WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 115 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.960 Cool media. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.840 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.520 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.600 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.439 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.919 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.880 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:22.680 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:24.400 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.920 Bucket we Ball, all right, yeah, Bucket we Ball, Welcome 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.760 to it could happen here. We have a pretty sizable 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.199 panel today. I'm Garrison Davis. I have been forced to 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.080 watch many hours of daily Wire plus exclusive programming at gunpoint. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:40.879 Uh huh. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:45.600 My co hosts mostly Robert Evans, uh huh. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.720 We are joined by Mia Wong. I was not involved 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.360 in the kidnapping and what this is on the record. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.000 We have a sports consultant, James Stout. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.600 Hello, Hi, I'm here to talk about sports. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.760 That's right. And we have our resident, a subject matter 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.240 ex for in basketball, Sophie Ray Lichterman. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:09.039 I'm so afraid, so so. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.720 How how many of you have seen it, at least 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.160 the trailer for Lady Ballers? Because I'm assuming I'm the 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.679 only one that's actually watched this movie. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.760 I tried to watch through the trailer of Lady Ballers, 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.080 and then I had a realization that my time on 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.280 this earth is finite and precious, and so instead I 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:26.480 went and looked at a cloud. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.400 Okay, anyone else I saw part of the trailer. Do 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:34.920 we want to watch a one minute trailer? 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.280 Yeah? Absolutely, yep. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:36.720 Sure. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.479 I haven't taken on in aus troll this week. Let's 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.360 watch a one minute trailer. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:41.600 Gear. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.200 Okay, time to get black pilled. Let's do it. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.120 I'm gonna subject the panel here to the Ladyballer's trailer, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.400 which then you'll hear their reaction, do you afterwards? 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.040 Jesus Christ. So this was mostly an excuse for them 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:00.000 to like slow mo video of hitting women, right, Yeah, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.160 that was the primary reason for doing this. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.720 Yeah, I didn't need to see that whole thing that 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.280 was really upsetting. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.080 The reason why I wanted to actually show you is 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.240 because I'll never get that minute back. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.760 As what I's it's not even like it's not even 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.680 like offensive or triggering, it's just it's just poorly made. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.840 It's it's it's just not very good. And before we continue. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.440 I want to actually talk about why we're talking about this, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.480 because you know, whenever I say to my friends, Hey, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.600 do you want to come over and watch Lady Ballers, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:30.640 Everyone's like, why would you do that? 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.440 And the reason, Garrison I. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.400 Saw this twice. The reason is is because I think 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.800 it is actually important to know what your enemy is 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.400 up to. It's important to see what they think. Good 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.240 media is it's important to see how they are they 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.480 are trying to shape the world around them, and I 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.880 think fiction gets a lot closer to the actual outlook 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.160 these people have than sometimes their nonfiction stuff like That's 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.880 why Robert has done deep dives on on Ben Shapiro's 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.800 books on Behind the Bastards for years. Whenever these guys 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.720 get the opportunity to make their own complete world, whenever 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.880 they get to play as God and create a thing 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.320 that reflects their soul, it's a lot more insightful than 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.919 like a two hour podcast of them ranting. So that's 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.480 why I decided to actually put a lot of work 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.560 into digging into this movie. So I have the structure 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.320 of this episode split up into three parts. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.359 Can you stop sharing your screen? It's very distracting image. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.400 Yeah, yeahs fascinating to see what Garrison gets recommended. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.400 There is a screenshot of like all the like grab 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.920 photos from a bunch of Daily Wire plus. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.600 Unfortunately, I do have some slides to show the class. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.720 I'm sure you do. Can you remove that one thing? 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.240 You know, Sophie, Sophie, Just just to bring this up, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.960 we have Garrison's address. We could swap them and put 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:57.520 it into this. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.200 I'm not gonna answer it. I'm not gonna answer that 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.600 on a podcast. Yeah, yeah, silence. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.320 I have this episode structured into three parts. The first one, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.360 we're gonna go into just a very basic overview of 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.400 the plot so we have an understanding of what this 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.280 movie actually contains. Then we're gonna go into the production 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.960 of this movie because the actual behind the scenes a 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.560 development of this film is also incredibly insightful. And then 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.080 finally we're gonna go into jokes and ideology because these 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.280 two things go hand in hand. Both of them reveal 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.800 more about how the other operates. So first off, I 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.320 have I have the title card for Lady Ballers here 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.440 in the movie. It's not very good. And this movie 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.160 was written, directed, produced, and is starring the Daily Wire 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:46.720 CEO Jeremy Boring, So this is like, this is a wait, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:52.920 this is guy. Yes, that is the CEO. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.560 Film to have himself in What is sad Man? We 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.400 start in two thousand and eight. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.800 He is he is incredibly boring, Sophie an excellent observation. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.640 And tries to make himself look like Jordan Peterson as 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.600 much as he possibly can, and it's quite disturbing. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.040 Well, Jordan Peterson is now his employee. 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.279 So, my god. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.240 We start in two thousand and eight. Jeremy Boring has 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.200 a horrendous Tony Stark go tee which I'm currently showing 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.280 the class on my side. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:27.520 Oh no, no, that's that's a self harm level of 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:28.200 facial hair. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.200 Yeah, do you assume, man on, that's what's happening here. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.920 Ah, Jeremy, No, you have to not do that. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:35.720 Not good? 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.360 Why does it stop? Why is her little break? 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.000 I thought, that's not good, Like I said, a horrible 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.120 Tony Stark level go tee. He is the coach of 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.080 a high school basketball team who's about to lose the 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.720 Tennessee State championships. The coach gives an impassioned speech in 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.680 the locker room that ends with the team chanting the 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.560 coach's motto quote, winners are just losers who win. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:56.440 Unquote. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.760 You hear this line throughout the movie constantly. Winners are 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.800 just losers who win. This is a core part of 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.280 how this movie operates. Now, the team's able to pull 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.559 it together in the second half and coach Jeremy Bording 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.000 leads the team to victory, becoming three time state championships. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.880 We then flash fifteen years later. Coach Jeremy is failing 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.720 to keep the attention of the new generation who are 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.640 too busy on their phones to learn basketball, and is 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.479 fired from his high school coaching job. To make matters worse, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.479 he's recently divorced and his wife's new boyfriend is a 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.400 liberal who's brainwashing his daughter played by Matt Walsh, who 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.000 I have a screencap here as well. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.599 Okay, what the actual fuck do we know? The budget 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.120 for this movie, by the way. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.920 Not exactly, but it is not cheap based on how 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.279 much they paid for casting. 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:49.720 This cost multiple. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.640 Hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars. I wouldn't be 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.120 surprised if they put a few million into this. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.200 Yeah, So it's very funny that the part of the 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.000 integral part of the play is one being angry about 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.200 Big Divorced and not at all telling that. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.880 Is a huge part of this movie is Big Divorce energy, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.920 which actually will play into the ideology of the film 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.360 as well. So we have Matt wallsheer in a wig 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.560 with man bun. He's wearing like a like a like 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.960 like a burgundy button up dress, sitting on a manicured 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.720 lawn with like rainbows, flags and stuff. Anyway, so this 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:25.440 is this is who Jeremy was cucked to. Now Jeremy 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.240 gets a new job at a restaurant that happens to 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.080 be drag themed. No, there are no actual drag queens, 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.440 just men in ugly wigs and poor fitting clothing. Here 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.200 he meets the former star point guard of his basketball 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.920 team from fifteen years ago. The coach enters his former 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.600 player into a local track and field contest to win 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.560 five thousand dollars, but the men's events are full. Luckily, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.600 the former basketball player is still wearing his wig from 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.320 the drag restaurant, and. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:08:00.320 The why queen's doing continue this. You cannot question the. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:05.600 Screen right, great, okay, good to know, thank you. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.280 But the woman at the sign up table is luckily 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.400 covered in trans pride pins and mistakes the former basketball 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.600 player for a trans woman and adds him to the 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.080 woman's division. With a little convincing and some fake boobs, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.480 the coach gets the player to agree to compete in 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.520 the women's division. The guy easily wins every event in 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.240 the track and field match, as the women competitors just 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.520 scowl at him. This attracts the attention of a local 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.440 female reporter, the journalist character, who is weirdly horny for 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:44.160 Jeremy Boring, like uncomfortably horny for Jeremy Boring something. It's like, Oh, Jeremy, Jeremy, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.480 you wrote, directed, and started this. You you created this 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.440 whole scenario. Yeah, very very interesting. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.000 What else would the the made woman character do then 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.240 be horny for Jeremy? Hoh the fuck? 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.559 The journalist is seeze through the coaches scheme, but proposes 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.880 that they team up to create a national news story 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.520 by having trans women or people pretend to be trans 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.640 women compete in the US Open for the Global Games 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.640 by exploiting their new diversity and inclusion clause. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.800 Very funny that they think this is how this is 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.320 a real thing. This isn't a real thing. This is 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.120 they don't understand how journalism happens. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:25.400 You don't. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.600 You don't create the story like it is, very funny movie. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.640 He despises journalists. Well, that is how they do. Yeah, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.719 very it's very correct. They've revealed that they kind of 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.200 didn't take journalism one o one. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.400 No, the whole point of the Daily Wire is literally 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.920 creating new stories themselves. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.280 Yes, anyone what I've seen the next picture. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.800 But to play basketball once again, they first have to 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.120 put the old team back together. First, they recruit two 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.959 brothers who own a used car dealership, and then they 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.440 travel to Michigan to find another teammate who is living 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.400 ted K style in the woods after being traumatized by 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.280 an enemy team mascot as a teenager. None of us 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:04.880 is explained. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.640 They just wanted to do that trope. They just want 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.240 they just want okay, yeap. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.400 Needing one more team member, they recruit the desperately lonely 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.079 gay coded towel Boy, who now owns a mansion after 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.040 selling his tech company. After learning about the coach's plan 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.640 to play in the women's league, the team is initially upset, 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.600 but after another impassioned speech about winning from the coach, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.120 the players agree to join the Lady Ballers. The coach's 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.000 daughter stops by to explain to gender identity concepts to 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.079 them that she learned in school, like how women can 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.520 have beards just like her art teacher in kindergarten. The 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.959 Lady Ballers easily win their first basketball game and skyrocket 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.360 into fame as the first all trans women's basketball team. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.720 After their first taste of victory, they start competing in 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:57.520 all women's sports, obviously dominating every single one. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:01.840 Because these like burnout old dudes are going to be 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.200 better than every female at the encounter. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.400 Yes, yeah, that's the it's the it's the joke about 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.720 like I take the stage against Serena Williams, confident that 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.840 being a man will allow me to beat her her 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.920 past sales through my body and I die instantly. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.920 Yeah yeah, now, this, this whole winning all of the 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.560 sports section is conveyed through the classic cinematic technique of 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.319 the montage, which is just as bad as you can imagine. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.040 I have a clip from the montage here. It was 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.360 you really ashamed given that the montage was invented famously 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:37.920 by Soviet cinematographers. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:42.680 Is now this was this was definitely a reference to 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:47.080 this definitely definitely reference to Soviet era film. Absolutely voter. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.480 You're showing me fake Joe Biden sniffing this person. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.400 Yeah, it's like he's stiffing little Jonathan van Ness. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.160 So this is this is this is the gay coated 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:01.199 towel boy. Oh who was invited to the Houses International 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.760 Women's by God, and. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:10.040 We have jock and rubbing his shoulders. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:16.079 It's called the Washington rag magazine. Democracy dies in print, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:17.840 very very. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.439 Clear, really scything with insightful. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:24.880 That's such a bomber garrison. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.200 After the Lady Baller's way of success, the coach's ex 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.920 wife confronts him about what he's doing and calls the 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.440 Ladyballers not real girls, to the shock of her new 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:45.680 woke boyfriend. Sorry, this is this is actually a really 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:46.320 important scene. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:46.520 Now. 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.520 The coach's daughter expresses to him that she wants to 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.880 be a boy because she wants to be a winner 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.920 and because quote boys are better at everything unquote, which 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.760 the coach denies, but he does admit that are better 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:05.240 at all sports as well as quote driving, parking, most 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.559 of the stemfields, rock and roll, and opening pickle jars unquote. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.400 This is not played as a joke. This is played 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.240 completely straight. The coach then explains to his daughter that 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.240 girls can be better at all sorts of things like quote, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.559 being nurturing, sensitive, empathetic, being better at doing lots of 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.640 things at once, and caring for a lot of people 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.880 at once, being better at communicating and building community. And 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.440 they civilize men. It's the only reason we have a civilization. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:37.240 No women, no world unquote, which is a deeply revealing 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:38.840 a line from Jeremy Boring. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.560 Yeah, I mean that's how these yeah yeah. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.439 He then God, He. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:48.120 Then explains, So that's so boring, it's such a lame take. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.559 He then explains to his daughter that the main thing 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.160 that women can do that men can't is give birth, 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.320 and that's the special gift from God. The coach goes 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.840 home after his talk with his The journalist is waiting 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.840 for him there. He's expressing concern about men competing in 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.160 women's sports, but she rants about how divorce is evil 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.479 and threatens to cancel him if he doesn't cooperate. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:18.080 Garrison, Garrison, sorry, why is only one person in this 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:19.640 screen cap wearing a wig? 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.440 That's a great question, Sophie, that never gets never gets explained. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.840 Are you gonna show us some montage. I'm very excited 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:26.200 to see you. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.920 I'm not showing No, I'm not showing you my pirate 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.080 my pirated copy of Lady Follers listeners. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.280 There's like a screen cap from the movie and it's 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.640 the entire basketball team and all all the men are 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.840 not wearing wigs except one guy. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.360 This is actually a different basketball team, which I will 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:46.320 I will. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.360 Get you one person wearing a wig. Let Let let 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:49.880 me get to it. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.720 The people get to it. This is this is very 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.280 carefully structured plot, Sophie. You gotta understand that the genius 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.680 of Jeremy Boring is scripting requires time to digest. So 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.440 the Lady Ballers arrive at their final qualifying game, but 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.040 instead of finding a women's basketball team to play against, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.440 the opposing team, the Cowgirls, is now suddenly all made 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:14.119 up of extremely large black men accompanied by this female journalist. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.080 The Lady Ballers get absolutely smoked during the first half, 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.280 but during halftime, the coach has a change of heart. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.760 He tells the team to man up and forfeit all 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.520 of their previous qualifying wins because they don't want their 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.360 legacy to be a racing women from women's sports. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:32.960 Jesus Christ. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.320 So this is the opposing team made up of I 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.760 think it's just it's it's some college basketball team in Nashville, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.960 and oh yeah, only one of them is wearing a wig. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.560 It's it's all, it's it's playedoff as a joke. It 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.680 is all kind of racist. The female journalist tries to 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.720 assassinate Jeremy Boring with a sniper rifle, but missings because 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.960 the coach happens to lean down to pick up a penny. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.480 What yeah, abnormal Italian normal thing. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.160 I mean this, this, this makes this this. This is 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.320 the second piece of media release in the last few 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.600 months where the lesson is always take a second shot. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.240 This is also the plot of Barvel's Echo The journalist stay, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:12.840 the journals got. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:19.360 Close, Then suddenly the first player to join the lady 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.720 Ballers comes out to the coach that they actually feel 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.400 like a woman, but the coach convinces them that they 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.600 are delusional and then assaults them in the genitals and 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:29.280 walks away. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:35.440 What the why? Sorry the next why are they like this? 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.520 Every screencap just gets worse and worse. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.320 Yeah, that is a child. Yeah. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.680 Right, Before the second half of the game starts, the 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:50.040 coach replaces the Ladyballers with his daughter and her friends. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.120 The other team then helps the little because because they 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.880 don't want their legacy to be replacing women in women's sports, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.920 so instead they instead, the coach uses his daughter and 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:05.280 her friends to be like, look, women play girls playing sports. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.160 It doesn't make very much sense. But the other team 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.840 helps the little girls play the game, but they ultimately 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.600 crushed the little girls four hundred and eighteen to six, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.720 and this has played off as like a funny a 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.080 funny bit. We cut to nine months later, the brothers 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.960 used cardi. Theirship is now also a kid's sports center 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.040 where the coach is now teaching, and he has changed 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.000 his motto to quote winners are just losers who do 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:38.199 what's right. Unquote what true? What this this this is 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:39.399 the real ending of the movie. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.359 But but that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.680 any sense for the context of the movie. No, that's now, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.760 this is we're not moving past that. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.639 What the fuck? 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:56.480 That's that's nothing. I love have angreed this fucking tagline, 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.400 and they didn't take any time to make even even 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.120 coh like. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.520 Winners are just losers who do what's right because because 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.159 the Ladyballers are the real winners because they admitted to 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.040 losing its sports to do any right, which is to 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.800 not lie about being women. That I think that's what 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.560 they're trying to say, but it doesn't make very much sense. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:16.679 It's all very convoluted. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.120 Yes, I mean, my my high school basketball coach told 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.520 me to cry on the inside like a winner after 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.359 my shoulder popped out of its socket. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.160 But that's just good advice, Sophie. That's what I tell 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:35.280 everybody on Garrison started getting traumatized by the Daily Wire. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:36.080 That's what I told you. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.439 My high school rugby coach just relocated my shoulder for 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:40.879 me and told me to get on with it. So 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.400 I'm glad that we both have shoulder trauma. This screen 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.720 cap is just wow. Sorry, Garrett, please continue. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.120 So after this what's played off as like a heartwarming ending, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.199 we cut away to a car parked from across the 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:58.000 street looking at the kids playing basketball. Ominous music starts playing. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.480 It's Matt Walsh's character holding a long lens camera taking 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.080 pictures of the scene. He takes his man bun Wig off, 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.600 and Matt Walsh says quote another sweet Daddy Walsh ad 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.320 venture comes to a satisfying conclusion, the camera zoom's back 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.639 to reveal Candice Owens sitting in the passenger seat. She remarks, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.040 I don't understand how you did anything to help make 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.520 the situation any better, to which Walsh replies, don't you, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.639 and then starts doing the most forced, unconvincing maniacal laughter 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.320 I've ever heard. The camera pans down to the car's 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.119 headlights and we cut to credits, and the most sonic 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.000 the hedgehog ass butt rock plays as the film closes. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.040 So this is played as a reveal that Matt Walsh's 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.040 character was actually secretly Matt Walsh who was manipulating this 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.200 whole situation to show people that trans women in sports 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.840 is bad. That's what they're trying to play off as 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.520 the twist, ending that this was all a quote unquote 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.040 Daddy Walsh adventure. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.040 We do have a post credit. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:01.600 Actually said he actually yes, literally said another sweet Daddy Walsh. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.560 Was the phrase Daddy Walsh used at any point previously 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:06.240 in the movie. 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:11.520 No, because okay, previously Walsh was playing a liberal boyfriend. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.040 But we now reveal that was all that, that was 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.000 all part of his scheme. This was all part of 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.000 Matt Walsh's scheme. 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.080 Actually, Garrison, I'm I'm gonna need you to cut the 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.119 audio for another Sweet Daddy Walsh ad venture because I 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:25.600 think that will be something we can use a lot. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.400 That's that's closer, will I will? 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:28.280 I will ad that. 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:33.040 Here another Sweet Daddy Walsh Adventure comes to a satisfying conclusion. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.600 What are you talking about? I don't understand how anything 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:42.840 you did helped to make this situation better, don't you? 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.760 But we do have a post credit scene. In the 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.000 post credit scene, we see the basketball player that came 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.960 out as Trands to the coach in the climax of 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.280 the film, in conversion therapy, talking about their childhood to 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.119 none other than doctor Jordan B. Peterson. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:05.720 Fuck shake, Garrison, great, So why why are you doing 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:06.400 this to us? 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:07.119 I'll say this. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.000 It sounds like a movie, does it? 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:11.399 Does it? 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:11.720 Really? 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:14.560 Not a very good one? 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.560 Yeah, not a good one. But do you. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.160 Know what is really good for all of us? Ad 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.919 break taking? I think taking a quick ad break to 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:27.360 digest and think about what we've all just experienced. 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:42.440 I kind of stream into the void. But yeah, all right, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.760 we are back. Wasn't that a fun? 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.480 A fun recap of the Daily Wires hit new movie 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:53.320 Lady Ballers, streaming exclusively on The Daily Wire Plus. So 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.719 let's go into the actual production of this thing, because 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:00.520 this is also deeply revealing. So The Daily has a 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.560 sports podcast called Crane and Company, hosted by two brothers 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.600 who claimed to be former athletes. A few years back, 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.320 Ben Shapiro approached them with the idea of making a 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.520 documentary about them trying to join some women's sports leagues. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.400 This idea, however, was quickly abandoned due to the obvious 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:23.560 fact that women's sports leagues don't allow men, and the 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.280 Daily Wire hosts apparently did not want to go through 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.719 the process of transitioning and the years of hormone are 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.200 was necessary to qualify for women's sports for a documentary 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.280 that would exclusively stream on The Daily Wire Plus. 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.760 Man, I would have respected it if that had If 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.240 that had been what they did, though, that would have 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:42.680 been a different, different thing. 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.920 I will actually insert this clip here just because it's 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.480 really useful to hear them say this, because they just 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.080 admit the quiet part out loud here. 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:57.000 So you approached me and you said we should make 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:01.240 a fictional film about this topic, now'd be fair. I 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.320 think I'd actually suggested as the Grain Boys that they 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:04.120 do this as a doc. 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:04.680 Yes. 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.200 I originally went to them and I said, you guys 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.439 should like go try out for a bunch of ladies' leagues, 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.000 And that became not possible because, as it turns out, 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.879 most ladies leagues don't allow in actual men men, and 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.159 they weren't willing to go at the full distance in 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.359 terms of what it would require in order to you know, 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.240 the actual hormone treatments and everything to play in some 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:22.960 of the ladies' leagues. 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.360 But in any case, it turned into this. So there 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:26.919 we go. 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.800 A very clear admission from Ben Shapiro that this entire 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.560 premis is fake, that this I premis could never work, 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.679 And so after disproving their own premise, what's left to do? 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:40.399 Well? 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.600 The CEO of The Daily Wire and failed Hollywood producer 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.679 Jeremy Boring wanted to take this idea from Ben and 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.760 just do it as a fictional movie, because fiction's arguably 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:55.120 more powerful than reality. So for his directorial debut, Jeremy 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.639 wanted to make something reminiscent of early two thousands comedies, 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.800 and he was frequently rough frinst Dodgeball as aspiration for 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:03.320 this movie. 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:05.040 Yeah, I'm not surprised. 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.240 Which is it to be fair? Is it insults to Dodgeball? 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.960 No, that's a that's an actual movie. 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.320 Contains some genuinely funny scenes, characters. 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.480 I think script like Vince Vaughan actually is a conservative, 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.000 but he's also an actor. 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.600 I think Boring is definitely stuck in the early two 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.560 thousands as culture because that is when he tried to 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.240 break into Hollywood. So that's kind of what his idea 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.200 of what movies are is. Very much is trapped in 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.800 the early early two thousands. He has he has a 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.600 quote from that interview with Ben Shapiro, quote, There's not 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.840 been a true comedy made since Barack Obama became president. 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:50.119 Obama destroyed three things comedy, rock and roll, and America. 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.440 Other than that he was an average president. 