California Eagle,

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<v Speaker 2>or honestly, as far as I can tell, the black

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers all across the country to give into fear. They

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<v Speaker 2>were all investigated, like black newspapers all over the country.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't just the California Eagle, right, but they just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't give into fear. Like at one point we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>talk about later. Sure, a lot of Basque goes in

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<v Speaker 2>probably nineteen forty nine, but all the history books in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty, but they're wrong. It went to this peace

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<v Speaker 2>conferences in Europe that were put on by the USSR.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're like kind of sketchy and she comes back

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, give us your passport, and she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>she just doesn't give the government her passport. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what happened after that. I'm so annoyed. I

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<v Speaker 2>found one sentence in all of the things I read

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<v Speaker 2>that was like and then she came back and the

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<v Speaker 2>insisted she give her the passport and she didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, and then what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like her response to the Klan last episode of like,

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<v Speaker 3>I know these guys, let me find my gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and in those cases the FEDS, So instead of

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to find my gun, it's just like, nah,

0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't do it. I'm not gonna let you. You know,

0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 2>she's clearly not afraid to jail. She doesn't go to

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<v Speaker 2>jail as far as I can tell, because institutions cave

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.720
<v Speaker 2>to the red scare. And it's happened now too with

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<v Speaker 2>like Palestinian resistance movements in the US, and like prematurely

0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.200
<v Speaker 2>people are complying ahead of actually taking it to any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fight. As soon as a threat is raised,

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:34.680
<v Speaker 2>institutions comply in advance, which is how fascists take over

0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 2>democratic countries. Is they ignore the rule of law in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get away with shit, and she's just not

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<v Speaker 2>having it. And it also isn't stopping her from doing

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.919
<v Speaker 2>her work, so it's not just her work. Now becomes

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I fight the red scare. She is doing organizing community

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<v Speaker 2>organizing that has like nationwide impacts. In fact, the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>like this is a thing that her and the people

0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.480
<v Speaker 2>around her paper accomplished. Comes in nineteen forty five, during

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of all of this stuff, you heard a

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 2>red lining. Oh yeah, red lining is a form of

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.120
<v Speaker 2>housing discrimination. Actually, this party didn't know. I just knew

0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 2>it was like people can't move into certain neighborhoods and

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<v Speaker 2>all this horrible shit. You know, I hadn't done more

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 2>of a deep dive about it. It's a form of

0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:25.200
<v Speaker 2>housing discrimination based on bank loans. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I didn't know about it that I should have. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've probably read this before. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>redlining came out of that usually positive moment, the New

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<v Speaker 2>Deal under Franklin.

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<v Speaker 3>Roosevelt starting to ring a bell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's how I felt for me. Well, as a conger,

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<v Speaker 2>that is how you would respond. That's I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do this to Molly now too, and she's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she'll probably get it. She's mall, yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably has like a book about Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, future Mollie.

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<v Speaker 2>So the New Deal, well, it's created by Franklin Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 2>created the Federal Housing Authority, which worked good idea, bad deployment,

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:09.199
<v Speaker 2>and probably racist underpinions from the beginning. It worked to

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<v Speaker 2>get affordable housing loans into the hands of people and

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<v Speaker 2>just like in general, like business loans and help people

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<v Speaker 2>get by, right, so people could own their own houses

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 2>and have the American dream or whatever, so that white

0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:25.440
<v Speaker 2>people could have those things. Because the FAHA basically decided

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 2>that they only wanted to loan money to people with

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>trustworthy assets, and houses in minority neighborhoods are not trustworthy

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>assets because of the circular reasoning of racism. Well, those

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 2>people are poor, so we can't help them build wealth.

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Maps were drawn up and they were color coded, and

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>certain areas were no go areas for affordable loans, not

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 2>just housing loans, right, because if you're like, well, I

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.879
<v Speaker 2>own a house, can I get a loan? Usually I

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 2>own a house means like, yeah, you can get a loan, right,

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>because you have an asset that can seize, so that's

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.040
<v Speaker 2>all a bank needs to loan you money. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're redlined. You are on the wrong side of a

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 2>color coded map. Even if you meet the financial requirements

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 2>for a loan, you could be rejected for where you lived.

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 2>But somehow it got worse than that because it wasn't

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>just black and other minority neighborhoods that were redlined. It

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 2>was places that black people were seen to be moving to.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean, like the neighborhoods. Yeah, so if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a neighborhood that's like starting to have black people

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<v Speaker 2>move to it, uh huh, it can get red lined, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you have incentivized racism from white people who

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't need more incentives. They had enough, but now you've

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>given them more reason because instead of there goes the

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood meaning like I have to hear Spanish, or there's

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>black people around, or I'm afraid there'll be more crime,

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>or these usual racist reasons that are garbage. It's also

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I won't be able to get a loan if black

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>people move to my neighborhood.

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:02.679
<v Speaker 3>So it's literally like dragging down all of the asset value. Yeah,

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 3>around them, that's wild.

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 2>So to solve this, the FAHA was like, oh, sorry,

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 2>to solve it for white people, they were like, just

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 2>create racist agreements in all of your deeds to say

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that you'll never sell to a black person. Problem solved.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 2>These are called racial covenants. Very few positive things are

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 2>called covenants, which is a shame.

