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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: Morning, everybody in Steve j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne

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Speaker 4: We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building, indeed, boxing

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Speaker 3: legend and icon, Andre Ward. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: happy to be here. Now you're feeling I'm good man,

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Speaker 3: happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm good man. I'm juggling, you know, but it's

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Speaker 1: all good. I'm working it out well.

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Speaker 5: I hope you all read Andrea Ward's book Already Killing

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Speaker 5: the Image of Champions, Journey of Faith, Fighting and Forgiveness.

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Speaker 5: You've always been like notoriously, you know, private with your

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Speaker 5: personal life to a certain extent. How did you know

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Speaker 5: now was the time to reveal it all in the book?

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Speaker 1: Man, It's been it's been a it's been a few

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Speaker 1: years coming, you know. You know, I've said it many times,

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Speaker 1: you know, promoting this book, like I'm an eighties baby,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I was raised to not share my business,

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Speaker 1: my family's business, you know. And it's it's not about

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Speaker 1: this day and age because people overshare that. People think

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Speaker 1: that like being private is some weird. You know, some

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Speaker 1: some sneaky about you with you hi, and it's like, nah,

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Speaker 1: that's a superpower to like keep my business to myself

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Speaker 1: and I and I share it. So but as I'm

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Speaker 1: getting in the game and I'm mentoring a lot of guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to tell I'm like, bro, I

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Speaker 1: understand what you're going through. I've been there, done that.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, nah, you've always been like this. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, nah, bro, like I'm telling you, I did

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Speaker 1: more than you. So I started getting discontent and start

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Speaker 1: feeling like, man, they don't have the full story. And

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my pastor man and he was like, Dray,

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Speaker 1: you got to kill the image. And I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: you mean. He was like, Nah, who you are is real,

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Speaker 1: but it's not who you've always been. You can tell

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Speaker 1: that story now for people.

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Speaker 3: That don't know who andre Ward is and how you

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Speaker 3: got in the box, and break that down a little bit.

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Speaker 4: What got you into boxing? What made you love boxing?

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Speaker 1: My daddy, My daddy, I was My first love was baseball.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was a picture on the short stop,

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Speaker 1: but I was always competitive, always, you know, just competitive,

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Speaker 1: like I'm a sore winner and a sore loser. And

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Speaker 1: my daddy started telling me about his amateur careers. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was at fifteen of ois a heavyweight. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what you mean you box? And my dad, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I said, he raised me as a single parents.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to do it. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: think about it. And that was like, that was the

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Speaker 1: first seed. That was song and my dad being my dad,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I talk about this in the book.

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Speaker 1: You're like, and we're gonna do it. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: it right, You're not gonna quit. But the first day

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Speaker 1: I walked in that gym, man, it was love at

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Speaker 1: first sight. And I didn't even really understand what that was.

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Speaker 1: I just knew the sights and the sounds, the speedbag,

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Speaker 1: you know, hearing people ha ha ha, hitting the bag

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Speaker 1: and sparring. I knew I loved it. I knew I

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Speaker 1: loved it. I wasn't very good when we first started.

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Speaker 1: Was hard on you, very but that's why my dad

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Speaker 1: couldn't train me. You know. My dad was you know,

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Speaker 1: he was all or nothing. You know, I told you

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Speaker 1: to get your ble bleep, hands up, man, just what

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Speaker 1: you're doing? Move your head and me I would shut down.

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Speaker 1: I don't respond to that. And shortly after I started,

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Speaker 1: we met Virgil, my godfather, lifelong trainer, and Versese had

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Speaker 1: a different finessa body. You know. He would he would, hey, baby,

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Speaker 1: to that. So my dad was wise enough to pass

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Speaker 5: We don't hear those stories enough about single fathers. Yes,

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Speaker 5: how did that impact you? Not have a mother in house?

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Speaker 5: You always hear about having a father now.

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Speaker 1: Man, The good part of it was I got to

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Speaker 1: My father would always say, you know, I got my struggles.

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Speaker 1: And my father he struggled with heroin addiction, but he

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Speaker 1: And my dad will say, I don't care what I'm

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Speaker 1: That gave me a strength about me and a confidence

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Speaker 1: about me. Not having a mother there that I didn't

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Speaker 1: into a relationship, I wonder why I got mistrust and

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Speaker 1: she wasn't there. So it took me time, Charlotte Mane

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Speaker 1: to start realizing the mother woman. We talk about father woman,

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Speaker 1: and how that followed me. And I didn't realize this

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Speaker 1: lot of work, and you know, I'm in a much

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Speaker 1: definitely impacted me for sure.

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Speaker 2: How did you get over that?

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, how did you get over there?

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Speaker 4: I mean, not having a mom in your life?

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Speaker 3: Like you said, that sensitive side, that nurturing inside because

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Speaker 3: you know Dad, especially in that.

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Speaker 4: Era, is you full get your ass back. You better

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Speaker 3: That was Dad's back then, but you didn't have that

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Speaker 3: other side of Mom said, well, let me let me

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Speaker 3: hug you, let me hold up, so let me make

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Speaker 4: So how did you get over it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing is just identifying what it was.