0:24:55.800 --> 0:25:02.200 Fucking hell own strikes on every fucking rock band. 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.320 That's it. Yeah, that's why he took a predictor drawing 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:06.560 to Linen skin. It's house. 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.440 Only if only. 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.760 Jeremy Boring also remarked, quote, it became impossible to tell 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.399 a joke in the Obama administration because Obama made a 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:21.199 pact with culture shapers that they should change the fundamental 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.080 understanding of themselves unquote, and he's talking about how comedy 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:30.480 became a way to progress social change instead of a 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.600 way to point out the absurdity in the world. So 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:36.840 Jeremy decided to move forward with the production of Lady 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.200 Ballers in mid March of twenty twenty three, which, if 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.159 you are good at math, you realize is less than 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.800 a year than when it came out. The script for 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.720 Lady Ballers was written in just two weeks. 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.879 Sounds right, yep, well that I absolutely believe. Did they 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.159 use GBT? It is? It is? 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:03.240 It is possible. The entire production had to be very rushed, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.720 since Jeremy needed to be in Hungary in the beginning 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.040 of July to shoot the Daily Wires New Fantasy mini series. 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.680 But Jeremy says the biggest production hurdle wasn't budgetary or 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.480 the very tight pre production and shooting schedule. It was 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:20.720 the casting process. Every single actor they approached for every 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.320 single role. Is that is a direct quote? Said no. 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.720 Even the conservative actors who have said that they've want 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.720 to work with the Daily Wire have already worked with 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:34.639 the Daily Wire. Even canceled actors declined after hearing the 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:39.600 pitch for Lady Ballers Man, which isn't surprising because the 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:45.440 movie is not very good, So instead of hiring actual actors, 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:51.480 they just decided to use Daily Wire employees love this obviously. 0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:54.800 Writer director and Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring stars as 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.119 coach rob I'm refusing to call him that. I'm just 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.720 gonna call him coach Jeremy because that's who he is. 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.879 The three hosts of the sports podcast The Crane and 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.520 Company are three of the Lady Wallers. Matt Walsh plays 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.479 the hippie husband of Robinson. 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.520 They claim to have been like athletes, like high school 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:14.440 or college athletes. 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.440 Yeah, this is a different thing. 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.679 Yeah, I can imagine Ben Shapiro was used as a 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.560 football but as close as they. 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.159 Get, Bench Peary was the one on top of the 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.160 cheerleading tower. He's a little guy. He didn't been good 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:32.359 at it. 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.879 Yeah, we have we have Matt Walsh playing the hippie, 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:39.679 woke husband. Daily Wire hosts Michael Knowles and Brett Cooper, 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:43.119 both of whom are failed actors, play newscasters. Then we 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.080 have Daily Wire hosts Ben Shapiro, cand of Sowans, Andrew 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.239 Clavin and Jordan Peterson all have Cameo Roles, so I 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:53.000 was able to excitedly point out all eleven Daily Wire 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.680 employees to my friend as they forced them to watch 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:56.159 this with me. 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.600 Still, so the. 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.400 Roder we have mental health care through the company, right, Yeah, 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.359 we might need to get a fifty one to fifty 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.760 on Garrison just for a couple of couple of couple 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:11.840 of three day cycles. 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.320 Oh, they cleared this out of their heads. 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.480 I was actually disassociating and thinking about how one day 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.920 I hope to cast all of us in a basketball movie. 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.960 A movie you mean, a movie about the actual time 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.520 that I outshot Lebron James. Sure, yeah, that makes that 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:31.000 makes sense. 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.280 So I've seen Robert send a pool ball about head 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.680 height across a crowded once. I am sure it would 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:38.360 be very similar. 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.640 That was just a brief demonstration of my power. James. 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.800 Yeah, now you redunked that pool balls. I mean Christmas 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:45.200 to see. 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:49.000 I thought the worst basketball movie I saw was the 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.880 one on Disney Channel where they had two twins that 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.280 were basketball players but they weren't actually twins, and it 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.760 looked nothing alike and it was just really really poor 0:28:58.800 --> 0:28:59.760 production and bad. 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:01.280 But this is it. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.960 I thought there was basketball movie I've seen was Space 0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:05.560 Jam two. 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.960 But this this now, no, no, no, you loved that movie. 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.720 You talked about that movie for so long. 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:14.320 It's not a good movie. 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:15.920 So it is really bad. 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.120 So Lady Ballers was shot in less than a month 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.760 under the fake name Coach Miracle Now. According to reporting 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.600 from the National Scene, background actors and crew were misled 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.280 about the production before signing on to the movie, just 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:36.200 being told it was a basketball comedy. The name The 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.280 Daily Wire was hidden in the contracts and extras had 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:43.200 to sign NDAs it appears, the production company went by 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.360 the name Bonfire Legend, which is also the production company 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.040 going forward with The Daily Wires Fantasy mini series and 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.320 a few other upcoming projects. So be on the watch 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:56.160 for anything called Bonfire Legend if you're signing up to 0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:00.120 be a background extra for a movie in Nashville. Well, 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.360 I was able to locate the online casting sheet for 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.680 the movie and it has this description quote casting extras kids, 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:08.840 skilled sports. 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.200 Sports is in parentheses. 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.720 By the way it is, it doesn't make sense as 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.960 as a sentence. But casting extras kids, skilled sports and 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:24.440 background for a misfit Team inspired basketball comedy Misfit Team. 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.840 Yeah sure, yeah, that's skilled. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:32.040 God. I found there. I found they like the recruiting 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.760 thing for the Coach Miracle project. Oh god, there's some 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:37.800 terrible shit in here. I guess they seemed to want 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.360 to start. It was supposed to be about t ball initially. 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:42.880 Well there is there is. 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.680 There is a scene where when I see when the 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.360 athletes start entering all of the women's divisions, they they 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.560 do enter a t boll contest as well. That is 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.080 that is that is during the montage. 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.480 I guess they just couldn't give up that great idea. 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.440 Despite the on disclosure agreement, local background actors in Nashville 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.280 did come out and warn people about the production once 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.560 they figured out the Daily Wires involvement and the movie's 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.200 anti trans messaging. One extra, a trans man who unwittingly 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.040 signed onto the movie, said that Daily Wire fans from 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.920 around the country traveled to Nashville to be in the 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.760 film once they learned it was shooting in Tennessee, and 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.440 according to background actors, certain props and costuming were hid 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:28.160 on set to downplay the transphobia while shooting. After some 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:32.760 extras voiced concerns and objections to props and signs which 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.560 read stuff like baller Pride and various other kind of 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.960 like trans related jokes. To quote the Nashville scene quote. 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.240 During a break from filming, several actors voiced their objections 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.120 and were quote unquote screaming about the Daily Wires involvement 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.720 with the film before being escorted out of the building unquote. 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.360 Protests were held outside of filming locations for the duration 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.960 of the shoot. These protests also served to inform unaware 0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.280 cast and crew about the movie's messaging. Filming was initially 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.120 supposed to take place at Belmont University, but that got 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:06.360 canceled as the Daily Wires deception regarding the production of 0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.600 the film was made public. So good on everyone who 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.480 was coming out against this after they realized what was happening. 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.400 Good on everyone for protesting disrupting these sorts of things. 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.680 I think is a vital importance at the very least, 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.719 so that you can inform anyone who is signed on 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.760 to this that of like what this actually is, because 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:27.560 you know, if you're a transperson who signed up to 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.160 be a backward extra and you find yourself on a 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:34.080 Daily Wire set, that is a very dangerous place to be. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:38.120 So that is extremely important. Ted Cruz, who was an 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:44.680 aspiring actor according to According to jervy Borg in his youth, 0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:45.800 was asked to do a cameo. 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.800 Oh God, oh that scans so much Jesus Christ. Every 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.680 one of these fucking guys. 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:57.480 All of them were all aspiring movie like American in Hollywood. 0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.560 But they can't because they don't have any talent. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:05.360 Yeah, aspiring is generous. Failed would be a failed failed. 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.360 We need like a public works jobs program for these 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.600 people or something to stop them from doing this stuff, 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.400 like have them I don't know. 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.720 We need to integrate. We need to integrate Hollywood casting 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.400 agents with a system of suicide booths, and we need 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.360 to put a sign outside those suicide booths that says 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:27.040 Marvel Movie Backlot Casting or something like that. And when 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.400 these people fail out, we just send them into the 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.320 booth and tell them they got a great role. They're 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.800 going to be the new Spider Man or whatever. 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.000 Describing Canadian Hollywood, you. 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.880 Are describing Canadian Hollywood. After after Ted Cruz has shot 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.000 his cameo, he beat Jeremy Boring in a one on 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.640 one basketball game. So that's a fun fact for you, Sophie. 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:49.560 It would be a comedy. 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.280 Fact for me because you love basketball, Yeah, but nobody 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:54.400 needs That's. 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.000 That's a real case of the stoppable force meeting the 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.040 movable object. 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.400 Yeah, it's Did they have the like low hoops? Do 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.080 you think you know? The ones for children who can't 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.320 jump up to dunk on an adult size hoop yet? Is? 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.160 There's a really good line from Jeremy in an interview 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.480 that went discussing the production of this film. After shooting 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.759 a wrestling scene with a professional stunt woman, Jeremy said 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.000 that he was driving in his car on his way 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.400 home and he thought to himself, quote, we're genuinely being 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.600 terrible to women in the making of this movie, unquote, 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.319 which is the most true thing he's ever said. 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.840 Yeah, bro, but he tried to he tried. 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.560 To justify it by saying, this is actually happening in 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:38.840 the actual world, referring to men injuring children and little 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.759 girls in sports games. Which isn't true. That that just 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.560 isn't true. Grown men are not entering little league and 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.400 assaulting little girls. That's just not happening. 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.400 Jeremy of the Ted Cruz basketball game, because Ted Cruz 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.680 pass I have the ugliest jump shot that has ever existed. 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:03.440 I don't think he can jump, Yeah, exactly, he has. 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.560 He has a one foot vertical at least I think, 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:06.239 but he. 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.480 Definitely shoots like two hands like Jolty. 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.319 It's it's it's weird how much Jeremy in interviews has 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:18.200 to like reassure himself that, like this quote, this movie 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.080 is absurd, but it's only as absurd as the real 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:24.239 world unquote, despite already admitting that the entire conceit of 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.360 this movie, that that men can fake being trans to 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.360 just win all of women's sports, is just divorced from reality. 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:32.120 It's not true. 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.520 Like you this, this doesn't happen. And now I will 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.000 do one one final quote from Jeremy that made me 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.759 really upset before we take a take another ad break, 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:44.480 where he's talking about the thematic similarities in this film. 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:49.200 Quote Tonally, the film is a lot like Dodgeball, but 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.080 thematically it's much less like Dodgeball. It's much more like 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:59.040 the Death of Stolid unquote, which is so absolutely good movie, 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.160 the Death of Stall and slaps the fact that Jermy 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.880 Boring is comparing his dog shit basketball movie to the 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:09.879 Death of Stalin's darring Steve Buscemi insulting. 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.799 Yeah, you don't get to. You don't get. You don't 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.719 get to compare yourself to Armando Yanucci. If you've never 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.920 written a thing which you didn't This was not This 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:19.160 is not writing. 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:21.800 Holy upsetting. 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.800 I mean, I think the closest thing I can compare 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.960 it to is the Disney Channel original movie Double Team 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.960 to where the twins were not actually twins and the 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.960 plot was bad. 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.240 Go ahead and don't google that Double Teamed. 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.680 Let's have a capitalistic palette cleanser with these lovely products 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:46.960 and services that support my daily wire Plus addiction. 0:36:58.440 --> 0:36:59.680 All right, we are back. 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:01.759 Oh my god, Sophie's showing me the picture from the 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:05.719 Disney Channel movie. It does not look good. No, I 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.839 will say it does look slightly better than lay, which 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.560 isn't insane carrying the bar which is lying on the ground. 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:13.840 Lifetime's better. 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.160 Let's get into some of the jokes and the and 0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.400 the ideological underpinnings of this film. And I also just 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.560 have a few others random fun facts I have here 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.400 saved the the the the font choice for the opening 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.920 credits of this movie, which is not very good if 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.120 you if you look at the font for the Daily 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:37.400 Wired Plus presents a Jeremies movie which is another title 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.319 card is just a Jereimese movie, which isn't how you 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:41.200 do title. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.360 Cards for films. But whatever sentence. 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.160 No, we have just one minute into the film there 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:51.040 is your mom incest joke between two brothers. 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.600 Every time you say something, it just fucking comes out 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.239 of out of no way. 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.120 There's actually a lot of incest oaks in this movie. 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:09.480 Why immediately we have like overexposed cinematography, the white circlip thing. 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.120 It doesn't look good. We have this joke in the 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.719 first few minutes with this gay coated uh TWL boy 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.359 who's sniffing the sweaty towels from the other teammates during 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:24.800 the during the opening credits montage, they put this horrible 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:27.719 film grain filter on this basketball footage. I have I 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:32.080 have a I have an example here. Just it doesn't 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:36.480 look good. It doesn't look good. That guy breakdancing, No, 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.800 that's that's that's him doing a foul I think. 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.480 It's him doing a fucking Tim Robinson face. 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.959 Yeah, he does kind of have a Tim Robinson ad face. 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:46.360 Oh my god. 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.759 And we also during the opening credits, we have the 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.840 great line introducing Jeremy Boring. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:52.799 Very fun. 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.680 We have a we have a kids and their damn 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.320 phones joke. 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.560 With with sure, oh, I'm certain. 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.440 With phone notifications being used as a punchline during a 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:07.600 failed like impassioned speech. We have what was what was 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:11.319 first a funny joke, We have a stealing catalytic converter joke, 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:12.880 which is immediately ruined. 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:18.440 Ah ah, come on, it's offensive to Robert. 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.279 I will not stand for this. 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.839 My culture is not a costume. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.920 Yeah. 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.560 The catalytic Converter jokes immediately ruined by turning racist by 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.560 having the one black kid in the class drop his 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:36.759 cordless reciprocating saw. The movie then acknowledges the racism by 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.040 having the coach receive a phone call from his boss 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.360 telling him that it's racist to tell teenage boys not 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.280 to steal, which the coach justifies by saying the Bible 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.040 says not to steal. In response, his boss fires him 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:48.640 because you can't teach the Bible in school. 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.520 So that God, I wish it were. That is how. 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.439 That is how coach Jeremy loses his job. When picking 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:59.000 up his daughter from school, the teacher standing outside is 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.920 inaudible because she's he was wearing like six COVID masks. 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.799 One of which says, quote, we say gay, and then 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.040 the teacher goes into a coughing fit because Jeremy does 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.000 not have a catalytic converter, and Jeremy just tells her 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:18.360 to smile and wear makeup. Jeremy asks his daughter what 0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.520 they learned at school today, and she says that they 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.080 had a moment of silence for the workers exploited by 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.839 the capitalistic system when learning about the Cold War. His 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:30.040 eight year old daughter also informs him in class that 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:33.800 a girl showed her her penis in the bathroom. Jeremy's 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.080 upset at this, but his daughter accuses him of being 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:46.600 transphobic and says, okay, boomer, very very funny stuff. Jeremy 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:48.800 suggests that he might move his daughter to a private school, 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.440 to which his daughter replies, quote private schools reinforce white 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:53.600 patriarchal privilege. 0:40:53.680 --> 0:41:01.080 Unquote based base child, base child rile children hate you, yo, divorces. 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:02.760 Just such a powerful day wild. 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.640 Lot of the movies jokes are just Jereby Boring's fake 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:10.040 daughter saying like accurate, like academic level things, and that's 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:15.879 just the joke, is that she's like right, Jereby has 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.440 been coucked by a liberal hippie played by Matt Walsh, 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.319 as we've said, who refers to the coach as my 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:28.000 lover's former lover, which is which they play as an 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.440 ongoing joke, and liberal Matt Walsh talks about how he 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:35.040 likes eating bugs and vaccines to stay healthy. This is 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:38.320 this is coded as a joke that vaccines keep you healthy. 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:40.160 Whal she's not a great actor. 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:45.680 Eating bugs and vaccine to keep healthy? Yeah, I did 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.920 get that right, all right? Yeah, Now, while she's not 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.040 a good actor, he is. He is a black hole 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.200 of charisma. He can he can really only do deadpan delivery. 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.840 So watching him try to play like a sincere hippie 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:02.000 leftist is just like uncanny. But Jeremy plays the most 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.360 divorced man ever, which she pulls off fine. 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:08.920 So is she acting in that role? I gotta give 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:09.440 him credit? 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:09.640 Right? 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:10.160 What you know? 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:13.160 They say in front of Matt Walsh's house, we have 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.759 these like fake we have these fake yard signs which 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.000 I'm just gonna read quote in this house, we believe 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.720 crickets are delicious. Silence is violence. Speech is also violence. 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:28.000 No one is illegal, but Europeans coming to America was bad. 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:33.879 Guns don't kill people. White people kill people. Also, trans 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.240 rights are human rights feelings. Don't care about your facts. 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.880 Pride Month is every month. Social credit scores matter in 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.919 inclusive inclusion. The earth is literally going to burst into 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:45.879 flame any day. 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.040 I like that he just kept rights or human rights 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:53.399 in there. Can't think of riff on it. It's just 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:55.080 like human rights. 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.200 No one is illegal, but Europeans coming to America is bad. 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:04.919 So true, so true. Yes, this isn't more base yard 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.919 side than the ones that like live people actually have. Yeah, 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:12.120 you could have just outside of my house. Yeah, it 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:13.359 wasn't very funny. 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.799 They are if the fact that like twelve people in 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:20.200 this country eat cricket protein like it's it's such a 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.600 they're a baby thing to be scared of, like you 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:24.800 all eat lobster. 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:27.840 Go on. 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:31.560 I'm saying, you know, yard sides could be improved, is 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:32.240 what I'm saying. 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.640 They couldn't even get like a cab on that, Like 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:37.919 it seems like there's some really easy things. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.600 They don't really have anything related to police in this 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:41.200 movie at all. 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:43.239 Maybe that's what I'm getting mad about. 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.160 Jays at the Coach's new job at the drag themed 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.960 restaurant Jeremy Boring has to like put on drag and 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.320 then reflects on sexual harassment by saying, quote, I didn't 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.800 know men could be so handsy. He then sexually assaults 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:00.320 a female barkeep immediately after finishing that sentence, which I 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:01.880 guess is like played as a joke, but he like 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.840 he likes he like slaps of a female barkeep on 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:10.239 the butt after reflecting on sexual harassment. When reflecting on 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.600 his life since two thousand and eight, the coach says, quote, 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.399 I've stayed the same and the world has changed. One day, 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.880 it's all about winning. The next day, they want you 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.600 to lead from behind. Don't be so mean to kids, 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:23.920 don't push them so hard, don't make fun of losers. 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.319 How are you supposed to win that way? Unquote? It's 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.200 just an interesting look at Jeremy Boring saying like he 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.160 is trapped in two thousand and eight and the world 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.840 has moved on, but he is still there, which I 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:39.239 think is totally true. Him, Ben Shapiro, all of them 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.080 are trapped in two thousand and eight and the world 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:43.680 has moved on, and they are unwilling to learn and 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.680 grow and change. His people and this is just just 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.520 a really interesting admission of that fact. 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:52.120 I think it's an interesting thing here too, with like 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:56.640 the way that this, this, this kind of like this 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.160 this has to do with also the like the why 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.239 they're so obsessed with college campuses, but the way that 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:07.959 they're like they're stuck in high school sports. Oh yeah, 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.560 it was just like this powerfully American thing, like no 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.960 one else in the fucking world cares about high school sports. 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.640 Like no one, I mean, real people don't care about 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.440 any sports. 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:25.759 Wrong, the core of my existence, it is it is 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:29.440 like a reactionary nostalgia like like it is it is. 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:33.320 It is a very like like a hontological reactionary conservative drive. 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.640 I also want to point out that that laugh that 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.160 Robert just did, the little evil laugh he just said, 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.040 is what they were trying to go for at the 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:40.800 end of that movie. 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.239 And I know, I know, look, look what they have 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:45.520 to do to mimic a fraction of my power. 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:53.200 Spending millions of dollars the whole dog Shit Cast Dogship 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:53.959 Basketball movie. 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:54.799 Mm hmm. 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.920 So, like many of the Daily Wire Zone staff, the 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.960 the the cacharacter of the former high school basketball player 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.080 was also an aspiring actor, but wasn't able to succeed 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.200 because quote, it turns out white males of non exotic 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.319 sexualities is the only ethnic group not being cast by 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:12.320 Hollywood these days. 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:12.920 Unquote. 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.000 Yeah, man, I haven't seen a white guy in a 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:19.760 movie in forever. Nope, just go to La No white dudes. 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:21.080 I love that. 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:24.040 Like one of the wokest movies of last year, the 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.319 D and D movie still had a white guy as 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.920 the main character, Like it's they're all over the place. 0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:35.399 Not to mention a white guy sports movie, very uncommon, like, yeah, 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:35.719 come on. 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.040 I just love the turn of phrase non exotic sexualities 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.040 and then referring to that as an ethnic group. 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:43.560 Yes, that. 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:48.200 Makes the sexuality exotic. 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.360 We then have a joke quote I heard Disney was 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.000 going to make the new Snow White a neurodiversion black 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:57.440 lesbian unquote, which is just Jeremy being mad about the 0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.160 new Snow White movie because he's trying to make his 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:00.200 own snow. 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:05.440 Oh god, yeah, that is it about cocaine. Uh oh 0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:09.319 probably mm hmm. I can see that. Divorced dad on 0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:10.520 cocaine'll be it'll be great. 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:11.560 Absolutely. 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.560 Yeah. I hate my kids and I love cocaine. That's 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:15.520 the entire script. 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.360 When referencing white men, Jeremy says, quote, it wasn't that 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:22.319 long ago when we were champions, winners. 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:22.960 Unquote. 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.759 I mean you never were, Jeremy. 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.080 Just learn how to cry on the inside like a 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:30.040 winner like the rest. 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.239 Yeah, Jeremy, Yeah, there's plenty of white men who are 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.560 champions at various things, just not you, because you're a 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:38.600 fundamentally disappointing person. 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.080 When the coach is fighting with a woman at the 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.359 track and field sign up table, the woman threatens him 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.520 with a taser and says I will tase a white man. 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.000 When the former basketball player runs up to check on 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.960 the coach after he's tased, the woman says, holy crap, 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:58.080 I taste an ally, after which, after getting his player 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.080 listed in the woman's division, Jeremy says quote, I was 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.160 happy we could get this worked out without without having 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.160 to get social media involved, to which the woman at 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.359 this signup table, to which the woman at the signe 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:11.239 up table says, quote, please, I have a family and 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:15.920 a queer dog. It's very funny, very funny stuff. 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:20.240 Fuck all right, well really upsetting me? Please? 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.040 We then continue this is we have, we have, we have, 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.360 Jeremy saying lines like do you know how much faster 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.080 a man past his prime is than a female athlete 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.040 and not. 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:38.239 Not faster, not like I'm sorry, I have been sorry. 0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.040 We also have high school boys could run faster than 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:47.600 world record of female sprinters on no, they can't stop. Like. 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.719 Also for just say you hate women, just say you 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:51.560 hate women. 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.560 This is yeah, Sophie, you were actually you were actually 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:57.919 stumbling across the actual ideological core of this movie, which 0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:58.760 is just hating women. 0:48:59.000 --> 0:48:59.960 Yeah that makes sense. 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:04.319 Hating women, hating trans women, just being hateful. Yeah, yeah 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.440 at sport and wishing you didn't suck at everything you 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:08.960 try and do. 0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:13.280 Yeah, they put they put a horrible digital video filter overall. 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:19.280 By the way, the fastest female marathon runner tickets, Essepha 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.880 from Ethiopia, did it in two hours and eleven minutes, 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:24.080 in fifty three seconds. 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:24.920 I will. 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.759 Give you to throw some random high schoolers at that 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:33.440 record and see if they can beat it. I do. 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.080 I do hope that somewhere on the internet there is 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:40.080 data of Ted Cruz is athletic. 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.600 Uh, go ahead, I. 