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Sounds very biblical.

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I know, covenant is a cool word. I like words

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 2>like that. Not usually good, unfortunately, and best as I

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>can piece together. The thing I read talks about the

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>racial covenants is coming from the FAHA and the red lining,

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>but I've read other stuff about racial covenants going back

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>at least decades earlier, So I think that this is

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 2>a common practice that the FAHA was like, Aha, this

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 2>common practice, This is how you can solve the problem.

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Racial covenants are illegal as hell now, and they're illegal

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>partly because of the California Eagle, or rather the people

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>who worked on it, which again sixteen year old from

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Texas is like, I'm going to go start a paper

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>leads to racial covenants are illegal in the United States. Like,

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>never think that your actions don't have impacts for good

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and bad.

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 3>And I had even forgotten about the sixteen year old

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 3>because Charlotta is so incredible.

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, totally yeah, yeah, And I'm not sure to give

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.199
<v Speaker 2>him the credit, but rather say we're all part of

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 2>this lineage, right of people doing this shit. So the

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 2>California Eagle, the paper is constantly exposing these terrible new

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>laws and practices that they come into being. And Bass

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>created an organization called the Homeowner's Protective Association, which does

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 2>not sound like it would be good, but actually in

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>this case is good to fight against them. So the

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>reason is the Homeowner's Protective Organization. There's a man named

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Lauren Miller, and he had been an editor at The

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Eagle in his twenties and thirties, which I think corresponds

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to the actual nineteen twenties and thirties. I think he's

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 2>born right around the shurt of the century. He's the

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.639
<v Speaker 2>city editor, but he left the paper to become what

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:10.239
<v Speaker 2>NPR described as the legendary and DOUAACP lawyer. And there

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 2>was a neighborhood. See I told you I'm coming back

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 2>to specific la stuff. Sophie. There's a neighborhood in Los

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Angeles called sugar Hill, Sophie, is that a thing people

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 2>still know. I don't know anything about Los Angeles.

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>No, not really.

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, sugar Hill was real cool. It didn't last

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>very long because of racism.

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think that

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.120
<v Speaker 1>it's commonly known as that anymore.

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no it's not. It's been gone since the

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties. Yeah. I was gonna say they destroyed it

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 2>to build the Iten or the ten or whatever you

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>call it.

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like West Adams.

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which I read and then didn't put in the

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 2>script because West Adams is a nonsense word to me.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 2>It has no signification because again, what do you said?

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Sugar Hill. There's like a there's a bar in Portland

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that I went to my friend. She asked me to

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:55.479
<v Speaker 1>go with her too.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Way.

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>It was like a singles mixer.

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Huh. And the bar is called sugar Hill.

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's called sugar Hill. The drinks were good, the

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>vibes were weird.

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Huh. I wonder if it's named after the same thing

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the sugar Hill was named after. I also wonder which

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 2>is a Harlem neighborhood that was important in the Harlem Renaissance,

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>sugar Hill. Sugar Hill in Los Angeles, I don't know

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>as much about. Sugar Hill in New York was a

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 2>wealthy black neighborhood and that scares the piss out of

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>white supremacy and white people, and sugar Hill only lasted

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>fifteen to twenty years. It lasted from the nineteen forties

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>to the nineteen sixties because it had to fight systemic

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>racism in order to exist, and it also was destroyed

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>by another sort of systemic racism because in the nineteen tens,

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 2>rich white people started leaving that neighborhood to move to

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Beverly Hills, and most of the houses had racial covenants.

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>But the sellers and buyers they're all like kind of

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>like rich Hollywood folks, and they're like, I don't really

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>give a shit about thought, so they don't. So they're like, ah,

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I know, my deed says I can't sell to a

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>black person, but like no one's checking, you know, So

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 2>they sell houses to black people because they're not horrible monsters.

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 3>And I imagine these are nice houses that cost a

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of money, so they're also making money off of.

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>It, totally right. Yeah, yeah, they're like, I'm sorry, I

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 2>want to sell to the rich person and it happens

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to be that Los Angeles is one of the places.

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're asking earlier about Los Angeles is a place

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>of it's nice for black people. Some of it is

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that the center of the entertainment industry is going to

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>have a higher percentage of like wealthy black people than

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>other places. Right, although that's less true in the nineteenth

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>century than the early twentieth century, I believe, but I

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>am not as certain about that. So all kinds of

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>black performers of various sorts, actors and singers and shit

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>start moving in, and then also black professionals, doctors and

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 2>folks like that are moving into these like they're called mansions.

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 2>And then you look at pictures, you're like, ah, modern,

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>large suburban house. When I imagine like La mansion, I

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>imagine something much bigger than what these are. But they're

0:29:56.240 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>still large, wealthy houses. You know. But by the early

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties, the racist white people in the neighborhood were

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 2>really mad about the fact that all these black people

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>were moving there. They started putting up signs like the

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>sign I saw a photo of was in the window

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and it says, we want white tenants in our white

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>community with little American flags on it, and it's one

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>of those things that, like, twenty years ago, you'd be like, man,

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>old timey people were so weird, and now you're like, yeah,

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I could see people doing that now too.

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that looks like a MAGA sign. Okay.