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Speaker 1: Took a lot of une to get there, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because I'm you know, I'm not trusting

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Speaker 1: and I'm blaming her. I'm not you know, loving her

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Speaker 1: just took me. You know, really, when I crossed over

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Speaker 1: gave my life to God, I started really being able

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Speaker 1: and then remember the struggles that my dad had, Like man,

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Speaker 1: my dad struggled with this too. And then getting around

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Speaker 1: you know, they say a few good me and my

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Speaker 1: and just them helping me identify certain things and talking

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Speaker 1: through that stuff. And for me, when I talk through

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Speaker 1: things with the right person, it's cathartic. It's it's therapeutic,

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Speaker 1: like even writing a book, Like it's a lot of pain,

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Speaker 1: you pulling off old scabs and old wounds, but the

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Speaker 1: end is it is good. So really just identifying what

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Speaker 5: I wonder how did that how you talking about your wife,

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Speaker 5: but I'm talking about this relationship with women period? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: how did that affect you? Not having a mom? How

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Speaker 5: did you look at women like throughout your whole life?

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Speaker 1: Man? Like I said, it was just distrust and mistrust.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Did it ever come to a point like where your

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Speaker 7: She just always very patient and understood from the jump.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we went at it for sure. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know you got to realize too. We started

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Speaker 1: First child sixteen years old, second child eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: And I'm living with Verge. Like I said, my godfather,

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Speaker 1: it and vergis sit us down, this is how you

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Speaker 1: want to carry yourself as a wife, and as a

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Speaker 1: taking her side, Like, why you're always taking her side? Nah,

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Speaker 1: you said, listen, I'm trying to I'm trying to help you. Man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you're supposed to carry yourself. Now,

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Speaker 1: Then he get on me, man, you need to stop

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Speaker 1: reacting like that. Bro, you tripping. It was that type

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Speaker 1: of counseling that we had that wasn't even like formal counseling,

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Speaker 1: He would sit us down to educate us about what

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Speaker 7: And this is as growing up as teenagers, y'all grew

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well she is from Seattle and I'm from the Bay.

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Speaker 1: And my half brother, I don't call him my habits

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Speaker 1: my brother. But you know, we got different different moms,

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Speaker 1: I went to go visit him. I met her. That's

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Speaker 1: how we locked in, and you know, I talk about

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Speaker 1: first sight. I'm like, man, who is that? You know?

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Speaker 1: What's her name? And we locked in, you know, that

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Speaker 1: to a point where I'm ripping and running. I'm going

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Speaker 1: up there to see you. I'm getting on Greyhound twenty

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Speaker 1: I'm with you know what I'm saying, And I know

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Speaker 1: I don't know what love is completely, but but I

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Speaker 1: feel like I love her. And VERSE said, look, man,

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Speaker 1: what is it gonna take for you to stop running

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Speaker 1: into this wall? And because we got three years bro

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Speaker 1: before the Olympics. What is it gonna take you? I said,

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Speaker 1: I want her with me, and he brought her down

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Speaker 1: and that's where we live with them, and I'm trying

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Speaker 1: get myself together and get ready for these Olympics. But

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Speaker 1: she was also there with me.

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Speaker 3: How did they know you were the one when it

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Speaker 3: came to boxing, you know, because everybody, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: go to these gym everybody like that. Everybody thinks they one.

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Speaker 3: You go to Gleasings and everybody's like that the next

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Speaker 3: How did they know that you were the one out

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Speaker 3: of all at what was the That's something that somebody seen.

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Speaker 1: leaving his office disappointed because every time I talk about retirement,

432
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Speaker 1: every time I talk about getting my freedom back, somebody

433
00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,560
Speaker 1: always giving me a reason to stay. So it's weird, right,

434
00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,680
Speaker 1: Like I knew I was gonna miss it, but I'm

435
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,080
Speaker 1: also fighting to get out of it. And this is

436
00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,520
Speaker 1: after I did this since I was nine. So people

437
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,159
Speaker 1: don't do the math. You're just thirty three, But you

438
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,520
Speaker 1: got to date that back to nine years old and

439
00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,560
Speaker 1: the toad that that takes mentally, physically, emotionally, the things

440
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,760
Speaker 1: that I missed, the things that I couldn't be a

441
00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,760
Speaker 1: part of, and do the pressure that I have on me.

442
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,879
Speaker 1: I hadn't lost a fight since I was fourteen years old.

443
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,240
Speaker 1: That's pressure. So you get to a point that even

444
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 1: though I can do this, I don't know if I

445
00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,960
Speaker 1: want to do this. Win fal covilet the second time,

446
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 1: and I knew it was time.

447
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,119
Speaker 5: When you say freedom, like, what do you mean like

448
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,880
Speaker 5: the simple things like wanting to eat what you want

449
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,800
Speaker 5: to eat, or not having to be on the training regimen.

450
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean when you say freedom?

451
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,719
Speaker 1: Boxing consumes you? I feel like it has to if

452
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna be elite. Like if I was on this

453
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,160
Speaker 1: trip right now, I would have to be doing the math.

454
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Speaker 1: When was the last time I ran? Like I eat now,

455
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,440
Speaker 1: I try to eat good for my health, but I

456
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 1: would have to eat good for performance. Right where you

457
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 1: weigh at? Well, hey man, you when you're coming back

458
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. I was always on

459
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 1: the clock, always an obligation, always on the clock, and

460
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,119
Speaker 1: nobody put more pressure on me than me. So I

461
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,399
Speaker 1: was tired of myself. I need a break for me,

462
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 1: because I know how I get with competition. I need

463
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Speaker 1: a break for me. And it's been a blessing, though

464
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 1: I miss it to not have to be on the

465
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Speaker 1: clock in the builder to enjoy my life and say

466
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't have nowhere to be. Sometimes I go to

467
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Speaker 1: the gym, the gym, I go to uh the lab

468
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,639
Speaker 1: in Sarahmont, my boy, my boy, Bobby owns it and uh,

469
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 1: they won't see me for a week. Where you at brother,

470
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: I said, Bro, I got time in. I deserve to

471
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Speaker 1: miss a week or two. If I want to miss

472
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Speaker 1: a week or two. That feels good to be able

473
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Speaker 1: to do that. I wouldn't be able to do that

474
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Speaker 1: if I was active.

