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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two.

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Speaker 2: It's some meat Friday.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's here, Fritzie seat and Marv Paully yours truly the

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Speaker 3: back room guys as well, and the Tragger grills are

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Speaker 3: fired up, and so are we. Grilled ribbis, strip stakes,

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Speaker 3: filet mignon. Also, we have pork chumps, barbecue pork chumps,

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Speaker 3: and we have bacon Brussels sprouts, and we have polenta

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Speaker 3: as well. The meat's courtesy of Heartland Steak Company and

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Speaker 3: if you go to Heartland Steak coo dot com you

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Speaker 2: You can get the steaks that we get. It's great.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've held off on trying to get a

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Speaker 3: meat sponsor because I said, I want to get the

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Speaker 3: best one we can get. Because if I'm telling you

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Speaker 3: investing in, you know, these steaks ribbis that we get.

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Speaker 3: I want it to be top shelf, top quality, and

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what it is. And we and I love

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Speaker 3: showing you the start and finish of a meat Friday,

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Speaker 3: preparing it, putting him on the grill, taking them off

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Speaker 3: which seems kind of rude to be eating right in

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Speaker 3: front of you via the TV, but we don't apologize.

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Speaker 2: Who has it better than we do?

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Speaker 3: No body merchandise store open for business. We will have

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Speaker 3: I came up with pass Hole for Fritzi as a

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Speaker 2: Maybe is looming is more of a favorite Seaton.

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Speaker 4: Pass Hole is very good. We had a poll question

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Speaker 4: me just get the results from yesterday for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: We had five options for people. Let's see.

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Speaker 4: We had if I'm going too slow, Todd Fritz said,

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Speaker 4: go around me. He had left lane Camper, We had

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Speaker 4: life in the Past lane move Fritz to get out

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Speaker 3: If I passed you on the right, you must be

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Speaker 3: Todd Fitz.

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Speaker 5: Very personal, very personalized.

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Speaker 3: All of these make great bumper stickers.

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Speaker 2: They do.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they do.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about that. Let's see right now, the

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Speaker 4: audience seems to like, uh, God, I kiss you if

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Speaker 4: I'm going too slow, Todd Fritz said, go around me.

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Speaker 3: Seems to be the face. We'll come up with a

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Speaker 3: T shirt by the end of the day of Annable

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Speaker 3: Danpatrick dot com, and we'll sell it over the weekend. Yes, Todd,

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Speaker 3: I love the colors of the traffic lights, the red.

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Speaker 3: That's true. We put up three T shirts. If you're

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Speaker 3: watching on Peacock, so you have red yellow. We are

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Speaker 3: all right. By the way, thank you for downloading the app.

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Speaker 3: With Peacock on our radio affiliates around the country. Chris

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Speaker 3: Sims from Football Night in America will stop by. We'll

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Speaker 3: have the most must win game of the weekend coming

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Speaker 3: up a little bit later on as well. Seahawks hold

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Speaker 3: off the Cardinals and Seattle now improves to three and one,

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Speaker 3: a quiet three and one. By the way, Viking Steelers

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Speaker 3: will be in Ireland coming up on Sunday morning. Some

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Speaker 3: of the other great games Eagles Buccaneers. I think if

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Speaker 3: the Buccaneers win this game and Baker Mayfield plays well,

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Speaker 3: he'll be your leading candidate for MVP. The Colts and

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Speaker 3: the Rams, Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals, and the Broncos, just to

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Speaker 3: name a few. College football weekend as well. Will run

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Speaker 3: down some of those games. My favorite game is Washington

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Speaker 3: hosting Ohio State because Washington is good at home. They

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Speaker 2: So the sharps are all over you.

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Speaker 3: Dub in this one eight seven seven three DP Show

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Speaker 3: We've talked about quarterbacks. We certainly did in the first

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Speaker 3: hour that felt like there was I don't know piling

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Speaker 3: on last night on Thursday Night Football with Tony Gonzalez

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Speaker 2: We watch Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray has as much talent as anybody who's played

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Speaker 3: that position. It feels like, and I think I've said

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Speaker 3: this many times and I would say it too Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 3: it almost came too easy for him. And this isn't

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Speaker 3: all on him, but I still believe sometimes when you

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Speaker 3: have too much talent. You think you can get away

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Speaker 3: with more. You try to extend the play. Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: does this, Caleb Williams does this. Kyler Murray trying to

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Speaker 3: make a play. You're so used to making a play.