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Hattie McDaniel, the first black person to ever win

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 2>an oscar, bought a mansion in sugar Hill and she

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>used to host parties there all the time. It sounded

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>like they were coolest shit, I bet. And the white

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>neighbors sued Hattie and some of her other black neighbors

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 2>for having broken the racial covenants by daring to have

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 2>bought things with money, like the money's no good here thing.

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, I'm sorry. I thought we live in

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a society where we determined value by these little coin

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>which isn't a good system, but theoretically.

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 3>The length to go to to file a lawsuit for

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 3>someone owning, oh, just.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Owning the home. Yeah, like that's wow. I'm sorry that

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>your house isn't as nice as hers. Fuck you, Sorry

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>she didn't invite you to the party. Yeah you're a trip.

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah totally, I wonder why. And Lauren Miller, the legendary

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>NAACP lawyer, who had been an editor at the California Eagle,

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 2>stepped up to represent everyone, and they won. Racial covenants

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>were clearly against the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Within three years, in nineteen forty eight, the Supreme Court

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>cited this nineteen forty five case as precedent when they

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 2>ruled that racially restrictive covenants were unconstitutional nationwide. It still

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>took twenty more years for there to be legislation passed

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>out lawing the practice, but in nineteen forty five everyone

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>got to keep their mansions. Except racism will always find

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>a way. Systemic racism is really good. Like I think

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>most white racists are just ignorant. But it's just like

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the degree to which well, I think most of them

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 2>are bad hearts, but the degree to which you have

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 2>to like not understand history, like having money isn't enough.

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 2>That's like what happened with reconstruction. Like whenever people are like,

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>all right, we'll play the same game as you all,

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh wait, you're doing really well in

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>that game. We changed our mind. We changed the rules.

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like playing a fucking board game with a seven

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>year old. You know, and they're like changing the rules

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>of the game as you're playing it. So the other

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>famous destroyer of black prosperity, another form of systemic oppression

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 2>reared its head. White neighborhoods didn't want highway expansions to

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>go through them, so sugar Hill was bulldozed. Oh sugar

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Hill is now the ten again. Like you said, like,

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 2>your money's no good here. Even their property value didn't

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>save them.

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 3>These rich mansions would not save them.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess they got eminent domain doubt. Like, if

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a group of people that would

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 2>be hard to fuck with with systemic racism, you think

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>it would be the like black Oscar winners who live

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>in the wealthy neighborhood. You know, one would think. But no,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>it because in order to put in the tent anywhere

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 2>else they would have had to take out the fraternity

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and sorority row at USC.

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, so we have to destroy a black neighborhood instead,

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>And other Black and Latino neighborhoods were destroyed for making

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>the ten two. I'm not trying to like woe is

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 2>me the rich people, but I think it's really telling,

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Like you were saying that wealth didn't stop them, because

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>systemic racism is worse than that. And if you want

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>to see before and after photos of these houses and

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>what's there now? In my sources list, there's a link

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>to a site called Segregation by Design that has a

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of before and aftershots and stories about like the

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>first black woman doctor in California and a famous psychologist

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and their families that grew up in these houses that like, yeah,

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>are gone, but do you know what isn't gone? Do

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what's here now? Capitalism, that's right, and products

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and services that support our show.

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 3>You gotta have the products and services.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I know, what would we do without them?

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Probably not have places to live.

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a big one for me. I'm really fond

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>of feeding my dog and having shelter. Yeah, it's been

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 2>a decent chunk of my life with a van as

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 2>my house. Pretty into these products and services. Enter back

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and Lauren Miller, the legendary end of LCP Lawyer. We'll

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 2>be back in this story soon enough and back at

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the Eagle. But first he had to go set precedent

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 2>to bring down one of the most racist practices in

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 2>American economics with the racial covenants. But shar Alata Bass

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>did organizing outside of just running a newspaper or the

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:07.919
<v Speaker 2>circulation of sixty thousand people. As if that wasn't enough,

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 2>she worked with an organization started by Marcus Garvey, recurring

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>hero ish figure of the POD, called Universal Negro Improvement

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Association in the nineteen twenties, fighting against discrimination and segregation.

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I read one thing that I really liked that was

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 2>talking about how wanna shar a Lotta. Bass's strengths is

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>that she both worked with the moderates and the more radicals,

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>like she was just like kind of a whatever it

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 2>takes kind of girl, where she's like working with Marcus Garvey,

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>but also the NAACP, who are much more liberal. Although

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>that said later the NAACP is going to rip up

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 2>her membership card after she gets blacklisted by the government

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>for being a terrible communist or whatever. So NAACP has

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of wins in history, but has also a

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of embarrassing moments, especially during the Red Scare in

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:56.720
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties. She coined or popularized the slogan don't

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 2>buy where you can't work, which was just the like

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 2>one of the best slogans you've ever that's a planes

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>talker right there, right Like. By the nineteen forties, she

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 2>was director of the youth movement of the NAACP. She's

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>probably in her late sixties at this point. She was

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>also really good at running unsuccessfully for public office, starting

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 2>with a bid for city council in the nineteen forties.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think her failing. She's also gonna run for

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Congress at one point fail, like her not succeeding in

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen forties. As for punning for Congress as a

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 2>black woman, like, I'm not, Yeah, this is not a

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>slight to her.

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 3>This would be a different country if she had won.

