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Speaker 1: chance to make long overdue investments in our infrastructure. Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: sell the agenda. Is actually they're already, but we're still

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Speaker 1: very same issues in hopes of striking a deal on

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Speaker 1: infrastructure and reconciliation by the end of this month. Still

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Speaker 1: unclear if that's possible, but we'll talk at it next

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Speaker 1: with Congressman Juan Vargas, Democrat from California, serves on the

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Speaker 1: House Financial Services Committee and as Republicans accused Democrats of

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Speaker 1: stoking inflation. Will analyze the messaging around this with the

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Speaker 1: panel later this hour. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and

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Speaker 1: the COVID States Project, a new survey on governor's approval

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Speaker 1: ratings and states with vaccine mandates and those without, and

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Speaker 1: specifically on Capitol Hill, with a perceived deadline of October

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Speaker 1: says deadlines not so much as President Joe Biden's agenda.

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Speaker 1: The White House is indicated that they're not on the timeline.

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Speaker 1: So no timeline either way. As I told David weston

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Speaker 1: we start with Congressman Juan Vargas, Democrat from California. Congressman,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. It's great to have you.

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Speaker 1: We keep hearing little bytes of news. Joe Mansion doesn't

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Speaker 1: like a clean energy provision, or childcare may have to

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Speaker 1: be cut down to fewer years. But big picture, how

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Speaker 1: important is it for your district, for your constituents to

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Speaker 1: get a deal this week? Well, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not on a timeline. We're on a

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Speaker 1: debt limit. We gotta raise that thing by December, for sure,

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Speaker 1: and also a budget, because we're gonna have to either

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Speaker 1: To quote your colleague from New Jersey, Josh Goddheimer, who

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Speaker 1: So I live on the border. I've lived my whole

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Speaker 1: it comes to parties. I think there is a general

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Speaker 1: perception that Republican governors don't like mandates and Democrats do.

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Speaker 1: Is that unfair? That's that's not unfair at all. That's

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Speaker 1: that's that's what you found. M We do. We do

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Speaker 1: find that Republican governors of UM historically blue states, uh

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Speaker 1: do do have vaccine mandates in place. You know, we

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Speaker 1: see that in Maryland, for instance, and a couple other

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Speaker 1: states like that. But general, Yes, she's a fellow at

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Speaker 1: Harvard Kennedy School, Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy.

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Speaker 1: A lot of thank you for being with us and

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Speaker 1: helping to digest these numbers coming up. We reassemble the panel,

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Speaker 1: Rick and Genie as I mentioned, with us for the hour.

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Speaker 1: As President Biden leaves Washington. Yeah, we're going back to Scranton.

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Speaker 1: My name is Joe Biden, and I am Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: husband and Jane Finning and son from North will in Avenue,

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Speaker 1: and I'm happy to be home. Well that's how we

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Speaker 1: do it. You know, it's presumption for me to say home.

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Speaker 1: I know so many people you know are from Scranton.

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Speaker 1: It sure seems like it is anyone here not from Scranton.

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Speaker 1: Don't raise your hand. We'll talk to Jennie and Rick

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Speaker 1: next as we reassemble the panel. On sound on, you're

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Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg you sound on with Joe Matthew on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. So yeah, it's on to Scranton, Pennsylvania. President

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Speaker 1: Biden heading back to his childhood at home to make

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Speaker 1: the case for his economic agenda and as usual, asked

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Speaker 1: about it by reporters as he was making his way

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Speaker 1: from the Oval Office to Marine One, the helicopter buzzing

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Speaker 1: there on the south lawn, and he did stop at

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Speaker 1: the rope line for a moment when asked if there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a deal here on infrastructure reconciliation is overall

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Speaker 1: economic agenda? What's the deal? Mr President? You all never

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Speaker 1: believed from the beginning it every day anything done. I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to do. I'm not sure everyone believed that,

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Speaker 1: but there you have it. And making a speech now

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Speaker 1: to his former towns members. Went to scrant a couple

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Speaker 1: of times during the campaign as well, speaking before an

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Speaker 1: American flag, has got the suit on and doing his thing.