475
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. You said you were

476
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Speaker 3: undefeated since fourteen. Do you feel like and I asked

477
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 3: every boxing when they going pare do you feel like?

478
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,439
Speaker 3: That undefeated category messes up boxing now where people instead

479
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 3: of fighting fights, they just they're looking for the perfect

480
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 3: fight to keep it undefeated, to keep the money coming in,

481
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: to keep the sponsorships, to keep the pay per views big.

482
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 4: Because you and Floyd kind of after the game.

483
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Speaker 1: With that, it is messing up the game a little bit,

484
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: but it's also the game. The game is messing up

485
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: the game in some respects, and the fighters are messing

486
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: up the game in some respects, right. And what I

487
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: mean is we put a lot of stock into a

488
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 1: loss in box and MM, don't do that. You got

489
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Speaker 1: cats that are still revered, respected all that they got

490
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: six to seven loss. But he's that name, he's that

491
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: guy we respect him. It's not like that. In boxing.

492
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Speaker 1: If if a young guy coming up, if Javonte davisor

493
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Speaker 1: Stevenson Debnhady take a loss, oh my goodness, they take

494
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Speaker 1: a loss. Now used to be.

495
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Speaker 4: Like that though, it used to be all these amazing

496
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 4: like nobody cared. You come back and get a rematch.

497
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 4: But now you lose, it's like, oh, it's finished.

498
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Speaker 1: So so that's part of it is the game, the

499
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: way the game responds to us. And then it is

500
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,400
Speaker 1: the fighters, right Like some guys have to fight competition

501
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: to make good money. But if you crack the code

502
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 1: and you able to have a fan base without fighting

503
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: top competition, where's the motivation to fight top competition. So

504
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: you had pretty Boy Floyd the first ten years of

505
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: his career where he had to get it out the money,

506
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: improve and show and scratch for every dollar. Then he

507
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: crossed over to money. May now can fight who I

508
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: want to fight. So the youngsters, they don't want the

509
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: pretty Boy Floyd era, they want the money May wear

510
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 1: the air. That's what the game is doing right now.

511
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: So it's pros and cons because for so many years

512
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 1: fighters took huge risk and got no money. So if

513
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm an air on the side, I'm gonna say, may

514
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: get your money, say you the best, even though you

515
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: ain't fought the best. I'll respect your hustle. You able

516
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: to get it that way. But for so many years

517
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 1: it was the opposite. So now it's shifted. So I

518
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,719
Speaker 1: think it's it's a fine line, right because everybody want

519
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: you to go fight that person right now, do this.

520
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: We'll hold on to make sure the money right, make

521
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: sure that the business hander will do that. So it's

522
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 1: pros and cons to the era that we're in right

523
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: now in boxing.

524
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Speaker 5: I think about stuff like that, right, And I just

525
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 5: used somebody like Canelo as an example. He's an all

526
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 5: time great, but then there's certain fights we wanted to see,

527
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 5: like maybe you you you and Canelo. Even now they

528
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 5: say him and Benavidez, and I'm like, well, if he

529
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 5: doesn't fight Bena Videz, do you really put that as

530
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 5: a strike against him?

531
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Really, And the Canelo fans they call me a

532
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: hater because I'm telling the truth. Like me and this

533
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: guy Canell, we never had we never looked each other's way,

534
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: different way, class, and we we shouldn't have like we

535
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 1: he didn't, And people say Canelo duck me. He didn't

536
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: duck me. The only reason why we brought up in

537
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: the same categories because we had a common opponent, Sergeykvilet

538
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: When I retire, so people start connecting the docs. Now

539
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: you fought him, fight dre now called Dre out, So

540
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't I'll never say Canelo ducked me, because he didn't.

541
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: We wasn't even on his radar, wasn't on my radar.

542
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: But in terms of his resume, it's a little website

543
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: called boxreck dot com. And if you know what you're

544
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: looking at, you can look at them, the opponents that

545
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: he fought right and people say he fought this name

546
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: and fought the name. Where did he fight that name?

547
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: When he fought him? He thirty two, he coming off

548
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: two losses. He thirty five. Cole when he fought Colder

549
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: coche Leve was cooked. He wasn't a crusher, He wasn't

550
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: the undefeated guy. He had lost that And I'm not

551
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: knocking the hustle. But you lose me when you start

552
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: seeing I'm the best fighter in the world, or you

553
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: lose me when you feel like you don't have to

554
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: fight the best. But then everybody else gotta fight the best.

555
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: Canelo is a is a really good fighter, man, But

556
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 1: you don't really know how good you are until you

557
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: fight the other best. Now, you shouldn't fight other top

558
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: guys every fight out. That's not wise and that's not safe.

559
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: You need tune up fights, you need you know, you

560
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: need them kind of fight. But when most of your

561
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: fights are like that, come on, man.

562
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 5: But if Benevidez was to beat him, now, wh and

563
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 5: people say the same thing, Oh, Canelo is older, he

564
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 5: been in the ring a long time, maybe he lost.

565
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: That's the risk you take. That's the risk you take.

566
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Speaker 4: Who's the best, the best boxer of all time?

567
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: To you? Man? Why that's come on?

568
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: And that's asking the man who's ranking number twelve.