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, There are so many moments in this especially

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>coming up, that are like, oh, wow, it would be

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>so much better off a certain thing had happened different.

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 2>But also the thing that I always trying to remember

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>is that like the wins that she did have also

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 2>dramatically improved things, you know. And now she had been

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 2>a lifelong Republican, which makes sense because everyone should remember

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 2>the Democrats and Republican meant opposite things from about the

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>eighteen sixties to the nineteen sixties. She lived through the

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 2>entire many decades in which the Republican Party was the

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>more reasonable and less racist party in American politics. The

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>ideological switch between the Democrats and the Republicans started in

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirties with the New Deal and was definitely

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>in placed by the Civil Rights era, so in nineteen

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.399
<v Speaker 2>forty eight, so she didn't really leave the Republican Party.

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 2>The Republican Party left her, you know. And she left

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 2>officially in nineteen forty eight to help create the independent

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Progressive Party of California, which soon joined the nationwide Progressive Party,

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 2>which is like really annoying to research because there's been

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 2>so many parties called the Progressive Party, but usually at

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 2>different times. So if you look up like Wallace nineteen

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 2>forty eight, you get different thing than if you look

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>up the Progressive Party of what's that other Roosevelt? Teddy,

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 2>he also.

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Had one what's that other Roosevelt?

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I've like always kind of assumed that old

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Roosevelt Roosevelt one was like not the best man or whatever, right,

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.439
<v Speaker 2>But like I've read now so much stuff basically about

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 2>how he's so much better and everyone came after that.

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like all confused, Wait about two or one or

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 2>number one? So he's better than number two. No, sorry,

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 2>number two is better than number one, but number one

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 2>is better than Okay, Like probably any politician working today

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 2>in the traditional Democratic or Republican parties in terms of

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 2>like non imperial whatever. I'm not getting into Teddy Roosevelt.

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I read a long thing about it, but the thing

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I read was from the nineteen forties, and I cannot.

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I won't Roosevelt bait you.

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I don't know enough about it. It's like

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the fun thing I'm sure you've never had to run

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>into this with your job, is that, like, in order

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>to understand anything, you have to understand everything, but you

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>can't understand everything, so you have to like try, and

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 2>it's impossible, and it's one of the most brilliant and

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>rewarding things you can do, is to try and understand

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 2>these things. But like it's too much, there's too much stuff.

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's also part of what makes it fun.

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:05.879
<v Speaker 2>I know. The Progressive Party was the DSA of its day,

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>but instead of trying to push for change with an

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 2>existing party, which is the DSA strategy today, of trying

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to have the Democratic Party actually represent the Democratic voters,

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the Progressive Party ran as a third party which was

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>much more the style at the time. And but nineteen

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>fifty two she's going to be its vice presidential candidate.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 2>But in nineteen forty eight, the party existed to support

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>the presidential run of Henry Wallace. This is the guy.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of this guy? You have to look

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>on your face.

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Is this like the super arch racist Wallace?

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>WHOA, I don't think so.

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 3>The George Wallace That's what I'm thinking of. Never mind

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 3>George wwas the Alabama governor who was like segregation.

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, okay, yeah, yeah, no, how could you possibly get

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 2>George and Henry Wallace the two most English sounding names

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 2>that have ever existed mixed up?

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm glad Charlotta is not in league somehow with

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 3>George Wallace.

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>No, no, George Wallace is the really scary eyebrow guy.

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, Well the thing I was expecting to

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 2>have to cover but didn't end up happening. And she's

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 2>actually very anti segregation. A lot of people in like

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of her position at the time weren't necessarily pro segregation,

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:23.919
<v Speaker 2>but weren't really like trying to fight against it either,

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.879
<v Speaker 2>because there is like also a like attempt to try

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 2>and insulate black society right from like racist white people.

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 2>So I was expecting to have to cover that, but

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't because she was actually very explicitly anti segregation

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the entire time ahead of her time in a way

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that's an oversimplification anyway. Henry Wallace, who didn't wag his

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>finger in that particular way. He had been vice president

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>for almost the entirety of World War Two. This is

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 2>the fun thing about vice presidents. No one remembers them.

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Do you know he had a I do remember his name?

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Do you know he had a Native American vice president?

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And like I want to say the twenties or thirties. No,

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I think he was a piece of shit who like

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 2>privatized all the indigenous lands and was like, I don't

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 2>remember enough about him to talk shit. No one remembers

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>vice presidents. That's the rule. I'm looking forward to not

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 2>knowing who JD. Vances. Oh God, yes, he was dropped,

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:19.399
<v Speaker 2>not vance, but Henry Wallace was vice president during World

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 2>War Two for most of it, all but seven months

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>or something of it. And he was dropped from the

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty four ticket as vice president because everyone knew

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Roosevelt's health was bad. And they needed a more electable

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 2>vice president, whereas like Wallace is lefty, and so they're like, oh,

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like the same problem that Lincoln fucked up with

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and ended up with a horrible racist as his vice president,

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 2>and then he got shot to his name I don't

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>remember because I refused to remember Voce Ohl. That guy

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 2>got into a president, so I should remember his name. Anyway,

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>they picked a more electable guy to be vice president

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 2>instead of Wallace, so he was dropped from the ticket.

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Then Roosevelt died eighty two days into his fourth term

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 2>in office. That's the other thing people got about Hi.