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.520 Want to see Matt Walsh try to do a two 0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:48.719 hour and eleven minute marathon because his heart will explode. 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.279 But also I want to know Ted Cruz's times from 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:51.840 high school. 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.520 That's got to be s yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.239 What kind of fucking track runner were you? 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.959 Yeah yep, yeah yeah yeah. 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.800 And they're they're right that, like the fastest males are faster, 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:06.080 but the fastest male marathon is faster by like eight minutes, 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:07.120 nine minutes. 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.799 Well, like testosterone is a massive performance enhancing druck. 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:13.560 Yes, but it's not like the way they're saying. We're like, well, 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.919 any man could beat the best women. No, very few 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.920 people can do a two hour and eleven minute marathon. 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:24.320 Yeah. Like, even when I spent most of my twenties 0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.880 being paid to exercise, I trained all the time with 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:30.839 ladies who were also like paid to exercise right when 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.719 we were. When I was racing bikes, I trained with 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.920 women who are pro racers all the time. Women who 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.759 are very good at sports are just very fucking good 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:41.000 at sports. Like, even men who are professional athletes are 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.360 gonna be on their level. 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.400 Most professional athletes can't do a two hour and eleven 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:49.640 minute marathon. Only like people who are really fucking good 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:50.320 at marathon. 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.879 Make sure you could lap this guy that is high 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.319 school Ted Cruz, Yeah, magnificent. 0:50:57.719 --> 0:50:58.680 So we have. 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.960 We have this reoccurring Joe with these two newscasters played 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.359 by two of the daily wirehouses. Throughout all of the 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.800 news footage, there's a horrible like fake like digital video 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.600 filter just overlaid on the footage. It looks really ugly, 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:16.160 and the newscasters keep saying brave and beautiful trans women, 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:20.000 as if they're being forced at gunpoint to acknowledge that 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.800 trans women exist. There is a few bud light jokes 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:27.439 in there. We have a joke about Jeremy stealing most 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.160 of the winnings from the track and field contest. When 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.360 the journalists character is called out for transphobia by the 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.520 coach when she accuses the athlete of faking being a woman, 0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:38.840 she responds by saying, quote, save it. I'm a journalist. 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.080 I literally cannot be shamed, and then and then says 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:43.719 that you can only be a woman if you get 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:47.320 menstrual cramps, which is really funny because this is actually 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.680 one thing that happens. If you go on HRT for 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:53.319 long enough, you actually do start getting menstrual cramps. So 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.799 the actual line she has about only real women have 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.400 menstrual cramps is one of the things that HRT actually 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.840 does does give you, which is just kind of funny. 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.640 I love the idea as well, Like before you enter 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:11.480 the women's basketball game, you have to provide evidence of 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.520 your menstrual cramps. In order to be able to compete, 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:19.200 you have to provide empirical proof of cramp. Cramp inspector 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:19.880 has arrived. 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:24.360 The journalist also says quat men are stronger, faster, meaner. 0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:27.760 Soon all of the best women will be men, cheating 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:28.839 low life men. 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:33.279 But after after the. 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.200 First meeting between the journalists and the coach where they 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:38.000 agree to work together, the journalist invites the coach home 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.080 and Jeremy gets them doombed. This is this is This 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:44.080 is a reoccurring bit in the movie that Jeremy gets 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:47.680 femdammed by this journalist. I'll believe that I have I 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:52.359 have a screenshot here Jeremy tied up in bed. 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.400 This yeah Jesus Christ. 0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:54.960 Yeah. 0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:57.920 When trying to get their old team back together, they 0:52:58.040 --> 0:52:59.959 learned that the one black guy from their old team 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.160 was found dead with a hole in his head due 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.360 to a laser from space. I think this is a 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:09.600 Jewish space laser joke. It's not explained why. Yeah, wow, 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:10.960 what is. 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:13.640 What? 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:18.239 I don't know. I can't say it's a joke there, Yeah, 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.919 I have this information you do here? I can't. I can't. 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:22.680 Do you think I feel like they had to take 0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:26.640 the anti Savaitines and Bucks need that a black man died? 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.360 Is that literally the whole joke? 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:31.920 And he was probably he probably got killed from a 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:36.520 from from a laser in space, And why that is 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:37.279 all the joke is? 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.640 That's okay? 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.399 Also, just looking at this screencap on this photo, why 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.160 is it decorated with like urban outfitters like lighting because 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:47.920 she's a journalist. 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.640 Oh yeah, Seffie, you don't have an outfit's room in 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.000 your house. You didn't get one from the from the 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.280 journalists in Union, No I was. I was not provided 0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:02.640 a Neon love light. Oh yeah, I got one of them. 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.399 He's on. On my return from Syria, I get another one. 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:08.520 The movie is full of stock footage and a lot 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.720 of royalty free music, and there was there was literally 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:15.000 a Jeremy's Razors commercial shoved in the middle of the movie, 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:18.040 alongside a whole which of the other Daily Wire product placement. 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:21.160 If you didn't know, Jeremy Boarding started his own razor 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:24.799 company after Harry's Razors dropped their ads on the on 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.200 the Daily Wire, so he started his own razor company. 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:30.120 He also started his own chocolate company, both of which 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:33.880 have product placement in the film. But Jeremy's Razors has 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.319 a whole like ad just edited into the middle of 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.600 this movie. I think this is like a Wayne's World reference, 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:40.800 but it's hard to say. 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.640 Yeah, there is that. I think you're right there. 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:47.320 There is a rape whistle joke, just a joke saying 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.200 that rape whistles exist, and that's the joke. And then 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.080 when the coach's daughter explains gender theory to the lady ballers, 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.600 we get a fantastic series of shots depicting a gender 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:59.359 conspiracy board red string connecting terms on a whiteboard such 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:03.200 as demi boy, demi girl, paraboy, which I I actually like, paraboy. 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:07.280 That one's pood when you're a boy with a parachute, 0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:09.719 L TB T Q I A plus A, B, C, 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:11.520 D E, F G, etcetera, et cetera. 0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:13.640 We have the word panda as a term. I don't 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:14.320 know what that means. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:17.680 F ten heard of that one, f T M mt f. 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:22.440 A fab amab other non binary pan sexual saxo sexual, 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:23.480 I don't know what that is. 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:26.680 They have one who just fox Anglo saxons. 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:28.800 Because of saxophone, maybe a saxophone. 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:32.000 I finally found a type of homophobia that I approve of. 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:37.200 They have saxo sexuals. Stop at the center of the 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.840 gender conspiracy board. They just have frogs, which is I 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.560 guess in Alex Jones joke. But here is the picture 0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:44.680 of the gender conspiracy board. 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.160 Lots of the lots of the red string on this 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.959 board just connected nothing, It's just red string. 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:52.839 Yeah, that's a bad conspiracy board. I've made a lot 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.680 in my life and that one's not very good. 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:55.480 Sod. 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.480 Also, it's really lame to do it to make like 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:02.960 a whiteboard, your your board, like get cut out pictures 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:06.359 and bits of like text and stuff from from printouts 0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:09.160 and nail it to the wall, you know, like actually 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:09.560 go the. 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.239 Extra mile, basic ass whiteboard. 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.840 That looks like something someone makes for a movie, not 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:18.000 something a crazy person makes in the throes of paranoia. 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:21.160 Like come on, so I'm just going to speed run 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:22.120 the rest of these. 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:23.880 Come on, hit me. 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:26.399 We are we're getting we are getting a little log. 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:27.400 Yes. 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:31.080 When one player asks what is a woman, another response 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:33.440 by saying just shave your legs, tell each other how 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:36.160 brave you are for things that require absolutely no physical courage, 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.080 and don't be afraid to cry at work. 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:42.399 Unquote, yeah, all things I do as man actually about 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.360 you are as I've established, crying the into like a winner. 0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:48.840 There is a part of a part of their ongoing 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:53.359 newscaster segment they get increasingly more racist costumes after being 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.400 forced to go on two weeks of sensitivity training. Michael 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.960 Knowles's character learns that they are quote a raging scoliosexual 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:04.880 and also one and two thousand and forty eight percent Dakota. 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.080 So he says, I know what it's like to overcome diversity, 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:11.319 and then the other newscaster says that her old name 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.200 is her slave name. She is a white woman. These 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:17.280 costumes only get more racist the more filmed on Jesus 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:20.600 goes on. As the lady ballers enter onto the court 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.520 for the first time, all of the seats are empty 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:27.760 because quote it's ladies basketball boys. Nobody watches during their 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:28.360 first game. 0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:31.240 That's the thing, right, I just say, all these people 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.600 who are suddenly so fucking concerned about women's sports manifestly 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:37.760 do not give a fuck about women's sports. Right, correct. 0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:40.000 You weren't there when the prize money was shit. When 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.720 people are being secretly assaulted by their coaches, you don't 0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:45.280 give a fuck. It's just a vehicle for transphobia and 0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:48.080 just a behaicle teansphobia and how much they hate women. 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.800 During their first game, the lady ballers keep whispering in 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:52.560 the ears of the players from the other team that 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:56.160 they're lesbians, some of whom are revolted, some of whom 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.360 are turned on by this. Referee Ben Shapiro, in a 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:03.160 cameo role, Oh good, says keep it clean, keep it 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.840 tucked to the players as they start their first game. 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:08.800 The game is full of constant fouls as the male 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:13.240 players just flagrantly assault the other team. The stands start 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.440 to fill up the longer the game goes on, and 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.320 someone in the audience says, this is great. It's just 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:21.120 like watching men's basketball. This is just a reoccurring bit. 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.840 Is that, like all of the footage of basketball with 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.440 like men versus women, it's just the men like assaulting 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.240 women during playing and just like doing like fowls. They're 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.160 not actually playing basketball, they're just like punching women and 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:37.640 stealing the ball and like that's that's how they play. 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:40.520 One of the ladyballers feel a little guilty after winning 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:43.000 their first game after seeing a woman on the other 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.240 team cry, and then in the locker room he says 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:47.600 to the boys, quote, aren't we just using our innate 0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:50.360 strength and speed to wail on a bunch of girls 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.360 in a competition where we wouldn't stand a chance against 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:54.280 other men? But then he gets a notification that he 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.760 got a brand sponsorship and then changes his mind. The 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.440 other lady ballers gets invited to Nike commercials and to 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.000 speak at the White House on women's rights. The journalist 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:05.840 calls this the virtue economy. After their first win, the 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.320 journalist is about to fuck Jeremy Boring in the locker room, 0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:10.640 but stops and says, the last thing I need is 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.720 another abortion this year, and says, do you know what 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.640 it's like to be a female field reporter in the 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.560 twenty ninth biggest media market? Which I don't understand how 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:20.880 that relates to the abortion. It's not very funny. Here's 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:23.560 a screenshot from the wrestling bit where you see, yeah, 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:27.800 totally a totally real weight class distinction between a guy 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.200 who's like over two hundred pounds and a woman who's 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:32.960 like one hundred and forty pounds. Totally how sports works. 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:35.840 Oh sor the guy doesn't look very familiar with the 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:37.160 ways and means of wrestling. 0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:40.960 No, the two brothers enter a woman's shower together and 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:44.480 say one small step for dudes, one giant leap for lesbians. 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:47.880 The joke is that men are gonna sexually assault women, 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:51.000 I guess, which again is only more revealing about how 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:55.720 these guys think about women. During the victory montage, almost 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:58.080 all of the basketball gameplay is just the men assaulting women. 0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:00.520 We have lots of fowls and slow motions, shots of 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:04.280 like men's dicks and crotches colliding with the female players faces. 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:07.520 That's that's most. That's most of the footage. 1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:11.880 Yeah, yeah, most of the footage that I'm sure boring 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.360 watched over and over again. In slow mom. 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:18.040 We have a lot of dead naming jokes. We have 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:22.040 one transage joke about how the towel boy can now 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:25.520 relive childhood as a girl and compete in girls Little 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:28.600 League baseball, in which he gives the eight year old 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:33.840 picture a concussion. There's a joke about how girls have 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.960 sex with each other at sleepovers, which leads to an 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:40.960 incest orgy. That's that's just a reoccurring side plot, is 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:42.400 this incest orgy joke? 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:45.200 Oh my god, Jeremy. 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.520 Boring says to his ex wife when his ex wife 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:50.560 is complaining to him about all of his deception, he says, 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:54.560 my former lover the turf. And that's that's played as 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.240 a joke. Here's more of these increasingly racist costumes. 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:04.000 My god from vocals and for sake and fucking stop, 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.360 oh my god, pretty man. 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:15.280 Fuck So yeah, wow, Garrison look so embarrassed for these people. 1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:17.640 Yeah, they don't look like they're having fun. 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:18.120 They just. 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:21.960 Uh anyway, I have I have a few more of 1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:23.600 the incest jokes written down, but I don't think I 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:24.280 need to read them. 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:27.600 Yeah. The journalist character constant. 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.560 All of the journalists throughout the film, including these two 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:34.160 newscasters and the main journalist character, constantly make fun of 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.440 and insult people who have kids. This is like the 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:40.920 Daily Wire making some point about how like journalists hate families. 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:41.720 I think it's. 1:01:41.920 --> 1:01:45.600 Kind of un because they pay us like shiit so 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:47.400 like we're all too poor to have children. 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:50.080 So that's that's all the jokes. Now I'm gonna get 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.640 to like my actual end thesis on des No, but 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:53.280 I think I. 1:01:53.200 --> 1:01:55.240 Think you do have a good theory there that like 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:57.360 this is this might be set up to start like 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:02.840 a Matt wash some kind of like cinema. 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:04.160 Because we have the final shot of Matt Walsh actually 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:08.880 orchestrating the whole thing. Anyway, So the actual ideology of 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.560 this film is that men are better at almost anything 1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:15.840 that requires skill, but women are maybe better at like emotions, 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.240 and they can make babies, and that's the one benefit 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:20.800 to being a woman. This belief was paraphrased in the 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:24.000 movie itself by the journalists character saying, quote, boys and 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:27.040 girls are different, but at least girls can have babies. 1:02:28.600 --> 1:02:32.120 In probably what's the most like extremely telling scene in 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:34.040 which many of the Daily Wire staff have referred to 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.280 as the heart of the movie, where the coach tells 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:38.720 his daughter, it's true that boys are better at all 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:42.400 sports as well as driving, parking, stem fields, rock and roll, 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:45.760 and opening pickle jars. Girls have one special gift that 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:49.919 boys can ever have, making babies. So to this type 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:54.200 of conservative women are just emotional baby making factories who 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:57.520 also serve to quote unquote civilized men it's the only 1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:00.600 reason we have civilization, no women, no world. This is 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.480 how they view women. They view women as a civilizing 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:07.040 force thrust upon men and as a factory for reproduction. 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:09.920 That is the only utility that the Daily Wire sees 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:14.000 for being a woman. Now, this scene with Jeremy Boring 1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:16.920 and his fake daughter is immediately followed up by another 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:20.560 very preachy scene in a way that really breaks from 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:23.440 the movie's pacing. The coach is talking to the journalists 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:26.680 character about his divorce and how he's worried that's really 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:29.120 starting to affect his daughter. The journalist then goes on 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.000 a very out of character rant about how, of course 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.720 the divorce is affecting his daughter. Quote, seventy percent of 1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:36.760 people in prison come from broken families. Your daughter is 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:38.560 now twice as likely to do drugs twice, is likely 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:40.400 to drop out of school four times, is likely to 1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:42.400 have trouble fitting in three times, is likely to end 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:44.960 up in therapy twice, is likely to commit suicide fifty 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:47.720 percent more likely to have health problems. Do people even 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:50.160 freaking do a Google search before deciding to blow up 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:53.280 the planet your kids live on? Unquote? So this is 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:55.520 the Daily Wire taking a break from the movie to 1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:59.200 express their belief that divorce is the root cause of 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:02.320 sidal decay. This is the other, I think core part 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:05.960 of the movie's ideology, how the fact that women are 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:08.560 divorcing men is causing most of this of the societal 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:12.640 problems that we're seeing in America. And then the which 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:16.600 is probably the most frustrating scene where we have the 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:20.040 we have the first kind of ladyballer. Player comes out 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:23.080 to the coach as maybe feeling like they're actually trans 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:26.560 The coach then instructs them to ignore anyone in their 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:29.040 life who might be loving and accepting, like their family, 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:33.520 and instead just listen to Jeremy Boring, saying, quote, you're confused. 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:36.720 I get that. We're all confused sometimes. If you need help, buddy, 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:39.280 I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna help you get it. 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:40.960 But you need to believe me when I tell you this. 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:43.240 You're not a woman. You're just a lost man in 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:45.560 a lost world with shitty parents and a shitty coach 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:48.320 who've all gone along with this lie. Instead of hurting 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:51.160 your feelings and telling you the truth, The player then 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:54.520 asks them how can the coach be so sure that 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:57.240 they're not a woman, to which Jeremy Boring then punches 1:04:57.280 --> 1:04:59.640 the player in the genitals and walks away. He has 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.240 no a for that, right. Jerrby Boring has no answer 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:05.640 to someone who actually says no, I'm trans The only 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:09.360 answer to him is to assault them. This is this 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:12.360 points at the Daily Wire is the actual ideological core. 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:14.760 They want you to ignore everyone in your life who 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:17.280 loves you and accepts you and instead just listen to them. 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:21.520 To briefly paraphrase a review from Rollo Tony, this organization 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:24.480 is built around the phrase facts don't care about your feelings. 1:05:24.760 --> 1:05:28.240 But they're telling the audience the exact opposite, to actually 1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:31.080 just ignore everyone in your life who actually loves you, 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:33.640 ignore the facts of your actual sense of being, and 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:36.240 instead listen to The Daily Wire and pay a one 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:39.680 hundred dollars subscription service to the Daily Wire. Plus that's 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:44.720 the actual point of the movie, and I this film 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:47.200 doesn't even qualify as like a parody movie because a 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:49.760 parody comes from a place of appreciation that rehiffies the 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:53.560 actual original source material. This movie is too self invested 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.800 in the Daily Wire's own micro cosmatic world to actually 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.880 even succeed in any in any sense of parody, and 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:04.040 the moral of the film is that a healthy man 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:06.200 would never want to be a woman because women are 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:09.479 so much genetically worse than men. But because women are worse, 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:12.200 we should let them have their own fun, We should 1:06:12.240 --> 1:06:14.720 let them have their own sports, because they have no 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:18.479 chance of ever competing with men in anything. This movie 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.919 can't fathom why someone who was born a man would 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:23.040 want to transition into a woman for any other reason 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:25.440 than fame and success, because women are so much just 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:28.960 like inferior. At the heart of this film lies a 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:32.640 deep hatred of women and a misogynistic core to its transphobia. 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:36.920 Misogyny operates as the film's own justification for its transphobia, 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:39.880 as the film spends most as The film spends most 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:42.520 of its time making fun of women and women's sports, 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:45.680 as it does the idea of trans people. There are 1:06:45.680 --> 1:06:48.200 no actual trans characters in the movie. The film doesn't 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:51.080 even deal with trans issues. Besides, just like drag and 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:54.480 the word non binary being a joke, there isn't actual 1:06:54.520 --> 1:06:58.160 any jokes. It's all about how women suck. That's the 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:01.720 actual point of the movie, and for all of that, 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:06.280 the actual attempts at humor just don't work because most 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:09.080 of the humor is just saying classically offensive things and 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:12.400 acting like that itself is a punchline, which doesn't work 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:15.800 as comedy because the people saying those lines also genuinely 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:18.600 believe the offensive things they're saying. It only works as 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:21.600 a joke if the conservative audience can imagine a liberal 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:25.919 audience getting triggered while watching, which isn't actually humor. And 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:27.760 the only other type of humor we have in the 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:32.000 film is anti intellectualism characters like Jeremy Boring's daughter saying 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:35.640 random like gender theory terms, and that being plays a 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:39.440 joke with no punchline, none of it actually works. I 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:42.160 mostly feel bad for all of the child actors who 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:44.400 got duped into this and all of the extras. That's 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:46.280 the actual end result of this film is that The 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.240 Daily Wire trick to a whole bunch of people in Nashville, 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:52.600 including like very innocent kids, into participating in this just 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:56.080 very low quality piece of propaganda that just deeply hates women. 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:59.760 And that is my actual thesis on how this movie operates, 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.800 and the core of the Daily Wire's own transphobia being 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:07.160 this misogynistic center and worldview that men are superior to women. 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:09.680 I mean, I will say I think they've done a 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:13.920 good job in they've they've created a companion piece to 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:16.240 Whipping Girl, where if you need to explain to someone 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:18.719 what trans misogyny is, you just show them this movie. 1:08:19.320 --> 1:08:20.400 Yeah. 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:24.040 Yeah, all right, Well, yep, I think we've said enough 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:24.439 about it. 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:27.559 Was that was a fun hour and fifteen minutes. 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:29.599 Yeah, I have to talk about that again. 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:31.480 Thanks for ruining my day, Garson. 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:38.280 All right, everybody, enjoy the Daily Wire. I guess buckety ball. 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:57.520 Hello, everyone, welcome, TA could happen here? Focusting. I'm enthusiastically 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:02.479 introducing for the third time because I've just sounded so 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:06.240 half fast the first two times that I've made myself 1:09:06.280 --> 1:09:08.880 do it again. I'm joined by my friend and your friend, 1:09:08.920 --> 1:09:11.080 Sharene Lannie Unis Hi, Serene Hi. 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:13.080 That was lovely to witness. 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:15.880 Yeah, wasn't it great that I really put on my 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:19.440 podcasting boots and you know, went back to the podcasting 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:22.400 pace to do another day in the podcast minds and 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:23.840 it's beautiful. 1:09:23.600 --> 1:09:29.000 Beautiful, Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. Yeah, 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:31.400 that's that's all I have to say. 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:34.559 As you can tell too, content creators who are excited 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:36.519 to create content. I'm glad we're not on Twitch. We 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:39.600 would we would be uh, we'd be in the poorhouse. 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:42.760 Oh yeah, it's like eight hour streams can't do it 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.519 all right, So we're not here to talk about how 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:48.720 how have we been in the podcast minds for too long? 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:51.760 Today we are here to talk about clothing in the cold. 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:54.320 Why are we talking about this? Because right now it's 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:58.200 it's record cold all across the US. It's very, very cold. 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:01.080 Because I meant to spending a lot of time outside, 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:05.759 both helping drop water for migrants crossing the border, helping 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:08.519 out in cucumber, and a lot of days just like 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:11.439 doing my recreation stuff in the mountains. So I'd like 1:10:11.520 --> 1:10:16.559 to do And I think that, like I guess education, 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:19.839 I guess a lot of people have been aggressively marketed 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:22.320 at about what to wear when they're outdoors, be that 1:10:22.439 --> 1:10:25.840 people who are working or people who are recreating. And 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:27.640 I think it's good to have a little bit of 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:32.680 clarity around it, especially as we're entering like this might 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:35.280 be the worst winter of our lives, it might also 1:10:35.360 --> 1:10:37.479 be the best winter of the rest of our lives. Right. 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:40.680 Climate change is making more and more people exposed to 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:43.280 more and more extreme weather all over the world. So 1:10:43.360 --> 1:10:45.400 I want to talk a little bit about the stuff 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:49.719 I've learned in thirty something years of playing outside about 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:51.800 how to stay warm in the cold. So that's what 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:53.840 I'm going to do. I've got this broken down, Like 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:56.400 I think, the really important thing to think about when 1:10:56.439 --> 1:11:00.360 you are picking your outfit it is obviously or your 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:04.679 colors match. It's very important, But more than that, it's 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:08.080 like thinking about thinking about outfit as a system rather 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:10.479 than as a series of individual things. And they think 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:13.880 this is where like the way outdoor companies market is 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:15.760 really bad. They'll be like, oh, yeah, this jacket is 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:18.360 bad ass, and it's warm, and it's waterproof and it's 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:22.880 wind proof and it's also breathable, and like that's you 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:25.200 probably would be much better off with three cheaper jackets 1:11:25.240 --> 1:11:29.679 in one very very expensive jacket. Interesting specifically, I guess 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:32.120 I've seen a lot of people come a cropper when 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:35.519 their very single jacket gets wet, right, and then you're 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:38.160 either got one layer or you commit to wearing a 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:40.519 wet jacket. So we're going to talk about the different 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:44.760 parts of your clothing system, what you should look for 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:48.640 and why you should pick certain things. I'll try and 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:51.800 recommend things that are cheap as well, because I know 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:55.639 that money is hard to come by and the world 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:58.120 seems to be constantly trying to extract money from us. 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:01.679 So this is based on do you know who Mark 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:03.120 Twite is? Sreen? 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:05.880 No, I don't know who Mark Twite is. But I'm 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:08.000 looking at the same document you are, and I read 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.439 his name maybe six times, and every time it was 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:12.240 Mark Twain, and I was so confused. 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:19.040 Yeah, it's it's Mark legendary mountaineer. Mark Twain is equally 1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:20.519 good for you know, if you're going on a boat 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:23.760 down the Mississippi River or climbing a mountain exactly. 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:26.200 But no, I don't know who mister twit is. 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:29.480 Mister twice. It's a famous mountaineer. He's good at climbing mountains. 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:32.040 Oh that's cool. That's cool to be famous for that. 