569
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: All time. Yes, sir, it's tough that we can go

570
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: back and forth about that forever. I look at it

571
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: like who are my greats? Right? Like who are my goats?

572
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: And Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather. That's my era.

573
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm a hybrid of all three of those guys. And

574
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: of course you got the sugar Ray Robinson's if you're

575
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: talking all time, you got Muhammad Ali if you're talking

576
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: all time.

577
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 4: But why those three individuals? Why Banard, Why Floyd?

578
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: That's who I gazed at, That's who I took for Roy.

579
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm a hybrid of all three of them. I can

580
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: shift and be Bernard Hopkins one round, I can be

581
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather in the next round. I can be a

582
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: young Roy Jones the next round. That's who I looked

583
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: up to. That's who I stole from the most. So

584
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: those those are my three goats. But I'm also, like

585
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: I said, Robinson, Alex, you can't leave them dudes and

586
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: other people. Salvador Sanchez, you know Mexican fighter that you

587
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: know he died in a car accident, lost his life

588
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: very very early, great fighter. He would have continued to win.

589
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: So we can go back and forth about that all

590
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: all day long. But I look at it like, who

591
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: are yo Grace? Who are yo goats? Yeah?

592
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: I want to go back to just Canelo real quick,

593
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: but who.

594
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: So a lot of guys he in fun three times,

595
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: like maybe I just know too much? Maybe I just

596
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: know too much?

597
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: Like what's missing from his run?

598
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: He didn't even want to fight HBO. Preston made Glufkin

599
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: getting the ring after one of his fights and call

600
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: him out, so he had to respond and do that,

601
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: and most of their fights were controversial. So it's like

602
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: Canelo is a good fighter, man, But like, and that's

603
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: why even when people talk about Floyd, I don't I

604
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: never say Floyd duck this, when the duck that. When

605
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: Floyd had ten years of giving you all them kind

606
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: of fights and he still took some tough fights even

607
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: when he was getting older. But he earned the right

608
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: to pick and choose at a certain point. I'm the show.

609
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: Hasn't you gotta fight good and then you gotta pick.

610
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: Then you gotta fight a guy that's not it's too

611
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: much ducking. It is too much, man, bro. I can

612
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: go down the list like it's but it keeps happening though,

613
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: Like this guy could rise up and then he ducked

614
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: that dude. He just wants to pay day, Like, yeah,

615
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: they want to pay day. That's the that's the position

616
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: what you think to see it. So I just feel like, man,

617
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: when it's a guy that's a threat, like even even

618
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: dmitriy bev all the due you lost to you got

619
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: to give him credit for going up and wait, but

620
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I feel like he miscalculated though. That was a miscalculation

621
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: and if you the all time great, don't you want

622
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: to get that back?

623
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 5: And he says he wants three masses, But you know

624
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: it's so interesting, that's that's the keto.

625
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: He says he wants to remas. It's not gonna happen.

626
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: So you got you got ben a v there's right now,

627
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: or you got Terres Crawford. Right, Oh, there's no credit

628
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: if I fight Tarres Crawford. Well, you fought a mere

629
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: kan that was way smaller than you and you knocked

630
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: him out cold in Las Vegas at the tem Mobleson.

631
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: I was there. You didn't feel no type of way

632
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: about that. But now Terres Crawford, it's too small and

633
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: you won't get credit. We gotta we gotta be consistent.

634
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: So I'm qualified to speak about this stuff and speak

635
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: out against it because it's all kind of double standards

636
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: in the game. So I try to mind my business

637
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: and then when I'm asked about it, I'm gonna be honest.

638
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. Good fighter. Box Office got his

639
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: country behind. You got to give him credit for all

640
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: the marketing and the money man, get that. But when

641
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: you start talking about breaking down these resumes and start

642
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: talking about who's the greatest and you and you mentioned

643
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: yourself with other all time Mexican greats. You gotta have

644
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: a kind of conversation about that.

645
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: You don't think two fights are having Crawford and uh uh.

646
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: It's not looking like it, but like, but like the

647
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: Golufkin situation, if they if they press him enough, he

648
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: may give in. But listen, bro, get your money. But

649
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: at some point, every now and again, you got a

650
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: total line and so you you the next one come on,

651
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: and he's just not doing that. There's no there's no

652
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: appetite to do that. Is there any boxer that you

653
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: looked at.

654
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 4: And like, I would have loved to fight him.

655
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: Ah. Man, it's hard for me to talk about the

656
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: greats because I got a lot of respect for him.

657
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: But I would have loved to a fall Floyd. Just

658
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: the styles really my three Bernard and Floyd at what

659
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: wait though, huh at what It don't matter, just just

660
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: a just a fantasy matchup. Yeah, Bernard, Floyd and Roy.

661
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have seen my style against

662
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: their style. It would have been a mirror of themselves.

663
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's probably the three that that I

664
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: would have I would have loved to get and really,

665
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, the fight that should have happened was me

666
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: and Gelufky Hm that that's a fight that should have happened.

667
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Why didn't happen?

668
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: He didn't want it?

669
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: Scared, you would say, scared, but you you were a boogeyman.

670
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: I just think, man, guys know they've been around the

671
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 1: game long enough where you don't have to be an

672
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: analyst to be an analyst. They know this guy's a

673
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: problem for me. And I'm not a bully in the game.

