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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: Bucket we Ball, all right, yeah, Bucket we Ball, Welcome

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Speaker 3: to it could happen here. We have a pretty sizable

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Speaker 3: panel today. I'm Garrison Davis. I have been forced to

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Speaker 3: watch many hours of daily Wire plus exclusive programming at gunpoint.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: My co hosts mostly Robert Evans, uh huh.

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Speaker 4: We are joined by Mia Wong. I was not involved

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Speaker 4: in the kidnapping and what this is on the record.

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Speaker 4: We have a sports consultant, James Stout.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, I'm here to talk about sports.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And we have our resident, a subject matter

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Speaker 5: I'm so afraid, so so.

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Speaker 3: How how many of you have seen it, at least

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Speaker 3: the trailer for Lady Ballers? Because I'm assuming I'm the

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Speaker 2: I tried to watch through the trailer of Lady Ballers,

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Speaker 3: Okay, anyone else I saw part of the trailer. Do

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, yep.

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Speaker 1: I haven't taken on in aus troll this week. Let's

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Speaker 2: Okay, time to get black pilled. Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna subject the panel here to the Ladyballer's trailer,

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Speaker 3: which then you'll hear their reaction, do you afterwards?

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. So this was mostly an excuse for them

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Speaker 2: to like slow mo video of hitting women, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was the primary reason for doing this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't need to see that whole thing that

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Speaker 3: As what I's it's not even like it's not even

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Speaker 1: And the reason, Garrison I.

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Speaker 3: Saw this twice. The reason is is because I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeahs fascinating to see what Garrison gets recommended.

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Speaker 5: There is a screenshot of like all the like grab

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I do have some slides to show the class.

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Speaker 3: He is he is incredibly boring, Sophie an excellent observation.

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Speaker 3: We start in two thousand and eight. Jeremy Boring has

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Speaker 3: But to play basketball once again, they first have to

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Speaker 3: After the Lady Baller's way of success, the coach's ex

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Speaker 3: I'm not showing No, I'm not showing you my pirate

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Speaker 3: So this is the opposing team made up of I

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Speaker 4: This is also the plot of Barvel's Echo The journalist stay,

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Speaker 3: Close, Then suddenly the first player to join the lady

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Speaker 1: What the why? Sorry the next why are they like this?

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Speaker 5: Every screencap just gets worse and worse.

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Speaker 3: Right, Before the second half of the game starts, the

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Speaker 1: That's that's nothing. I love have angreed this fucking tagline,

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Speaker 3: Winners are just losers who do what's right because because

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, my my high school basketball coach told

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Speaker 6: But that's just good advice, Sophie. That's what I tell

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Speaker 2: That's what I told you.

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Speaker 3: So after this what's played off as like a heartwarming ending,

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Speaker 1: We do have a post credit.

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Speaker 4: Actually said he actually yes, literally said another sweet Daddy Walsh.

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Speaker 3: No, because okay, previously Walsh was playing a liberal boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Garrison, I'm I'm gonna need you to cut the

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Speaker 1: That's that's closer, will I will?

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Speaker 3: I will ad that.

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Speaker 7: Here another Sweet Daddy Walsh Adventure comes to a satisfying conclusion.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I don't understand how anything

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Speaker 5: Fuck shake, Garrison, great, So why why are you doing

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Speaker 2: I'll say this.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like a movie, does it?

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Speaker 1: Does it?

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Speaker 1: Not a very good one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a good one. But do you.

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Speaker 3: Know what is really good for all of us? Ad

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Speaker 5: I kind of stream into the void. But yeah, all right,

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Speaker 3: A fun recap of the Daily Wires hit new movie

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Speaker 3: Lady Ballers, streaming exclusively on The Daily Wire Plus. So

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Speaker 3: this is also deeply revealing. So The Daily has a

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Speaker 3: This idea, however, was quickly abandoned due to the obvious

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Speaker 6: Man, I would have respected it if that had If

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Speaker 11: So you approached me and you said we should make

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Speaker 11: I originally went to them and I said, you guys

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Speaker 3: A very clear admission from Ben Shapiro that this entire

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Speaker 3: premis is fake, that this I premis could never work,

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Speaker 3: And so after disproving their own premise, what's left to do?

445
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Speaker 1: Well?

446
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: The CEO of The Daily Wire and failed Hollywood producer

447
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 3: Jeremy Boring wanted to take this idea from Ben and

448
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: just do it as a fictional movie, because fiction's arguably

449
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 3: more powerful than reality. So for his directorial debut, Jeremy

450
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 3: wanted to make something reminiscent of early two thousands comedies,

451
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: and he was frequently rough frinst Dodgeball as aspiration for

452
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Speaker 3: this movie.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised.

454
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Speaker 1: Which is it to be fair? Is it insults to Dodgeball?

455
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 6: No, that's a that's an actual movie.

456
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Contains some genuinely funny scenes, characters.

457
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Speaker 2: I think script like Vince Vaughan actually is a conservative,

458
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Speaker 2: but he's also an actor.

459
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Speaker 3: I think Boring is definitely stuck in the early two

460
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Speaker 3: thousands as culture because that is when he tried to

461
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Speaker 3: break into Hollywood. So that's kind of what his idea

462
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: of what movies are is. Very much is trapped in

463
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Speaker 3: the early early two thousands. He has he has a

464
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: quote from that interview with Ben Shapiro, quote, There's not

465
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Speaker 3: been a true comedy made since Barack Obama became president.

466
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Speaker 3: Obama destroyed three things comedy, rock and roll, and America.

467
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Speaker 3: Other than that he was an average president.

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Speaker 4: Fucking hell own strikes on every fucking rock band.

469
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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's why he took a predictor drawing

470
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Speaker 1: to Linen skin. It's house.

471
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Speaker 2: Only if only.

472
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Speaker 3: Jeremy Boring also remarked, quote, it became impossible to tell

473
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Speaker 3: a joke in the Obama administration because Obama made a

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Speaker 3: pact with culture shapers that they should change the fundamental

475
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Speaker 3: understanding of themselves unquote, and he's talking about how comedy

476
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Speaker 3: became a way to progress social change instead of a

477
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: way to point out the absurdity in the world. So

478
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: Jeremy decided to move forward with the production of Lady

479
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Speaker 3: Ballers in mid March of twenty twenty three, which, if

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Speaker 3: you are good at math, you realize is less than

481
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Speaker 3: a year than when it came out. The script for

482
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Speaker 3: Lady Ballers was written in just two weeks.

483
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Speaker 1: Sounds right, yep, well that I absolutely believe. Did they

484
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: use GBT? It is? It is?

485
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Speaker 3: It is possible. The entire production had to be very rushed,

486
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: since Jeremy needed to be in Hungary in the beginning

487
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: of July to shoot the Daily Wires New Fantasy mini series.

488
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: But Jeremy says the biggest production hurdle wasn't budgetary or

489
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: the very tight pre production and shooting schedule. It was

490
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: the casting process. Every single actor they approached for every

491
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: single role. Is that is a direct quote? Said no.

492
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: Even the conservative actors who have said that they've want

493
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: to work with the Daily Wire have already worked with

494
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Speaker 3: the Daily Wire. Even canceled actors declined after hearing the

495
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Speaker 3: pitch for Lady Ballers Man, which isn't surprising because the

496
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: movie is not very good, So instead of hiring actual actors,

497
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: they just decided to use Daily Wire employees love this obviously.

498
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Speaker 3: Writer director and Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring stars as

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Speaker 3: coach rob I'm refusing to call him that. I'm just

500
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Speaker 3: gonna call him coach Jeremy because that's who he is.

501
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: The three hosts of the sports podcast The Crane and

502
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: Company are three of the Lady Wallers. Matt Walsh plays

503
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Speaker 3: the hippie husband of Robinson.

504
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Speaker 5: They claim to have been like athletes, like high school

505
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Speaker 5: or college athletes.

506
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a different thing.

507
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine Ben Shapiro was used as a

508
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: football but as close as they.

509
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: Get, Bench Peary was the one on top of the

510
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: cheerleading tower. He's a little guy. He didn't been good

511
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: at it.

512
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have we have Matt Walsh playing the hippie,

513
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 3: woke husband. Daily Wire hosts Michael Knowles and Brett Cooper,

514
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: both of whom are failed actors, play newscasters. Then we

515
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: have Daily Wire hosts Ben Shapiro, cand of Sowans, Andrew

516
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 3: Clavin and Jordan Peterson all have Cameo Roles, so I

517
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: was able to excitedly point out all eleven Daily Wire

518
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: employees to my friend as they forced them to watch

519
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Speaker 3: this with me.

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Speaker 1: Still, so the.

521
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: Roder we have mental health care through the company, right, Yeah,

522
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: we might need to get a fifty one to fifty

523
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Speaker 2: on Garrison just for a couple of couple of couple

524
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Speaker 2: of three day cycles.

525
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Speaker 6: Oh, they cleared this out of their heads.

526
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: I was actually disassociating and thinking about how one day

527
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: I hope to cast all of us in a basketball movie.

528
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: A movie you mean, a movie about the actual time

529
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: that I outshot Lebron James. Sure, yeah, that makes that

530
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: makes sense.

531
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Speaker 1: So I've seen Robert send a pool ball about head

532
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Speaker 1: height across a crowded once. I am sure it would

533
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: be very similar.

534
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: That was just a brief demonstration of my power. James.

535
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you redunked that pool balls. I mean Christmas

536
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: to see.

537
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Speaker 5: I thought the worst basketball movie I saw was the

538
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: one on Disney Channel where they had two twins that

539
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 5: were basketball players but they weren't actually twins, and it

540
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 5: looked nothing alike and it was just really really poor

541
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: production and bad.

542
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: But this is it.

543
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: I thought there was basketball movie I've seen was Space

544
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: Jam two.

545
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: But this this now, no, no, no, you loved that movie.

546
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: You talked about that movie for so long.

547
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: It's not a good movie.

548
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: So it is really bad.

549
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: So Lady Ballers was shot in less than a month

550
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: under the fake name Coach Miracle Now. According to reporting

551
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: from the National Scene, background actors and crew were misled

552
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: about the production before signing on to the movie, just

553
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: being told it was a basketball comedy. The name The

554
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: Daily Wire was hidden in the contracts and extras had

555
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: to sign NDAs it appears, the production company went by

556
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: the name Bonfire Legend, which is also the production company

557
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: going forward with The Daily Wires Fantasy mini series and

558
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: a few other upcoming projects. So be on the watch

559
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: for anything called Bonfire Legend if you're signing up to

560
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: be a background extra for a movie in Nashville. Well,

561
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: I was able to locate the online casting sheet for

562
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: the movie and it has this description quote casting extras kids,

563
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: skilled sports.

564
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Sports is in parentheses.

565
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: By the way it is, it doesn't make sense as

566
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: as a sentence. But casting extras kids, skilled sports and

567
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: background for a misfit Team inspired basketball comedy Misfit Team.

568
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, yeah, that's skilled.

569
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: God. I found there. I found they like the recruiting

570
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: thing for the Coach Miracle project. Oh god, there's some

571
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: terrible shit in here. I guess they seemed to want

572
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: to start. It was supposed to be about t ball initially.

573
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Well there is there is.

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Speaker 3: There is a scene where when I see when the

575
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Speaker 3: athletes start entering all of the women's divisions, they they

576
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: do enter a t boll contest as well. That is

577
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: that is that is during the montage.

578
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: I guess they just couldn't give up that great idea.

579
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: Despite the on disclosure agreement, local background actors in Nashville

580
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: did come out and warn people about the production once

581
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: they figured out the Daily Wires involvement and the movie's

582
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: anti trans messaging. One extra, a trans man who unwittingly

583
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: signed onto the movie, said that Daily Wire fans from

584
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: around the country traveled to Nashville to be in the

585
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: film once they learned it was shooting in Tennessee, and

586
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: according to background actors, certain props and costuming were hid

587
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: on set to downplay the transphobia while shooting. After some

588
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: extras voiced concerns and objections to props and signs which

589
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: read stuff like baller Pride and various other kind of

590
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: like trans related jokes. To quote the Nashville scene quote.

591
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: During a break from filming, several actors voiced their objections

592
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: and were quote unquote screaming about the Daily Wires involvement

593
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: with the film before being escorted out of the building unquote.

594
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: Protests were held outside of filming locations for the duration

595
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: of the shoot. These protests also served to inform unaware

596
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: cast and crew about the movie's messaging. Filming was initially

597
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: supposed to take place at Belmont University, but that got

598
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: canceled as the Daily Wires deception regarding the production of

599
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: the film was made public. So good on everyone who

600
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: was coming out against this after they realized what was happening.

601
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: Good on everyone for protesting disrupting these sorts of things.

602
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: I think is a vital importance at the very least,

603
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: so that you can inform anyone who is signed on

604
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: to this that of like what this actually is, because

605
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: you know, if you're a transperson who signed up to

606
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: be a backward extra and you find yourself on a

607
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: Daily Wire set, that is a very dangerous place to be.

608
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: So that is extremely important. Ted Cruz, who was an

609
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: aspiring actor according to According to jervy Borg in his youth,

610
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: was asked to do a cameo.

611
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Speaker 2: Oh God, oh that scans so much Jesus Christ. Every

612
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: one of these fucking guys.

613
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 6: All of them were all aspiring movie like American in Hollywood.

614
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Speaker 2: But they can't because they don't have any talent.

615
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, aspiring is generous. Failed would be a failed failed.

616
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: We need like a public works jobs program for these

617
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: people or something to stop them from doing this stuff,

618
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: like have them I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We need to integrate. We need to integrate Hollywood casting

620
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: agents with a system of suicide booths, and we need

621
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Speaker 2: to put a sign outside those suicide booths that says

622
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Marvel Movie Backlot Casting or something like that. And when

623
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: these people fail out, we just send them into the

624
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: booth and tell them they got a great role. They're

625
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: going to be the new Spider Man or whatever.

626
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Speaker 1: Describing Canadian Hollywood, you.

627
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: Are describing Canadian Hollywood. After after Ted Cruz has shot

628
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: his cameo, he beat Jeremy Boring in a one on

629
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: one basketball game. So that's a fun fact for you, Sophie.

630
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: It would be a comedy.

631
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Speaker 3: Fact for me because you love basketball, Yeah, but nobody

632
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: needs That's.

633
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Speaker 2: That's a real case of the stoppable force meeting the

634
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Speaker 2: movable object.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Did they have the like low hoops? Do

636
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you think you know? The ones for children who can't

637
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: jump up to dunk on an adult size hoop yet? Is?

638
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: There's a really good line from Jeremy in an interview

639
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: that went discussing the production of this film. After shooting

640
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: a wrestling scene with a professional stunt woman, Jeremy said

641
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: that he was driving in his car on his way

642
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: home and he thought to himself, quote, we're genuinely being

643
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: terrible to women in the making of this movie, unquote,

644
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: which is the most true thing he's ever said.

645
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, but he tried to he tried.

646
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: To justify it by saying, this is actually happening in

647
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: the actual world, referring to men injuring children and little

648
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: girls in sports games. Which isn't true. That that just

649
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: isn't true. Grown men are not entering little league and

650
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: assaulting little girls. That's just not happening.

651
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 5: Jeremy of the Ted Cruz basketball game, because Ted Cruz

652
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 5: pass I have the ugliest jump shot that has ever existed.

653
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: I don't think he can jump, Yeah, exactly, he has.

654
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: He has a one foot vertical at least I think,

655
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: but he.

656
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 5: Definitely shoots like two hands like Jolty.

657
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: It's it's it's weird how much Jeremy in interviews has

658
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: to like reassure himself that, like this quote, this movie

659
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: is absurd, but it's only as absurd as the real

660
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: world unquote, despite already admitting that the entire conceit of

661
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: this movie, that that men can fake being trans to

662
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: just win all of women's sports, is just divorced from reality.

663
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: It's not true.

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Speaker 3: Like you this, this doesn't happen. And now I will

665
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Speaker 3: do one one final quote from Jeremy that made me

666
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Speaker 3: really upset before we take a take another ad break,

667
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: where he's talking about the thematic similarities in this film.

668
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: Quote Tonally, the film is a lot like Dodgeball, but

669
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: thematically it's much less like Dodgeball. It's much more like

670
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: the Death of Stolid unquote, which is so absolutely good movie,

671
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: the Death of Stall and slaps the fact that Jermy

672
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: Boring is comparing his dog shit basketball movie to the

673
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 3: Death of Stalin's darring Steve Buscemi insulting.

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00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't get to. You don't get. You don't

675
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: get to compare yourself to Armando Yanucci. If you've never

676
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: written a thing which you didn't This was not This

677
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: is not writing.

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Speaker 1: Holy upsetting.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think the closest thing I can compare

680
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 5: it to is the Disney Channel original movie Double Team

681
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: to where the twins were not actually twins and the

682
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: plot was bad.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and don't google that Double Teamed.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a capitalistic palette cleanser with these lovely products

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Speaker 3: and services that support my daily wire Plus addiction.

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00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: All right, we are back.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Sophie's showing me the picture from the

688
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: Disney Channel movie. It does not look good. No, I

689
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: will say it does look slightly better than lay, which

690
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: isn't insane carrying the bar which is lying on the ground.

691
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Lifetime's better.

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00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: Let's get into some of the jokes and the and

693
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: the ideological underpinnings of this film. And I also just

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Speaker 3: have a few others random fun facts I have here

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00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: saved the the the the font choice for the opening

696
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: credits of this movie, which is not very good if

697
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Speaker 3: you if you look at the font for the Daily

698
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: Wired Plus presents a Jeremies movie which is another title

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00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: card is just a Jereimese movie, which isn't how you

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Speaker 3: do title.

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Speaker 1: Cards for films. But whatever sentence.

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00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: No, we have just one minute into the film there

703
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: is your mom incest joke between two brothers.

704
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: Every time you say something, it just fucking comes out

705
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: of out of no way.

706
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: There's actually a lot of incest oaks in this movie.

707
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: Why immediately we have like overexposed cinematography, the white circlip thing.

708
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't look good. We have this joke in the

709
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: first few minutes with this gay coated uh TWL boy

710
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: who's sniffing the sweaty towels from the other teammates during

711
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: the during the opening credits montage, they put this horrible

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Speaker 3: film grain filter on this basketball footage. I have I

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00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: have a I have an example here. Just it doesn't

714
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: look good. It doesn't look good. That guy breakdancing, No,

715
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 3: that's that's that's him doing a foul I think.

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00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: It's him doing a fucking Tim Robinson face.

717
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does kind of have a Tim Robinson ad face.

718
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

719
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: And we also during the opening credits, we have the

720
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Speaker 3: great line introducing Jeremy Boring.

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Speaker 1: Very fun.

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Speaker 3: We have a we have a kids and their damn

723
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: phones joke.

724
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Speaker 2: With with sure, oh, I'm certain.

725
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: With phone notifications being used as a punchline during a

726
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: failed like impassioned speech. We have what was what was

727
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: first a funny joke, We have a stealing catalytic converter joke,

728
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: which is immediately ruined.

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00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: Ah ah, come on, it's offensive to Robert.

730
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Speaker 1: I will not stand for this.

731
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: My culture is not a costume.

732
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

733
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: The catalytic Converter jokes immediately ruined by turning racist by

734
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: having the one black kid in the class drop his

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00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: cordless reciprocating saw. The movie then acknowledges the racism by

736
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: having the coach receive a phone call from his boss

737
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: telling him that it's racist to tell teenage boys not

738
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Speaker 3: to steal, which the coach justifies by saying the Bible

739
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: says not to steal. In response, his boss fires him

740
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Speaker 3: because you can't teach the Bible in school.

741
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: So that God, I wish it were. That is how.

742
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 3: That is how coach Jeremy loses his job. When picking

743
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: up his daughter from school, the teacher standing outside is

744
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: inaudible because she's he was wearing like six COVID masks.

745
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: One of which says, quote, we say gay, and then

746
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: the teacher goes into a coughing fit because Jeremy does

747
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: not have a catalytic converter, and Jeremy just tells her

748
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: to smile and wear makeup. Jeremy asks his daughter what

749
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Speaker 3: they learned at school today, and she says that they

750
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: had a moment of silence for the workers exploited by

751
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Speaker 3: the capitalistic system when learning about the Cold War. His

752
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: eight year old daughter also informs him in class that

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Speaker 3: a girl showed her her penis in the bathroom. Jeremy's

754
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: upset at this, but his daughter accuses him of being

755
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: transphobic and says, okay, boomer, very very funny stuff. Jeremy

756
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: suggests that he might move his daughter to a private school,

757
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: to which his daughter replies, quote private schools reinforce white

758
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: patriarchal privilege.

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00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: Unquote based base child, base child rile children hate you, yo, divorces.

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Speaker 1: Just such a powerful day wild.

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Speaker 3: Lot of the movies jokes are just Jereby Boring's fake

762
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: daughter saying like accurate, like academic level things, and that's

763
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 3: just the joke, is that she's like right, Jereby has

764
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: been coucked by a liberal hippie played by Matt Walsh,

765
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Speaker 3: as we've said, who refers to the coach as my

766
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: lover's former lover, which is which they play as an

767
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: ongoing joke, and liberal Matt Walsh talks about how he

768
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: likes eating bugs and vaccines to stay healthy. This is

769
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: this is coded as a joke that vaccines keep you healthy.

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Speaker 1: Whal she's not a great actor.

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Speaker 5: Eating bugs and vaccine to keep healthy? Yeah, I did

772
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 5: get that right, all right? Yeah, Now, while she's not

773
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: a good actor, he is. He is a black hole

774
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 5: of charisma. He can he can really only do deadpan delivery.

775
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 5: So watching him try to play like a sincere hippie

776
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 5: leftist is just like uncanny. But Jeremy plays the most

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Speaker 5: divorced man ever, which she pulls off fine.

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Speaker 1: So is she acting in that role? I gotta give

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Speaker 1: him credit?

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00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 6: Right?

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00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: What you know?

782
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Speaker 3: They say in front of Matt Walsh's house, we have

783
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: these like fake we have these fake yard signs which

784
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna read quote in this house, we believe

785
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: crickets are delicious. Silence is violence. Speech is also violence.

786
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: No one is illegal, but Europeans coming to America was bad.

787
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 3: Guns don't kill people. White people kill people. Also, trans

788
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: rights are human rights feelings. Don't care about your facts.

789
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: Pride Month is every month. Social credit scores matter in

790
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: inclusive inclusion. The earth is literally going to burst into

791
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 3: flame any day.

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00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: I like that he just kept rights or human rights

793
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: in there. Can't think of riff on it. It's just

794
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: like human rights.

795
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: No one is illegal, but Europeans coming to America is bad.

796
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: So true, so true. Yes, this isn't more base yard

797
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: side than the ones that like live people actually have. Yeah,

798
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: you could have just outside of my house. Yeah, it

799
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: wasn't very funny.

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00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: They are if the fact that like twelve people in

801
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: this country eat cricket protein like it's it's such a

802
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: they're a baby thing to be scared of, like you

803
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: all eat lobster.

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Speaker 6: Go on.

805
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 5: I'm saying, you know, yard sides could be improved, is

806
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Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

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00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: They couldn't even get like a cab on that, Like

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00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: it seems like there's some really easy things.

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00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: They don't really have anything related to police in this

810
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: movie at all.

811
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what I'm getting mad about.

812
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: Jays at the Coach's new job at the drag themed

813
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: restaurant Jeremy Boring has to like put on drag and

814
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: then reflects on sexual harassment by saying, quote, I didn't

815
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: know men could be so handsy. He then sexually assaults

816
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: a female barkeep immediately after finishing that sentence, which I

817
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: guess is like played as a joke, but he like

818
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: he likes he like slaps of a female barkeep on

819
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: the butt after reflecting on sexual harassment. When reflecting on

820
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: his life since two thousand and eight, the coach says, quote,

821
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: I've stayed the same and the world has changed. One day,

822
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: it's all about winning. The next day, they want you

823
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: to lead from behind. Don't be so mean to kids,

824
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: don't push them so hard, don't make fun of losers.

825
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 3: How are you supposed to win that way? Unquote? It's

826
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Speaker 3: just an interesting look at Jeremy Boring saying like he

827
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: is trapped in two thousand and eight and the world

828
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: has moved on, but he is still there, which I

829
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: think is totally true. Him, Ben Shapiro, all of them

830
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: are trapped in two thousand and eight and the world

831
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: has moved on, and they are unwilling to learn and

832
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: grow and change. His people and this is just just

833
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: a really interesting admission of that fact.

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Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting thing here too, with like

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Speaker 4: the way that this, this, this kind of like this

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00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: this has to do with also the like the why

837
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: they're so obsessed with college campuses, but the way that

838
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 4: they're like they're stuck in high school sports. Oh yeah,

839
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: it was just like this powerfully American thing, like no

840
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: one else in the fucking world cares about high school sports.

841
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: Like no one, I mean, real people don't care about

842
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: any sports.

843
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: Wrong, the core of my existence, it is it is

844
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: like a reactionary nostalgia like like it is it is.

845
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 3: It is a very like like a hontological reactionary conservative drive.

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Speaker 5: I also want to point out that that laugh that

847
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 5: Robert just did, the little evil laugh he just said,

848
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 5: is what they were trying to go for at the

849
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 5: end of that movie.

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Speaker 2: And I know, I know, look, look what they have

851
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: to do to mimic a fraction of my power.

852
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: Spending millions of dollars the whole dog Shit Cast Dogship

853
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 3: Basketball movie.

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00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

855
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: So, like many of the Daily Wire Zone staff, the

856
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: the the cacharacter of the former high school basketball player

857
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: was also an aspiring actor, but wasn't able to succeed

858
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: because quote, it turns out white males of non exotic

859
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: sexualities is the only ethnic group not being cast by

860
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: Hollywood these days.

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00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Unquote.

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00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I haven't seen a white guy in a

863
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 6: movie in forever. Nope, just go to La No white dudes.

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00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: I love that.

865
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 6: Like one of the wokest movies of last year, the

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00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 6: D and D movie still had a white guy as

867
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 6: the main character, Like it's they're all over the place.

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00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 5: Not to mention a white guy sports movie, very uncommon, like, yeah,

869
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 5: come on.

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00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: I just love the turn of phrase non exotic sexualities

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00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: and then referring to that as an ethnic group.

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00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: Yes, that.

873
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: Makes the sexuality exotic.

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00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: We then have a joke quote I heard Disney was

875
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: going to make the new Snow White a neurodiversion black

876
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: lesbian unquote, which is just Jeremy being mad about the

877
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: new Snow White movie because he's trying to make his

878
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: own snow.

879
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, that is it about cocaine. Uh oh

880
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: probably mm hmm. I can see that. Divorced dad on

881
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: cocaine'll be it'll be great.

882
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

883
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hate my kids and I love cocaine. That's

884
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: the entire script.

885
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: When referencing white men, Jeremy says, quote, it wasn't that

886
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: long ago when we were champions, winners.

887
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Unquote.

888
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: I mean you never were, Jeremy.

889
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Just learn how to cry on the inside like a

890
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: winner like the rest.

891
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremy, Yeah, there's plenty of white men who are

892
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: champions at various things, just not you, because you're a

893
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: fundamentally disappointing person.

894
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: When the coach is fighting with a woman at the

895
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: track and field sign up table, the woman threatens him

896
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: with a taser and says I will tase a white man.

897
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: When the former basketball player runs up to check on

898
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: the coach after he's tased, the woman says, holy crap,

899
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: I taste an ally, after which, after getting his player

900
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: listed in the woman's division, Jeremy says quote, I was

901
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: happy we could get this worked out without without having

902
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: to get social media involved, to which the woman at

903
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: this signup table, to which the woman at the signe

904
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: up table says, quote, please, I have a family and

905
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: a queer dog. It's very funny, very funny stuff.

906
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: Fuck all right, well really upsetting me? Please?

907
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: We then continue this is we have, we have, we have,

908
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: Jeremy saying lines like do you know how much faster

909
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: a man past his prime is than a female athlete

910
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: and not.

911
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: Not faster, not like I'm sorry, I have been sorry.

912
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: We also have high school boys could run faster than

913
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: world record of female sprinters on no, they can't stop. Like.

914
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: Also for just say you hate women, just say you

915
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: hate women.

916
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: This is yeah, Sophie, you were actually you were actually

917
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 3: stumbling across the actual ideological core of this movie, which

918
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: is just hating women.

919
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.

920
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: Hating women, hating trans women, just being hateful. Yeah, yeah

921
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: at sport and wishing you didn't suck at everything you

922
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: try and do.

923
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put they put a horrible digital video filter overall.

924
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: By the way, the fastest female marathon runner tickets, Essepha

925
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: from Ethiopia, did it in two hours and eleven minutes,

926
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: in fifty three seconds.

927
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: I will.

928
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 6: Give you to throw some random high schoolers at that

929
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 6: record and see if they can beat it. I do.

930
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 5: I do hope that somewhere on the internet there is

931
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 5: data of Ted Cruz is athletic.

932
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Uh, go ahead, I.

933
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: Want to see Matt Walsh try to do a two

934
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: hour and eleven minute marathon because his heart will explode.

935
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 5: But also I want to know Ted Cruz's times from

936
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 5: high school.

937
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: That's got to be s yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: What kind of fucking track runner were you?

939
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: Yeah yep, yeah yeah yeah.

940
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: And they're they're right that, like the fastest males are faster,

941
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: but the fastest male marathon is faster by like eight minutes,

942
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: nine minutes.

943
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: Well, like testosterone is a massive performance enhancing druck.

944
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 6: Yes, but it's not like the way they're saying. We're like, well,

945
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 6: any man could beat the best women. No, very few

946
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 6: people can do a two hour and eleven minute marathon.

947
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, even when I spent most of my twenties

948
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: being paid to exercise, I trained all the time with

949
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: ladies who were also like paid to exercise right when

950
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: we were. When I was racing bikes, I trained with

951
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: women who are pro racers all the time. Women who

952
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: are very good at sports are just very fucking good

953
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: at sports. Like, even men who are professional athletes are

954
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna be on their level.

955
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: Most professional athletes can't do a two hour and eleven

956
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: minute marathon. Only like people who are really fucking good

957
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: at marathon.

958
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 5: Make sure you could lap this guy that is high

959
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 5: school Ted Cruz, Yeah, magnificent.

960
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: So we have.

961
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: We have this reoccurring Joe with these two newscasters played

962
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: by two of the daily wirehouses. Throughout all of the

963
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: news footage, there's a horrible like fake like digital video

964
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: filter just overlaid on the footage. It looks really ugly,

965
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: and the newscasters keep saying brave and beautiful trans women,

966
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: as if they're being forced at gunpoint to acknowledge that

967
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: trans women exist. There is a few bud light jokes

968
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: in there. We have a joke about Jeremy stealing most

969
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: of the winnings from the track and field contest. When

970
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: the journalists character is called out for transphobia by the

971
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: coach when she accuses the athlete of faking being a woman,

972
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: she responds by saying, quote, save it. I'm a journalist.

973
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: I literally cannot be shamed, and then and then says

974
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: that you can only be a woman if you get

975
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: menstrual cramps, which is really funny because this is actually

976
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: one thing that happens. If you go on HRT for

977
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: long enough, you actually do start getting menstrual cramps. So

978
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: the actual line she has about only real women have

979
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: menstrual cramps is one of the things that HRT actually

980
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: does does give you, which is just kind of funny.

981
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I love the idea as well, Like before you enter

982
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: the women's basketball game, you have to provide evidence of

983
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: your menstrual cramps. In order to be able to compete,

984
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: you have to provide empirical proof of cramp. Cramp inspector

985
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: has arrived.

986
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: The journalist also says quat men are stronger, faster, meaner.

987
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 3: Soon all of the best women will be men, cheating

988
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 3: low life men.

989
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: But after after the.

990
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: First meeting between the journalists and the coach where they

991
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: agree to work together, the journalist invites the coach home

992
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: and Jeremy gets them doombed. This is this is This

993
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: is a reoccurring bit in the movie that Jeremy gets

994
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: femdammed by this journalist. I'll believe that I have I

995
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 3: have a screenshot here Jeremy tied up in bed.

996
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: This yeah Jesus Christ.

997
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

998
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: When trying to get their old team back together, they

999
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 3: learned that the one black guy from their old team

1000
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: was found dead with a hole in his head due

1001
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 3: to a laser from space. I think this is a

1002
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: Jewish space laser joke. It's not explained why. Yeah, wow,

1003
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: what is.

1004
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 7: What?

1005
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't say it's a joke there, Yeah,

1006
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: I have this information you do here? I can't. I can't.

1007
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you think I feel like they had to take

1008
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: the anti Savaitines and Bucks need that a black man died?

1009
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: Is that literally the whole joke?

1010
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: And he was probably he probably got killed from a

1011
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: from from a laser in space, And why that is

1012
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 3: all the joke is?

1013
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 6: That's okay?

1014
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 5: Also, just looking at this screencap on this photo, why

1015
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 5: is it decorated with like urban outfitters like lighting because

1016
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: she's a journalist.

1017
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Seffie, you don't have an outfit's room in

1018
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: your house. You didn't get one from the from the

1019
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: journalists in Union, No I was. I was not provided

1020
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: a Neon love light. Oh yeah, I got one of them.

1021
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: He's on. On my return from Syria, I get another one.

1022
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: The movie is full of stock footage and a lot

1023
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: of royalty free music, and there was there was literally

1024
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: a Jeremy's Razors commercial shoved in the middle of the movie,

1025
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: alongside a whole which of the other Daily Wire product placement.

1026
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: If you didn't know, Jeremy Boarding started his own razor

1027
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: company after Harry's Razors dropped their ads on the on

1028
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: the Daily Wire, so he started his own razor company.

1029
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: He also started his own chocolate company, both of which

1030
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: have product placement in the film. But Jeremy's Razors has

1031
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 3: a whole like ad just edited into the middle of

1032
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: this movie. I think this is like a Wayne's World reference,

1033
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 3: but it's hard to say.

1034
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is that. I think you're right there.

1035
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: There is a rape whistle joke, just a joke saying

1036
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: that rape whistles exist, and that's the joke. And then

1037
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: when the coach's daughter explains gender theory to the lady ballers,

1038
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: we get a fantastic series of shots depicting a gender

1039
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 3: conspiracy board red string connecting terms on a whiteboard such

1040
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: as demi boy, demi girl, paraboy, which I I actually like, paraboy.

1041
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: That one's pood when you're a boy with a parachute,

1042
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: L TB T Q I A plus A, B, C,

1043
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: D E, F G, etcetera, et cetera.

1044
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: We have the word panda as a term. I don't

1045
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 3: know what that means.

1046
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: F ten heard of that one, f T M mt f.

1047
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: A fab amab other non binary pan sexual saxo sexual,

1048
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is.

1049
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: They have one who just fox Anglo saxons.

1050
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: Because of saxophone, maybe a saxophone.

1051
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 4: I finally found a type of homophobia that I approve of.

1052
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: They have saxo sexuals. Stop at the center of the

1053
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 4: gender conspiracy board. They just have frogs, which is I

1054
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: guess in Alex Jones joke. But here is the picture

1055
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: of the gender conspiracy board.

1056
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: Lots of the lots of the red string on this

1057
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 3: board just connected nothing, It's just red string.

1058
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bad conspiracy board. I've made a lot

1059
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: in my life and that one's not very good.

1060
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: Sod.

1061
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 6: Also, it's really lame to do it to make like

1062
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 6: a whiteboard, your your board, like get cut out pictures

1063
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 6: and bits of like text and stuff from from printouts

1064
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 6: and nail it to the wall, you know, like actually

1065
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 6: go the.

1066
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: Extra mile, basic ass whiteboard.

1067
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 6: That looks like something someone makes for a movie, not

1068
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 6: something a crazy person makes in the throes of paranoia.

1069
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: Like come on, so I'm just going to speed run

1070
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: the rest of these.