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:35.799 Yeah, I know. Yeah, a boy can dream, like maybe 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:39.120 maybe in another life I'll not have to podcast, not 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:42.320 just be able to raise fluffy animals and climb climbing 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:45.800 a mountain sheep. Yeah, that is the dream, you know. 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.240 Every year, every time I don't want to sit down 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:49.800 and write my book and think about the amount of 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:52.840 livestock I could possibly purchase it, but lots of lots 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:57.200 of books. Dream Yeah, well one day talking me sheep, 1:12:57.240 --> 1:13:00.320 Actually let's talk about basse layers because one of the 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:02.080 things they could be made out of, showing is wool 1:13:02.160 --> 1:13:02.719 from sheep. 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:05.080 Nice, that was good. 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:11.479 Yeah, I know, I am a professional podcast guy. So 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:14.720 you basically there's the thing unx your skin right, and 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:18.200 a lot of people I think this is where like 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:22.840 people say, have you heard the phrase cotton kills? No? No, yeah, 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:23.559 you've not heard that. 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:27.400 Okay, I have not heard that. I mean I'm glad 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:29.600 you're making an episode about this, cause like most of 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:31.960 the things I've learned about keeping warm have just been 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.040 like things i've heard, you know what I mean. I've 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:37.240 never like researched what actually will help me or what 1:13:37.320 --> 1:13:40.200 will help other people, because I think like even like 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:42.640 when you provide when you are going to provide or 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:45.599 like cheaper options, that's a good thing to like donate 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:47.599 to people too, now you know what will actually help 1:13:47.640 --> 1:13:49.400 them versus like something else. 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:52.360 But yeah, totally, like I know, like for a lot 1:13:52.400 --> 1:13:55.040 of un housed people, for instance, like you'll get donated 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:59.479 a lot of crappy cotton t shirts. But those are terrible, right, 1:13:59.840 --> 1:14:02.920 the little gaps in the cotton, they get wet and 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:05.760 they stay wet, and it is much worse to be 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:08.960 cold and wet than it is just to be cold. Right, 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:14.040 And these the whole system of clothing designed by Mark Twhite, 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:18.120 Mark Twain's brother Mark White. The idea is not to 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:20.840 keep you dry. The idea is to let you dry 1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.320 off quickly. Right, So you can get wet, you can sweat, 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:26.200 but it's much more preferential to be able to dry 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:28.599 off quickly. And that's all cotton doesn't do. And so 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:31.960 that's why cotton is considered to be like your worst 1:14:32.040 --> 1:14:35.280 choice here. So if your base layer, you want to 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:38.559 go with the two options, I guess well, it's it's 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:41.240 like many things. It's a continuum, not a binary. And 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:44.280 so you've got wool on one end and you've got 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:48.240 synthetic on the other end. Wool is really nice because 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:52.479 it doesn't smell right, like if you have like athletic clothing. 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:55.680 Synthetic can get really stinky if you wear it for 1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.439 a few days, it only gets stink here. Wool tends 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:02.280 to be much better for that. It also doesn't catch fire. 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:05.200 And melt to you, which if that's important in your 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:09.719 line of work, then then that's wool is naturally fire retardant. 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:13.040 Really where it's like, yeah, yeah, does everyone know this? 1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:16.439 Clearly no, charene, but. 1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:20.559 Sheep are sheep fire proof? 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:25.920 Yeah, I mean I think obviously high enough temperature would 1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:34.120 still be fatal for them. But yeah yeah, yeah yeah, 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:35.519 when we don't respect the. 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:39.000 Sheep enough, very powerful ability. 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:41.920 Yeah yeah. There's not even a sheep pokemon that could 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:43.160 like Pokemon. 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:44.960 As you said that, I was like, what a good defense? 1:15:45.000 --> 1:15:47.880 Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone send me a picture of 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:51.160 a sheep Pokemon that you've designed, and I will describe 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:54.439 it on the podcast. It's unfortunately not a visual medium, 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:57.599 but I'd still like to see your sheeps, right, so 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.160 will it's flame retarding. It's very useful in certain lines 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:02.680 of work. It's not so important for other people. But 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:05.080 I will say that, like even sitting around the campfire, 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:08.479 it is actually really shitty if your clothes melt to you. 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:13.240 I've had gloves melt on my hands and it was unpleasant. Wow, 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:16.000 that was only like a little bit. But again, I 1:16:16.080 --> 1:16:20.000 can I can assure you that people sitting around campfires 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:21.880 do have their clothing catch on fire. This is not 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:25.120 like a thing. It's why all your tents have to 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:28.760 be treated with a flame retardant treatment. That's that stuff 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:30.120 that makes when your tent. You know, if you put 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:32.479 a tent away where it's wet and hot, you leave 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:34.679 it at the back of your truck, it gets really 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:37.120 sticky when you when you get out. That's a frame 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:41.360 retardant treatment on your tent. Oh, thenly lot about fire today. 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:44.200 So the problem with will though, is that you have 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:45.960 to treat it with care, like you don't want to 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:47.960 be tuble drying wool, right, and it can kind of 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:52.599 get misshapen. There are like hybrids, the thing called new yarn, 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.840 which I like a lot, which is like a wall 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:59.680 synthetic hybrid. I have lots of clus stuff made of that, 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:05.320 and then there are full synthetic things like a little 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:09.080 base layer. Here. Again this being mainly a podcast only 1:17:09.120 --> 1:17:10.120 sharene can see this. 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:13.559 Describing a piece of clothing. 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:18.760 It looks like cloth, all right, We're going to be 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:20.439 fucked for the next hour or so. 1:17:22.360 --> 1:17:23.800 But what am I looking at it? It's like it 1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:25.920 look kind of like textured or something. 1:17:26.040 --> 1:17:30.360 So it's like this, yes, yes, it's ribbed. Leave we've 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:34.759 just moved right past that. It's it's ribbed, and that's 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:37.920 to allow like the little bits that touch your skin 1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:41.280 keep you warm. But then the channels allow for it 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:43.639 to breathe right from monastor to move away and walk 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:44.479 away from your body. 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:47.280 So that's that's the synthetic hybrid or. 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:51.680 This is synthetic. It's spandex and polyester. It's got this 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:54.479 like it's very thin, you can see through it, but 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:58.080 it's also very warm, by a company called Beyond Clothing. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:01.160 I would caution people again, it's having too thick if 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.840 you're planning on actually hiking or being active or like, 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:07.160 you know, let's say you work in construction, you work 1:18:07.200 --> 1:18:09.720 in agriculture. Maybe you just have a job you have 1:18:09.720 --> 1:18:11.680 to go to remote places. You're a doctor who has 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:16.040 to treat people at remote places, or you win turbine engineer, 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:19.400 or you work on the railway lines or something. You know, 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:21.600 if you're going to be active, having too thick of 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:23.280 a base layer could be really annoying because if it 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:26.200 heats up, that's kind of your last option. And if 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:27.920 it's really thick and you've tried to rely on that 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.320 for most of your warmth. Then you're going to overheat. 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:32.400 And then when you overheat, you're going to sweat a lot. 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:34.920 Or when you sweat a lot, that sweat is saying 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:37.800 going to soak your layer, right, and then when it 1:18:37.840 --> 1:18:40.000 gets cold, you're going to be wet and cold, and 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:43.960 that is bad. So consider if your base layer like 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:45.800 a lightweight or a midlight thing, and try and get 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:49.320 your warmth from something else. It's whatever suggest. I really 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:51.559 like the new yarm ones. Like I said, there's one 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:55.040 made by Black Diamond called a Rhythm T shirt, which 1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:57.559 I really like. I've loaded those. They are often on sale. 1:18:57.560 --> 1:18:59.760 You can get them really cheap. If you're looking for 1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:04.160 something really cheap, I would say to just avoid cotton, 1:19:04.240 --> 1:19:06.960 so you can look for things which are polyester or nylon, 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:08.680 and those are going to be a lot better than 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:11.519 just your cotton T shirt. They are going to smell, 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:14.200 they're going to get pretty stinky, but you can often 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:16.720 find them for around the same price. Right, and if 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:19.960 it's very cold, you may want basically your legs as well. 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:23.360 Good ones for those are hard to get cheap. I 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:27.160 like ones that zip all the way off, like like 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:31.000 like a you know, like like Chipendale style. Yeah, but 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:34.000 you want zips all the way down the side, Oh, zippers, 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:36.880 so they're up pull on? No, yeah, because then you 1:19:36.920 --> 1:19:37.840 have to take your boots off. 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:41.400 Right, So if you're oh, well you think of everything. 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:44.120 Drop your trousers, put those on. Because taking your boots 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:47.200 off in the snow and then hopping around. 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:51.000 No, I mean it sounds very impractical. So that's cool 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:53.160 they thought of that. That's very smart. 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:56.479 Yeah. Yeah, it's a nice Uh, it's a nice Yeah. 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.320 Technology has to give us many things. There's a company 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:02.840 called Couu who's chiefly hunting company, but they make a 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:06.280 really nice like side zip leg based layer, which I 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:07.880 think I would recommend for a lot of people if 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:11.000 it's really cold where you are with I guess trousers 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:14.519 generally they're a lot less complicated than upper layers, but 1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:19.120 the things you want in the cold really are again 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:21.799 something that's not going to like cause you to sweat 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:24.800 a lot, So I wouldn't suggest everyone like going around 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:29.679 in waterproof sure others. I really like ones that have vents, 1:20:29.760 --> 1:20:32.160 like mechanical vents so you can open up so you 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:36.680 can cool off these guys, right, Like the pockets are 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:41.320 mesh so if you open the pocket, not only can 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:43.680 you get your accessories out that you can also like 1:20:43.800 --> 1:20:46.280 vent off the heat that way and so that way 1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:49.720 you don't soak them out with sweat. Right, there's a 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:53.439 company called Beyond who makes every possible weight and size 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.640 of trouser. I really like their stuff. I use this 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.360 stuff a lot. You can get knee pad pockets as well, 1:20:58.360 --> 1:21:02.920 which are super useful, not only if you're like like 1:21:03.240 --> 1:21:05.599 you see them in military gear a lot, but if 1:21:05.640 --> 1:21:09.200 you're working, saying, construction or carpentry or something like that, 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:10.840 you have to kneel a lot. It's really nice table 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:16.240 on kneepad. So those get a recommendation for that. For 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:18.760 a cheap one. The pro to make a parent called 1:21:18.800 --> 1:21:21.160 the stretch zion, which I think is really nice. Climb 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:23.519 in them all the time. They can often be found 1:21:23.520 --> 1:21:27.200 really cheap. Your next thing is your active insulation. So 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:31.960 that's you need to warm yourself when you're active. Right, 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:34.320 So there's two types of insulation. The system is active 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:37.559 and static. One is for when you're moving and the 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:40.759 other is for where you're stationary. And your active insulation 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:43.200 is people used to call this a mid layer, but 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.040 that was back when people wore like wool jumpers, and 1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:47.680 you kind of had to keep it covered from the 1:21:47.720 --> 1:21:49.600 world or it will get wet and stretched out and 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:53.519 very very heavy. But sometimes this will actually be outer layer, 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:55.240 so I don't think mid layers is a great term. 1:21:55.280 --> 1:21:57.120 That's what they used to call it. People used to 1:21:57.200 --> 1:22:02.439 use fleeces a lot. Are fine, but again they can 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:04.720 get very very heavy if they get wet. Some of 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:07.479 them don't breathe very well, and they can sort of 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:11.360 very quickly become too hot of your exercising, and they're 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.360 not very wind proof. They don't block the wind at all. 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:17.160 So much better choice is something called a grid fleece, 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:20.479 so like the base layer is talking to you about, 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.320 it has like a little grid pattern that allows for 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:26.960 moisture and air to move away from your body, so 1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:30.679 like you're less likely to overheat. There's a really cool 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:34.040 fabric called Polotech Alpha, which you should look for rather 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:36.400 than like looking for a specific item. If you look 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:40.040 for Polartech alpha or Polotech Alpha direct, then you can 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:42.759 scat around for stuff that's some sale and find something 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:46.479 that's really nice. It kind of looks a bit fleecy, 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:48.720 but it's also a grid pattern. It's really warm and 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:51.280 it's very small. I have a few things that are 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:53.639 like made of that. I have one from a moot 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:56.040 called the Alpha sixty. So there are different weights, right, 1:22:56.080 --> 1:22:59.120 sixty ninety one twenty sixty is the least. I think 1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:02.280 ninety it's grams for square meter, But ninety grams for 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:04.240 square meter is pretty much a good mid zone for 1:23:04.280 --> 1:23:07.880 almost everyone. So that's what to look for in those 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:11.040 if you're looking for a cheap midless or a cheap 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:14.280 way to stay warm while you're moving around. The US 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:17.840 military has this thing called a waffle top because inside 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.640 of it looks like a waffle right, I guess Grid was. 1:23:21.040 --> 1:23:23.160 You know they like to give things baby names in 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:27.040 the US Army. O Luk, Suren's got one? Yeah like that. Yeah, 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.639 I love a waffle top. I'm always pulled all the time, 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:33.320 so I just I'm also a cold person. Yeah, I 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:34.240 do love a waffletop. 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:34.559 Yeah. 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:37.120 But yeah, those waffle ups, you can get them super 1:23:37.280 --> 1:23:42.040 cheap everywhere online. I would caution people against getting it 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:43.680 can be easy to find, like a thing where it's 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:45.559 got like a waffle back air and a soft shell 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:48.720 front and it's like your windshell, your rain shell. But 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:51.599 those are really warm, and they're really big and bulky, 1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:54.080 and it's quite hard to wear them if you're actually 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:58.160 moving with any sort of intention. So that's where you 1:23:58.160 --> 1:23:59.960 want to keep your things separate, so you can choose 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:05.680 choose what, like exactly how warm you are, rather than 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:09.240 being forced to be like a certain level of warm. 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:12.599 Talking of forcing people to do things, cherene, Wow, it's 1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:14.960 time for us to force them to listen to some adverts. 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:16.280 Let's do it. 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:31.800 We're back, so Charene's voice, and we are talking now 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:34.240 about the other part of keeping yourself warm, which is 1:24:34.280 --> 1:24:40.040 static insulation. This is the big warm jacket. Everyone likes 1:24:40.720 --> 1:24:45.000 your happy jacket, the one that makes the cold go away. Right. 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:48.439 The deal here is that like a big puffy jacket 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:51.760 is pretty crappy to wear. Again, if you're moving with 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:55.439 any intention, right, like, unless it's seriously like arctic cold, 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:59.599 then it's hard to hike or climb in a big 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:03.240 puffy jacket. So what this guy is for is for 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:06.599 when you stop moving. So if you're hiking, that would 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:09.720 mean when you stop to regroup, or you stop to 1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:13.519 have a snack or to put your camp together or whatever. 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:18.080 It's good to have like a really big jacket that 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:23.639 is warm that you can toss on immediately. Putting clothes 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:27.200 on once you are cold is generally not the deal. 1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:29.439 The deal that is putting them on so you don't 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:32.000 get cold, because all you're doing with all these layers, right, 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:35.960 is trapping air against your body that is warm. That's 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:39.160 what the little the grid parts in the grid fleece do, 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:40.880 and that's what all the little feathers in the down 1:25:40.920 --> 1:25:44.400 jacket do, right. They're just trapping pockets of air that 1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:46.599 you heat up. So if you wait till you're really cold, 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:48.880 it's going to take you a lot longer to get 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.439 to get warm. The thing to do is once when 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.280 you're moving you're nice and warm, you stop, you're going 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:55.400 to get cold. So if you toss on that jacket 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:59.360 then you can stay cold. I say warm down jackets 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:03.280 are really complicated. If there are a couple of issues 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:07.599 with like cheap down jackets that make them probably best avoided. 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:11.719 One is that if you're not using ethically sourced down, 1:26:11.960 --> 1:26:17.240 that the industry can be pretty abusive. Right that down 1:26:17.320 --> 1:26:19.439 is comprised of feathers that come from ducks and geese. 1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:22.439 It's not very nice to ducks and geese to kill 1:26:22.439 --> 1:26:25.479 them and steal their feathers. And if you're going to 1:26:25.520 --> 1:26:27.200 do it at all, if that's something that you choose 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:29.839 to do, you should at least try and find ethically 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:34.599 sourced down. In my opinion. The other thing is that down, 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:38.840 natural down, when it gets wet, it clumps up and 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:44.120 it doesn't work anymore. It doesn't insulate you, right, no, 1:26:44.400 --> 1:26:49.120 like nicer downs modern more like modern downs are treated 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:52.040 with water repellent coating, so they don't tend to do 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:57.200 that as much. But the other thing was down is 1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:00.519 like like a lot of numbers get thrown at you 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:02.240 when you're looking at a down jacket, Like if you 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:03.720 if you look at the money internet as all kinds 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:07.400 of information, some of that stuff is bullshit. The things 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:11.360 that are important are the fill power and the fill weight. 1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:14.599 The feel power is it tells you how many cubic 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:17.040 inches of loft one ounce of that down will fill. 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:20.160 So a higher number is better, right, a higher number 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.840 is more puffy. And then your feel weight tells you 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.080 how much of that down is used in a jacket. 1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:30.200 So a higher fill power jacket with a lower let's say, 1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:33.240 a four hundred four power jacket with sixty grams of 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.200 feel weight would be as warm as an eight hundred 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:37.960 fold power jacket with thirty grams of feel weight. So 1:27:38.640 --> 1:27:41.360 once you get your phil power and your feel weight, 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.880 then you get a pretty good idea of how warm 1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:49.880 a jacket is going to be. So the other alternative 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:52.559 to natural down is synthetic down. 1:27:52.640 --> 1:27:52.760 Right. 1:27:53.080 --> 1:27:55.280 Where that stands out is like it can get wet 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:58.639 and you can generally like baby it a bit less, 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:02.720 but some pack down as well, and it is tend 1:28:02.760 --> 1:28:06.200 to be heavier and you don't get feel power, but 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:09.559 you do get feel weight. So if you're the jacket 1:28:09.560 --> 1:28:12.880 I use is synthetic because like I like to shovel 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:16.599 in my bag and sometimes it's wet or like sometimes 1:28:16.600 --> 1:28:18.360 it gets a bit wet, right, I just I don't 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:20.599 like to have to like try and baby it so much. 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:25.240 I also, for ethical reasons, prefer that. There's a company 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:29.439 called Prima Loft p r I m A. They make 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:32.920 synthetic insulation sort of very good and they say make 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:36.960 some from post consume recycled plastics and they have something 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:40.599 that to buy degradeable as well, So I really like cool. Yeah, 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:44.040 it's cool, right, Like I saw something a while ago 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:46.240 and how ducks and geese are treated forel like down 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:47.599 and it may be very I was like. 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:49.439 I didn't really want to ask because I don't really 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:52.439 need to know more than I already do because I 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:57.240 don't buy that stuff anyway. But do they are there 1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:00.920 birds that die exclusively for their feathers or at least 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:02.919 do they die for meat and their feathers? 1:29:03.520 --> 1:29:07.120 I think they die exclusively. I'm sure they are eaten, 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:11.280 but they are raised like the commercial product is the 1:29:11.360 --> 1:29:15.400 feathers basically because they kill them much younger. Yeah, it's shitty. 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:19.120 There are like ethically sourced downs, which I think if 1:29:19.320 --> 1:29:24.360 you know, if you're a consumer of animal products, For 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:26.160 the most part, I avoid than most of my wall 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:29.360 stuff I got before I vegan. But I think if 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:31.639 you're picking between wall and down, I think the down 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:34.559 industry is it's hard to be mean to sheep in 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:37.400 a way that people are mean to a poultry, because 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:39.240 sheep just on't having it. They'll die. 1:29:40.080 --> 1:29:44.639 Also, you're not like shearing wool is different than plucking feathers. 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:48.080 Yeah, well yeah then killing an animal to Yeah, there's 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:51.360 a distinct thing going on there. So yeah, I prefer 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:55.519 not to have I have a few down jackets that 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:58.040 you know, but I keep them baby and look after, 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:01.680 but for the most part I use the Generally, these 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:04.880 are called ballet parkers, the sort of static insulation layer 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:07.720 because when you're balaying, when you're climbing, right, you don't 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:09.280 put them off for climbing, but then when when you're 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:12.120 on ballet, you're stationary, so you put them on. And 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:13.840 it's nice to have a hood on these two, right, 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:16.000 because you don't want to be like, oh, I've got 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:17.920 to get my beanie out, get my jacket on. You 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:19.400 want to just be able to put your one big 1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:23.280 warm jacket on and then you're warm. 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:26.599 So is it true that you can lose like heat 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:30.840 from your head and you're or like I've always heard 1:30:30.880 --> 1:30:32.599 that like if you wear a beanie you can stay 1:30:32.640 --> 1:30:34.080 warm better. Is that not true? 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:36.439 Yeah, I mean you can lose heat from your head 1:30:36.680 --> 1:30:38.000 and so it's a part of your body. 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:42.000 I mean, okay, I know technically that makes sense. Yeah, 1:30:42.080 --> 1:30:44.760 but yeah, it's like you lose mom thing to say 1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:46.840 to their kids where it's just like cover your head, 1:30:47.439 --> 1:30:48.719 don't go out when your hair as. 1:30:48.640 --> 1:30:51.840 We Yeah, you can lose heat from any sort of 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:54.759 exposed surface. Area right and insulated part of your body. 1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:58.320 I think sometimes people overestimate their role played by your head. 1:30:58.400 --> 1:31:00.640 Like you know, people say you lose ninety percent of 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:03.400 your heat from your head. This isn't true, right, This 1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:05.960 is why we don't climb mounta into like fur hats 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:09.880 and speedos. Like you, you do want to cover your 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:12.280 head when it's cold, and it can make a big difference, 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:14.840 especially like your ears. You know, where the circulation is 1:31:14.840 --> 1:31:17.360 close to the skin, they can get cold your nose right, 1:31:17.479 --> 1:31:20.960 you can get frost nip your nose and in your ears. 1:31:22.080 --> 1:31:24.000 So like you do want to cover those things having 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:30.320 like a kafa or snowed is that what it's called. 1:31:30.680 --> 1:31:33.160 I don't know. Okay, but that's enough. 1:31:33.920 --> 1:31:40.320 Yeah, okay, a buff is a trade name a buff 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:41.960 globle thunder. 1:31:42.080 --> 1:31:46.040 Yeah is a great suggestion. Good job? 1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:46.400 Yeah? 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:49.200 Yeah. I have a kafa that I've worn up and 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:52.439 down many mountains. It's really nice because if you tuck 1:31:52.479 --> 1:31:55.519 it into the neck of your jacket kind of blocks 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:59.080 or the wind gaps, and then it's already warm because 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:02.160 it's it's been inside there. So when you go from 1:32:02.240 --> 1:32:04.599 jacket to sleeping bag, you just wrap that guy around 1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:10.320 your shoulders and then it's you're warm. Multi purpose I love. 1:32:10.400 --> 1:32:12.599 And also if you have a kafia, you can use 1:32:12.640 --> 1:32:15.679 it to prefilter water, right because you want to get 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:17.439 rid of the turbidity. So like if you're if you're 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:19.599 filtering from buddy water, you can put your kafa over 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:22.000 the lid of your bottom and then rub a b 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:25.920 down scoop. Yeah, yeah, many used to make a sling 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:30.400 out of it. I won't use it to hold gauze 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:33.960 on a leg wound that I had. Well, people lived 1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:37.200 a wife, yeah, many of my krofias lived a life. 1:32:37.800 --> 1:32:40.720 Just I'm just here for the ride. So that's your 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:43.120 your down jack if you do want like a down 1:32:43.280 --> 1:32:47.120 animal down duck down jacket, the catalone ones are really 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:50.320 good for the money. The Cathline is a French sports 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:54.040 It's like French ARII or European ari It's huge in Europe, 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:57.120 not so big in America. But there's stuffs excellent value. Also, 1:32:57.200 --> 1:32:59.799 if you want to get really dorky about down jackets 1:32:59.840 --> 1:33:04.360 and warm jackets. The ultra light subreddit a place where 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:08.920 definitely go sometimes more times than I should, is you 1:33:09.320 --> 1:33:12.280 can find like someone has made a spread cheet ranking 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:15.120 like the fill, power, fill weight, and price of different 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:17.960 down jackets. So if you want to get into it, 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:19.679 you can get really into it there. You can spend 1:33:19.680 --> 1:33:22.080 a lot of your life on that subreddit if you 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:24.519 want to. So the next layer, and it kind of 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:29.800 plays into the the two insulation things. It's your wind layer. 1:33:30.680 --> 1:33:33.439 So a lot of the way we experience cold as 1:33:33.479 --> 1:33:40.000 humans is through wind, right, because the way that's why 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:41.680 we have the concept of wind chill, right, or the 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:43.599 air rushing past you, cause you a lot more than 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:46.760 that same temperature without the air rushing past you. And 1:33:46.800 --> 1:33:50.560 this is often how we experience cold and the outdoors 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:54.639 especially right. So having something like active insulation is great, 1:33:54.760 --> 1:33:58.160 but often, like that alpha fabric for instances you can 1:33:58.200 --> 1:34:01.400 see through it. It can be very warm, but it 1:34:01.400 --> 1:34:03.639 doesn't do anything to block the wind. And that's sort 1:34:03.640 --> 1:34:07.160 of by design, right, because it's allowing vapor to move out, 1:34:07.200 --> 1:34:10.000 which is what you want. But you do sometimes espectly 1:34:10.040 --> 1:34:12.000 in windy conditions, need a layer to block the wind. 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:14.559 That's your wind layer. It also helps a lot in 1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:18.920 not trashing your expensive insulation layers, like a very nice 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:23.719 down jacket will sometimes have a very low The Denny 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:25.880 account is like the thickness of the fabric. So a 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.200 nice down jacket will still can often have a low 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:31.360 Denny account. It's not really designed to be like it's 1:34:31.400 --> 1:34:33.599 not like recently, I've been out in cucumber building shelters 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:37.360 for people, right, so I'm constantly carrying lumber and you know, 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:41.439 using tools and cutting stuff. And if you wear your fancy, 1:34:41.960 --> 1:34:45.439 expensive super light down jacket, you're going to shred it 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:47.559 and then you're going to end up with little patches 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:50.240 of duct tape all over it. And now you're expensive 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:53.800 down jacket. It's not as warm as it used to be. Yeah, 1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:57.200 sad time for you. So you can avoid this by 1:34:57.479 --> 1:35:01.280 either just not wearing it for that or covering it 1:35:01.360 --> 1:35:04.080 with a wind layer, which also helps because even those 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:07.000 down jackets often like the wind can get right through them, 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:11.800 So a wind layer is a really nice option for 1:35:11.840 --> 1:35:14.760 a number of those reasons. Also, you can often just 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:16.840 worry above your base layer and even down to pretty 1:35:16.880 --> 1:35:20.599 cold when you're moving trail running like people trail run 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:23.719 I'm sure they'll have already know this, but if you're hiking, 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:27.720 your trail running, if you're climbing, a wind layer can 1:35:27.960 --> 1:35:30.439 really like increase the range of temperatures which you can 1:35:30.479 --> 1:35:34.040 work in without getting too cold. And like a very 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:36.599 small mind is like the size of maybe a tennis 1:35:36.600 --> 1:35:39.800 ball when I pack it down, but it makes you 1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:43.080 a lot warmer. You don't want one that blocks all 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:46.320 of the wind because then you won't be able to 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:50.280 it won't be breathable, right, You want something that's a 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:53.600 little bit breathable. The one I have, I looked up 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:56.160 the one I like. It's called a mouth in hardware 1:35:56.320 --> 1:35:58.800 core air shell, but core as spelled with a K. 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:03.040 How you know it's yeah, you got to you got 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:04.519 to get it in, got to get it in there 1:36:04.560 --> 1:36:07.240 somewhere and then wear it is but like you know, 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:11.640 like like wearing clothes and so double puns on their spellings. 1:36:12.320 --> 1:36:14.760 It's made of the stuff called pertext quantum are, which 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.920 is really cool. It feels like silky but it's a 1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:21.120 synthetic fabric and it's really nice, and it's very small. 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:22.800 It's very light and like you could put it in 1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:27.160 and you had, like if you're wearing like cargo trousers, 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:29.639 you know, you can put it in the side pocket 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.800 or cargo short if you're that kind of person. So 1:36:33.640 --> 1:36:36.479 those if you're looking for a cheaper thing to block 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:38.839 the wind, Like you can find pretty cheap wind cheaters 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:41.919 right out there. You don't want something that's very plastic 1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:44.400 y and then kind of clammy you're going to sweat 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:48.879 up in. You can get surplus British wind proof smocks 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:50.840 that are really nice. I use those all the time 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:55.679 when I'm working outside because uploads of pockets. They're nylon 1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:59.680 cotton blends, so they're not all cotton, and they they're 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:01.840 very like robust. You know, they're not going to wear, 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:05.880 wear down or like get destroyed if you're carrying lumber 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:09.760 or rock climbing, right, if you're interclimbing, like a lot 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:12.320 of this stuff, will you need something with a thicker 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:15.240 face fabric otherwise you're going to destroy it when you're climbing, 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:17.559 especially if you're climbing somewhere like Joshua Tree, where like 1:37:18.560 --> 1:37:21.960 the rock is like sandpaper and it eats your clothing. 