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Speaker 1: As we bring the panel back Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie

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Speaker 1: Chantano and Rick Davis, Genie, is this effective as Republicans,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about this earlier in the hour, try

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Speaker 1: to attack President Biden on inflation, try to tie him

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Speaker 1: to higher prices and talk about that high class problem

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Speaker 1: that Ron Klaine retweeted, going back to the old town

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Speaker 1: talking to those working class people. Is that an effective strategy.

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Speaker 1: You can't go wrong going to Scranton, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. So this is a good day for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Look at we saw these meetings yesterday. I think everybody

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Speaker 1: that came out of them seemed a lot more optimistic

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Speaker 1: that they were closer to a deal then perhaps anybody recognized.

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Speaker 1: The President I think is moving in the right direction

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Speaker 1: now that he is making a much more reasonable pitch

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Speaker 1: at you know, between one point seven five and one

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Speaker 1: point nine trillion dollars. Obviously it depends on what's in

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Speaker 1: and out, and we're starting to hear that. But the

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Speaker 1: President is doing what the president has to do. He's

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Speaker 1: got to use the power of the bully pulpit. We

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Speaker 1: saw him doing that yesterday, arm twisting these you know,

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Speaker 1: senators and representatives and going out to the public today

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Speaker 1: and Scranton and making the case for this bill. And

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Speaker 1: what I'm hoping that we hear more of than I

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Speaker 1: think we're starting to is not just the top line,

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Speaker 1: but what it's going to do for the people of Scranton.

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Speaker 1: And the people across the country. That's what the president

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Speaker 1: has got to focus on. So I think he's got

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Speaker 1: to feel at least better about where he is today

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Speaker 1: than where he was, say forty eight hours ago. Are

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Speaker 1: you rolling your eyes here, Rick, or would you tell

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Speaker 1: President Biden go to Scranton make the case there? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think this is just convenient. I mean, Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 1: a great place to go, the any area around that

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Speaker 1: Lehigh Valley and and you know as a swing area

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Speaker 1: in the state. Uh, he's got his eye on not

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Speaker 1: just the mid terms but also on the elections in

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Speaker 1: so sure, yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt Scranting it.

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Speaker 1: Lets him be you know, Uncle Joe again, which we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen Uncle Joe show up in a long time.

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Speaker 1: And that was the whole theme at today's talk. But

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is, I think they're really focused on

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Speaker 1: democratic politics, right. How do we push this over the line,

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Speaker 1: how do we take credit for it with these constituents

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Speaker 1: in places like Scranton. They can ignore the Republicans, they

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Speaker 1: don't need their votes for any of this stuff. They

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Speaker 1: they can let them just go out and and try

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Speaker 1: to define this their way. But this is a Democrat issue. Uh,

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Speaker 1: They're going to go to Democrat places and and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk like Democrats to try and get support for

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Speaker 1: this and make Democrats in the House and the Senate

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with this. That is the number one job

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden's got to do. And as Genie said,

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Speaker 1: he's got the bully pulpit to do it. He used

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Speaker 1: the White House in the Oval Office to try and

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Speaker 1: get everybody act off of their hardcore positions, and I

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Speaker 1: think they've been successful. And so now it's a matter

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Speaker 1: of running to the finish line. His operatives on the

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Speaker 1: Hill are working to get a deal while he goes

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Speaker 1: out and sells it to the American people. Don't heard

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Speaker 1: him be called Uncle Joe in a while. He must

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Speaker 1: miss that. Not to mention and track Joe in the

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Speaker 1: billback Better Plan. I got more money for passenger rail

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Speaker 1: than the entire Amtrak system costs to begin with. He's

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Speaker 1: speaking right now, Jennie. It's it's interesting. As we heard yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Senator Rick Scott was on the program. I interviewed him

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill and he talked about growing up poor.