1071
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: Come on, hit me.

1072
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 4: We are we're getting we are getting a little log.

1073
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: Yes.

1074
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: When one player asks what is a woman, another response

1075
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: by saying just shave your legs, tell each other how

1076
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: brave you are for things that require absolutely no physical courage,

1077
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: and don't be afraid to cry at work.

1078
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: Unquote, yeah, all things I do as man actually about

1079
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: you are as I've established, crying the into like a winner.

1080
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: There is a part of a part of their ongoing

1081
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: newscaster segment they get increasingly more racist costumes after being

1082
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 3: forced to go on two weeks of sensitivity training. Michael

1083
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: Knowles's character learns that they are quote a raging scoliosexual

1084
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: and also one and two thousand and forty eight percent Dakota.

1085
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: So he says, I know what it's like to overcome diversity,

1086
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: and then the other newscaster says that her old name

1087
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: is her slave name. She is a white woman. These

1088
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: costumes only get more racist the more filmed on Jesus

1089
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: goes on. As the lady ballers enter onto the court

1090
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: for the first time, all of the seats are empty

1091
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: because quote it's ladies basketball boys. Nobody watches during their

1092
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: first game.

1093
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, I just say, all these people

1094
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: who are suddenly so fucking concerned about women's sports manifestly

1095
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: do not give a fuck about women's sports. Right, correct.

1096
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: You weren't there when the prize money was shit. When

1097
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: people are being secretly assaulted by their coaches, you don't

1098
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: give a fuck. It's just a vehicle for transphobia and

1099
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: just a behaicle teansphobia and how much they hate women.

1100
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: During their first game, the lady ballers keep whispering in

1101
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: the ears of the players from the other team that

1102
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: they're lesbians, some of whom are revolted, some of whom

1103
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: are turned on by this. Referee Ben Shapiro, in a

1104
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: cameo role, Oh good, says keep it clean, keep it

1105
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: tucked to the players as they start their first game.

1106
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: The game is full of constant fouls as the male

1107
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: players just flagrantly assault the other team. The stands start

1108
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: to fill up the longer the game goes on, and

1109
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: someone in the audience says, this is great. It's just

1110
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: like watching men's basketball. This is just a reoccurring bit.

1111
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: Is that, like all of the footage of basketball with

1112
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: like men versus women, it's just the men like assaulting

1113
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: women during playing and just like doing like fowls. They're

1114
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: not actually playing basketball, they're just like punching women and

1115
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: stealing the ball and like that's that's how they play.

1116
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: One of the ladyballers feel a little guilty after winning

1117
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: their first game after seeing a woman on the other

1118
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: team cry, and then in the locker room he says

1119
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: to the boys, quote, aren't we just using our innate

1120
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: strength and speed to wail on a bunch of girls

1121
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: in a competition where we wouldn't stand a chance against

1122
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: other men? But then he gets a notification that he

1123
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: got a brand sponsorship and then changes his mind. The

1124
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: other lady ballers gets invited to Nike commercials and to

1125
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: speak at the White House on women's rights. The journalist

1126
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: calls this the virtue economy. After their first win, the

1127
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: journalist is about to fuck Jeremy Boring in the locker room,

1128
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: but stops and says, the last thing I need is

1129
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: another abortion this year, and says, do you know what

1130
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: it's like to be a female field reporter in the

1131
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: twenty ninth biggest media market? Which I don't understand how

1132
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: that relates to the abortion. It's not very funny. Here's

1133
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: a screenshot from the wrestling bit where you see, yeah,

1134
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: totally a totally real weight class distinction between a guy

1135
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: who's like over two hundred pounds and a woman who's

1136
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: like one hundred and forty pounds. Totally how sports works.

1137
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh sor the guy doesn't look very familiar with the

1138
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: ways and means of wrestling.

1139
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: No, the two brothers enter a woman's shower together and

1140
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 3: say one small step for dudes, one giant leap for lesbians.

1141
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: The joke is that men are gonna sexually assault women,

1142
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: I guess, which again is only more revealing about how

1143
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: these guys think about women. During the victory montage, almost

1144
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: all of the basketball gameplay is just the men assaulting women.

1145
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: We have lots of fowls and slow motions, shots of

1146
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: like men's dicks and crotches colliding with the female players faces.

1147
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 3: That's that's most. That's most of the footage.

1148
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, most of the footage that I'm sure boring

1149
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: watched over and over again. In slow mom.

1150
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: We have a lot of dead naming jokes. We have

1151
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: one transage joke about how the towel boy can now

1152
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 3: relive childhood as a girl and compete in girls Little

1153
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: League baseball, in which he gives the eight year old

1154
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 3: picture a concussion. There's a joke about how girls have

1155
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: sex with each other at sleepovers, which leads to an

1156
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: incest orgy. That's that's just a reoccurring side plot, is

1157
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: this incest orgy joke?

1158
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jeremy.

1159
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: Boring says to his ex wife when his ex wife

1160
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: is complaining to him about all of his deception, he says,

1161
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: my former lover the turf. And that's that's played as

1162
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 3: a joke. Here's more of these increasingly racist costumes.

1163
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: My god from vocals and for sake and fucking stop,

1164
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, pretty man.

1165
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 8: Fuck So yeah, wow, Garrison look so embarrassed for these people.

1166
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't look like they're having fun.

1167
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: They just.

1168
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: Uh anyway, I have I have a few more of

1169
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 3: the incest jokes written down, but I don't think I

1170
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 3: need to read them.

1171
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. The journalist character constant.

1172
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: All of the journalists throughout the film, including these two

1173
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 3: newscasters and the main journalist character, constantly make fun of

1174
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 3: and insult people who have kids. This is like the

1175
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: Daily Wire making some point about how like journalists hate families.

1176
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 3: I think it's.

1177
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: Kind of un because they pay us like shiit so

1178
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: like we're all too poor to have children.

1179
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: So that's that's all the jokes. Now I'm gonna get

1180
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: to like my actual end thesis on des No, but

1181
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: I think I.

1182
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 5: Think you do have a good theory there that like

1183
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 5: this is this might be set up to start like

1184
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: a Matt wash some kind of like cinema.

1185
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: Because we have the final shot of Matt Walsh actually

1186
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: orchestrating the whole thing. Anyway, So the actual ideology of

1187
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 3: this film is that men are better at almost anything

1188
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: that requires skill, but women are maybe better at like emotions,

1189
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: and they can make babies, and that's the one benefit

1190
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: to being a woman. This belief was paraphrased in the

1191
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: movie itself by the journalists character saying, quote, boys and

1192
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: girls are different, but at least girls can have babies.

1193
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: In probably what's the most like extremely telling scene in

1194
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 3: which many of the Daily Wire staff have referred to

1195
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: as the heart of the movie, where the coach tells

1196
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 3: his daughter, it's true that boys are better at all

1197
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 3: sports as well as driving, parking, stem fields, rock and roll,

1198
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: and opening pickle jars. Girls have one special gift that

1199
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 3: boys can ever have, making babies. So to this type

1200
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: of conservative women are just emotional baby making factories who

1201
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: also serve to quote unquote civilized men it's the only

1202
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: reason we have civilization, no women, no world. This is

1203
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: how they view women. They view women as a civilizing

1204
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: force thrust upon men and as a factory for reproduction.

1205
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: That is the only utility that the Daily Wire sees

1206
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: for being a woman. Now, this scene with Jeremy Boring

1207
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: and his fake daughter is immediately followed up by another

1208
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: very preachy scene in a way that really breaks from

1209
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: the movie's pacing. The coach is talking to the journalists

1210
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: character about his divorce and how he's worried that's really

1211
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: starting to affect his daughter. The journalist then goes on

1212
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 3: a very out of character rant about how, of course

1213
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 3: the divorce is affecting his daughter. Quote, seventy percent of

1214
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: people in prison come from broken families. Your daughter is

1215
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: now twice as likely to do drugs twice, is likely

1216
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: to drop out of school four times, is likely to

1217
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: have trouble fitting in three times, is likely to end

1218
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: up in therapy twice, is likely to commit suicide fifty

1219
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: percent more likely to have health problems. Do people even

1220
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 3: freaking do a Google search before deciding to blow up

1221
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: the planet your kids live on? Unquote? So this is

1222
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: the Daily Wire taking a break from the movie to

1223
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 3: express their belief that divorce is the root cause of

1224
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: sidal decay. This is the other, I think core part

1225
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: of the movie's ideology, how the fact that women are

1226
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 3: divorcing men is causing most of this of the societal

1227
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: problems that we're seeing in America. And then the which

1228
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 3: is probably the most frustrating scene where we have the

1229
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: we have the first kind of ladyballer. Player comes out

1230
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: to the coach as maybe feeling like they're actually trans

1231
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 3: The coach then instructs them to ignore anyone in their

1232
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: life who might be loving and accepting, like their family,

1233
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 3: and instead just listen to Jeremy Boring, saying, quote, you're confused.

1234
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: I get that. We're all confused sometimes. If you need help, buddy,

1235
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna help you get it.

1236
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: But you need to believe me when I tell you this.

1237
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 3: You're not a woman. You're just a lost man in

1238
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 3: a lost world with shitty parents and a shitty coach

1239
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 3: who've all gone along with this lie. Instead of hurting

1240
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: your feelings and telling you the truth, The player then

1241
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: asks them how can the coach be so sure that

1242
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: they're not a woman, to which Jeremy Boring then punches

1243
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 3: the player in the genitals and walks away. He has

1244
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: no a for that, right. Jerrby Boring has no answer

1245
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: to someone who actually says no, I'm trans The only

1246
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: answer to him is to assault them. This is this

1247
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: points at the Daily Wire is the actual ideological core.

1248
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: They want you to ignore everyone in your life who

1249
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: loves you and accepts you and instead just listen to them.

1250
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: To briefly paraphrase a review from Rollo Tony, this organization

1251
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: is built around the phrase facts don't care about your feelings.

1252
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: But they're telling the audience the exact opposite, to actually

1253
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 3: just ignore everyone in your life who actually loves you,

1254
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: ignore the facts of your actual sense of being, and

1255
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 3: instead listen to The Daily Wire and pay a one

1256
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: hundred dollars subscription service to the Daily Wire. Plus that's

1257
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: the actual point of the movie, and I this film

1258
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: doesn't even qualify as like a parody movie because a

1259
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: parody comes from a place of appreciation that rehiffies the

1260
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 3: actual original source material. This movie is too self invested

1261
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: in the Daily Wire's own micro cosmatic world to actually

1262
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: even succeed in any in any sense of parody, and

1263
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: the moral of the film is that a healthy man

1264
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 3: would never want to be a woman because women are

1265
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,479
Speaker 3: so much genetically worse than men. But because women are worse,

1266
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: we should let them have their own fun, We should

1267
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: let them have their own sports, because they have no

1268
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,479
Speaker 3: chance of ever competing with men in anything. This movie

1269
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 3: can't fathom why someone who was born a man would

1270
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: want to transition into a woman for any other reason

1271
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: than fame and success, because women are so much just

1272
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 3: like inferior. At the heart of this film lies a

1273
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: deep hatred of women and a misogynistic core to its transphobia.

1274
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 3: Misogyny operates as the film's own justification for its transphobia,

1275
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 3: as the film spends most as The film spends most

1276
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: of its time making fun of women and women's sports,

1277
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: as it does the idea of trans people. There are

1278
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 3: no actual trans characters in the movie. The film doesn't

1279
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: even deal with trans issues. Besides, just like drag and

1280
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: the word non binary being a joke, there isn't actual

1281
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 3: any jokes. It's all about how women suck. That's the

1282
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: actual point of the movie, and for all of that,

1283
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: the actual attempts at humor just don't work because most

1284
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: of the humor is just saying classically offensive things and

1285
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 3: acting like that itself is a punchline, which doesn't work

1286
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 3: as comedy because the people saying those lines also genuinely

1287
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 3: believe the offensive things they're saying. It only works as

1288
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: a joke if the conservative audience can imagine a liberal

1289
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 3: audience getting triggered while watching, which isn't actually humor. And

1290
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: the only other type of humor we have in the

1291
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: film is anti intellectualism characters like Jeremy Boring's daughter saying

1292
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 3: random like gender theory terms, and that being plays a

1293
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 3: joke with no punchline, none of it actually works. I

1294
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 3: mostly feel bad for all of the child actors who

1295
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: got duped into this and all of the extras. That's

1296
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: the actual end result of this film is that The

1297
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 3: Daily Wire trick to a whole bunch of people in Nashville,

1298
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: including like very innocent kids, into participating in this just

1299
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 3: very low quality piece of propaganda that just deeply hates women.

1300
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: And that is my actual thesis on how this movie operates,

1301
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: and the core of the Daily Wire's own transphobia being

1302
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 3: this misogynistic center and worldview that men are superior to women.

1303
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I will say I think they've done a

1304
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 4: good job in they've they've created a companion piece to

1305
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 4: Whipping Girl, where if you need to explain to someone

1306
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 4: what trans misogyny is, you just show them this movie.

1307
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1308
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, Well, yep, I think we've said enough

1309
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 6: about it.

1310
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: Was that was a fun hour and fifteen minutes.

1311
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to talk about that again.

1312
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,480
Speaker 5: Thanks for ruining my day, Garson.

1313
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 6: All right, everybody, enjoy the Daily Wire. I guess buckety ball.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, welcome, TA could happen here? Focusting. I'm enthusiastically

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Speaker 1: introducing for the third time because I've just sounded so

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Speaker 1: half fast the first two times that I've made myself

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Speaker 1: do it again. I'm joined by my friend and your friend,

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Speaker 1: Sharene Lannie Unis Hi, Serene Hi.

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Speaker 10: That was lovely to witness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wasn't it great that I really put on my

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Speaker 1: podcasting boots and you know, went back to the podcasting

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Speaker 1: pace to do another day in the podcast minds and

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Speaker 1: it's beautiful.

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Speaker 10: Beautiful, Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: that's that's all I have to say.

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Speaker 1: As you can tell too, content creators who are excited

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Speaker 1: to create content. I'm glad we're not on Twitch. We

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Speaker 1: would we would be uh, we'd be in the poorhouse.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like eight hour streams can't do it

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Speaker 1: all right, So we're not here to talk about how

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Speaker 1: how have we been in the podcast minds for too long?

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Speaker 1: Today we are here to talk about clothing in the cold.

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Speaker 1: Why are we talking about this? Because right now it's

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Speaker 1: it's record cold all across the US. It's very, very cold.

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Speaker 1: Because I meant to spending a lot of time outside,

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Speaker 1: both helping drop water for migrants crossing the border, helping

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Speaker 1: out in cucumber, and a lot of days just like

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Speaker 1: doing my recreation stuff in the mountains. So I'd like

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Speaker 1: to do And I think that, like I guess education,

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people have been aggressively marketed

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Speaker 1: at about what to wear when they're outdoors, be that

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Speaker 1: people who are working or people who are recreating. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's good to have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: clarity around it, especially as we're entering like this might

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Speaker 1: be the worst winter of our lives, it might also

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Speaker 1: be the best winter of the rest of our lives. Right.

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Speaker 1: Climate change is making more and more people exposed to

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Speaker 1: more and more extreme weather all over the world. So

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the stuff

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Speaker 1: I've learned in thirty something years of playing outside about

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Speaker 1: how to stay warm in the cold. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do. I've got this broken down, Like

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Speaker 1: I think, the really important thing to think about when

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Speaker 1: you are picking your outfit it is obviously or your

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Speaker 1: colors match. It's very important, But more than that, it's

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Speaker 1: like thinking about thinking about outfit as a system rather

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Speaker 1: than as a series of individual things. And they think

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Speaker 1: this is where like the way outdoor companies market is

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Speaker 1: really bad. They'll be like, oh, yeah, this jacket is

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Speaker 1: bad ass, and it's warm, and it's waterproof and it's

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Speaker 1: wind proof and it's also breathable, and like that's you

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Speaker 1: probably would be much better off with three cheaper jackets

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Speaker 1: in one very very expensive jacket. Interesting specifically, I guess

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people come a cropper when

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Speaker 1: their very single jacket gets wet, right, and then you're

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Speaker 1: either got one layer or you commit to wearing a

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Speaker 1: wet jacket. So we're going to talk about the different

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Speaker 1: parts of your clothing system, what you should look for

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Speaker 1: and why you should pick certain things. I'll try and

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Speaker 1: recommend things that are cheap as well, because I know

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Speaker 1: that money is hard to come by and the world

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Speaker 1: seems to be constantly trying to extract money from us.

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Speaker 1: So this is based on do you know who Mark

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Speaker 1: Twite is? Sreen?

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Speaker 10: No, I don't know who Mark Twite is. But I'm

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Speaker 10: looking at the same document you are, and I read

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Speaker 10: his name maybe six times, and every time it was

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Speaker 10: Mark Twain, and I was so confused.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's Mark legendary mountaineer. Mark Twain is equally

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Speaker 1: good for you know, if you're going on a boat

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Speaker 1: down the Mississippi River or climbing a mountain exactly.

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Speaker 10: But no, I don't know who mister twit is.

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Speaker 1: Mister twice. It's a famous mountaineer. He's good at climbing mountains.

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Speaker 10: Oh that's cool. That's cool to be famous for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Yeah, a boy can dream, like maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe in another life I'll not have to podcast, not

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Speaker 1: just be able to raise fluffy animals and climb climbing

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Speaker 1: a mountain sheep. Yeah, that is the dream, you know.

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Speaker 1: Every year, every time I don't want to sit down

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Speaker 1: and write my book and think about the amount of

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Speaker 1: livestock I could possibly purchase it, but lots of lots

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Speaker 1: of books. Dream Yeah, well one day talking me sheep,

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Speaker 1: Actually let's talk about basse layers because one of the

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Speaker 1: things they could be made out of, showing is wool

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Speaker 1: from sheep.

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Speaker 10: Nice, that was good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I am a professional podcast guy. So

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Speaker 1: you basically there's the thing unx your skin right, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people I think this is where like

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Speaker 1: people say, have you heard the phrase cotton kills? No? No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've not heard that.

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Speaker 10: Okay, I have not heard that. I mean I'm glad

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Speaker 10: you're making an episode about this, cause like most of

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Speaker 10: the things I've learned about keeping warm have just been

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Speaker 10: like things i've heard, you know what I mean. I've

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Speaker 10: never like researched what actually will help me or what

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Speaker 10: will help other people, because I think like even like

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Speaker 10: when you provide when you are going to provide or

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Speaker 10: like cheaper options, that's a good thing to like donate

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Speaker 10: to people too, now you know what will actually help

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Speaker 10: them versus like something else.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, totally, like I know, like for a lot

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Speaker 1: of un housed people, for instance, like you'll get donated

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Speaker 1: a lot of crappy cotton t shirts. But those are terrible, right,

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01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: the little gaps in the cotton, they get wet and

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: they stay wet, and it is much worse to be

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Speaker 1: cold and wet than it is just to be cold. Right,

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Speaker 1: And these the whole system of clothing designed by Mark Twhite,

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Speaker 1: Mark Twain's brother Mark White. The idea is not to

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Speaker 1: keep you dry. The idea is to let you dry

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Speaker 1: off quickly. Right, So you can get wet, you can sweat,

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Speaker 1: but it's much more preferential to be able to dry

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Speaker 1: off quickly. And that's all cotton doesn't do. And so

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Speaker 1: that's why cotton is considered to be like your worst

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01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: choice here. So if your base layer, you want to

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Speaker 1: go with the two options, I guess well, it's it's

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Speaker 1: like many things. It's a continuum, not a binary. And

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Speaker 1: so you've got wool on one end and you've got

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Speaker 1: synthetic on the other end. Wool is really nice because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't smell right, like if you have like athletic clothing.

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01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: Synthetic can get really stinky if you wear it for

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01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: a few days, it only gets stink here. Wool tends

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: to be much better for that. It also doesn't catch fire.

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Speaker 1: And melt to you, which if that's important in your

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Speaker 1: line of work, then then that's wool is naturally fire retardant.

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Speaker 1: Really where it's like, yeah, yeah, does everyone know this?

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Speaker 1: Clearly no, charene, but.

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Speaker 10: Sheep are sheep fire proof?

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think obviously high enough temperature would

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: still be fatal for them. But yeah yeah, yeah yeah,

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01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: when we don't respect the.

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Speaker 10: Sheep enough, very powerful ability.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. There's not even a sheep pokemon that could

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01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: like Pokemon.

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 10: As you said that, I was like, what a good defense?

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone send me a picture of

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: a sheep Pokemon that you've designed, and I will describe

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01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: it on the podcast. It's unfortunately not a visual medium,

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01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: but I'd still like to see your sheeps, right, so

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01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: will it's flame retarding. It's very useful in certain lines

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01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: of work. It's not so important for other people. But

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Speaker 1: I will say that, like even sitting around the campfire,

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: it is actually really shitty if your clothes melt to you.

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01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: I've had gloves melt on my hands and it was unpleasant. Wow,

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01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: that was only like a little bit. But again, I

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Speaker 1: can I can assure you that people sitting around campfires

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: do have their clothing catch on fire. This is not

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: like a thing. It's why all your tents have to

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01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: be treated with a flame retardant treatment. That's that stuff

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01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: that makes when your tent. You know, if you put

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Speaker 1: a tent away where it's wet and hot, you leave

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01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 1: it at the back of your truck, it gets really

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: sticky when you when you get out. That's a frame

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Speaker 1: retardant treatment on your tent. Oh, thenly lot about fire today.

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01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: So the problem with will though, is that you have

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Speaker 1: to treat it with care, like you don't want to

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Speaker 1: be tuble drying wool, right, and it can kind of

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01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: get misshapen. There are like hybrids, the thing called new yarn,

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Speaker 1: which I like a lot, which is like a wall

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Speaker 1: synthetic hybrid. I have lots of clus stuff made of that,

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Speaker 1: and then there are full synthetic things like a little

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Speaker 1: base layer. Here. Again this being mainly a podcast only

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: sharene can see this.

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 10: Describing a piece of clothing.

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01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: It looks like cloth, all right, We're going to be

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Speaker 1: fucked for the next hour or so.

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Speaker 10: But what am I looking at it? It's like it

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01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 10: look kind of like textured or something.

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: So it's like this, yes, yes, it's ribbed. Leave we've

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01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 1: just moved right past that. It's it's ribbed, and that's

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01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: to allow like the little bits that touch your skin

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01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: keep you warm. But then the channels allow for it

1483
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: to breathe right from monastor to move away and walk

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: away from your body.

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 10: So that's that's the synthetic hybrid or.

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01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: This is synthetic. It's spandex and polyester. It's got this

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: like it's very thin, you can see through it, but

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01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: it's also very warm, by a company called Beyond Clothing.

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01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: I would caution people again, it's having too thick if

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01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: you're planning on actually hiking or being active or like,

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01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, let's say you work in construction, you work

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01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: in agriculture. Maybe you just have a job you have

1493
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: to go to remote places. You're a doctor who has

1494
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: to treat people at remote places, or you win turbine engineer,

1495
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: or you work on the railway lines or something. You know,

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01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: if you're going to be active, having too thick of

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01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: a base layer could be really annoying because if it

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01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: heats up, that's kind of your last option. And if

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01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: it's really thick and you've tried to rely on that

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01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: for most of your warmth. Then you're going to overheat.

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: And then when you overheat, you're going to sweat a lot.

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: Or when you sweat a lot, that sweat is saying

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01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: going to soak your layer, right, and then when it

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: gets cold, you're going to be wet and cold, and

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01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: that is bad. So consider if your base layer like

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01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: a lightweight or a midlight thing, and try and get

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01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: your warmth from something else. It's whatever suggest. I really

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: like the new yarm ones. Like I said, there's one

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01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: made by Black Diamond called a Rhythm T shirt, which

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01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: I really like. I've loaded those. They are often on sale.

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: You can get them really cheap. If you're looking for

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01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: something really cheap, I would say to just avoid cotton,

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01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: so you can look for things which are polyester or nylon,

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: and those are going to be a lot better than

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: just your cotton T shirt. They are going to smell,

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01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: they're going to get pretty stinky, but you can often

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01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: find them for around the same price. Right, and if

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01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: it's very cold, you may want basically your legs as well.

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: Good ones for those are hard to get cheap. I

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01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: like ones that zip all the way off, like like

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01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: like a you know, like like Chipendale style. Yeah, but

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01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: you want zips all the way down the side, Oh, zippers,

1523
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: so they're up pull on? No, yeah, because then you

1524
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: have to take your boots off.

1525
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 10: Right, So if you're oh, well you think of everything.

1526
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: Drop your trousers, put those on. Because taking your boots

1527
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: off in the snow and then hopping around.

1528
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 10: No, I mean it sounds very impractical. So that's cool

1529
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 10: they thought of that. That's very smart.

1530
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a nice Uh, it's a nice Yeah.

1531
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: Technology has to give us many things. There's a company

1532
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: called Couu who's chiefly hunting company, but they make a

1533
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: really nice like side zip leg based layer, which I

1534
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: think I would recommend for a lot of people if

1535
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: it's really cold where you are with I guess trousers

1536
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: generally they're a lot less complicated than upper layers, but

1537
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: the things you want in the cold really are again

1538
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 1: something that's not going to like cause you to sweat

1539
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: a lot, So I wouldn't suggest everyone like going around

1540
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: in waterproof sure others. I really like ones that have vents,

1541
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: like mechanical vents so you can open up so you

1542
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: can cool off these guys, right, Like the pockets are

1543
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: mesh so if you open the pocket, not only can

1544
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: you get your accessories out that you can also like

1545
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: vent off the heat that way and so that way

1546
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: you don't soak them out with sweat. Right, there's a

1547
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: company called Beyond who makes every possible weight and size

1548
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: of trouser. I really like their stuff. I use this

1549
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: stuff a lot. You can get knee pad pockets as well,

1550
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: which are super useful, not only if you're like like

1551
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: you see them in military gear a lot, but if

1552
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: you're working, saying, construction or carpentry or something like that,

1553
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: you have to kneel a lot. It's really nice table

1554
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: on kneepad. So those get a recommendation for that. For

1555
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: a cheap one. The pro to make a parent called

1556
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: the stretch zion, which I think is really nice. Climb

1557
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: in them all the time. They can often be found

1558
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: really cheap. Your next thing is your active insulation. So

1559
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: that's you need to warm yourself when you're active. Right,

1560
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: So there's two types of insulation. The system is active

1561
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: and static. One is for when you're moving and the

1562
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,759
Speaker 1: other is for where you're stationary. And your active insulation

1563
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: is people used to call this a mid layer, but

1564
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: that was back when people wore like wool jumpers, and

1565
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: you kind of had to keep it covered from the

1566
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: world or it will get wet and stretched out and

1567
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: very very heavy. But sometimes this will actually be outer layer,

1568
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: so I don't think mid layers is a great term.

1569
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: That's what they used to call it. People used to

1570
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: use fleeces a lot. Are fine, but again they can

1571
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: get very very heavy if they get wet. Some of

1572
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: them don't breathe very well, and they can sort of

1573
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: very quickly become too hot of your exercising, and they're

1574
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: not very wind proof. They don't block the wind at all.

1575
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: So much better choice is something called a grid fleece,

1576
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: so like the base layer is talking to you about,

1577
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: it has like a little grid pattern that allows for

1578
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: moisture and air to move away from your body, so

1579
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: like you're less likely to overheat. There's a really cool

1580
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: fabric called Polotech Alpha, which you should look for rather

1581
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: than like looking for a specific item. If you look

1582
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: for Polartech alpha or Polotech Alpha direct, then you can

1583
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 1: scat around for stuff that's some sale and find something

1584
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: that's really nice. It kind of looks a bit fleecy,

1585
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: but it's also a grid pattern. It's really warm and

1586
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: it's very small. I have a few things that are

1587
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: like made of that. I have one from a moot

1588
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: called the Alpha sixty. So there are different weights, right,

1589
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: sixty ninety one twenty sixty is the least. I think

1590
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: ninety it's grams for square meter, But ninety grams for

1591
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: square meter is pretty much a good mid zone for

1592
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: almost everyone. So that's what to look for in those

1593
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a cheap midless or a cheap

1594
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: way to stay warm while you're moving around. The US

1595
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: military has this thing called a waffle top because inside

1596
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: of it looks like a waffle right, I guess Grid was.

1597
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: You know they like to give things baby names in

1598
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: the US Army. O Luk, Suren's got one? Yeah like that. Yeah,

1599
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: I love a waffle top. I'm always pulled all the time,

1600
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: so I just I'm also a cold person. Yeah, I

1601
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: do love a waffletop.

1602
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1603
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, those waffle ups, you can get them super

1604
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: cheap everywhere online. I would caution people against getting it

1605
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 1: can be easy to find, like a thing where it's

1606
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: got like a waffle back air and a soft shell

1607
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: front and it's like your windshell, your rain shell. But

1608
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: those are really warm, and they're really big and bulky,

1609
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: and it's quite hard to wear them if you're actually

1610
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: moving with any sort of intention. So that's where you

1611
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: want to keep your things separate, so you can choose

1612
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: choose what, like exactly how warm you are, rather than

1613
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: being forced to be like a certain level of warm.

1614
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: Talking of forcing people to do things, cherene, Wow, it's

1615
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: time for us to force them to listen to some adverts.

1616
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 12: Let's do it.

1617
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: We're back, so Charene's voice, and we are talking now

1618
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: about the other part of keeping yourself warm, which is

1619
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: static insulation. This is the big warm jacket. Everyone likes

1620
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: your happy jacket, the one that makes the cold go away. Right.

1621
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: The deal here is that like a big puffy jacket

1622
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: is pretty crappy to wear. Again, if you're moving with

1623
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: any intention, right, like, unless it's seriously like arctic cold,

1624
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: then it's hard to hike or climb in a big

1625
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: puffy jacket. So what this guy is for is for

1626
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: when you stop moving. So if you're hiking, that would

1627
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: mean when you stop to regroup, or you stop to

1628
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: have a snack or to put your camp together or whatever.

1629
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: It's good to have like a really big jacket that

1630
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 1: is warm that you can toss on immediately. Putting clothes

1631
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: on once you are cold is generally not the deal.

1632
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: The deal that is putting them on so you don't

1633
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: get cold, because all you're doing with all these layers, right,

1634
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: is trapping air against your body that is warm. That's

1635
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: what the little the grid parts in the grid fleece do,

1636
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: and that's what all the little feathers in the down

1637
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: jacket do, right. They're just trapping pockets of air that

1638
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: you heat up. So if you wait till you're really cold,

1639
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: it's going to take you a lot longer to get

1640
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: to get warm. The thing to do is once when

1641
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: you're moving you're nice and warm, you stop, you're going

1642
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: to get cold. So if you toss on that jacket

1643
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: then you can stay cold. I say warm down jackets

1644
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: are really complicated. If there are a couple of issues

1645
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: with like cheap down jackets that make them probably best avoided.

1646
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 1: One is that if you're not using ethically sourced down,

1647
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: that the industry can be pretty abusive. Right that down

1648
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: is comprised of feathers that come from ducks and geese.

1649
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: It's not very nice to ducks and geese to kill

1650
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: them and steal their feathers. And if you're going to

1651
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: do it at all, if that's something that you choose

1652
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 1: to do, you should at least try and find ethically

1653
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 1: sourced down. In my opinion. The other thing is that down,

1654
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: natural down, when it gets wet, it clumps up and

1655
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't work anymore. It doesn't insulate you, right, no,

1656
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: like nicer downs modern more like modern downs are treated

1657
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: with water repellent coating, so they don't tend to do

1658
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: that as much. But the other thing was down is

1659
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: like like a lot of numbers get thrown at you

1660
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: when you're looking at a down jacket, Like if you

1661
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: if you look at the money internet as all kinds

1662
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: of information, some of that stuff is bullshit. The things

1663
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: that are important are the fill power and the fill weight.

1664
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 1: The feel power is it tells you how many cubic

1665
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: inches of loft one ounce of that down will fill.

1666
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: So a higher number is better, right, a higher number

1667
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: is more puffy. And then your feel weight tells you

1668
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: how much of that down is used in a jacket.

1669
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: So a higher fill power jacket with a lower let's say,

1670
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: a four hundred four power jacket with sixty grams of

1671
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: feel weight would be as warm as an eight hundred

1672
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: fold power jacket with thirty grams of feel weight. So

1673
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: once you get your phil power and your feel weight,

1674
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: then you get a pretty good idea of how warm

1675
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: a jacket is going to be. So the other alternative

1676
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: to natural down is synthetic down.

1677
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 7: Right.

1678
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Where that stands out is like it can get wet

1679
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: and you can generally like baby it a bit less,

1680
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: but some pack down as well, and it is tend

1681
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: to be heavier and you don't get feel power, but

1682
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: you do get feel weight. So if you're the jacket

1683
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: I use is synthetic because like I like to shovel

1684
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: in my bag and sometimes it's wet or like sometimes

1685
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: it gets a bit wet, right, I just I don't

1686
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: like to have to like try and baby it so much.

1687
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: I also, for ethical reasons, prefer that. There's a company

1688
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: called Prima Loft p r I m A. They make

1689
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: synthetic insulation sort of very good and they say make

1690
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: some from post consume recycled plastics and they have something

1691
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 1: that to buy degradeable as well, So I really like cool. Yeah,

1692
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: it's cool, right, Like I saw something a while ago

1693
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: and how ducks and geese are treated forel like down

1694
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: and it may be very I was like.

1695
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 10: I didn't really want to ask because I don't really

1696
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 10: need to know more than I already do because I

1697
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 10: don't buy that stuff anyway. But do they are there

1698
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 10: birds that die exclusively for their feathers or at least

1699
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,919
Speaker 10: do they die for meat and their feathers?

1700
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I think they die exclusively. I'm sure they are eaten,

1701
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: but they are raised like the commercial product is the

1702
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: feathers basically because they kill them much younger. Yeah, it's shitty.

1703
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: There are like ethically sourced downs, which I think if

1704
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a consumer of animal products, For

1705
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the most part, I avoid than most of my wall

1706
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: stuff I got before I vegan. But I think if

1707
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: you're picking between wall and down, I think the down

1708
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: industry is it's hard to be mean to sheep in

1709
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: a way that people are mean to a poultry, because

1710
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: sheep just on't having it. They'll die.

1711
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 10: Also, you're not like shearing wool is different than plucking feathers.

1712
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah then killing an animal to Yeah, there's

1713
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: a distinct thing going on there. So yeah, I prefer

1714
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: not to have I have a few down jackets that

1715
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, but I keep them baby and look after,

1716
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: but for the most part I use the Generally, these

1717
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 1: are called ballet parkers, the sort of static insulation layer

1718
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: because when you're balaying, when you're climbing, right, you don't

1719
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: put them off for climbing, but then when when you're

1720
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: on ballet, you're stationary, so you put them on. And

1721
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a hood on these two, right,

1722
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be like, oh, I've got

1723
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: to get my beanie out, get my jacket on. You

1724
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: want to just be able to put your one big

1725
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: warm jacket on and then you're warm.

1726
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 10: So is it true that you can lose like heat

1727
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 10: from your head and you're or like I've always heard

1728
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 10: that like if you wear a beanie you can stay

1729
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 10: warm better. Is that not true?

1730
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can lose heat from your head

1731
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: and so it's a part of your body.

1732
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 10: I mean, okay, I know technically that makes sense. Yeah,

1733
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 10: but yeah, it's like you lose mom thing to say

1734
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 10: to their kids where it's just like cover your head,

1735
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 10: don't go out when your hair as.

1736
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: We Yeah, you can lose heat from any sort of

1737
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: exposed surface. Area right and insulated part of your body.

1738
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people overestimate their role played by your head.