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 3>That is so wild.

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Four terms in office. I understand why sometimes people call

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>him the dictator. He was not. He's still probably my

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>favorite president, which is a low bar. He did a

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of racist shit. Anyway, Truman ends up president, not Wallace,

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 2>whereas Wallace would have been president. And Wallace is like,

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>at least by nineteen forty eight running on this incredibly

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 2>progressive campaign, so that could have been what had happened. Right,

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 2>This is that moment of like the world could be

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>really fundamentally different, because specifically Wallace doesn't want a fucking

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 2>cold war. He's like they were our allies, why are

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 2>we having a war with them? Which is a reasonable

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.240
<v Speaker 2>argument to make. So he ran as a third party

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>candidate nineteen forty eight, which didn't work. The party's idea,

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the Progressive Party. This is now what Bass has thrown

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 2>her weight behind. The party's idea is basically, both of

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 2>the existing parties are corrupt and we shouldn't be doing

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 2>this cold war nonsense. And also, let's just have diplomatic

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 2>ties with Russia and work with the UN and stop

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>doing Jim crow bow and let more refugees in and

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 2>build housing for the homeless and do universal health care.

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Sounds good.

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.439
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm like, all right, I can say no notes,

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna have some notes in a moment. Some

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>of this platform is interesting to read out today. Quote

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 2>never before have so few owned so much at the

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 2>expense of so many. Ten years ago, Franklin Delano Roosevelt warned,

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 2>quote the liberty of a democracy is not safe. If

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the people tolerate the growth of private power to a

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state, that

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in essence is fascism. The platform also says, quote both

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 2>parties are champions of big business. The Republican platform admits it.

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>The Democratic platform attempts to conceal ito. And I'm like,

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I could have written that, Like, well, no, I wouldn't

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:48.799
<v Speaker 2>say it now because now the Republican Party is just

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>the fascist party. But like I could have written that

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago, you know, I know, like why didn't

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>we listen? I know, but no, political history is uncomplicated.

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 2>In addition to calling for one world government, they have

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 2>a whole plank in there about how America needs to

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>recognize and finance Israel, and we opposed any attempt to

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>interfere with Israel and its sovereign right to control its

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 2>own immigration policy. They did, however, want Israel to be

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 2>a single state that is multi ethnic and multi religious,

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.640
<v Speaker 2>that is like both Jewish and Arab. And also this

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>is a few years after the end of the Holocaust,

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's basically about like it's contextually different. It looks

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 2>funny in history, That's what I'll say about it. Yeah,

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 2>So her becoming a progressive in nineteen forty eight did

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>not slow down the government's obsession with her. People very

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 2>incorrectly decided that willing to be friends with the Communists

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>meant takes orders from the Communists and accuse the Progressive

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Party of being affront for the Communist Party. I actually

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>spent a little while today being like, what was it though,

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it was.

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:53.319
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>So you ever okay, well, you'd run a conspiracy? Have

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you ever done the like conspiracy stuff around red Scare

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>and around like foreign agents and all this stuff.

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not to that degree, okay, because I do think

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 3>it might tie my brain into a permanent pretzel.

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I live as a pretzel. It's very complicated fox

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>with my head. It also didn't help that she was

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 2>perfectly fine staying friends with two of the most blacklisted

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 2>people in America who are both black, the labor singer

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Paul Robison and the theorist W. E. B. Dubois. And

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>she found herself blacklisted too, which is why the NAACP

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 2>ripped up her card. The Iota Phi Lambas Society of Toledo, Ohio,

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 2>which had given her honorary membership in their sorority. They

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:47.760
<v Speaker 2>revoked her membership because she's terrible commune or whatever that. Again,

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 2>her FBI stalkers are like, nah, she's not a communist,

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and the NAACP kicks her out and it makes running

0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 2>a newspaper hard. The numbers on her newspaper are going down,

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, I only have two points on

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the graph I have. In the nineteen twenties it peaked

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 2>at sixty thousand people, and that by like nineteen fifty

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>one when she sells the paper, it's like two thousand

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>dish people. So it's like a really dramatic fall. But

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that curve looks like.

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 3>I would imagine too that like for this paper and

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 3>this woman who's obviously so focused not just on like

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 3>the journalism of it all, but she's she's a community organizer,

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, totally so yeah, and then to have community ties.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Turn on her, Yeah, I must have been heartbreaking. Like

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:43.879
<v Speaker 2>you've spent decades working for the NAACP and then they're

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 2>just like, no, we don't like that. You think that

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the USSR is an anti racist place, so fuck you. Like,

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.360
<v Speaker 2>according to everything I have read, she did this in

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty I believe everything I have read is wrong,

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 2>and that she did this in nineteen forty nine. In

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty nine, she traveled to Paris and Prague for

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the Defenders of the Peace Committee of the World Congress.

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:09.760
<v Speaker 2>The reason I believe this happened in nineteen forty nine

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>is because those of the year that Paris and Prague

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.760
<v Speaker 2>held the Defenders of the Peace Committee for the World Congress.