674
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, he was a He was a smaller weight

675
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: class than me. He was one sixty. I was one

676
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: sixty eight. But I take stuff personal. When you start

677
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: saying that I'm the boogeyman, everybody scared of me. Okay,

678
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: then you say I'll fight anybody. I'm one sixty, I'll

679
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: fight you at one sixty eight, which was my weight class,

680
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: or one seventy five. Now you're gonna get my attention,

681
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna speak out. And then when we my

682
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: team sends you an offer, right and you and you

683
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: maybe two years from that. Man, come on, bro, I

684
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: just don't like or respect that kind of stuff. We're fighters, bro,

685
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: this is what we do. Right. You get lied to me,

686
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: but you line to the fans. You know, your promoter

687
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: he to this day when I speak about this stuff,

688
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: they get mad. All you're lying. They go crazy on

689
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: soci mean, why you saw emotional of them lying?

690
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: What?

691
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: What's wrong? I got emails right now that has them

692
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: turning down the fight. My lawyer said, they turn the

693
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: fight down less than fifteen minutes. Wow. So it just

694
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of talking, man, and then when it's

695
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: time to walk, it don't the song and the dance

696
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: don't line up.

697
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: I didn't know if Oakland make Andrea Ward the man

698
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 2: he is today. I'm be honest with you. I've heard

699
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: you talk a lot.

700
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: I ain't never heard you sign this Oakland.

701
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, yeah.

702
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Man, yeah, I don't hear it obviously, but yeah, y'all

703
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: y'all off in the east cause you're from Baltimore.

704
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: I can hear that from Carolina.

705
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: He was talking about it in back. My boy tell

706
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: you was like, yeall, can hear that at Baltimore? In it? Man,

707
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: it's just man a city, the city as a whole,

708
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: just blue collar. And you know, my other brothers from

709
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: you know, like Marshawn Lynch and many others that come

710
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: from from Oakland. Man, we just we just like, it's

711
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: really about action, bro, It's really not about a lot

712
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: of talking. That's how I carry myself in the game.

713
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. Just blue collar and you got that

714
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: grit and that determination about you. That's what Oakland represents

715
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: to me. And I love it because they say we're

716
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: a small market, but but I feel like we got

717
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: some of the best talent in the world. And I

718
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: love people saying that step boy from Oakland. And that's

719
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: what they used to say in the amateur you know

720
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: here from Oakland because you know, I'm around kids the

721
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: national You got kids from everywhere, Midwest, East Coast, and

722
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: they would always, man, you talk weird. I'm like, y'all

723
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: talk weird to me, Like, and they think California is

724
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: l A. I'm like, it's not la. I'm I'm in

725
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: the Bay. And I had to educate them on what

726
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the Bay was. I love representing my city. Man, it's

727
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: just blue collar Farler man, just get it out the mud.

728
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: Other than the accent, you know, in the getting it

729
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: out the mud, what from Oakland stage with you at all?

730
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Times.

731
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: I just think. I just think the mentality, like I said,

732
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: it just blue collar, just willing to roll up your

733
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: sleeves and work. You know, you got some places where

734
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of show, right. I think it's where

735
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: the type of people that when the lights come on

736
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and it's time to go to work, we're ready.

737
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 5: When did you realize you were turning generational curses in

738
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 5: the generational blessings.

739
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: That's a good question, man. I think when when I

740
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: start allowing God to get me together. When I start,

741
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: my eyes started to get clear, and I started to

742
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: see things right. When I started to learn what it

743
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: meant to to mour in my father's death, didn't know

744
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: what that meant. When I started being honest about where

745
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: I was and being honest about my emotions and feelings.

746
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: When I started acknowledging the mother wound and how it

747
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: was affecting my relationship with Tiffany. Like, when I started

748
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: like that, I believe that's being a real man. When

749
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: I was able to humble myself and really start acknowledging

750
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: these things, I started sensing that I was I was

751
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: shifting the pair of down the paradine was shifting, and

752
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: generationally the curse has to stop with somebody, And I

753
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: believe that God was using me and my wife to

754
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: stop a lot of the things that have been in

755
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: our family, generational even even poverty, certain poverty mentalities, And

756
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: I just believe I was helping me and my wife

757
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: to break that. So self has started with me. I

758
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: got to get me right. I can't lead a family.

759
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I can't leave my wife, I can't leave my kids.

760
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: I can't do it unless I'm getting myself together perfect

761
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: by no means. But I'm saying them blatant things and

762
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: blatant sins and things that generational things that we're talking about.

763
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I can't do those things and be the proper leader.

764
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 5: But when it comes to God, do you remember the moment,

765
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: our event that caused you to like really strengthen your

766
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: faith and your belief.

767
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: My father always gave me a foundation word. And it's

768
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: interesting because I didn't grow up in the church like that,

769
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: but my father had an understanding and he would open

770
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: up the Bible and say, man, you got you know,

771
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: I probably gave my life to God probably like twenty

772
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: times when I was a kid, just making sure that

773
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: didn't worked. You know what I'm saying and just young

774
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: and not knowing no better. But I always had a

775
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: respect and a reverence for God. And you know, when

776
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I started getting notoriety, like you know, I'm aging myself

777
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: right now. But the newspapers would come to the school

778
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: and they would want to do an article on me

779
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and my brother. My dad would be like, man, you

780
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: make sure you give God glory and stuff. And I

781
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: didn't really fully understand it, and I was scared to

782
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: do it at that time. My brother, he was outspoken,

783
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: this dude, we're Christian. I'm like, bro, shut up, bro,

784
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: like you always like I wasn't there. He was there,

785
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: but that's where it started. And but that was my

786
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: father's faith. And then when I start going through life

787
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: and then I lost him, I was angry at God.