1739
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, people say you lose ninety percent of

1740
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: your heat from your head. This isn't true, right, This

1741
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: is why we don't climb mounta into like fur hats

1742
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: and speedos. Like you, you do want to cover your

1743
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: head when it's cold, and it can make a big difference,

1744
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: especially like your ears. You know, where the circulation is

1745
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: close to the skin, they can get cold your nose right,

1746
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: you can get frost nip your nose and in your ears.

1747
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: So like you do want to cover those things having

1748
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: like a kafa or snowed is that what it's called.

1749
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 10: I don't know. Okay, but that's enough.

1750
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, a buff is a trade name a buff

1751
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: globle thunder.

1752
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 10: Yeah is a great suggestion. Good job?

1753
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1754
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a kafa that I've worn up and

1755
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: down many mountains. It's really nice because if you tuck

1756
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: it into the neck of your jacket kind of blocks

1757
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: or the wind gaps, and then it's already warm because

1758
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: it's it's been inside there. So when you go from

1759
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: jacket to sleeping bag, you just wrap that guy around

1760
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: your shoulders and then it's you're warm. Multi purpose I love.

1761
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: And also if you have a kafia, you can use

1762
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 1: it to prefilter water, right because you want to get

1763
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: rid of the turbidity. So like if you're if you're

1764
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: filtering from buddy water, you can put your kafa over

1765
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: the lid of your bottom and then rub a b

1766
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 1: down scoop. Yeah, yeah, many used to make a sling

1767
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: out of it. I won't use it to hold gauze

1768
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: on a leg wound that I had. Well, people lived

1769
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: a wife, yeah, many of my krofias lived a life.

1770
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: Just I'm just here for the ride. So that's your

1771
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: your down jack if you do want like a down

1772
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: animal down duck down jacket, the catalone ones are really

1773
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: good for the money. The Cathline is a French sports

1774
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: It's like French ARII or European ari It's huge in Europe,

1775
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: not so big in America. But there's stuffs excellent value. Also,

1776
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,799
Speaker 1: if you want to get really dorky about down jackets

1777
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: and warm jackets. The ultra light subreddit a place where

1778
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: definitely go sometimes more times than I should, is you

1779
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: can find like someone has made a spread cheet ranking

1780
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: like the fill, power, fill weight, and price of different

1781
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: down jackets. So if you want to get into it,

1782
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: you can get really into it there. You can spend

1783
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot of your life on that subreddit if you

1784
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: want to. So the next layer, and it kind of

1785
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: plays into the the two insulation things. It's your wind layer.

1786
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: So a lot of the way we experience cold as

1787
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: humans is through wind, right, because the way that's why

1788
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 1: we have the concept of wind chill, right, or the

1789
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: air rushing past you, cause you a lot more than

1790
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: that same temperature without the air rushing past you. And

1791
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,560
Speaker 1: this is often how we experience cold and the outdoors

1792
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 1: especially right. So having something like active insulation is great,

1793
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: but often, like that alpha fabric for instances you can

1794
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: see through it. It can be very warm, but it

1795
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything to block the wind. And that's sort

1796
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: of by design, right, because it's allowing vapor to move out,

1797
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: which is what you want. But you do sometimes espectly

1798
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: in windy conditions, need a layer to block the wind.

1799
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: That's your wind layer. It also helps a lot in

1800
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: not trashing your expensive insulation layers, like a very nice

1801
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:23,719
Speaker 1: down jacket will sometimes have a very low The Denny

1802
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: account is like the thickness of the fabric. So a

1803
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: nice down jacket will still can often have a low

1804
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: Denny account. It's not really designed to be like it's

1805
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: not like recently, I've been out in cucumber building shelters

1806
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: for people, right, so I'm constantly carrying lumber and you know,

1807
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: using tools and cutting stuff. And if you wear your fancy,

1808
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: expensive super light down jacket, you're going to shred it

1809
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 1: and then you're going to end up with little patches

1810
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: of duct tape all over it. And now you're expensive

1811
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: down jacket. It's not as warm as it used to be. Yeah,

1812
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: sad time for you. So you can avoid this by

1813
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 1: either just not wearing it for that or covering it

1814
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: with a wind layer, which also helps because even those

1815
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 1: down jackets often like the wind can get right through them,

1816
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: So a wind layer is a really nice option for

1817
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: a number of those reasons. Also, you can often just

1818
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: worry above your base layer and even down to pretty

1819
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: cold when you're moving trail running like people trail run

1820
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll have already know this, but if you're hiking,

1821
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: your trail running, if you're climbing, a wind layer can

1822
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: really like increase the range of temperatures which you can

1823
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: work in without getting too cold. And like a very

1824
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 1: small mind is like the size of maybe a tennis

1825
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: ball when I pack it down, but it makes you

1826
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: a lot warmer. You don't want one that blocks all

1827
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: of the wind because then you won't be able to

1828
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: it won't be breathable, right, You want something that's a

1829
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 1: little bit breathable. The one I have, I looked up

1830
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: the one I like. It's called a mouth in hardware

1831
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: core air shell, but core as spelled with a K.

1832
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: How you know it's yeah, you got to you got

1833
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: to get it in, got to get it in there

1834
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: somewhere and then wear it is but like you know,

1835
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 1: like like wearing clothes and so double puns on their spellings.

1836
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: It's made of the stuff called pertext quantum are, which

1837
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: is really cool. It feels like silky but it's a

1838
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: synthetic fabric and it's really nice, and it's very small.

1839
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 1: It's very light and like you could put it in

1840
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and you had, like if you're wearing like cargo trousers,

1841
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, you can put it in the side pocket

1842
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: or cargo short if you're that kind of person. So

1843
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: those if you're looking for a cheaper thing to block

1844
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,839
Speaker 1: the wind, Like you can find pretty cheap wind cheaters

1845
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,919
Speaker 1: right out there. You don't want something that's very plastic

1846
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: y and then kind of clammy you're going to sweat

1847
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,879
Speaker 1: up in. You can get surplus British wind proof smocks

1848
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: that are really nice. I use those all the time

1849
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:55,679
Speaker 1: when I'm working outside because uploads of pockets. They're nylon

1850
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 1: cotton blends, so they're not all cotton, and they they're

1851
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: very like robust. You know, they're not going to wear,

1852
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: wear down or like get destroyed if you're carrying lumber

1853
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 1: or rock climbing, right, if you're interclimbing, like a lot

1854
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: of this stuff, will you need something with a thicker

1855
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: face fabric otherwise you're going to destroy it when you're climbing,

1856
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 1: especially if you're climbing somewhere like Joshua Tree, where like

1857
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: the rock is like sandpaper and it eats your clothing.

1858
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 1: The final layer is your waterproof, right, It's a final one,

1859
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: because like you want to avoid wearing your waterproof really,

1860
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: like I think far too many people where like they

1861
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: rely on waterproof coats when it's not raining enough to

1862
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: need one. The problem with waterproofs is if rain can't

1863
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: come in, moisture can't really come out. Even fabrics like

1864
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 1: gortex per text and that they say that they're breathable,

1865
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: but I think anybody who's tried to exercise hard in

1866
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 1: a gortex jacket will tell you that they're not. Like,

1867
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: if you're hiking with a group and you'll put on

1868
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 1: your gorate, then you need to move slower because you're

1869
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: going to overheat, and then you're going to get wet

1870
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: from the inside because you're sweating. Just not what you want.

1871
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: So waterproof is important because when it's really wet and

1872
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: you're outside, you don't want to get soaked, right, But

1873
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 1: it's also not something you should be wearing most of

1874
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: the time. What you want to look for in a

1875
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: waterproof Again, there are like statistics numbers. One of them

1876
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 1: is the it's the pressure resistance of the fabric, like

1877
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: it's expressed in the as the height of a water

1878
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: column in millimeters until it can push through the water

1879
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: resistance of the fabric. Does that make sense?

1880
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 10: No, not at all, Thank you.

1881
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: For bet honesty. That's good. If you imagine like that,

1882
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: like I have a tube, right, it's a linear tube

1883
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 1: like a cylinder, and then I put it on my

1884
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 1: waterproof fabric, right, I put my waterproof fabric at the

1885
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 1: bottom of the tube, and then I put one milimeters

1886
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: of water. It doesn't do anything. Two mil three meals

1887
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: for adding until until it pushes through the fabric.

1888
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 10: So that's that's called like a pressure.

1889
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: What do you go, Yeah, that's a pressure. It's sometimes

1890
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: expressed in pounds per square inch as well.

1891
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 10: Okay, cool.

1892
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: It's useful if you're like skiing or snowboarding, like safety

1893
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 1: of your skiing or snowboarding badly and you're going to

1894
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time like sat in your ass then,

1895
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: or you know, otherwise working in snow, like kneeling in snow.

1896
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 1: That's very handy. There's also a statistic which is probably

1897
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: more useful. It's the millimeters of rain in twenty four

1898
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: hours before it like wets out and becomes permeable. So

1899
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: if you live somewhere really wet, like Belgium or the UK,

1900
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: Belgium just sticks out in my head as a place

1901
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: where it rained all the time, but maybe that's just

1902
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 1: my bitterness. You're looking for like something in the twenty

1903
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: thousand range. That's a jacket that you can pretty much

1904
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,799
Speaker 1: wear all day in the wet and be fine. Gortex

1905
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: Pro Fabric. I know it's twenty eight thousand, so that's

1906
01:39:55,400 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: kind of your gold standard, but anything over twenty coupan

1907
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,719
Speaker 1: it's fine. And the breatheability is the last one moisture

1908
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: vapor transfer rate, and again anything over twenty thousand is good.

1909
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: The other thing to look for in a waterproof is

1910
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: taped seams and you know the bits where it stitched together.

1911
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: If there isn't tape behind those seams, then water can

1912
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 1: get in through that stitching. And like I've seen people

1913
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: get very expensive jackets which in explicably don't have tape seams.

1914
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: I think it's like maybe a fashion jacket or something,

1915
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: but I have like wet like down every seam, like

1916
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: they take off their jacket.

1917
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 10: You with a group of like people just that are

1918
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,799
Speaker 10: wearing these kinds of clothing and just like you judging

1919
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 10: them quietly.

1920
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: That's me every day, Serene, every day when you see me,

1921
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm judging people for their outdoor clothing. It just it

1922
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: just happens inside my head. It's my inside voice. I'm

1923
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 1: happy that people are outside, and I just want them

1924
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: to have a comfortable, enjoyable experience.

1925
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 10: That's a good like thing to focus on if you

1926
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 10: want to make sure it's like not a fashion jacket

1927
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 10: versus like utilitary and whatever. You know, like is it

1928
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 10: going to actually be helpful or are you just gonna

1929
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 10: look cool?

1930
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: Or is it going to do both? Yeah, you can

1931
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: do both, Like you should feel good in what you're wearing,

1932
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: and wear things that make you feel happy about yourself

1933
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 1: and your body. And however you want to appear is fine.

1934
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I don't give a fuck, just want you to

1935
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: be comfortable and safe.

1936
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 10: But he will judge you.

1937
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: That won't judge you. I would judge you if you're

1938
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: doing something that might put you in danger or someone

1939
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: more accually, like you can put yourself in danger in it,

1940
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: and I don't care. Like, if you want a free solo,

1941
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: fucking have it, but don't put other people in danger

1942
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: without their consent. I guess which you're doing if you

1943
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:43,719
Speaker 1: go outside, because someone has to come get you if

1944
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 1: you get in trouble out there, and that's not a

1945
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: risk free endeavor. Right, returning from my judgmental character to

1946
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: waterproof jackets, you know, tue, you know what else? I

1947
01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 1: am judging how my voice sounds. I'm remaining a loof

1948
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: from judgment. I would never but but I am judging

1949
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: your products and services and support this show, and I'm

1950
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: judging them poorly because gold is not a good way

1951
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 1: to spend your money.

1952
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 10: But we still love our jobs.

1953
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: We do love our jobs, Yeah, we do. I do

1954
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 1: enjoy my job. I like my job. I just I

1955
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: want you to have nice jackets and not Rounald Reagan

1956
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 1: commemorative coins. So here's some adverts. We're back, and yeah,

1957
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit more about waterprop jackets.

1958
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: I think it's important. The other thing you want to

1959
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: look for, right, So your your tape seems are good.

1960
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: And then I like to have mechanical venting, which.

1961
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 10: Is yeah you mentioned that earlier. What does that mean?

1962
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 1: So this is these vents that I can open where

1963
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: as opposed to venting through the fabric, I want to

1964
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: vent through a zip that I can open up. Right, So,

1965
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: like I'm wearing a puffy jacket right now, that's a

1966
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: mechanical vent, right. Why am I saying that jacket? Charene

1967
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 1: can see me, No one else can. It's like the

1968
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: sixth sense. I'm a dead person and Scharen is the

1969
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: only person who can see me that.

1970
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 10: Is, can I just get that straight? So just unzipping

1971
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 10: your jacket counts as mechanical venting.

1972
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like if you have a nice waterproof jacket,

1973
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: it will have pit zips.

1974
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 10: Okay, got it? Just what a fancy weight just to

1975
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 10: say unzipping some.

1976
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah, okay, well because you but you want

1977
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 1: like this, This is not right If I unzip and

1978
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:45,879
Speaker 1: it's a pocket inside, that's not mechanical venting because zipped.

1979
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 10: A chest pocket. For those listening, everyone.

1980
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the podcast. But I do stuff, and

1981
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Charene tells you what I do. Yes, pockets are not

1982
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: mechanical vents. Right, but you went away. So you've got

1983
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: pit zips. Some of them will have chest zips ways

1984
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:06,879
Speaker 1: to force that hot air out and allow breathe ability

1985
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 1: to happen. Right, So I like that in raine jackets.

1986
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: And then I also like a hood right because it's

1987
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: having a wet head isn't fun. So this is this one.

1988
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 1: I liked taber hood and the billet Parker. I like

1989
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 1: to havebhood sometimes the wind jacket. I like taberhood. If

1990
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you're doing climbing and you're doing I never really wear

1991
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: a hood when I'm cycling, but other helmet actively if

1992
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: you're caving or canyoneering, might be a good idea to

1993
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: check the hood situation with the helmet that you wear

1994
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: for that activity. So like for climbing, you know, you

1995
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: lots of people will say they have a helmet compatible hood,

1996
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,719
Speaker 1: but I don't know what helmet those people are wearing

1997
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: because they don't fit over like even a pretty low

1998
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 1: profile climbing helmet. So if you know, if you can

1999
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: go to your loco outdoor shop, take take a helmet,

2000
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't be afraid of trying it on

2001
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: with the helmet on. And you want these all really

2002
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 1: to be cut to allow you to move right. Like

2003
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 1: a lot of modern outdoor gear. It looks really nice

2004
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: like when you're going about town, but it's cut kind

2005
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,879
Speaker 1: of too tight in the well, it looks very trendy.

2006
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: It can inhibit your movement right, and so you want

2007
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 1: to be aware of that. You may have to size up.

2008
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: And it's not because you've got bigger, it's because close

2009
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:18,879
Speaker 1: I've got smaller.

2010
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 10: Also, if you're layering, that would make sense anyway.

2011
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, definitely, And you want to have your water

2012
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: proof cut. So it can go over your stuff, right,

2013
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: because if it rains, you just want to chuck that

2014
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: thing on. And likewise, you want to have that big

2015
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: ballet Parker cut so that it can fit over your

2016
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 1: other layers, right, because again you want to be able

2017
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 1: to chuck it on as soon as you stop. And

2018
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: your windproof jacket too, so you can use it to

2019
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 1: protect your more expensive you can even I know people

2020
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: who do the windproof jacket over the gortex just to

2021
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: protect it. Right. I have two gortexes that like. I

2022
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: have one that's very small and very thin, and that

2023
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: I like, as an emergency, give it if I don't

2024
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 1: expect it to rain or expect for it. But I'm

2025
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: going on a week long trip. I'm not gonna, you know,

2026
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: want to be completely fucked if it rains. So I

2027
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: bring a little one. It's called the Mountain Hardware Minimizer,

2028
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: and kind of the name gives away, but it's just

2029
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 1: very small. It's made of gortex pac light, which is

2030
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: like the lower tier of acceptable gortex. It's fine, you know,

2031
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Like I go outside a lot and I use it

2032
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's fine. It doesn't breathe quite as well, but

2033
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: you can again overcome that rete with some with them

2034
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: zips that don't zip, and then if it's going to

2035
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 1: be red all day, I have a jacket that's a

2036
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: bit heavier, thicker, packs bigger, But the one I have

2037
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,640
Speaker 1: is from a hunting company called four Low lo h.

2038
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 1: It's really nice. Often for some reason, hunting stuff in

2039
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: recent years has got a lot better, and outdoor stuff

2040
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of has used to Hunting stuff used to be shitty,

2041
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of overtaken it for some reason.

2042
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's also nice to have stuff that isn't

2043
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: bright orange and it isn't like a theory of why

2044
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 1: that is because people have a metrics shit ton of

2045
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 1: money and wealthy people have got into backcountry hunting because

2046
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: they want to have a big dead thing. But these

2047
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: are not people who maybe some people, some people are

2048
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 1: sending it really fucking hard doing hunting and doing like

2049
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: ten twelve day hunts, and they're hardcore outdoors people as well,

2050
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and they're very wealthy people. They like to be uncomfortable

2051
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: and they will spend a lot of money on expensive jackets.

2052
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: That's my theory. Yeah, thanks for coming to my ted talk.

2053
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Those are the two things that you really want with

2054
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 1: any waterproof, you do need to take care of them.

2055
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: I think with gor Tex everyone should be aware of

2056
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: it has what are called forever plastics in it, and

2057
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 1: they are really not good for the environment. And not

2058
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: only are they not good for the environment when it's made.

2059
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: And this isn't just Gortex, right, Gortex is a brand.

2060
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 1: They make fabrics, and I'm not just saying it's with

2061
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: all those those kinds of multi layer lament at waterproofs.

2062
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 1: And it's not just when they're made, it's also when

2063
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: water sluffs off them, right, Like so when it rains

2064
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: on you and then that the rain you know, the

2065
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 1: rain drop goes into the three and the stream goes

2066
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 1: into the river, and the river goes into the ocean,

2067
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 1: that little forever plastics are still there, and that's not good.

2068
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: I would imagine, as with many things, it's more not

2069
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: good than we know right now. So some brands like

2070
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 1: fol Ravn won't use Gortex and this stuff for that reason.

2071
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 1: They don't have any forever plastics. Instead they use waxes.

2072
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,560
Speaker 1: I think people are kind of maybe have forgotten or

2073
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: like you don't see as much of it as you

2074
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 1: used to. But wax jackets are really good. If it's

2075
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 1: going to rain all day. If you're not so concerned

2076
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,679
Speaker 1: about weight, you can get like a waxed cotton jacket

2077
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: or waxed canvas jacket like car Heart makes up right

2078
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: or fils and have a nice Filson jacket that they

2079
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 1: were a lot and it's way less fragile, but it

2080
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: is much heavier, but it's also better for the planet.

2081
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: So that's something. If you do have a gortex jacket,

2082
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 1: like it's not something that I feel good like having

2083
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 1: five gortext jackets, you know, and like buying new ones

2084
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: every year, like you should try and take care of them.

2085
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: And there's a product called nick Wax which is really good.

2086
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:09,720
Speaker 1: You should use nick Wax stuff when you're wa washing

2087
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 1: any of your outdoor if you're washing down, you should

2088
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: use nick Wax down wash or you're really fuck up

2089
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 1: your expensive down and jacket. So I think that's a

2090
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,679
Speaker 1: good thing. And then yeah, wax, Like consider how often

2091
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 1: you're really out in an absolute downpour and if that's

2092
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: not very often, like maybe you're okay with a wind

2093
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: layer or like just waxing the shoulders of your like

2094
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 1: have a cotton jacket behind me that I just wax

2095
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 1: the shoulders off, but like it's like a smock with

2096
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: lots of pockets and I just put wax. I bought

2097
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: some Greenland wax, which is which is a fear ratheran thing,

2098
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 1: and wax the shoulders so the shoulders are impermeable to water.

2099
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 10: Does it look different like the Does it look like shiny?

2100
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks a little bit shiny, but like it's

2101
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,600
Speaker 1: not bad. And if you do it like better than me,

2102
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: then then it won't look as shiny. But can you

2103
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: can I can see that. No, it's not bad, it's

2104
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: not it's kind of fun that maybe other people do

2105
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: other things for fun, but I kind of like it.

2106
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: You get a hair dryer and you grab the wax

2107
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: on and then you melt it in with the haair dryer.

2108
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: That's what I do on Saturday nights. Insight into my life.

2109
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: So the last thing that I wanted to talk about

2110
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: was extremities. Right, I have rainos where like oh really

2111
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 1: yeah really rainos?

2112
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 10: Adone else that has it? Noah, like yellow right now?

2113
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 10: I mean not yellow if I press them get yellow,

2114
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 10: but like it's well, my feet and hands are always

2115
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 10: cold all the time.

2116
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, same, And it's miserable. I hate having

2117
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 1: cold hands.

2118
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 10: Literally, look at this. Wait, I just bought these recently.

2119
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 10: These are electric hand warbers. Oh wow, trouble and I

2120
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 10: keep them now. I just walk around with these all

2121
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 10: the time.

2122
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 6: It's great.

2123
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is nice to have warm hands. And if

2124
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: you too, if you're a fellow hands cold, there there

2125
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 1: are some things you can do. I think sometimes people

2126
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 1: wear really thick gloves that stop the hands moving and

2127
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:12,919
Speaker 1: that doesn't really increase circulation, or they'll have cold wrists

2128
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: and then it's kind of there's like a temperature. You

2129
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,839
Speaker 1: know that blood's getting cold or it's in your hands.

2130
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: So I found like having a base layer or a midle,

2131
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: a active insulation layer with thumb loops really helps. Then

2132
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 1: thumb loops make sure that the sleeve goes all the

2133
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 1: way into the glove. And I would encourage you, rather

2134
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: than wearing one big ass pair of gloves, to have

2135
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: like a glove. I know this sounds really dorky, but

2136
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: like a glove system. So like a thin lacy glove

2137
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 1: and then a shell glove which is either waterproof or

2138
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: wind proof, and then if you want to, you can

2139
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:50,560
Speaker 1: then stack that with a mitten on top of that right. Yeah,

2140
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: I love emittletons are so cute. Yeah, get your person

2141
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: who sews in your life to say your parentmittans. Have

2142
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: them join with a little strings so you can run

2143
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: that through the sleeves of your jacket. You don't lose them.

2144
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:05,800
Speaker 1: I used to have those. Yeah, me too.

2145
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 10: I feel like or maybe I just imagined having one.

2146
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 5: I can't.

2147
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 10: You can't figure out what our memories and what are

2148
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 10: memories anymore? But I love those kinds of mittens.

2149
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'll make gum that you'm shreen w James.

2150
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, I can't believe you have How did you say

2151
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 10: in British boys mittens? No reightouns rain rainers?

2152
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: How you say it reno? They're French. I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah,

2153
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 1: I think mine. Maybe I don't know, Maybe it's just

2154
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 1: from being naturally cold, but holding onto the handlebars of

2155
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 1: a bicycle racing over cobbles has really fucked the circulation

2156
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 1: and sensation in my hands. Yeah, the same thing that

2157
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: happens if you work a jackhammer, wows get cold.

2158
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2159
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: It's good, not good, not good for the human and

2160
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: body to do any think that much outdoor research make

2161
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:04,600
Speaker 1: a good glove system, but they only make it for

2162
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 1: the military and they won't sell it to you, which

2163
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:11,639
Speaker 1: is lame. Yeah, there's a lot of like so one

2164
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: of the reasons that some of this surplus clothing comes

2165
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 1: up is because it's designed as a system, which is good. Right,

2166
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 1: it's one piece designed to work with another piece, and like,

2167
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: for instance, Patagonia makes a protective combat uniform for the army.

2168
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 1: As much as they would like to not talk about it,

2169
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 1: it's still true and I've written about it before, but

2170
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: they make a really good system and it's great, and

2171
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 1: stuff's got like they actually have like this little graphic

2172
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 1: that's like if it's this cold, where this, If it's

2173
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 1: this cold and wet, where this, If it's this cold

2174
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: and windy, where this. And it's very handy for people,

2175
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 1: especially people who may not have grown up or had

2176
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:49,600
Speaker 1: that kind of experience or just had the chance to

2177
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: try different products because they're very expensive. Right, it's very

2178
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: handy to be like, okay, this is and this, and

2179
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 1: then you only need these five or six pieces that way,

2180
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to having dozens of jackets and dozens of

2181
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 1: different things for different weathers. So like it it works

2182
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 1: very well, and it frustrates me that they don't do

2183
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 1: the same thing when selling to people who are not

2184
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 1: in the military. So the other things I wanted to

2185
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 1: do with extremity is real quick socks sucks. It goes

2186
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 1: the same way as gloves that you don't want to

2187
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 1: a sock system. Yeah, I'm glad that you're picking up

2188
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 1: when I'm picking down at suren.

2189
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 10: I have a sock system, but it's not you're it's

2190
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 10: not anything about this tell me about Yeah, well, my

2191
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 10: feet are always called this is not a sock, but

2192
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 10: I do wear this in my house.

2193
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Charene is showing me. Uh, it looks like

2194
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of a moon boot but made of fluff.

2195
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: It looks like a Yeti's foot.

2196
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 10: It's very more. I don't wear shoes in my house,

2197
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 10: so I either always have those slippers on or socks.

2198
01:54:55,040 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 10: But my sock system is these socks can never mingle.

2199
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 10: I have outside socks, I have house socks, and I

2200
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 10: have bed socks, and those socks remain in their sections.

2201
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 10: An outdoor sock cannot come in my bed.

2202
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? It does, And I'm fascinated to learn.

2203
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: When we start recording, I'm going to inquire more about

2204
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: Charine sock collection.

2205
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, very interesting to me anyway. Yeah, that's eroticism. But

2206
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,840
Speaker 10: I think so the same thing with gloves, you're saying

2207
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 10: like they should be layered.

2208
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean with socks, I think the big thing

2209
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 1: is to like not always be trying to I think

2210
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 1: people want to wear like a big thick wall sock

2211
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 1: because it's cold, and then if you're kind of crammed

2212
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 1: that into your same boot, you're going to restrict circulation.

2213
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to move your feet, right.

2214
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 1: So what I would do instead is I either have

2215
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 1: a couple of pair of thin socks or use a

2216
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 1: warmer fabric, so like Olpaka wool is very warm for

2217
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: its weight. The other nice thing about woll socks is

2218
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:00,880
Speaker 1: again the insulate when they're wet, right, So your feet

2219
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 1: are gonna sweat you're moving, and so you want something

2220
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: that's not going to get your feet cold, right, especially

2221
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: if you a person who already gets cold feet. So

2222
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 1: Marina wool is good, our Packer wool is very good.

2223
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't want to restrict with like one

2224
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 1: big fluffy sock. You can get insulated boots if it's

2225
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 1: really cold, I right down until below freezing. I don't

2226
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 1: like insulated boots because again I don't like my feet

2227
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: to get sweaty.

2228
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 10: And well, you wear your feet for that kind of weather.

2229
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 1: They get really cold, just gor text boots and I

2230
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 1: wear the same boots for almost everything unless it's like

2231
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 1: jungly if you're going to get wet, like Goratex's boots

2232
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 1: suck right because they take forever to dry. So like,

2233
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 1: if you're in the jungle and the water is going

2234
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: to come over your boots, then you shouldn't wear gortex

2235
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 1: boots if you're not I have some. You like to

2236
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 1: know exactly what boots I have? Sure?

2237
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:58,840
Speaker 10: I mean we're not sponsored though maybe no?

2238
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get some of this ship for

2239
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 1: free when I was working in the outdoor industry, but

2240
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 1: no one's paying us to say this. I have Solomon

2241
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: quest for D.

2242
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 10: I think I have Wait, I have those? No, which

2243
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 10: ones do I have? I did like a bunch of

2244
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 10: research a couple of years ago when I got my

2245
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 10: new hiking boots. I feel like I have the Solomons

2246
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 10: or those were the ones I no, no, no, I do

2247
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 10: have the Solomons because I returned the other one that

2248
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 10: everyone likes the witches. What's it called hokahs.

2249
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: The whole focus. Oh yeah, No, Hogas make lovely running shoes.

2250
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have a preference for I.

2251
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 10: Think there were. I mean I just didn't understand the hype.

2252
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 10: So I remember switching over to or returning those and

2253
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 10: getting the Solomons. Wow, look at us.

2254
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Team Solomon over here, they're vegan too.

2255
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 10: Oh I didn't know that.

2256
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's if you have leather boots, you can snow

2257
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 1: seal them around this time of the year, but then

2258
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,839
Speaker 1: there'll be a bit less breathe, a bit more waterproof.

2259
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, consider not overcramming like thick socks into boots

2260
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 1: of the same size. If you if you're going to

2261
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 1: get a specific pair of winter get the assize bigger

2262
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: and then you could wear a thicker sock. I would

2263
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,360
Speaker 1: probably do that before I went to an insulated boot.

2264
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: Until it was really cold, like arctic stuff, you don't

2265
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 1: need an insulated boot. Vask makes some nice insulated boots

2266
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 1: that I have used. And then hats is the last one.

2267
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 1: Hats again, like it depends a little bit on the temperature,

2268
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: but I have a couple of wool beanies that I

2269
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 1: got years and years and years ago, and they're very

2270
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:27,400
Speaker 1: good and they're very warm. And the only thing is

2271
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 1: when they get wet, they kind of stretch out a bit,

2272
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 1: so they don't love getting wet. You might want to

2273
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: put a hood over yourself. Otherwise, a flea speanie is

2274
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 1: really good. People are sleeping on the flea speanie, but

2275
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,520
Speaker 1: like a micro flee stretchy beanie, it's very nice. I

2276
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 1: tend to take them when I travel because I'm a

2277
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 1: cold person and planes are cold. So if I have

2278
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 1: that and my little Kafa in my bag, then I

2279
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: can kind of wrap myself up on the plane and

2280
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: I probably look a bit weird to everyone else, but

2281
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't care because I am warm and planes are cold.

2282
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 1: I think that it's the end of my ted talk

2283
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 1: on warm clothing.

2284
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 10: We talk for an hour about cold serene.

2285
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think we'd keep it under an hour. Wait really, yeah, No,

2286
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 1: I've been draining my whole life for this shit. Like

2287
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 1: I love. I used to like my whole job used

2288
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 1: to be to tell people what to wear and take

2289
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:24,800
Speaker 1: with them when they go outside. Wait really, yeah? Outdoor

2290
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 1: industry journalists who are years how I started my little

2291
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 1: when I was little baby journals the expert here, little

2292
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,839
Speaker 1: baby journalist, I wrote, I don't think I'm an expert,

2293
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 1: but I will say, well, I'll tell you what. There's

2294
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 1: my other little soap box. You will read a lot

2295
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 1: of reviews, and sometimes, like the reviews for Boots, did

2296
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:46,160
Speaker 1: they did Sharen in a good direction? Not everyone who's

2297
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:48,800
Speaker 1: writing those reviews is going outside very much, is what

2298
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 1: I will say, or sending it very hard. Some of

2299
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 1: them are, doubtedly are, but a lot of them are

2300
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 1: trying to get you to click a link which will

2301
01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: return a certain percentage to the website that you're clicking

2302
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 1: the from, so four or five percent back right, And

2303
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 1: you may, for instance, some of the brands I've mentioned

2304
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:10,480
Speaker 1: here don't have that. It's called affiliate marketing. And if

2305
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 1: brands don't have affiliate marketing, you generally can't put it

2306
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: in articles for a lots of magazines about the outdoors.

2307
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:21,680
Speaker 1: This is something that I fucking loathe, and you can't

2308
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:24,760
Speaker 1: be honest and say this is my favorite thing. Everything's

2309
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:26,600
Speaker 1: designed to be seoed and to get you to click

2310
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 1: something and to return some affiliate revenue to the website.

2311
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 1: So it would take a lot of those reviews with

2312
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 1: a pinch of salt. Also, just small brands struggle to

2313
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,920
Speaker 1: get into a lot of into a lot of magazines

2314
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 1: because they don't have the marketing money to send piles

2315
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 1: and piles of free stuff. So yeah, be cautious about

2316
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 1: what you read. And if you look around, you know,

2317
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 1: if you're looking at this shit like like, I absolutely

2318
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 1: have jackets that got several hundred dollars that I got

2319
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 1: for free or I made some employer pay for because

2320
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 1: I was going somewhererifically in hospitable. Is a human life

2321
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 1: like Alaska or Alaska's actually lovely. I'd like to live there.

2322
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: That's the dream. Right one day I'll podcast my way

2323
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 1: to a million dollars and raise sheep in Alaska.

2324
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 10: I was looking for tickets to Alaska yesterday. Actually, yah,

2325
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:14,360
Speaker 10: I want.

2326
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:17,040
Speaker 1: To show we're talking about Alaska.

2327
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:20,200
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, we talk about lights.

2328
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go get after it. But I

2329
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 1: don't really support moving to Alaska and colonizing people's land

2330
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: because I shouldn't do that. Don't don't do extra colonizing.

2331
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm already doing enough. Feel bad about it. But so yeah,

2332
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:37,680
Speaker 1: I would suggest people take those reviews with a pinch

2333
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,280
Speaker 1: of salt. There are websites like gear Trade where you

2334
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 1: can find new stuff. eBay offer up a lot of

2335
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:46,200
Speaker 1: people buy outdoor stuff, go camping, wants, get cold, get wet,

2336
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:49,120
Speaker 1: get sad, slap it on the internet and sell it

2337
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 1: for pennies versus what it's worth, so you don't have

2338
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: to buy any of this stuff new. Most of these

2339
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 1: companies also have bomber warranties, and I'm just going to

2340
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 1: leave that there as to the combination of second hand

2341
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,800
Speaker 1: purchasing a warranties, but you can probably join the dots.

2342
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, thanks for having me for this. I learned

2343
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:10,160
Speaker 10: a lot.

2344
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me, Sheriene and sharing with me your

2345
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:13,200
Speaker 1: sock system.

2346
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, that was really intimate. No, I think

2347
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 10: this stuff is like underrated how important it is. I

2348
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 10: feel like, I mean, like, unless you're always outdoors and

2349
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:24,960
Speaker 10: you're like you're an outdoorsy person, I think you wouldn't

2350
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 10: know exactly the best way to keep warm. And it's

2351
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:29,880
Speaker 10: good to know, like what will actually help someone if

2352
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 10: you want to, I don't know, donate stuff to them.

2353
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:37,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have been plagued with donations of really

2354
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,960
Speaker 1: shitty blankets. For instance, it's no one's fault. I genuinely

2355
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: understand that people care and like it. I'm so proud

2356
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 1: that people want to help, and it makes me so

2357
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:47,840
Speaker 1: happy to see people taking the money that I know

2358
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:51,360
Speaker 1: none of us have enough of and buying stuff. But like,

2359
02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:53,760
Speaker 1: for instance, a thick wall blanket is going to do

2360
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:56,520
Speaker 1: so much more than two or three very thin micro

2361
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 1: lease blankets. You know, if you, if you're looking towards

2362
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:04,280
Speaker 1: your local unhoused community, right again, like think about things

2363
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:07,280
Speaker 1: that are durable and that we'll still insulate when they're

2364
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,280
Speaker 1: wet and well if you, if you do well, then

2365
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:12,320
Speaker 1: then that's a great choice for a lot of those things.

2366
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:15,200
Speaker 1: And but perhaps we can have one of my own

2367
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 1: house friends on to talk about like effective donations. The

2368
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 1: best way to help people who are unhoused is to

2369
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 1: give them money and that they can buy the things

2370
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: that they need because they know about the things that

2371
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 1: point and so yeah, that, yeah, that's my last thing

2372
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 1: for today. Give people who need things money so they

2373
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 1: can buy them. All right, bye everyone, Bye.