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:29.679 The final layer is your waterproof, right, It's a final one, 1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:33.000 because like you want to avoid wearing your waterproof really, 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:36.840 like I think far too many people where like they 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:39.760 rely on waterproof coats when it's not raining enough to 1:37:39.840 --> 1:37:43.160 need one. The problem with waterproofs is if rain can't 1:37:43.160 --> 1:37:47.439 come in, moisture can't really come out. Even fabrics like 1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:50.600 gortex per text and that they say that they're breathable, 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:53.559 but I think anybody who's tried to exercise hard in 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:57.560 a gortex jacket will tell you that they're not. Like, 1:37:57.600 --> 1:37:59.479 if you're hiking with a group and you'll put on 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:03.639 your gorate, then you need to move slower because you're 1:38:03.640 --> 1:38:05.320 going to overheat, and then you're going to get wet 1:38:05.320 --> 1:38:08.960 from the inside because you're sweating. Just not what you want. 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:13.519 So waterproof is important because when it's really wet and 1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:18.040 you're outside, you don't want to get soaked, right, But 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:20.640 it's also not something you should be wearing most of 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:23.000 the time. What you want to look for in a 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:29.040 waterproof Again, there are like statistics numbers. One of them 1:38:29.320 --> 1:38:33.600 is the it's the pressure resistance of the fabric, like 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:36.400 it's expressed in the as the height of a water 1:38:36.439 --> 1:38:39.559 column in millimeters until it can push through the water 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:41.400 resistance of the fabric. Does that make sense? 1:38:42.080 --> 1:38:44.080 No, not at all, Thank you. 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:50.479 For bet honesty. That's good. If you imagine like that, 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:54.040 like I have a tube, right, it's a linear tube 1:38:54.080 --> 1:38:56.600 like a cylinder, and then I put it on my 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:58.560 waterproof fabric, right, I put my waterproof fabric at the 1:38:58.560 --> 1:39:00.719 bottom of the tube, and then I put one milimeters 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:03.080 of water. It doesn't do anything. Two mil three meals 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:06.240 for adding until until it pushes through the fabric. 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:09.280 So that's that's called like a pressure. 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:11.400 What do you go, Yeah, that's a pressure. It's sometimes 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:13.200 expressed in pounds per square inch as well. 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:14.040 Okay, cool. 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:17.240 It's useful if you're like skiing or snowboarding, like safety 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:18.960 of your skiing or snowboarding badly and you're going to 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:21.880 spend a lot of time like sat in your ass then, 1:39:22.479 --> 1:39:24.960 or you know, otherwise working in snow, like kneeling in snow. 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:29.000 That's very handy. There's also a statistic which is probably 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:32.439 more useful. It's the millimeters of rain in twenty four 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:36.160 hours before it like wets out and becomes permeable. So 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:38.880 if you live somewhere really wet, like Belgium or the UK, 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:41.559 Belgium just sticks out in my head as a place 1:39:41.600 --> 1:39:44.160 where it rained all the time, but maybe that's just 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:47.960 my bitterness. You're looking for like something in the twenty 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:50.360 thousand range. That's a jacket that you can pretty much 1:39:50.400 --> 1:39:52.799 wear all day in the wet and be fine. Gortex 1:39:52.920 --> 1:39:55.320 Pro Fabric. I know it's twenty eight thousand, so that's 1:39:55.400 --> 1:40:00.800 kind of your gold standard, but anything over twenty coupan 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:03.719 it's fine. And the breatheability is the last one moisture 1:40:03.800 --> 1:40:07.479 vapor transfer rate, and again anything over twenty thousand is good. 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:10.479 The other thing to look for in a waterproof is 1:40:10.520 --> 1:40:13.479 taped seams and you know the bits where it stitched together. 1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:17.880 If there isn't tape behind those seams, then water can 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:21.599 get in through that stitching. And like I've seen people 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:24.880 get very expensive jackets which in explicably don't have tape seams. 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:28.960 I think it's like maybe a fashion jacket or something, 1:40:29.040 --> 1:40:33.120 but I have like wet like down every seam, like 1:40:33.160 --> 1:40:34.120 they take off their jacket. 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:37.920 You with a group of like people just that are 1:40:37.960 --> 1:40:40.799 wearing these kinds of clothing and just like you judging 1:40:40.840 --> 1:40:41.439 them quietly. 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:45.200 That's me every day, Serene, every day when you see me, 1:40:45.240 --> 1:40:48.600 I'm judging people for their outdoor clothing. It just it 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:51.080 just happens inside my head. It's my inside voice. I'm 1:40:51.080 --> 1:40:53.720 happy that people are outside, and I just want them 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:55.400 to have a comfortable, enjoyable experience. 1:40:56.520 --> 1:41:00.600 That's a good like thing to focus on if you 1:41:00.640 --> 1:41:02.639 want to make sure it's like not a fashion jacket 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:05.320 versus like utilitary and whatever. You know, like is it 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:07.040 going to actually be helpful or are you just gonna 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:07.760 look cool? 1:41:08.439 --> 1:41:10.400 Or is it going to do both? Yeah, you can 1:41:10.439 --> 1:41:14.240 do both, Like you should feel good in what you're wearing, 1:41:14.360 --> 1:41:16.360 and wear things that make you feel happy about yourself 1:41:16.360 --> 1:41:19.000 and your body. And however you want to appear is fine. 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:21.320 Like I don't give a fuck, just want you to 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:22.439 be comfortable and safe. 1:41:22.840 --> 1:41:23.800 But he will judge you. 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:28.240 That won't judge you. I would judge you if you're 1:41:28.280 --> 1:41:31.080 doing something that might put you in danger or someone 1:41:31.160 --> 1:41:33.040 more accually, like you can put yourself in danger in it, 1:41:33.080 --> 1:41:34.840 and I don't care. Like, if you want a free solo, 1:41:34.920 --> 1:41:37.280 fucking have it, but don't put other people in danger 1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:40.160 without their consent. I guess which you're doing if you 1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:43.719 go outside, because someone has to come get you if 1:41:43.760 --> 1:41:46.479 you get in trouble out there, and that's not a 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:50.360 risk free endeavor. Right, returning from my judgmental character to 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:53.840 waterproof jackets, you know, tue, you know what else? I 1:41:53.840 --> 1:42:00.719 am judging how my voice sounds. I'm remaining a loof 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:06.200 from judgment. I would never but but I am judging 1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:08.400 your products and services and support this show, and I'm 1:42:08.479 --> 1:42:12.400 judging them poorly because gold is not a good way 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:13.200 to spend your money. 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:15.639 But we still love our jobs. 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:18.040 We do love our jobs, Yeah, we do. I do 1:42:18.120 --> 1:42:20.800 enjoy my job. I like my job. I just I 1:42:21.840 --> 1:42:24.280 want you to have nice jackets and not Rounald Reagan 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:40.120 commemorative coins. So here's some adverts. We're back, and yeah, 1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:42.000 we're going to talk a little bit more about waterprop jackets. 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:45.160 I think it's important. The other thing you want to 1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:48.400 look for, right, So your your tape seems are good. 1:42:49.120 --> 1:42:53.160 And then I like to have mechanical venting, which. 1:42:53.000 --> 1:42:55.920 Is yeah you mentioned that earlier. What does that mean? 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:59.400 So this is these vents that I can open where 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:03.160 as opposed to venting through the fabric, I want to 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:06.280 vent through a zip that I can open up. Right, So, 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:10.439 like I'm wearing a puffy jacket right now, that's a 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:16.080 mechanical vent, right. Why am I saying that jacket? Charene 1:43:16.080 --> 1:43:18.240 can see me, No one else can. It's like the 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:21.479 sixth sense. I'm a dead person and Scharen is the 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:23.160 only person who can see me that. 1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:26.439 Is, can I just get that straight? So just unzipping 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:28.439 your jacket counts as mechanical venting. 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:31.120 Yeah, so like if you have a nice waterproof jacket, 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:32.280 it will have pit zips. 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:35.559 Okay, got it? Just what a fancy weight just to 1:43:35.600 --> 1:43:37.080 say unzipping some. 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:39.559 Well yeah yeah, okay, well because you but you want 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:41.600 like this, This is not right If I unzip and 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:45.879 it's a pocket inside, that's not mechanical venting because zipped. 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:49.040 A chest pocket. For those listening, everyone. 1:43:48.760 --> 1:43:50.920 Yeah, welcome to the podcast. But I do stuff, and 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:55.080 Charene tells you what I do. Yes, pockets are not 1:43:55.160 --> 1:43:57.920 mechanical vents. Right, but you went away. So you've got 1:43:57.960 --> 1:44:01.519 pit zips. Some of them will have chest zips ways 1:44:01.560 --> 1:44:06.879 to force that hot air out and allow breathe ability 1:44:06.920 --> 1:44:10.320 to happen. Right, So I like that in raine jackets. 1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:12.840 And then I also like a hood right because it's 1:44:12.960 --> 1:44:15.880 having a wet head isn't fun. So this is this one. 1:44:15.920 --> 1:44:17.840 I liked taber hood and the billet Parker. I like 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:21.280 to havebhood sometimes the wind jacket. I like taberhood. If 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:26.080 you're doing climbing and you're doing I never really wear 1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:29.439 a hood when I'm cycling, but other helmet actively if 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:32.320 you're caving or canyoneering, might be a good idea to 1:44:32.400 --> 1:44:35.559 check the hood situation with the helmet that you wear 1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:38.400 for that activity. So like for climbing, you know, you 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:40.840 lots of people will say they have a helmet compatible hood, 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:42.719 but I don't know what helmet those people are wearing 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:46.479 because they don't fit over like even a pretty low 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:49.360 profile climbing helmet. So if you know, if you can 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:52.360 go to your loco outdoor shop, take take a helmet, 1:44:53.000 --> 1:44:54.920 you know, don't don't be afraid of trying it on 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:57.760 with the helmet on. And you want these all really 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:00.600 to be cut to allow you to move right. Like 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:03.479 a lot of modern outdoor gear. It looks really nice 1:45:03.520 --> 1:45:06.760 like when you're going about town, but it's cut kind 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:09.879 of too tight in the well, it looks very trendy. 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:13.679 It can inhibit your movement right, and so you want 1:45:13.680 --> 1:45:15.559 to be aware of that. You may have to size up. 1:45:15.960 --> 1:45:18.000 And it's not because you've got bigger, it's because close 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:18.879 I've got smaller. 1:45:19.320 --> 1:45:21.840 Also, if you're layering, that would make sense anyway. 1:45:21.720 --> 1:45:24.439 Right, yeah, definitely, And you want to have your water 1:45:24.520 --> 1:45:27.920 proof cut. So it can go over your stuff, right, 1:45:27.960 --> 1:45:29.880 because if it rains, you just want to chuck that 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:32.840 thing on. And likewise, you want to have that big 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:35.400 ballet Parker cut so that it can fit over your 1:45:35.439 --> 1:45:38.639 other layers, right, because again you want to be able 1:45:38.640 --> 1:45:40.320 to chuck it on as soon as you stop. And 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:42.280 your windproof jacket too, so you can use it to 1:45:42.280 --> 1:45:46.760 protect your more expensive you can even I know people 1:45:46.800 --> 1:45:50.400 who do the windproof jacket over the gortex just to 1:45:50.479 --> 1:45:54.519 protect it. Right. I have two gortexes that like. I 1:45:54.520 --> 1:45:57.439 have one that's very small and very thin, and that 1:45:57.560 --> 1:46:02.519 I like, as an emergency, give it if I don't 1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:04.439 expect it to rain or expect for it. But I'm 1:46:04.439 --> 1:46:07.000 going on a week long trip. I'm not gonna, you know, 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:09.240 want to be completely fucked if it rains. So I 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:11.880 bring a little one. It's called the Mountain Hardware Minimizer, 1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:14.360 and kind of the name gives away, but it's just 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:17.000 very small. It's made of gortex pac light, which is 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:22.200 like the lower tier of acceptable gortex. It's fine, you know, 1:46:22.360 --> 1:46:23.840 Like I go outside a lot and I use it 1:46:23.880 --> 1:46:27.200 and it's fine. It doesn't breathe quite as well, but 1:46:28.120 --> 1:46:31.320 you can again overcome that rete with some with them 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:33.840 zips that don't zip, and then if it's going to 1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:35.720 be red all day, I have a jacket that's a 1:46:35.720 --> 1:46:39.920 bit heavier, thicker, packs bigger, But the one I have 1:46:40.000 --> 1:46:43.640 is from a hunting company called four Low lo h. 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:46.559 It's really nice. Often for some reason, hunting stuff in 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:49.599 recent years has got a lot better, and outdoor stuff 1:46:49.680 --> 1:46:52.360 kind of has used to Hunting stuff used to be shitty, 1:46:53.000 --> 1:46:55.599 but it's it's kind of overtaken it for some reason. 1:46:55.720 --> 1:46:57.599 And sometimes it's also nice to have stuff that isn't 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:00.519 bright orange and it isn't like a theory of why 1:47:00.520 --> 1:47:03.680 that is because people have a metrics shit ton of 1:47:03.720 --> 1:47:08.840 money and wealthy people have got into backcountry hunting because 1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:12.040 they want to have a big dead thing. But these 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:14.880 are not people who maybe some people, some people are 1:47:14.920 --> 1:47:17.360 sending it really fucking hard doing hunting and doing like 1:47:17.800 --> 1:47:21.360 ten twelve day hunts, and they're hardcore outdoors people as well, 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:23.680 and they're very wealthy people. They like to be uncomfortable 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:27.479 and they will spend a lot of money on expensive jackets. 1:47:27.520 --> 1:47:30.000 That's my theory. Yeah, thanks for coming to my ted talk. 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:32.160 Those are the two things that you really want with 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:35.920 any waterproof, you do need to take care of them. 1:47:36.160 --> 1:47:38.160 I think with gor Tex everyone should be aware of 1:47:38.360 --> 1:47:41.280 it has what are called forever plastics in it, and 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:45.360 they are really not good for the environment. And not 1:47:45.439 --> 1:47:47.400 only are they not good for the environment when it's made. 1:47:47.520 --> 1:47:50.920 And this isn't just Gortex, right, Gortex is a brand. 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:53.559 They make fabrics, and I'm not just saying it's with 1:47:53.680 --> 1:47:58.360 all those those kinds of multi layer lament at waterproofs. 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:01.760 And it's not just when they're made, it's also when 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:04.479 water sluffs off them, right, Like so when it rains 1:48:04.520 --> 1:48:06.519 on you and then that the rain you know, the 1:48:06.600 --> 1:48:08.280 rain drop goes into the three and the stream goes 1:48:08.280 --> 1:48:09.960 into the river, and the river goes into the ocean, 1:48:10.920 --> 1:48:13.559 that little forever plastics are still there, and that's not good. 1:48:15.360 --> 1:48:18.000 I would imagine, as with many things, it's more not 1:48:18.120 --> 1:48:20.960 good than we know right now. So some brands like 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:24.080 fol Ravn won't use Gortex and this stuff for that reason. 1:48:24.080 --> 1:48:27.519 They don't have any forever plastics. Instead they use waxes. 1:48:28.320 --> 1:48:31.560 I think people are kind of maybe have forgotten or 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:32.760 like you don't see as much of it as you 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:35.840 used to. But wax jackets are really good. If it's 1:48:35.840 --> 1:48:38.320 going to rain all day. If you're not so concerned 1:48:38.360 --> 1:48:41.679 about weight, you can get like a waxed cotton jacket 1:48:41.760 --> 1:48:45.880 or waxed canvas jacket like car Heart makes up right 1:48:46.080 --> 1:48:48.080 or fils and have a nice Filson jacket that they 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:50.559 were a lot and it's way less fragile, but it 1:48:50.640 --> 1:48:53.880 is much heavier, but it's also better for the planet. 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:57.080 So that's something. If you do have a gortex jacket, 1:48:57.080 --> 1:49:00.280 like it's not something that I feel good like having 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:02.920 five gortext jackets, you know, and like buying new ones 1:49:02.960 --> 1:49:04.920 every year, like you should try and take care of them. 1:49:05.320 --> 1:49:08.120 And there's a product called nick Wax which is really good. 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:09.720 You should use nick Wax stuff when you're wa washing 1:49:09.760 --> 1:49:12.639 any of your outdoor if you're washing down, you should 1:49:12.680 --> 1:49:14.439 use nick Wax down wash or you're really fuck up 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:17.800 your expensive down and jacket. So I think that's a 1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:21.679 good thing. And then yeah, wax, Like consider how often 1:49:21.720 --> 1:49:25.040 you're really out in an absolute downpour and if that's 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:27.160 not very often, like maybe you're okay with a wind 1:49:27.240 --> 1:49:31.320 layer or like just waxing the shoulders of your like 1:49:31.600 --> 1:49:34.519 have a cotton jacket behind me that I just wax 1:49:34.600 --> 1:49:38.640 the shoulders off, but like it's like a smock with 1:49:38.640 --> 1:49:41.160 lots of pockets and I just put wax. I bought 1:49:41.160 --> 1:49:43.880 some Greenland wax, which is which is a fear ratheran thing, 1:49:43.920 --> 1:49:47.200 and wax the shoulders so the shoulders are impermeable to water. 1:49:48.080 --> 1:49:50.920 Does it look different like the Does it look like shiny? 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:54.120 Yeah, it looks a little bit shiny, but like it's 1:49:54.160 --> 1:49:56.600 not bad. And if you do it like better than me, 1:49:56.840 --> 1:49:59.519 then then it won't look as shiny. But can you 1:49:59.800 --> 1:50:03.200 can I can see that. No, it's not bad, it's 1:50:03.240 --> 1:50:05.960 not it's kind of fun that maybe other people do 1:50:06.000 --> 1:50:08.400 other things for fun, but I kind of like it. 1:50:08.439 --> 1:50:10.400 You get a hair dryer and you grab the wax 1:50:10.479 --> 1:50:12.080 on and then you melt it in with the haair dryer. 1:50:12.400 --> 1:50:16.519 That's what I do on Saturday nights. Insight into my life. 1:50:17.360 --> 1:50:19.360 So the last thing that I wanted to talk about 1:50:19.400 --> 1:50:25.519 was extremities. Right, I have rainos where like oh really 1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:27.080 yeah really rainos? 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:31.760 Adone else that has it? Noah, like yellow right now? 1:50:31.800 --> 1:50:33.599 I mean not yellow if I press them get yellow, 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:36.360 but like it's well, my feet and hands are always 1:50:36.360 --> 1:50:37.280 cold all the time. 1:50:37.720 --> 1:50:42.559 Yeah yeah, yeah, same, And it's miserable. I hate having 1:50:42.600 --> 1:50:43.080 cold hands. 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:45.240 Literally, look at this. Wait, I just bought these recently. 1:50:45.320 --> 1:50:49.040 These are electric hand warbers. Oh wow, trouble and I 1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:51.880 keep them now. I just walk around with these all 1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:52.320 the time. 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:56.280 It's great. 1:50:56.760 --> 1:50:59.240 Yeah, it is nice to have warm hands. And if 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:01.840 you too, if you're a fellow hands cold, there there 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:04.840 are some things you can do. I think sometimes people 1:51:04.840 --> 1:51:09.040 wear really thick gloves that stop the hands moving and 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:12.919 that doesn't really increase circulation, or they'll have cold wrists 1:51:13.439 --> 1:51:15.600 and then it's kind of there's like a temperature. You 1:51:15.600 --> 1:51:17.839 know that blood's getting cold or it's in your hands. 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:22.240 So I found like having a base layer or a midle, 1:51:22.360 --> 1:51:26.519 a active insulation layer with thumb loops really helps. Then 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:28.439 thumb loops make sure that the sleeve goes all the 1:51:28.439 --> 1:51:31.439 way into the glove. And I would encourage you, rather 1:51:31.479 --> 1:51:34.840 than wearing one big ass pair of gloves, to have 1:51:34.960 --> 1:51:37.000 like a glove. I know this sounds really dorky, but 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:40.360 like a glove system. So like a thin lacy glove 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:42.920 and then a shell glove which is either waterproof or 1:51:42.960 --> 1:51:45.920 wind proof, and then if you want to, you can 1:51:45.920 --> 1:51:50.560 then stack that with a mitten on top of that right. Yeah, 1:51:50.680 --> 1:51:55.400 I love emittletons are so cute. Yeah, get your person 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:58.200 who sews in your life to say your parentmittans. Have 1:51:58.280 --> 1:52:00.599 them join with a little strings so you can run 1:52:00.640 --> 1:52:03.320 that through the sleeves of your jacket. You don't lose them. 1:52:04.040 --> 1:52:05.800 I used to have those. Yeah, me too. 1:52:05.880 --> 1:52:08.280 I feel like or maybe I just imagined having one. 1:52:08.479 --> 1:52:08.840 I can't. 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:11.720 You can't figure out what our memories and what are 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:16.320 memories anymore? But I love those kinds of mittens. 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:20.360 Yeah, maybe I'll make gum that you'm shreen w James. 1:52:20.800 --> 1:52:23.479 Yeah, I can't believe you have How did you say 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:31.000 in British boys mittens? No reightouns rain rainers? 1:52:31.000 --> 1:52:38.200 How you say it reno? They're French. I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah, 1:52:38.240 --> 1:52:40.080 I think mine. Maybe I don't know, Maybe it's just 1:52:40.080 --> 1:52:43.200 from being naturally cold, but holding onto the handlebars of 1:52:43.200 --> 1:52:47.360 a bicycle racing over cobbles has really fucked the circulation 1:52:47.439 --> 1:52:50.400 and sensation in my hands. Yeah, the same thing that 1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:56.720 happens if you work a jackhammer, wows get cold. 1:52:56.760 --> 1:52:56.920 Yeah. 1:52:56.960 --> 1:52:59.000 It's good, not good, not good for the human and 1:52:59.040 --> 1:53:02.400 body to do any think that much outdoor research make 1:53:02.439 --> 1:53:04.600 a good glove system, but they only make it for 1:53:04.600 --> 1:53:07.519 the military and they won't sell it to you, which 1:53:07.560 --> 1:53:11.639 is lame. Yeah, there's a lot of like so one 1:53:11.680 --> 1:53:14.920 of the reasons that some of this surplus clothing comes 1:53:15.000 --> 1:53:18.240 up is because it's designed as a system, which is good. Right, 1:53:18.320 --> 1:53:21.360 it's one piece designed to work with another piece, and like, 1:53:21.800 --> 1:53:25.880 for instance, Patagonia makes a protective combat uniform for the army. 1:53:25.880 --> 1:53:28.200 As much as they would like to not talk about it, 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:32.320 it's still true and I've written about it before, but 1:53:32.560 --> 1:53:35.240 they make a really good system and it's great, and 1:53:35.680 --> 1:53:38.360 stuff's got like they actually have like this little graphic 1:53:38.400 --> 1:53:40.320 that's like if it's this cold, where this, If it's 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:42.920 this cold and wet, where this, If it's this cold 1:53:42.960 --> 1:53:45.000 and windy, where this. And it's very handy for people, 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:47.880 especially people who may not have grown up or had 1:53:47.880 --> 1:53:49.600 that kind of experience or just had the chance to 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:52.120 try different products because they're very expensive. Right, it's very 1:53:52.120 --> 1:53:54.160 handy to be like, okay, this is and this, and 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:56.760 then you only need these five or six pieces that way, 1:53:57.040 --> 1:53:59.840 as opposed to having dozens of jackets and dozens of 1:54:00.000 --> 1:54:03.960 different things for different weathers. So like it it works 1:54:04.040 --> 1:54:05.720 very well, and it frustrates me that they don't do 1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:08.000 the same thing when selling to people who are not 1:54:08.000 --> 1:54:11.720 in the military. So the other things I wanted to 1:54:11.720 --> 1:54:15.400 do with extremity is real quick socks sucks. It goes 1:54:15.439 --> 1:54:19.080 the same way as gloves that you don't want to 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:25.160 a sock system. Yeah, I'm glad that you're picking up 1:54:25.200 --> 1:54:26.200 when I'm picking down at suren. 1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:30.080 I have a sock system, but it's not you're it's 1:54:30.120 --> 1:54:34.160 not anything about this tell me about Yeah, well, my 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.640 feet are always called this is not a sock, but 1:54:37.680 --> 1:54:38.960 I do wear this in my house. 1:54:39.720 --> 1:54:42.880 Oh wow, Charene is showing me. Uh, it looks like 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:46.600 it's kind of a moon boot but made of fluff. 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:48.000 It looks like a Yeti's foot. 1:54:48.720 --> 1:54:51.840 It's very more. I don't wear shoes in my house, 1:54:51.840 --> 1:54:54.760 so I either always have those slippers on or socks. 1:54:55.040 --> 1:55:00.640 But my sock system is these socks can never mingle. 1:55:00.720 --> 1:55:03.960 I have outside socks, I have house socks, and I 1:55:04.000 --> 1:55:08.440 have bed socks, and those socks remain in their sections. 1:55:08.520 --> 1:55:10.520 An outdoor sock cannot come in my bed. 1:55:10.880 --> 1:55:13.960 Does that make sense? It does, And I'm fascinated to learn. 1:55:15.560 --> 1:55:17.560 When we start recording, I'm going to inquire more about 1:55:17.600 --> 1:55:19.000 Charine sock collection. 1:55:20.400 --> 1:55:24.280 Yeah, very interesting to me anyway. Yeah, that's eroticism. But 1:55:24.400 --> 1:55:26.840 I think so the same thing with gloves, you're saying 1:55:26.840 --> 1:55:27.800 like they should be layered. 1:55:28.560 --> 1:55:31.920 Yeah, I mean with socks, I think the big thing 1:55:32.160 --> 1:55:36.240 is to like not always be trying to I think 1:55:36.240 --> 1:55:38.320 people want to wear like a big thick wall sock 1:55:38.360 --> 1:55:40.600 because it's cold, and then if you're kind of crammed 1:55:40.640 --> 1:55:43.360 that into your same boot, you're going to restrict circulation. 1:55:43.360 --> 1:55:45.120 You're not gonna be able to move your feet, right. 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:48.720 So what I would do instead is I either have 1:55:48.960 --> 1:55:50.720 a couple of pair of thin socks or use a 1:55:50.720 --> 1:55:55.240 warmer fabric, so like Olpaka wool is very warm for 1:55:55.320 --> 1:55:57.320 its weight. The other nice thing about woll socks is 1:55:57.320 --> 1:56:00.880 again the insulate when they're wet, right, So your feet 1:56:00.920 --> 1:56:06.120 are gonna sweat you're moving, and so you want something 1:56:06.160 --> 1:56:09.400 that's not going to get your feet cold, right, especially 1:56:09.400 --> 1:56:11.080 if you a person who already gets cold feet. So 1:56:11.960 --> 1:56:14.880 Marina wool is good, our Packer wool is very good. 1:56:15.520 --> 1:56:18.000 But yeah, you don't want to restrict with like one 1:56:18.160 --> 1:56:21.560 big fluffy sock. You can get insulated boots if it's 1:56:21.600 --> 1:56:25.920 really cold, I right down until below freezing. I don't 1:56:25.960 --> 1:56:29.000 like insulated boots because again I don't like my feet 1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:30.160 to get sweaty. 1:56:29.920 --> 1:56:32.880 And well, you wear your feet for that kind of weather. 1:56:33.080 --> 1:56:36.240 They get really cold, just gor text boots and I 1:56:36.480 --> 1:56:38.760 wear the same boots for almost everything unless it's like 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:42.520 jungly if you're going to get wet, like Goratex's boots 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:44.440 suck right because they take forever to dry. So like, 1:56:44.480 --> 1:56:46.240 if you're in the jungle and the water is going 1:56:46.280 --> 1:56:50.000 to come over your boots, then you shouldn't wear gortex 1:56:50.040 --> 1:56:53.360 boots if you're not I have some. You like to 1:56:53.400 --> 1:56:56.640 know exactly what boots I have? Sure? 1:56:56.880 --> 1:56:58.840 I mean we're not sponsored though maybe no? 1:56:59.040 --> 1:57:00.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get some of this ship for 1:57:00.920 --> 1:57:03.120 free when I was working in the outdoor industry, but 1:57:03.160 --> 1:57:05.520 no one's paying us to say this. I have Solomon 1:57:05.600 --> 1:57:06.200 quest for D. 1:57:08.440 --> 1:57:12.560 I think I have Wait, I have those? No, which 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:14.120 ones do I have? I did like a bunch of 1:57:14.120 --> 1:57:15.560 research a couple of years ago when I got my 1:57:15.600 --> 1:57:18.080 new hiking boots. I feel like I have the Solomons 1:57:18.120 --> 1:57:19.840 or those were the ones I no, no, no, I do 1:57:19.920 --> 1:57:22.600 have the Solomons because I returned the other one that 1:57:22.640 --> 1:57:27.560 everyone likes the witches. What's it called hokahs. 1:57:27.000 --> 1:57:30.560 The whole focus. Oh yeah, No, Hogas make lovely running shoes. 1:57:30.600 --> 1:57:32.440 I'm not. I don't have a preference for I. 1:57:32.440 --> 1:57:34.520 Think there were. I mean I just didn't understand the hype. 1:57:34.560 --> 1:57:37.480 So I remember switching over to or returning those and 1:57:37.480 --> 1:57:39.160 getting the Solomons. Wow, look at us. 1:57:39.440 --> 1:57:42.280 Yeah yeah, Team Solomon over here, they're vegan too. 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:43.520 Oh I didn't know that. 1:57:43.840 --> 1:57:47.000 Yeah, that's if you have leather boots, you can snow 1:57:47.000 --> 1:57:48.840 seal them around this time of the year, but then 1:57:48.880 --> 1:57:50.839 there'll be a bit less breathe, a bit more waterproof. 1:57:50.920 --> 1:57:57.600 But yeah, consider not overcramming like thick socks into boots 1:57:57.640 --> 1:57:58.920 of the same size. If you if you're going to 1:57:58.920 --> 1:58:01.040 get a specific pair of winter get the assize bigger 1:58:01.040 --> 1:58:03.280 and then you could wear a thicker sock. I would 1:58:03.280 --> 1:58:05.360 probably do that before I went to an insulated boot. 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:07.920 Until it was really cold, like arctic stuff, you don't 1:58:07.960 --> 1:58:11.680 need an insulated boot. Vask makes some nice insulated boots 1:58:12.040 --> 1:58:14.520 that I have used. And then hats is the last one. 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:19.320 Hats again, like it depends a little bit on the temperature, 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:22.360 but I have a couple of wool beanies that I 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:24.880 got years and years and years ago, and they're very 1:58:24.920 --> 1:58:27.400 good and they're very warm. And the only thing is 1:58:27.400 --> 1:58:29.200 when they get wet, they kind of stretch out a bit, 1:58:30.000 --> 1:58:32.680 so they don't love getting wet. You might want to 1:58:32.680 --> 1:58:36.720 put a hood over yourself. Otherwise, a flea speanie is 1:58:36.760 --> 1:58:39.240 really good. People are sleeping on the flea speanie, but 1:58:39.360 --> 1:58:42.520 like a micro flee stretchy beanie, it's very nice. I 1:58:42.600 --> 1:58:44.520 tend to take them when I travel because I'm a 1:58:44.520 --> 1:58:48.520 cold person and planes are cold. So if I have 1:58:48.600 --> 1:58:50.800 that and my little Kafa in my bag, then I 1:58:50.800 --> 1:58:54.200 can kind of wrap myself up on the plane and 1:58:54.240 --> 1:58:55.920 I probably look a bit weird to everyone else, but 1:58:55.960 --> 1:58:59.800 I don't care because I am warm and planes are cold. 1:59:00.720 --> 1:59:03.080 I think that it's the end of my ted talk 1:59:03.240 --> 1:59:05.240 on warm clothing. 1:59:05.600 --> 1:59:08.480 We talk for an hour about cold serene. 1:59:08.520 --> 1:59:13.040 I didn't think we'd keep it under an hour. Wait really, yeah, No, 1:59:13.720 --> 1:59:15.600 I've been draining my whole life for this shit. Like 1:59:15.680 --> 1:59:18.640 I love. I used to like my whole job used 1:59:18.640 --> 1:59:20.960 to be to tell people what to wear and take 1:59:21.000 --> 1:59:24.800 with them when they go outside. Wait really, yeah? Outdoor 1:59:24.840 --> 1:59:28.520 industry journalists who are years how I started my little 1:59:28.520 --> 1:59:31.360 when I was little baby journals the expert here, little 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:33.839 baby journalist, I wrote, I don't think I'm an expert, 1:59:33.880 --> 1:59:37.160 but I will say, well, I'll tell you what. There's 1:59:37.160 --> 1:59:39.360 my other little soap box. You will read a lot 1:59:39.400 --> 1:59:42.720 of reviews, and sometimes, like the reviews for Boots, did 1:59:42.760 --> 1:59:46.160 they did Sharen in a good direction? Not everyone who's 1:59:46.200 --> 1:59:48.800 writing those reviews is going outside very much, is what 1:59:48.840 --> 1:59:52.000 I will say, or sending it very hard. Some of 1:59:52.000 --> 1:59:53.760 them are, doubtedly are, but a lot of them are 1:59:54.000 --> 1:59:56.480 trying to get you to click a link which will 1:59:56.840 --> 1:59:59.760 return a certain percentage to the website that you're clicking 1:59:59.760 --> 2:00:03.600 the from, so four or five percent back right, And 2:00:03.640 --> 2:00:06.920 you may, for instance, some of the brands I've mentioned 2:00:06.920 --> 2:00:10.480 here don't have that. It's called affiliate marketing. And if 2:00:10.480 --> 2:00:12.560 brands don't have affiliate marketing, you generally can't put it 2:00:12.600 --> 2:00:16.000 in articles for a lots of magazines about the outdoors. 2:00:16.080 --> 2:00:21.680 This is something that I fucking loathe, and you can't 2:00:21.680 --> 2:00:24.760 be honest and say this is my favorite thing. Everything's 2:00:24.760 --> 2:00:26.600 designed to be seoed and to get you to click 2:00:26.680 --> 2:00:29.360 something and to return some affiliate revenue to the website. 2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:32.120 So it would take a lot of those reviews with 2:00:32.200 --> 2:00:36.000 a pinch of salt. Also, just small brands struggle to 2:00:36.000 --> 2:00:38.920 get into a lot of into a lot of magazines 2:00:38.920 --> 2:00:41.560 because they don't have the marketing money to send piles 2:00:41.560 --> 2:00:46.240 and piles of free stuff. So yeah, be cautious about 2:00:46.240 --> 2:00:48.840 what you read. And if you look around, you know, 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:52.320 if you're looking at this shit like like, I absolutely 2:00:52.400 --> 2:00:55.720 have jackets that got several hundred dollars that I got 2:00:55.720 --> 2:00:58.760 for free or I made some employer pay for because 2:00:58.760 --> 2:01:01.920 I was going somewhererifically in hospitable. Is a human life 2:01:02.160 --> 2:01:05.480 like Alaska or Alaska's actually lovely. I'd like to live there. 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:08.160 That's the dream. Right one day I'll podcast my way 2:01:08.160 --> 2:01:10.320 to a million dollars and raise sheep in Alaska. 2:01:10.480 --> 2:01:13.560 I was looking for tickets to Alaska yesterday. Actually, yah, 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:14.360 I want. 2:01:14.200 --> 2:01:17.040 To show we're talking about Alaska. 2:01:17.360 --> 2:01:20.200 Yeah yeah, we talk about lights. 2:01:20.640 --> 2:01:23.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go get after it. But I 2:01:24.240 --> 2:01:26.720 don't really support moving to Alaska and colonizing people's land 2:01:26.840 --> 2:01:31.040 because I shouldn't do that. Don't don't do extra colonizing. 2:01:31.080 --> 2:01:34.560 I'm already doing enough. Feel bad about it. But so yeah, 2:01:34.640 --> 2:01:37.680 I would suggest people take those reviews with a pinch 2:01:37.680 --> 2:01:40.280 of salt. There are websites like gear Trade where you 2:01:40.280 --> 2:01:43.480 can find new stuff. eBay offer up a lot of 2:01:43.480 --> 2:01:46.200 people buy outdoor stuff, go camping, wants, get cold, get wet, 2:01:46.240 --> 2:01:49.120 get sad, slap it on the internet and sell it 2:01:49.200 --> 2:01:53.160 for pennies versus what it's worth, so you don't have 2:01:53.200 --> 2:01:54.720 to buy any of this stuff new. Most of these 2:01:54.760 --> 2:01:59.920 companies also have bomber warranties, and I'm just going to 2:02:00.080 --> 2:02:02.520 leave that there as to the combination of second hand 2:02:02.560 --> 2:02:05.800 purchasing a warranties, but you can probably join the dots. 2:02:06.760 --> 2:02:09.720 Well, yeah, thanks for having me for this. I learned 2:02:09.720 --> 2:02:10.160 a lot. 2:02:10.520 --> 2:02:12.600 Thanks for joining me, Sheriene and sharing with me your 2:02:12.600 --> 2:02:13.200 sock system. 2:02:13.760 --> 2:02:17.120 I mean, yeah, that was really intimate. No, I think 2:02:17.160 --> 2:02:20.480 this stuff is like underrated how important it is. I 2:02:20.480 --> 2:02:22.480 feel like, I mean, like, unless you're always outdoors and 2:02:22.520 --> 2:02:24.960 you're like you're an outdoorsy person, I think you wouldn't 2:02:24.960 --> 2:02:28.120 know exactly the best way to keep warm. And it's 2:02:28.160 --> 2:02:29.880 good to know, like what will actually help someone if 2:02:29.920 --> 2:02:33.840 you want to, I don't know, donate stuff to them. 2:02:33.920 --> 2:02:37.080 So yeah, we have been plagued with donations of really 2:02:37.120 --> 2:02:39.960 shitty blankets. For instance, it's no one's fault. I genuinely 2:02:40.040 --> 2:02:43.760 understand that people care and like it. I'm so proud 2:02:43.840 --> 2:02:45.720 that people want to help, and it makes me so 2:02:45.800 --> 2:02:47.840 happy to see people taking the money that I know 2:02:47.880 --> 2:02:51.360 none of us have enough of and buying stuff. But like, 2:02:51.400 --> 2:02:53.760 for instance, a thick wall blanket is going to do 2:02:53.840 --> 2:02:56.520 so much more than two or three very thin micro 2:02:56.760 --> 2:02:59.440 lease blankets. You know, if you, if you're looking towards 2:02:59.440 --> 2:03:04.280 your local unhoused community, right again, like think about things 2:03:04.320 --> 2:03:07.280 that are durable and that we'll still insulate when they're 2:03:07.280 --> 2:03:10.280 wet and well if you, if you do well, then 2:03:10.440 --> 2:03:12.320 then that's a great choice for a lot of those things. 2:03:12.480 --> 2:03:15.200 And but perhaps we can have one of my own 2:03:15.240 --> 2:03:17.680 house friends on to talk about like effective donations. The 2:03:17.720 --> 2:03:20.280 best way to help people who are unhoused is to 2:03:20.320 --> 2:03:22.520 give them money and that they can buy the things 2:03:22.520 --> 2:03:24.480 that they need because they know about the things that 2:03:25.480 --> 2:03:29.440 point and so yeah, that, yeah, that's my last thing 2:03:29.480 --> 2:03:31.920 for today. Give people who need things money so they 2:03:31.920 --> 2:03:42.320 can buy them. All right, bye everyone, Bye. 2:03:50.240 --> 2:03:54.000 Elections. No, we're not talking about those elections. This is 2:03:54.040 --> 2:03:56.320 it could happen here. We're talking about a bunch of 2:03:56.360 --> 2:04:00.400 other elections and how fucking terribly they went. I'm hosts 2:04:00.400 --> 2:04:02.360 me along with these James stout. 2:04:02.960 --> 2:04:04.960 Hi, Mayah, I'm stoked. I do love a good election. 2:04:05.360 --> 2:04:07.000 It's great to vote for people. 2:04:08.000 --> 2:04:11.880 We are kind of talking about elections today, but the 2:04:11.920 --> 2:04:16.200 thing that we're actually talking about is what has happened 2:04:16.320 --> 2:04:18.360 to the left since twenty eleven. 2:04:19.000 --> 2:04:21.760 And anyone who was around eleven. 2:04:21.520 --> 2:04:24.600 Twenty thirteen, and like any time after that, one of 2:04:24.640 --> 2:04:27.320 the arguments you got constantly was Okay, so twenty eleven, 2:04:27.360 --> 2:04:29.520 you have occupy, you have to movement to the squares. 2:04:29.560 --> 2:04:33.640 You have these mass millions of people like assembling in 2:04:33.680 --> 2:04:36.120 squares and trying to do direct democratic stuff and you know, 2:04:36.200 --> 2:04:38.680 figuring it out and making it work and not working, 2:04:38.920 --> 2:04:41.560 and you know all the complicated and messy things that 2:04:41.600 --> 2:04:45.760 happen when you have real political movement. And that entire time, 2:04:46.120 --> 2:04:50.680 there was an entire chorus of dipshits whose only line was, well, 2:04:50.720 --> 2:04:52.320 if you want to get serious about taking power, you 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:55.600 have to get into electoral politics. And these people got 2:04:55.600 --> 2:05:01.440 their wish. And now we are, like almost a decade 2:05:01.480 --> 2:05:03.920 and a half out. I think I think we are 2:05:03.920 --> 2:05:07.120 finally in a position to objectively analyze how well this 2:05:07.200 --> 2:05:11.960 shit went and oh boy, so join us as we 2:05:12.360 --> 2:05:15.520 wander from disaster to apocal disaster and go over the 2:05:15.560 --> 2:05:19.320 wreckage of all of these very, very once promising and 2:05:19.360 --> 2:05:21.400 inspiring social movements to joy. 2:05:21.440 --> 2:05:24.360 I'm so excited. I'm so excited to hear yet another 2:05:24.360 --> 2:05:26.520 attempt at making the world better than in fact failed. 2:05:28.040 --> 2:05:28.280 Yeah. 2:05:28.320 --> 2:05:31.320 So, okay, there's actually two places we could start here, 2:05:31.520 --> 2:05:33.000 So I'm gonna let you pick. Do you want to 2:05:33.000 --> 2:05:34.960 start with Sars or do you want to start with Podemos. 2:05:37.320 --> 2:05:38.480 Let's start with Podemos. 2:05:38.640 --> 2:05:38.920 I do. 2:05:39.240 --> 2:05:42.720 I do enjoy a good Spain. It's been reading about 2:05:42.720 --> 2:05:47.040 the another round of exhumations today, so I do love 2:05:47.080 --> 2:05:51.600 a country that has banked into its constitution amnesty for 2:05:51.640 --> 2:05:54.240 people who did fucking mass and Expain has more mass 2:05:54.240 --> 2:05:58.680 graves in anywhere apart from is it rwand or Cambodia. Cambodia. 