788
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't want them to do a church. God, nothing

789
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: like you allowed this to happen. I didn't acknowledge that

790
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: I was already slipping and tripping before my dad died.

791
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: It was his fault. And every time I would smoke something,

792
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: every time I would drink something, every time i'd be

793
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: in a situation, I felt like my conscience was still there.

794
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: I wasn't completely gone, but I would think, man, You're

795
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: not supposed to be doing this, bro, And vergus to

796
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: tell me. And I talk about this in the book.

797
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Verge was not only a boxing trainer, but he worked

798
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: in a probation department of juvenile all for twenty five years.

799
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: And Verge had and has a gift for young men.

800
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: He can look at you and say something, make you laugh,

801
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: but also get at you at the same time. And

802
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: he used to sit there in the kitchen man in

803
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: East Ookland, Man where we lived, and he would say,

804
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: he say, brother, you ain't gonna get God a gonna

805
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: let you get away with nothing. And this is when

806
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm in the thick of it. And I would get

807
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: mad and be like, man, why you hainte knowing me? Man,

808
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to do my thing and live my life.

809
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: He say, look, man, I hear you, but I'm telling

810
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: you God ain't gonna let you get away with nothing.

811
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: And sure enough, I'd be in a car full of dudes.

812
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: You come here. I couldn't get away with nothing. Could

813
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: do a little bit, but every time I try to

814
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: step it up. So those things were starting to chip

815
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: away at me. And I knew even though I'm still

816
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: doing I knew, like, man, this ain't gonna last long.

817
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have a long career in the streets.

818
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm just not. So it was that kind of stuff, Charlemagne.

819
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: When I'm in a thick of my situation and I'm

820
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: rejecting him, He's still running after me, right, And it

821
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: wasn't to the point to where life was really happening.

822
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I had another child and stuff just start piling up.

823
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: I had to look up and have a conversation with God. Man,

824
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: I had I was off some ecstasy, and I talk

825
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: about this in the in the in the in the

826
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the book, and my heart racing,

827
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna die. I just knew it.

828
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: And it took that Charlemagne for me to get through

829
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: my anger, get through my frustration. When the pressure hit,

830
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: I knew where to go. And I looked up and

831
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: had a conversation with God and he sense he made

832
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: a deal with him. Man, you let me live. I'm done.

833
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry forgetting I had to And I made it

834
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: through that, obviously, And that was the start of my journey.

835
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Did it happen overnight, No, But I started softening my heart.

836
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: I started being open to God again. I started being

837
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: I started listening to Verge a little bit more. You know,

838
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: the window was closing for the Olympics. I'm probably two

839
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: years out at this point, and it was little by

840
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: little man, but slowly but surely. Man, when I saw

841
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: God supernaturally take the desire and the taste for alcohol,

842
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: drugs and everything else from me. Some people may have

843
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: to go to a program, and I don't knock that

844
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: everybody got that different stuff. But when I saw that happen,

845
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this stuff is real. When I

846
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: started to develop my own faith, in my own relationship,

847
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: and I started to sense and feel God speaking to

848
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: me and helping me, and it wasn't just my father's

849
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: faith no more. That was that was that was a memorial.

850
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I never forget that. I never forget that. And then

851
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: giving me the power to sustain me all these years

852
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: and a sport like boxing, being a young father and

853
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: a young husband like man, I'm I'm not that good

854
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: like without a relationship with God and having that power

855
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: working in my life. Oh, y'all gonna be reading about

856
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: me on the bottom of the tacker for sure. In

857
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: my mind, one part of my mind says, all, you

858
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: would have held it together, you would have been fine.

859
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: But the other part of me saying, you're not the good.

860
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: So that's the impost syndrome.

861
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's all the process that got me

862
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: to his feet and then everything that ensued after. I've

863
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: seen too much, Charla Mane, and I've experienced too much

864
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: to go back. I just have personal experience where it's

865
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: like do and I'm not the kind of person that

866
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: can just read a rule book and then try to

867
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: follow it, Like I need to feel something tangible, something

868
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: that's real. I felt that, and I feel that to

869
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: this day.

870
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 5: What made you start going into like seek therapy and

871
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 5: things of that nature. Cause a lot of people that's

872
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 5: very spiritual, they say, all, God is enough.

873
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: What made you realize I needed something else?

874
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: Well, I got great counselors at my church. I chose

875
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: to go that right because I wanted a godly perspective

876
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: with it. You know, I don't knock anybody else. You

877
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: got to know what's good for you, right. But then

878
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: it just kind of naturally happened. I wasn't like, all right,

879
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't gonna make a conscious decision. I just started

880
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: talking to my pastor and him being who he is

881
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: a wise man, they like, well, tell me about that,

882
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm all of a sudden in the counseling

883
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: session and didn't even realize that I was in the

884
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: counseling session. But I knew I felt better after talking

885
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: about it, and in him tell me, well, man, you

886
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: may want to think about that. Man, Man, I see,

887
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I know you're going through that right now, but God's

888
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna see you through. And he had vision beyond what

889
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I was going through. That kind of stuff stimulating me

890
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: gave me hope. It gave me the ability to believe

891
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: the man, I can I can do this, this husband thing,

892
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: I could be a father, man, I could be in

893
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: this career still represent God, and I'd be weird of

894
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: noxious about it, but just live the life in front

895
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: of it. I can do this. So it just kind

896
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: of happened, Charlamagne. It wasn't really a conscious decision, but

897
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: I knew I felt better when I did it. I

898
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: knew I felt lighter. I knew it gave me hope,

899
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: and I do it to this day when I feel

900
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: that pressure hit. Yeah, I have my relationship with God,

901
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: but I got a core group of brothers that I call.