2374
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 4: Elections. No, we're not talking about those elections. This is

2375
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 4: it could happen here. We're talking about a bunch of

2376
02:03:56,360 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 4: other elections and how fucking terribly they went. I'm hosts

2377
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 4: me along with these James stout.

2378
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 1: Hi, Mayah, I'm stoked. I do love a good election.

2379
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 1: It's great to vote for people.

2380
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 4: We are kind of talking about elections today, but the

2381
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:16,200
Speaker 4: thing that we're actually talking about is what has happened

2382
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,360
Speaker 4: to the left since twenty eleven.

2383
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:21,760
Speaker 1: And anyone who was around eleven.

2384
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 4: Twenty thirteen, and like any time after that, one of

2385
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 4: the arguments you got constantly was Okay, so twenty eleven,

2386
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 4: you have occupy, you have to movement to the squares.

2387
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:33,640
Speaker 4: You have these mass millions of people like assembling in

2388
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:36,120
Speaker 4: squares and trying to do direct democratic stuff and you know,

2389
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:38,680
Speaker 4: figuring it out and making it work and not working,

2390
02:04:38,920 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 4: and you know all the complicated and messy things that

2391
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:45,760
Speaker 4: happen when you have real political movement. And that entire time,

2392
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:50,680
Speaker 4: there was an entire chorus of dipshits whose only line was, well,

2393
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:52,320
Speaker 4: if you want to get serious about taking power, you

2394
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:55,600
Speaker 4: have to get into electoral politics. And these people got

2395
02:04:55,600 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 4: their wish. And now we are, like almost a decade

2396
02:05:01,480 --> 02:05:03,920
Speaker 4: and a half out. I think I think we are

2397
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:07,120
Speaker 4: finally in a position to objectively analyze how well this

2398
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:11,960
Speaker 4: shit went and oh boy, so join us as we

2399
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 4: wander from disaster to apocal disaster and go over the

2400
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 4: wreckage of all of these very, very once promising and

2401
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:21,400
Speaker 4: inspiring social movements to joy.

2402
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm so excited to hear yet another

2403
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:26,520
Speaker 1: attempt at making the world better than in fact failed.

2404
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2405
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:31,320
Speaker 4: So, okay, there's actually two places we could start here,

2406
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna let you pick. Do you want to

2407
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:34,960
Speaker 4: start with Sars or do you want to start with Podemos.

2408
02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 1: Let's start with Podemos.

2409
02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 3: I do.

2410
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:42,720
Speaker 1: I do enjoy a good Spain. It's been reading about

2411
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 1: the another round of exhumations today, so I do love

2412
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: a country that has banked into its constitution amnesty for

2413
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:54,240
Speaker 1: people who did fucking mass and Expain has more mass

2414
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:58,680
Speaker 1: graves in anywhere apart from is it rwand or Cambodia. Cambodia.

2415
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:02,320
Speaker 1: Cambodia is if you only beat Spae from Spain for

2416
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:04,320
Speaker 1: mass graves.

2417
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2418
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 1: A country which I cannot say enough has not finished

2419
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:11,839
Speaker 1: as civil war and remains a post dictatorship and will

2420
02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 1: until it recovers. Allows people whose fucking parents and grandparents

2421
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:21,360
Speaker 1: were murdered in the street to recover their remains and

2422
02:06:21,640 --> 02:06:24,080
Speaker 1: grief for them. Sorry, I thank you for me to

2423
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 1: my ted. No, no, this is good.

2424
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 4: Well and I mean, and part of the context of

2425
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:30,440
Speaker 4: this whole thing is that this is one of the

2426
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:35,280
Speaker 4: underlying things that causes the enormous uprisings in Spain twenty eleven.

2427
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:38,240
Speaker 4: They have one of the biggest I mean actually literally

2428
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:40,880
Speaker 4: One of the reasons occupy happens is that there are

2429
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 4: specific people who are in like actually, we fucked up

2430
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:45,760
Speaker 4: with to Vicky Asiwell on the show about this, like

2431
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:49,840
Speaker 4: she was in Catalonia when this stuff started. There's there's

2432
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 4: like a million like there are individual squares where there

2433
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:52,800
Speaker 4: are like a million people.

2434
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was in Catalonia when this stuff started.

2435
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:57,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like and that's one of the things that

2436
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,240
Speaker 4: that brings Occupied to the US is people who were

2437
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:01,560
Speaker 4: there for that being in the US and like being

2438
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:05,040
Speaker 4: in Siconti Park when occupy started, and so you know,

2439
02:07:05,120 --> 02:07:08,640
Speaker 4: they have they have one of the largest and most powerful,

2440
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:12,000
Speaker 4: like anti sterity movements, like anywhere in the world, is

2441
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:14,920
Speaker 4: very well organized. But one of the things that happens

2442
02:07:14,920 --> 02:07:18,800
Speaker 4: in this is very quickly there's an attempt to hijack

2443
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:20,800
Speaker 4: this because people see the number of people who are

2444
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:22,960
Speaker 4: in the streets. They see they see this as an

2445
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,880
Speaker 4: opportunity to you know, take electoral power, right, this is

2446
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:28,400
Speaker 4: the whole lines like we're serious about taking power, blah

2447
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:33,120
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. And Podamos in particular, is influenced

2448
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 4: by like some of the people on earth who I

2449
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 4: hate the most.

2450
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:41,160
Speaker 1: They're they're they're.

2451
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:46,600
Speaker 4: Influenced by like like they deliberately call themselves post Marxists,

2452
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:53,960
Speaker 4: like left populist philosophers. They're their model is Perhnism. It

2453
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:57,280
Speaker 4: is a shit show. It is a catastrophe. Like every

2454
02:07:57,280 --> 02:08:00,000
Speaker 4: single party who's ever tried their strategy of taking power

2455
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:03,520
Speaker 4: has failed, Like left populism as an elect as specifically,

2456
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:05,800
Speaker 4: like this kind of left populace at a strategy has

2457
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 4: a worse record for taking power in Europe. Then left

2458
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 4: wing military coups like it's that.

2459
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:16,040
Speaker 1: Bad to be fair, left wing mandatary case rarely succeed

2460
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:16,880
Speaker 1: at the ballot box.

2461
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:20,840
Speaker 4: They means, they're they're they're a more effective way of

2462
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:24,040
Speaker 4: getting into power than this this fucking left electoralism shit.

2463
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:26,440
Speaker 4: So for people who don't really remember, Potamos was like

2464
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 4: the like them and Sergi were like the thing in

2465
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:33,040
Speaker 4: like like post sort of like post occupier like and

2466
02:08:33,120 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 4: in that moment of like, these are the like the

2467
02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:37,960
Speaker 4: big like left like electoral successes. These are the things

2468
02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 4: they're gonna gonna take power, Podamos specifically. So the the

2469
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:44,120
Speaker 4: thing Podamos calls itself like their whole strategy is to

2470
02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:47,720
Speaker 4: build build what they call the electoral war machine. Their

2471
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:49,720
Speaker 4: entire strategy is just to win elections.

2472
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:50,080
Speaker 1: That's it.

2473
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 4: That's the whole thing. They're gonna pull together a bunch

2474
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:54,960
Speaker 4: of leftist groups, They're going to win elections. Did they

2475
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,839
Speaker 4: ever win a single election? No? Zero, The entire type

2476
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:00,839
Speaker 4: it has bid says I of Pootabos.

2477
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:05,080
Speaker 1: It has been what like thirteen years.

2478
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:10,080
Speaker 4: They have lost every single election in a row.

2479
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:12,760
Speaker 1: They were in the they were in the Sanchez coalition

2480
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:14,000
Speaker 1: government with the Faciliyah.

2481
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well so this is this is the other interesting

2482
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,280
Speaker 4: thing is that put the thing that Potamos is like

2483
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 4: thing right originally was well they had this whole sort

2484
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:24,160
Speaker 4: of one of the things that was very popular in

2485
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:27,200
Speaker 4: their early twenty tens was this whole like oh, we'll

2486
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:31,320
Speaker 4: have a political party, but it'll like take like it'll

2487
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 4: it'll take its policy from these direct democratic assemblies. Those

2488
02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:36,560
Speaker 4: assemblies have ever material that was all lie. Yet anytime

2489
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 4: someone tells you that their political party is going to

2490
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:41,240
Speaker 4: take its direction from like assemblies in the street, they're

2491
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 4: lying to you. They're trying to get you out of

2492
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,040
Speaker 4: the street. Don't believe them. So that that was all nonsense.

2493
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:47,240
Speaker 4: But the other big thing about about Potamos was that

2494
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:50,360
Speaker 4: they were supposed to be like the big like third

2495
02:09:50,440 --> 02:09:53,160
Speaker 4: force in Spanish politics, right, they were going to be

2496
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:54,440
Speaker 4: like the new force that was going to come in.

2497
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 4: They were going to wipe away all the cru politicians

2498
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,800
Speaker 4: and they specifically their big thing was that they refused

2499
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:03,440
Speaker 4: to enter coalition governments. Now for long fast forward to

2500
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:07,280
Speaker 4: losing like six straight elections, and now what is Potamos

2501
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:12,240
Speaker 4: podemos is the permanent minority government coalition partner with the

2502
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:14,760
Speaker 4: Spanish Socialist Party. And before you get excited about the

2503
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:20,040
Speaker 4: Spanish Socialist Party, like they suck, like they are shit.

2504
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:24,600
Speaker 1: I will always stand anyone who digs up Franco's rotting

2505
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:28,240
Speaker 1: corpse and flies it across the country. That's those ritten.

2506
02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:31,600
Speaker 4: But they're also like that's mostly like they they're they're

2507
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 4: they're they're also I mean, they they've they've kind of

2508
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:36,120
Speaker 4: been forced to go a bit to the left, like

2509
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:39,040
Speaker 4: by Podemos and like by the sort of transformations that happen.

2510
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:40,960
Speaker 4: But they're also just like a bunch of dealerble ships.

2511
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:42,960
Speaker 4: Like they're like, literally, this is one of the parties

2512
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 4: that Podemos was formed to run out of power, and

2513
02:10:45,400 --> 02:10:47,280
Speaker 4: now they're just you know, they're just a permanent like

2514
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 4: minority coalition governments. Pablo and Gleasios, who is Potamos's like

2515
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:53,800
Speaker 4: great political strategist. He was like he was like their guy.

2516
02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:57,400
Speaker 4: He was the guy he wore cool leather jackets and

2517
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:59,560
Speaker 4: ship like. He was the guy who was like in every.

2518
02:10:59,480 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 1: Day what you say a politician and left the jacket.

2519
02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:06,680
Speaker 1: You fucking run, yeah, you run a mile peak. Dad's

2520
02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 1: trying to look cool energy.

2521
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 4: He he has retired from politics. It just abject failure

2522
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:15,320
Speaker 4: because nothing ever fucking worked. One of the one of

2523
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:17,000
Speaker 4: one of the big things that, you know, one of

2524
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:19,080
Speaker 4: the big recent things that Pidamos did was help the

2525
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 4: Socialist Party crush the massive wave of metalworkers strikes that

2526
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:23,240
Speaker 4: swept Spain in twenty eleven.

2527
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty.

2528
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:28,000
Speaker 4: One, so great stuff happening there like they're you know,

2529
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:32,120
Speaker 4: they're not literally fascists, and that's that's their selling point.

2530
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:32,480
Speaker 12: Uh.

2531
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:35,720
Speaker 4: They fucking lose every election and they yeah, ran, ran,

2532
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:37,240
Speaker 4: ran the social movements into the ground.

2533
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a They literally had a thing, didn't they, Like, Yeah,

2534
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:46,160
Speaker 1: they're their men. Their initial manifesto was like to convert

2535
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 1: indignation into political change, and like the movement that began

2536
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: the occupation of the squares in Spain was called the

2537
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:55,680
Speaker 1: indignats or indignaos in Catalando Spanish. Like the whole thing

2538
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:58,520
Speaker 1: was like two channel this energy into a process which

2539
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:00,879
Speaker 1: is literally designed to stop shit changing.

2540
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, guess what, it didn't fucking change.

2541
02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:06,800
Speaker 4: They lost every election. They've never wanted an election. They're

2542
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:07,880
Speaker 4: never going to wait an election.

2543
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, remain in the street to my Spanish friends and

2544
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:15,240
Speaker 1: Kathlan friends and Basque friends and Galician friends and other

2545
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:16,760
Speaker 1: friends in Iberia.

2546
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2547
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:20,720
Speaker 4: So all right, moving on to so, you know, we

2548
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:23,840
Speaker 4: talked about how Spain had one of the biggest like

2549
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:27,280
Speaker 4: movement into the squares type things. Greece I think technically

2550
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:30,160
Speaker 4: gets the honor of having the first post two thousand

2551
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:33,120
Speaker 4: and eight uprising, which was actually not an economic thing.

2552
02:12:33,160 --> 02:12:36,640
Speaker 4: It was the cops like murdered a fucking kid and

2553
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:40,040
Speaker 4: people just lit shit on fire like it was. It

2554
02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:40,920
Speaker 4: was fucking wild.

2555
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:41,520
Speaker 1: It was.

2556
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:46,480
Speaker 4: There's a quote about like those first protests that I

2557
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:49,360
Speaker 4: always I was thinking about in like the height of

2558
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, when I was watching that guy in the

2559
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 4: elbow mask with a molotov like, which is you know

2560
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:58,960
Speaker 4: that those first protests it was people. It wasn't It

2561
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:00,560
Speaker 4: wasn't a people were trying. People wen't try to build

2562
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:02,480
Speaker 4: a political movement. They just wanted destruction.

2563
02:13:02,520 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 1: Because yeah, yeah, they were angry and they wanted to

2564
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:05,400
Speaker 1: ben shit down.

2565
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 4: Abject abject fury at the cops just murdering this child,

2566
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:12,600
Speaker 4: and partially also they murdered this kid like in in Xarchia,

2567
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:16,880
Speaker 4: which is like Greece's anarchists like neighborhood. So yeah, terrible

2568
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:17,960
Speaker 4: idea by the police.

2569
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 1: Terrible thing.

2570
02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 4: Greece has repeated massive protests. One of the reasons they're

2571
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:26,640
Speaker 4: having these protests is that Greece is forced to accept

2572
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:31,120
Speaker 4: these like crippling austerity measures by the Troika, which is

2573
02:13:31,320 --> 02:13:33,760
Speaker 4: this group that was running the bailouts in Europe, composed

2574
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:36,400
Speaker 4: of the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank and

2575
02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:39,880
Speaker 4: the European Commission, which is basically the executive branch of

2576
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:42,360
Speaker 4: the European Union with reps from all of the EU countries.

2577
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,760
Speaker 4: And the product of this is that the only faction

2578
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 4: that ever actually mattered in the Troika was just Germany. Effectively,

2579
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:51,960
Speaker 4: what was happening with Germany was imposing like a bunch

2580
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:53,240
Speaker 4: of economic sanctions on.

2581
02:13:54,440 --> 02:13:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is when like the European Union became like

2582
02:13:57,560 --> 02:14:02,360
Speaker 1: what Germany says we do, especially from guide to this stuff.

2583
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 4: In the context of these massive protests, Greece elects Soresa,

2584
02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:10,200
Speaker 4: which is supposedly this left wing party that is going

2585
02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:13,160
Speaker 4: to you know, the specifically the mandate they were handed

2586
02:14:13,960 --> 02:14:18,120
Speaker 4: was stop the austerity and literally they are in negotiationd

2587
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 4: with the Troika. They have a plan in hand to

2588
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:24,360
Speaker 4: tell the Troika to fuck off and for Greece to

2589
02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 4: leave the European Union in to seat up capital controls

2590
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,400
Speaker 4: to start, like, you know, this is a process that

2591
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:30,880
Speaker 4: would have like the only way this could have function

2592
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,320
Speaker 4: is they start, you know, they start literally like seizing

2593
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:37,960
Speaker 4: property from like a bunch of fucking yacht owners. And

2594
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:41,360
Speaker 4: instead of doing that literally at the last second with

2595
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:45,280
Speaker 4: the plan in hand at the negotiating table, soresa folds.

2596
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:47,640
Speaker 4: Instead they cut a deal with the Troika, they impose

2597
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,040
Speaker 4: literally the exact same austerity measures they are put in

2598
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:54,960
Speaker 4: power to stop. And then you know, now, now having

2599
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:57,920
Speaker 4: done this, they're now facing their own giant anti sterity protests.

2600
02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:03,520
Speaker 4: And the thing that Theresa does is ally with the

2601
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:05,640
Speaker 4: riot police. You, by the way, the things one of

2602
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:07,880
Speaker 4: the ways that Resa got people to support them was

2603
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:12,320
Speaker 4: specifically by running on basically completely rebuilding the Greek police force,

2604
02:15:12,360 --> 02:15:17,400
Speaker 4: because Greece's police force, oh yeah, fuck me, just straight.

2605
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:18,160
Speaker 1: Up a bunch of Nazis.

2606
02:15:18,280 --> 02:15:22,520
Speaker 4: And when I say that, I literally they vote. I

2607
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:25,320
Speaker 4: think it's ninety seven percent of their members voted for

2608
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:28,720
Speaker 4: the Golden Dawn, which is like the Greek neo Nazi Party. Yeah,

2609
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:30,640
Speaker 4: and like so many of these people vote for the

2610
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 4: Golden Down that they can be considered like a significant

2611
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:36,240
Speaker 4: part of the total of the Golden Don's base.

2612
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps more importantly of its like street fighting element

2613
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:43,120
Speaker 1: that yeah, that kills anti fascists, right.

2614
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:46,160
Speaker 4: Those guys, like the Golden Down eventually comes apart because

2615
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:51,120
Speaker 4: they ordered the assassination of an anti fascist rapper from

2616
02:15:51,160 --> 02:15:54,640
Speaker 4: parliament and then had the guy killed. Yeah, yeah, just

2617
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:56,400
Speaker 4: fucking batch it. And those are the people who the

2618
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 4: Greek police are supporting. But Sarge Sarsa needs them because

2619
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:02,600
Speaker 4: they need the police to smash the anti serity movements

2620
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:05,240
Speaker 4: to stop people from like knocking off their governments and

2621
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:08,280
Speaker 4: stopping the austerity. And they do it. It works eventually,

2622
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:10,320
Speaker 4: after years and years and years and years of just

2623
02:16:10,360 --> 02:16:14,640
Speaker 4: smashing these like smashing these protests with police, they're able

2624
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:17,200
Speaker 4: to you know, they're they're they're able to stamp out

2625
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:19,920
Speaker 4: the sort of the giant social movements. And the consequence

2626
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:23,880
Speaker 4: of this is that they turn over Greece to just

2627
02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:28,680
Speaker 4: like a bunch of murderously far right, anti immigrant shitheads.

2628
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:32,200
Speaker 4: Who are the people who currently run Greece. They're unbelievable,

2629
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:35,560
Speaker 4: like just unbelievably right wing. These guys are so right

2630
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:38,040
Speaker 4: wing they were trying to find ways to claim credit

2631
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,760
Speaker 4: for getting it, like getting those like several hundred people

2632
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:44,160
Speaker 4: on that migrant ship earlier this year killed. Like, yeah,

2633
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:46,440
Speaker 4: that's that's who currently runs Greece, and that's who's the

2634
02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:49,920
Speaker 4: reason like turned power over to because they literally did nothing,

2635
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:50,880
Speaker 4: it destroyed their own base.

2636
02:16:51,800 --> 02:16:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably worth like stopping to note here that

2637
02:16:55,080 --> 02:17:01,119
Speaker 1: like fearmongering around migrants has been the thing that has

2638
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:03,959
Speaker 1: moved like straight up fascists into power in much of

2639
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:07,600
Speaker 1: southern Europe, right like Italy and Greece, and like even

2640
02:17:07,600 --> 02:17:09,320
Speaker 1: if you're not a person who lives at the border,

2641
02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 1: like this ship is absolutely like the playbook that the

2642
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:16,160
Speaker 1: fire right is using all over the world, absolutely using

2643
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:19,040
Speaker 1: here right now. And we have an election. You're here,

2644
02:17:19,080 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 1: and like you owe it to the world to correct

2645
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:24,240
Speaker 1: that bullshit differformation whenever you can. Now that we're talking

2646
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:27,119
Speaker 1: about Greece, can we just briefly mention the Archer of Syntagma,

2647
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:32,080
Speaker 1: the biggest chad ever to walk the earth? Yeah, sorry,

2648
02:17:32,959 --> 02:17:34,600
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I got you an episode without

2649
02:17:34,600 --> 02:17:38,119
Speaker 1: this guy. If you are not familiar with Yannis mikkeladis

2650
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:42,680
Speaker 1: this absolutely legend dude who took a bow and arrow

2651
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 1: to the protests, given a thirteen year sentence and then

2652
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:48,640
Speaker 1: escape from prison I think was recaptured and then it

2653
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:51,440
Speaker 1: went on hunger straight for a while. Just just this

2654
02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:56,040
Speaker 1: series of experts that they're truly legendary, incredible.

2655
02:17:56,840 --> 02:18:03,920
Speaker 4: They replace this with fucking h just being another party

2656
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 4: that imposed Austeria.

2657
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, no, no one's replaced that guy. He's still

2658
02:18:07,959 --> 02:18:10,400
Speaker 1: h he's still but as.

2659
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:15,080
Speaker 4: As as they replaced the political movement that produced this guy, yeah,

2660
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:20,040
Speaker 4: with like just just genuinely the greatest glowdown in human history.

2661
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:21,840
Speaker 4: Just terrible stuff.

2662
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very sad. It could have been a

2663
02:18:24,040 --> 02:18:26,120
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. There are still like Greece has still a

2664
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 1: very strong and and and uh like a respectable anarchist movement.

2665
02:18:30,480 --> 02:18:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get over there to they squat large

2666
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:37,400
Speaker 1: areas of housing for migrants to like allow microslip in it.

2667
02:18:37,440 --> 02:18:39,560
Speaker 1: And it's extremely based and I'm trying to get spend

2668
02:18:39,560 --> 02:18:41,039
Speaker 1: some time forgot to mention this.

2669
02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:44,560
Speaker 4: So they also do this in Spain, and so I've

2670
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:46,240
Speaker 4: talked about this on the show before, but I actually

2671
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:48,360
Speaker 4: mentioned it here since we're doing this. Uh So, one

2672
02:18:48,400 --> 02:18:51,560
Speaker 4: of podemos is like regional allies as Barcelona and Camu.

2673
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:54,160
Speaker 4: First thing that Barcelona and Camu did upon taking power

2674
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:56,320
Speaker 4: was a victim immigrant squat because they knew it wouldn't

2675
02:18:56,320 --> 02:18:58,199
Speaker 4: have enough defenses to stop the police and victim.

2676
02:18:58,520 --> 02:18:59,560
Speaker 1: So fuck these people.

2677
02:18:59,560 --> 02:19:01,360
Speaker 4: Those people used to be anarchists, they're traders.

2678
02:19:01,440 --> 02:19:04,320
Speaker 1: Fuck them yeah, and this happens constantly, right, like the

2679
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:08,119
Speaker 1: Senate entered into government in nineteen thirty six with the

2680
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:11,160
Speaker 1: Spanish Socialist Party and getting and got completely owned by

2681
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:14,240
Speaker 1: Moscow and extremely predictable fashion, and all their friends got

2682
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:17,720
Speaker 1: in some cases literally flayed alive. Perhaps consider not doing

2683
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:18,480
Speaker 1: that next time.

2684
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, speaking of being played alive, do you know

2685
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:24,000
Speaker 4: do you know who else will flay you alive? You

2686
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,520
Speaker 4: don't buy buy their stuff?

2687
02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:29,400
Speaker 1: Is it their products and services? I support this podcast again,

2688
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:32,160
Speaker 1: isn't it? They're fucking they're all over that shit. We

2689
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:33,680
Speaker 1: can't say that, can we just bleep?

2690
02:19:33,680 --> 02:19:33,760
Speaker 7: It?

2691
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:34,000
Speaker 1: Mean?

2692
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:45,160
Speaker 12: All right?

2693
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:45,680
Speaker 2: We're back?

2694
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:48,760
Speaker 4: So all right, we need to talk about two other

2695
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:51,680
Speaker 4: places where this kind of stuff happened. We're leaving Europe.

2696
02:19:51,720 --> 02:19:54,000
Speaker 4: We're gonna go We're going to go to briefly, we're

2697
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:57,880
Speaker 4: going to go to the Anglophone world now, a deeply

2698
02:19:58,040 --> 02:20:02,400
Speaker 4: cursed place. In the US, all of these same people

2699
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:05,959
Speaker 4: gained power. Their giant political project, and their only real

2700
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:09,560
Speaker 4: political project, was attempting to elect Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders

2701
02:20:09,560 --> 02:20:12,240
Speaker 4: lost two consecutive elections, first to Hillary Clinton, the most

2702
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:15,480
Speaker 4: unpopular Democratic presidential candidate in modern history, and then lost

2703
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:17,720
Speaker 4: a second election to Joe Biden de Manso. See now

2704
02:20:17,800 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 4: he forgot what president he served as VP under. And

2705
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:24,680
Speaker 4: I'm only mentioning this because these are these are the

2706
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:26,680
Speaker 4: people who spend all of their time talking about how

2707
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,200
Speaker 4: serious they are about taking power, and they got their

2708
02:20:29,240 --> 02:20:34,360
Speaker 4: rass kicked by again Hillary Clinton, the most unpopular candidate

2709
02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:36,560
Speaker 4: in the entire history, like the bordered history of the

2710
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:41,039
Speaker 4: Democratic Party, and Joe fucking bited a man like I

2711
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,360
Speaker 4: just okay, And instead the one guy they did run

2712
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:47,600
Speaker 4: and managed to actually like get into power was one

2713
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:48,680
Speaker 4: John Fetterman.

2714
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:52,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Look he's had some banging tweets, but

2715
02:20:52,520 --> 02:20:55,360
Speaker 1: he's been a complete fucking turd in his time in office.

2716
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:57,920
Speaker 4: I'm pissed about this because from the very beginning, I

2717
02:20:57,959 --> 02:21:01,480
Speaker 4: was like, this guy sucks ass. He's a Zionist, anti immigrants'

2718
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 4: he fucking sees.

2719
02:21:02,959 --> 02:21:06,840
Speaker 1: Anti trousers, he opposes said anything below the knee, And

2720
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:09,640
Speaker 1: no one fucking believed me this. His campaign was run

2721
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:13,440
Speaker 1: by a bunch of fucking DSA people, and instead they

2722
02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:17,400
Speaker 1: elected John fucking Fetterman, who hates everyone who fucking worked

2723
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:20,520
Speaker 1: with him, is just screaming like the same fascist, anti

2724
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:22,840
Speaker 1: immigrant borders. He's also in the pocket of big egg.

2725
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:27,320
Speaker 1: He's made he's introduced a bill to not allow people

2726
02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:29,160
Speaker 1: to go vegan ex substitutes egg.

2727
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:33,920
Speaker 4: But he's not even in like the pocket of like

2728
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:36,160
Speaker 4: good big egg. Like he's not in the pocket of

2729
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:38,959
Speaker 4: like big people who haven't realized that they're trans yet.

2730
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:39,160
Speaker 1: No.

2731
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:41,080
Speaker 4: No, he's in the pocket of bad big egg.

2732
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that's an act of solidarity. Like as a

2733
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:45,920
Speaker 1: as a man with a giant ball dome, he somewhat

2734
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:48,840
Speaker 1: resembles an egg, so he feels like communion with other eggs.

2735
02:21:48,840 --> 02:21:52,119
Speaker 1: I think that's what he says. Yeah, so okay, that

2736
02:21:52,120 --> 02:21:52,640
Speaker 1: that's the US.

2737
02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:55,560
Speaker 4: At some point, we're gonna do another episode about that

2738
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:59,200
Speaker 4: all of the just fucking absolute dipshits that they elected

2739
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,920
Speaker 4: in the elected in LA who've been doing like just

2740
02:22:01,959 --> 02:22:05,480
Speaker 4: sweeping homeless camps. So fuck them. But that's that's not today.

2741
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:09,480
Speaker 4: We're we're in segonna move to Corbin. So all right,

2742
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:13,080
Speaker 4: So the British last in the beginning of I know

2743
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:16,039
Speaker 4: it's this is like impossible to imagine now, but in

2744
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:19,040
Speaker 4: the beginning of the twenty tens that Britain had a

2745
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:21,600
Speaker 4: vibrant and expanding left they had a bunch of straight movements,

2746
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:24,000
Speaker 4: They had the student protests, they had a bunch of riots,

2747
02:22:24,400 --> 02:22:26,600
Speaker 4: and all of that energy and all of those fucking people,

2748
02:22:27,160 --> 02:22:30,480
Speaker 4: you know, got got sucked up by Corbinism, and Corbin

2749
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:34,800
Speaker 4: lost an election to Boris fucking Johnson, a man who

2750
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:38,320
Speaker 4: was ousted by his own party and replaced by Liz

2751
02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:41,840
Speaker 4: shorter term than a cabbage trust, like you know, and

2752
02:22:41,959 --> 02:22:43,680
Speaker 4: all of these people, all these people I've I've had

2753
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:45,480
Speaker 4: to talk to these people for fucking years and years

2754
02:22:45,480 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 4: and years, right, and their whole thing was like, well, okay, like,

2755
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:50,240
Speaker 4: but the media read the election against us, and the

2756
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:53,440
Speaker 4: Labor Party was trying to stablish just like yeah, no shit,

2757
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:55,960
Speaker 4: what the what the fuck did you expect was going

2758
02:22:55,959 --> 02:22:59,360
Speaker 4: to happen? Did you seriously think if you even like

2759
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,440
Speaker 4: just remotely wanted to challenge capital at all? Did you

2760
02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:06,600
Speaker 4: seriously expect that the poorgeoisie were gonna play by the rules?

2761
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:08,720
Speaker 1: What the fuck did you think was gonna happen?

2762
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:10,879
Speaker 4: Did you think they were just gonna fucking sit there

2763
02:23:10,879 --> 02:23:13,760
Speaker 4: and let you take power because your ideas were somewhat popular, Like, no,

2764
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:15,720
Speaker 4: of course they fucking were. Of course they were going

2765
02:23:15,720 --> 02:23:17,000
Speaker 4: to say what taut you and the whole fucking thing

2766
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:19,400
Speaker 4: about the media. It's like, well, yeah, of course, you know, like, yeah,

2767
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:22,760
Speaker 4: obviously the media in Britain is run by the fucking Burdox.

2768
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:27,440
Speaker 4: Their press isn't unbelievably insanely right wing. Sure, however, coma,

2769
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:30,360
Speaker 4: you guys are the ones who decided to pick an

2770
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:33,200
Speaker 4: arena where your candidate and your entire political project can

2771
02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:36,400
Speaker 4: be sunk by negative press attention. You picked that arena

2772
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:39,160
Speaker 4: to fight, and then on top of that, you ran

2773
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:43,360
Speaker 4: a completely conventional political campaign. Right, Literally, all you did

2774
02:23:43,400 --> 02:23:46,000
Speaker 4: was fucking campus, You ran a completely conventional political campaign,

2775
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:48,160
Speaker 4: and that everyone's fucking Pikachu facing that they had like

2776
02:23:48,200 --> 02:23:50,360
Speaker 4: one of the worst labor losses in modern history, right,

2777
02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:54,440
Speaker 4: Like okay, what what the fuck did you think was

2778
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:55,199
Speaker 4: going to happen?

2779
02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:55,960
Speaker 1: Right?

2780
02:23:56,200 --> 02:23:56,320
Speaker 7: Then?

2781
02:23:56,520 --> 02:23:57,840
Speaker 4: This this is again, this is one of the reasons

2782
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:00,520
Speaker 4: why electoralism doesn't work, because if you're in a field

2783
02:24:00,520 --> 02:24:04,680
Speaker 4: that is entirely about the popularity of one person, and

2784
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:07,520
Speaker 4: there's an entire apparatus that is able, that is better

2785
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:10,040
Speaker 4: able than you to directly communicate to the entire population

2786
02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:13,000
Speaker 4: to tell them that that one person is fucking bad.

2787
02:24:13,240 --> 02:24:16,520
Speaker 4: Of course, you're gonna fucking lose, Like what did you

2788
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:19,080
Speaker 4: think was gonna happen? And now you know the Labor

2789
02:24:19,080 --> 02:24:21,560
Speaker 4: Party is run by Cure Starmer, who is like the

2790
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,519
Speaker 4: most right wing labor candidate since like Tony Blair.

2791
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:26,800
Speaker 1: He prosecuted the people who were in the streets in

2792
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:29,879
Speaker 1: twenty ten. Right, Like that that is where we've got

2793
02:24:29,879 --> 02:24:33,040
Speaker 1: to now. It's like we have a choice between like

2794
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:37,120
Speaker 1: Ricci like send gunboats into the channel to smink sink

2795
02:24:37,160 --> 02:24:40,040
Speaker 1: the small ship Sunak and the guy who wants to

2796
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:42,400
Speaker 1: look you up for taking a bottle of water from

2797
02:24:42,440 --> 02:24:44,600
Speaker 1: boots in twenty ten.

2798
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:47,160
Speaker 4: Like it's yeah, it's not a choice. And that's and

2799
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:49,760
Speaker 4: like the corporate left has been basically completely liquidated. The

2800
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:51,640
Speaker 4: only thing that's left if you are these media organizations

2801
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:53,600
Speaker 4: who are all attacking right as fast as they can

2802
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:56,320
Speaker 4: possibly fucking move because that's where the fucking money is

2803
02:24:56,320 --> 02:24:58,280
Speaker 4: and because you know Starmar actually used to be a

2804
02:24:58,280 --> 02:25:00,600
Speaker 4: trotsky Ie and all of these people. No, but the

2805
02:25:00,600 --> 02:25:02,440
Speaker 4: way you actually if if you were on the left

2806
02:25:02,440 --> 02:25:04,200
Speaker 4: and you want to take electoral power in Britain, the

2807
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:06,280
Speaker 4: way you do it has become a conservative and it

2808
02:25:06,320 --> 02:25:06,760
Speaker 4: will work.

2809
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, look look at Tony Blair, right,

2810
02:25:10,360 --> 02:25:14,359
Speaker 1: he was extremely successful in like criminalizing being a teenager

2811
02:25:14,440 --> 02:25:18,560
Speaker 1: and these insanely right wing policies. Again, people aren't familiar

2812
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:20,800
Speaker 1: with anti social behavior orders in Britain. They should, they

2813
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:23,560
Speaker 1: should look them up. And oh my god, machines that

2814
02:25:23,640 --> 02:25:26,039
Speaker 1: make noise to keep young people out of public space,

2815
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:29,400
Speaker 1: like to fully yeah, like the shit he was doing

2816
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:33,080
Speaker 1: was insane. And but if youople continue to well, look

2817
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Britain's electoral system. If you think America's electoral system as fucked,

2818
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:40,680
Speaker 1: check out first past the Post, like fully insane. One

2819
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:42,680
Speaker 1: of the areas I lived when I was a kid, Like,

2820
02:25:43,080 --> 02:25:45,720
Speaker 1: you just didn't have an option. There was some like

2821
02:25:46,040 --> 02:25:49,320
Speaker 1: someone named Giles or a similar kind of like Giles

2822
02:25:49,360 --> 02:25:53,039
Speaker 1: vibing name, or a token Lib DEM candidate, and like,

2823
02:25:53,400 --> 02:25:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, Marmaduke was your only choice really, like like,

2824
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:58,560
Speaker 1: which is why I did not engage in the practice

2825
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:01,080
Speaker 1: of voting in the United Kingdom. But yeah, it is

2826
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:02,600
Speaker 1: a funck system.