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I think this is one of the problems with Like,

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 2>she wrote an autobiography that is hard to get a hold of,

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and I have not read most of the writing about her,

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 2>including some academic writing. Most of it is sort of

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 2>pop journalism, which is what I do. I can't disparage

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 2>pop journalism. There's a lot of loose timeline stuff, you know. Anyway,

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I get really annoyed by that thing. I used to

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 2>be like, I don't even care about names and dates.

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm like, they got the date wrong.

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 3>They're just rounding up.

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because like in my mind, anytime I read an

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>unfamiliar term while I'm researching someone, I go look that

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 2>term up, right, And so I just read things that

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 2>are like and then she went to the Paris and

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Prague Defenders of the Peace Committee of the World Congress,

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and everyone is just assumes they know what that means

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 2>because it's in the name that it's a Defenders of

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 2>the Peace Committee of the World Congress. But here's the

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>messy part that was put on by the Soviet Union.

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 2>It was a propaganda thing. It was not a like

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 2>world international thing. It was to be like, isn't the

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union great? Shouldn't you all become communists? I don't

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>think I'm being conspiracy minded when I say that, that's

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>just like who financed it and made it happen, And

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 2>like journalists went and they were like, there was no

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>informal speeches. Everything was carefully prepared, like you know, that

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:32.240
<v Speaker 2>is the USSR's way. It's like as very authoritarian society.

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Paul Robison, the singer, is amazing voice. He went and

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>he gave a speech at it, and he got his

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 2>passport confiscated by the US government for years. And she

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 2>went to the USSR as part of this on a

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.839
<v Speaker 2>carefully controlled guided tour, and she wrote about her time

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 2>in the USSR. I think she spent ten days there. Quote.

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I will never forget the moment when I first realized,

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 2>standing there in the Great Georgian University, that there is,

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 2>in very truth, not even a semblance of racial exclusiveness

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>in Russia. The example which the Russians are setting in

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 2>this field will have an effect in every country in

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the world, including her own. This isn't her saying like

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I am now a Bolshevik, right, She's like, I want

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 2>America to be good. I want America to be not racist.

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I do think that there's a lot of propagandizing in

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the degree to which people say that the USSR was

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:25.839
<v Speaker 2>anti racist, But it certainly was not as racist as

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the United States, except, of course, the fact that people

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 2>had their ethnicity on their identity card, and then there

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:31.879
<v Speaker 2>was a whole lot of ethnic cleansings that they did.

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 2>It's complicated. I don't like either government. That's my Cold

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 2>War take.

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, when she had been writing about like what she

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 3>was shown and what she was effectively allowed to see as.

0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Well totally, so I'm not like she did anything wrong.

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>So she sees this and this is a thing that

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>like some black Americans had gone over to the USSR,

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Paul Robinson would go over a lot, and doing the

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>research for this episode changed my opinion about Paul Robison

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 2>in a negative way. Is specifically because he he observed

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Jewish people being killed for being Jewish intellectuals, including his friends,

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't say anything about it because he hated

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:09.400
<v Speaker 2>America so much which is legit on record. The FEDS

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>would be like, what do you think of Stalin? And

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I'm not here to talk about Stalin. You

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 2>people killed sixty to one hundred million black people when

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you like, you know, enslaved us and brought us over here.

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Stalin's Russia's problem. I'm not here to talk about that.

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, all right, as legit, yeah, fair point.

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 2>But other people, including some black people are his friends with,

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 2>were specifically like, like, what the fuck is complicated? He's

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a complicated man. I don't know enough about him to

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 2>make sweeping statements. I have you picked up on that

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I had complicated feelings about the Cold War because I

0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 2>don't like either side of it, because I don't like authoritarianism.

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 2>This did not make her a communist, but also it

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be wrong or illegal if she was. During all

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.800
<v Speaker 2>of this, It's still not illegal to be a communist.

0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>We ostensibly a free speech in America, you know, Yeah, as.

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Far as I'm aware, the actual like political platforms and

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 3>agendas that like Communist Party members in the US were

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 3>talking about like sounded kind of similar to like the

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 3>progressive totally platform that you just described.

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. I think that's actually a really good point though,

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 2>because the Communist Party isn't necessarily being like overthrow the

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 2>United States West, some of them are. I don't know,

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:32.320
<v Speaker 2>it's complicated, it's complicated, but I think again, she says

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>what she's about. I have never seen a single thing

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that makes me think that this woman was like sneakily

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.279
<v Speaker 2>believed something other than the thing that she spent her

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 2>entire career every week for forty years writing her column.

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 2>I think she had her column the entire time every

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.799
<v Speaker 2>week in which she says what she believes. You know,

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 2>so like it's just nonsense to be but like, yes,

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't hate communists, She's not going to throw them

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>under the bus. And eventually she had to retire from

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the newspaper business. She finally did this in nineteen fifty one,

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 2>at seventy seven or so years old. Or seventy years old,

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 2>who knows that one might not be the historian's fault.

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>That's the record keeping of people that no one cares

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>about in the US South. When I say no one

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 2>cares about, I mean like large institutions, no matter what

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>job you do. Seventy seven is a reasonable age to

0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 2>be done with it. She's not a slacker here. I

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 2>only point that out because I've read things that kind

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 2>of implied she quit because of the pressure of the

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Red scare and that she couldn't handle it anymore. I

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>don't believe that, because she's immediately running for office in

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>ways that are like just attracting more attention to her.