902
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: I got a few people at my church I could passed.

903
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: I need to holl let you, I need to come,

904
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: what's what's going on? Comes to the house. I need that.

905
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: So I just begin to see the value of it

906
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: over time.

907
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: You think every.

908
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: Boxer should have a therapy corner where people they can

909
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: talk to because they're going through so much.

910
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, I think probably probably most probably everybody.

911
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then like everybody that you said, God sends

912
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 6: you people sometimes, you know what I mean, Like for that,

913
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 6: like you said you received counseling the church didn't even

914
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 6: know that that is where you know that that you

915
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 6: were in counseling.

916
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 7: God will send you people, you know, just like that.

917
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 6: But speaking of what ANDB just asked you, I just

918
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 6: reported a story about Ryan Garcia and everything he's going

919
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 6: through now, And we were having a conversation earlier about.

920
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 7: Should they call his fight because he seems to be.

921
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 6: You know, just going through so many things and just

922
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 6: you know, and and publicly we're seeing it, you know

923
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, how what would you what do

924
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 6: you have to say to speak to that?

925
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: Or he's in a tough spot right now because you

926
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: got this fight coming up, and and you do not

927
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: have time for self care or you got to prepare

928
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: for war. So it's this stuff is coming at a

929
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: bad time. And it didn't just come this stuff. It's

930
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: probably been going on and it's just showing itself. Now.

931
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't know about the social media stuff and if

932
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: that stuff is him, because he did put out a

933
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: video saying that he didn't have access to his stuff.

934
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: But the things that I've heard him say, it seems

935
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: I it seems off. And I'm not trying to minimize

936
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: a marginalize what he seems to be going through. But

937
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, his father was like, oh, he's just trolling

938
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: the wrong way. I've heard him say things about trolling,

939
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: so I don't believe it's just trolling. But you you know,

940
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of follower He's got a big following.

941
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: You wonder, like, man, is this some of this stuff?

942
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: But I think my gut is saying that it's real

943
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: and he's no longer able to hide it or keep

944
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: it behind the scenes. He's in a real tough spot

945
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: right now because of this fight. But I think and

946
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he should cancel the fight or

947
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: if he's gonna even be able to get through a

948
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: training training camp. It's a lot. It's pressure. Man, every

949
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: day you are great and physically mentally you taking punch

950
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: and you dishing punches. You got some type of training

951
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: session and it's not just all I'm just going to

952
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: work out just to sweat, like you pushing your body

953
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: past the limit two three times a day. That's a lot.

954
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: When do you have time to focus on yourself? You

955
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: don't and he's not. So it's really sad to see.

956
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: And it's really concerning to see because young kid with

957
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of money, big following, but it's

958
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: clearly something going on.

959
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 6: And then also with that image, a big image that

960
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 6: they these young boys have to live up to now

961
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 6: because we have the internet, we have the social media,

962
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 6: We have fan bases that are built off of you know,

963
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 6: their money, their social media, how they look. So speaking

964
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 6: to your book, killing the images that which you're more

965
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 6: so talking about, Yeah.

966
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: I think with that is just you know, by me

967
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: essentially telling on myself and sharing this side of my story,

968
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: it may kill some images that people have. Man I

969
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: thought he never man, I couldn't see him doing that.

970
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: That may do that but that doesn't mean that who

971
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I am is not real. I'm just giving you the

972
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: other side of the coin. And when you talk about

973
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: the social media stuff, that's why for me, like like,

974
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: it's not hard to create a viral moment for me,

975
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: like the way my brain works, Like I know I

976
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: can come in here right now and say certain names

977
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: and get a reaction and get more close and views. Right,

978
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: that's not how I'm wired, and I don't. I don't

979
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: get down like.

980
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: That feel free for us.

981
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.

982
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: Want to slap a co host right now.

983
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: It's all kind of stuff you can do. It's all

984
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: kind of stuff you can say. I was telling to

985
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: tape my boy tell him. I said, well, it's not hard.

986
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: It's not. I try to let any viral moment I

987
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: have be authentic, be real. But what you win the

988
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: people with, you got to keep them with. And Ryan

989
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: won the people over with sharing everything overly sharing, right,

990
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: So now he's going through it, he doesn't even feel

991
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: like he can go through it in produe. He feels

992
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: the need to like, bro, why are you sharing that?

993
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: Why you do that video? Who told you to do

994
00:42:59,320 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: that video?

995
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: Well?

996
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: I gotta let the people know. So He's in a

997
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: tough spot because what you win the people with you

998
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: gotta keep him with that. And that's the the tough

999
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: spot you see him in right now. He can't even

1000
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't even know how to deal with life and

1001
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: deal with himself offline. Too young, and you can tell

1002
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: he's not he's not been told because I can listen

1003
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: to you and hear you share certain things and say

1004
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. You shouldn't have that. You shouldn't have shared

1005
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: that now, you shouldn't have said that. Why you doing

1006
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: this at the press conference. He's young, he don't understand,

1007
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: so he feels like it's all fair game and he

1008
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: don't realize that's hurting him even more.

1009
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so interesting because when I think about Ryan,

1010
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 5: I started liking Ryan because he was a good boxer, yep, right,

1011
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: And so the trolling and stuff that's kind of new

1012
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: to me. And I feel like that came after he

1013
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: lost the tank, and it's like, you can't distract people

1014
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: from that loss.

1015
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: You just gotta move on.