2827
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And again it's like, well, yeah, you chose a

2828
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:08,440
Speaker 4: rigged system to participate in in the first place. And

2829
02:26:08,480 --> 02:26:11,560
Speaker 4: then it's like, well you lost, well yeah, it was like, yes,

2830
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:13,920
Speaker 4: you can complain that it was rigged against you. But

2831
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,080
Speaker 4: you should have known that going in, if you were

2832
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:18,400
Speaker 4: genuinely serious about taking power, you had to know that,

2833
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:22,000
Speaker 4: and you fucking didn't, And now your entire country has

2834
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:26,840
Speaker 4: been absolutely destroyed. So that's the UK, and we're going down.

2835
02:26:26,840 --> 02:26:29,199
Speaker 4: And so from there we're going to pivot to Latin America,

2836
02:26:29,320 --> 02:26:31,640
Speaker 4: where there is a very very long history. In fact,

2837
02:26:31,800 --> 02:26:33,959
Speaker 4: a lot of the Latin America parties we'll be talking

2838
02:26:33,959 --> 02:26:36,600
Speaker 4: about mostly aren't even parties that took over from the

2839
02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:40,320
Speaker 4: momentum of twenty eleven like uprisings. They're from like the

2840
02:26:40,400 --> 02:26:44,039
Speaker 4: two thousand and one movements, people who hijacked like two

2841
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:46,800
Speaker 4: generations back of social movements by this point.

2842
02:26:47,440 --> 02:26:49,280
Speaker 1: And I think that the post twenty eleven stuff was

2843
02:26:49,320 --> 02:26:51,720
Speaker 1: inspired by the pink wave stuff in Latin America, right,

2844
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:53,280
Speaker 1: like it goes around in the circle.

2845
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, So so now we're going to check in on

2846
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:57,760
Speaker 4: how the pink tide's doing. The answer is absolutely dog shit.

2847
02:26:58,120 --> 02:27:03,840
Speaker 4: So we're gonna go to Ecuador first. So, okay, Ecuador

2848
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:06,680
Speaker 4: is right now a complete fucking disaster. It shouldn't be

2849
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:10,720
Speaker 4: like this though. In theory, Correa is like the is

2850
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,160
Speaker 4: the guy and he's like the leftist guy in Ecuador.

2851
02:27:13,240 --> 02:27:15,480
Speaker 4: He's like he is their guy who came out of

2852
02:27:15,480 --> 02:27:18,920
Speaker 4: the pink tide, and in theory, his party should win

2853
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 4: like basically every Ecuadorian election from now to the end

2854
02:27:22,520 --> 02:27:26,199
Speaker 4: of time. They should, in theory have the easiest job

2855
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:29,440
Speaker 4: of like every every any electoralers we're talking about, in

2856
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:31,920
Speaker 4: this party, they have had. They had a decade in

2857
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:35,199
Speaker 4: power to just completely destroy all of their political oppositions

2858
02:27:35,320 --> 02:27:37,520
Speaker 4: and you know, to completely rebuild the economy and political

2859
02:27:37,560 --> 02:27:39,080
Speaker 4: landshape in a way that would have made the right

2860
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:45,120
Speaker 4: taking power impossible. Instead, his party is completely unelectable and

2861
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:47,560
Speaker 4: have an out of power for eight fucking years. After

2862
02:27:47,959 --> 02:27:50,440
Speaker 4: Lennon Moreno, who is the guy that they literally the

2863
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:52,720
Speaker 4: hand picked guy that they picked to run their own

2864
02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:56,640
Speaker 4: party purge them all, tried to have Correa arrested and

2865
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:00,720
Speaker 4: spent the entire rest of his career being a right winger. Now,

2866
02:28:01,080 --> 02:28:03,840
Speaker 4: even after even after they got purged for their own

2867
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:05,800
Speaker 4: party by the guy that they handpicked to put into

2868
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:07,280
Speaker 4: power decks after they would turned out to be a

2869
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:10,800
Speaker 4: right winger, even after that happened, they still should have

2870
02:28:10,879 --> 02:28:13,880
Speaker 4: been able to win like every fucking election. However, KMA

2871
02:28:14,879 --> 02:28:18,920
Speaker 4: Korea instead of like doing normal leftist stuff, spent like

2872
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:21,920
Speaker 4: his entire career sending riot police to beat the shit

2873
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:24,200
Speaker 4: out of the digitus eychological protesters who didn't want them

2874
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:26,720
Speaker 4: drinking water to be poisoned by minds, which means there

2875
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:30,920
Speaker 4: were a huge number of like indigenous leftists who should

2876
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:34,119
Speaker 4: be part of like the left wing base, who Wilma,

2877
02:28:34,320 --> 02:28:37,080
Speaker 4: under any circumstances vote for Korea even if he was

2878
02:28:37,160 --> 02:28:41,240
Speaker 4: running against literally the devil, because he fucking beat the

2879
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:44,520
Speaker 4: shit out of them, like fuck you like and you know,

2880
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:50,000
Speaker 4: and this one I should briefly explain, like, Okay, this

2881
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:53,120
Speaker 4: is this is obviously a very very simplified this is yes,

2882
02:28:53,200 --> 02:28:55,160
Speaker 4: a political I mean, I'm gonna do a political compass

2883
02:28:55,200 --> 02:29:00,200
Speaker 4: thing that's very simplified, but I think gets across one

2884
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:04,920
Speaker 4: of the major kind of like breaks in a lot

2885
02:29:04,920 --> 02:29:07,280
Speaker 4: of Latin American countries that have real lefts and also

2886
02:29:07,320 --> 02:29:11,039
Speaker 4: whose economies are largely based on resource extraction, which is

2887
02:29:11,080 --> 02:29:13,400
Speaker 4: that Okay, so you know, you have you have your

2888
02:29:13,480 --> 02:29:15,320
Speaker 4: kind of political compass like you would in the US,

2889
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:17,160
Speaker 4: you have a let you have a left right axis,

2890
02:29:17,800 --> 02:29:20,400
Speaker 4: but in a lot of these countries, the updown access

2891
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:25,160
Speaker 4: isn't like statist anti status. The updown access is on

2892
02:29:25,240 --> 02:29:27,959
Speaker 4: the one hand you have like developmental extractivists and on

2893
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:31,680
Speaker 4: the other hand you have ecological anti extractivists.

2894
02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:34,640
Speaker 1: So what this means in.

2895
02:29:34,560 --> 02:29:39,200
Speaker 4: Practice is there's this giant divide over whether or not

2896
02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:42,480
Speaker 4: you should do drilling on indigenous land. So for example,

2897
02:29:42,480 --> 02:29:44,879
Speaker 4: you have the current right wing Ecuadorian government which is

2898
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:47,000
Speaker 4: extractivist in right wing, and this means they think you

2899
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:49,160
Speaker 4: should drill on indigenous land and you should take all

2900
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:50,360
Speaker 4: of the money you get from that and give it

2901
02:29:50,400 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 4: the rich people. There is you know, Korea's government was

2902
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:57,680
Speaker 4: extractivist and left wing, which means that you know, you

2903
02:29:57,920 --> 02:30:00,000
Speaker 4: you do, you do all the mining on indigenous land,

2904
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:01,080
Speaker 4: then you take the money and you give it to

2905
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:04,959
Speaker 4: a welfare state. And then opposed to him was a

2906
02:30:04,959 --> 02:30:09,080
Speaker 4: bunch of anti extractivists, indigenous ecological groups who want redistribution,

2907
02:30:09,560 --> 02:30:12,959
Speaker 4: but they don't want like they don't want people poisoning

2908
02:30:12,959 --> 02:30:17,480
Speaker 4: their water with minds, so they oppost Korea because they

2909
02:30:17,480 --> 02:30:19,720
Speaker 4: don't want their shit mind And then there's also Krea

2910
02:30:19,760 --> 02:30:22,720
Speaker 4: is also opposed by these like liberal environmental NGOs who

2911
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:26,840
Speaker 4: like don't want the Amazon destroyed, but also like poor

2912
02:30:26,879 --> 02:30:31,320
Speaker 4: people can go fuck themselves. And this this has made

2913
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,800
Speaker 4: the way the consolation of these things have worked out

2914
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:37,280
Speaker 4: means that like that what should be like a pretty

2915
02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:41,160
Speaker 4: normal left right political alignment thing has gone completely nuts.

2916
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,200
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of like there's a bunch of sort

2917
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:45,360
Speaker 4: of like econological indigenous groups who have gone hard, who

2918
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:47,200
Speaker 4: have like swung right because the right wingers are the

2919
02:30:47,240 --> 02:30:50,400
Speaker 4: only people who will support them against Korea. Meanwhile, the

2920
02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:54,320
Speaker 4: actual like indigenous electoral opposition in his various forms is

2921
02:30:54,360 --> 02:30:57,760
Speaker 4: a complete fucking disaster. Patrick Cutik, which is like the

2922
02:30:57,959 --> 02:31:00,680
Speaker 4: this is the like the big sort of like indigenous

2923
02:31:00,840 --> 02:31:04,240
Speaker 4: electoral alliance. They keep running this guy named yaku Perez,

2924
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:08,160
Speaker 4: who is like he's like the only person in the

2925
02:31:08,360 --> 02:31:12,039
Speaker 4: entirety of Ecuador who's more unelectable than Korea. Is like

2926
02:31:12,120 --> 02:31:15,280
Speaker 4: nobody fucking even even the additions opposition to Korea like

2927
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:20,199
Speaker 4: doesn't like him. So and and then you know, eventually

2928
02:31:20,840 --> 02:31:23,840
Speaker 4: Jakuperez like left the party, but it doesn't really matter

2929
02:31:23,879 --> 02:31:26,760
Speaker 4: because they still just lose every single election. The the

2930
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:30,080
Speaker 4: left just there's completely dysfunctional, and you know there's there's

2931
02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 4: other like things going on here. Too, which is that like,

2932
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:36,560
Speaker 4: for example, Korea is like has an unbelievably hardline anti

2933
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:40,360
Speaker 4: abortion stance, Like he he threatened to resign if his

2934
02:31:40,440 --> 02:31:42,959
Speaker 4: party tried to pass legislation that would allow abortion in

2935
02:31:43,000 --> 02:31:45,760
Speaker 4: the case of rape. Like that's how anti abortioned this

2936
02:31:45,800 --> 02:31:50,120
Speaker 4: guy is. Fucking that's bad. This is like like, okay, yes,

2937
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:52,920
Speaker 4: this is this is this is a very very Catholic country, right.

2938
02:31:54,520 --> 02:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Even by that standards, that's fucking nuts, Like yeah, Jesus Christ, Yeah,

2939
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:01,720
Speaker 1: that that's rough. You know.

2940
02:32:01,879 --> 02:32:05,199
Speaker 4: So the product of this is that a a country

2941
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:08,000
Speaker 4: that has a like a decently centered left electoral like

2942
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,800
Speaker 4: electorate in theory.

2943
02:32:09,560 --> 02:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Has produced three straight conservative governments.

2944
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:12,160
Speaker 8: Uh.

2945
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:15,560
Speaker 4: These governments have absolutely annihilated the Ecuadorian economy and the

2946
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:19,400
Speaker 4: welfare state and left it prey to like to organize crime.

2947
02:32:19,480 --> 02:32:22,440
Speaker 4: Who you know, unlike the just completely dysfunctional electorian state

2948
02:32:22,440 --> 02:32:25,200
Speaker 4: can at least provide like a semi stable income. But

2949
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:28,080
Speaker 4: the downside of this is that they're organized crime, so

2950
02:32:29,360 --> 02:32:34,240
Speaker 4: you know, not things going very badly. You've probably seen

2951
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:36,920
Speaker 4: some of the like absolutely wild videos of stuff of

2952
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:40,880
Speaker 4: like people storming like like armed groups just like storming

2953
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:46,359
Speaker 4: like TV stations. They assassinate. They'vessassinated actually several presidential candidates.

2954
02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, that was it's been there on a wild one. Yeah,

2955
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:54,640
Speaker 1: it's it's really bad. On Christmas Eve, if I was

2956
02:32:54,680 --> 02:32:58,640
Speaker 1: talking to a family from Ecuador who's gone to the

2957
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:00,560
Speaker 1: US to get some medical treatment for the son who

2958
02:33:00,680 --> 02:33:03,400
Speaker 1: very manifestly needed help, and they were telling me like

2959
02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:07,440
Speaker 1: just of their life experiences and like it was bad.

2960
02:33:08,320 --> 02:33:11,480
Speaker 1: It was like I've been to some places where violence

2961
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:14,039
Speaker 1: it happens, and like the stuff that they were telling

2962
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:15,240
Speaker 1: me was shocking.

2963
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:19,920
Speaker 4: It's gotten really, really bad since basically between twenty fifteen

2964
02:33:19,959 --> 02:33:24,080
Speaker 4: and twenty seventeen, and it's just progressively gotten worse. As

2965
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:27,520
Speaker 4: He's right, when governments have stayed in power, and you know,

2966
02:33:27,640 --> 02:33:30,959
Speaker 4: right now, right now, there hasn't been an alternative to

2967
02:33:30,959 --> 02:33:33,200
Speaker 4: them because the electoralists toured again. The people who are

2968
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,680
Speaker 4: supposed to be serious about taking power are just a

2969
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:39,080
Speaker 4: complete fucking disaster and can't do anything.

2970
02:33:39,879 --> 02:33:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Career can't literally can't go back to Ecuador now, right,

2971
02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:45,879
Speaker 1: I think he might be. I think he can go back.

2972
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:46,040
Speaker 7: Now.

2973
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:47,560
Speaker 4: There was a while where there was a war and

2974
02:33:47,560 --> 02:33:51,840
Speaker 4: out for his arrest. I think he's back now, Okay, yeah,

2975
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:54,199
Speaker 4: but the ray.

2976
02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:54,879
Speaker 1: Of lighte for ecuadors.

2977
02:33:54,920 --> 02:33:58,000
Speaker 4: The Ecuador still has a lot of very like of

2978
02:33:58,879 --> 02:34:02,000
Speaker 4: very militant street movement who have been winning, have actually

2979
02:34:02,040 --> 02:34:05,000
Speaker 4: been like winning concessions from governments when they go when

2980
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:08,720
Speaker 4: they go into the streets. So that's good inter law.

2981
02:34:08,800 --> 02:34:10,640
Speaker 4: One day the electorals get the fuck out of their

2982
02:34:10,680 --> 02:34:15,480
Speaker 4: way and they win. But hasn't happened yet. Things are

2983
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:18,560
Speaker 4: really bleak. On that note. Do you know what's not really.

2984
02:34:18,320 --> 02:34:25,480
Speaker 1: Bleak the possibility of buying gold coins. Yeah, to insulate

2985
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:29,720
Speaker 1: ourselves against inflation. Yep. You'd be stoked if you had

2986
02:34:29,720 --> 02:34:33,120
Speaker 1: a ton of gold, neck kudo, wouldn't you? Currency has

2987
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:35,080
Speaker 1: gone to ship sitting on your pile of gold like

2988
02:34:35,080 --> 02:34:48,720
Speaker 1: Scrooge McDuck, you'd be you'd be living the dream.

2989
02:34:48,760 --> 02:34:51,640
Speaker 4: All right, And we're back. So all right, we're gonna

2990
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:55,000
Speaker 4: take a couple of other take a few other places

2991
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:59,560
Speaker 4: that the electoral left has won in uh Chavismo is

2992
02:34:59,640 --> 02:35:04,279
Speaker 4: dead as door nail. Maduro's slashing pensions, alarizing the economies,

2993
02:35:04,280 --> 02:35:06,200
Speaker 4: cutting a bunch of deals with American oil companies, and

2994
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:08,800
Speaker 4: has arrested leadership the Venezuelan Commnist Party again.

2995
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Keeps doing this.

2996
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:15,240
Speaker 4: So, you know, things things going great, like obviously not

2997
02:35:15,440 --> 02:35:19,440
Speaker 4: helped by the blockade, which is very bad, but like,

2998
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:22,800
Speaker 4: you know, not great Marina, which we're not going to

2999
02:35:22,840 --> 02:35:25,600
Speaker 4: talk an enormous At some point we're gonna like actually

3000
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:29,640
Speaker 4: do a thing like actually go talk to the Zapatistas.

3001
02:35:29,800 --> 02:35:34,879
Speaker 4: But things are not good there right now. So the

3002
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:39,680
Speaker 4: left in theory kind of has taken power in Mexico. Unfortunately,

3003
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,760
Speaker 4: the moment they took power, they immediately tacked right, handed

3004
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:45,279
Speaker 4: control of vast swaths of the country over to the military,

3005
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:47,720
Speaker 4: built a train through a bunch of indigenous land and

3006
02:35:47,720 --> 02:35:49,439
Speaker 4: then gave that to the military.

3007
02:35:50,120 --> 02:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, switched to a bunch of military come ons around

3008
02:35:52,600 --> 02:35:55,480
Speaker 1: because they like claimed that the old guys were corrupt.

3009
02:35:57,080 --> 02:35:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you know, and one of the other

3010
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:01,160
Speaker 4: things that is really bleak about it was that, like

3011
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:06,400
Speaker 4: the whole premise of Omlo like coming into power was

3012
02:36:06,600 --> 02:36:08,600
Speaker 4: like he ran in the campaign hugs not bullets, right,

3013
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:10,000
Speaker 4: His whole thing was he was supposed to be ending

3014
02:36:10,040 --> 02:36:10,800
Speaker 4: the war on drugs.

3015
02:36:10,879 --> 02:36:13,880
Speaker 1: Did he end the war on drugs? Absolutely? Not of

3016
02:36:13,879 --> 02:36:17,280
Speaker 1: power to the military. People still getting fucking slaughtered. Yeah,

3017
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I definitely saw a bunch of dudes

3018
02:36:19,080 --> 02:36:22,120
Speaker 1: in ski mask with a fifty cow chilling just the

3019
02:36:22,160 --> 02:36:25,800
Speaker 1: other side of the border, yeah, by the government two

3020
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:26,400
Speaker 1: days ago.

3021
02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:29,080
Speaker 4: And and and instead of doing that, he's also been

3022
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:32,599
Speaker 4: like continuing to like escalating the war against his appatistas

3023
02:36:32,680 --> 02:36:35,720
Speaker 4: who have been getting just like people getting fucking murdered

3024
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:39,680
Speaker 4: by a bunch of these government backed para militaries. It's

3025
02:36:40,320 --> 02:36:41,760
Speaker 4: really fucking bleak out.

3026
02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:42,320
Speaker 1: There right now.

3027
02:36:43,280 --> 02:36:43,520
Speaker 12: Yeah.

3028
02:36:43,560 --> 02:36:45,000
Speaker 1: So that that that's been, that's been.

3029
02:36:44,920 --> 02:36:48,480
Speaker 4: The legacy of Omlo finally winning a Mexican election is

3030
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:52,480
Speaker 4: the most bright winging possible. Omlo governments, like I will

3031
02:36:52,480 --> 02:36:54,760
Speaker 4: say they're better on trans stuff than everyone, like the

3032
02:36:54,800 --> 02:36:58,480
Speaker 4: other parties who were all completely nuts, but that's about

3033
02:36:58,520 --> 02:36:59,560
Speaker 4: the only bright spot.

3034
02:37:00,400 --> 02:37:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, like they were in bilfteral negotiations with

3035
02:37:03,760 --> 02:37:06,080
Speaker 1: the US, and like when the US clicked its fingers

3036
02:37:06,120 --> 02:37:08,600
Speaker 1: and said shut down these gaps in the border, they

3037
02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:11,039
Speaker 1: sent a bunch of National guards. So I'll just to

3038
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:12,640
Speaker 1: sit right at the gap in the border war.

3039
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:14,440
Speaker 4: They've been They been doing a bunch of just like

3040
02:37:14,520 --> 02:37:18,160
Speaker 4: horrific anti border shit. Imil was also just like pretty

3041
02:37:18,160 --> 02:37:20,720
Speaker 4: friendly with Trump, which.

3042
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a populist thing there.

3043
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:26,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that fucking sucks. And so we're going to

3044
02:37:26,440 --> 02:37:30,480
Speaker 4: close on the maas Oh boy. So there's been a

3045
02:37:30,520 --> 02:37:36,520
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff happening in Bolivia that I don't I

3046
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:42,760
Speaker 4: don't think most Americans have heard much about. So the

3047
02:37:42,840 --> 02:37:48,840
Speaker 4: Maasment movement for socialism, there's some other shit, but yeah,

3048
02:37:48,879 --> 02:37:51,720
Speaker 4: they are well okay, So for most of the time

3049
02:37:51,760 --> 02:37:55,120
Speaker 4: they've existed, it's been even more Alse's party. However, Comma

3050
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:59,240
Speaker 4: it was always kind of a weird coalition because the

3051
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:05,080
Speaker 4: MAS is this coalition between like the social movements, and

3052
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:07,480
Speaker 4: in this context, like people say social movements, this includes

3053
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:10,840
Speaker 4: like you know, like giant like movement groups, but also

3054
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:14,200
Speaker 4: like unions and stuff. So it was a coalition of

3055
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:18,200
Speaker 4: these unions and these like developmentalist capitalists who are well

3056
02:38:18,360 --> 02:38:21,160
Speaker 4: together by evil morallies and some of his allies, and

3057
02:38:21,360 --> 02:38:23,720
Speaker 4: you know, the sort of common ground of forging a

3058
02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:28,640
Speaker 4: like quote unquote indigenous Florid national state that's based on

3059
02:38:28,840 --> 02:38:31,879
Speaker 4: like based on forging a welfare state, based on like

3060
02:38:32,040 --> 02:38:36,080
Speaker 4: mining and extractive stuff and like oil drilling and stuff,

3061
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:39,600
Speaker 4: and also based on the emersions of this new sort

3062
02:38:39,640 --> 02:38:42,640
Speaker 4: of indigenous middle class. Right now, it has split in

3063
02:38:42,680 --> 02:38:47,400
Speaker 4: two between an Evil Morales faction and who was the

3064
02:38:47,400 --> 02:38:49,480
Speaker 4: foreign president, was president for a very very long time,

3065
02:38:49,920 --> 02:38:53,080
Speaker 4: and Luis Octre, who was the who is the current

3066
02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:55,720
Speaker 4: president Oblivia, but has been kicked out of the MS

3067
02:38:56,120 --> 02:38:57,360
Speaker 4: by EVO and his faction.

3068
02:38:58,040 --> 02:38:59,640
Speaker 1: So this is a disaster.

3069
02:39:00,520 --> 02:39:04,120
Speaker 4: They both of them, both Okra and Evil Morales, have

3070
02:39:04,200 --> 02:39:07,560
Speaker 4: these they have a lot of personal alliances within the

3071
02:39:07,560 --> 02:39:10,320
Speaker 4: social movements, and this means it's been a very very

3072
02:39:10,360 --> 02:39:11,000
Speaker 4: messy split.

3073
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:14,119
Speaker 1: And you know, this is not okay.

3074
02:39:14,240 --> 02:39:16,959
Speaker 4: If you look at these two people, you would expect

3075
02:39:17,000 --> 02:39:21,160
Speaker 4: it to be an ideological split because acres from like

3076
02:39:21,360 --> 02:39:23,760
Speaker 4: the developmentalist right of the party. Like he was he

3077
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:26,760
Speaker 4: was a banker, he's been in charge of the Bolivian

3078
02:39:26,840 --> 02:39:28,920
Speaker 4: Central Bank for a long time. He was like finance minister,

3079
02:39:29,680 --> 02:39:33,280
Speaker 4: so he's from like the center right, like developmentalist faction

3080
02:39:33,320 --> 02:39:35,920
Speaker 4: of the party. Evo technically speaking, has been the representative

3081
02:39:36,040 --> 02:39:39,440
Speaker 4: of like the the sort of like the social movement

3082
02:39:39,440 --> 02:39:41,920
Speaker 4: faction of the party. He has a lot of allies

3083
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:45,120
Speaker 4: in a lot of coca growers union stuff like that.

3084
02:39:45,879 --> 02:39:49,440
Speaker 4: But it hasn't broken like that because this isn't an

3085
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:52,200
Speaker 4: ideological fight. This is just these two guys, both want

3086
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:55,959
Speaker 4: to be presidents and so they've they've literally torn the

3087
02:39:56,120 --> 02:39:59,600
Speaker 4: entire Bolivian left in two over over this fucking bullshit.

3088
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, never before happened on the left. Two dudes wanting

3089
02:40:03,560 --> 02:40:04,400
Speaker 1: to be in charge.

3090
02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:07,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is this has been really really messy,

3091
02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:11,080
Speaker 4: and it's not breaking down the way. It's not breaking

3092
02:40:11,080 --> 02:40:14,240
Speaker 4: cleanly politically down because there's a lot of like people

3093
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:16,240
Speaker 4: from the anti extractivist left of the party who are

3094
02:40:16,280 --> 02:40:18,439
Speaker 4: pissed off of the way that EVO has like personally

3095
02:40:18,440 --> 02:40:20,080
Speaker 4: tried to seize control of what are supposed to be

3096
02:40:20,120 --> 02:40:23,560
Speaker 4: independent social movements. And I know people hear that and

3097
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:26,120
Speaker 4: are like, wait, what's what's the problem with like social

3098
02:40:26,120 --> 02:40:28,119
Speaker 4: movements being integrated with the state, because like we don't.

3099
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:32,080
Speaker 4: The US doesn't have social movements, like not not in

3100
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:34,720
Speaker 4: the way that like that Latin America has them. Like

3101
02:40:35,120 --> 02:40:37,840
Speaker 4: DLM is the closest thing that we have to that.

3102
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:43,960
Speaker 4: But imagine if like BLM was like an actual leftist group,

3103
02:40:44,040 --> 02:40:46,840
Speaker 4: like the actual like organization Black Lives Matter, Yeah, like

3104
02:40:46,840 --> 02:40:49,879
Speaker 4: capitalism Yeah, yeah, it was like it was like it

3105
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:52,040
Speaker 4: was like a leftist group that would like lead protests

3106
02:40:52,080 --> 02:40:54,160
Speaker 4: and strikes and ship like we do. We don't have that.

3107
02:40:54,120 --> 02:40:56,680
Speaker 4: That's like not a thing here, and so mostly when

3108
02:40:56,720 --> 02:40:58,400
Speaker 4: when people hear about the stuff, they're like, wait, what

3109
02:40:58,400 --> 02:40:59,920
Speaker 4: what does that mean? Like why why are we com

3110
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:03,200
Speaker 4: planning that like these that social movements are being like

3111
02:41:03,240 --> 02:41:06,039
Speaker 4: folded into the state or like folded into this bureaucratic apparatus.

3112
02:41:06,120 --> 02:41:08,200
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna run through an example of what that

3113
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:10,600
Speaker 4: looks like in practice. So we're gonna we're gonna talk

3114
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:13,160
Speaker 4: about the could briefly talk about the Confederation of Indigenous

3115
02:41:13,160 --> 02:41:15,200
Speaker 4: Peoples of Bolivia.

3116
02:41:15,360 --> 02:41:18,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, based, yeah, so we follow flag.

3117
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:21,959
Speaker 4: I didn't have anything in there on it. It is

3118
02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:25,400
Speaker 4: very funny, given given what we're about to talk about.

3119
02:41:25,440 --> 02:41:27,040
Speaker 4: It is very funny that all of the pro am

3120
02:41:27,040 --> 02:41:30,440
Speaker 4: as people in in in the US had that as

3121
02:41:30,480 --> 02:41:32,560
Speaker 4: their flag, as like they had that flag as their

3122
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:34,160
Speaker 4: profile picture when this coup was going on.

3123
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:38,080
Speaker 1: It's one of the cool oft flags out there. It rips,

3124
02:41:38,120 --> 02:41:38,680
Speaker 1: it does rip.

3125
02:41:39,080 --> 02:41:41,040
Speaker 4: So so back in twenty eleven, this is like, this

3126
02:41:41,080 --> 02:41:45,000
Speaker 4: is like eight years before the coup, the Confederation of

3127
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:48,800
Speaker 4: Indigenous People of Bolivia opposed building this road through projected

3128
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:51,280
Speaker 4: indigenous territory that the government was trying to force through.

3129
02:41:51,959 --> 02:41:55,000
Speaker 4: So they opposed it. Their opposition didn't do anything. They

3130
02:41:55,240 --> 02:41:58,240
Speaker 4: you know, they joined in this enormous protest movement against

3131
02:41:58,240 --> 02:42:03,000
Speaker 4: this road construction, even when his supporters had the confederation's

3132
02:42:03,080 --> 02:42:05,720
Speaker 4: offices stormed by riot police and tried to replace his

3133
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:10,920
Speaker 4: leadership with loyalists. This failed initially, and the you know,

3134
02:42:10,959 --> 02:42:13,879
Speaker 4: so the the Confederation of Indigenous People's Oblivia had been

3135
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:16,880
Speaker 4: part of the like of the mas's like formal alliance,

3136
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,440
Speaker 4: right and after that they were like fuck you man,

3137
02:42:19,440 --> 02:42:19,920
Speaker 4: we're out.

3138
02:42:20,400 --> 02:42:20,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

3139
02:42:21,160 --> 02:42:24,160
Speaker 4: They left, and then the confederation split between the groups

3140
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:27,440
Speaker 4: who were pro EVO and everyone else. So another faction

3141
02:42:27,640 --> 02:42:30,800
Speaker 4: of the confederation split from the regular confederation and went

3142
02:42:30,879 --> 02:42:33,840
Speaker 4: back and joined and calling themselves the same thing, and

3143
02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:36,680
Speaker 4: went back and joined the MS again. So like this

3144
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:38,720
Speaker 4: is a shit show, right, and a lot of it

3145
02:42:38,760 --> 02:42:40,800
Speaker 4: is like you know, it's it's it's comes down to

3146
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:43,000
Speaker 4: these sort of like loyalty testings, like are you willing

3147
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:45,680
Speaker 4: to back every single thing that EVO wants to do

3148
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:48,520
Speaker 4: And if you're not, like they're going to their faction.

3149
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:50,560
Speaker 4: And this is the thing that like this happens in

3150
02:42:50,600 --> 02:42:52,800
Speaker 4: the fucking DSA all the time, right, Like everyone in

3151
02:42:52,840 --> 02:42:55,040
Speaker 4: the DSA is constantly trying to purge every other faction

3152
02:42:55,080 --> 02:42:58,360
Speaker 4: to install their loyalists, like in charge of whatever fucking

3153
02:42:58,400 --> 02:43:01,640
Speaker 4: working group. Right, but you know this is happening in

3154
02:43:01,680 --> 02:43:03,600
Speaker 4: a place where the left actually has power, which means

3155
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:06,640
Speaker 4: that instead of like you know a series of weird

3156
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:10,360
Speaker 4: elections and like purging people from positions, you're storming their

3157
02:43:10,400 --> 02:43:14,039
Speaker 4: offices of riot police. Yeah, this is why a lot

3158
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:15,520
Speaker 4: of sort of groups so you would expect to be

3159
02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:19,720
Speaker 4: backing evil Art and are backing Okra instead. But really, truly,

3160
02:43:20,040 --> 02:43:23,320
Speaker 4: this is just two guys having a Dick Waven contest.

3161
02:43:23,840 --> 02:43:28,520
Speaker 4: By this is what happens when you do electoralism. Yeah,

3162
02:43:29,080 --> 02:43:30,760
Speaker 4: but you know it's also worth mentioning the reason we're

3163
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:32,800
Speaker 4: in this situation in the first place is that Evo

3164
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:36,760
Speaker 4: refused to, just like in twenty nineteen, refuse to just

3165
02:43:36,840 --> 02:43:40,200
Speaker 4: let someone else in his party run, Like if literally

3166
02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:43,400
Speaker 4: anyone else had run, the MAAS would have just trivially

3167
02:43:43,400 --> 02:43:45,240
Speaker 4: easily won the election. There wouldn't have been a coup,

3168
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:47,240
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have even been the potential to do one.

3169
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:50,840
Speaker 4: But he refused because he wants to personally be in power,

3170
02:43:51,240 --> 02:43:53,280
Speaker 4: and this is what allows the twenty nineteen coup to happen.

3171
02:43:53,320 --> 02:43:55,240
Speaker 4: And the second, the second reason that we're here now

3172
02:43:55,360 --> 02:43:56,800
Speaker 4: is that in twenty twenty one, and I.

3173
02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Don't think I don't think most American left is like

3174
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:00,480
Speaker 1: know about this. I think people know about the coup.

3175
02:44:00,480 --> 02:44:03,120
Speaker 4: I don't think people know about the stuff that happened

3176
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:05,000
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, which is that there was this

3177
02:44:05,320 --> 02:44:09,840
Speaker 4: massive series of there was this massive series of like

3178
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:12,400
Speaker 4: barricades that went up to bring down the coup government.

3179
02:44:12,440 --> 02:44:14,480
Speaker 4: So this is the thing that happens periodically in Bolivia.

3180
02:44:14,520 --> 02:44:16,600
Speaker 4: This is like, this is how the social movements took

3181
02:44:16,600 --> 02:44:19,279
Speaker 4: power in the first place, is that they you know, Bolivia,

3182
02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:22,840
Speaker 4: because of the way the terrain works, very very mountainous country,

3183
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:25,400
Speaker 4: very narrow roads, not many roads into a place.

3184
02:44:25,440 --> 02:44:27,800
Speaker 1: You could just block all of the roads.

3185
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:28,960
Speaker 4: That go into the capitol, and you can you can

3186
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:32,640
Speaker 4: shut down the entire country's economy by just doing these roadblocks.

3187
02:44:33,280 --> 02:44:35,240
Speaker 4: They very nearly this is actually like again the origin

3188
02:44:35,240 --> 02:44:38,240
Speaker 4: of the NIS is that they very nearly like completely

3189
02:44:38,280 --> 02:44:40,240
Speaker 4: destroyed the belief in government with this in two thousand

3190
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:42,720
Speaker 4: and six, and then Evo pulled his people off the

3191
02:44:42,760 --> 02:44:44,840
Speaker 4: barricades and was like, no, we're gonna do an election.

3192
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:46,720
Speaker 4: He easily wins the election because he's you know, he's

3193
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:48,560
Speaker 4: doing the things we've been talking about this whole episode,

3194
02:44:48,760 --> 02:44:51,800
Speaker 4: which is harnessing the power of the social movements in

3195
02:44:51,879 --> 02:44:54,920
Speaker 4: order to get elected. And it works, like he becomes president.

3196
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:58,840
Speaker 4: But you know, in twenty twenty one, it happens again,

3197
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:03,240
Speaker 4: and the these groups are getting very close. They've they've

3198
02:45:03,280 --> 02:45:05,360
Speaker 4: they've done enough damage that they forced the coup government

3199
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:07,920
Speaker 4: to like actually have elections, which they didn't want to have.

3200
02:45:08,760 --> 02:45:12,040
Speaker 4: But they're on the verge of like actually knocking the

3201
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:15,440
Speaker 4: government out of power. And Evo once again pulls all

3202
02:45:15,480 --> 02:45:17,640
Speaker 4: of his people off the barricades because he doesn't want

3203
02:45:17,720 --> 02:45:20,119
Speaker 4: the barricades to like disrupt his chance of winning the election.

3204
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:24,800
Speaker 4: And so instead of like bringing down this government and

3205
02:45:24,840 --> 02:45:29,600
Speaker 4: like ushering in like sweeping like left ering reforms whatever

3206
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:31,879
Speaker 4: on like the back of a revolutionary seizure of power,

3207
02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:38,960
Speaker 4: we have the Maas split between two dipshits. And yeah,

3208
02:45:39,080 --> 02:45:41,760
Speaker 4: these are these are very very serious about taking power.

3209
02:45:42,120 --> 02:45:45,120
Speaker 4: You can tell this because they've split the party over

3210
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:45,959
Speaker 4: personal bullshit.

3211
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah every time, right, Like leaderism is the curse of

3212
02:45:51,080 --> 02:45:55,920
Speaker 1: the left, and it, yeah, it stops us doing things

3213
02:45:55,920 --> 02:45:58,039
Speaker 1: because it's always just dude chest some being each other.