2:05:58.760 --> 2:06:02.320 Cambodia is if you only beat Spae from Spain for 2:06:02.440 --> 2:06:04.320 mass graves. 2:06:04.400 --> 2:06:04.640 Yeah. 2:06:04.920 --> 2:06:07.920 A country which I cannot say enough has not finished 2:06:07.960 --> 2:06:11.839 as civil war and remains a post dictatorship and will 2:06:12.040 --> 2:06:18.040 until it recovers. Allows people whose fucking parents and grandparents 2:06:18.080 --> 2:06:21.360 were murdered in the street to recover their remains and 2:06:21.640 --> 2:06:24.080 grief for them. Sorry, I thank you for me to 2:06:24.160 --> 2:06:25.280 my ted. No, no, this is good. 2:06:25.320 --> 2:06:27.440 Well and I mean, and part of the context of 2:06:27.480 --> 2:06:30.440 this whole thing is that this is one of the 2:06:30.560 --> 2:06:35.280 underlying things that causes the enormous uprisings in Spain twenty eleven. 2:06:35.360 --> 2:06:38.240 They have one of the biggest I mean actually literally 2:06:38.840 --> 2:06:40.880 One of the reasons occupy happens is that there are 2:06:40.920 --> 2:06:43.080 specific people who are in like actually, we fucked up 2:06:43.080 --> 2:06:45.760 with to Vicky Asiwell on the show about this, like 2:06:45.800 --> 2:06:49.840 she was in Catalonia when this stuff started. There's there's 2:06:49.880 --> 2:06:51.800 like a million like there are individual squares where there 2:06:51.840 --> 2:06:52.800 are like a million people. 2:06:52.840 --> 2:06:55.360 Oh yeah, I was in Catalonia when this stuff started. 2:06:56.080 --> 2:06:57.560 Yeah, and like and that's one of the things that 2:06:57.560 --> 2:06:59.240 that brings Occupied to the US is people who were 2:06:59.280 --> 2:07:01.560 there for that being in the US and like being 2:07:01.880 --> 2:07:05.040 in Siconti Park when occupy started, and so you know, 2:07:05.120 --> 2:07:08.640 they have they have one of the largest and most powerful, 2:07:08.720 --> 2:07:12.000 like anti sterity movements, like anywhere in the world, is 2:07:12.120 --> 2:07:14.920 very well organized. But one of the things that happens 2:07:14.920 --> 2:07:18.800 in this is very quickly there's an attempt to hijack 2:07:18.840 --> 2:07:20.800 this because people see the number of people who are 2:07:20.800 --> 2:07:22.960 in the streets. They see they see this as an 2:07:23.000 --> 2:07:25.880 opportunity to you know, take electoral power, right, this is 2:07:25.880 --> 2:07:28.400 the whole lines like we're serious about taking power, blah 2:07:28.400 --> 2:07:33.120 blah blah blah blah. And Podamos in particular, is influenced 2:07:33.200 --> 2:07:37.360 by like some of the people on earth who I 2:07:37.400 --> 2:07:38.560 hate the most. 2:07:39.800 --> 2:07:41.160 They're they're they're. 2:07:41.000 --> 2:07:46.600 Influenced by like like they deliberately call themselves post Marxists, 2:07:46.680 --> 2:07:53.960 like left populist philosophers. They're their model is Perhnism. It 2:07:54.040 --> 2:07:57.280 is a shit show. It is a catastrophe. Like every 2:07:57.280 --> 2:08:00.000 single party who's ever tried their strategy of taking power 2:08:00.080 --> 2:08:03.520 has failed, Like left populism as an elect as specifically, 2:08:03.560 --> 2:08:05.800 like this kind of left populace at a strategy has 2:08:05.840 --> 2:08:09.280 a worse record for taking power in Europe. Then left 2:08:09.280 --> 2:08:12.240 wing military coups like it's that. 2:08:12.160 --> 2:08:16.040 Bad to be fair, left wing mandatary case rarely succeed 2:08:16.040 --> 2:08:16.880 at the ballot box. 2:08:17.040 --> 2:08:20.840 They means, they're they're they're a more effective way of 2:08:20.840 --> 2:08:24.040 getting into power than this this fucking left electoralism shit. 2:08:24.160 --> 2:08:26.440 So for people who don't really remember, Potamos was like 2:08:27.040 --> 2:08:29.960 the like them and Sergi were like the thing in 2:08:30.080 --> 2:08:33.040 like like post sort of like post occupier like and 2:08:33.120 --> 2:08:35.280 in that moment of like, these are the like the 2:08:35.320 --> 2:08:37.960 big like left like electoral successes. These are the things 2:08:37.960 --> 2:08:41.600 they're gonna gonna take power, Podamos specifically. So the the 2:08:41.720 --> 2:08:44.120 thing Podamos calls itself like their whole strategy is to 2:08:44.160 --> 2:08:47.720 build build what they call the electoral war machine. Their 2:08:47.840 --> 2:08:49.720 entire strategy is just to win elections. 2:08:49.760 --> 2:08:50.080 That's it. 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:51.600 That's the whole thing. They're gonna pull together a bunch 2:08:51.600 --> 2:08:54.960 of leftist groups, They're going to win elections. Did they 2:08:55.000 --> 2:08:58.839 ever win a single election? No? Zero, The entire type 2:08:58.880 --> 2:09:00.839 it has bid says I of Pootabos. 2:09:00.880 --> 2:09:05.080 It has been what like thirteen years. 2:09:05.240 --> 2:09:10.080 They have lost every single election in a row. 2:09:10.440 --> 2:09:12.760 They were in the they were in the Sanchez coalition 2:09:12.880 --> 2:09:14.000 government with the Faciliyah. 2:09:14.040 --> 2:09:15.880 Yeah, well so this is this is the other interesting 2:09:15.880 --> 2:09:18.280 thing is that put the thing that Potamos is like 2:09:18.520 --> 2:09:22.840 thing right originally was well they had this whole sort 2:09:22.880 --> 2:09:24.160 of one of the things that was very popular in 2:09:24.200 --> 2:09:27.200 their early twenty tens was this whole like oh, we'll 2:09:27.240 --> 2:09:31.320 have a political party, but it'll like take like it'll 2:09:31.360 --> 2:09:34.240 it'll take its policy from these direct democratic assemblies. Those 2:09:34.240 --> 2:09:36.560 assemblies have ever material that was all lie. Yet anytime 2:09:36.600 --> 2:09:38.560 someone tells you that their political party is going to 2:09:38.600 --> 2:09:41.240 take its direction from like assemblies in the street, they're 2:09:41.280 --> 2:09:42.440 lying to you. They're trying to get you out of 2:09:42.440 --> 2:09:45.040 the street. Don't believe them. So that that was all nonsense. 2:09:45.080 --> 2:09:47.240 But the other big thing about about Potamos was that 2:09:47.280 --> 2:09:50.360 they were supposed to be like the big like third 2:09:50.440 --> 2:09:53.160 force in Spanish politics, right, they were going to be 2:09:53.240 --> 2:09:54.440 like the new force that was going to come in. 2:09:54.480 --> 2:09:56.200 They were going to wipe away all the cru politicians 2:09:56.520 --> 2:09:58.800 and they specifically their big thing was that they refused 2:09:58.800 --> 2:10:03.440 to enter coalition governments. Now for long fast forward to 2:10:03.800 --> 2:10:07.280 losing like six straight elections, and now what is Potamos 2:10:07.280 --> 2:10:12.240 podemos is the permanent minority government coalition partner with the 2:10:12.840 --> 2:10:14.760 Spanish Socialist Party. And before you get excited about the 2:10:14.760 --> 2:10:20.040 Spanish Socialist Party, like they suck, like they are shit. 2:10:21.080 --> 2:10:24.600 I will always stand anyone who digs up Franco's rotting 2:10:24.640 --> 2:10:28.240 corpse and flies it across the country. That's those ritten. 2:10:28.240 --> 2:10:31.600 But they're also like that's mostly like they they're they're 2:10:31.640 --> 2:10:33.560 they're they're also I mean, they they've they've kind of 2:10:33.600 --> 2:10:36.120 been forced to go a bit to the left, like 2:10:36.160 --> 2:10:39.040 by Podemos and like by the sort of transformations that happen. 2:10:39.080 --> 2:10:40.960 But they're also just like a bunch of dealerble ships. 2:10:41.040 --> 2:10:42.960 Like they're like, literally, this is one of the parties 2:10:43.080 --> 2:10:45.360 that Podemos was formed to run out of power, and 2:10:45.400 --> 2:10:47.280 now they're just you know, they're just a permanent like 2:10:47.360 --> 2:10:51.600 minority coalition governments. Pablo and Gleasios, who is Potamos's like 2:10:51.600 --> 2:10:53.800 great political strategist. He was like he was like their guy. 2:10:53.880 --> 2:10:57.400 He was the guy he wore cool leather jackets and 2:10:57.440 --> 2:10:59.560 ship like. He was the guy who was like in every. 2:10:59.480 --> 2:11:01.480 Day what you say a politician and left the jacket. 2:11:01.480 --> 2:11:06.680 You fucking run, yeah, you run a mile peak. Dad's 2:11:06.720 --> 2:11:07.920 trying to look cool energy. 2:11:08.440 --> 2:11:12.080 He he has retired from politics. It just abject failure 2:11:12.120 --> 2:11:15.320 because nothing ever fucking worked. One of the one of 2:11:15.480 --> 2:11:17.000 one of the big things that, you know, one of 2:11:17.000 --> 2:11:19.080 the big recent things that Pidamos did was help the 2:11:19.120 --> 2:11:21.920 Socialist Party crush the massive wave of metalworkers strikes that 2:11:21.960 --> 2:11:23.240 swept Spain in twenty eleven. 2:11:23.520 --> 2:11:24.600 In twenty twenty. 2:11:24.400 --> 2:11:28.000 One, so great stuff happening there like they're you know, 2:11:28.040 --> 2:11:32.120 they're not literally fascists, and that's that's their selling point. 2:11:32.360 --> 2:11:32.480 Uh. 2:11:32.600 --> 2:11:35.720 They fucking lose every election and they yeah, ran, ran, 2:11:35.840 --> 2:11:37.240 ran the social movements into the ground. 2:11:38.400 --> 2:11:42.240 Yeah, it's a They literally had a thing, didn't they, Like, Yeah, 2:11:42.240 --> 2:11:46.160 they're their men. Their initial manifesto was like to convert 2:11:46.200 --> 2:11:49.080 indignation into political change, and like the movement that began 2:11:49.120 --> 2:11:51.720 the occupation of the squares in Spain was called the 2:11:51.960 --> 2:11:55.680 indignats or indignaos in Catalando Spanish. Like the whole thing 2:11:55.800 --> 2:11:58.520 was like two channel this energy into a process which 2:11:58.560 --> 2:12:00.879 is literally designed to stop shit changing. 2:12:01.240 --> 2:12:03.800 Yeah, and you know, guess what, it didn't fucking change. 2:12:04.040 --> 2:12:06.800 They lost every election. They've never wanted an election. They're 2:12:06.840 --> 2:12:07.880 never going to wait an election. 2:12:09.320 --> 2:12:12.280 Yeah, remain in the street to my Spanish friends and 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:15.240 Kathlan friends and Basque friends and Galician friends and other 2:12:15.360 --> 2:12:16.760 friends in Iberia. 2:12:17.000 --> 2:12:18.240 Yeah. 2:12:18.360 --> 2:12:20.720 So all right, moving on to so, you know, we 2:12:20.760 --> 2:12:23.840 talked about how Spain had one of the biggest like 2:12:23.880 --> 2:12:27.280 movement into the squares type things. Greece I think technically 2:12:27.280 --> 2:12:30.160 gets the honor of having the first post two thousand 2:12:30.200 --> 2:12:33.120 and eight uprising, which was actually not an economic thing. 2:12:33.160 --> 2:12:36.640 It was the cops like murdered a fucking kid and 2:12:36.880 --> 2:12:40.040 people just lit shit on fire like it was. It 2:12:40.080 --> 2:12:40.920 was fucking wild. 2:12:41.240 --> 2:12:41.520 It was. 2:12:43.680 --> 2:12:46.480 There's a quote about like those first protests that I 2:12:46.760 --> 2:12:49.360 always I was thinking about in like the height of 2:12:49.400 --> 2:12:51.400 twenty twenty, when I was watching that guy in the 2:12:51.440 --> 2:12:55.040 elbow mask with a molotov like, which is you know 2:12:55.440 --> 2:12:58.960 that those first protests it was people. It wasn't It 2:12:58.960 --> 2:13:00.560 wasn't a people were trying. People wen't try to build 2:13:00.560 --> 2:13:02.480 a political movement. They just wanted destruction. 2:13:02.520 --> 2:13:04.560 Because yeah, yeah, they were angry and they wanted to 2:13:04.600 --> 2:13:05.400 ben shit down. 2:13:05.280 --> 2:13:08.560 Abject abject fury at the cops just murdering this child, 2:13:09.080 --> 2:13:12.600 and partially also they murdered this kid like in in Xarchia, 2:13:12.640 --> 2:13:16.880 which is like Greece's anarchists like neighborhood. So yeah, terrible 2:13:16.920 --> 2:13:17.960 idea by the police. 2:13:18.240 --> 2:13:18.880 Terrible thing. 2:13:19.360 --> 2:13:23.280 Greece has repeated massive protests. One of the reasons they're 2:13:23.280 --> 2:13:26.640 having these protests is that Greece is forced to accept 2:13:26.680 --> 2:13:31.120 these like crippling austerity measures by the Troika, which is 2:13:31.320 --> 2:13:33.760 this group that was running the bailouts in Europe, composed 2:13:33.760 --> 2:13:36.400 of the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank and 2:13:36.440 --> 2:13:39.880 the European Commission, which is basically the executive branch of 2:13:39.880 --> 2:13:42.360 the European Union with reps from all of the EU countries. 2:13:42.960 --> 2:13:45.760 And the product of this is that the only faction 2:13:45.840 --> 2:13:49.360 that ever actually mattered in the Troika was just Germany. Effectively, 2:13:49.360 --> 2:13:51.960 what was happening with Germany was imposing like a bunch 2:13:51.960 --> 2:13:53.240 of economic sanctions on. 2:13:54.440 --> 2:13:57.440 Yeah, this is when like the European Union became like 2:13:57.560 --> 2:14:02.360 what Germany says we do, especially from guide to this stuff. 2:14:02.960 --> 2:14:06.840 In the context of these massive protests, Greece elects Soresa, 2:14:07.120 --> 2:14:10.200 which is supposedly this left wing party that is going 2:14:10.280 --> 2:14:13.160 to you know, the specifically the mandate they were handed 2:14:13.960 --> 2:14:18.120 was stop the austerity and literally they are in negotiationd 2:14:18.160 --> 2:14:21.600 with the Troika. They have a plan in hand to 2:14:21.640 --> 2:14:24.360 tell the Troika to fuck off and for Greece to 2:14:24.440 --> 2:14:26.520 leave the European Union in to seat up capital controls 2:14:26.560 --> 2:14:29.400 to start, like, you know, this is a process that 2:14:29.440 --> 2:14:30.880 would have like the only way this could have function 2:14:30.960 --> 2:14:33.320 is they start, you know, they start literally like seizing 2:14:33.360 --> 2:14:37.960 property from like a bunch of fucking yacht owners. And 2:14:38.240 --> 2:14:41.360 instead of doing that literally at the last second with 2:14:41.480 --> 2:14:45.280 the plan in hand at the negotiating table, soresa folds. 2:14:45.600 --> 2:14:47.640 Instead they cut a deal with the Troika, they impose 2:14:47.760 --> 2:14:50.040 literally the exact same austerity measures they are put in 2:14:50.080 --> 2:14:54.960 power to stop. And then you know, now, now having 2:14:55.000 --> 2:14:57.920 done this, they're now facing their own giant anti sterity protests. 2:14:58.320 --> 2:15:03.520 And the thing that Theresa does is ally with the 2:15:03.600 --> 2:15:05.640 riot police. You, by the way, the things one of 2:15:05.640 --> 2:15:07.880 the ways that Resa got people to support them was 2:15:07.920 --> 2:15:12.320 specifically by running on basically completely rebuilding the Greek police force, 2:15:12.360 --> 2:15:17.400 because Greece's police force, oh yeah, fuck me, just straight. 2:15:17.040 --> 2:15:18.160 Up a bunch of Nazis. 2:15:18.280 --> 2:15:22.520 And when I say that, I literally they vote. I 2:15:22.520 --> 2:15:25.320 think it's ninety seven percent of their members voted for 2:15:25.360 --> 2:15:28.720 the Golden Dawn, which is like the Greek neo Nazi Party. Yeah, 2:15:29.000 --> 2:15:30.640 and like so many of these people vote for the 2:15:30.640 --> 2:15:33.000 Golden Down that they can be considered like a significant 2:15:33.040 --> 2:15:36.240 part of the total of the Golden Don's base. 2:15:36.680 --> 2:15:40.600 Yeah, perhaps more importantly of its like street fighting element 2:15:40.680 --> 2:15:43.120 that yeah, that kills anti fascists, right. 2:15:43.280 --> 2:15:46.160 Those guys, like the Golden Down eventually comes apart because 2:15:46.880 --> 2:15:51.120 they ordered the assassination of an anti fascist rapper from 2:15:51.160 --> 2:15:54.640 parliament and then had the guy killed. Yeah, yeah, just 2:15:54.800 --> 2:15:56.400 fucking batch it. And those are the people who the 2:15:56.400 --> 2:16:00.360 Greek police are supporting. But Sarge Sarsa needs them because 2:16:00.360 --> 2:16:02.600 they need the police to smash the anti serity movements 2:16:02.600 --> 2:16:05.240 to stop people from like knocking off their governments and 2:16:05.280 --> 2:16:08.280 stopping the austerity. And they do it. It works eventually, 2:16:08.320 --> 2:16:10.320 after years and years and years and years of just 2:16:10.360 --> 2:16:14.640 smashing these like smashing these protests with police, they're able 2:16:14.720 --> 2:16:17.200 to you know, they're they're they're able to stamp out 2:16:17.240 --> 2:16:19.920 the sort of the giant social movements. And the consequence 2:16:19.960 --> 2:16:23.880 of this is that they turn over Greece to just 2:16:24.920 --> 2:16:28.680 like a bunch of murderously far right, anti immigrant shitheads. 2:16:28.720 --> 2:16:32.200 Who are the people who currently run Greece. They're unbelievable, 2:16:32.240 --> 2:16:35.560 like just unbelievably right wing. These guys are so right 2:16:35.600 --> 2:16:38.040 wing they were trying to find ways to claim credit 2:16:38.160 --> 2:16:40.760 for getting it, like getting those like several hundred people 2:16:40.760 --> 2:16:44.160 on that migrant ship earlier this year killed. Like, yeah, 2:16:44.240 --> 2:16:46.440 that's that's who currently runs Greece, and that's who's the 2:16:46.480 --> 2:16:49.920 reason like turned power over to because they literally did nothing, 2:16:49.959 --> 2:16:50.880 it destroyed their own base. 2:16:51.800 --> 2:16:54.920 Yeah, it's probably worth like stopping to note here that 2:16:55.080 --> 2:17:01.119 like fearmongering around migrants has been the thing that has 2:17:01.240 --> 2:17:03.959 moved like straight up fascists into power in much of 2:17:04.000 --> 2:17:07.600 southern Europe, right like Italy and Greece, and like even 2:17:07.600 --> 2:17:09.320 if you're not a person who lives at the border, 2:17:09.360 --> 2:17:13.640 like this ship is absolutely like the playbook that the 2:17:13.680 --> 2:17:16.160 fire right is using all over the world, absolutely using 2:17:16.240 --> 2:17:19.040 here right now. And we have an election. You're here, 2:17:19.080 --> 2:17:21.600 and like you owe it to the world to correct 2:17:21.600 --> 2:17:24.240 that bullshit differformation whenever you can. Now that we're talking 2:17:24.240 --> 2:17:27.119 about Greece, can we just briefly mention the Archer of Syntagma, 2:17:27.120 --> 2:17:32.080 the biggest chad ever to walk the earth? Yeah, sorry, 2:17:32.959 --> 2:17:34.600 I can't do it. I got you an episode without 2:17:34.600 --> 2:17:38.119 this guy. If you are not familiar with Yannis mikkeladis 2:17:39.040 --> 2:17:42.680 this absolutely legend dude who took a bow and arrow 2:17:42.760 --> 2:17:45.800 to the protests, given a thirteen year sentence and then 2:17:45.879 --> 2:17:48.640 escape from prison I think was recaptured and then it 2:17:48.720 --> 2:17:51.440 went on hunger straight for a while. Just just this 2:17:51.560 --> 2:17:56.040 series of experts that they're truly legendary, incredible. 2:17:56.840 --> 2:18:03.920 They replace this with fucking h just being another party 2:18:03.920 --> 2:18:05.000 that imposed Austeria. 2:18:05.080 --> 2:18:07.800 Yeah, like, no, no one's replaced that guy. He's still 2:18:07.959 --> 2:18:10.400 h he's still but as. 2:18:10.400 --> 2:18:15.080 As as they replaced the political movement that produced this guy, yeah, 2:18:15.080 --> 2:18:20.040 with like just just genuinely the greatest glowdown in human history. 2:18:20.800 --> 2:18:21.840 Just terrible stuff. 2:18:22.160 --> 2:18:24.000 Yeah, it's it's very sad. It could have been a 2:18:24.040 --> 2:18:26.120 wonderful thing. There are still like Greece has still a 2:18:26.200 --> 2:18:30.400 very strong and and and uh like a respectable anarchist movement. 2:18:30.480 --> 2:18:33.720 I'm trying to get over there to they squat large 2:18:33.760 --> 2:18:37.400 areas of housing for migrants to like allow microslip in it. 2:18:37.440 --> 2:18:39.560 And it's extremely based and I'm trying to get spend 2:18:39.560 --> 2:18:41.039 some time forgot to mention this. 2:18:41.240 --> 2:18:44.560 So they also do this in Spain, and so I've 2:18:44.560 --> 2:18:46.240 talked about this on the show before, but I actually 2:18:46.240 --> 2:18:48.360 mentioned it here since we're doing this. Uh So, one 2:18:48.400 --> 2:18:51.560 of podemos is like regional allies as Barcelona and Camu. 2:18:51.840 --> 2:18:54.160 First thing that Barcelona and Camu did upon taking power 2:18:54.200 --> 2:18:56.320 was a victim immigrant squat because they knew it wouldn't 2:18:56.320 --> 2:18:58.199 have enough defenses to stop the police and victim. 2:18:58.520 --> 2:18:59.560 So fuck these people. 2:18:59.560 --> 2:19:01.360 Those people used to be anarchists, they're traders. 2:19:01.440 --> 2:19:04.320 Fuck them yeah, and this happens constantly, right, like the 2:19:04.400 --> 2:19:08.119 Senate entered into government in nineteen thirty six with the 2:19:08.160 --> 2:19:11.160 Spanish Socialist Party and getting and got completely owned by 2:19:11.600 --> 2:19:14.240 Moscow and extremely predictable fashion, and all their friends got 2:19:14.280 --> 2:19:17.720 in some cases literally flayed alive. Perhaps consider not doing 2:19:17.760 --> 2:19:18.480 that next time. 2:19:19.040 --> 2:19:21.560 Yeah, So, speaking of being played alive, do you know 2:19:21.680 --> 2:19:24.000 do you know who else will flay you alive? You 2:19:24.000 --> 2:19:25.520 don't buy buy their stuff? 2:19:26.280 --> 2:19:29.400 Is it their products and services? I support this podcast again, 2:19:29.520 --> 2:19:32.160 isn't it? They're fucking they're all over that shit. We 2:19:32.240 --> 2:19:33.680 can't say that, can we just bleep? 2:19:33.680 --> 2:19:33.760 It? 2:19:33.840 --> 2:19:34.000 Mean? 2:19:44.840 --> 2:19:45.160 All right? 2:19:45.200 --> 2:19:45.680 We're back? 2:19:45.840 --> 2:19:48.760 So all right, we need to talk about two other 2:19:48.840 --> 2:19:51.680 places where this kind of stuff happened. We're leaving Europe. 2:19:51.720 --> 2:19:54.000 We're gonna go We're going to go to briefly, we're 2:19:54.000 --> 2:19:57.880 going to go to the Anglophone world now, a deeply 2:19:58.040 --> 2:20:02.400 cursed place. In the US, all of these same people 2:20:02.440 --> 2:20:05.959 gained power. Their giant political project, and their only real 2:20:06.000 --> 2:20:09.560 political project, was attempting to elect Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders 2:20:09.560 --> 2:20:12.240 lost two consecutive elections, first to Hillary Clinton, the most 2:20:12.280 --> 2:20:15.480 unpopular Democratic presidential candidate in modern history, and then lost 2:20:15.480 --> 2:20:17.720 a second election to Joe Biden de Manso. See now 2:20:17.800 --> 2:20:22.000 he forgot what president he served as VP under. And 2:20:22.480 --> 2:20:24.680 I'm only mentioning this because these are these are the 2:20:24.680 --> 2:20:26.680 people who spend all of their time talking about how 2:20:26.760 --> 2:20:29.200 serious they are about taking power, and they got their 2:20:29.240 --> 2:20:34.360 rass kicked by again Hillary Clinton, the most unpopular candidate 2:20:34.440 --> 2:20:36.560 in the entire history, like the bordered history of the 2:20:36.560 --> 2:20:41.039 Democratic Party, and Joe fucking bited a man like I 2:20:41.200 --> 2:20:44.360 just okay, And instead the one guy they did run 2:20:44.360 --> 2:20:47.600 and managed to actually like get into power was one 2:20:47.800 --> 2:20:48.680 John Fetterman. 2:20:49.760 --> 2:20:52.440 Oh yeah, yeah, Look he's had some banging tweets, but 2:20:52.520 --> 2:20:55.360 he's been a complete fucking turd in his time in office. 2:20:55.480 --> 2:20:57.920 I'm pissed about this because from the very beginning, I 2:20:57.959 --> 2:21:01.480 was like, this guy sucks ass. He's a Zionist, anti immigrants' 2:21:01.760 --> 2:21:03.080 he fucking sees. 2:21:02.959 --> 2:21:06.840 Anti trousers, he opposes said anything below the knee, And 2:21:06.920 --> 2:21:09.640 no one fucking believed me this. His campaign was run 2:21:09.680 --> 2:21:13.440 by a bunch of fucking DSA people, and instead they 2:21:13.440 --> 2:21:17.400 elected John fucking Fetterman, who hates everyone who fucking worked 2:21:17.400 --> 2:21:20.520 with him, is just screaming like the same fascist, anti 2:21:20.560 --> 2:21:22.840 immigrant borders. He's also in the pocket of big egg. 2:21:24.720 --> 2:21:27.320 He's made he's introduced a bill to not allow people 2:21:27.360 --> 2:21:29.160 to go vegan ex substitutes egg. 2:21:30.080 --> 2:21:33.920 But he's not even in like the pocket of like 2:21:34.040 --> 2:21:36.160 good big egg. Like he's not in the pocket of 2:21:36.200 --> 2:21:38.959 like big people who haven't realized that they're trans yet. 2:21:39.000 --> 2:21:39.160 No. 2:21:39.160 --> 2:21:41.080 No, he's in the pocket of bad big egg. 2:21:41.480 --> 2:21:43.520 I think that's an act of solidarity. Like as a 2:21:43.520 --> 2:21:45.920 as a man with a giant ball dome, he somewhat 2:21:45.920 --> 2:21:48.840 resembles an egg, so he feels like communion with other eggs. 2:21:48.840 --> 2:21:52.119 I think that's what he says. Yeah, so okay, that 2:21:52.120 --> 2:21:52.640 that's the US. 2:21:52.840 --> 2:21:55.560 At some point, we're gonna do another episode about that 2:21:55.760 --> 2:21:59.200 all of the just fucking absolute dipshits that they elected 2:21:59.200 --> 2:22:01.920 in the elected in LA who've been doing like just 2:22:01.959 --> 2:22:05.480 sweeping homeless camps. So fuck them. But that's that's not today. 2:22:05.680 --> 2:22:09.480 We're we're in segonna move to Corbin. So all right, 2:22:09.520 --> 2:22:13.080 So the British last in the beginning of I know 2:22:13.120 --> 2:22:16.039 it's this is like impossible to imagine now, but in 2:22:16.080 --> 2:22:19.040 the beginning of the twenty tens that Britain had a 2:22:19.120 --> 2:22:21.600 vibrant and expanding left they had a bunch of straight movements, 2:22:21.600 --> 2:22:24.000 They had the student protests, they had a bunch of riots, 2:22:24.400 --> 2:22:26.600 and all of that energy and all of those fucking people, 2:22:27.160 --> 2:22:30.480 you know, got got sucked up by Corbinism, and Corbin 2:22:30.800 --> 2:22:34.800 lost an election to Boris fucking Johnson, a man who 2:22:34.840 --> 2:22:38.320 was ousted by his own party and replaced by Liz 2:22:38.440 --> 2:22:41.840 shorter term than a cabbage trust, like you know, and 2:22:41.959 --> 2:22:43.680 all of these people, all these people I've I've had 2:22:43.680 --> 2:22:45.480 to talk to these people for fucking years and years 2:22:45.480 --> 2:22:47.680 and years, right, and their whole thing was like, well, okay, like, 2:22:47.680 --> 2:22:50.240 but the media read the election against us, and the 2:22:50.320 --> 2:22:53.440 Labor Party was trying to stablish just like yeah, no shit, 2:22:53.920 --> 2:22:55.960 what the what the fuck did you expect was going 2:22:55.959 --> 2:22:59.360 to happen? Did you seriously think if you even like 2:22:59.680 --> 2:23:03.440 just remotely wanted to challenge capital at all? Did you 2:23:03.480 --> 2:23:06.600 seriously expect that the poorgeoisie were gonna play by the rules? 2:23:06.720 --> 2:23:08.720 What the fuck did you think was gonna happen? 2:23:09.200 --> 2:23:10.879 Did you think they were just gonna fucking sit there 2:23:10.879 --> 2:23:13.760 and let you take power because your ideas were somewhat popular, Like, no, 2:23:14.000 --> 2:23:15.720 of course they fucking were. Of course they were going 2:23:15.720 --> 2:23:17.000 to say what taut you and the whole fucking thing 2:23:17.040 --> 2:23:19.400 about the media. It's like, well, yeah, of course, you know, like, yeah, 2:23:19.440 --> 2:23:22.760 obviously the media in Britain is run by the fucking Burdox. 2:23:23.200 --> 2:23:27.440 Their press isn't unbelievably insanely right wing. Sure, however, coma, 2:23:27.680 --> 2:23:30.360 you guys are the ones who decided to pick an 2:23:30.440 --> 2:23:33.200 arena where your candidate and your entire political project can 2:23:33.240 --> 2:23:36.400 be sunk by negative press attention. You picked that arena 2:23:36.480 --> 2:23:39.160 to fight, and then on top of that, you ran 2:23:39.400 --> 2:23:43.360 a completely conventional political campaign. Right, Literally, all you did 2:23:43.400 --> 2:23:46.000 was fucking campus, You ran a completely conventional political campaign, 2:23:46.000 --> 2:23:48.160 and that everyone's fucking Pikachu facing that they had like 2:23:48.200 --> 2:23:50.360 one of the worst labor losses in modern history, right, 2:23:50.760 --> 2:23:54.440 Like okay, what what the fuck did you think was 2:23:54.480 --> 2:23:55.199 going to happen? 2:23:55.760 --> 2:23:55.960 Right? 2:23:56.200 --> 2:23:56.320 Then? 2:23:56.520 --> 2:23:57.840 This this is again, this is one of the reasons 2:23:57.840 --> 2:24:00.520 why electoralism doesn't work, because if you're in a field 2:24:00.520 --> 2:24:04.680 that is entirely about the popularity of one person, and 2:24:04.840 --> 2:24:07.520 there's an entire apparatus that is able, that is better 2:24:07.560 --> 2:24:10.040 able than you to directly communicate to the entire population 2:24:10.120 --> 2:24:13.000 to tell them that that one person is fucking bad. 2:24:13.240 --> 2:24:16.520 Of course, you're gonna fucking lose, Like what did you 2:24:16.520 --> 2:24:19.080 think was gonna happen? And now you know the Labor 2:24:19.080 --> 2:24:21.560 Party is run by Cure Starmer, who is like the 2:24:21.600 --> 2:24:24.519 most right wing labor candidate since like Tony Blair. 2:24:24.720 --> 2:24:26.800 He prosecuted the people who were in the streets in 2:24:26.840 --> 2:24:29.879 twenty ten. Right, Like that that is where we've got 2:24:29.879 --> 2:24:33.040 to now. It's like we have a choice between like 2:24:33.360 --> 2:24:37.120 Ricci like send gunboats into the channel to smink sink 2:24:37.160 --> 2:24:40.040 the small ship Sunak and the guy who wants to 2:24:40.080 --> 2:24:42.400 look you up for taking a bottle of water from 2:24:42.440 --> 2:24:44.600 boots in twenty ten. 2:24:44.760 --> 2:24:47.160 Like it's yeah, it's not a choice. And that's and 2:24:47.320 --> 2:24:49.760 like the corporate left has been basically completely liquidated. The 2:24:49.760 --> 2:24:51.640 only thing that's left if you are these media organizations 2:24:51.680 --> 2:24:53.600 who are all attacking right as fast as they can 2:24:53.760 --> 2:24:56.320 possibly fucking move because that's where the fucking money is 2:24:56.320 --> 2:24:58.280 and because you know Starmar actually used to be a 2:24:58.280 --> 2:25:00.600 trotsky Ie and all of these people. No, but the 2:25:00.600 --> 2:25:02.440 way you actually if if you were on the left 2:25:02.440 --> 2:25:04.200 and you want to take electoral power in Britain, the 2:25:04.240 --> 2:25:06.280 way you do it has become a conservative and it 2:25:06.320 --> 2:25:06.760 will work. 2:25:06.840 --> 2:25:10.120 Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, look look at Tony Blair, right, 2:25:10.360 --> 2:25:14.359 he was extremely successful in like criminalizing being a teenager 2:25:14.440 --> 2:25:18.560 and these insanely right wing policies. Again, people aren't familiar 2:25:18.640 --> 2:25:20.800 with anti social behavior orders in Britain. They should, they 2:25:20.840 --> 2:25:23.560 should look them up. And oh my god, machines that 2:25:23.640 --> 2:25:26.039 make noise to keep young people out of public space, 2:25:26.400 --> 2:25:29.400 like to fully yeah, like the shit he was doing 2:25:29.640 --> 2:25:33.080 was insane. And but if youople continue to well, look 2:25:33.680 --> 2:25:36.800 Britain's electoral system. If you think America's electoral system as fucked, 2:25:37.080 --> 2:25:40.680 check out first past the Post, like fully insane. One 2:25:40.680 --> 2:25:42.680 of the areas I lived when I was a kid, Like, 2:25:43.080 --> 2:25:45.720 you just didn't have an option. There was some like 2:25:46.040 --> 2:25:49.320 someone named Giles or a similar kind of like Giles 2:25:49.360 --> 2:25:53.039 vibing name, or a token Lib DEM candidate, and like, 2:25:53.400 --> 2:25:56.000 you know, Marmaduke was your only choice really, like like, 2:25:56.800 --> 2:25:58.560 which is why I did not engage in the practice 2:25:58.560 --> 2:26:01.080 of voting in the United Kingdom. But yeah, it is 2:26:01.080 --> 2:26:02.600 a funck system. 2:26:02.800 --> 2:26:05.840 Yeah, And again it's like, well, yeah, you chose a 2:26:05.920 --> 2:26:08.440 rigged system to participate in in the first place. And 2:26:08.480 --> 2:26:11.560 then it's like, well you lost, well yeah, it was like, yes, 2:26:11.920 --> 2:26:13.920 you can complain that it was rigged against you. But 2:26:14.000 --> 2:26:16.080 you should have known that going in, if you were 2:26:16.120 --> 2:26:18.400 genuinely serious about taking power, you had to know that, 2:26:18.440 --> 2:26:22.000 and you fucking didn't, And now your entire country has 2:26:22.000 --> 2:26:26.840 been absolutely destroyed. So that's the UK, and we're going down. 2:26:26.840 --> 2:26:29.199 And so from there we're going to pivot to Latin America, 2:26:29.320 --> 2:26:31.640 where there is a very very long history. In fact, 2:26:31.800 --> 2:26:33.959 a lot of the Latin America parties we'll be talking 2:26:33.959 --> 2:26:36.600 about mostly aren't even parties that took over from the 2:26:36.600 --> 2:26:40.320 momentum of twenty eleven like uprisings. They're from like the 2:26:40.400 --> 2:26:44.039 two thousand and one movements, people who hijacked like two 2:26:44.160 --> 2:26:46.800 generations back of social movements by this point. 2:26:47.440 --> 2:26:49.280 And I think that the post twenty eleven stuff was 2:26:49.320 --> 2:26:51.720 inspired by the pink wave stuff in Latin America, right, 2:26:51.800 --> 2:26:53.280 like it goes around in the circle. 2:26:53.920 --> 2:26:55.400 Yeah, So so now we're going to check in on 2:26:55.400 --> 2:26:57.760 how the pink tide's doing. The answer is absolutely dog shit. 2:26:58.120 --> 2:27:03.840 So we're gonna go to Ecuador first. So, okay, Ecuador 2:27:04.040 --> 2:27:06.680 is right now a complete fucking disaster. It shouldn't be 2:27:06.800 --> 2:27:10.720 like this though. In theory, Correa is like the is 2:27:10.800 --> 2:27:13.160 the guy and he's like the leftist guy in Ecuador. 2:27:13.240 --> 2:27:15.480 He's like he is their guy who came out of 2:27:15.480 --> 2:27:18.920 the pink tide, and in theory, his party should win 2:27:19.200 --> 2:27:22.480 like basically every Ecuadorian election from now to the end 2:27:22.520 --> 2:27:26.199 of time. They should, in theory have the easiest job 2:27:26.360 --> 2:27:29.440 of like every every any electoralers we're talking about, in 2:27:29.520 --> 2:27:31.920 this party, they have had. They had a decade in 2:27:32.000 --> 2:27:35.199 power to just completely destroy all of their political oppositions 2:27:35.320 --> 2:27:37.520 and you know, to completely rebuild the economy and political 2:27:37.560 --> 2:27:39.080 landshape in a way that would have made the right 2:27:39.120 --> 2:27:45.120 taking power impossible. Instead, his party is completely unelectable and 2:27:45.160 --> 2:27:47.560 have an out of power for eight fucking years. After 2:27:47.959 --> 2:27:50.440 Lennon Moreno, who is the guy that they literally the 2:27:50.520 --> 2:27:52.720 hand picked guy that they picked to run their own 2:27:52.760 --> 2:27:56.640 party purge them all, tried to have Correa arrested and 2:27:57.200 --> 2:28:00.720 spent the entire rest of his career being a right winger. Now, 2:28:01.080 --> 2:28:03.840 even after even after they got purged for their own 2:28:03.840 --> 2:28:05.800 party by the guy that they handpicked to put into 2:28:05.800 --> 2:28:07.280 power decks after they would turned out to be a 2:28:07.360 --> 2:28:10.800 right winger, even after that happened, they still should have 2:28:10.879 --> 2:28:13.880 been able to win like every fucking election. However, KMA 2:28:14.879 --> 2:28:18.920 Korea instead of like doing normal leftist stuff, spent like 2:28:19.040 --> 2:28:21.920 his entire career sending riot police to beat the shit 2:28:21.920 --> 2:28:24.200 out of the digitus eychological protesters who didn't want them 2:28:24.240 --> 2:28:26.720 drinking water to be poisoned by minds, which means there 2:28:26.720 --> 2:28:30.920 were a huge number of like indigenous leftists who should 2:28:31.000 --> 2:28:34.119 be part of like the left wing base, who Wilma, 2:28:34.320 --> 2:28:37.080 under any circumstances vote for Korea even if he was 2:28:37.160 --> 2:28:41.240 running against literally the devil, because he fucking beat the 2:28:41.280 --> 2:28:44.520 shit out of them, like fuck you like and you know, 2:28:44.560 --> 2:28:50.000 and this one I should briefly explain, like, Okay, this 2:28:50.040 --> 2:28:53.120 is this is obviously a very very simplified this is yes, 2:28:53.200 --> 2:28:55.160 a political I mean, I'm gonna do a political compass 2:28:55.200 --> 2:29:00.200 thing that's very simplified, but I think gets across one 2:29:00.200 --> 2:29:04.920 of the major kind of like breaks in a lot 2:29:04.920 --> 2:29:07.280 of Latin American countries that have real lefts and also 2:29:07.320 --> 2:29:11.039 whose economies are largely based on resource extraction, which is 2:29:11.080 --> 2:29:13.400 that Okay, so you know, you have you have your 2:29:13.480 --> 2:29:15.320 kind of political compass like you would in the US, 2:29:15.440 --> 2:29:17.160 you have a let you have a left right axis, 2:29:17.800 --> 2:29:20.400 but in a lot of these countries, the updown access 2:29:20.480 --> 2:29:25.160 isn't like statist anti status. The updown access is on 2:29:25.240 --> 2:29:27.959 the one hand you have like developmental extractivists and on 2:29:28.000 --> 2:29:31.680 the other hand you have ecological anti extractivists. 2:29:32.680 --> 2:29:34.640 So what this means in. 2:29:34.560 --> 2:29:39.200 Practice is there's this giant divide over whether or not 2:29:39.360 --> 2:29:42.480 you should do drilling on indigenous land. So for example, 2:29:42.480 --> 2:29:44.879 you have the current right wing Ecuadorian government which is 2:29:45.000 --> 2:29:47.000 extractivist in right wing, and this means they think you 2:29:47.000 --> 2:29:49.160 should drill on indigenous land and you should take all 2:29:49.160 --> 2:29:50.360 of the money you get from that and give it 2:29:50.400 --> 2:29:54.640 the rich people. There is you know, Korea's government was 2:29:54.720 --> 2:29:57.680 extractivist and left wing, which means that you know, you 2:29:57.920 --> 2:30:00.000 you do, you do all the mining on indigenous land, 2:30:00.040 --> 2:30:01.080 then you take the money and you give it to 2:30:01.080 --> 2:30:04.959 a welfare state. And then opposed to him was a 2:30:04.959 --> 2:30:09.080 bunch of anti extractivists, indigenous ecological groups who want redistribution, 2:30:09.560 --> 2:30:12.959 but they don't want like they don't want people poisoning 2:30:12.959 --> 2:30:17.480 their water with minds, so they oppost Korea because they 2:30:17.480 --> 2:30:19.720 don't want their shit mind And then there's also Krea 2:30:19.760 --> 2:30:22.720 is also opposed by these like liberal environmental NGOs who 2:30:23.440 --> 2:30:26.840 like don't want the Amazon destroyed, but also like poor 2:30:26.879 --> 2:30:31.320 people can go fuck themselves. And this this has made 2:30:31.680 --> 2:30:34.800 the way the consolation of these things have worked out 2:30:34.840 --> 2:30:37.280 means that like that what should be like a pretty 2:30:37.320 --> 2:30:41.160 normal left right political alignment thing has gone completely nuts. 2:30:41.200 --> 2:30:43.200 There's a bunch of like there's a bunch of sort 2:30:43.200 --> 2:30:45.360 of like econological indigenous groups who have gone hard, who 2:30:45.360 --> 2:30:47.200 have like swung right because the right wingers are the 2:30:47.240 --> 2:30:50.400 only people who will support them against Korea. Meanwhile, the 2:30:50.440 --> 2:30:54.320 actual like indigenous electoral opposition in his various forms is 2:30:54.360 --> 2:30:57.760 a complete fucking disaster. Patrick Cutik, which is like the 2:30:57.959 --> 2:31:00.680 this is the like the big sort of like indigenous 2:31:00.840 --> 2:31:04.240 electoral alliance. They keep running this guy named yaku Perez, 2:31:04.440 --> 2:31:08.160 who is like he's like the only person in the 2:31:08.360 --> 2:31:12.039 entirety of Ecuador who's more unelectable than Korea. Is like 2:31:12.120 --> 2:31:15.280 nobody fucking even even the additions opposition to Korea like 2:31:15.360 --> 2:31:20.199 doesn't like him. So and and then you know, eventually 2:31:20.840 --> 2:31:23.840 Jakuperez like left the party, but it doesn't really matter 2:31:23.879 --> 2:31:26.760 because they still just lose every single election. The the 2:31:27.120 --> 2:31:30.080 left just there's completely dysfunctional, and you know there's there's 2:31:30.120 --> 2:31:32.480 other like things going on here. Too, which is that like, 2:31:32.840 --> 2:31:36.560 for example, Korea is like has an unbelievably hardline anti 2:31:36.600 --> 2:31:40.360 abortion stance, Like he he threatened to resign if his 2:31:40.440 --> 2:31:42.959 party tried to pass legislation that would allow abortion in 2:31:43.000 --> 2:31:45.760 the case of rape. Like that's how anti abortioned this 2:31:45.800 --> 2:31:50.120 guy is. Fucking that's bad. This is like like, okay, yes, 2:31:50.160 --> 2:31:52.920 this is this is this is a very very Catholic country, right. 2:31:54.520 --> 2:31:59.680 Even by that standards, that's fucking nuts, Like yeah, Jesus Christ, Yeah, 2:31:59.760 --> 2:32:01.720 that that's rough. You know. 2:32:01.879 --> 2:32:05.199 So the product of this is that a a country 2:32:05.200 --> 2:32:08.000 that has a like a decently centered left electoral like 2:32:08.080 --> 2:32:09.800 electorate in theory. 2:32:09.560 --> 2:32:11.720 Has produced three straight conservative governments. 2:32:12.080 --> 2:32:12.160 Uh. 2:32:12.240 --> 2:32:15.560 These governments have absolutely annihilated the Ecuadorian economy and the 2:32:15.600 --> 2:32:19.400 welfare state and left it prey to like to organize crime. 2:32:19.480 --> 2:32:22.440 Who you know, unlike the just completely dysfunctional electorian state 2:32:22.440 --> 2:32:25.200 can at least provide like a semi stable income. But 2:32:25.240 --> 2:32:28.080 the downside of this is that they're organized crime, so 2:32:29.360 --> 2:32:34.240 you know, not things going very badly. You've probably seen 2:32:34.280 --> 2:32:36.920 some of the like absolutely wild videos of stuff of 2:32:37.040 --> 2:32:40.880 like people storming like like armed groups just like storming 2:32:41.800 --> 2:32:46.359 like TV stations. They assassinate. They'vessassinated actually several presidential candidates. 2:32:46.360 --> 2:32:50.880 Now, yeah, that was it's been there on a wild one. Yeah, 2:32:50.920 --> 2:32:54.640 it's it's really bad. On Christmas Eve, if I was 2:32:54.680 --> 2:32:58.640 talking to a family from Ecuador who's gone to the 2:32:58.720 --> 2:33:00.560 US to get some medical treatment for the son who 2:33:00.680 --> 2:33:03.400 very manifestly needed help, and they were telling me like 2:33:03.560 --> 2:33:07.440 just of their life experiences and like it was bad. 2:33:08.320 --> 2:33:11.480 It was like I've been to some places where violence 2:33:11.520 --> 2:33:14.039 it happens, and like the stuff that they were telling 2:33:14.080 --> 2:33:15.240 me was shocking. 2:33:15.520 --> 2:33:19.920 It's gotten really, really bad since basically between twenty fifteen 2:33:19.959 --> 2:33:24.080 and twenty seventeen, and it's just progressively gotten worse. As 2:33:24.080 --> 2:33:27.520 He's right, when governments have stayed in power, and you know, 2:33:27.640 --> 2:33:30.959 right now, right now, there hasn't been an alternative to 2:33:30.959 --> 2:33:33.200 them because the electoralists toured again. The people who are 2:33:33.200 --> 2:33:36.680 supposed to be serious about taking power are just a 2:33:36.720 --> 2:33:39.080 complete fucking disaster and can't do anything. 2:33:39.879 --> 2:33:43.200 Yeah, Career can't literally can't go back to Ecuador now, right, 2:33:44.000 --> 2:33:45.879 I think he might be. I think he can go back. 2:33:45.920 --> 2:33:46.040 Now. 2:33:46.040 --> 2:33:47.560 There was a while where there was a war and 2:33:47.560 --> 2:33:51.840 out for his arrest. I think he's back now, Okay, yeah, 2:33:51.920 --> 2:33:54.199 but the ray. 2:33:54.000 --> 2:33:54.879 Of lighte for ecuadors. 2:33:54.920 --> 2:33:58.000 The Ecuador still has a lot of very like of 2:33:58.879 --> 2:34:02.000 very militant street movement who have been winning, have actually 2:34:02.040 --> 2:34:05.000 been like winning concessions from governments when they go when 2:34:05.000 --> 2:34:08.720 they go into the streets. So that's good inter law. 2:34:08.800 --> 2:34:10.640 One day the electorals get the fuck out of their 2:34:10.680 --> 2:34:15.480 way and they win. But hasn't happened yet. Things are 2:34:15.760 --> 2:34:18.560 really bleak. On that note. Do you know what's not really. 2:34:18.320 --> 2:34:25.480 Bleak the possibility of buying gold coins. Yeah, to insulate 2:34:25.520 --> 2:34:29.720 ourselves against inflation. Yep. You'd be stoked if you had 2:34:29.720 --> 2:34:33.120 a ton of gold, neck kudo, wouldn't you? Currency has 2:34:33.120 --> 2:34:35.080 gone to ship sitting on your pile of gold like 2:34:35.080 --> 2:34:48.720 Scrooge McDuck, you'd be you'd be living the dream. 2:34:48.760 --> 2:34:51.640 All right, And we're back. So all right, we're gonna 2:34:51.680 --> 2:34:55.000 take a couple of other take a few other places 2:34:55.040 --> 2:34:59.560 that the electoral left has won in uh Chavismo is 2:34:59.640 --> 2:35:04.279 dead as door nail. Maduro's slashing pensions, alarizing the economies, 2:35:04.280 --> 2:35:06.200 cutting a bunch of deals with American oil companies, and 2:35:06.240 --> 2:35:08.800 has arrested leadership the Venezuelan Commnist Party again. 2:35:09.760 --> 2:35:10.480 Keeps doing this. 2:35:11.520 --> 2:35:15.240 So, you know, things things going great, like obviously not 2:35:15.440 --> 2:35:19.440 helped by the blockade, which is very bad, but like, 2:35:19.920 --> 2:35:22.800 you know, not great Marina, which we're not going to 2:35:22.840 --> 2:35:25.600 talk an enormous At some point we're gonna like actually 2:35:25.920 --> 2:35:29.640 do a thing like actually go talk to the Zapatistas. 2:35:29.800 --> 2:35:34.879 But things are not good there right now. So the 2:35:35.000 --> 2:35:39.680 left in theory kind of has taken power in Mexico. Unfortunately, 2:35:39.760 --> 2:35:42.760 the moment they took power, they immediately tacked right, handed 2:35:42.800 --> 2:35:45.279 control of vast swaths of the country over to the military, 2:35:45.840 --> 2:35:47.720 built a train through a bunch of indigenous land and 2:35:47.720 --> 2:35:49.439 then gave that to the military. 2:35:50.120 --> 2:35:52.360 Yeah, switched to a bunch of military come ons around 2:35:52.600 --> 2:35:55.480 because they like claimed that the old guys were corrupt. 2:35:57.080 --> 2:35:58.760 Yeah, And then you know, and one of the other 2:35:58.800 --> 2:36:01.160 things that is really bleak about it was that, like 2:36:02.280 --> 2:36:06.400 the whole premise of Omlo like coming into power was 2:36:06.600 --> 2:36:08.600 like he ran in the campaign hugs not bullets, right, 2:36:08.680 --> 2:36:10.000 His whole thing was he was supposed to be ending 2:36:10.040 --> 2:36:10.800 the war on drugs. 