1016
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 5: And I think all of this talk of good point,

1017
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 5: Devin gonna beat you up, beat you, I think it's

1018
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 5: messing with him.

1019
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: He don't want to experience that again.

1020
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. I think it is a distraction, dude,

1021
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Like like when you lose and he was all, you ain't,

1022
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: but I remember my last loss, said you ain't lost

1023
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: in a long time. I remember it, which is why

1024
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: I ain't lost. Since it's like, bro, it's like a

1025
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a death. You you mourning

1026
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: that thing, especially when it's a high profile loss and

1027
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: you get stopped away that he did you think it's over.

1028
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: We going home?

1029
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: Right?

1030
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: You still living with that? You waking up Sunday morning.

1031
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: You gotta get on your flight now that that that

1032
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: last night, what you did or didn't do. It's it's

1033
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: starting to sink in the next coming months and year.

1034
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: All you hear and see is the loss you gotta

1035
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: knocked out. Man, Shut up. We don't want to hear

1036
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: that you got man, you said you was gonna win

1037
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: you It's so he's he's in a form of like

1038
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: mourning right now. Good point about him trying to distract

1039
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: people from it. But he ain't doing it the right way.

1040
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know who he has around him to

1041
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: pull his coat tail and say, bro, lil bro, we're

1042
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: not doing that that we're not doing that well. I

1043
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: gotta tell the people, no, you don't. You need to win.

1044
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: That's how you're gonna get over that loss. Focus on this.

1045
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: But and I say the other thing too. I think

1046
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: that you were asking about you always asking about should

1047
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: fighters get counseling and different things like that. I think

1048
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: like most people should, probably all people, like I said, it,

1049
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: should have somebody that they can talk to. You got

1050
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: to be able to like life is gonna happen right then.

1051
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: Just because you're not talking about it, don't mean you're

1052
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: not going through it. But the alcohol and the drugs

1053
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: that I'm even seeing and hearing fight like it was

1054
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: a thing, but it's even more a thing, right And

1055
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: some of that is trying to escape. Some of that

1056
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: is trying to deal with the pressure. Some of that

1057
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: is not having a counselor not having a relationship with

1058
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: God and trying to deal with this pressure. But the

1059
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: only way I know how to deal with it is

1060
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: to go to the bottle, or go to the weed,

1061
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: or go to the drug, or go to the women.

1062
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: And I just you just again, I'm sounding like the

1063
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: old head. You live long enough and you just start

1064
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: to see like Man, you just don't want to have

1065
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: a good time. You running from something, and I try

1066
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: to do the best I can. I don't you know,

1067
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm not in these guys business or nothing like that.

1068
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: But when my phone rings or they reach out, man,

1069
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: I try to give them what I what I had,

1070
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: And that's the power of And you talk about this

1071
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Speaker 1: a lot, Charla Mane of telling my story, like, I've

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Speaker 1: had so much feedback about dude, I had no idea,

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Speaker 1: like can I talk to you about this? Like I've

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Speaker 1: had youngsters that I've been talking to for years and

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Speaker 1: we normally only keep it boxing because they want to

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Speaker 1: look a certain way in front of me. But now

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Speaker 1: that I revealed that, can I talk to you about this? Bro?

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this. We need somebody to talk to manly, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 5: The final question because I want people to go watch

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Speaker 5: the documentary that you the Book of Water and pick

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Speaker 5: up the book killing the image. But on the back

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Speaker 5: of the book you have what if I die? Why

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Speaker 5: did you have that question?

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Speaker 1: That was the moment that I was telling you all

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Speaker 1: about where I felt like I was gonna overdose. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the moment and for me being hard head,

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Speaker 1: at that time of my life. That's what it took, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: but it's a it's a moment I'll never forget. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope that that. You know, I just

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Speaker 1: like it's it's a lot of inspiration out there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And I think we should have people who are inspiring.

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Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta be inspired. But I tried in

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Speaker 1: this book, Charlotte main And to give a role.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I want you to get inspired, but I also want

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Speaker 1: you to have some practical things that you can take

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Speaker 1: from my life, hopefully to help you through your situation.

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Speaker 1: That maybe by reading my story you can see beyond

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Speaker 1: your situation. And I hope that the book, the book

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Speaker 1: did that, because this book would make you laugh it

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Speaker 1: and'll make you cry. It inspire you, but it also

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Speaker 1: give you, like I said, some tools and some weapons

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Speaker 1: to be able to fight your fight. People think that

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Speaker 1: fighting is just for barbaric people or people who got

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Speaker 1: that mentality. We're all fighting something and we're all going

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Speaker 1: to have to fight at some point. All of us

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Speaker 1: gonna have to toe that line and say, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: resisting this. I'm not gonna give into this. It could

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Speaker 1: be an addiction, it could be a lifestyle. It could

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Speaker 1: be family members, they could be anxiety, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a boxing book, just like I

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Speaker 1: would tell people when I was pushing the doc, it's

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Speaker 1: not a boxing doc. People always want to make it

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Speaker 1: that this is a human interest story. Man, this is

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Speaker 1: about a young man who had a dream, who almost

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Speaker 1: lost it all and gave his life to God, and

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Speaker 1: it's just been trying to walk this thing out and

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Speaker 1: do life. Just do it better than my family members

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Speaker 1: did it, and hopefully my kids will do it better

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Speaker 1: than I did it.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: There, you have it, andre Ward later, thank you for

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Speaker 4: coming brother man man.

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Speaker 2: Killing the image.

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Speaker 5: Bookstores everywhere right now, everywhere you buy books, go get it.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: And it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass

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Speaker 4: up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.