3214
02:45:58,240 --> 02:46:00,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and this is the second part about it,

3215
02:46:00,120 --> 02:46:02,480
Speaker 4: is that this is a product of leaving the streets.

3216
02:46:02,480 --> 02:46:05,080
Speaker 4: And we're gonna close on Chile. We did a very

3217
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:07,320
Speaker 4: optimistic episode in the protests in Chile a couple of

3218
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:10,199
Speaker 4: years ago because it looked like they were actually winning.

3219
02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:14,360
Speaker 4: That's not true anymore, after the whole Okay, so Chile

3220
02:46:14,400 --> 02:46:18,400
Speaker 4: and twenty nineteen has these massive, massive treat protests. They

3221
02:46:18,840 --> 02:46:22,520
Speaker 4: successfully forced the government to call a constitutional convention to

3222
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:26,720
Speaker 4: like replace their Pinochet constitution. But that got everyone off

3223
02:46:26,760 --> 02:46:29,400
Speaker 4: the streets. And because it got anyone off the streets,

3224
02:46:30,959 --> 02:46:34,879
Speaker 4: both successive attempts to have a constitution have failed. It's

3225
02:46:34,920 --> 02:46:37,160
Speaker 4: deeply unclear what the fox had happened with the constitution. It's

3226
02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:38,879
Speaker 4: possible they're gonna end up with a constitution that is

3227
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:41,800
Speaker 4: even more right wing than the current one because they've

3228
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:45,120
Speaker 4: blown literally their moment of opportunity by pulling anyone out

3229
02:46:45,160 --> 02:46:47,400
Speaker 4: of the streets. And now the rights resurgence, it's a

3230
02:46:47,400 --> 02:46:51,960
Speaker 4: complete fiasco. Yeah, the repression of invidious people has continued

3231
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:56,360
Speaker 4: unabated under the new quote unquote left wing government. So yeah,

3232
02:46:56,640 --> 02:46:59,360
Speaker 4: it's it's a complete fiasco. And that that is today's lesson,

3233
02:46:59,400 --> 02:47:01,440
Speaker 4: which is venue when when when people tell you that

3234
02:47:01,440 --> 02:47:03,240
Speaker 4: they are the ones who are serious about taking your

3235
02:47:03,240 --> 02:47:05,440
Speaker 4: wielding power and they want you to go vote for them.

3236
02:47:06,400 --> 02:47:09,720
Speaker 4: We have they have failed everywhere for a decade. Do

3237
02:47:09,879 --> 02:47:12,000
Speaker 4: not let them do this to you again. Don't leave

3238
02:47:12,040 --> 02:47:16,320
Speaker 4: the streets. Yeah, Instead, don't leave the streets. Don't give

3239
02:47:16,320 --> 02:47:19,960
Speaker 4: someone else fucking power, take it for yourself. That's that's, that's,

3240
02:47:20,040 --> 02:47:20,800
Speaker 4: that's all I've got.

3241
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good place to end, I think. Yeah,

3242
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:28,480
Speaker 1: don't uh, don't infantilize yourself by electing some Instagram brick

3243
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:29,680
Speaker 1: to make decisions for you.

3244
02:47:44,879 --> 02:47:47,280
Speaker 12: Welcome, Sie could happened here. I'm Andrew sach to the

3245
02:47:47,360 --> 02:47:50,720
Speaker 12: true channel Andraism and one of the last times I

3246
02:47:50,840 --> 02:47:54,240
Speaker 12: was on here I was discussed in political Colds, generally

3247
02:47:54,959 --> 02:47:57,640
Speaker 12: drawn from the work of Dennis Tourist and Tim Willforth

3248
02:47:57,760 --> 02:47:59,920
Speaker 12: in their book On the Edge Political Colts, and after

3249
02:48:01,080 --> 02:48:04,439
Speaker 12: we learned about the roller coaster emotional ride the individual's

3250
02:48:04,480 --> 02:48:07,840
Speaker 12: experience during cult recruitment, where their feelings and ideas are

3251
02:48:07,879 --> 02:48:11,360
Speaker 12: manipulated and they are drawn into an exclusive and isolating group,

3252
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:15,080
Speaker 12: we explore the common techniques used by political cults, including

3253
02:48:15,160 --> 02:48:20,640
Speaker 12: creating rigid belief systems, immunity to falsification, authoritarianism, arbitrary leadership,

3254
02:48:20,720 --> 02:48:24,960
Speaker 12: deification of leaders, intense activism, and the use of loaded language.

3255
02:48:25,320 --> 02:48:27,960
Speaker 12: We also heed to the contradictory positions often held by

3256
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:31,360
Speaker 12: members of political cults, so as advocating for liberty while

3257
02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:37,160
Speaker 12: supporting totalitarianism, believe in equality alongside late leaders, accumulating privileges,

3258
02:48:37,680 --> 02:48:41,840
Speaker 12: promoting sexual morality while exploiting members, and demanding free speech

3259
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,640
Speaker 12: rights while suppressing dissent within the group. And we also

3260
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:48,480
Speaker 12: examined Robert Lifton's eight conditions that indicate the presence of

3261
02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:53,560
Speaker 12: ideological totalism within cults, which include miliu control, mystical manipulation,

3262
02:48:53,920 --> 02:48:57,560
Speaker 12: the demand for purity, the cult of confession, the sacred science, loading,

3263
02:48:57,560 --> 02:48:59,920
Speaker 12: the language, doctrine of a person, and it is by

3264
02:49:00,080 --> 02:49:03,920
Speaker 12: civil existence. If you want the details on all of that,

3265
02:49:04,120 --> 02:49:06,960
Speaker 12: you can check out the first episode in Political Cult series,

3266
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,520
Speaker 12: or you could pick up the book on political cults yourself.

3267
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:12,760
Speaker 12: As I said on the Edge Political Cults Left and

3268
02:49:12,840 --> 02:49:17,039
Speaker 12: Right by Dennis Turish and Tim Wolforth, I also had

3269
02:49:17,080 --> 02:49:19,720
Speaker 12: an episode where I spoke about the Trotskyist turned right

3270
02:49:19,800 --> 02:49:22,920
Speaker 12: wing cult of Lyndon Laroche, which was primarily based in

3271
02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:27,360
Speaker 12: USA but today joined by Garrison. I want to take

3272
02:49:27,400 --> 02:49:29,840
Speaker 12: a look at the deadly cult that arose from the

3273
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:34,600
Speaker 12: Japanese student movement, the United Red Army.

3274
02:49:35,360 --> 02:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Very exciting stuff.

3275
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:38,800
Speaker 12: If my research for this episode, I looked at dead

3276
02:49:38,879 --> 02:49:43,320
Speaker 12: Bodies and Living Guns by Yoshikuni Karashi, the Japanese Women's

3277
02:49:43,320 --> 02:49:46,400
Speaker 12: Liberation Movement, the United Red Army by set Sushiya Matsu,

3278
02:49:46,879 --> 02:49:50,400
Speaker 12: and Hijackers, Bombers and bank Robbers by Patricia G. Steinhoff.

3279
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:54,080
Speaker 12: So let's get into it, and to do so, we're

3280
02:49:54,120 --> 02:49:57,400
Speaker 12: going to need some historical context, not necessarily as in

3281
02:49:57,520 --> 02:50:00,600
Speaker 12: depth as digging into the evolution of postwater pas, which

3282
02:50:00,680 --> 02:50:02,640
Speaker 12: is such a deep and complex period in history that

3283
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:05,920
Speaker 12: it really deserves and has given special attention by historians

3284
02:50:06,280 --> 02:50:09,360
Speaker 12: that I have not the knowledge to buster. We do, however,

3285
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:11,720
Speaker 12: need to take a look more specifically at what the

3286
02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:16,120
Speaker 12: conditions were like in the country in the late sixties

3287
02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:20,720
Speaker 12: and early seventies. After the war, Japan was transitioned into

3288
02:50:20,959 --> 02:50:24,680
Speaker 12: something of a liberal democracy with all of that entails.

3289
02:50:25,440 --> 02:50:27,960
Speaker 12: The US rolled in and occupied Japan and forced all

3290
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:30,440
Speaker 12: these changes and reforms and so by the late sixties

3291
02:50:30,480 --> 02:50:33,480
Speaker 12: and seventies, you have post war children who were now

3292
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:36,600
Speaker 12: adults and had gone through and witnessed these systems full

3293
02:50:36,680 --> 02:50:40,440
Speaker 12: his hand. They saw the limits of democracy and capitalism.

3294
02:50:41,160 --> 02:50:43,880
Speaker 12: Japanese society was firmly under the thumb of the US

3295
02:50:43,959 --> 02:50:47,760
Speaker 12: as well, which created its own grievances amongst population. The

3296
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:51,320
Speaker 12: Japanese government had become a key supporter of US imperialism

3297
02:50:51,440 --> 02:50:54,080
Speaker 12: in the Cold War era. Both the Korean War and

3298
02:50:54,200 --> 02:50:57,400
Speaker 12: the Vietnam War were facilitated through the US's military bases

3299
02:50:57,480 --> 02:51:00,640
Speaker 12: in Japan, and the Japanese left did not like that

3300
02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:05,000
Speaker 12: at all. Naturally, in response, the state would crush them,

3301
02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:08,520
Speaker 12: as states are apt to do. When the Japanese were

3302
02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:13,680
Speaker 12: taken to the streets and solidarity, the state increased their surveillance, repression,

3303
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:17,120
Speaker 12: and incarceration. Some on the Japanese left would come to

3304
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:19,720
Speaker 12: see Japan as a police state with US back in,

3305
02:51:20,360 --> 02:51:23,040
Speaker 12: but that wasn't the left's only issue with Japanese society.

3306
02:51:23,800 --> 02:51:27,480
Speaker 12: Japan's economic success post war thanks to the US, had

3307
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:31,280
Speaker 12: brought the establishment of a mass consumer society that gave

3308
02:51:31,320 --> 02:51:35,080
Speaker 12: the population, even in rural areas and among poor factory workers,

3309
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:39,720
Speaker 12: greater access to information and consumer goods, and that ended

3310
02:51:39,800 --> 02:51:42,279
Speaker 12: up posing an issue for the left in Japan because

3311
02:51:42,400 --> 02:51:45,440
Speaker 12: many of the organizations were struggling to adjust to the

3312
02:51:45,520 --> 02:51:50,560
Speaker 12: shift in times. To quote Yoshikui Igarashi directly, the new

3313
02:51:50,640 --> 02:51:53,879
Speaker 12: left critique of post war society had long been too

3314
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:57,480
Speaker 12: rigid to address the rapidly changing social conditions of Japan.

3315
02:51:58,320 --> 02:52:01,480
Speaker 12: Each person was complicit with the plaical and economic mechanisms

3316
02:52:01,800 --> 02:52:05,160
Speaker 12: that produced social injustice insofar as he or she took

3317
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:09,680
Speaker 12: advantage of them. It was simply impossible to undo the

3318
02:52:09,720 --> 02:52:12,800
Speaker 12: effects of the system when many in society cherished their

3319
02:52:12,840 --> 02:52:16,640
Speaker 12: newly found agency as consumers. So the left in Japan

3320
02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:19,960
Speaker 12: was fixated on this very romanticized image of the ruggeted

3321
02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:23,320
Speaker 12: workers and not really engaging with what the workers themselves

3322
02:52:23,440 --> 02:52:28,040
Speaker 12: thought about and wanted to see transformed in their circumstances, Like, yeah,

3323
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:32,800
Speaker 12: it's understandable that workers, despite being exploited, would also cling

3324
02:52:32,920 --> 02:52:35,560
Speaker 12: to some of the comforts they've gained even under those

3325
02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:40,440
Speaker 12: poor circumstances, And these left organizations weren't adequately engaging with that.

3326
02:52:40,959 --> 02:52:43,800
Speaker 12: They were engagement the fact that yeah, this poor factory

3327
02:52:43,840 --> 02:52:47,680
Speaker 12: workers poor and suffering, but they also appreciate the fact

3328
02:52:47,720 --> 02:52:52,680
Speaker 12: that they have access to all these new technologies and

3329
02:52:53,320 --> 02:52:55,680
Speaker 12: all this new entertainment media and all that stuff. They

3330
02:52:55,720 --> 02:52:58,879
Speaker 12: were still stuck in this very late nineteenth to early

3331
02:52:58,920 --> 02:53:02,600
Speaker 12: twentieth century of understanding. Yeah, so they were kind of

3332
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:06,920
Speaker 12: ideologically stuck and disconnected. They had this one vision of

3333
02:53:07,720 --> 02:53:10,440
Speaker 12: the struggle and it wasn't really being updated with the

3334
02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:13,720
Speaker 12: changing times. So it's no surprise really what we're resulved

3335
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:17,120
Speaker 12: from this late sixties status co. First, I think we

3336
02:53:17,160 --> 02:53:20,520
Speaker 12: should stop I understanding the various associations of Seki Gun,

3337
02:53:20,879 --> 02:53:24,959
Speaker 12: which is the Red Army. There were three major related

3338
02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:27,560
Speaker 12: groups under the label of Psekagoon that shared a very

3339
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:33,480
Speaker 12: particular vision, to quote Britisher Gi stein Off. One, we

3340
02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:37,280
Speaker 12: have the original group led by Shiamita Kaya, which began

3341
02:53:37,520 --> 02:53:40,960
Speaker 12: as the Pseki gunha of a major student organization in

3342
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:45,039
Speaker 12: nineteen sixty eight and dropped the K designation, becoming Psecic

3343
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:51,280
Speaker 12: Gun sometime after it became independent in mid nineteen sixty nine. Nice. Two,

3344
02:53:51,840 --> 02:53:54,640
Speaker 12: you had a remnant of the original Psychicgoon, which in

3345
02:53:54,760 --> 02:53:58,080
Speaker 12: nineteen seventy one joined with another group to become Rengo

3346
02:53:58,160 --> 02:54:01,600
Speaker 12: Psaki Gun United Red Army and remember that because of

3347
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:04,720
Speaker 12: the focus of today, and they became under the leadership

3348
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:09,320
Speaker 12: of the Seka Gun head Mori Sunyo. And then three lastly,

3349
02:54:09,600 --> 02:54:12,360
Speaker 12: he had a group that developed in Lebanon beginning in

3350
02:54:12,440 --> 02:54:16,360
Speaker 12: nineteen seventy one under the leadership of Okidaira Takeshi and

3351
02:54:16,400 --> 02:54:23,360
Speaker 12: Psaki Gun member Chigaenaubu Fusako and formally broke with Rango Psycakun.

3352
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:27,560
Speaker 12: And this group formally broke with Rango Zseka Gun the

3353
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:30,560
Speaker 12: United Red Army in nineteen seventy two, they were called

3354
02:54:30,680 --> 02:54:33,959
Speaker 12: the Japanese Red Army. So you have the Red Army

3355
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:38,240
Speaker 12: faction Psychic Gun her which dropped the high designation and

3356
02:54:38,280 --> 02:54:41,280
Speaker 12: became Psychic Gun, and you had a remnant from the

3357
02:54:41,320 --> 02:54:44,160
Speaker 12: original Psychic Gun which joined with another group to become

3358
02:54:44,280 --> 02:54:46,879
Speaker 12: Rango Psychagun the United Red Army. And then you had

3359
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:50,600
Speaker 12: a group that broke away from the United Red Army

3360
02:54:50,720 --> 02:54:54,840
Speaker 12: and became the Japanese Red Army. Very classic Marxist Leninist

3361
02:54:55,440 --> 02:54:59,959
Speaker 12: party splating practices. So in the early days Psaki Guna

3362
02:55:00,600 --> 02:55:04,000
Speaker 12: the parent Revolutionary all of the later two groups beckoned

3363
02:55:04,120 --> 02:55:07,879
Speaker 12: Japan's brightest students, the children of many elites. And when

3364
02:55:07,879 --> 02:55:10,000
Speaker 12: I say elites, I mean these youths would have been

3365
02:55:10,600 --> 02:55:16,040
Speaker 12: regular degular academics, doctors, bureaucrats, and corporate careerists if not

3366
02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:20,160
Speaker 12: for them joining this organization, having passed their entrance exams,

3367
02:55:20,320 --> 02:55:23,120
Speaker 12: immersed in the anti mainstream culture of the universities at

3368
02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:26,880
Speaker 12: the time, they seize that freedom to create organizations against

3369
02:55:27,000 --> 02:55:30,800
Speaker 12: mainstream Japanese society. The Red Army Sekukuna had split from

3370
02:55:30,840 --> 02:55:34,360
Speaker 12: its parent group, a national student organization called the Communist League,

3371
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:39,600
Speaker 12: informally bunned over a quote unresolvable policy dispute, and the

3372
02:55:39,640 --> 02:55:42,240
Speaker 12: bund itself had come out of the first major factionals

3373
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:45,320
Speaker 12: split in nineteen fifty eight in the postwar Japanese national

3374
02:55:45,400 --> 02:55:49,240
Speaker 12: student organization known as Sengakuin, which was formed by folks

3375
02:55:49,240 --> 02:55:54,000
Speaker 12: who had been expelled from or left the Japanese Communist Party. So,

3376
02:55:54,400 --> 02:55:55,680
Speaker 12: just to bring out the speed, there you have the

3377
02:55:55,760 --> 02:55:59,000
Speaker 12: Japanese Communist Party, and then some people who were expelled

3378
02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:02,680
Speaker 12: from that party created their own organization known as Anger Couldn't,

3379
02:56:03,240 --> 02:56:06,440
Speaker 12: and then that zenger Kurdin organization split.

3380
02:56:07,480 --> 02:56:10,039
Speaker 3: Do you know what else could benefit from a split?

3381
02:56:10,200 --> 02:56:13,720
Speaker 3: Right now? It's this episode with this ad break.

3382
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:24,320
Speaker 1: And we're back.

3383
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:26,120
Speaker 12: One of the splits that came out to that was

3384
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:27,959
Speaker 12: the Communist League, which we came known as the Bund,

3385
02:56:28,560 --> 02:56:32,560
Speaker 12: and the Bund had a split within it that boothed

3386
02:56:32,800 --> 02:56:36,280
Speaker 12: the Red Army, and the Red Army had its own splits.

3387
02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:37,800
Speaker 1: Yes, as.

3388
02:56:39,959 --> 02:56:42,000
Speaker 3: As all these groups love to do.

3389
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:46,400
Speaker 12: Yes, let's of split it. And according to sign Off,

3390
02:56:46,600 --> 02:56:51,640
Speaker 12: Bund actually had a really remarkable history of internal factional splits.

3391
02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:55,680
Speaker 12: In fact, even for its own cohort is quite exceptional.

3392
02:56:55,760 --> 02:56:59,720
Speaker 12: That generated over fifty separate groups, in addition to Psychic,

3393
02:57:01,320 --> 02:57:03,840
Speaker 12: which had become Psychic Goon dropping the ha as I said,

3394
02:57:04,160 --> 02:57:06,879
Speaker 12: after it became independent from BOND in nineteen sixty nine.

3395
02:57:07,160 --> 02:57:11,840
Speaker 12: Again nice. And then after the split, Pecigo immediately copied

3396
02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:15,680
Speaker 12: the already outdated communist party setup that BUND had initially

3397
02:57:15,760 --> 02:57:19,240
Speaker 12: inherited from its own parent organization. I mean everything from

3398
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:22,840
Speaker 12: the Central Committee to the Politbrew, to the Secretariat to

3399
02:57:22,920 --> 02:57:26,920
Speaker 12: the former representation from regional and local units, though a

3400
02:57:26,959 --> 02:57:29,680
Speaker 12: lot of these structures mainly existed on paper according to

3401
02:57:29,920 --> 02:57:37,680
Speaker 12: former members. So what was psechigoing doing well? The members

3402
02:57:37,879 --> 02:57:42,440
Speaker 12: were already experienced in orchestrating mass activities typical of the

3403
02:57:42,520 --> 02:57:47,320
Speaker 12: era's student movement. They excel in producing and disseminating political publications,

3404
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:52,359
Speaker 12: organizing meetings, and coordinating street demonstrations, but eventually they realized

3405
02:57:52,400 --> 02:57:56,680
Speaker 12: this stuff just isn't working. They need something bolder. The

3406
02:57:56,720 --> 02:58:01,760
Speaker 12: group aimed for innovative action rather than organizational innovation, adopted

3407
02:58:01,879 --> 02:58:05,680
Speaker 12: the Red Army moncle and aligned themselves as soldiers within

3408
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:11,080
Speaker 12: a loosely structured central committee. And despite being a legal

3409
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:15,360
Speaker 12: entity in post war Japan, Sekigoon quickly found itself at

3410
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:19,160
Speaker 12: art of the state due to its provocative intentions and actions.

3411
02:58:19,800 --> 02:58:23,360
Speaker 12: The group openly declared its intention to ecagie in legal

3412
02:58:23,440 --> 02:58:28,800
Speaker 12: activities no can upset whatsoever, triggering intense police surveillance and

3413
02:58:28,879 --> 02:58:33,200
Speaker 12: a confrontational relationship from the outset. Their journey transitions swiftly

3414
02:58:33,240 --> 02:58:38,119
Speaker 12: from public legal events to clandestine and unlawful activities such

3415
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:42,480
Speaker 12: as weapon making, hijackings, bombings, weapon theft, and bank robberies,

3416
02:58:43,040 --> 02:58:48,120
Speaker 12: and with that unfamiliar territory came many mistakes and much realing.

3417
02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:52,760
Speaker 3: In so they went from having meetings and making the

3418
02:58:52,840 --> 02:58:57,720
Speaker 3: zines to doing other stuff. Is what I is, what

3419
02:58:57,840 --> 02:59:03,279
Speaker 3: I take it for translated to a modern politically active audience.

3420
02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:08,520
Speaker 12: They went from doing like peaceful protests, you know, peaceful marches,

3421
02:59:08,720 --> 02:59:14,680
Speaker 12: sit ins, that sort of thing, to like vankrobberies, embomments. Yeah,

3422
02:59:15,360 --> 02:59:18,520
Speaker 12: and on top of that, they really had the they

3423
02:59:18,600 --> 02:59:22,600
Speaker 12: had the inflated sense of self to grandiously label their

3424
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:27,640
Speaker 12: attempted uprisings as the Tokyo War, the Osaker War. Sure, sure,

3425
02:59:27,800 --> 02:59:34,040
Speaker 12: Kyoto War. I mean the actions in a sense it

3426
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:37,000
Speaker 12: is some urban guerrilla warfare that they might have been

3427
02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:39,480
Speaker 12: engaging in with some of these actions very glad to sign,

3428
02:59:39,640 --> 02:59:44,000
Speaker 12: very direct and violence and stuff, and there was a

3429
02:59:44,040 --> 02:59:45,359
Speaker 12: state response.

3430
02:59:46,200 --> 02:59:49,280
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of like more of these

3431
02:59:49,400 --> 02:59:53,080
Speaker 3: like extremely violent militant insurrectory type can kind of get

3432
02:59:53,640 --> 02:59:56,440
Speaker 3: that inflated sense of what they're doing. And even though

3433
02:59:56,520 --> 02:59:59,760
Speaker 3: I don't think ted Kay is an insurructionist, but still

3434
02:59:59,800 --> 03:00:04,400
Speaker 3: it's it kind of it's like, did he think that

3435
03:00:04,520 --> 03:00:07,080
Speaker 3: blowing someone's fingers off every five years was going to

3436
03:00:07,160 --> 03:00:12,280
Speaker 3: trigger the collapse of industrial civilization? And you're like, maybe,

3437
03:00:12,360 --> 03:00:17,520
Speaker 3: maybe not, but that doesn't seem like a really great plan. Yeah,

3438
03:00:17,720 --> 03:00:20,520
Speaker 3: if you're just taking someone's fingers off, yet you think

3439
03:00:20,600 --> 03:00:22,760
Speaker 3: you're like the only one who's standing in the way

3440
03:00:22,840 --> 03:00:27,959
Speaker 3: between industrial society and the future of a desolate earth.

3441
03:00:28,520 --> 03:00:31,520
Speaker 3: But I don't know it. It is a complicated things

3442
03:00:31,560 --> 03:00:35,960
Speaker 3: some dives. Yeah, yeah, it's always hard to gauge the

3443
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:37,920
Speaker 3: successfulness of your own actions.

3444
03:00:38,920 --> 03:00:41,400
Speaker 12: Indeed, indeed, but I mean in this case, I think

3445
03:00:41,440 --> 03:00:45,440
Speaker 12: we can't gauge the success because well, first of all,

3446
03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:48,240
Speaker 12: the actions of all eventually led to police raids, harassed

3447
03:00:48,280 --> 03:00:52,640
Speaker 12: in indictments. Sure, and also we could measure success based

3448
03:00:52,680 --> 03:00:55,760
Speaker 12: on the achievement of particular goals, and all of their

3449
03:00:56,120 --> 03:00:59,800
Speaker 12: attempted uprisings were made with the aim of global revolution

3450
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:03,840
Speaker 12: based on Trotsky's ideas. Okay, yeah, So they were trying

3451
03:01:03,879 --> 03:01:05,680
Speaker 12: to build an army that would not only lead in

3452
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:09,920
Speaker 12: revolution in Japan but also eid in revolutionary activities worldwide.

3453
03:01:10,400 --> 03:01:12,680
Speaker 12: So some of their members even sought support and training

3454
03:01:12,760 --> 03:01:14,840
Speaker 12: from groups like the Popular Front for the Liberation of

3455
03:01:14,879 --> 03:01:20,560
Speaker 12: Palestine huh Yeah. And eventually they tried to organize guerrilla

3456
03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:25,360
Speaker 12: training with intent to attack the Prime Minister's residents, but

3457
03:01:25,480 --> 03:01:28,160
Speaker 12: a police raid foiled their plans and arrested fifty three

3458
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:30,360
Speaker 12: of their members, which led to the core of the

3459
03:01:30,480 --> 03:01:35,400
Speaker 12: organization psychagun to go underground. And then while they were underground,

3460
03:01:35,520 --> 03:01:41,120
Speaker 12: their style of organization had to evolve. Initially they resembled

3461
03:01:41,160 --> 03:01:44,400
Speaker 12: the sort of cumbersome bureaucracy of a communist party, but

3462
03:01:44,520 --> 03:01:49,280
Speaker 12: eventually they reinvented themselves to become similar rather to the

3463
03:01:49,600 --> 03:01:55,280
Speaker 12: Japanese managerial styles of the time period. In short, because

3464
03:01:55,280 --> 03:01:56,920
Speaker 12: I'm really trying to get to the juicy bits of

3465
03:01:57,080 --> 03:02:01,280
Speaker 12: what was happening, the communication who so they faced Due

3466
03:02:01,320 --> 03:02:05,920
Speaker 12: to that underground police surveillance led to a sophisticated telephone

3467
03:02:05,959 --> 03:02:10,240
Speaker 12: network managed by Lea's wives and girlfriends. Organizational decision making

3468
03:02:10,320 --> 03:02:14,400
Speaker 12: went from ecalitian debates to hierarchical orders, and after any

3469
03:02:14,440 --> 03:02:18,920
Speaker 12: activities they engage in evaluations so like quarterly reports and

3470
03:02:19,000 --> 03:02:22,040
Speaker 12: like a corporate office, to refine their approach for next time.

3471
03:02:23,160 --> 03:02:25,800
Speaker 12: So given all that history and context, what happens next

3472
03:02:25,879 --> 03:02:29,600
Speaker 12: relation be all too surprising. In December nineteen seventy one,

3473
03:02:29,720 --> 03:02:32,840
Speaker 12: the few remaining not arrested or dead members of Psakagun's

3474
03:02:32,879 --> 03:02:36,000
Speaker 12: underground Army joined forces with another group in a similar

3475
03:02:36,040 --> 03:02:40,880
Speaker 12: situation called Kakome Saha or Revolutionary Left, to form the

3476
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:45,440
Speaker 12: United Red Army aka Rengo Sekigun, which established themselves in

3477
03:02:45,520 --> 03:02:48,080
Speaker 12: a remote cabin in the Japanese Alps in the dead

3478
03:02:48,200 --> 03:02:52,119
Speaker 12: of winter in Guma Prefecture and tried to work out

3479
03:02:52,160 --> 03:02:56,160
Speaker 12: the ideological and organizational differences that came from uniting the

3480
03:02:56,200 --> 03:02:59,840
Speaker 12: two organizations. The new group was led by the Red

3481
03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:03,840
Speaker 12: Mani faction leader Sunyo Muri and second in commanded by

3482
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:10,080
Speaker 12: Heroku Nagata, the leader of the Revolutionary Left. And quick,

3483
03:03:10,560 --> 03:03:14,400
Speaker 12: quick digression, it's actually a big deal. Nagata was a woman,

3484
03:03:15,520 --> 03:03:18,160
Speaker 12: and that was sort of a win in a sense.

3485
03:03:18,200 --> 03:03:22,160
Speaker 12: I mean a win, not in a broader sense, probably

3486
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:26,080
Speaker 12: not a win considering what happens next, but a win

3487
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:28,160
Speaker 12: in the sense that at the time there was a

3488
03:03:28,200 --> 03:03:31,560
Speaker 12: big issue with the Japanese New Left and its patriarchal nature,

3489
03:03:32,120 --> 03:03:34,600
Speaker 12: where women typically only had any kind of say or

3490
03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:42,160
Speaker 12: authority in relation to their male partners. So it was

3491
03:03:42,280 --> 03:03:47,280
Speaker 12: kind of nice to see Nagata get elevated to a

3492
03:03:47,400 --> 03:03:51,760
Speaker 12: position where she didn't have to be connected to a

3493
03:03:51,920 --> 03:03:55,560
Speaker 12: male figure in the movement in order to have any

3494
03:03:55,640 --> 03:03:57,680
Speaker 12: kind of say or any kind of political sway, of course,

3495
03:03:57,720 --> 03:03:59,760
Speaker 12: what she did with that say, what she did with

3496
03:03:59,800 --> 03:04:04,080
Speaker 12: that close way, was not all too hot, but yeah,

3497
03:04:04,400 --> 03:04:09,879
Speaker 12: I digress. Under the direction of Mari and Gelbasnagata, about

3498
03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:14,280
Speaker 12: twenty five United Red Army members underwent revolutionary training to

3499
03:04:14,360 --> 03:04:18,240
Speaker 12: prepare for armed struggle against the state. At this point, though,

3500
03:04:18,400 --> 03:04:21,560
Speaker 12: you have to wonder what exactly they were hoping to achieve.

3501
03:04:22,440 --> 03:04:26,440
Speaker 12: They weren't even connected any legism workers struggles in the country.

3502
03:04:26,840 --> 03:04:30,760
Speaker 12: They weren't organizing their communities. They has created these revolutionary

3503
03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:33,160
Speaker 12: cells where they would hold film to their rigid political

3504
03:04:33,240 --> 03:04:38,400
Speaker 12: aims and refuse to engage in reality. To quote Yoshikuni

3505
03:04:38,480 --> 03:04:41,879
Speaker 12: Igarashi directly, from the earliest days of the New Left,

3506
03:04:42,360 --> 03:04:46,800
Speaker 12: confrontations with the police were endowed with performative value. By

3507
03:04:46,879 --> 03:04:49,160
Speaker 12: taking the beatens of police batons on their heads and

3508
03:04:49,280 --> 03:04:53,160
Speaker 12: being sprayed with tea gas, Raleigh participants presented themselves both

3509
03:04:53,200 --> 03:04:56,199
Speaker 12: as victims of the state repressive power and as agents

3510
03:04:56,200 --> 03:04:59,879
Speaker 12: of resistance against it. However, by the early nineteen seventy

3511
03:05:00,480 --> 03:05:03,160
Speaker 12: it became obvious that their performances were not enough to

3512
03:05:03,240 --> 03:05:06,680
Speaker 12: break through the statuscope. It was also apparent that popular

3513
03:05:06,720 --> 03:05:09,320
Speaker 12: support for the movements had aoracious limit and was starting

3514
03:05:09,360 --> 03:05:12,560
Speaker 12: to wane. As new Left organizations began to see the

3515
03:05:12,560 --> 03:05:15,800
Speaker 12: futility of trying to build widespread support. The acts of

3516
03:05:15,879 --> 03:05:19,560
Speaker 12: violence lost their performative aspect. Rather than presenting themselves as

3517
03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:22,320
Speaker 12: both victims and agents of resistance as they had done before,

3518
03:05:22,879 --> 03:05:25,960
Speaker 12: many organizations, including the Red Army and the Revolutionary Left,

3519
03:05:26,360 --> 03:05:30,040
Speaker 12: began to escalate their violence. The activists engaged in this

3520
03:05:30,320 --> 03:05:35,040
Speaker 12: increasingly brutal struggle became a sort of self appointed revolutionary elite,

3521
03:05:35,560 --> 03:05:38,320
Speaker 12: a group that demanded of its members a stepped up

3522
03:05:38,480 --> 03:05:42,160
Speaker 12: bodily commitment in the form of an ever intensifying regimen

3523
03:05:42,480 --> 03:05:46,240
Speaker 12: of physical training and corporeal deprivation, and a willingness to

3524
03:05:46,360 --> 03:05:50,320
Speaker 12: die for the cause. The United Red Armies revolutionary struggles

3525
03:05:50,360 --> 03:05:53,879
Speaker 12: at the mountain Bases demonstrated the process through which violence

3526
03:05:54,000 --> 03:05:57,520
Speaker 12: came to dominate the lives of its members. At another

3527
03:05:57,600 --> 03:05:59,840
Speaker 12: point in the general article, he says that while the

3528
03:06:00,040 --> 03:06:04,240
Speaker 12: partomatic shift caused by Japan's high growth economy demanded a

3529
03:06:04,320 --> 03:06:07,840
Speaker 12: new theory and practice of political engagement, United Red Army

3530
03:06:07,879 --> 03:06:11,080
Speaker 12: members merely wish to undo the effects of economic development,

3531
03:06:11,600 --> 03:06:14,600
Speaker 12: literally seeking to establish a critical purchase outside of the

3532
03:06:14,680 --> 03:06:19,199
Speaker 12: existence system. Aspiring to transform themselves into a revolutionary elite,

3533
03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:23,280
Speaker 12: they physically distanced themselves in mountain bases while vole rising

3534
03:06:23,400 --> 03:06:27,080
Speaker 12: violence as a means to achieve alternative political conditions. Their

3535
03:06:27,160 --> 03:06:29,920
Speaker 12: two stage strategy of exiting and then striking back of

3536
03:06:29,959 --> 03:06:35,720
Speaker 12: the system, however, proved completely inadequate. At one point, early on,

3537
03:06:35,959 --> 03:06:39,600
Speaker 12: two members in this mountain cabin in the Japanese Alps

3538
03:06:39,920 --> 03:06:42,280
Speaker 12: decided that they wanted to piece out of the United

3539
03:06:42,320 --> 03:06:44,720
Speaker 12: Red Army probably go back to live in a normal life.

3540
03:06:45,280 --> 03:06:49,840
Speaker 12: So in retaliation, Nagata organized their assassination with the help

3541
03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:54,039
Speaker 12: of United Red Army members. Yeah, like, how dare you leave?

3542
03:06:55,879 --> 03:06:56,119
Speaker 1: Yeah?

3543
03:06:56,280 --> 03:07:01,400
Speaker 3: I mean, this whole Red Art saga is a really

3544
03:07:01,440 --> 03:07:05,600
Speaker 3: great example of how an extremely militant leftist force really

3545
03:07:06,200 --> 03:07:10,240
Speaker 3: really does mirror so many, so many cult dynamics. And

3546
03:07:10,440 --> 03:07:13,120
Speaker 3: like I I the stakes are high.

3547
03:07:13,240 --> 03:07:13,680
Speaker 1: I get it.