2:36:10.879 --> 2:36:13.880 Did he end the war on drugs? Absolutely? Not of 2:36:13.879 --> 2:36:17.280 power to the military. People still getting fucking slaughtered. Yeah, 2:36:17.320 --> 2:36:19.080 I don't know. I definitely saw a bunch of dudes 2:36:19.080 --> 2:36:22.120 in ski mask with a fifty cow chilling just the 2:36:22.160 --> 2:36:25.800 other side of the border, yeah, by the government two 2:36:25.840 --> 2:36:26.400 days ago. 2:36:26.840 --> 2:36:29.080 And and and instead of doing that, he's also been 2:36:29.360 --> 2:36:32.599 like continuing to like escalating the war against his appatistas 2:36:32.680 --> 2:36:35.720 who have been getting just like people getting fucking murdered 2:36:36.240 --> 2:36:39.680 by a bunch of these government backed para militaries. It's 2:36:40.320 --> 2:36:41.760 really fucking bleak out. 2:36:41.640 --> 2:36:42.320 There right now. 2:36:43.280 --> 2:36:43.520 Yeah. 2:36:43.560 --> 2:36:45.000 So that that that's been, that's been. 2:36:44.920 --> 2:36:48.480 The legacy of Omlo finally winning a Mexican election is 2:36:48.640 --> 2:36:52.480 the most bright winging possible. Omlo governments, like I will 2:36:52.480 --> 2:36:54.760 say they're better on trans stuff than everyone, like the 2:36:54.800 --> 2:36:58.480 other parties who were all completely nuts, but that's about 2:36:58.520 --> 2:36:59.560 the only bright spot. 2:37:00.400 --> 2:37:03.720 Yeah. I mean, like they were in bilfteral negotiations with 2:37:03.760 --> 2:37:06.080 the US, and like when the US clicked its fingers 2:37:06.120 --> 2:37:08.600 and said shut down these gaps in the border, they 2:37:09.280 --> 2:37:11.039 sent a bunch of National guards. So I'll just to 2:37:11.040 --> 2:37:12.640 sit right at the gap in the border war. 2:37:12.920 --> 2:37:14.440 They've been They been doing a bunch of just like 2:37:14.520 --> 2:37:18.160 horrific anti border shit. Imil was also just like pretty 2:37:18.160 --> 2:37:20.720 friendly with Trump, which. 2:37:20.640 --> 2:37:22.320 Yeah, there was a populist thing there. 2:37:22.720 --> 2:37:26.360 Yeah, so that fucking sucks. And so we're going to 2:37:26.440 --> 2:37:30.480 close on the maas Oh boy. So there's been a 2:37:30.520 --> 2:37:36.520 bunch of stuff happening in Bolivia that I don't I 2:37:36.760 --> 2:37:42.760 don't think most Americans have heard much about. So the 2:37:42.840 --> 2:37:48.840 Maasment movement for socialism, there's some other shit, but yeah, 2:37:48.879 --> 2:37:51.720 they are well okay, So for most of the time 2:37:51.760 --> 2:37:55.120 they've existed, it's been even more Alse's party. However, Comma 2:37:56.000 --> 2:37:59.240 it was always kind of a weird coalition because the 2:37:59.280 --> 2:38:05.080 MAS is this coalition between like the social movements, and 2:38:05.280 --> 2:38:07.480 in this context, like people say social movements, this includes 2:38:07.520 --> 2:38:10.840 like you know, like giant like movement groups, but also 2:38:11.040 --> 2:38:14.200 like unions and stuff. So it was a coalition of 2:38:14.240 --> 2:38:18.200 these unions and these like developmentalist capitalists who are well 2:38:18.360 --> 2:38:21.160 together by evil morallies and some of his allies, and 2:38:21.360 --> 2:38:23.720 you know, the sort of common ground of forging a 2:38:23.879 --> 2:38:28.640 like quote unquote indigenous Florid national state that's based on 2:38:28.840 --> 2:38:31.879 like based on forging a welfare state, based on like 2:38:32.040 --> 2:38:36.080 mining and extractive stuff and like oil drilling and stuff, 2:38:37.440 --> 2:38:39.600 and also based on the emersions of this new sort 2:38:39.640 --> 2:38:42.640 of indigenous middle class. Right now, it has split in 2:38:42.680 --> 2:38:47.400 two between an Evil Morales faction and who was the 2:38:47.400 --> 2:38:49.480 foreign president, was president for a very very long time, 2:38:49.920 --> 2:38:53.080 and Luis Octre, who was the who is the current 2:38:53.120 --> 2:38:55.720 president Oblivia, but has been kicked out of the MS 2:38:56.120 --> 2:38:57.360 by EVO and his faction. 2:38:58.040 --> 2:38:59.640 So this is a disaster. 2:39:00.520 --> 2:39:04.120 They both of them, both Okra and Evil Morales, have 2:39:04.200 --> 2:39:07.560 these they have a lot of personal alliances within the 2:39:07.560 --> 2:39:10.320 social movements, and this means it's been a very very 2:39:10.360 --> 2:39:11.000 messy split. 2:39:11.040 --> 2:39:14.119 And you know, this is not okay. 2:39:14.240 --> 2:39:16.959 If you look at these two people, you would expect 2:39:17.000 --> 2:39:21.160 it to be an ideological split because acres from like 2:39:21.360 --> 2:39:23.760 the developmentalist right of the party. Like he was he 2:39:23.840 --> 2:39:26.760 was a banker, he's been in charge of the Bolivian 2:39:26.840 --> 2:39:28.920 Central Bank for a long time. He was like finance minister, 2:39:29.680 --> 2:39:33.280 so he's from like the center right, like developmentalist faction 2:39:33.320 --> 2:39:35.920 of the party. Evo technically speaking, has been the representative 2:39:36.040 --> 2:39:39.440 of like the the sort of like the social movement 2:39:39.440 --> 2:39:41.920 faction of the party. He has a lot of allies 2:39:42.080 --> 2:39:45.120 in a lot of coca growers union stuff like that. 2:39:45.879 --> 2:39:49.440 But it hasn't broken like that because this isn't an 2:39:49.440 --> 2:39:52.200 ideological fight. This is just these two guys, both want 2:39:52.240 --> 2:39:55.959 to be presidents and so they've they've literally torn the 2:39:56.120 --> 2:39:59.600 entire Bolivian left in two over over this fucking bullshit. 2:40:01.120 --> 2:40:03.520 Yeah, never before happened on the left. Two dudes wanting 2:40:03.560 --> 2:40:04.400 to be in charge. 2:40:04.680 --> 2:40:07.520 Yeah, and this is this has been really really messy, 2:40:07.600 --> 2:40:11.080 and it's not breaking down the way. It's not breaking 2:40:11.080 --> 2:40:14.240 cleanly politically down because there's a lot of like people 2:40:14.240 --> 2:40:16.240 from the anti extractivist left of the party who are 2:40:16.280 --> 2:40:18.439 pissed off of the way that EVO has like personally 2:40:18.440 --> 2:40:20.080 tried to seize control of what are supposed to be 2:40:20.120 --> 2:40:23.560 independent social movements. And I know people hear that and 2:40:23.600 --> 2:40:26.120 are like, wait, what's what's the problem with like social 2:40:26.120 --> 2:40:28.119 movements being integrated with the state, because like we don't. 2:40:28.440 --> 2:40:32.080 The US doesn't have social movements, like not not in 2:40:32.120 --> 2:40:34.720 the way that like that Latin America has them. Like 2:40:35.120 --> 2:40:37.840 DLM is the closest thing that we have to that. 2:40:37.920 --> 2:40:43.960 But imagine if like BLM was like an actual leftist group, 2:40:44.040 --> 2:40:46.840 like the actual like organization Black Lives Matter, Yeah, like 2:40:46.840 --> 2:40:49.879 capitalism Yeah, yeah, it was like it was like it 2:40:49.920 --> 2:40:52.040 was like a leftist group that would like lead protests 2:40:52.080 --> 2:40:54.160 and strikes and ship like we do. We don't have that. 2:40:54.120 --> 2:40:56.680 That's like not a thing here, and so mostly when 2:40:56.720 --> 2:40:58.400 when people hear about the stuff, they're like, wait, what 2:40:58.400 --> 2:40:59.920 what does that mean? Like why why are we com 2:41:00.080 --> 2:41:03.200 planning that like these that social movements are being like 2:41:03.240 --> 2:41:06.039 folded into the state or like folded into this bureaucratic apparatus. 2:41:06.120 --> 2:41:08.200 So I'm gonna run through an example of what that 2:41:08.240 --> 2:41:10.600 looks like in practice. So we're gonna we're gonna talk 2:41:10.640 --> 2:41:13.160 about the could briefly talk about the Confederation of Indigenous 2:41:13.160 --> 2:41:15.200 Peoples of Bolivia. 2:41:15.360 --> 2:41:18.720 So yeah, based, yeah, so we follow flag. 2:41:19.920 --> 2:41:21.959 I didn't have anything in there on it. It is 2:41:22.080 --> 2:41:25.400 very funny, given given what we're about to talk about. 2:41:25.440 --> 2:41:27.040 It is very funny that all of the pro am 2:41:27.040 --> 2:41:30.440 as people in in in the US had that as 2:41:30.480 --> 2:41:32.560 their flag, as like they had that flag as their 2:41:32.560 --> 2:41:34.160 profile picture when this coup was going on. 2:41:34.520 --> 2:41:38.080 It's one of the cool oft flags out there. It rips, 2:41:38.120 --> 2:41:38.680 it does rip. 2:41:39.080 --> 2:41:41.040 So so back in twenty eleven, this is like, this 2:41:41.080 --> 2:41:45.000 is like eight years before the coup, the Confederation of 2:41:45.040 --> 2:41:48.800 Indigenous People of Bolivia opposed building this road through projected 2:41:48.800 --> 2:41:51.280 indigenous territory that the government was trying to force through. 2:41:51.959 --> 2:41:55.000 So they opposed it. Their opposition didn't do anything. They 2:41:55.240 --> 2:41:58.240 you know, they joined in this enormous protest movement against 2:41:58.240 --> 2:42:03.000 this road construction, even when his supporters had the confederation's 2:42:03.080 --> 2:42:05.720 offices stormed by riot police and tried to replace his 2:42:05.840 --> 2:42:10.920 leadership with loyalists. This failed initially, and the you know, 2:42:10.959 --> 2:42:13.879 so the the Confederation of Indigenous People's Oblivia had been 2:42:14.000 --> 2:42:16.880 part of the like of the mas's like formal alliance, 2:42:17.120 --> 2:42:19.440 right and after that they were like fuck you man, 2:42:19.440 --> 2:42:19.920 we're out. 2:42:20.400 --> 2:42:20.840 Uh. 2:42:21.160 --> 2:42:24.160 They left, and then the confederation split between the groups 2:42:24.160 --> 2:42:27.440 who were pro EVO and everyone else. So another faction 2:42:27.640 --> 2:42:30.800 of the confederation split from the regular confederation and went 2:42:30.879 --> 2:42:33.840 back and joined and calling themselves the same thing, and 2:42:33.920 --> 2:42:36.680 went back and joined the MS again. So like this 2:42:36.720 --> 2:42:38.720 is a shit show, right, and a lot of it 2:42:38.760 --> 2:42:40.800 is like you know, it's it's it's comes down to 2:42:40.800 --> 2:42:43.000 these sort of like loyalty testings, like are you willing 2:42:43.000 --> 2:42:45.680 to back every single thing that EVO wants to do 2:42:45.760 --> 2:42:48.520 And if you're not, like they're going to their faction. 2:42:48.640 --> 2:42:50.560 And this is the thing that like this happens in 2:42:50.600 --> 2:42:52.800 the fucking DSA all the time, right, Like everyone in 2:42:52.840 --> 2:42:55.040 the DSA is constantly trying to purge every other faction 2:42:55.080 --> 2:42:58.360 to install their loyalists, like in charge of whatever fucking 2:42:58.400 --> 2:43:01.640 working group. Right, but you know this is happening in 2:43:01.680 --> 2:43:03.600 a place where the left actually has power, which means 2:43:03.600 --> 2:43:06.640 that instead of like you know a series of weird 2:43:06.640 --> 2:43:10.360 elections and like purging people from positions, you're storming their 2:43:10.400 --> 2:43:14.039 offices of riot police. Yeah, this is why a lot 2:43:14.080 --> 2:43:15.520 of sort of groups so you would expect to be 2:43:15.560 --> 2:43:19.720 backing evil Art and are backing Okra instead. But really, truly, 2:43:20.040 --> 2:43:23.320 this is just two guys having a Dick Waven contest. 2:43:23.840 --> 2:43:28.520 By this is what happens when you do electoralism. Yeah, 2:43:29.080 --> 2:43:30.760 but you know it's also worth mentioning the reason we're 2:43:30.800 --> 2:43:32.800 in this situation in the first place is that Evo 2:43:33.040 --> 2:43:36.760 refused to, just like in twenty nineteen, refuse to just 2:43:36.840 --> 2:43:40.200 let someone else in his party run, Like if literally 2:43:40.240 --> 2:43:43.400 anyone else had run, the MAAS would have just trivially 2:43:43.400 --> 2:43:45.240 easily won the election. There wouldn't have been a coup, 2:43:45.520 --> 2:43:47.240 it wouldn't have even been the potential to do one. 2:43:47.760 --> 2:43:50.840 But he refused because he wants to personally be in power, 2:43:51.240 --> 2:43:53.280 and this is what allows the twenty nineteen coup to happen. 2:43:53.320 --> 2:43:55.240 And the second, the second reason that we're here now 2:43:55.360 --> 2:43:56.800 is that in twenty twenty one, and I. 2:43:56.720 --> 2:43:59.000 Don't think I don't think most American left is like 2:43:59.040 --> 2:44:00.480 know about this. I think people know about the coup. 2:44:00.480 --> 2:44:03.120 I don't think people know about the stuff that happened 2:44:03.120 --> 2:44:05.000 in twenty twenty one, which is that there was this 2:44:05.320 --> 2:44:09.840 massive series of there was this massive series of like 2:44:10.240 --> 2:44:12.400 barricades that went up to bring down the coup government. 2:44:12.440 --> 2:44:14.480 So this is the thing that happens periodically in Bolivia. 2:44:14.520 --> 2:44:16.600 This is like, this is how the social movements took 2:44:16.600 --> 2:44:19.279 power in the first place, is that they you know, Bolivia, 2:44:19.920 --> 2:44:22.840 because of the way the terrain works, very very mountainous country, 2:44:23.000 --> 2:44:25.400 very narrow roads, not many roads into a place. 2:44:25.440 --> 2:44:27.800 You could just block all of the roads. 2:44:27.520 --> 2:44:28.960 That go into the capitol, and you can you can 2:44:29.000 --> 2:44:32.640 shut down the entire country's economy by just doing these roadblocks. 2:44:33.280 --> 2:44:35.240 They very nearly this is actually like again the origin 2:44:35.240 --> 2:44:38.240 of the NIS is that they very nearly like completely 2:44:38.280 --> 2:44:40.240 destroyed the belief in government with this in two thousand 2:44:40.240 --> 2:44:42.720 and six, and then Evo pulled his people off the 2:44:42.760 --> 2:44:44.840 barricades and was like, no, we're gonna do an election. 2:44:44.920 --> 2:44:46.720 He easily wins the election because he's you know, he's 2:44:46.720 --> 2:44:48.560 doing the things we've been talking about this whole episode, 2:44:48.760 --> 2:44:51.800 which is harnessing the power of the social movements in 2:44:51.879 --> 2:44:54.920 order to get elected. And it works, like he becomes president. 2:44:55.760 --> 2:44:58.840 But you know, in twenty twenty one, it happens again, 2:44:59.040 --> 2:45:03.240 and the these groups are getting very close. They've they've 2:45:03.280 --> 2:45:05.360 they've done enough damage that they forced the coup government 2:45:05.360 --> 2:45:07.920 to like actually have elections, which they didn't want to have. 2:45:08.760 --> 2:45:12.040 But they're on the verge of like actually knocking the 2:45:12.080 --> 2:45:15.440 government out of power. And Evo once again pulls all 2:45:15.480 --> 2:45:17.640 of his people off the barricades because he doesn't want 2:45:17.720 --> 2:45:20.119 the barricades to like disrupt his chance of winning the election. 2:45:22.160 --> 2:45:24.800 And so instead of like bringing down this government and 2:45:24.840 --> 2:45:29.600 like ushering in like sweeping like left ering reforms whatever 2:45:29.720 --> 2:45:31.879 on like the back of a revolutionary seizure of power, 2:45:31.920 --> 2:45:38.960 we have the Maas split between two dipshits. And yeah, 2:45:39.080 --> 2:45:41.760 these are these are very very serious about taking power. 2:45:42.120 --> 2:45:45.120 You can tell this because they've split the party over 2:45:45.200 --> 2:45:45.959 personal bullshit. 2:45:47.600 --> 2:45:51.039 Yeah every time, right, Like leaderism is the curse of 2:45:51.080 --> 2:45:55.920 the left, and it, yeah, it stops us doing things 2:45:55.920 --> 2:45:58.039 because it's always just dude chest some being each other. 2:45:58.240 --> 2:46:00.040 Yeah, and and and this is the second part about it, 2:46:00.120 --> 2:46:02.480 is that this is a product of leaving the streets. 2:46:02.480 --> 2:46:05.080 And we're gonna close on Chile. We did a very 2:46:05.120 --> 2:46:07.320 optimistic episode in the protests in Chile a couple of 2:46:07.360 --> 2:46:10.199 years ago because it looked like they were actually winning. 2:46:10.560 --> 2:46:14.360 That's not true anymore, after the whole Okay, so Chile 2:46:14.400 --> 2:46:18.400 and twenty nineteen has these massive, massive treat protests. They 2:46:18.840 --> 2:46:22.520 successfully forced the government to call a constitutional convention to 2:46:22.640 --> 2:46:26.720 like replace their Pinochet constitution. But that got everyone off 2:46:26.760 --> 2:46:29.400 the streets. And because it got anyone off the streets, 2:46:30.959 --> 2:46:34.879 both successive attempts to have a constitution have failed. It's 2:46:34.920 --> 2:46:37.160 deeply unclear what the fox had happened with the constitution. It's 2:46:37.160 --> 2:46:38.879 possible they're gonna end up with a constitution that is 2:46:38.920 --> 2:46:41.800 even more right wing than the current one because they've 2:46:41.840 --> 2:46:45.120 blown literally their moment of opportunity by pulling anyone out 2:46:45.160 --> 2:46:47.400 of the streets. And now the rights resurgence, it's a 2:46:47.400 --> 2:46:51.960 complete fiasco. Yeah, the repression of invidious people has continued 2:46:52.000 --> 2:46:56.360 unabated under the new quote unquote left wing government. So yeah, 2:46:56.640 --> 2:46:59.360 it's it's a complete fiasco. And that that is today's lesson, 2:46:59.400 --> 2:47:01.440 which is venue when when when people tell you that 2:47:01.440 --> 2:47:03.240 they are the ones who are serious about taking your 2:47:03.240 --> 2:47:05.440 wielding power and they want you to go vote for them. 2:47:06.400 --> 2:47:09.720 We have they have failed everywhere for a decade. Do 2:47:09.879 --> 2:47:12.000 not let them do this to you again. Don't leave 2:47:12.040 --> 2:47:16.320 the streets. Yeah, Instead, don't leave the streets. Don't give 2:47:16.320 --> 2:47:19.960 someone else fucking power, take it for yourself. That's that's, that's, 2:47:20.040 --> 2:47:20.800 that's all I've got. 2:47:21.600 --> 2:47:23.360 Yeah, that's a good place to end, I think. Yeah, 2:47:23.520 --> 2:47:28.480 don't uh, don't infantilize yourself by electing some Instagram brick 2:47:28.640 --> 2:47:29.680 to make decisions for you. 2:47:44.879 --> 2:47:47.280 Welcome, Sie could happened here. I'm Andrew sach to the 2:47:47.360 --> 2:47:50.720 true channel Andraism and one of the last times I 2:47:50.840 --> 2:47:54.240 was on here I was discussed in political Colds, generally 2:47:54.959 --> 2:47:57.640 drawn from the work of Dennis Tourist and Tim Willforth 2:47:57.760 --> 2:47:59.920 in their book On the Edge Political Colts, and after 2:48:01.080 --> 2:48:04.439 we learned about the roller coaster emotional ride the individual's 2:48:04.480 --> 2:48:07.840 experience during cult recruitment, where their feelings and ideas are 2:48:07.879 --> 2:48:11.360 manipulated and they are drawn into an exclusive and isolating group, 2:48:12.000 --> 2:48:15.080 we explore the common techniques used by political cults, including 2:48:15.160 --> 2:48:20.640 creating rigid belief systems, immunity to falsification, authoritarianism, arbitrary leadership, 2:48:20.720 --> 2:48:24.960 deification of leaders, intense activism, and the use of loaded language. 2:48:25.320 --> 2:48:27.960 We also heed to the contradictory positions often held by 2:48:28.000 --> 2:48:31.360 members of political cults, so as advocating for liberty while 2:48:31.360 --> 2:48:37.160 supporting totalitarianism, believe in equality alongside late leaders, accumulating privileges, 2:48:37.680 --> 2:48:41.840 promoting sexual morality while exploiting members, and demanding free speech 2:48:41.920 --> 2:48:44.640 rights while suppressing dissent within the group. And we also 2:48:44.800 --> 2:48:48.480 examined Robert Lifton's eight conditions that indicate the presence of 2:48:48.560 --> 2:48:53.560 ideological totalism within cults, which include miliu control, mystical manipulation, 2:48:53.920 --> 2:48:57.560 the demand for purity, the cult of confession, the sacred science, loading, 2:48:57.560 --> 2:48:59.920 the language, doctrine of a person, and it is by 2:49:00.080 --> 2:49:03.920 civil existence. If you want the details on all of that, 2:49:04.120 --> 2:49:06.960 you can check out the first episode in Political Cult series, 2:49:07.600 --> 2:49:10.520 or you could pick up the book on political cults yourself. 2:49:10.560 --> 2:49:12.760 As I said on the Edge Political Cults Left and 2:49:12.840 --> 2:49:17.039 Right by Dennis Turish and Tim Wolforth, I also had 2:49:17.080 --> 2:49:19.720 an episode where I spoke about the Trotskyist turned right 2:49:19.800 --> 2:49:22.920 wing cult of Lyndon Laroche, which was primarily based in 2:49:23.040 --> 2:49:27.360 USA but today joined by Garrison. I want to take 2:49:27.400 --> 2:49:29.840 a look at the deadly cult that arose from the 2:49:30.000 --> 2:49:34.600 Japanese student movement, the United Red Army. 2:49:35.360 --> 2:49:36.279 Very exciting stuff. 2:49:36.560 --> 2:49:38.800 If my research for this episode, I looked at dead 2:49:38.879 --> 2:49:43.320 Bodies and Living Guns by Yoshikuni Karashi, the Japanese Women's 2:49:43.320 --> 2:49:46.400 Liberation Movement, the United Red Army by set Sushiya Matsu, 2:49:46.879 --> 2:49:50.400 and Hijackers, Bombers and bank Robbers by Patricia G. Steinhoff. 2:49:51.040 --> 2:49:54.080 So let's get into it, and to do so, we're 2:49:54.120 --> 2:49:57.400 going to need some historical context, not necessarily as in 2:49:57.520 --> 2:50:00.600 depth as digging into the evolution of postwater pas, which 2:50:00.680 --> 2:50:02.640 is such a deep and complex period in history that 2:50:02.720 --> 2:50:05.920 it really deserves and has given special attention by historians 2:50:06.280 --> 2:50:09.360 that I have not the knowledge to buster. We do, however, 2:50:09.600 --> 2:50:11.720 need to take a look more specifically at what the 2:50:11.800 --> 2:50:16.120 conditions were like in the country in the late sixties 2:50:16.160 --> 2:50:20.720 and early seventies. After the war, Japan was transitioned into 2:50:20.959 --> 2:50:24.680 something of a liberal democracy with all of that entails. 2:50:25.440 --> 2:50:27.960 The US rolled in and occupied Japan and forced all 2:50:28.000 --> 2:50:30.440 these changes and reforms and so by the late sixties 2:50:30.480 --> 2:50:33.480 and seventies, you have post war children who were now 2:50:33.600 --> 2:50:36.600 adults and had gone through and witnessed these systems full 2:50:36.680 --> 2:50:40.440 his hand. They saw the limits of democracy and capitalism. 2:50:41.160 --> 2:50:43.880 Japanese society was firmly under the thumb of the US 2:50:43.959 --> 2:50:47.760 as well, which created its own grievances amongst population. The 2:50:47.840 --> 2:50:51.320 Japanese government had become a key supporter of US imperialism 2:50:51.440 --> 2:50:54.080 in the Cold War era. Both the Korean War and 2:50:54.200 --> 2:50:57.400 the Vietnam War were facilitated through the US's military bases 2:50:57.480 --> 2:51:00.640 in Japan, and the Japanese left did not like that 2:51:01.000 --> 2:51:05.000 at all. Naturally, in response, the state would crush them, 2:51:05.040 --> 2:51:08.520 as states are apt to do. When the Japanese were 2:51:09.200 --> 2:51:13.680 taken to the streets and solidarity, the state increased their surveillance, repression, 2:51:13.760 --> 2:51:17.120 and incarceration. Some on the Japanese left would come to 2:51:17.160 --> 2:51:19.720 see Japan as a police state with US back in, 2:51:20.360 --> 2:51:23.040 but that wasn't the left's only issue with Japanese society. 2:51:23.800 --> 2:51:27.480 Japan's economic success post war thanks to the US, had 2:51:27.520 --> 2:51:31.280 brought the establishment of a mass consumer society that gave 2:51:31.320 --> 2:51:35.080 the population, even in rural areas and among poor factory workers, 2:51:35.760 --> 2:51:39.720 greater access to information and consumer goods, and that ended 2:51:39.800 --> 2:51:42.279 up posing an issue for the left in Japan because 2:51:42.400 --> 2:51:45.440 many of the organizations were struggling to adjust to the 2:51:45.520 --> 2:51:50.560 shift in times. To quote Yoshikui Igarashi directly, the new 2:51:50.640 --> 2:51:53.879 left critique of post war society had long been too 2:51:54.080 --> 2:51:57.480 rigid to address the rapidly changing social conditions of Japan. 2:51:58.320 --> 2:52:01.480 Each person was complicit with the plaical and economic mechanisms 2:52:01.800 --> 2:52:05.160 that produced social injustice insofar as he or she took 2:52:05.200 --> 2:52:09.680 advantage of them. It was simply impossible to undo the 2:52:09.720 --> 2:52:12.800 effects of the system when many in society cherished their 2:52:12.840 --> 2:52:16.640 newly found agency as consumers. So the left in Japan 2:52:16.800 --> 2:52:19.960 was fixated on this very romanticized image of the ruggeted 2:52:20.000 --> 2:52:23.320 workers and not really engaging with what the workers themselves 2:52:23.440 --> 2:52:28.040 thought about and wanted to see transformed in their circumstances, Like, yeah, 2:52:28.160 --> 2:52:32.800 it's understandable that workers, despite being exploited, would also cling 2:52:32.920 --> 2:52:35.560 to some of the comforts they've gained even under those 2:52:35.600 --> 2:52:40.440 poor circumstances, And these left organizations weren't adequately engaging with that. 2:52:40.959 --> 2:52:43.800 They were engagement the fact that yeah, this poor factory 2:52:43.840 --> 2:52:47.680 workers poor and suffering, but they also appreciate the fact 2:52:47.720 --> 2:52:52.680 that they have access to all these new technologies and 2:52:53.320 --> 2:52:55.680 all this new entertainment media and all that stuff. They 2:52:55.720 --> 2:52:58.879 were still stuck in this very late nineteenth to early 2:52:58.920 --> 2:53:02.600 twentieth century of understanding. Yeah, so they were kind of 2:53:03.120 --> 2:53:06.920 ideologically stuck and disconnected. They had this one vision of 2:53:07.720 --> 2:53:10.440 the struggle and it wasn't really being updated with the 2:53:10.560 --> 2:53:13.720 changing times. So it's no surprise really what we're resulved 2:53:13.760 --> 2:53:17.120 from this late sixties status co. First, I think we 2:53:17.160 --> 2:53:20.520 should stop I understanding the various associations of Seki Gun, 2:53:20.879 --> 2:53:24.959 which is the Red Army. There were three major related 2:53:25.040 --> 2:53:27.560 groups under the label of Psekagoon that shared a very 2:53:27.600 --> 2:53:33.480 particular vision, to quote Britisher Gi stein Off. One, we 2:53:33.600 --> 2:53:37.280 have the original group led by Shiamita Kaya, which began 2:53:37.520 --> 2:53:40.960 as the Pseki gunha of a major student organization in 2:53:41.040 --> 2:53:45.039 nineteen sixty eight and dropped the K designation, becoming Psecic 2:53:45.120 --> 2:53:51.280 Gun sometime after it became independent in mid nineteen sixty nine. Nice. Two, 2:53:51.840 --> 2:53:54.640 you had a remnant of the original Psychicgoon, which in 2:53:54.760 --> 2:53:58.080 nineteen seventy one joined with another group to become Rengo 2:53:58.160 --> 2:54:01.600 Psaki Gun United Red Army and remember that because of 2:54:01.680 --> 2:54:04.720 the focus of today, and they became under the leadership 2:54:04.800 --> 2:54:09.320 of the Seka Gun head Mori Sunyo. And then three lastly, 2:54:09.600 --> 2:54:12.360 he had a group that developed in Lebanon beginning in 2:54:12.440 --> 2:54:16.360 nineteen seventy one under the leadership of Okidaira Takeshi and 2:54:16.400 --> 2:54:23.360 Psaki Gun member Chigaenaubu Fusako and formally broke with Rango Psycakun. 2:54:25.000 --> 2:54:27.560 And this group formally broke with Rango Zseka Gun the 2:54:27.640 --> 2:54:30.560 United Red Army in nineteen seventy two, they were called 2:54:30.680 --> 2:54:33.959 the Japanese Red Army. So you have the Red Army 2:54:34.000 --> 2:54:38.240 faction Psychic Gun her which dropped the high designation and 2:54:38.280 --> 2:54:41.280 became Psychic Gun, and you had a remnant from the 2:54:41.320 --> 2:54:44.160 original Psychic Gun which joined with another group to become 2:54:44.280 --> 2:54:46.879 Rango Psychagun the United Red Army. And then you had 2:54:46.920 --> 2:54:50.600 a group that broke away from the United Red Army 2:54:50.720 --> 2:54:54.840 and became the Japanese Red Army. Very classic Marxist Leninist 2:54:55.440 --> 2:54:59.959 party splating practices. So in the early days Psaki Guna 2:55:00.600 --> 2:55:04.000 the parent Revolutionary all of the later two groups beckoned 2:55:04.120 --> 2:55:07.879 Japan's brightest students, the children of many elites. And when 2:55:07.879 --> 2:55:10.000 I say elites, I mean these youths would have been 2:55:10.600 --> 2:55:16.040 regular degular academics, doctors, bureaucrats, and corporate careerists if not 2:55:16.160 --> 2:55:20.160 for them joining this organization, having passed their entrance exams, 2:55:20.320 --> 2:55:23.120 immersed in the anti mainstream culture of the universities at 2:55:23.120 --> 2:55:26.880 the time, they seize that freedom to create organizations against 2:55:27.000 --> 2:55:30.800 mainstream Japanese society. The Red Army Sekukuna had split from 2:55:30.840 --> 2:55:34.360 its parent group, a national student organization called the Communist League, 2:55:34.640 --> 2:55:39.600 informally bunned over a quote unresolvable policy dispute, and the 2:55:39.640 --> 2:55:42.240 bund itself had come out of the first major factionals 2:55:42.240 --> 2:55:45.320 split in nineteen fifty eight in the postwar Japanese national 2:55:45.400 --> 2:55:49.240 student organization known as Sengakuin, which was formed by folks 2:55:49.240 --> 2:55:54.000 who had been expelled from or left the Japanese Communist Party. So, 2:55:54.400 --> 2:55:55.680 just to bring out the speed, there you have the 2:55:55.760 --> 2:55:59.000 Japanese Communist Party, and then some people who were expelled 2:55:59.040 --> 2:56:02.680 from that party created their own organization known as Anger Couldn't, 2:56:03.240 --> 2:56:06.440 and then that zenger Kurdin organization split. 2:56:07.480 --> 2:56:10.039 Do you know what else could benefit from a split? 2:56:10.200 --> 2:56:13.720 Right now? It's this episode with this ad break. 2:56:23.600 --> 2:56:24.320 And we're back. 2:56:24.520 --> 2:56:26.120 One of the splits that came out to that was 2:56:26.160 --> 2:56:27.959 the Communist League, which we came known as the Bund, 2:56:28.560 --> 2:56:32.560 and the Bund had a split within it that boothed 2:56:32.800 --> 2:56:36.280 the Red Army, and the Red Army had its own splits. 2:56:37.040 --> 2:56:37.800 Yes, as. 2:56:39.959 --> 2:56:42.000 As all these groups love to do. 2:56:43.360 --> 2:56:46.400 Yes, let's of split it. And according to sign Off, 2:56:46.600 --> 2:56:51.640 Bund actually had a really remarkable history of internal factional splits. 2:56:51.680 --> 2:56:55.680 In fact, even for its own cohort is quite exceptional. 2:56:55.760 --> 2:56:59.720 That generated over fifty separate groups, in addition to Psychic, 2:57:01.320 --> 2:57:03.840 which had become Psychic Goon dropping the ha as I said, 2:57:04.160 --> 2:57:06.879 after it became independent from BOND in nineteen sixty nine. 2:57:07.160 --> 2:57:11.840 Again nice. And then after the split, Pecigo immediately copied 2:57:12.000 --> 2:57:15.680 the already outdated communist party setup that BUND had initially 2:57:15.760 --> 2:57:19.240 inherited from its own parent organization. I mean everything from 2:57:19.280 --> 2:57:22.840 the Central Committee to the Politbrew, to the Secretariat to 2:57:22.920 --> 2:57:26.920 the former representation from regional and local units, though a 2:57:26.959 --> 2:57:29.680 lot of these structures mainly existed on paper according to 2:57:29.920 --> 2:57:37.680 former members. So what was psechigoing doing well? The members 2:57:37.879 --> 2:57:42.440 were already experienced in orchestrating mass activities typical of the 2:57:42.520 --> 2:57:47.320 era's student movement. They excel in producing and disseminating political publications, 2:57:47.840 --> 2:57:52.359 organizing meetings, and coordinating street demonstrations, but eventually they realized 2:57:52.400 --> 2:57:56.680 this stuff just isn't working. They need something bolder. The 2:57:56.720 --> 2:58:01.760 group aimed for innovative action rather than organizational innovation, adopted 2:58:01.879 --> 2:58:05.680 the Red Army moncle and aligned themselves as soldiers within 2:58:05.680 --> 2:58:11.080 a loosely structured central committee. And despite being a legal 2:58:11.400 --> 2:58:15.360 entity in post war Japan, Sekigoon quickly found itself at 2:58:15.520 --> 2:58:19.160 art of the state due to its provocative intentions and actions. 2:58:19.800 --> 2:58:23.360 The group openly declared its intention to ecagie in legal 2:58:23.440 --> 2:58:28.800 activities no can upset whatsoever, triggering intense police surveillance and 2:58:28.879 --> 2:58:33.200 a confrontational relationship from the outset. Their journey transitions swiftly 2:58:33.240 --> 2:58:38.119 from public legal events to clandestine and unlawful activities such 2:58:38.160 --> 2:58:42.480 as weapon making, hijackings, bombings, weapon theft, and bank robberies, 2:58:43.040 --> 2:58:48.120 and with that unfamiliar territory came many mistakes and much realing. 2:58:48.240 --> 2:58:52.760 In so they went from having meetings and making the 2:58:52.840 --> 2:58:57.720 zines to doing other stuff. Is what I is, what 2:58:57.840 --> 2:59:03.279 I take it for translated to a modern politically active audience. 2:59:03.920 --> 2:59:08.520 They went from doing like peaceful protests, you know, peaceful marches, 2:59:08.720 --> 2:59:14.680 sit ins, that sort of thing, to like vankrobberies, embomments. Yeah, 2:59:15.360 --> 2:59:18.520 and on top of that, they really had the they 2:59:18.600 --> 2:59:22.600 had the inflated sense of self to grandiously label their 2:59:22.720 --> 2:59:27.640 attempted uprisings as the Tokyo War, the Osaker War. Sure, sure, 2:59:27.800 --> 2:59:34.040 Kyoto War. I mean the actions in a sense it 2:59:34.200 --> 2:59:37.000 is some urban guerrilla warfare that they might have been 2:59:37.040 --> 2:59:39.480 engaging in with some of these actions very glad to sign, 2:59:39.640 --> 2:59:44.000 very direct and violence and stuff, and there was a 2:59:44.040 --> 2:59:45.359 state response. 2:59:46.200 --> 2:59:49.280 A lot of a lot of like more of these 2:59:49.400 --> 2:59:53.080 like extremely violent militant insurrectory type can kind of get 2:59:53.640 --> 2:59:56.440 that inflated sense of what they're doing. And even though 2:59:56.520 --> 2:59:59.760 I don't think ted Kay is an insurructionist, but still 2:59:59.800 --> 3:00:04.400 it's it kind of it's like, did he think that 3:00:04.520 --> 3:00:07.080 blowing someone's fingers off every five years was going to 3:00:07.160 --> 3:00:12.280 trigger the collapse of industrial civilization? And you're like, maybe, 3:00:12.360 --> 3:00:17.520 maybe not, but that doesn't seem like a really great plan. Yeah, 3:00:17.720 --> 3:00:20.520 if you're just taking someone's fingers off, yet you think 3:00:20.600 --> 3:00:22.760 you're like the only one who's standing in the way 3:00:22.840 --> 3:00:27.959 between industrial society and the future of a desolate earth. 3:00:28.520 --> 3:00:31.520 But I don't know it. It is a complicated things 3:00:31.560 --> 3:00:35.960 some dives. Yeah, yeah, it's always hard to gauge the 3:00:36.000 --> 3:00:37.920 successfulness of your own actions. 3:00:38.920 --> 3:00:41.400 Indeed, indeed, but I mean in this case, I think 3:00:41.440 --> 3:00:45.440 we can't gauge the success because well, first of all, 3:00:45.520 --> 3:00:48.240 the actions of all eventually led to police raids, harassed 3:00:48.280 --> 3:00:52.640 in indictments. Sure, and also we could measure success based 3:00:52.680 --> 3:00:55.760 on the achievement of particular goals, and all of their 3:00:56.120 --> 3:00:59.800 attempted uprisings were made with the aim of global revolution 3:01:00.080 --> 3:01:03.840 based on Trotsky's ideas. Okay, yeah, So they were trying 3:01:03.879 --> 3:01:05.680 to build an army that would not only lead in 3:01:05.800 --> 3:01:09.920 revolution in Japan but also eid in revolutionary activities worldwide. 3:01:10.400 --> 3:01:12.680 So some of their members even sought support and training 3:01:12.760 --> 3:01:14.840 from groups like the Popular Front for the Liberation of 3:01:14.879 --> 3:01:20.560 Palestine huh Yeah. And eventually they tried to organize guerrilla 3:01:20.640 --> 3:01:25.360 training with intent to attack the Prime Minister's residents, but 3:01:25.480 --> 3:01:28.160 a police raid foiled their plans and arrested fifty three 3:01:28.240 --> 3:01:30.360 of their members, which led to the core of the 3:01:30.480 --> 3:01:35.400 organization psychagun to go underground. And then while they were underground, 3:01:35.520 --> 3:01:41.120 their style of organization had to evolve. Initially they resembled 3:01:41.160 --> 3:01:44.400 the sort of cumbersome bureaucracy of a communist party, but 3:01:44.520 --> 3:01:49.280 eventually they reinvented themselves to become similar rather to the 3:01:49.600 --> 3:01:55.280 Japanese managerial styles of the time period. In short, because 3:01:55.280 --> 3:01:56.920 I'm really trying to get to the juicy bits of 3:01:57.080 --> 3:02:01.280 what was happening, the communication who so they faced Due 3:02:01.320 --> 3:02:05.920 to that underground police surveillance led to a sophisticated telephone 3:02:05.959 --> 3:02:10.240 network managed by Lea's wives and girlfriends. Organizational decision making 3:02:10.320 --> 3:02:14.400 went from ecalitian debates to hierarchical orders, and after any 3:02:14.440 --> 3:02:18.920 activities they engage in evaluations so like quarterly reports and 3:02:19.000 --> 3:02:22.040 like a corporate office, to refine their approach for next time. 3:02:23.160 --> 3:02:25.800 So given all that history and context, what happens next 3:02:25.879 --> 3:02:29.600 relation be all too surprising. In December nineteen seventy one, 3:02:29.720 --> 3:02:32.840 the few remaining not arrested or dead members of Psakagun's 3:02:32.879 --> 3:02:36.000 underground Army joined forces with another group in a similar 3:02:36.040 --> 3:02:40.880 situation called Kakome Saha or Revolutionary Left, to form the 3:02:41.040 --> 3:02:45.440 United Red Army aka Rengo Sekigun, which established themselves in 3:02:45.520 --> 3:02:48.080 a remote cabin in the Japanese Alps in the dead 3:02:48.200 --> 3:02:52.119 of winter in Guma Prefecture and tried to work out 3:02:52.160 --> 3:02:56.160 the ideological and organizational differences that came from uniting the 3:02:56.200 --> 3:02:59.840 two organizations. The new group was led by the Red 3:03:00.000 --> 3:03:03.840 Mani faction leader Sunyo Muri and second in commanded by 3:03:03.920 --> 3:03:10.080 Heroku Nagata, the leader of the Revolutionary Left. And quick, 3:03:10.560 --> 3:03:14.400 quick digression, it's actually a big deal. Nagata was a woman, 3:03:15.520 --> 3:03:18.160 and that was sort of a win in a sense. 3:03:18.200 --> 3:03:22.160 I mean a win, not in a broader sense, probably 3:03:22.240 --> 3:03:26.080 not a win considering what happens next, but a win 3:03:26.160 --> 3:03:28.160 in the sense that at the time there was a 3:03:28.200 --> 3:03:31.560 big issue with the Japanese New Left and its patriarchal nature, 3:03:32.120 --> 3:03:34.600 where women typically only had any kind of say or 3:03:34.680 --> 3:03:42.160 authority in relation to their male partners. So it was 3:03:42.280 --> 3:03:47.280 kind of nice to see Nagata get elevated to a 3:03:47.400 --> 3:03:51.760 position where she didn't have to be connected to a 3:03:51.920 --> 3:03:55.560 male figure in the movement in order to have any 3:03:55.640 --> 3:03:57.680 kind of say or any kind of political sway, of course, 3:03:57.720 --> 3:03:59.760 what she did with that say, what she did with 3:03:59.800 --> 3:04:04.080 that close way, was not all too hot, but yeah, 3:04:04.400 --> 3:04:09.879 I digress. Under the direction of Mari and Gelbasnagata, about 3:04:09.920 --> 3:04:14.280 twenty five United Red Army members underwent revolutionary training to 3:04:14.360 --> 3:04:18.240 prepare for armed struggle against the state. At this point, though, 3:04:18.400 --> 3:04:21.560 you have to wonder what exactly they were hoping to achieve. 3:04:22.440 --> 3:04:26.440 They weren't even connected any legism workers struggles in the country. 3:04:26.840 --> 3:04:30.760 They weren't organizing their communities. They has created these revolutionary 3:04:30.800 --> 3:04:33.160 cells where they would hold film to their rigid political 3:04:33.240 --> 3:04:38.400 aims and refuse to engage in reality. To quote Yoshikuni 3:04:38.480 --> 3:04:41.879 Igarashi directly, from the earliest days of the New Left, 3:04:42.360 --> 3:04:46.800 confrontations with the police were endowed with performative value. By 3:04:46.879 --> 3:04:49.160 taking the beatens of police batons on their heads and 3:04:49.280 --> 3:04:53.160 being sprayed with tea gas, Raleigh participants presented themselves both 3:04:53.200 --> 3:04:56.199 as victims of the state repressive power and as agents 3:04:56.200 --> 3:04:59.879 of resistance against it. However, by the early nineteen seventy 3:05:00.480 --> 3:05:03.160 it became obvious that their performances were not enough to 3:05:03.240 --> 3:05:06.680 break through the statuscope. It was also apparent that popular 3:05:06.720 --> 3:05:09.320 support for the movements had aoracious limit and was starting 3:05:09.360 --> 3:05:12.560 to wane. As new Left organizations began to see the 3:05:12.560 --> 3:05:15.800 futility of trying to build widespread support. The acts of 3:05:15.879 --> 3:05:19.560 violence lost their performative aspect. Rather than presenting themselves as 3:05:19.600 --> 3:05:22.320 both victims and agents of resistance as they had done before, 3:05:22.879 --> 3:05:25.960 many organizations, including the Red Army and the Revolutionary Left, 3:05:26.360 --> 3:05:30.040 began to escalate their violence. The activists engaged in this 3:05:30.320 --> 3:05:35.040 increasingly brutal struggle became a sort of self appointed revolutionary elite, 3:05:35.560 --> 3:05:38.320 a group that demanded of its members a stepped up 3:05:38.480 --> 3:05:42.160 bodily commitment in the form of an ever intensifying regimen 3:05:42.480 --> 3:05:46.240 of physical training and corporeal deprivation, and a willingness to 3:05:46.360 --> 3:05:50.320 die for the cause. The United Red Armies revolutionary struggles 3:05:50.360 --> 3:05:53.879 at the mountain Bases demonstrated the process through which violence 3:05:54.000 --> 3:05:57.520 came to dominate the lives of its members. At another 3:05:57.600 --> 3:05:59.840 point in the general article, he says that while the 3:06:00.040 --> 3:06:04.240 partomatic shift caused by Japan's high growth economy demanded a 3:06:04.320 --> 3:06:07.840 new theory and practice of political engagement, United Red Army 3:06:07.879 --> 3:06:11.080 members merely wish to undo the effects of economic development, 3:06:11.600 --> 3:06:14.600 literally seeking to establish a critical purchase outside of the 3:06:14.680 --> 3:06:19.199 existence system. Aspiring to transform themselves into a revolutionary elite, 3:06:19.600 --> 3:06:23.280 they physically distanced themselves in mountain bases while vole rising 3:06:23.400 --> 3:06:27.080 violence as a means to achieve alternative political conditions. Their 3:06:27.160 --> 3:06:29.920 two stage strategy of exiting and then striking back of 3:06:29.959 --> 3:06:35.720 the system, however, proved completely inadequate. At one point, early on, 3:06:35.959 --> 3:06:39.600 two members in this mountain cabin in the Japanese Alps 3:06:39.920 --> 3:06:42.280 decided that they wanted to piece out of the United 3:06:42.320 --> 3:06:44.720 Red Army probably go back to live in a normal life. 3:06:45.280 --> 3:06:49.840 So in retaliation, Nagata organized their assassination with the help 3:06:49.920 --> 3:06:54.039 of United Red Army members. Yeah, like, how dare you leave? 3:06:55.879 --> 3:06:56.119 Yeah? 3:06:56.280 --> 3:07:01.400 I mean, this whole Red Art saga is a really 3:07:01.440 --> 3:07:05.600 great example of how an extremely militant leftist force really 3:07:06.200 --> 3:07:10.240 really does mirror so many, so many cult dynamics. And 3:07:10.440 --> 3:07:13.120 like I I the stakes are high. 3:07:13.240 --> 3:07:13.680 I get it. 3:07:13.840 --> 3:07:17.080 Like you have a lot of like intense shared experiences 3:07:17.120 --> 3:07:20.720 with people, it can produce a whole bunch of emotional, 3:07:20.800 --> 3:07:23.240 volatile reactions. I'm sure what they all went through. I 3:07:23.320 --> 3:07:27.600 can I can barely even begin to understand with with 3:07:27.760 --> 3:07:31.040 my like with my background and more like a like 3:07:31.680 --> 3:07:39.760 anarchist instructionary action. But yeah, you know, it's the whole 3:07:39.840 --> 3:07:42.680 Hitman squad for whenever members like age out in their 3:07:43.680 --> 3:07:46.400 late twenties. This is certainly an interesting move. 3:07:48.400 --> 3:07:52.400 Indeed, and if I wasn't bad enough, it gets worse. 3:07:53.640 --> 3:07:58.760 So clearly, the fact that people want to leave means 3:07:58.840 --> 3:08:02.080 that the character of their members are not good enough. 3:08:02.840 --> 3:08:05.480 So the United Red Army wanted to improve the character 3:08:05.560 --> 3:08:09.760 of its members, so under Maury and Nagata's directives, they 3:08:09.840 --> 3:08:14.000 underwent a purge through a process of collective and individual 3:08:14.120 --> 3:08:19.080 self criticism. It's always self criticism of these people, so 3:08:19.200 --> 3:08:22.480 before long, self criticism became this sort of high stakes 3:08:22.560 --> 3:08:26.680 test of each member's revolutionary commitment, call into question everything 3:08:26.760 --> 3:08:30.880 from their engagement and romantic relationships to their appreciation of 3:08:30.959 --> 3:08:35.720 material possessions. Any such attachments were seen as evidence that 3:08:35.840 --> 3:08:40.160 these members were not committed enough to the cause. In fact, 3:08:40.480 --> 3:08:43.320 they were the worst thing you could possibly be, a 3:08:43.480 --> 3:08:48.320 counter revolutionary and then things got worse. So just to clarify, 3:08:48.400 --> 3:08:51.240 and this is according to Patricia G. Steinoff, who studied 3:08:51.240 --> 3:08:54.360 the organizational structure of these groups. When the United Red 3:08:54.440 --> 3:08:59.400 Army came together, they engaged in standard consensus decision making procedures, 3:08:59.480 --> 3:09:02.120 which is how they came into agreement that the members 3:09:02.200 --> 3:09:05.120 needed to be tough, fund into revolutionaries capable of fighting 3:09:05.160 --> 3:09:09.440 the police. But despite engagement and consensus from time to time. 3:09:10.000 --> 3:09:14.400 The organization was very strictly vertical. The central committee had 3:09:14.400 --> 3:09:17.080 a separate room from everyone else in the cabin and 3:09:17.160 --> 3:09:19.800 the internet conditions made it easier to stand out if 3:09:19.840 --> 3:09:23.600 you weren't cooperating with directives. To quote one section of 3:09:23.640 --> 3:09:26.959 the article, When the top leaders introduced violence in order 3:09:26.959 --> 3:09:29.600 to speed up the transformation of the weakest members, no 3:09:29.680 --> 3:09:32.480 one was able to confront leadership to stop it. Those 3:09:32.520 --> 3:09:36.400 who disagreed tended to use traditional Japanese methods of indirection, 3:09:36.959 --> 3:09:40.480 expressed in opposition by silence and withdrawal. And given the 3:09:40.560 --> 3:09:43.240 purpose of the group's activity and the expectation of full 3:09:43.320 --> 3:09:46.640 participation that is built into the ground rules of consensus 3:09:46.680 --> 3:09:52.320 decision making, silence and withdrawal were interpreted as unrevolutionary weakness 3:09:52.879 --> 3:09:55.880 and participating in violence against others were soon defined as 3:09:55.959 --> 3:09:59.879 evidence of one's own sincere commitment to become a better revolutionary. 3:10:00.640 --> 3:10:04.080 Those who failed to participate energetically in the violence against 3:10:04.120 --> 3:10:07.199 others became the next victims of the purge. 