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 2>She moves full time into politics to hit back at

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.120
<v Speaker 2>these motherfuckers. And she sells the newspaper.

0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:57.360
<v Speaker 3>This is her late seventies pivot.

0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, her late seventies pivot is now she's a politician. Yeah.

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:04.799
<v Speaker 2>And when she sells her newspaper, she sells it to

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Lauren Miller, the legendary NAACP lawyer, who had been an

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 2>editor there for years. And when she sold the paper,

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 2>she wrote about leaving in her personal column on the sidewalk.

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 2>She wrote, quote, after more than forty years, I have

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>tried to serve my people in my country as a

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 2>good neighbor and as an editor for Negro Liberation, I

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.760
<v Speaker 2>feel that I must now take time to regain my health,

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to learn more about what is happening in the world,

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and decide how I can be most useful in the

0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:33.640
<v Speaker 2>years ahead. So Lauren Miller takes over the paper and

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 2>he ran it well and he kept up at Spirit.

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.320
<v Speaker 2>But in nineteen sixty three, twelve years later, he was

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 2>appointed as a California Superior Court judge, and he had

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.439
<v Speaker 2>to sell the paper and it was bought up by

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 2>a group of fourteen investors and they ran it into

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.839
<v Speaker 2>the ground within six months. Sucks and the paper died

0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty four, again running twenty one time as

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 2>long as the Confederacy and Bass. She ran as vice

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:08.240
<v Speaker 2>president in nineteen fifty two under the Progressive Party, probably

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight years old, on the ticket with a guy

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 2>named Vincent Helenan. And they weren't fools. They knew they

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>weren't going to win the nineteen forty eight campaign. They

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.799
<v Speaker 2>gave it their all, right because this was a popular guy,

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 2>had been a vice president during the war. They weren't

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.440
<v Speaker 2>going to win. Their campaign slogan was win or lose.

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 2>We win by raising the issues.

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Smart.

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no totally. Because I was reading it, I was

0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 2>like what and then I read I was like, oh, yeah, no, no,

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 2>she was thinking about this. You know, she knew she's

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>doing She's one of the most experienced activists this world

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:44.719
<v Speaker 2>has ever seen. And they came in third out of

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 2>eight candidates, which means nothing. Never won votes for the

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 2>main two candidates, so they only elected ones with one

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:55.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty five thousand and seven votes, and she

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>lived for sixteen years. After that, she retired to a

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 2>black resort town called Lake Elsinore, California, where she opened

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.320
<v Speaker 2>a reading room for Black and Jewish history in her garage,

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.879
<v Speaker 2>where she also helped people register to vote. She got

0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 2>active in the campaign against apartheid in South Africa, and

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:18.399
<v Speaker 2>she wrote about herself quote, it has been a good

0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 2>life that I have had, though a very hard one,

0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>but I know the future will be even better. And

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>as I think back, I know that it is the

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 2>only kind of life. And serving one's fellow man one

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 2>serves himself best. And like that's her political position, just whatever,

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.279
<v Speaker 2>she fuck all the rest, you know.

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Like trying to make life better for people.

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how you have a good life.

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.440
<v Speaker 3>And it sounds like she did not have kids, did she? Oh?

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. Oh that's interesting. Nothing I read

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:55.280
<v Speaker 2>implied she had kids. She also got married at thirty

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:59.760
<v Speaker 2>six thirty seven, which still have kids. My great grandmother

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:02.960
<v Speaker 2>was when she had her one kid, and I was

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 2>around that same time period. No, that's interesting. I hadn't

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.279
<v Speaker 2>even thought of that because there's people who trek back

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 2>their lineage to her. But I think in a like

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 2>niece way. Like there's like people who are like, I'm

0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the third grand niece of this lady. So I guess

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 2>she didn't have kids.

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, because she had the nephew right who came out. Yeah,

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 3>totally as well. Yeah, so she failed as a woman,

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:27.800
<v Speaker 3>just utterly. I'm glad you laughed, because otherwise what have

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 3>people thought?

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I was serious child free icon, especially for like then right,

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 2>like and one of eleven kids. That is breaking a

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 2>generational curse. I am not pro or anti natal. People

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:42.600
<v Speaker 2>should do whatever they want. That has been my long

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:44.360
<v Speaker 2>standing belief and will be till I die.

0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 3>To be the middle child and your number six.

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the ultimate middle child energy. But this is

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>not middle child energy behavior.

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:56:55.440 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 2>No, she is not getting overlooked. Even her brother, who

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 2>ran three businesses, is like not in history books except

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:07.680
<v Speaker 2>as the guy who gave her a place to stay

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 2>fucking dope. And she had a stroke in nineteen sixty six,

0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 2>and then she died of a brain hemorrhage on April twelfth,

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight or nineteen sixty nine. Why would

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>sources disagree about the year that she died? What they

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:26.360
<v Speaker 2>do at ninety five years old or ninety six or

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:27.040
<v Speaker 2>ninety one?

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Hey plus ninety well done?

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she died after fighting like fucking hell and

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 2>refusing to let the red scar stop her and like

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:43.640
<v Speaker 2>just cool as hell. My sad final note that maybe Okay,

0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, there's a society named after her at university,

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the USC Annenberg. Annenberg must be the name of the

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 2>campus has the Charlotta Bass Journalism and Justice Lab, And

0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, sick they have all this information about her.