3548
03:07:13,840 --> 03:07:17,080
Speaker 3: Like you have a lot of like intense shared experiences

3549
03:07:17,120 --> 03:07:20,720
Speaker 3: with people, it can produce a whole bunch of emotional,

3550
03:07:20,800 --> 03:07:23,240
Speaker 3: volatile reactions. I'm sure what they all went through. I

3551
03:07:23,320 --> 03:07:27,600
Speaker 3: can I can barely even begin to understand with with

3552
03:07:27,760 --> 03:07:31,040
Speaker 3: my like with my background and more like a like

3553
03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:39,760
Speaker 3: anarchist instructionary action. But yeah, you know, it's the whole

3554
03:07:39,840 --> 03:07:42,680
Speaker 3: Hitman squad for whenever members like age out in their

3555
03:07:43,680 --> 03:07:46,400
Speaker 3: late twenties. This is certainly an interesting move.

3556
03:07:48,400 --> 03:07:52,400
Speaker 12: Indeed, and if I wasn't bad enough, it gets worse.

3557
03:07:53,640 --> 03:07:58,760
Speaker 12: So clearly, the fact that people want to leave means

3558
03:07:58,840 --> 03:08:02,080
Speaker 12: that the character of their members are not good enough.

3559
03:08:02,840 --> 03:08:05,480
Speaker 12: So the United Red Army wanted to improve the character

3560
03:08:05,560 --> 03:08:09,760
Speaker 12: of its members, so under Maury and Nagata's directives, they

3561
03:08:09,840 --> 03:08:14,000
Speaker 12: underwent a purge through a process of collective and individual

3562
03:08:14,120 --> 03:08:19,080
Speaker 12: self criticism. It's always self criticism of these people, so

3563
03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:22,480
Speaker 12: before long, self criticism became this sort of high stakes

3564
03:08:22,560 --> 03:08:26,680
Speaker 12: test of each member's revolutionary commitment, call into question everything

3565
03:08:26,760 --> 03:08:30,880
Speaker 12: from their engagement and romantic relationships to their appreciation of

3566
03:08:30,959 --> 03:08:35,720
Speaker 12: material possessions. Any such attachments were seen as evidence that

3567
03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:40,160
Speaker 12: these members were not committed enough to the cause. In fact,

3568
03:08:40,480 --> 03:08:43,320
Speaker 12: they were the worst thing you could possibly be, a

3569
03:08:43,480 --> 03:08:48,320
Speaker 12: counter revolutionary and then things got worse. So just to clarify,

3570
03:08:48,400 --> 03:08:51,240
Speaker 12: and this is according to Patricia G. Steinoff, who studied

3571
03:08:51,240 --> 03:08:54,360
Speaker 12: the organizational structure of these groups. When the United Red

3572
03:08:54,440 --> 03:08:59,400
Speaker 12: Army came together, they engaged in standard consensus decision making procedures,

3573
03:08:59,480 --> 03:09:02,120
Speaker 12: which is how they came into agreement that the members

3574
03:09:02,200 --> 03:09:05,120
Speaker 12: needed to be tough, fund into revolutionaries capable of fighting

3575
03:09:05,160 --> 03:09:09,440
Speaker 12: the police. But despite engagement and consensus from time to time.

3576
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:14,400
Speaker 12: The organization was very strictly vertical. The central committee had

3577
03:09:14,400 --> 03:09:17,080
Speaker 12: a separate room from everyone else in the cabin and

3578
03:09:17,160 --> 03:09:19,800
Speaker 12: the internet conditions made it easier to stand out if

3579
03:09:19,840 --> 03:09:23,600
Speaker 12: you weren't cooperating with directives. To quote one section of

3580
03:09:23,640 --> 03:09:26,959
Speaker 12: the article, When the top leaders introduced violence in order

3581
03:09:26,959 --> 03:09:29,600
Speaker 12: to speed up the transformation of the weakest members, no

3582
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:32,480
Speaker 12: one was able to confront leadership to stop it. Those

3583
03:09:32,520 --> 03:09:36,400
Speaker 12: who disagreed tended to use traditional Japanese methods of indirection,

3584
03:09:36,959 --> 03:09:40,480
Speaker 12: expressed in opposition by silence and withdrawal. And given the

3585
03:09:40,560 --> 03:09:43,240
Speaker 12: purpose of the group's activity and the expectation of full

3586
03:09:43,320 --> 03:09:46,640
Speaker 12: participation that is built into the ground rules of consensus

3587
03:09:46,680 --> 03:09:52,320
Speaker 12: decision making, silence and withdrawal were interpreted as unrevolutionary weakness

3588
03:09:52,879 --> 03:09:55,880
Speaker 12: and participating in violence against others were soon defined as

3589
03:09:55,959 --> 03:09:59,879
Speaker 12: evidence of one's own sincere commitment to become a better revolutionary.

3590
03:10:00,640 --> 03:10:04,080
Speaker 12: Those who failed to participate energetically in the violence against

3591
03:10:04,120 --> 03:10:07,199
Speaker 12: others became the next victims of the purge.

3592
03:10:08,560 --> 03:10:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah that all makes perfect sense to me. Actually, yeah, I.

3593
03:10:14,640 --> 03:10:17,800
Speaker 12: When they deemed somebody to be a counter revolutionary, the

3594
03:10:17,920 --> 03:10:21,920
Speaker 12: others would be ordered to punish them through beatens, torture,

3595
03:10:22,560 --> 03:10:26,160
Speaker 12: and exposure to the elements without food or shelter. As

3596
03:10:26,200 --> 03:10:30,520
Speaker 12: you can imagine, people died. So when the first victims died,

3597
03:10:30,959 --> 03:10:34,320
Speaker 12: the leaders said that they had died of defeatism because

3598
03:10:34,360 --> 03:10:39,720
Speaker 12: they couldn't overcome their own weakness. Six weeks later, in

3599
03:10:39,920 --> 03:10:43,840
Speaker 12: February nineteen seventy two, twelve of the twenty five members

3600
03:10:43,879 --> 03:10:47,880
Speaker 12: were dead. One sign off points out that ironically, in

3601
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:51,039
Speaker 12: between bouts of the purge, the United Red Army members

3602
03:10:51,080 --> 03:10:53,720
Speaker 12: were able to break into work groups and carry out

3603
03:10:53,800 --> 03:10:57,000
Speaker 12: tasks like building a new cabin, planning the next attack,

3604
03:10:57,440 --> 03:11:00,720
Speaker 12: and burying the bodies of the dead. Comrades watching that

3605
03:11:00,840 --> 03:11:04,280
Speaker 12: you like jump in between these pooge sessions and like

3606
03:11:04,400 --> 03:11:05,800
Speaker 12: building a cabin with your buds.

3607
03:11:07,400 --> 03:11:11,480
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't doubt it. Like I this this all

3608
03:11:11,560 --> 03:11:13,360
Speaker 3: does make a sort of weird sense to me. Like

3609
03:11:13,400 --> 03:11:16,560
Speaker 3: I've seen I've seen radical groups kind of fall apart

3610
03:11:17,040 --> 03:11:20,160
Speaker 3: in not ways that lead to like mass purging, as

3611
03:11:20,280 --> 03:11:23,400
Speaker 3: in like murder, but I've seen groups fall apart in

3612
03:11:23,480 --> 03:11:25,760
Speaker 3: similar ways to this. You'll you'll have like a smaller

3613
03:11:25,879 --> 03:11:28,680
Speaker 3: insular click who tries to remain really active and like

3614
03:11:28,879 --> 03:11:31,920
Speaker 3: keep going and doing stuff while also spending all their

3615
03:11:31,959 --> 03:11:37,680
Speaker 3: extra time towards continually purifying their member base. Because once

3616
03:11:37,720 --> 03:11:41,880
Speaker 3: you once you start that like purification and process like,

3617
03:11:42,040 --> 03:11:45,240
Speaker 3: you can't stop. You have to keep the spotlight on

3618
03:11:45,320 --> 03:11:47,200
Speaker 3: someone else, so then it's not on you, Like you

3619
03:11:47,280 --> 03:11:51,000
Speaker 3: have to be proactive in constantly purifying the member group,

3620
03:11:52,240 --> 03:11:54,520
Speaker 3: or else someone's gonna set their target on you like

3621
03:11:54,600 --> 03:11:58,000
Speaker 3: it has. I can, I can totally see how this

3622
03:11:58,200 --> 03:12:01,160
Speaker 3: would have this would have gone down, and I think

3623
03:12:01,240 --> 03:12:04,480
Speaker 3: smaller versions of this still remain to be a massive

3624
03:12:04,560 --> 03:12:09,320
Speaker 3: problem among radical organization structures, even structures that claim to

3625
03:12:09,360 --> 03:12:13,160
Speaker 3: be horizontal, they still have like an insular a clique

3626
03:12:13,400 --> 03:12:16,000
Speaker 3: of like the people who are like the cool group,

3627
03:12:16,640 --> 03:12:18,760
Speaker 3: who's going to replicate a lot of these same things,

3628
03:12:19,240 --> 03:12:22,840
Speaker 3: And how even though it's not technically vertical in practice,

3629
03:12:22,879 --> 03:12:25,240
Speaker 3: they still are able to do a lot of these

3630
03:12:25,440 --> 03:12:32,280
Speaker 3: same like top down and overwriting decision making processes.

3631
03:12:33,360 --> 03:12:37,320
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's And this is really what sort of

3632
03:12:37,400 --> 03:12:41,760
Speaker 12: motivated me to start to talk about political cults a

3633
03:12:41,800 --> 03:12:44,360
Speaker 12: bit more. I mean, not on reading the book, looking

3634
03:12:44,400 --> 03:12:46,480
Speaker 12: at this case and reading the book, because I really

3635
03:12:48,760 --> 03:12:52,520
Speaker 12: I want people to recognize that it's not like this

3636
03:12:53,440 --> 03:12:56,560
Speaker 12: strange out to this wild thing that could nevolative place

3637
03:12:56,640 --> 03:13:01,960
Speaker 12: in your postal life. Like it's very easy for any

3638
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:08,160
Speaker 12: political organization to become a cult, and there's no ideology

3639
03:13:08,240 --> 03:13:12,200
Speaker 12: that's immune to that. And so through these case studies

3640
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:15,240
Speaker 12: and through the breakdown to the various components and elements

3641
03:13:15,320 --> 03:13:19,680
Speaker 12: of cult cults and cult behavior, cult tactics, all people

3642
03:13:19,720 --> 03:13:23,080
Speaker 12: to be able to recognize the signs. Because what I

3643
03:13:23,160 --> 03:13:25,080
Speaker 12: really hate the most, and this is why I focused

3644
03:13:25,120 --> 03:13:27,840
Speaker 12: mostly on left wing cults not as much right wing cults,

3645
03:13:29,000 --> 03:13:31,520
Speaker 12: is to see people who have so much potential to

3646
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:36,880
Speaker 12: contribute meaningfully to like revolutionary change, and then they just

3647
03:13:36,959 --> 03:13:43,240
Speaker 12: get all their energies redirected into self criticism sessions and

3648
03:13:43,440 --> 03:13:47,200
Speaker 12: purification rituals and revolutionary lop in.

3649
03:13:48,200 --> 03:13:49,840
Speaker 3: Let's take an ad break here and we'll be right

3650
03:13:49,920 --> 03:13:54,200
Speaker 3: back to continue talking about the body count of the

3651
03:13:54,280 --> 03:13:54,800
Speaker 3: Red Army.

3652
03:14:06,040 --> 03:14:06,800
Speaker 1: Okay, we are.

3653
03:14:06,800 --> 03:14:12,119
Speaker 12: Back, So twelve bodies dead and buried.

3654
03:14:12,920 --> 03:14:17,280
Speaker 3: But on the upside, they have a new cabin so true,

3655
03:14:17,879 --> 03:14:21,360
Speaker 3: come on, you know, it's it's a small price to pay.

3656
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:28,480
Speaker 12: So eventually the leaders Maury and the Gata left, which

3657
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:31,360
Speaker 12: gave each of the United Red Army members a chance

3658
03:14:31,440 --> 03:14:34,560
Speaker 12: to escape before they too succumbed to the fate of death.

3659
03:14:34,600 --> 03:14:36,680
Speaker 12: So I find really interesting is that all of them

3660
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:40,800
Speaker 12: wanted to leave, but they didn't find it in themselves

3661
03:14:40,879 --> 03:14:43,199
Speaker 12: to leave until after the leadership left.

3662
03:14:43,840 --> 03:14:45,400
Speaker 3: They were all too scared of each other.

3663
03:14:47,000 --> 03:14:51,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, and so they want They took that opportunity to

3664
03:14:51,240 --> 03:14:54,279
Speaker 12: escape before they two died, and of course the police

3665
03:14:54,320 --> 03:14:57,440
Speaker 12: were hot on all of their tails. Mary and the

3666
03:14:57,520 --> 03:15:01,880
Speaker 12: Guta got arrested, and eventually there were only five members

3667
03:15:01,959 --> 03:15:06,760
Speaker 12: left and they were armed to the teeth. They ended

3668
03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:09,959
Speaker 12: up hiding in a mountain lodge and managed to capture

3669
03:15:10,120 --> 03:15:12,480
Speaker 12: a hostage, which was the wife of the owner of

3670
03:15:12,560 --> 03:15:17,640
Speaker 12: the mountain lodge, and Setsu Shigematsu described very succinctly what

3671
03:15:17,840 --> 03:15:22,840
Speaker 12: came next. Quote. Between nineteenth and twenty eighth of February,

3672
03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:26,480
Speaker 12: these five remaining members of the United Red Army held

3673
03:15:26,600 --> 03:15:30,440
Speaker 12: off over fifteen hundred riot police at the lodge, which

3674
03:15:30,520 --> 03:15:34,760
Speaker 12: was called Asama Sansu, and this armed standoff and hostage

3675
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:40,640
Speaker 12: taken incident became an unprecedented television spectacle. Television news coverage

3676
03:15:40,640 --> 03:15:43,760
Speaker 12: of the incident began in nineteenth February, with hundreds of

3677
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:46,520
Speaker 12: media staff on site to work the story. On the

3678
03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:50,560
Speaker 12: twenty eighth of February, continuous live televised news coverage lasted

3679
03:15:50,600 --> 03:15:54,800
Speaker 12: for ten hours and forty minutes. This constituted an unprecedented

3680
03:15:54,840 --> 03:15:59,920
Speaker 12: broadcasting event in Japan. This constituted an unprecedented broadcasting event

3681
03:16:00,160 --> 03:16:03,400
Speaker 12: in Japan's media history that has never been surpassed in

3682
03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:07,240
Speaker 12: terms of its duration and ratings. At the climax the

3683
03:16:07,280 --> 03:16:10,879
Speaker 12: police operation in twenty February, with eighty nine point seven

3684
03:16:10,879 --> 03:16:14,520
Speaker 12: percent view of ratings according to the National Broadcasting Corporation,

3685
03:16:15,120 --> 03:16:18,600
Speaker 12: almost the entire country was watching the same thing on TV.

3686
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:22,840
Speaker 12: The United Red Army's form of smaller scale insurgency against

3687
03:16:22,879 --> 03:16:26,440
Speaker 12: the state was thus rendered hyper visible, and this drew

3688
03:16:26,800 --> 03:16:30,280
Speaker 12: unprecedented attention to this due left sect. So after the

3689
03:16:30,360 --> 03:16:35,160
Speaker 12: remaining members were captured, between the interrogations, media interviews and autobiographies,

3690
03:16:35,760 --> 03:16:37,920
Speaker 12: the whole of Japan and the world got to hear

3691
03:16:38,080 --> 03:16:42,959
Speaker 12: what really went on. Immediately after the hostage situation, Despite

3692
03:16:43,000 --> 03:16:46,680
Speaker 12: their rather fringe style, the United Red Army actually had

3693
03:16:46,879 --> 03:16:50,640
Speaker 12: some public sympathy until the truth of how bad things

3694
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:53,520
Speaker 12: were came to light. They even made a movie about it.

3695
03:16:54,280 --> 03:16:57,680
Speaker 12: The news of the purge practically devastated not only the

3696
03:16:57,760 --> 03:17:02,000
Speaker 12: broader Secagoon organization, but also transformed the course of the

3697
03:17:02,080 --> 03:17:05,880
Speaker 12: radical left in Japan and beyond. Remember, they did have

3698
03:17:05,959 --> 03:17:09,240
Speaker 12: a branch in Lebanon, which thankfully did not make the

3699
03:17:09,280 --> 03:17:14,800
Speaker 12: same pursiing mistakes. Still, though many in Japan lost hope

3700
03:17:14,879 --> 03:17:19,240
Speaker 12: in revolution as a result of the publicity of those actions.

3701
03:17:20,040 --> 03:17:22,600
Speaker 12: Political activism had already been on a decline in the

3702
03:17:22,680 --> 03:17:25,800
Speaker 12: late sixties and early seventies, but the shock of the

3703
03:17:25,879 --> 03:17:29,080
Speaker 12: Purge was like a nail in the coffin. A lot

3704
03:17:29,120 --> 03:17:32,480
Speaker 12: of people literally distanced themselves from their own leftist movements

3705
03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:36,320
Speaker 12: because of how staggering that news was. The Purge literally

3706
03:17:36,480 --> 03:17:40,360
Speaker 12: purged leftism as a major force in Japanese society. And

3707
03:17:40,440 --> 03:17:45,200
Speaker 12: it's only recently, with writers like Gohaisato that Marxism has

3708
03:17:45,240 --> 03:17:46,760
Speaker 12: started to gain some attention again.

3709
03:17:47,920 --> 03:17:50,640
Speaker 3: And this is like around what this is like the

3710
03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:53,320
Speaker 3: are we like the sixties seventies?

3711
03:17:54,760 --> 03:17:57,879
Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, all this took place in the The Purge

3712
03:17:57,920 --> 03:18:02,080
Speaker 12: took place between December nineteen seventy one and February nineteen

3713
03:18:02,120 --> 03:18:02,600
Speaker 12: seventy two.

3714
03:18:03,520 --> 03:18:09,080
Speaker 3: Really really the last dying breath of the militant truskyeser.

3715
03:18:09,280 --> 03:18:17,480
Speaker 12: Yes, indeed, indeed, if we look at the techniques used

3716
03:18:17,560 --> 03:18:23,520
Speaker 12: by political cults, rigid belief systems check you know, immunity

3717
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:29,760
Speaker 12: to falsification, check, authoritarianism, check, arbitrary leadership, check deification of leaders.

3718
03:18:31,000 --> 03:18:35,599
Speaker 12: Most likely out I didn't seeing the evidence of that specifically,

3719
03:18:36,040 --> 03:18:41,480
Speaker 12: I wouldn't be surprised. Intense activism, check, use of loaded language.

3720
03:18:41,840 --> 03:18:42,320
Speaker 12: I'm sure.

3721
03:18:43,080 --> 03:18:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet.

3722
03:18:46,280 --> 03:18:50,000
Speaker 12: You see basically all of those tactics employed in this organization,

3723
03:18:50,200 --> 03:18:54,440
Speaker 12: and you just see the result of it. And I

3724
03:18:54,480 --> 03:18:57,600
Speaker 12: think it's stories ideas that need to be known so

3725
03:18:57,680 --> 03:19:02,800
Speaker 12: that such mistakes can be of in the future. So, yeah,

3726
03:19:03,040 --> 03:19:08,120
Speaker 12: that's the story of the Unit's Red Army. This has

3727
03:19:08,160 --> 03:19:09,039
Speaker 12: been it could happen here.

3728
03:19:09,560 --> 03:19:12,320
Speaker 3: It certainly could happen. No, I think it is a

3729
03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:16,640
Speaker 3: It is a really good example. Now it doesn't map

3730
03:19:16,720 --> 03:19:19,800
Speaker 3: on one to one because I don't think many many

3731
03:19:19,959 --> 03:19:24,600
Speaker 3: people are are doing exactly what the Red Army did

3732
03:19:24,680 --> 03:19:28,480
Speaker 3: in terms of their their style of militant struggle. But

3733
03:19:28,720 --> 03:19:31,920
Speaker 3: there's there's there's smaller scale versions, and there's still the

3734
03:19:32,040 --> 03:19:34,680
Speaker 3: kind of insular group dynamics, whether that's like just an

3735
03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:38,360
Speaker 3: affinity group, whether that's like a larger collective. I think

3736
03:19:38,400 --> 03:19:40,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of a lot of lessons to learn

3737
03:19:40,879 --> 03:19:44,440
Speaker 3: from the Red Army, and it'd be wrong just to

3738
03:19:45,720 --> 03:19:48,440
Speaker 3: dismiss this whole example as being a little bit too

3739
03:19:49,320 --> 03:19:52,960
Speaker 3: far fetched or just like two different because it is.

3740
03:19:53,080 --> 03:19:56,480
Speaker 3: It is a really tragic story, and I feel like

3741
03:19:56,520 --> 03:19:58,800
Speaker 3: people could learn learn more from this than what they

3742
03:19:59,320 --> 03:19:59,920
Speaker 3: initially think.

3743
03:20:00,640 --> 03:20:05,199
Speaker 12: Indeed, I agree, So don't go out there and start

3744
03:20:05,280 --> 03:20:10,000
Speaker 12: to unite your Red Army folks, try and avoid that.

3745
03:20:10,480 --> 03:20:12,360
Speaker 3: If you want to build a CAVIN, you can do

3746
03:20:12,480 --> 03:20:19,280
Speaker 3: it without burying twelve of your friends anyway, Thank you,

3747
03:20:19,720 --> 03:20:20,280
Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

3748
03:20:20,440 --> 03:20:22,320
Speaker 12: And true the problem?

3749
03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:27,880
Speaker 3: Where can the fine listeners find you on the internet?

3750
03:20:29,160 --> 03:20:33,240
Speaker 12: YouTube dot com, slash andrewism and nowhere else own I

3751
03:20:33,320 --> 03:20:38,119
Speaker 12: guess also Patreon dot com slash saying true. But other

3752
03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:41,400
Speaker 12: than that, I can't be found on the internet. I

3753
03:20:41,480 --> 03:20:42,080
Speaker 12: don't exist.

3754
03:20:42,720 --> 03:20:45,400
Speaker 3: Good for you, Good for you, just like the Red

3755
03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:47,680
Speaker 3: Army who doesn't exist anymore.

3756
03:21:00,760 --> 03:21:03,480
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, Welcome back to It Could

3757
03:21:03,640 --> 03:21:07,680
Speaker 2: Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart and coping

3758
03:21:07,760 --> 03:21:11,360
Speaker 2: with dystopia. And one of the first signs of our

3759
03:21:12,400 --> 03:21:16,280
Speaker 2: dystopia coming to be was the establishment of the TSA

3760
03:21:16,600 --> 03:21:19,960
Speaker 2: and the Department of Homeland Security more broadly. Obviously DHS

3761
03:21:20,480 --> 03:21:23,600
Speaker 2: much more problematic than just the TSA. We did a

3762
03:21:23,640 --> 03:21:26,760
Speaker 2: couple of episodes on them with Behind the Bastards back

3763
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:29,080
Speaker 2: in the day. But you know, the TSA came to

3764
03:21:29,160 --> 03:21:32,560
Speaker 2: be right after nine to eleven, and both its establishment,

3765
03:21:32,680 --> 03:21:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, the seeming necessity of it, and the kind

3766
03:21:35,320 --> 03:21:39,760
Speaker 2: of impositions into personal privacy that it made commonplace. We're

3767
03:21:39,800 --> 03:21:44,400
Speaker 2: both harbingers of the very fucked up era we find

3768
03:21:44,480 --> 03:21:47,640
Speaker 2: ourselves in now. And the TSA is an interesting law

3769
03:21:47,720 --> 03:21:51,800
Speaker 2: enforcement agency to me from the perspective of a normal person.

3770
03:21:51,959 --> 03:21:54,800
Speaker 2: I think they're kind of the least objectionable of our

3771
03:21:54,879 --> 03:21:58,760
Speaker 2: federal law enforcement agencies, right They at least, I should say,

3772
03:21:58,800 --> 03:22:00,520
Speaker 2: of all of the cops that we have in this country,

3773
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:02,520
Speaker 2: they're the ones you're least likely to have a serious

3774
03:22:02,560 --> 03:22:06,040
Speaker 2: problem with, right Like, they're not real cops in the

3775
03:22:06,120 --> 03:22:08,920
Speaker 2: way that most cops are. They don't like ticket or

3776
03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:12,760
Speaker 2: arrest you generally, unless you're one of the startling number

3777
03:22:12,760 --> 03:22:15,160
Speaker 2: of Americans who gets caught with a loaded handgun trying

3778
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:19,320
Speaker 2: to go through airport security. Mostly, and I've flown way

3779
03:22:19,400 --> 03:22:22,800
Speaker 2: more often than I want to remember, mostly My experience

3780
03:22:22,840 --> 03:22:25,440
Speaker 2: with TSA agents is they check your ID, you know,

3781
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:27,480
Speaker 2: they stare at an X ray machine where your shit

3782
03:22:27,600 --> 03:22:30,879
Speaker 2: goes through it. Sometimes they alert and swab some stuff.

3783
03:22:31,000 --> 03:22:33,200
Speaker 2: But you know, for me, it's usually not that big

3784
03:22:33,280 --> 03:22:35,320
Speaker 2: a deal. For most people, I know, it's not that

3785
03:22:35,400 --> 03:22:38,280
Speaker 2: big a deal. Obviously, you know, the degree to which

3786
03:22:38,320 --> 03:22:41,440
Speaker 2: it's a problem is going to vary widely depending on

3787
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:44,520
Speaker 2: whether or not you're a white dude. But that said,

3788
03:22:44,800 --> 03:22:48,480
Speaker 2: still less potential for things going horribly violently wrong and

3789
03:22:48,600 --> 03:22:51,240
Speaker 2: with a lot of police interactions. So I'll give them that.

3790
03:22:51,920 --> 03:22:54,160
Speaker 2: And it's interesting to me that kind of given this fact,

3791
03:22:55,480 --> 03:23:00,400
Speaker 2: the TSA is so hated, not by I think most Americans.

3792
03:23:00,440 --> 03:23:02,520
Speaker 2: I think we're all kind of frustrated by them. We know,

3793
03:23:02,840 --> 03:23:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, they're not great at their jobs. They get

3794
03:23:05,480 --> 03:23:09,160
Speaker 2: caught in tests, letting shit through all the time. It's

3795
03:23:09,240 --> 03:23:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of a pain in the butt. But there's a

3796
03:23:10,600 --> 03:23:14,120
Speaker 2: chunk of Americans who fucking hate the TSA, and they

3797
03:23:14,160 --> 03:23:17,440
Speaker 2: hate it because of how invasive it is. And it's

3798
03:23:17,480 --> 03:23:20,600
Speaker 2: a little weird if you're a regular person, because going

3799
03:23:20,640 --> 03:23:24,080
Speaker 2: through airport security is still less invasive than like applying

3800
03:23:24,120 --> 03:23:26,080
Speaker 2: for an apartment, which a lot of people do more

3801
03:23:26,120 --> 03:23:29,440
Speaker 2: regularly than they fly, or taking a trip to the DMV,

3802
03:23:29,560 --> 03:23:31,920
Speaker 2: which again a lot of people do more regularly than

3803
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:35,360
Speaker 2: they fly. But people, you know, with money, upper middle

3804
03:23:35,360 --> 03:23:39,360
Speaker 2: class and rich people, that's where you really get most

3805
03:23:39,480 --> 03:23:41,680
Speaker 2: of the hate from the TSA. Now, obviously there's some

3806
03:23:41,800 --> 03:23:45,080
Speaker 2: from principled libertarians, and I tend to think they have

3807
03:23:45,200 --> 03:23:47,320
Speaker 2: a point there, but there's a lot of people who

3808
03:23:47,400 --> 03:23:50,520
Speaker 2: really hate the TSA specifically because it's kind of the

3809
03:23:50,720 --> 03:23:53,520
Speaker 2: only law enforcement friction they deal with on a day

3810
03:23:53,520 --> 03:23:56,039
Speaker 2: to day basis. You know, they live in a neighborhood

3811
03:23:56,080 --> 03:23:58,440
Speaker 2: where they're not getting pulled over. You know, the cops

3812
03:23:58,560 --> 03:24:00,880
Speaker 2: their job is not to fuck with with the people

3813
03:24:00,920 --> 03:24:03,280
Speaker 2: who have money. So the only time they're going to

3814
03:24:03,320 --> 03:24:05,360
Speaker 2: get padded down and deal with that thing that is

3815
03:24:05,560 --> 03:24:08,200
Speaker 2: a pretty common experience for Americans and a lot of

3816
03:24:08,280 --> 03:24:11,640
Speaker 2: cities is when they go through the airport when they fly,

3817
03:24:11,840 --> 03:24:14,360
Speaker 2: and they also fly often because they have more money.

3818
03:24:14,760 --> 03:24:17,080
Speaker 2: So I find myself in this interesting position when reporting

3819
03:24:17,160 --> 03:24:19,880
Speaker 2: on the TSA, of there's real abuses there, there's a

3820
03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:22,520
Speaker 2: lot of real threats there. The fact that they do

3821
03:24:23,120 --> 03:24:26,279
Speaker 2: get so much up in our business and that we've normalized,

3822
03:24:26,320 --> 03:24:29,480
Speaker 2: it is an issue, and at the same time, like

3823
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:31,920
Speaker 2: I always know when I do something like this, the

3824
03:24:31,959 --> 03:24:34,200
Speaker 2: people who get angriest about whatever I write about the

3825
03:24:34,280 --> 03:24:36,440
Speaker 2: TSA are going to be the worst pieces of shit

3826
03:24:36,480 --> 03:24:38,480
Speaker 2: in the country. So it's a fun balancing act.

3827
03:24:38,800 --> 03:24:38,920
Speaker 1: Now.

3828
03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:42,360
Speaker 2: Obviously, as I'm trying not to gloss over, there are

3829
03:24:42,400 --> 03:24:44,640
Speaker 2: some really good reasons to be pissed at the TSA,

3830
03:24:45,080 --> 03:24:48,360
Speaker 2: like this twenty fifteen story from Denver of several agents

3831
03:24:48,360 --> 03:24:52,080
Speaker 2: who were caught running a groping scam. Basically, one female

3832
03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:54,880
Speaker 2: crew member would point out the men that she found attractive,

3833
03:24:54,920 --> 03:24:57,520
Speaker 2: and a colleague would signal that person out for a

3834
03:24:57,640 --> 03:25:00,480
Speaker 2: pat down, and they basically say, like, oh, it's alerting

3835
03:25:00,600 --> 03:25:03,160
Speaker 2: something around your growing or inner thighs, so that like

3836
03:25:03,320 --> 03:25:07,000
Speaker 2: she could bottle them. Essentially, Now these people got fired.

3837
03:25:07,040 --> 03:25:10,000
Speaker 2: The TSA went after them when they got caught, but

3838
03:25:10,080 --> 03:25:12,920
Speaker 2: who knows how many people they groped in the interim period.

3839
03:25:13,560 --> 03:25:16,520
Speaker 2: Video in twenty twenty three caught TSA agents at Miami

3840
03:25:16,680 --> 03:25:20,760
Speaker 2: International Airport stealing from passenger bags in the security lines.

3841
03:25:21,000 --> 03:25:23,880
Speaker 2: There's like footage of it. Obviously, the people who do

3842
03:25:24,040 --> 03:25:26,880
Speaker 2: this are going to be very, very stupid, because, like

3843
03:25:27,800 --> 03:25:30,080
Speaker 2: you know is a TSA agent. There's cameras all over

3844
03:25:30,120 --> 03:25:32,800
Speaker 2: the place. You're in the fucking TSA, and the video

3845
03:25:32,920 --> 03:25:34,800
Speaker 2: is just this guy like reaching his hand into a

3846
03:25:34,879 --> 03:25:39,200
Speaker 2: bag pulling out cash. It's not hard to find headlines

3847
03:25:39,320 --> 03:25:42,080
Speaker 2: that are similar, though, going back about as long as

3848
03:25:42,120 --> 03:25:45,840
Speaker 2: the TSA has existed, what interests me more are the

3849
03:25:46,040 --> 03:25:50,640
Speaker 2: massive violations of privacy and the potential involvement the TSA

3850
03:25:50,760 --> 03:25:54,200
Speaker 2: and their normalization of those invasions of privacy has in

3851
03:25:54,280 --> 03:25:57,320
Speaker 2: the expansion of the surveillance state. So this year at

3852
03:25:57,400 --> 03:26:00,600
Speaker 2: CEES twenty twenty four, when we found out the TSA

3853
03:26:00,800 --> 03:26:02,560
Speaker 2: had a booth and they were there to talk about

3854
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:05,880
Speaker 2: their new facial recognition scanners, Garrison and I had to

3855
03:26:05,959 --> 03:26:08,560
Speaker 2: go check it out, and the interview that we conducted

3856
03:26:08,680 --> 03:26:11,120
Speaker 2: is going to kind of be the heart of this episode,

3857
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:13,480
Speaker 2: but I wanted to get over a little bit more

3858
03:26:13,600 --> 03:26:17,800
Speaker 2: of a preamble first. So the TSA started testing facial

3859
03:26:17,879 --> 03:26:22,840
Speaker 2: recognition scanners on a voluntary basis at sixteen domestic airports,

3860
03:26:22,879 --> 03:26:25,800
Speaker 2: and I think twenty twenty two they expanded it to

3861
03:26:26,000 --> 03:26:29,480
Speaker 2: twenty five airports or so last year twenty twenty three,

3862
03:26:29,920 --> 03:26:32,280
Speaker 2: they are in twenty seven now, according to what we

3863
03:26:32,360 --> 03:26:34,720
Speaker 2: were told by a representative, and the goal is for

3864
03:26:34,840 --> 03:26:39,959
Speaker 2: this technology to go nationwide. Obviously, not everyone is thrilled

3865
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:42,280
Speaker 2: with that idea. And I'm going to quote from a

3866
03:26:42,520 --> 03:26:46,640
Speaker 2: June twenty twenty three article on CBS News. Five US

3867
03:26:46,720 --> 03:26:49,560
Speaker 2: senators sent a letter demanding the TSA halt the program.

3868
03:26:49,720 --> 03:26:53,039
Speaker 2: You don't have to compromise people's biometric security in order

3869
03:26:53,120 --> 03:26:57,840
Speaker 2: to provide physical security at airports, said Senator ed Marky Pokowski,

3870
03:26:58,000 --> 03:27:01,279
Speaker 2: who is the TSA representative, says he agrees with senators

3871
03:27:01,320 --> 03:27:04,000
Speaker 2: and that he wants to protect privacy for every passenger.

3872
03:27:04,280 --> 03:27:08,040
Speaker 2: I want to deploy technology that's accurate and doesn't disadvantage anybody.

3873
03:27:08,600 --> 03:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Privacy advocates worry about the lack of regulations around facial

3874
03:27:12,040 --> 03:27:15,280
Speaker 2: recognition and its tendency to be less accurate with people

3875
03:27:15,360 --> 03:27:18,400
Speaker 2: of color. Most images are deleted after use, but some

3876
03:27:18,600 --> 03:27:21,200
Speaker 2: information is encrypted and retained for up to twenty four

3877
03:27:21,240 --> 03:27:23,320
Speaker 2: months as part of the ongoing review of how the

3878
03:27:23,360 --> 03:27:26,920
Speaker 2: technology performs. What's left out of that article is that

3879
03:27:27,040 --> 03:27:30,360
Speaker 2: the TSA is also allowed to maintain biometric data taken

3880
03:27:30,440 --> 03:27:34,320
Speaker 2: from non citizens, people entering the country from foreign countries, migrants,

3881
03:27:34,400 --> 03:27:36,240
Speaker 2: and the like, and they're able to keep that and

3882
03:27:36,360 --> 03:27:38,840
Speaker 2: share it. It's kind of unclear the extent of that,

3883
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:41,240
Speaker 2: but they're not bound by the same rules with those

3884
03:27:41,280 --> 03:27:44,160
Speaker 2: people that they are for citizens. And there are other

3885
03:27:44,240 --> 03:27:46,720
Speaker 2: issues as well, as we'll get into. So Garrison and

3886
03:27:46,760 --> 03:27:48,520
Speaker 2: I were with excited to have a chance to chat

3887
03:27:48,600 --> 03:27:52,120
Speaker 2: with a TSA representative. This guy was less excited to

3888
03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:54,440
Speaker 2: see us, and we will get into that story, but

3889
03:27:54,600 --> 03:28:10,600
Speaker 2: before we do, it's time foreign ad break and we're back.