3:10:08.560 --> 3:10:14.560 Yeah that all makes perfect sense to me. Actually, yeah, I. 3:10:14.640 --> 3:10:17.800 When they deemed somebody to be a counter revolutionary, the 3:10:17.920 --> 3:10:21.920 others would be ordered to punish them through beatens, torture, 3:10:22.560 --> 3:10:26.160 and exposure to the elements without food or shelter. As 3:10:26.200 --> 3:10:30.520 you can imagine, people died. So when the first victims died, 3:10:30.959 --> 3:10:34.320 the leaders said that they had died of defeatism because 3:10:34.360 --> 3:10:39.720 they couldn't overcome their own weakness. Six weeks later, in 3:10:39.920 --> 3:10:43.840 February nineteen seventy two, twelve of the twenty five members 3:10:43.879 --> 3:10:47.880 were dead. One sign off points out that ironically, in 3:10:48.000 --> 3:10:51.039 between bouts of the purge, the United Red Army members 3:10:51.080 --> 3:10:53.720 were able to break into work groups and carry out 3:10:53.800 --> 3:10:57.000 tasks like building a new cabin, planning the next attack, 3:10:57.440 --> 3:11:00.720 and burying the bodies of the dead. Comrades watching that 3:11:00.840 --> 3:11:04.280 you like jump in between these pooge sessions and like 3:11:04.400 --> 3:11:05.800 building a cabin with your buds. 3:11:07.400 --> 3:11:11.480 Honestly, I don't doubt it. Like I this this all 3:11:11.560 --> 3:11:13.360 does make a sort of weird sense to me. Like 3:11:13.400 --> 3:11:16.560 I've seen I've seen radical groups kind of fall apart 3:11:17.040 --> 3:11:20.160 in not ways that lead to like mass purging, as 3:11:20.280 --> 3:11:23.400 in like murder, but I've seen groups fall apart in 3:11:23.480 --> 3:11:25.760 similar ways to this. You'll you'll have like a smaller 3:11:25.879 --> 3:11:28.680 insular click who tries to remain really active and like 3:11:28.879 --> 3:11:31.920 keep going and doing stuff while also spending all their 3:11:31.959 --> 3:11:37.680 extra time towards continually purifying their member base. Because once 3:11:37.720 --> 3:11:41.880 you once you start that like purification and process like, 3:11:42.040 --> 3:11:45.240 you can't stop. You have to keep the spotlight on 3:11:45.320 --> 3:11:47.200 someone else, so then it's not on you, Like you 3:11:47.280 --> 3:11:51.000 have to be proactive in constantly purifying the member group, 3:11:52.240 --> 3:11:54.520 or else someone's gonna set their target on you like 3:11:54.600 --> 3:11:58.000 it has. I can, I can totally see how this 3:11:58.200 --> 3:12:01.160 would have this would have gone down, and I think 3:12:01.240 --> 3:12:04.480 smaller versions of this still remain to be a massive 3:12:04.560 --> 3:12:09.320 problem among radical organization structures, even structures that claim to 3:12:09.360 --> 3:12:13.160 be horizontal, they still have like an insular a clique 3:12:13.400 --> 3:12:16.000 of like the people who are like the cool group, 3:12:16.640 --> 3:12:18.760 who's going to replicate a lot of these same things, 3:12:19.240 --> 3:12:22.840 And how even though it's not technically vertical in practice, 3:12:22.879 --> 3:12:25.240 they still are able to do a lot of these 3:12:25.440 --> 3:12:32.280 same like top down and overwriting decision making processes. 3:12:33.360 --> 3:12:37.320 Yeah, it's it's And this is really what sort of 3:12:37.400 --> 3:12:41.760 motivated me to start to talk about political cults a 3:12:41.800 --> 3:12:44.360 bit more. I mean, not on reading the book, looking 3:12:44.400 --> 3:12:46.480 at this case and reading the book, because I really 3:12:48.760 --> 3:12:52.520 I want people to recognize that it's not like this 3:12:53.440 --> 3:12:56.560 strange out to this wild thing that could nevolative place 3:12:56.640 --> 3:13:01.960 in your postal life. Like it's very easy for any 3:13:02.000 --> 3:13:08.160 political organization to become a cult, and there's no ideology 3:13:08.240 --> 3:13:12.200 that's immune to that. And so through these case studies 3:13:12.240 --> 3:13:15.240 and through the breakdown to the various components and elements 3:13:15.320 --> 3:13:19.680 of cult cults and cult behavior, cult tactics, all people 3:13:19.720 --> 3:13:23.080 to be able to recognize the signs. Because what I 3:13:23.160 --> 3:13:25.080 really hate the most, and this is why I focused 3:13:25.120 --> 3:13:27.840 mostly on left wing cults not as much right wing cults, 3:13:29.000 --> 3:13:31.520 is to see people who have so much potential to 3:13:31.680 --> 3:13:36.880 contribute meaningfully to like revolutionary change, and then they just 3:13:36.959 --> 3:13:43.240 get all their energies redirected into self criticism sessions and 3:13:43.440 --> 3:13:47.200 purification rituals and revolutionary lop in. 3:13:48.200 --> 3:13:49.840 Let's take an ad break here and we'll be right 3:13:49.920 --> 3:13:54.200 back to continue talking about the body count of the 3:13:54.280 --> 3:13:54.800 Red Army. 3:14:06.040 --> 3:14:06.800 Okay, we are. 3:14:06.800 --> 3:14:12.119 Back, So twelve bodies dead and buried. 3:14:12.920 --> 3:14:17.280 But on the upside, they have a new cabin so true, 3:14:17.879 --> 3:14:21.360 come on, you know, it's it's a small price to pay. 3:14:24.640 --> 3:14:28.480 So eventually the leaders Maury and the Gata left, which 3:14:28.560 --> 3:14:31.360 gave each of the United Red Army members a chance 3:14:31.440 --> 3:14:34.560 to escape before they too succumbed to the fate of death. 3:14:34.600 --> 3:14:36.680 So I find really interesting is that all of them 3:14:36.800 --> 3:14:40.800 wanted to leave, but they didn't find it in themselves 3:14:40.879 --> 3:14:43.199 to leave until after the leadership left. 3:14:43.840 --> 3:14:45.400 They were all too scared of each other. 3:14:47.000 --> 3:14:51.040 Yeah, and so they want They took that opportunity to 3:14:51.240 --> 3:14:54.279 escape before they two died, and of course the police 3:14:54.320 --> 3:14:57.440 were hot on all of their tails. Mary and the 3:14:57.520 --> 3:15:01.880 Guta got arrested, and eventually there were only five members 3:15:01.959 --> 3:15:06.760 left and they were armed to the teeth. They ended 3:15:06.800 --> 3:15:09.959 up hiding in a mountain lodge and managed to capture 3:15:10.120 --> 3:15:12.480 a hostage, which was the wife of the owner of 3:15:12.560 --> 3:15:17.640 the mountain lodge, and Setsu Shigematsu described very succinctly what 3:15:17.840 --> 3:15:22.840 came next. Quote. Between nineteenth and twenty eighth of February, 3:15:23.600 --> 3:15:26.480 these five remaining members of the United Red Army held 3:15:26.600 --> 3:15:30.440 off over fifteen hundred riot police at the lodge, which 3:15:30.520 --> 3:15:34.760 was called Asama Sansu, and this armed standoff and hostage 3:15:34.800 --> 3:15:40.640 taken incident became an unprecedented television spectacle. Television news coverage 3:15:40.640 --> 3:15:43.760 of the incident began in nineteenth February, with hundreds of 3:15:43.840 --> 3:15:46.520 media staff on site to work the story. On the 3:15:46.560 --> 3:15:50.560 twenty eighth of February, continuous live televised news coverage lasted 3:15:50.600 --> 3:15:54.800 for ten hours and forty minutes. This constituted an unprecedented 3:15:54.840 --> 3:15:59.920 broadcasting event in Japan. This constituted an unprecedented broadcasting event 3:16:00.160 --> 3:16:03.400 in Japan's media history that has never been surpassed in 3:16:03.520 --> 3:16:07.240 terms of its duration and ratings. At the climax the 3:16:07.280 --> 3:16:10.879 police operation in twenty February, with eighty nine point seven 3:16:10.879 --> 3:16:14.520 percent view of ratings according to the National Broadcasting Corporation, 3:16:15.120 --> 3:16:18.600 almost the entire country was watching the same thing on TV. 3:16:19.600 --> 3:16:22.840 The United Red Army's form of smaller scale insurgency against 3:16:22.879 --> 3:16:26.440 the state was thus rendered hyper visible, and this drew 3:16:26.800 --> 3:16:30.280 unprecedented attention to this due left sect. So after the 3:16:30.360 --> 3:16:35.160 remaining members were captured, between the interrogations, media interviews and autobiographies, 3:16:35.760 --> 3:16:37.920 the whole of Japan and the world got to hear 3:16:38.080 --> 3:16:42.959 what really went on. Immediately after the hostage situation, Despite 3:16:43.000 --> 3:16:46.680 their rather fringe style, the United Red Army actually had 3:16:46.879 --> 3:16:50.640 some public sympathy until the truth of how bad things 3:16:50.720 --> 3:16:53.520 were came to light. They even made a movie about it. 3:16:54.280 --> 3:16:57.680 The news of the purge practically devastated not only the 3:16:57.760 --> 3:17:02.000 broader Secagoon organization, but also transformed the course of the 3:17:02.080 --> 3:17:05.880 radical left in Japan and beyond. Remember, they did have 3:17:05.959 --> 3:17:09.240 a branch in Lebanon, which thankfully did not make the 3:17:09.280 --> 3:17:14.800 same pursiing mistakes. Still, though many in Japan lost hope 3:17:14.879 --> 3:17:19.240 in revolution as a result of the publicity of those actions. 3:17:20.040 --> 3:17:22.600 Political activism had already been on a decline in the 3:17:22.680 --> 3:17:25.800 late sixties and early seventies, but the shock of the 3:17:25.879 --> 3:17:29.080 Purge was like a nail in the coffin. A lot 3:17:29.120 --> 3:17:32.480 of people literally distanced themselves from their own leftist movements 3:17:32.560 --> 3:17:36.320 because of how staggering that news was. The Purge literally 3:17:36.480 --> 3:17:40.360 purged leftism as a major force in Japanese society. And 3:17:40.440 --> 3:17:45.200 it's only recently, with writers like Gohaisato that Marxism has 3:17:45.240 --> 3:17:46.760 started to gain some attention again. 3:17:47.920 --> 3:17:50.640 And this is like around what this is like the 3:17:51.760 --> 3:17:53.320 are we like the sixties seventies? 3:17:54.760 --> 3:17:57.879 Yeah? Yeah, all this took place in the The Purge 3:17:57.920 --> 3:18:02.080 took place between December nineteen seventy one and February nineteen 3:18:02.120 --> 3:18:02.600 seventy two. 3:18:03.520 --> 3:18:09.080 Really really the last dying breath of the militant truskyeser. 3:18:09.280 --> 3:18:17.480 Yes, indeed, indeed, if we look at the techniques used 3:18:17.560 --> 3:18:23.520 by political cults, rigid belief systems check you know, immunity 3:18:23.600 --> 3:18:29.760 to falsification, check, authoritarianism, check, arbitrary leadership, check deification of leaders. 3:18:31.000 --> 3:18:35.599 Most likely out I didn't seeing the evidence of that specifically, 3:18:36.040 --> 3:18:41.480 I wouldn't be surprised. Intense activism, check, use of loaded language. 3:18:41.840 --> 3:18:42.320 I'm sure. 3:18:43.080 --> 3:18:44.560 Yeah, I bet. 3:18:46.280 --> 3:18:50.000 You see basically all of those tactics employed in this organization, 3:18:50.200 --> 3:18:54.440 and you just see the result of it. And I 3:18:54.480 --> 3:18:57.600 think it's stories ideas that need to be known so 3:18:57.680 --> 3:19:02.800 that such mistakes can be of in the future. So, yeah, 3:19:03.040 --> 3:19:08.120 that's the story of the Unit's Red Army. This has 3:19:08.160 --> 3:19:09.039 been it could happen here. 3:19:09.560 --> 3:19:12.320 It certainly could happen. No, I think it is a 3:19:12.720 --> 3:19:16.640 It is a really good example. Now it doesn't map 3:19:16.720 --> 3:19:19.800 on one to one because I don't think many many 3:19:19.959 --> 3:19:24.600 people are are doing exactly what the Red Army did 3:19:24.680 --> 3:19:28.480 in terms of their their style of militant struggle. But 3:19:28.720 --> 3:19:31.920 there's there's there's smaller scale versions, and there's still the 3:19:32.040 --> 3:19:34.680 kind of insular group dynamics, whether that's like just an 3:19:34.720 --> 3:19:38.360 affinity group, whether that's like a larger collective. I think 3:19:38.400 --> 3:19:40.600 there's a lot of a lot of lessons to learn 3:19:40.879 --> 3:19:44.440 from the Red Army, and it'd be wrong just to 3:19:45.720 --> 3:19:48.440 dismiss this whole example as being a little bit too 3:19:49.320 --> 3:19:52.960 far fetched or just like two different because it is. 3:19:53.080 --> 3:19:56.480 It is a really tragic story, and I feel like 3:19:56.520 --> 3:19:58.800 people could learn learn more from this than what they 3:19:59.320 --> 3:19:59.920 initially think. 3:20:00.640 --> 3:20:05.199 Indeed, I agree, So don't go out there and start 3:20:05.280 --> 3:20:10.000 to unite your Red Army folks, try and avoid that. 3:20:10.480 --> 3:20:12.360 If you want to build a CAVIN, you can do 3:20:12.480 --> 3:20:19.280 it without burying twelve of your friends anyway, Thank you, 3:20:19.720 --> 3:20:20.280 Thank you for that. 3:20:20.440 --> 3:20:22.320 And true the problem? 3:20:23.840 --> 3:20:27.880 Where can the fine listeners find you on the internet? 3:20:29.160 --> 3:20:33.240 YouTube dot com, slash andrewism and nowhere else own I 3:20:33.320 --> 3:20:38.119 guess also Patreon dot com slash saying true. But other 3:20:38.160 --> 3:20:41.400 than that, I can't be found on the internet. I 3:20:41.480 --> 3:20:42.080 don't exist. 3:20:42.720 --> 3:20:45.400 Good for you, Good for you, just like the Red 3:20:45.520 --> 3:20:47.680 Army who doesn't exist anymore. 3:21:00.760 --> 3:21:03.480 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, Welcome back to It Could 3:21:03.640 --> 3:21:07.680 Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart and coping 3:21:07.760 --> 3:21:11.360 with dystopia. And one of the first signs of our 3:21:12.400 --> 3:21:16.280 dystopia coming to be was the establishment of the TSA 3:21:16.600 --> 3:21:19.960 and the Department of Homeland Security more broadly. Obviously DHS 3:21:20.480 --> 3:21:23.600 much more problematic than just the TSA. We did a 3:21:23.640 --> 3:21:26.760 couple of episodes on them with Behind the Bastards back 3:21:26.800 --> 3:21:29.080 in the day. But you know, the TSA came to 3:21:29.160 --> 3:21:32.560 be right after nine to eleven, and both its establishment, 3:21:32.680 --> 3:21:35.280 you know, the seeming necessity of it, and the kind 3:21:35.320 --> 3:21:39.760 of impositions into personal privacy that it made commonplace. We're 3:21:39.800 --> 3:21:44.400 both harbingers of the very fucked up era we find 3:21:44.480 --> 3:21:47.640 ourselves in now. And the TSA is an interesting law 3:21:47.720 --> 3:21:51.800 enforcement agency to me from the perspective of a normal person. 3:21:51.959 --> 3:21:54.800 I think they're kind of the least objectionable of our 3:21:54.879 --> 3:21:58.760 federal law enforcement agencies, right They at least, I should say, 3:21:58.800 --> 3:22:00.520 of all of the cops that we have in this country, 3:22:00.560 --> 3:22:02.520 they're the ones you're least likely to have a serious 3:22:02.560 --> 3:22:06.040 problem with, right Like, they're not real cops in the 3:22:06.120 --> 3:22:08.920 way that most cops are. They don't like ticket or 3:22:09.000 --> 3:22:12.760 arrest you generally, unless you're one of the startling number 3:22:12.760 --> 3:22:15.160 of Americans who gets caught with a loaded handgun trying 3:22:15.200 --> 3:22:19.320 to go through airport security. Mostly, and I've flown way 3:22:19.400 --> 3:22:22.800 more often than I want to remember, mostly My experience 3:22:22.840 --> 3:22:25.440 with TSA agents is they check your ID, you know, 3:22:25.760 --> 3:22:27.480 they stare at an X ray machine where your shit 3:22:27.600 --> 3:22:30.879 goes through it. Sometimes they alert and swab some stuff. 3:22:31.000 --> 3:22:33.200 But you know, for me, it's usually not that big 3:22:33.280 --> 3:22:35.320 a deal. For most people, I know, it's not that 3:22:35.400 --> 3:22:38.280 big a deal. Obviously, you know, the degree to which 3:22:38.320 --> 3:22:41.440 it's a problem is going to vary widely depending on 3:22:41.520 --> 3:22:44.520 whether or not you're a white dude. But that said, 3:22:44.800 --> 3:22:48.480 still less potential for things going horribly violently wrong and 3:22:48.600 --> 3:22:51.240 with a lot of police interactions. So I'll give them that. 3:22:51.920 --> 3:22:54.160 And it's interesting to me that kind of given this fact, 3:22:55.480 --> 3:23:00.400 the TSA is so hated, not by I think most Americans. 3:23:00.440 --> 3:23:02.520 I think we're all kind of frustrated by them. We know, 3:23:02.840 --> 3:23:05.400 you know, they're not great at their jobs. They get 3:23:05.480 --> 3:23:09.160 caught in tests, letting shit through all the time. It's 3:23:09.240 --> 3:23:10.520 kind of a pain in the butt. But there's a 3:23:10.600 --> 3:23:14.120 chunk of Americans who fucking hate the TSA, and they 3:23:14.160 --> 3:23:17.440 hate it because of how invasive it is. And it's 3:23:17.480 --> 3:23:20.600 a little weird if you're a regular person, because going 3:23:20.640 --> 3:23:24.080 through airport security is still less invasive than like applying 3:23:24.120 --> 3:23:26.080 for an apartment, which a lot of people do more 3:23:26.120 --> 3:23:29.440 regularly than they fly, or taking a trip to the DMV, 3:23:29.560 --> 3:23:31.920 which again a lot of people do more regularly than 3:23:32.000 --> 3:23:35.360 they fly. But people, you know, with money, upper middle 3:23:35.360 --> 3:23:39.360 class and rich people, that's where you really get most 3:23:39.480 --> 3:23:41.680 of the hate from the TSA. Now, obviously there's some 3:23:41.800 --> 3:23:45.080 from principled libertarians, and I tend to think they have 3:23:45.200 --> 3:23:47.320 a point there, but there's a lot of people who 3:23:47.400 --> 3:23:50.520 really hate the TSA specifically because it's kind of the 3:23:50.720 --> 3:23:53.520 only law enforcement friction they deal with on a day 3:23:53.520 --> 3:23:56.039 to day basis. You know, they live in a neighborhood 3:23:56.080 --> 3:23:58.440 where they're not getting pulled over. You know, the cops 3:23:58.560 --> 3:24:00.880 their job is not to fuck with with the people 3:24:00.920 --> 3:24:03.280 who have money. So the only time they're going to 3:24:03.320 --> 3:24:05.360 get padded down and deal with that thing that is 3:24:05.560 --> 3:24:08.200 a pretty common experience for Americans and a lot of 3:24:08.280 --> 3:24:11.640 cities is when they go through the airport when they fly, 3:24:11.840 --> 3:24:14.360 and they also fly often because they have more money. 3:24:14.760 --> 3:24:17.080 So I find myself in this interesting position when reporting 3:24:17.160 --> 3:24:19.880 on the TSA, of there's real abuses there, there's a 3:24:19.920 --> 3:24:22.520 lot of real threats there. The fact that they do 3:24:23.120 --> 3:24:26.279 get so much up in our business and that we've normalized, 3:24:26.320 --> 3:24:29.480 it is an issue, and at the same time, like 3:24:29.920 --> 3:24:31.920 I always know when I do something like this, the 3:24:31.959 --> 3:24:34.200 people who get angriest about whatever I write about the 3:24:34.280 --> 3:24:36.440 TSA are going to be the worst pieces of shit 3:24:36.480 --> 3:24:38.480 in the country. So it's a fun balancing act. 3:24:38.800 --> 3:24:38.920 Now. 3:24:39.040 --> 3:24:42.360 Obviously, as I'm trying not to gloss over, there are 3:24:42.400 --> 3:24:44.640 some really good reasons to be pissed at the TSA, 3:24:45.080 --> 3:24:48.360 like this twenty fifteen story from Denver of several agents 3:24:48.360 --> 3:24:52.080 who were caught running a groping scam. Basically, one female 3:24:52.160 --> 3:24:54.880 crew member would point out the men that she found attractive, 3:24:54.920 --> 3:24:57.520 and a colleague would signal that person out for a 3:24:57.640 --> 3:25:00.480 pat down, and they basically say, like, oh, it's alerting 3:25:00.600 --> 3:25:03.160 something around your growing or inner thighs, so that like 3:25:03.320 --> 3:25:07.000 she could bottle them. Essentially, Now these people got fired. 3:25:07.040 --> 3:25:10.000 The TSA went after them when they got caught, but 3:25:10.080 --> 3:25:12.920 who knows how many people they groped in the interim period. 3:25:13.560 --> 3:25:16.520 Video in twenty twenty three caught TSA agents at Miami 3:25:16.680 --> 3:25:20.760 International Airport stealing from passenger bags in the security lines. 3:25:21.000 --> 3:25:23.880 There's like footage of it. Obviously, the people who do 3:25:24.040 --> 3:25:26.880 this are going to be very, very stupid, because, like 3:25:27.800 --> 3:25:30.080 you know is a TSA agent. There's cameras all over 3:25:30.120 --> 3:25:32.800 the place. You're in the fucking TSA, and the video 3:25:32.920 --> 3:25:34.800 is just this guy like reaching his hand into a 3:25:34.879 --> 3:25:39.200 bag pulling out cash. It's not hard to find headlines 3:25:39.320 --> 3:25:42.080 that are similar, though, going back about as long as 3:25:42.120 --> 3:25:45.840 the TSA has existed, what interests me more are the 3:25:46.040 --> 3:25:50.640 massive violations of privacy and the potential involvement the TSA 3:25:50.760 --> 3:25:54.200 and their normalization of those invasions of privacy has in 3:25:54.280 --> 3:25:57.320 the expansion of the surveillance state. So this year at 3:25:57.400 --> 3:26:00.600 CEES twenty twenty four, when we found out the TSA 3:26:00.800 --> 3:26:02.560 had a booth and they were there to talk about 3:26:02.560 --> 3:26:05.880 their new facial recognition scanners, Garrison and I had to 3:26:05.959 --> 3:26:08.560 go check it out, and the interview that we conducted 3:26:08.680 --> 3:26:11.120 is going to kind of be the heart of this episode, 3:26:11.200 --> 3:26:13.480 but I wanted to get over a little bit more 3:26:13.600 --> 3:26:17.800 of a preamble first. So the TSA started testing facial 3:26:17.879 --> 3:26:22.840 recognition scanners on a voluntary basis at sixteen domestic airports, 3:26:22.879 --> 3:26:25.800 and I think twenty twenty two they expanded it to 3:26:26.000 --> 3:26:29.480 twenty five airports or so last year twenty twenty three, 3:26:29.920 --> 3:26:32.280 they are in twenty seven now, according to what we 3:26:32.360 --> 3:26:34.720 were told by a representative, and the goal is for 3:26:34.840 --> 3:26:39.959 this technology to go nationwide. Obviously, not everyone is thrilled 3:26:40.000 --> 3:26:42.280 with that idea. And I'm going to quote from a 3:26:42.520 --> 3:26:46.640 June twenty twenty three article on CBS News. Five US 3:26:46.720 --> 3:26:49.560 senators sent a letter demanding the TSA halt the program. 3:26:49.720 --> 3:26:53.039 You don't have to compromise people's biometric security in order 3:26:53.120 --> 3:26:57.840 to provide physical security at airports, said Senator ed Marky Pokowski, 3:26:58.000 --> 3:27:01.279 who is the TSA representative, says he agrees with senators 3:27:01.320 --> 3:27:04.000 and that he wants to protect privacy for every passenger. 3:27:04.280 --> 3:27:08.040 I want to deploy technology that's accurate and doesn't disadvantage anybody. 3:27:08.600 --> 3:27:12.000 Privacy advocates worry about the lack of regulations around facial 3:27:12.040 --> 3:27:15.280 recognition and its tendency to be less accurate with people 3:27:15.360 --> 3:27:18.400 of color. Most images are deleted after use, but some 3:27:18.600 --> 3:27:21.200 information is encrypted and retained for up to twenty four 3:27:21.240 --> 3:27:23.320 months as part of the ongoing review of how the 3:27:23.360 --> 3:27:26.920 technology performs. What's left out of that article is that 3:27:27.040 --> 3:27:30.360 the TSA is also allowed to maintain biometric data taken 3:27:30.440 --> 3:27:34.320 from non citizens, people entering the country from foreign countries, migrants, 3:27:34.400 --> 3:27:36.240 and the like, and they're able to keep that and 3:27:36.360 --> 3:27:38.840 share it. It's kind of unclear the extent of that, 3:27:39.200 --> 3:27:41.240 but they're not bound by the same rules with those 3:27:41.280 --> 3:27:44.160 people that they are for citizens. And there are other 3:27:44.240 --> 3:27:46.720 issues as well, as we'll get into. So Garrison and 3:27:46.760 --> 3:27:48.520 I were with excited to have a chance to chat 3:27:48.600 --> 3:27:52.120 with a TSA representative. This guy was less excited to 3:27:52.160 --> 3:27:54.440 see us, and we will get into that story, but 3:27:54.600 --> 3:28:10.600 before we do, it's time foreign ad break and we're back. 3:28:11.040 --> 3:28:14.840 So Garrison and I show up at the CES booth 3:28:15.000 --> 3:28:17.160 and it's kind of a small one. You might imagine 3:28:17.200 --> 3:28:20.560 it's about the size of like three normal office cubicles. 3:28:20.640 --> 3:28:23.440 Maybe there's a couple of tables. There's like a little 3:28:23.600 --> 3:28:26.120 podium thing in the front that's got their logo on it. 3:28:26.400 --> 3:28:30.240 They have some stickers, including one that's like it's like, 3:28:30.360 --> 3:28:34.000 peanut butter is a liquid and it's a cartoon of 3:28:34.040 --> 3:28:37.320 peanut butter, which I was informed when I commented on 3:28:37.400 --> 3:28:39.600 it by one of the TSA people that yes, peanut 3:28:39.640 --> 3:28:41.920 butter is a liquid, which is one of those things 3:28:41.920 --> 3:28:44.480 that it's both absurd and also like, well, actually, I 3:28:44.520 --> 3:28:47.240 don't know how else you'd categorize peanut butter if you're 3:28:47.280 --> 3:28:49.440 the TSA, so I guess it's something. 3:28:49.520 --> 3:28:52.640 I can't have much of an issue with cream. But 3:28:52.800 --> 3:28:54.039 is a cream different from a liquid? 3:28:54.080 --> 3:28:57.200 I don't know. That's for the philosophers to decide. So 3:28:57.680 --> 3:29:00.600 Garrison and I come up to this booth and there's 3:29:00.640 --> 3:29:02.280 a guy standing behind the pode. I mean, the way 3:29:02.360 --> 3:29:05.920 stuff works at CEES is you have generally a mix 3:29:06.120 --> 3:29:09.800 of actual officers from the company. Sometimes it'll be like 3:29:09.879 --> 3:29:12.760 a CEO or an executive in the case of a 3:29:12.840 --> 3:29:16.160 smaller company. Other times it'll be regular employees or like 3:29:16.280 --> 3:29:19.200 engineers and stuff who can answer technical questions, and then 3:29:19.240 --> 3:29:20.879 a bunch of Most of the people that you talk 3:29:20.920 --> 3:29:23.560 to are like PR reps. I don't know who the 3:29:23.640 --> 3:29:25.320 guy was that was at the booth when we first 3:29:25.400 --> 3:29:27.520 showed up, because as soon as we said we wanted 3:29:27.560 --> 3:29:30.440 to talk about their facial recognition cameras, he saw we 3:29:30.720 --> 3:29:34.240 were media and he instantly did the PR equivalent of 3:29:34.440 --> 3:29:37.320 throwing his buddy on a grenade. He like backed off, 3:29:37.360 --> 3:29:39.160 He was like, let me get something for you. He 3:29:39.320 --> 3:29:43.720 pulled his coworker over and then he fucking vanished. And 3:29:43.760 --> 3:29:45.440 I'm going to play you a little bit of audio 3:29:45.640 --> 3:29:47.680 of that, we're interested in what you have here in 3:29:47.760 --> 3:29:48.880 terms of facial recognition. 3:29:49.280 --> 3:29:51.000 It's the cat too right over there. 3:29:51.080 --> 3:29:54.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what are you saying, because I know 3:29:54.160 --> 3:29:57.879 right now, like if you've got pre check or oh gosh, 3:29:57.920 --> 3:30:00.160 what's the other one? The independent company that we I'm 3:30:00.360 --> 3:30:03.360 on a live interview now, I thought, so, I mean 3:30:03.440 --> 3:30:05.160 we came up to ask to talk to a TSA. 3:30:05.400 --> 3:30:08.680 Okay, sure, yeah, sure, hang on just a second. 3:30:09.800 --> 3:30:11.760 So the guy we found ourselves in front of was 3:30:11.879 --> 3:30:15.360 our Carter Langston, who is actually the Press secretary of 3:30:15.440 --> 3:30:17.720 the TSA, and by god, I don't know if I've 3:30:17.760 --> 3:30:21.080 ever seen a man less happy to see me. Eventually 3:30:21.440 --> 3:30:24.080 we started talking, and I have to give Carter credit 3:30:24.200 --> 3:30:28.080 for professionalism. His eyes said I despise you both on principle, 3:30:28.120 --> 3:30:30.720 and I am enraged to be doing this, but his 3:30:30.879 --> 3:30:35.080 voice remained calm, even and his responses were to be 3:30:35.200 --> 3:30:37.000 quite honest, pretty polished. 3:30:37.440 --> 3:30:39.240 I'm kind of interested in sort of how you see 3:30:39.320 --> 3:30:42.640 this altering the way we do air travel over the 3:30:42.720 --> 3:30:46.440 next five ten years, right, because obviously right now people 3:30:46.440 --> 3:30:49.320 are using facial recognition if they have pre check or 3:30:49.360 --> 3:30:51.720 they have I'm spacing the name, but you know, the 3:30:51.760 --> 3:30:54.600 independent company that does get you to pass the line 3:30:54.680 --> 3:30:57.720 and stuff like they do, like facial recognition when you 3:30:57.879 --> 3:31:00.360 are in the airport. Is this something that you is 3:31:00.440 --> 3:31:04.200 coming more broadly to like everybody going through security in the. 3:31:04.240 --> 3:31:07.480 Future, eventually, eventually. 3:31:09.120 --> 3:31:13.160 So right now it's at twenty seven participating airports, and 3:31:13.320 --> 3:31:16.959 it's not at every single we call them travel. 3:31:16.720 --> 3:31:18.080 Document checker podiums. 3:31:18.760 --> 3:31:19.920 It's not at every. 3:31:19.760 --> 3:31:26.640 Single checker travel Document checkerdum TDC, for sure, but it 3:31:27.040 --> 3:31:33.800 is growing and becoming We're deploying more and more as 3:31:34.120 --> 3:31:40.720 as funding becomes available for we're using facial recognition to 3:31:42.160 --> 3:31:48.400 identify passengers. It's a it's a significant improvement over the 3:31:49.080 --> 3:31:53.199 previous way we were identifying passengers just with the human 3:31:53.400 --> 3:31:57.920 interaction looking at an ID credential and looking at it 3:31:58.160 --> 3:32:02.800 based on what that individual knows about the fifty states 3:32:02.920 --> 3:32:04.600 and territories. 3:32:05.360 --> 3:32:08.120 And how they could what their credentials look like. 3:32:09.560 --> 3:32:13.360 The technology actually takes that over and does a much 3:32:13.840 --> 3:32:20.320 better job of validating the authenticity of that idea. And 3:32:20.440 --> 3:32:24.920 then the facial recognition component with a picture still image 3:32:25.720 --> 3:32:28.680 taking a picture of the passenger standing in front of 3:32:28.840 --> 3:32:34.840 the travel document check or podium and then matching that 3:32:35.080 --> 3:32:39.960 picture of that person standing there live against the credential 3:32:40.320 --> 3:32:44.880 photo and making a match that way, so we know 3:32:45.160 --> 3:32:51.880 that the credential is valid, it's true, it's accurate. We 3:32:52.080 --> 3:32:55.080 know that the person standing there is also the person 3:32:55.560 --> 3:33:00.840 on the credential. We can verify the boarding status and 3:33:01.000 --> 3:33:05.879 the screening status of that individual and can provide them with. 3:33:07.560 --> 3:33:08.400 Where they should go. 3:33:08.600 --> 3:33:13.520 Next for their screening because the officer is able to 3:33:13.640 --> 3:33:16.960 discern based on all of the information provided at the 3:33:17.040 --> 3:33:21.320 back end of the monitor that they reviewed. They can 3:33:21.440 --> 3:33:26.760 see all of those items have been checked, there's a 3:33:26.840 --> 3:33:30.200 boarding status, and there's a screening status, and then just 3:33:30.280 --> 3:33:33.600 tells the passenger where to go to follow up for screening. 3:33:34.280 --> 3:33:38.080 So I'm interested in how how someone becomes basically enrolled 3:33:38.080 --> 3:33:40.800 in this right, because my assumption is at this point, 3:33:41.640 --> 3:33:44.000 just the picture you get when you're getting your driver's 3:33:44.080 --> 3:33:47.120 license or your state ID for the DMV is not 3:33:47.280 --> 3:33:50.960 sufficient for a facial recognition system, right, simply having the 3:33:51.040 --> 3:33:53.480 picture in the government space. You need to have somebody 3:33:53.840 --> 3:33:57.040 to like get their face scanned, their irises scanned or 3:33:57.080 --> 3:33:57.560 something like that. 3:33:57.600 --> 3:34:00.440 In order to have them in the system, right, not in. 3:34:00.520 --> 3:34:01.360 The system at all. 3:34:02.400 --> 3:34:06.200 So with the way we're rolling these out at airports 3:34:06.280 --> 3:34:10.520 and check brains is once a passenger has been identified 3:34:11.400 --> 3:34:17.600 and that and goes into screening, all of the information. 3:34:17.879 --> 3:34:20.160 That was captured is gone. 3:34:21.360 --> 3:34:25.480 We don't store any of the pictures participation right now, 3:34:25.560 --> 3:34:26.800 it's completely volative. 3:34:27.720 --> 3:34:27.840 UH. 3:34:27.959 --> 3:34:32.680 Their signage right there at the checker podium UH to 3:34:33.200 --> 3:34:40.120 indicate that passengers can opt out, they don't have to 3:34:40.200 --> 3:34:44.040 participate and all that. All it happens at that point 3:34:44.760 --> 3:34:54.720 is the same officer will UH will turn basically over 3:34:54.840 --> 3:35:01.119 to the alternative process, review the ID, review the boarding 3:35:01.280 --> 3:35:04.120 pass and allow the passenger. 3:35:03.720 --> 3:35:05.959 To continue too easy. 3:35:06.680 --> 3:35:09.120 So if you don't lose their place in line, and 3:35:09.240 --> 3:35:13.520 they don't, they're not delayed in any way from getting 3:35:13.600 --> 3:35:14.640 screen But. 3:35:14.760 --> 3:35:17.080 I'm in terms of like the people who choose to 3:35:17.240 --> 3:35:17.480 use it. 3:35:17.640 --> 3:35:20.160 Right, So if you if you're in this system, is 3:35:20.240 --> 3:35:23.280 it literally just comparing your face to the face on 3:35:23.400 --> 3:35:25.600 the I D. You're not like en roll separately the 3:35:25.640 --> 3:35:28.000 way you are if you are in like pree checkers. 3:35:28.560 --> 3:35:30.600 No, okay, no it's not. 3:35:31.120 --> 3:35:36.360 There's not a database associated BABS and so no, that's 3:35:36.520 --> 3:35:37.600 that's not our use. 3:35:38.400 --> 3:35:38.600 Now. 3:35:40.360 --> 3:35:43.080 Some of the airlines have partnered with US. They saw 3:35:43.120 --> 3:35:47.880 a benefit in it, and they're using similar technology for 3:35:48.040 --> 3:35:55.680 backdrop for their Frequent Flyer Miles program participants. So that 3:35:56.160 --> 3:36:01.280 is there's a database associated with that obvious, and so 3:36:02.600 --> 3:36:10.960 those passengers are company have an entirely different experience. Yeah, 3:36:11.000 --> 3:36:13.640 but the way that we're using it at the checkpoint 3:36:14.800 --> 3:36:18.280 is as I just said, for identity verification. 3:36:19.080 --> 3:36:22.680 Got you caught that right? How he says participation is 3:36:22.840 --> 3:36:26.840 voluntary right now? Well, I hadn't come across this information 3:36:26.920 --> 3:36:29.880 at the time, but afterwards I read a fascinating Washington 3:36:29.920 --> 3:36:33.840 Post article from last summer about Portland Senator Jeff Murkley. 3:36:34.240 --> 3:36:36.760 Jeff Merkley says that when he was trying to make 3:36:36.800 --> 3:36:39.400 a flight at Reagan International Airport, he was told that 3:36:39.480 --> 3:36:42.200 if he didn't verify his ID via face scanner, he 3:36:42.240 --> 3:36:46.040 would face a significant delay. Quote from the article. There 3:36:46.160 --> 3:36:48.640 was no delay, the spokeswoman said. The senator showed his 3:36:48.720 --> 3:36:51.240 photo ID to the TSA agent in cleared security. 3:36:51.320 --> 3:36:52.800 So basically he was lied to. 3:36:53.000 --> 3:36:55.200 Somebody lied and said you're going to if you don't 3:36:55.200 --> 3:36:57.240 want to like be delayed and maybe miss your flight, 3:36:57.680 --> 3:36:59.920 you have to submit to a face scan which is 3:37:00.320 --> 3:37:02.920 one of the things that privacy advocates were worried about 3:37:03.000 --> 3:37:05.760 from the beginning. But you know what, privacy advocates aren't 3:37:05.760 --> 3:37:09.840 worried about the products and services that support this podcast, 3:37:21.080 --> 3:37:24.440 and we're back. So I think when it gets right 3:37:24.520 --> 3:37:26.680 down to it, the silliest part of all of this 3:37:26.840 --> 3:37:29.240 to me is that the TSA isn't even claiming they 3:37:29.320 --> 3:37:33.400 need to run faces through like some futuristic database of terrorists, 3:37:33.480 --> 3:37:35.880 right like they want to scan our faces so they 3:37:35.959 --> 3:37:38.360 know if this like bad guy they're tracking is in 3:37:38.440 --> 3:37:40.800 the airport in Disgui, it's using a fake passport or 3:37:40.840 --> 3:37:44.560 something that's not actually what it does. Facial recognition the 3:37:44.680 --> 3:37:48.440 TSA is using right now, at least, just takes the 3:37:48.520 --> 3:37:51.360 place of the TSA guy. You hand your ID before 3:37:51.400 --> 3:37:53.680 you go put your shit in bins, right like, you know, 3:37:54.000 --> 3:37:56.240 you go up and before you can go take your 3:37:56.240 --> 3:37:58.080 stuff out of your bags and put it in those bins. 3:37:58.320 --> 3:38:00.800 You hand a guy your license times your license and 3:38:00.840 --> 3:38:03.039 boarding pass. He looks at it in your face. If 3:38:03.080 --> 3:38:04.440 you wear at a mask, he tells you to take 3:38:04.480 --> 3:38:06.240 it down for a second and then he lets you 3:38:06.320 --> 3:38:09.160 go in. Right, That's what the facial recognition scanners are 3:38:09.280 --> 3:38:13.039 actually doing here. That Washington Post article also cites an 3:38:13.080 --> 3:38:16.080 anti facial recognition activist, Tauana Petty, who says that she 3:38:16.280 --> 3:38:19.240 was told by a TSA agent at the same airport, Reagan, 3:38:19.720 --> 3:38:23.640 that undergoing facial recognition scanning was not optional. So people 3:38:23.680 --> 3:38:26.560 are already being told this is a requirement. And obviously, 3:38:27.280 --> 3:38:30.440 as a spoiler for where this goes, the bigger, deeper 3:38:30.560 --> 3:38:33.600 question is like how long is that going to be 3:38:33.720 --> 3:38:34.120 the case? 3:38:34.440 --> 3:38:34.600 Right? 3:38:35.360 --> 3:38:39.039 So you know that's kind of the big concern, right, 3:38:39.280 --> 3:38:41.960 is that they're saying it's optional now, it obviously won't 3:38:42.000 --> 3:38:43.800 be forever, and some people are just going to be 3:38:43.879 --> 3:38:46.199 told they don't have a choice, Like that's kind of bullying, 3:38:46.360 --> 3:38:49.240 strong arming people, threatening that they'll miss their flight if 3:38:49.280 --> 3:38:52.039 they don't submit to it, which makes me extra suspicious 3:38:52.040 --> 3:38:54.879 about their data retention, right, And that is the question 3:38:55.040 --> 3:38:58.480 we asked as the interview went on, where is the TSAs, 3:38:58.600 --> 3:39:01.600 But where is the TSA's byometric data or really where 3:39:01.720 --> 3:39:05.800 is passenger biometric data actually going to go once the 3:39:05.879 --> 3:39:06.840 TSA has it? 3:39:07.320 --> 3:39:11.600 In terms of the information storage is is there? I 3:39:11.720 --> 3:39:14.720 know I've been seeing more of these like signs the 3:39:14.760 --> 3:39:17.480 more that I travel. It's I do a decent bit 3:39:17.480 --> 3:39:20.040 of traveling for these for these sorts of systems. And 3:39:20.160 --> 3:39:23.000 I'm curious with how this works for non US citizens 3:39:24.120 --> 3:39:26.840 if because I know there's there's certain at least in 3:39:27.040 --> 3:39:29.440 some of the technology that's being used by customers of 3:39:29.520 --> 3:39:33.680 border patrol, they do store images captured of non US 3:39:33.680 --> 3:39:35.039 citizens for a certain time period. 3:39:35.280 --> 3:39:36.240 They do take pictures of. 3:39:36.280 --> 3:39:38.360 US citizens when entering the country at. 3:39:38.400 --> 3:39:39.959 Lots of lots of airports. 3:39:40.920 --> 3:39:43.200 Are there are these two systems interacting at all? Or 3:39:43.600 --> 3:39:46.560 is the TSA system and not customers about customs and 3:39:46.600 --> 3:39:48.680 voter patrol system more separated? 3:39:49.280 --> 3:39:51.800 Well, first of all, I can't speak for customs and 3:39:51.840 --> 3:39:55.920 border protection, but I can tell you that where you 3:39:56.440 --> 3:39:59.240 we have two very different use cases. So in their 3:39:59.360 --> 3:40:03.960 use cases very much oriented in the customs arena, and 3:40:04.080 --> 3:40:07.959 then ours is as I just mentioned, at the checkpoint 3:40:08.680 --> 3:40:15.039 and solely for the identity verification. And if an international 3:40:15.160 --> 3:40:23.160 passenger comes in with a credential that identifies them, then 3:40:23.840 --> 3:40:29.480 the unit would obviously accept that credential. It's a photo, 3:40:30.040 --> 3:40:33.520 it's a photo credential. So again all that the system 3:40:33.600 --> 3:40:37.920 would do is validate that that person on that credential 3:40:38.080 --> 3:40:41.160 is also the same person that's standing right there in 3:40:41.280 --> 3:40:43.000 front of the travel document checker. 3:40:43.800 --> 3:40:46.560 Okay, most of you are probably aware of this, but 3:40:46.680 --> 3:40:49.400 the TSA actually does not have a good record of 3:40:49.440 --> 3:40:52.279 protecting private data. Now this is not old man Robert 3:40:52.360 --> 3:40:56.000 being a libertarian, it's just documented history. The TSA initially 3:40:56.120 --> 3:40:59.080 claimed their full body scanners, which took what are essentially 3:40:59.200 --> 3:41:03.320 naked pictures, never stored photos and couldn't transmit them. But 3:41:03.400 --> 3:41:05.880 in twenty ten this was revealed to be a lie 3:41:06.160 --> 3:41:09.879 when we gained access to documents that included technical specifications 3:41:09.959 --> 3:41:13.720 and vendor contracts which indicated the TSA required vendors of 3:41:13.840 --> 3:41:16.840 these scanners to provide equipment that can store and send 3:41:16.920 --> 3:41:19.440 images of screen passengers. Now this was supposed to only 3:41:19.520 --> 3:41:21.840 be in testing mode, but if it can store and 3:41:22.080 --> 3:41:25.400 send images of screened passengers, it can store and send 3:41:25.480 --> 3:41:29.440 images of screened passengers. In twenty twelve, a former TSA 3:41:29.560 --> 3:41:32.640 agent accused his coworkers of saving nude body images of 3:41:32.720 --> 3:41:35.640 passengers from the body scanner and making fun of them 3:41:35.720 --> 3:41:38.320 in back rooms. He said that safeguards were put in 3:41:38.400 --> 3:41:40.920 place to ensure the agents manning the scanners never saw 3:41:41.000 --> 3:41:44.040 the people they were scanning outside of the scanner, but 3:41:44.200 --> 3:41:48.440 that these policies were frequently violated. Basically, every privacy policy 3:41:48.520 --> 3:41:51.480 they had was frequently violated by agents so that they 3:41:51.520 --> 3:41:54.040 could make fun of people's dicks, Right, that's the story. 3:41:54.600 --> 3:41:57.800 The TSA retired its old scanners the next year, replacing 3:41:57.840 --> 3:42:01.080 them with a device that showed less detail, particularly provided 3:42:01.120 --> 3:42:04.480 agents with less clear looks at people's dongs. In twenty 3:42:04.600 --> 3:42:07.600 twenty one, a TSA agent in Minneapolis was accused by 3:42:07.640 --> 3:42:10.320 airport police of taking dozens of photos of young women 3:42:10.440 --> 3:42:13.600 going through flight screening. The TSA's record here, both in 3:42:13.720 --> 3:42:16.680 terms of the agency itself and in terms of its employees, 3:42:17.120 --> 3:42:20.520 is certainly not worse than numerous police departments right or 3:42:20.600 --> 3:42:23.320 the FBI. This is something to keep in mind. As 3:42:23.520 --> 3:42:26.840 frustrating as all this stuff is, literally every local and 3:42:27.360 --> 3:42:31.480 city law enforcement agency has worse cases, and by gods, 3:42:31.560 --> 3:42:34.039 so do the FEDS could make a case that, as 3:42:34.120 --> 3:42:36.080 frustrating as a lot of this is, the TSA is 3:42:36.160 --> 3:42:38.199 less of a threat to privacy than most other federal 3:42:38.320 --> 3:42:41.560 law enforcement agencies. But that's beside the point. For one thing, 3:42:42.080 --> 3:42:45.960 normalizing facial recognition technology in the airports is a step 3:42:46.040 --> 3:42:50.200 towards normalizing it everywhere, the data that is gathered will 3:42:50.240 --> 3:42:54.400 not always be deleted, and more to the point, there's 3:42:54.440 --> 3:42:56.120 no way to know that the system isn't going to 3:42:56.200 --> 3:42:59.520 expand in directions that we all find deeply uncomfortable as 3:42:59.560 --> 3:43:01.320 it goes on. That's why you kind of have to 3:43:01.440 --> 3:43:04.040 nip this stuff in the bud, especially since they're not 3:43:04.160 --> 3:43:08.000 really promising extra security here. When you look at the 3:43:08.440 --> 3:43:10.280 scandals of the TSA, a lot of it has to 3:43:10.320 --> 3:43:12.800 do with the fact that they'll be getting tested by 3:43:12.879 --> 3:43:14.880 some other law enforcement agency to see if they can 3:43:15.000 --> 3:43:17.920 like sneak shit through, right, and the TSAO led a 3:43:17.959 --> 3:43:20.119 bunch of guns or a fake bomb or whatever through 3:43:20.200 --> 3:43:23.400 because people aren't paying attention. Facial scanners aren't going to 3:43:23.480 --> 3:43:25.120 catch that, and it's kind of unclear to me what 3:43:25.240 --> 3:43:28.680 they are going to catch. My other bigger issue is 3:43:28.720 --> 3:43:31.920 that even though they say they're going to throw away 3:43:31.959 --> 3:43:34.040 biometric data, they're not going to keep it more than 3:43:34.120 --> 3:43:37.960 twenty four hours outside of special situations, which they do 3:43:38.080 --> 3:43:40.240 kind of leave themselves an end there. The fact that 3:43:40.320 --> 3:43:42.360 they say they're deleting this stuff doesn't mean they are 3:43:42.440 --> 3:43:44.560 going to delete that stuff. And I brought up this 3:43:44.720 --> 3:43:48.840 troubling history of like lack of respect for privacy, violations 3:43:48.840 --> 3:43:51.520 of privacy by TSA agents in the past within the 3:43:51.600 --> 3:43:54.840 context of this new system. And I want to play 3:43:54.920 --> 3:43:57.440 Carter's answer for you. I am curious. 3:43:57.520 --> 3:44:00.360 You know, there were a couple of last mic or 3:44:00.440 --> 3:44:03.680 six years, a couple of cases stories that grew up 3:44:03.760 --> 3:44:07.960 of pictures, images of passengers who were on the body 3:44:08.040 --> 3:44:11.879 scanners being shared, right like that said they were before, 3:44:11.879 --> 3:44:15.560 a couple of scandals about that, and that influenced your 3:44:15.600 --> 3:44:18.760 attitudes on the data attention policy that should exist for 3:44:19.320 --> 3:44:20.400 the facial recognitions. 3:44:21.080 --> 3:44:26.400 So let me first tell you that we follow the 3:44:26.520 --> 3:44:31.920 National Institute of National Institute of Standards and Technology their 3:44:32.040 --> 3:44:37.440 guidelines and standards to a t. Not only that we 3:44:37.640 --> 3:44:47.119 publish online our privacy impact assessments, so there are we're 3:44:47.280 --> 3:44:52.039 very transparent in our use of this technology, how we're 3:44:52.120 --> 3:44:55.360 using it, what we're using it for. And again it's 3:44:55.440 --> 3:44:58.039 completely voluntary, nothing. 3:44:57.879 --> 3:45:01.879 Is stored and similar and it's simply. 3:45:04.840 --> 3:45:05.800 Which is really the. 3:45:05.920 --> 3:45:10.800 Lynch transportation security. Yeah, I mean we've got to know 3:45:11.200 --> 3:45:14.480 that was who we're I guess going live into the 3:45:14.560 --> 3:45:18.120 secure area of an airport is in fact it's a 3:45:18.240 --> 3:45:18.800 person that. 3:45:20.360 --> 3:45:23.720 They say that so yeah, that's more or less how 3:45:23.760 --> 3:45:27.480 the conversation ended. Carter was very happy to see us go, 3:45:27.840 --> 3:45:32.120 and I don't think Garrison or I were particularly surprised 3:45:32.320 --> 3:45:35.320 by anything we heard, but I did find it interesting 3:45:35.440 --> 3:45:38.080 that he kind of confirmed the goal is eventually for 3:45:38.200 --> 3:45:40.360 this to not just be everywhere, but be something that 3:45:40.480 --> 3:45:43.920 you can't opt out of. And I do partly wonder 3:45:44.320 --> 3:45:48.039 how much of that is them looking for a way 3:45:48.240 --> 3:45:50.560 to get more data on people, maybe even to share 3:45:50.600 --> 3:45:53.160 to other law enforcement agencies, and how much of that 3:45:53.480 --> 3:45:56.960 is kind of the same reason a lot of you know, 3:45:57.360 --> 3:46:01.400 AI style technology and kind of facial recognition does sort 3:46:01.400 --> 3:46:03.120 of fall under that umbrella. If you're going to have 3:46:03.240 --> 3:46:05.119 a general intelligence, one thing it has to be able 3:46:05.120 --> 3:46:07.360 to do is recognize people's faces. So it is a 3:46:07.480 --> 3:46:10.080 piece of that and I think that, just like a 3:46:10.160 --> 3:46:12.960 lot of other applications of that kind of technology are 3:46:13.000 --> 3:46:17.000 inevitably used to cut workforces. That's kind of probably the 3:46:17.160 --> 3:46:20.200 chief thing the TSA is looking to use it to do. Right, 3:46:20.680 --> 3:46:22.640 if you can replace the guy who has to look 3:46:22.680 --> 3:46:24.760 at your ID, or at least most of them, with 3:46:24.920 --> 3:46:27.800 facial recognition scanners that do the same thing, then you 3:46:27.920 --> 3:46:30.600 can save on your budget right now. The downside of that, 3:46:30.760 --> 3:46:33.000 maybe to us. The upside is it could be faster. 3:46:33.200 --> 3:46:35.480 The downside, of course, is there's a really good chance 3:46:35.560 --> 3:46:38.080 it won't be. The robot will be even more racist 3:46:38.120 --> 3:46:40.640 than Asa age it might be. You know, it's one 3:46:40.720 --> 3:46:42.880 less chance to deal with a human with whom you 3:46:42.959 --> 3:46:45.959 might be able to talk something through. Anyway, Well, I'll 3:46:46.000 --> 3:46:48.600 see where this goes, but for today, this has been 3:46:48.680 --> 3:46:54.720 It Could Happen here, and I have been Robert Evans. 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