0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 2>But that school got two hundred million dollars from in

0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 2>video and is all in on AI. And the Charlotta

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Bast Journalism and Justice Lab describes itself on his website

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:10.000
<v Speaker 2>as quote the West Coast's first AI powered black media

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 2>archive and experimental storytelling space.

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 1>The Annenberg is USC School for Journalism and Communication.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I wasn't able to use them as a source.

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 2>AI isn't good sources.

0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they mean AI archival, like using it to arcat

0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why am I trying to explain how

0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 3>the AI could be okay, Because.

0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I understand that there are use cases for

0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:38.440
<v Speaker 2>large language models, but the ability for me to trust

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 2>something that is like structurally incapable of not hallucinating, because

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 2>like I spend so much of my job now trying

0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 2>to only find sources from before like twenty twenty two,

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially like pop sources, like pop journalism sources.

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.080
<v Speaker 2>If it's like twenty twenty four later, I'm like, this

0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:00.240
<v Speaker 2>is useless to me, you know, which is terrible. Nless

0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I trust the outlet or I trust the author, and

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>like I always forget to put like no AI when

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I search, and so it always brings up the quick

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>answer and it's wrong like thirty percent of the time.

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm sure, if not more, and.

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Like and so I'm so sad. And again, yeah, maybe

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 2>they have something, But I've been reading about how some

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.000
<v Speaker 2>colleges have been going all in on AI and specifically

0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 2>like ways that I don't think are good so.

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, and the irony too of like the namesake lab

0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:35.760
<v Speaker 3>for this woman who I just keep picturing alone in

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 3>this storefront office writing a whole goddamn newspaper by herself. Yeah,

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:43.960
<v Speaker 3>on a typewriter.

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 3>AI, what the fuck?

0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, running to grab a gun when the klan comes. Yeah,

0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, anyway. I also was afraid to put that

0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:58.160
<v Speaker 2>in because you know what, if there's any group of

0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 2>people that was like gonna look at any meetia around

1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Charlotta Bass and have an opinion, it's them. And if

1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.640
<v Speaker 2>you're them and you've listened this far, you can tell

1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:11.480
<v Speaker 2>me I'm wrong about you all. But it's made me sad.

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.920
<v Speaker 2>But she didn't make me sad. I got out of

1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:19.520
<v Speaker 2>this that you can just say no to these motherfuckers.

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:22.919
<v Speaker 2>When the klan comes and like we like to kill you,

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:24.959
<v Speaker 2>you can be like, nah, that's not that's not my plan.

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<v Speaker 2>When the State Department is like, turn over your passport,

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<v Speaker 2>you could be like, man, fucking arrest me. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is like the ultimate opposite of complying in advance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even complying when the directive comes down. It's

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<v Speaker 2>non compliance in a principled way that you can stand

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<v Speaker 2>up in front of the entire world and be like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>why would I comply with this? It's nonsense, and I uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. I also read that some of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff the movements TH's part of or even her like,

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<v Speaker 2>led to a lot of like specific protest tactics. But

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find more information about that. There's so much

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<v Speaker 2>more I want to learn about her, And I found

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<v Speaker 2>out that one university has like all of her papers

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, and like, the problem is that every week

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<v Speaker 2>I have like a new subject where I'm like, but

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<v Speaker 2>what if I dedicated three years of my life and

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a book about this, you know, but someone should.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so impressed and also like the fact that she

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<v Speaker 3>remained still kind of hopeful the whole time, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and to the very end, just having I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>still having some faith in humanity is kind of incredible

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<v Speaker 3>considering like the time period she lived through, the space

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<v Speaker 3>and time she was moving through as a black woman. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and to still get out on the other side and

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<v Speaker 3>be like, yeah, life is good and we can still

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<v Speaker 3>fight for better stuff is.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible in her nineties, no, I know, and like, I

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<v Speaker 2>know the future will be even better. I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I think I'm hopeful for a living,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, hope in twenty twenty six is like the

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<v Speaker 2>what year it does. I think is like some Mariamkaba style,

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<v Speaker 2>hope is a discipline, Like this is a I am

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<v Speaker 2>committed to believing that a better world is possible as

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<v Speaker 2>a in the same way that a soldier is committed

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<v Speaker 2>to the idea that every battle is winnable because the

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<v Speaker 2>only other option is to expect to die. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm like, I can hope in her hope that

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<v Speaker 3>her hope is right about Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we could like zoom out even further, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but like if twenty twenties America is like nineteen thirties Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hate to say it, but you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a thing that is on people's minds, right, the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forties is worse, nineteen fifties is better. So it's like, nah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was kind of grim, But you know, she lived

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<v Speaker 2>through two World wars.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the through line right in all of the up

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<v Speaker 3>and down is that there were never not Charlata's like

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<v Speaker 3>doing that work totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's what we got for you this week.

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<v Speaker 1>My dogs have decided it's playtime.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, it's it's playtime, and everyone should listen to

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<v Speaker 2>Christ and Congress podcasts and everyone should already listen to

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<v Speaker 2>my podcast. You already do. And everyone should buy Bridget

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<v Speaker 2>Todd's book. And that's what I have to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, heck yeah, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye Ron, Bye, Goodbye.

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