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Speaker 1: What is poor grandmother would have said about this? Inflation,

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Speaker 1: these high prices that used to be Joe Biden's act.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that that's right, and you know that I

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Speaker 1: I do believe that the President has tried to talk

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Speaker 1: about this issue of inflation. His hands, as we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: or a bit tied in terms of what he can do.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's unfortunate the retweeting on

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Speaker 1: ron Klain's part. Democrats have got to know that that's

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Speaker 1: what hits people in the pocketbook. When you go into

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Speaker 1: the grocery store. I was just there the other day,

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Speaker 1: and the shelves are less full. When you go to

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Speaker 1: buy a car and there's less to be offered, and

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Speaker 1: the prices are higher. These are things that hit all people,

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Speaker 1: not just the wealthy. Democrats know that the president's got

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Speaker 1: to get back on that message. But he's also got

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Speaker 1: to sell this build back better plan, and he's out

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Speaker 1: there trying to do that. Rick Davis. President Biden also

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Speaker 1: needs to sell a couple of ambassadors to the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate, beginning with Nicholas Burns. The President's no no

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Speaker 1: need to be US Ambassador to China. Burns calls for

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Speaker 1: a mix of competition and cooperation. The headline on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: He was asked in his hearing today in the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate about the Wuhan lab the Chinese government will

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Speaker 1: withheld information very clearly from their own people and the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world for about a month in late

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Speaker 1: December and January. I have consistently criticized it's the Chinese

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Speaker 1: government for that, and they deserve to be criticized, and

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Speaker 1: they've been stonewalling all of us around the world since January.

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Speaker 1: He said, Beijing exploits trade rules at the expense of

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Speaker 1: American business and workers, intimidates its neighbors, and his smothering

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Speaker 1: democracy in Hong Kong. Is he is he hitting all

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Speaker 1: the right notes? Because there has been some Republican pushback

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Speaker 1: on this nomination. Rick, Yeah, absolutely. I mean you know,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about that on this show. Many Yeah. I'm

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Speaker 1: that's oh gosh, all right. Um well, anyway, Uh, the

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Speaker 1: one unifier on Capitol Hill is bash in China, Republicans

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Speaker 1: do it, Democrats do it. He's got to get right

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Speaker 1: with some of these votes. It'll it'll resonate with people

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Speaker 1: like Ted Cruz have been putting holds on these folks.

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Speaker 1: So I think he I think he took a very

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Speaker 1: aggressive tone, and that is the sharp point of the

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Speaker 1: sphere within the Biden administration right now on their treatment

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Speaker 1: of China. They're pushing back hard, and I think that

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Speaker 1: that echoes their policy, but also it echoes a lot

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Speaker 1: of support within the Republican Party who want to see

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Speaker 1: a more aggressive approach by the Biden administration. Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: missed you a couple of words there. Does does this

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Speaker 1: move the Ted Cruises though? Or there's always going to

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Speaker 1: be some pushback on a nomination from Joe Biden. You know,

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Speaker 1: He's always going to push back on some nominations by

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Although he did not put a hold on

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Speaker 1: Sydney McCain, who got voted out of committee last night

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Speaker 1: and got hotline for the floor today. So there will

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Speaker 1: be progress, but not everybody can be Sydney McCain and

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Speaker 1: so on issues like this and thirty other ambassadors. Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruise has been a problem, and I think the administration

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Speaker 1: is going to have to figure out that they just

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Speaker 1: got to run these through regular order bypass the hold

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Speaker 1: and let let let Majority Leader Schumer really run rough

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Speaker 1: shot on the floor of the Senate to get these

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Speaker 1: nominations actually cleared. Shouldn't stop them from becoming ambassadors because

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Speaker 1: they have the ways and means to do it. But

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Speaker 1: but they got to say that that's what that's what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna use floor very valuable floor time to do.