3890
03:28:11,040 --> 03:28:14,840
Speaker 2: So Garrison and I show up at the CES booth

3891
03:28:15,000 --> 03:28:17,160
Speaker 2: and it's kind of a small one. You might imagine

3892
03:28:17,200 --> 03:28:20,560
Speaker 2: it's about the size of like three normal office cubicles.

3893
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:23,440
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a couple of tables. There's like a little

3894
03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:26,120
Speaker 2: podium thing in the front that's got their logo on it.

3895
03:28:26,400 --> 03:28:30,240
Speaker 2: They have some stickers, including one that's like it's like,

3896
03:28:30,360 --> 03:28:34,000
Speaker 2: peanut butter is a liquid and it's a cartoon of

3897
03:28:34,040 --> 03:28:37,320
Speaker 2: peanut butter, which I was informed when I commented on

3898
03:28:37,400 --> 03:28:39,600
Speaker 2: it by one of the TSA people that yes, peanut

3899
03:28:39,640 --> 03:28:41,920
Speaker 2: butter is a liquid, which is one of those things

3900
03:28:41,920 --> 03:28:44,480
Speaker 2: that it's both absurd and also like, well, actually, I

3901
03:28:44,520 --> 03:28:47,240
Speaker 2: don't know how else you'd categorize peanut butter if you're

3902
03:28:47,280 --> 03:28:49,440
Speaker 2: the TSA, so I guess it's something.

3903
03:28:49,520 --> 03:28:52,640
Speaker 6: I can't have much of an issue with cream. But

3904
03:28:52,800 --> 03:28:54,039
Speaker 6: is a cream different from a liquid?

3905
03:28:54,080 --> 03:28:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's for the philosophers to decide. So

3906
03:28:57,680 --> 03:29:00,600
Speaker 2: Garrison and I come up to this booth and there's

3907
03:29:00,640 --> 03:29:02,280
Speaker 2: a guy standing behind the pode. I mean, the way

3908
03:29:02,360 --> 03:29:05,920
Speaker 2: stuff works at CEES is you have generally a mix

3909
03:29:06,120 --> 03:29:09,800
Speaker 2: of actual officers from the company. Sometimes it'll be like

3910
03:29:09,879 --> 03:29:12,760
Speaker 2: a CEO or an executive in the case of a

3911
03:29:12,840 --> 03:29:16,160
Speaker 2: smaller company. Other times it'll be regular employees or like

3912
03:29:16,280 --> 03:29:19,200
Speaker 2: engineers and stuff who can answer technical questions, and then

3913
03:29:19,240 --> 03:29:20,879
Speaker 2: a bunch of Most of the people that you talk

3914
03:29:20,920 --> 03:29:23,560
Speaker 2: to are like PR reps. I don't know who the

3915
03:29:23,640 --> 03:29:25,320
Speaker 2: guy was that was at the booth when we first

3916
03:29:25,400 --> 03:29:27,520
Speaker 2: showed up, because as soon as we said we wanted

3917
03:29:27,560 --> 03:29:30,440
Speaker 2: to talk about their facial recognition cameras, he saw we

3918
03:29:30,720 --> 03:29:34,240
Speaker 2: were media and he instantly did the PR equivalent of

3919
03:29:34,440 --> 03:29:37,320
Speaker 2: throwing his buddy on a grenade. He like backed off,

3920
03:29:37,360 --> 03:29:39,160
Speaker 2: He was like, let me get something for you. He

3921
03:29:39,320 --> 03:29:43,720
Speaker 2: pulled his coworker over and then he fucking vanished. And

3922
03:29:43,760 --> 03:29:45,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to play you a little bit of audio

3923
03:29:45,640 --> 03:29:47,680
Speaker 2: of that, we're interested in what you have here in

3924
03:29:47,760 --> 03:29:48,880
Speaker 2: terms of facial recognition.

3925
03:29:49,280 --> 03:29:51,000
Speaker 1: It's the cat too right over there.

3926
03:29:51,080 --> 03:29:54,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what are you saying, because I know

3927
03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:57,879
Speaker 6: right now, like if you've got pre check or oh gosh,

3928
03:29:57,920 --> 03:30:00,160
Speaker 6: what's the other one? The independent company that we I'm

3929
03:30:00,360 --> 03:30:03,360
Speaker 6: on a live interview now, I thought, so, I mean

3930
03:30:03,440 --> 03:30:05,160
Speaker 6: we came up to ask to talk to a TSA.

3931
03:30:05,400 --> 03:30:08,680
Speaker 7: Okay, sure, yeah, sure, hang on just a second.

3932
03:30:09,800 --> 03:30:11,760
Speaker 2: So the guy we found ourselves in front of was

3933
03:30:11,879 --> 03:30:15,360
Speaker 2: our Carter Langston, who is actually the Press secretary of

3934
03:30:15,440 --> 03:30:17,720
Speaker 2: the TSA, and by god, I don't know if I've

3935
03:30:17,760 --> 03:30:21,080
Speaker 2: ever seen a man less happy to see me. Eventually

3936
03:30:21,440 --> 03:30:24,080
Speaker 2: we started talking, and I have to give Carter credit

3937
03:30:24,200 --> 03:30:28,080
Speaker 2: for professionalism. His eyes said I despise you both on principle,

3938
03:30:28,120 --> 03:30:30,720
Speaker 2: and I am enraged to be doing this, but his

3939
03:30:30,879 --> 03:30:35,080
Speaker 2: voice remained calm, even and his responses were to be

3940
03:30:35,200 --> 03:30:37,000
Speaker 2: quite honest, pretty polished.

3941
03:30:37,440 --> 03:30:39,240
Speaker 6: I'm kind of interested in sort of how you see

3942
03:30:39,320 --> 03:30:42,640
Speaker 6: this altering the way we do air travel over the

3943
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:46,440
Speaker 6: next five ten years, right, because obviously right now people

3944
03:30:46,440 --> 03:30:49,320
Speaker 6: are using facial recognition if they have pre check or

3945
03:30:49,360 --> 03:30:51,720
Speaker 6: they have I'm spacing the name, but you know, the

3946
03:30:51,760 --> 03:30:54,600
Speaker 6: independent company that does get you to pass the line

3947
03:30:54,680 --> 03:30:57,720
Speaker 6: and stuff like they do, like facial recognition when you

3948
03:30:57,879 --> 03:31:00,360
Speaker 6: are in the airport. Is this something that you is

3949
03:31:00,440 --> 03:31:04,200
Speaker 6: coming more broadly to like everybody going through security in the.

3950
03:31:04,240 --> 03:31:07,480
Speaker 1: Future, eventually, eventually.

3951
03:31:09,120 --> 03:31:13,160
Speaker 7: So right now it's at twenty seven participating airports, and

3952
03:31:13,320 --> 03:31:16,959
Speaker 7: it's not at every single we call them travel.

3953
03:31:16,720 --> 03:31:18,080
Speaker 2: Document checker podiums.

3954
03:31:18,760 --> 03:31:19,920
Speaker 1: It's not at every.

3955
03:31:19,760 --> 03:31:26,640
Speaker 7: Single checker travel Document checkerdum TDC, for sure, but it

3956
03:31:27,040 --> 03:31:33,800
Speaker 7: is growing and becoming We're deploying more and more as

3957
03:31:34,120 --> 03:31:40,720
Speaker 7: as funding becomes available for we're using facial recognition to

3958
03:31:42,160 --> 03:31:48,400
Speaker 7: identify passengers. It's a it's a significant improvement over the

3959
03:31:49,080 --> 03:31:53,199
Speaker 7: previous way we were identifying passengers just with the human

3960
03:31:53,400 --> 03:31:57,920
Speaker 7: interaction looking at an ID credential and looking at it

3961
03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:02,800
Speaker 7: based on what that individual knows about the fifty states

3962
03:32:02,920 --> 03:32:04,600
Speaker 7: and territories.

3963
03:32:05,360 --> 03:32:08,120
Speaker 1: And how they could what their credentials look like.

3964
03:32:09,560 --> 03:32:13,360
Speaker 7: The technology actually takes that over and does a much

3965
03:32:13,840 --> 03:32:20,320
Speaker 7: better job of validating the authenticity of that idea. And

3966
03:32:20,440 --> 03:32:24,920
Speaker 7: then the facial recognition component with a picture still image

3967
03:32:25,720 --> 03:32:28,680
Speaker 7: taking a picture of the passenger standing in front of

3968
03:32:28,840 --> 03:32:34,840
Speaker 7: the travel document check or podium and then matching that

3969
03:32:35,080 --> 03:32:39,960
Speaker 7: picture of that person standing there live against the credential

3970
03:32:40,320 --> 03:32:44,880
Speaker 7: photo and making a match that way, so we know

3971
03:32:45,160 --> 03:32:51,880
Speaker 7: that the credential is valid, it's true, it's accurate. We

3972
03:32:52,080 --> 03:32:55,080
Speaker 7: know that the person standing there is also the person

3973
03:32:55,560 --> 03:33:00,840
Speaker 7: on the credential. We can verify the boarding status and

3974
03:33:01,000 --> 03:33:05,879
Speaker 7: the screening status of that individual and can provide them with.

3975
03:33:07,560 --> 03:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Where they should go.

3976
03:33:08,600 --> 03:33:13,520
Speaker 7: Next for their screening because the officer is able to

3977
03:33:13,640 --> 03:33:16,960
Speaker 7: discern based on all of the information provided at the

3978
03:33:17,040 --> 03:33:21,320
Speaker 7: back end of the monitor that they reviewed. They can

3979
03:33:21,440 --> 03:33:26,760
Speaker 7: see all of those items have been checked, there's a

3980
03:33:26,840 --> 03:33:30,200
Speaker 7: boarding status, and there's a screening status, and then just

3981
03:33:30,280 --> 03:33:33,600
Speaker 7: tells the passenger where to go to follow up for screening.

3982
03:33:34,280 --> 03:33:38,080
Speaker 6: So I'm interested in how how someone becomes basically enrolled

3983
03:33:38,080 --> 03:33:40,800
Speaker 6: in this right, because my assumption is at this point,

3984
03:33:41,640 --> 03:33:44,000
Speaker 6: just the picture you get when you're getting your driver's

3985
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:47,120
Speaker 6: license or your state ID for the DMV is not

3986
03:33:47,280 --> 03:33:50,960
Speaker 6: sufficient for a facial recognition system, right, simply having the

3987
03:33:51,040 --> 03:33:53,480
Speaker 6: picture in the government space. You need to have somebody

3988
03:33:53,840 --> 03:33:57,040
Speaker 6: to like get their face scanned, their irises scanned or

3989
03:33:57,080 --> 03:33:57,560
Speaker 6: something like that.

3990
03:33:57,600 --> 03:34:00,440
Speaker 2: In order to have them in the system, right, not in.

3991
03:34:00,520 --> 03:34:01,360
Speaker 6: The system at all.

3992
03:34:02,400 --> 03:34:06,200
Speaker 7: So with the way we're rolling these out at airports

3993
03:34:06,280 --> 03:34:10,520
Speaker 7: and check brains is once a passenger has been identified

3994
03:34:11,400 --> 03:34:17,600
Speaker 7: and that and goes into screening, all of the information.

3995
03:34:17,879 --> 03:34:20,160
Speaker 1: That was captured is gone.

3996
03:34:21,360 --> 03:34:25,480
Speaker 7: We don't store any of the pictures participation right now,

3997
03:34:25,560 --> 03:34:26,800
Speaker 7: it's completely volative.

3998
03:34:27,720 --> 03:34:27,840
Speaker 3: UH.

3999
03:34:27,959 --> 03:34:32,680
Speaker 7: Their signage right there at the checker podium UH to

4000
03:34:33,200 --> 03:34:40,120
Speaker 7: indicate that passengers can opt out, they don't have to

4001
03:34:40,200 --> 03:34:44,040
Speaker 7: participate and all that. All it happens at that point

4002
03:34:44,760 --> 03:34:54,720
Speaker 7: is the same officer will UH will turn basically over

4003
03:34:54,840 --> 03:35:01,119
Speaker 7: to the alternative process, review the ID, review the boarding

4004
03:35:01,280 --> 03:35:04,120
Speaker 7: pass and allow the passenger.

4005
03:35:03,720 --> 03:35:05,959
Speaker 1: To continue too easy.

4006
03:35:06,680 --> 03:35:09,120
Speaker 7: So if you don't lose their place in line, and

4007
03:35:09,240 --> 03:35:13,520
Speaker 7: they don't, they're not delayed in any way from getting

4008
03:35:13,600 --> 03:35:14,640
Speaker 7: screen But.

4009
03:35:14,760 --> 03:35:17,080
Speaker 2: I'm in terms of like the people who choose to

4010
03:35:17,240 --> 03:35:17,480
Speaker 2: use it.

4011
03:35:17,640 --> 03:35:20,160
Speaker 6: Right, So if you if you're in this system, is

4012
03:35:20,240 --> 03:35:23,280
Speaker 6: it literally just comparing your face to the face on

4013
03:35:23,400 --> 03:35:25,600
Speaker 6: the I D. You're not like en roll separately the

4014
03:35:25,640 --> 03:35:28,000
Speaker 6: way you are if you are in like pree checkers.

4015
03:35:28,560 --> 03:35:30,600
Speaker 1: No, okay, no it's not.

4016
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:36,360
Speaker 7: There's not a database associated BABS and so no, that's

4017
03:35:36,520 --> 03:35:37,600
Speaker 7: that's not our use.

4018
03:35:38,400 --> 03:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Now.

4019
03:35:40,360 --> 03:35:43,080
Speaker 7: Some of the airlines have partnered with US. They saw

4020
03:35:43,120 --> 03:35:47,880
Speaker 7: a benefit in it, and they're using similar technology for

4021
03:35:48,040 --> 03:35:55,680
Speaker 7: backdrop for their Frequent Flyer Miles program participants. So that

4022
03:35:56,160 --> 03:36:01,280
Speaker 7: is there's a database associated with that obvious, and so

4023
03:36:02,600 --> 03:36:10,960
Speaker 7: those passengers are company have an entirely different experience. Yeah,

4024
03:36:11,000 --> 03:36:13,640
Speaker 7: but the way that we're using it at the checkpoint

4025
03:36:14,800 --> 03:36:18,280
Speaker 7: is as I just said, for identity verification.

4026
03:36:19,080 --> 03:36:22,680
Speaker 2: Got you caught that right? How he says participation is

4027
03:36:22,840 --> 03:36:26,840
Speaker 2: voluntary right now? Well, I hadn't come across this information

4028
03:36:26,920 --> 03:36:29,880
Speaker 2: at the time, but afterwards I read a fascinating Washington

4029
03:36:29,920 --> 03:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Post article from last summer about Portland Senator Jeff Murkley.

4030
03:36:34,240 --> 03:36:36,760
Speaker 2: Jeff Merkley says that when he was trying to make

4031
03:36:36,800 --> 03:36:39,400
Speaker 2: a flight at Reagan International Airport, he was told that

4032
03:36:39,480 --> 03:36:42,200
Speaker 2: if he didn't verify his ID via face scanner, he

4033
03:36:42,240 --> 03:36:46,040
Speaker 2: would face a significant delay. Quote from the article. There

4034
03:36:46,160 --> 03:36:48,640
Speaker 2: was no delay, the spokeswoman said. The senator showed his

4035
03:36:48,720 --> 03:36:51,240
Speaker 2: photo ID to the TSA agent in cleared security.

4036
03:36:51,320 --> 03:36:52,800
Speaker 6: So basically he was lied to.

4037
03:36:53,000 --> 03:36:55,200
Speaker 2: Somebody lied and said you're going to if you don't

4038
03:36:55,200 --> 03:36:57,240
Speaker 2: want to like be delayed and maybe miss your flight,

4039
03:36:57,680 --> 03:36:59,920
Speaker 2: you have to submit to a face scan which is

4040
03:37:00,320 --> 03:37:02,920
Speaker 2: one of the things that privacy advocates were worried about

4041
03:37:03,000 --> 03:37:05,760
Speaker 2: from the beginning. But you know what, privacy advocates aren't

4042
03:37:05,760 --> 03:37:09,840
Speaker 2: worried about the products and services that support this podcast,

4043
03:37:21,080 --> 03:37:24,440
Speaker 2: and we're back. So I think when it gets right

4044
03:37:24,520 --> 03:37:26,680
Speaker 2: down to it, the silliest part of all of this

4045
03:37:26,840 --> 03:37:29,240
Speaker 2: to me is that the TSA isn't even claiming they

4046
03:37:29,320 --> 03:37:33,400
Speaker 2: need to run faces through like some futuristic database of terrorists,

4047
03:37:33,480 --> 03:37:35,880
Speaker 2: right like they want to scan our faces so they

4048
03:37:35,959 --> 03:37:38,360
Speaker 2: know if this like bad guy they're tracking is in

4049
03:37:38,440 --> 03:37:40,800
Speaker 2: the airport in Disgui, it's using a fake passport or

4050
03:37:40,840 --> 03:37:44,560
Speaker 2: something that's not actually what it does. Facial recognition the

4051
03:37:44,680 --> 03:37:48,440
Speaker 2: TSA is using right now, at least, just takes the

4052
03:37:48,520 --> 03:37:51,360
Speaker 2: place of the TSA guy. You hand your ID before

4053
03:37:51,400 --> 03:37:53,680
Speaker 2: you go put your shit in bins, right like, you know,

4054
03:37:54,000 --> 03:37:56,240
Speaker 2: you go up and before you can go take your

4055
03:37:56,240 --> 03:37:58,080
Speaker 2: stuff out of your bags and put it in those bins.

4056
03:37:58,320 --> 03:38:00,800
Speaker 2: You hand a guy your license times your license and

4057
03:38:00,840 --> 03:38:03,039
Speaker 2: boarding pass. He looks at it in your face. If

4058
03:38:03,080 --> 03:38:04,440
Speaker 2: you wear at a mask, he tells you to take

4059
03:38:04,480 --> 03:38:06,240
Speaker 2: it down for a second and then he lets you

4060
03:38:06,320 --> 03:38:09,160
Speaker 2: go in. Right, That's what the facial recognition scanners are

4061
03:38:09,280 --> 03:38:13,039
Speaker 2: actually doing here. That Washington Post article also cites an

4062
03:38:13,080 --> 03:38:16,080
Speaker 2: anti facial recognition activist, Tauana Petty, who says that she

4063
03:38:16,280 --> 03:38:19,240
Speaker 2: was told by a TSA agent at the same airport, Reagan,

4064
03:38:19,720 --> 03:38:23,640
Speaker 2: that undergoing facial recognition scanning was not optional. So people

4065
03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:26,560
Speaker 2: are already being told this is a requirement. And obviously,

4066
03:38:27,280 --> 03:38:30,440
Speaker 2: as a spoiler for where this goes, the bigger, deeper

4067
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:33,600
Speaker 2: question is like how long is that going to be

4068
03:38:33,720 --> 03:38:34,120
Speaker 2: the case?

4069
03:38:34,440 --> 03:38:34,600
Speaker 1: Right?

4070
03:38:35,360 --> 03:38:39,039
Speaker 2: So you know that's kind of the big concern, right,

4071
03:38:39,280 --> 03:38:41,960
Speaker 2: is that they're saying it's optional now, it obviously won't

4072
03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:43,800
Speaker 2: be forever, and some people are just going to be

4073
03:38:43,879 --> 03:38:46,199
Speaker 2: told they don't have a choice, Like that's kind of bullying,

4074
03:38:46,360 --> 03:38:49,240
Speaker 2: strong arming people, threatening that they'll miss their flight if

4075
03:38:49,280 --> 03:38:52,039
Speaker 2: they don't submit to it, which makes me extra suspicious

4076
03:38:52,040 --> 03:38:54,879
Speaker 2: about their data retention, right, And that is the question

4077
03:38:55,040 --> 03:38:58,480
Speaker 2: we asked as the interview went on, where is the TSAs,

4078
03:38:58,600 --> 03:39:01,600
Speaker 2: But where is the TSA's byometric data or really where

4079
03:39:01,720 --> 03:39:05,800
Speaker 2: is passenger biometric data actually going to go once the

4080
03:39:05,879 --> 03:39:06,840
Speaker 2: TSA has it?

4081
03:39:07,320 --> 03:39:11,600
Speaker 3: In terms of the information storage is is there? I

4082
03:39:11,720 --> 03:39:14,720
Speaker 3: know I've been seeing more of these like signs the

4083
03:39:14,760 --> 03:39:17,480
Speaker 3: more that I travel. It's I do a decent bit

4084
03:39:17,480 --> 03:39:20,040
Speaker 3: of traveling for these for these sorts of systems. And

4085
03:39:20,160 --> 03:39:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm curious with how this works for non US citizens

4086
03:39:24,120 --> 03:39:26,840
Speaker 3: if because I know there's there's certain at least in

4087
03:39:27,040 --> 03:39:29,440
Speaker 3: some of the technology that's being used by customers of

4088
03:39:29,520 --> 03:39:33,680
Speaker 3: border patrol, they do store images captured of non US

4089
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:35,039
Speaker 3: citizens for a certain time period.

4090
03:39:35,280 --> 03:39:36,240
Speaker 1: They do take pictures of.

4091
03:39:36,280 --> 03:39:38,360
Speaker 3: US citizens when entering the country at.

4092
03:39:38,400 --> 03:39:39,959
Speaker 1: Lots of lots of airports.

4093
03:39:40,920 --> 03:39:43,200
Speaker 3: Are there are these two systems interacting at all? Or

4094
03:39:43,600 --> 03:39:46,560
Speaker 3: is the TSA system and not customers about customs and

4095
03:39:46,600 --> 03:39:48,680
Speaker 3: voter patrol system more separated?

4096
03:39:49,280 --> 03:39:51,800
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I can't speak for customs and

4097
03:39:51,840 --> 03:39:55,920
Speaker 7: border protection, but I can tell you that where you

4098
03:39:56,440 --> 03:39:59,240
Speaker 7: we have two very different use cases. So in their

4099
03:39:59,360 --> 03:40:03,960
Speaker 7: use cases very much oriented in the customs arena, and

4100
03:40:04,080 --> 03:40:07,959
Speaker 7: then ours is as I just mentioned, at the checkpoint

4101
03:40:08,680 --> 03:40:15,039
Speaker 7: and solely for the identity verification. And if an international

4102
03:40:15,160 --> 03:40:23,160
Speaker 7: passenger comes in with a credential that identifies them, then

4103
03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:29,480
Speaker 7: the unit would obviously accept that credential. It's a photo,

4104
03:40:30,040 --> 03:40:33,520
Speaker 7: it's a photo credential. So again all that the system

4105
03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:37,920
Speaker 7: would do is validate that that person on that credential

4106
03:40:38,080 --> 03:40:41,160
Speaker 7: is also the same person that's standing right there in

4107
03:40:41,280 --> 03:40:43,000
Speaker 7: front of the travel document checker.

4108
03:40:43,800 --> 03:40:46,560
Speaker 2: Okay, most of you are probably aware of this, but

4109
03:40:46,680 --> 03:40:49,400
Speaker 2: the TSA actually does not have a good record of

4110
03:40:49,440 --> 03:40:52,279
Speaker 2: protecting private data. Now this is not old man Robert

4111
03:40:52,360 --> 03:40:56,000
Speaker 2: being a libertarian, it's just documented history. The TSA initially

4112
03:40:56,120 --> 03:40:59,080
Speaker 2: claimed their full body scanners, which took what are essentially

4113
03:40:59,200 --> 03:41:03,320
Speaker 2: naked pictures, never stored photos and couldn't transmit them. But

4114
03:41:03,400 --> 03:41:05,880
Speaker 2: in twenty ten this was revealed to be a lie

4115
03:41:06,160 --> 03:41:09,879
Speaker 2: when we gained access to documents that included technical specifications

4116
03:41:09,959 --> 03:41:13,720
Speaker 2: and vendor contracts which indicated the TSA required vendors of

4117
03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:16,840
Speaker 2: these scanners to provide equipment that can store and send

4118
03:41:16,920 --> 03:41:19,440
Speaker 2: images of screen passengers. Now this was supposed to only

4119
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:21,840
Speaker 2: be in testing mode, but if it can store and

4120
03:41:22,080 --> 03:41:25,400
Speaker 2: send images of screened passengers, it can store and send

4121
03:41:25,480 --> 03:41:29,440
Speaker 2: images of screened passengers. In twenty twelve, a former TSA

4122
03:41:29,560 --> 03:41:32,640
Speaker 2: agent accused his coworkers of saving nude body images of

4123
03:41:32,720 --> 03:41:35,640
Speaker 2: passengers from the body scanner and making fun of them

4124
03:41:35,720 --> 03:41:38,320
Speaker 2: in back rooms. He said that safeguards were put in

4125
03:41:38,400 --> 03:41:40,920
Speaker 2: place to ensure the agents manning the scanners never saw

4126
03:41:41,000 --> 03:41:44,040
Speaker 2: the people they were scanning outside of the scanner, but

4127
03:41:44,200 --> 03:41:48,440
Speaker 2: that these policies were frequently violated. Basically, every privacy policy

4128
03:41:48,520 --> 03:41:51,480
Speaker 2: they had was frequently violated by agents so that they

4129
03:41:51,520 --> 03:41:54,040
Speaker 2: could make fun of people's dicks, Right, that's the story.

4130
03:41:54,600 --> 03:41:57,800
Speaker 2: The TSA retired its old scanners the next year, replacing

4131
03:41:57,840 --> 03:42:01,080
Speaker 2: them with a device that showed less detail, particularly provided

4132
03:42:01,120 --> 03:42:04,480
Speaker 2: agents with less clear looks at people's dongs. In twenty

4133
03:42:04,600 --> 03:42:07,600
Speaker 2: twenty one, a TSA agent in Minneapolis was accused by

4134
03:42:07,640 --> 03:42:10,320
Speaker 2: airport police of taking dozens of photos of young women

4135
03:42:10,440 --> 03:42:13,600
Speaker 2: going through flight screening. The TSA's record here, both in

4136
03:42:13,720 --> 03:42:16,680
Speaker 2: terms of the agency itself and in terms of its employees,

4137
03:42:17,120 --> 03:42:20,520
Speaker 2: is certainly not worse than numerous police departments right or

4138
03:42:20,600 --> 03:42:23,320
Speaker 2: the FBI. This is something to keep in mind. As

4139
03:42:23,520 --> 03:42:26,840
Speaker 2: frustrating as all this stuff is, literally every local and

4140
03:42:27,360 --> 03:42:31,480
Speaker 2: city law enforcement agency has worse cases, and by gods,

4141
03:42:31,560 --> 03:42:34,039
Speaker 2: so do the FEDS could make a case that, as

4142
03:42:34,120 --> 03:42:36,080
Speaker 2: frustrating as a lot of this is, the TSA is

4143
03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:38,199
Speaker 2: less of a threat to privacy than most other federal

4144
03:42:38,320 --> 03:42:41,560
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies. But that's beside the point. For one thing,

4145
03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:45,960
Speaker 2: normalizing facial recognition technology in the airports is a step

4146
03:42:46,040 --> 03:42:50,200
Speaker 2: towards normalizing it everywhere, the data that is gathered will

4147
03:42:50,240 --> 03:42:54,400
Speaker 2: not always be deleted, and more to the point, there's

4148
03:42:54,440 --> 03:42:56,120
Speaker 2: no way to know that the system isn't going to

4149
03:42:56,200 --> 03:42:59,520
Speaker 2: expand in directions that we all find deeply uncomfortable as

4150
03:42:59,560 --> 03:43:01,320
Speaker 2: it goes on. That's why you kind of have to

4151
03:43:01,440 --> 03:43:04,040
Speaker 2: nip this stuff in the bud, especially since they're not

4152
03:43:04,160 --> 03:43:08,000
Speaker 2: really promising extra security here. When you look at the

4153
03:43:08,440 --> 03:43:10,280
Speaker 2: scandals of the TSA, a lot of it has to

4154
03:43:10,320 --> 03:43:12,800
Speaker 2: do with the fact that they'll be getting tested by

4155
03:43:12,879 --> 03:43:14,880
Speaker 2: some other law enforcement agency to see if they can

4156
03:43:15,000 --> 03:43:17,920
Speaker 2: like sneak shit through, right, and the TSAO led a

4157
03:43:17,959 --> 03:43:20,119
Speaker 2: bunch of guns or a fake bomb or whatever through

4158
03:43:20,200 --> 03:43:23,400
Speaker 2: because people aren't paying attention. Facial scanners aren't going to

4159
03:43:23,480 --> 03:43:25,120
Speaker 2: catch that, and it's kind of unclear to me what

4160
03:43:25,240 --> 03:43:28,680
Speaker 2: they are going to catch. My other bigger issue is

4161
03:43:28,720 --> 03:43:31,920
Speaker 2: that even though they say they're going to throw away

4162
03:43:31,959 --> 03:43:34,040
Speaker 2: biometric data, they're not going to keep it more than

4163
03:43:34,120 --> 03:43:37,960
Speaker 2: twenty four hours outside of special situations, which they do

4164
03:43:38,080 --> 03:43:40,240
Speaker 2: kind of leave themselves an end there. The fact that

4165
03:43:40,320 --> 03:43:42,360
Speaker 2: they say they're deleting this stuff doesn't mean they are

4166
03:43:42,440 --> 03:43:44,560
Speaker 2: going to delete that stuff. And I brought up this

4167
03:43:44,720 --> 03:43:48,840
Speaker 2: troubling history of like lack of respect for privacy, violations

4168
03:43:48,840 --> 03:43:51,520
Speaker 2: of privacy by TSA agents in the past within the

4169
03:43:51,600 --> 03:43:54,840
Speaker 2: context of this new system. And I want to play

4170
03:43:54,920 --> 03:43:57,440
Speaker 2: Carter's answer for you. I am curious.

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03:43:57,520 --> 03:44:00,360
Speaker 6: You know, there were a couple of last mic or

4172
03:44:00,440 --> 03:44:03,680
Speaker 6: six years, a couple of cases stories that grew up

4173
03:44:03,760 --> 03:44:07,960
Speaker 6: of pictures, images of passengers who were on the body

4174
03:44:08,040 --> 03:44:11,879
Speaker 6: scanners being shared, right like that said they were before,

4175
03:44:11,879 --> 03:44:15,560
Speaker 6: a couple of scandals about that, and that influenced your

4176
03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:18,760
Speaker 6: attitudes on the data attention policy that should exist for

4177
03:44:19,320 --> 03:44:20,400
Speaker 6: the facial recognitions.

4178
03:44:21,080 --> 03:44:26,400
Speaker 7: So let me first tell you that we follow the

4179
03:44:26,520 --> 03:44:31,920
Speaker 7: National Institute of National Institute of Standards and Technology their

4180
03:44:32,040 --> 03:44:37,440
Speaker 7: guidelines and standards to a t. Not only that we

4181
03:44:37,640 --> 03:44:47,119
Speaker 7: publish online our privacy impact assessments, so there are we're

4182
03:44:47,280 --> 03:44:52,039
Speaker 7: very transparent in our use of this technology, how we're

4183
03:44:52,120 --> 03:44:55,360
Speaker 7: using it, what we're using it for. And again it's

4184
03:44:55,440 --> 03:44:58,039
Speaker 7: completely voluntary, nothing.

4185
03:44:57,879 --> 03:45:01,879
Speaker 2: Is stored and similar and it's simply.

4186
03:45:04,840 --> 03:45:05,800
Speaker 1: Which is really the.

4187
03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:10,800
Speaker 7: Lynch transportation security. Yeah, I mean we've got to know

4188
03:45:11,200 --> 03:45:14,480
Speaker 7: that was who we're I guess going live into the

4189
03:45:14,560 --> 03:45:18,120
Speaker 7: secure area of an airport is in fact it's a

4190
03:45:18,240 --> 03:45:18,800
Speaker 7: person that.

4191
03:45:20,360 --> 03:45:23,720
Speaker 2: They say that so yeah, that's more or less how

4192
03:45:23,760 --> 03:45:27,480
Speaker 2: the conversation ended. Carter was very happy to see us go,

4193
03:45:27,840 --> 03:45:32,120
Speaker 2: and I don't think Garrison or I were particularly surprised

4194
03:45:32,320 --> 03:45:35,320
Speaker 2: by anything we heard, but I did find it interesting

4195
03:45:35,440 --> 03:45:38,080
Speaker 2: that he kind of confirmed the goal is eventually for

4196
03:45:38,200 --> 03:45:40,360
Speaker 2: this to not just be everywhere, but be something that

4197
03:45:40,480 --> 03:45:43,920
Speaker 2: you can't opt out of. And I do partly wonder

4198
03:45:44,320 --> 03:45:48,039
Speaker 2: how much of that is them looking for a way

4199
03:45:48,240 --> 03:45:50,560
Speaker 2: to get more data on people, maybe even to share

4200
03:45:50,600 --> 03:45:53,160
Speaker 2: to other law enforcement agencies, and how much of that

4201
03:45:53,480 --> 03:45:56,960
Speaker 2: is kind of the same reason a lot of you know,

4202
03:45:57,360 --> 03:46:01,400
Speaker 2: AI style technology and kind of facial recognition does sort

4203
03:46:01,400 --> 03:46:03,120
Speaker 2: of fall under that umbrella. If you're going to have

4204
03:46:03,240 --> 03:46:05,119
Speaker 2: a general intelligence, one thing it has to be able

4205
03:46:05,120 --> 03:46:07,360
Speaker 2: to do is recognize people's faces. So it is a

4206
03:46:07,480 --> 03:46:10,080
Speaker 2: piece of that and I think that, just like a

4207
03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:12,960
Speaker 2: lot of other applications of that kind of technology are

4208
03:46:13,000 --> 03:46:17,000
Speaker 2: inevitably used to cut workforces. That's kind of probably the

4209
03:46:17,160 --> 03:46:20,200
Speaker 2: chief thing the TSA is looking to use it to do. Right,

4210
03:46:20,680 --> 03:46:22,640
Speaker 2: if you can replace the guy who has to look

4211
03:46:22,680 --> 03:46:24,760
Speaker 2: at your ID, or at least most of them, with

4212
03:46:24,920 --> 03:46:27,800
Speaker 2: facial recognition scanners that do the same thing, then you

4213
03:46:27,920 --> 03:46:30,600
Speaker 2: can save on your budget right now. The downside of that,

4214
03:46:30,760 --> 03:46:33,000
Speaker 2: maybe to us. The upside is it could be faster.

4215
03:46:33,200 --> 03:46:35,480
Speaker 2: The downside, of course, is there's a really good chance

4216
03:46:35,560 --> 03:46:38,080
Speaker 2: it won't be. The robot will be even more racist

4217
03:46:38,120 --> 03:46:40,640
Speaker 2: than Asa age it might be. You know, it's one

4218
03:46:40,720 --> 03:46:42,880
Speaker 2: less chance to deal with a human with whom you

4219
03:46:42,959 --> 03:46:45,959
Speaker 2: might be able to talk something through. Anyway, Well, I'll

4220
03:46:46,000 --> 03:46:48,600
Speaker 2: see where this goes, but for today, this has been

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