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Speaker 1: We do need an envoy to Beijing at this point

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Speaker 1: in the game here, Genie, just a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this hypersonic missile that nobody knew

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Speaker 1: about in August, and god knows, we've had some issues

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Speaker 1: from everything from investing as I mentioned, to to geopolitics

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Speaker 1: between President she and Biden. It's time to pick someone here. No,

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Speaker 1: it absolutely is, and you know, Ted Cruz trying to

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Speaker 1: hold these up is no surprise. But you know, when

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Speaker 1: you look at the state of our relations with China,

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Speaker 1: you would think this is something that regardless of party,

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Speaker 1: all of these centers would want to get somebody in

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Speaker 1: place and over there, giving as you just mentioned, not

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Speaker 1: just the missile, but all of the other challenges we

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Speaker 1: face visa VI China. So you know, this is in

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Speaker 1: the interest of the entire United States, not just the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. And I agree with Rick that Biden is

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Speaker 1: going to just have to figure out a way and

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Speaker 1: let Chuck Schumer do his thing to get these people through.

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Speaker 1: But it's certainly in the best interest of everybody. So

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Speaker 1: you both see that being approved my my reading you

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Speaker 1: both right before I move on, Rick, Yes, that Burns

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Speaker 1: will ultimately be confirmed. Yes, absolutely so. As Ram Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: a different story, right, The former Chicago mayor, apologizing essentially today,

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Speaker 1: says that that not a day or week has gone

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Speaker 1: by he hasn't thought about the police shooting of Lakwa

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Speaker 1: McDonald in when he was Chicago mayor. He of course

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Speaker 1: has quite a bit of baggage from his time in

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Speaker 1: Washington as well. Rick, does he go to Japan? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he will likely not get the courtesy that many of

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Speaker 1: these appointees are going to get from Republicans in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think his nomination could be a

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Speaker 1: problem because the question is can he even have the

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Speaker 1: votes to get out of committee? And uh, And that'll

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Speaker 1: be the real question for Ram Emmanuel. He's the one

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Speaker 1: politician everybody loves to hate right now and uh and

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Speaker 1: probably amply qualified for the job. But but politics is

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Speaker 1: just not gonna pull his way. But look, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it just depends upon what what what the costs are

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Speaker 1: going to be to the Biden administration, but but Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz won't be the first guy that puts a hold

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Speaker 1: on that nomination. We'll put Chicago aside for a minute, Jennie,

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Speaker 1: just his time in Washington alone. Rominmanuel has had a

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Speaker 1: lot of years to ruffle, a lot of feathers, he has,

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Speaker 1: And talk about unfortunate timing, the fact that this hearing

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Speaker 1: was held on you know, the seventh year anniversary of

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Speaker 1: this killing. I mean, you know, and and of course

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Speaker 1: Bob Menendez, the chair of the committee, asked him for

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Speaker 1: his you know, to gave him an opportunity, I should say,

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Speaker 1: to respond, and he did and it was heartfelt. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, it's not just about this. This was

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Speaker 1: obviously a very important issue. But he has made plenty

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Speaker 1: of you know, sort of ruffled feathers, made plenty of

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Speaker 1: enemies in Washington over the years. And you know, he

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Speaker 1: is a figure that people do love to hate. So

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Speaker 1: I think he my my view is that he might

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Speaker 1: make it through. But I think this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: touch and go. But he is somebody who was qualified

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Speaker 1: for this. But you know, he's got to live with

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Speaker 1: the baggage of his background and what he's done in

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Speaker 1: Washington and elsewhere throughout his career. Is it just me

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Speaker 1: Rick or Aft where all these approvals take place, nobody

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Speaker 1: remembers them again unless something big blows up in China

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Speaker 1: could be an exception there. But my goodness, are we

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Speaker 1: going to be complaining about ambassador Will anyone be complaining

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Speaker 1: about Ambassador Emmanuel of Japan in a couple of months? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean Japan is a place you go to disappear,

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Speaker 1: although one of the more recent Japanese ambassadors is now

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Speaker 1: a United States Center from Tennessee, so they can be forgotten,

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Speaker 1: but they could always make a comeback, and God knows

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Speaker 1: he's done that before. Rick Davis, Genie She and Zano

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