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Speaker 3: I could do this in high school, I could do

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Speaker 3: this in college. You can't do this consistently in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And Lamar Jackson's doing less of this, even though he

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Speaker 3: just got sacked what seven times by the Lions. Kyler

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Speaker 3: Murray got sacked what six times last night? Those are

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Speaker 3: horrible numbers. He shouldn't be getting sacked that many times now. Granted,

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Speaker 3: offensive lines they vary and how good they are, but

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Speaker 3: don't care how good the rush is. You can still

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Speaker 3: get rid of the ball. And I think a lot

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Speaker 3: he threw passes that couldn't be caught by anybody, and

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Speaker 3: in your career. And Russ has the fifth best touchdown

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Speaker 3: to interception ratio in the history of the game. He

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Speaker 3: former teammate and Tony Gonzalez, said, basically, Russ is washed

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Speaker 3: the Bengals. Would he be an upgrade over Jake Browning?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that, and I do the Legion of

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Speaker 3: Boom was unbelievable. But Russ in the last five years

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Speaker 3: a good defense. The offense stayed the same, scoring twenty

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Speaker 3: of years haven't been good at all, And I think

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Speaker 3: recency bias. Everybody has his strong opinion about Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Cam Newton had some things to say about two a

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Speaker 3: sees Tua and it feels like he's not all in.

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Speaker 3: He said, when you're being paid what you're asked to do,

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Speaker 3: what you have the capability of, from one quarterback to another,

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Speaker 3: I look at the situation like, come on, dog, especially

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Speaker 3: when you've got a Ferrari and a Lamborghini and other

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Speaker 3: So here is Tua talking about Cam Newton.

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Speaker 6: Anybody can play quarterback in this league, then, I mean

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Speaker 6: I want to see anybody on the streets come and

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Speaker 6: but you know, to it's I think it's easier to

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Speaker 6: do the same as them, right.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's it's it's all.

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Speaker 6: It's easy to do that. I think anybody can do that.

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Speaker 6: I don't think anybody can play quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Well, to hold on, Cam was an MVP. Cam went

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Speaker 3: to a Super Bowl. Cam was a great quarterback. He's

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Speaker 3: not a clipboard holder. He's not Chase Daniel breaking down

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Speaker 3: film or Dan or Lobsky. Well, no, I like he

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Speaker 3: could critique those guys because they didn't play at a

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Speaker 3: high level, okay, or as often. But now all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, you know, you can take anybody off the street.

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Speaker 3: That's not what Cam was saying. You have weapons, you're accurate,

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Speaker 3: and you should be better. And he played the position.

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Speaker 3: Now if I say it, Tua can say what does

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Speaker 3: he know? And he would be right. But you can't

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Speaker 3: say that about Cam Newton. Cam played the position at

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Speaker 3: a very high level. He helped carry an offense to

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Speaker 3: and win a game, and yes, this is what happens.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got a big you got a big contract,

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Speaker 3: and you didn't deserve that contract. They never should have

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Speaker 3: of the results against quality teams. They should have made

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Speaker 3: you play one more year and then franchise you, and

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Speaker 3: then franchise you. They went all in and they'll regret that.

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Speaker 3: But Cam has every right to be able to be

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Speaker 3: critical of your quarterback plaque. He's not a clipboard holder.

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Speaker 3: Let's see a couple of phone calls in here a Seaton.

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Speaker 3: What's the whole question for hour or two? We got

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Speaker 3: two of them up there. Let's see we put two

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Speaker 3: up for our one. We have vikings. Letting Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: We'll hunt them as sixty two percent of that vote

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Speaker 3: the NFL franchise that.

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Speaker 2: How many times were you voting PAULI for? That will

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Speaker 2: haunt them.

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Speaker 7: I'm not a hunter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're a Sam Donalder.

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Speaker 7: I'm a donaldist.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're a Donald. Oh my god, early.

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Speaker 3: You were in Early. I didn't hear from you when

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Speaker 3: he was in like Carolina and some of these other places.

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Speaker 3: Lying and you were playing the longest Okay, it was

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Speaker 3: a big forty nine ers era.

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Speaker 4: Huge Now that they got a real quarterback, Watch out,

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Speaker 4: Sam and I are.

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Speaker 2: Playing the law game, Dan, What else do you have?

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Speaker 3: NFL franchise that feels least competitive year to year. Your options.

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Speaker 3: There are Cardinals, Brown's, Jets, other right now the Jets.

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Speaker 2: I would have voted for the Jets as well. I

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Speaker 2: would that's a mess, you know, when you see. I

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Speaker 3: He had his jersey on and he was in the

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Speaker 3: supermarket on Sunday and I said, hey, good luck, and

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Speaker 3: he looked at me and he goes about what And

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Speaker 3: I said, no, your team. He goes, oh, we need

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Speaker 3: more in luck, we need talent, And I said, okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Seems like they're on an uptick with

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Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn nearly pulled out the win against Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be nice, you know.

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Speaker 7: I think that's what's maybe more frustrating about the Jets.

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Speaker 7: I think they have a talented roster. I mean, they've

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Speaker 7: got a very good wide receiver, a very good cornerback, Sauce.

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Speaker 7: They were aggressive trying to get even when they traded

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Speaker 3: And I don't think they've had good coaches, haven't been

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Speaker 2: You're the Jets and you play in giant stadium, Yes, Todd.

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Speaker 5: How does one gauge a culture change, which is what

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Speaker 3: I haven't been involved in something like that where it's

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Speaker 3: You are the culture change. Let's get rid of that guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Loomy.

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Speaker 3: Let me see Zach and Knoxville. Hey, Zach, what's on

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Speaker 8: Hedp? Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Two things.

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Speaker 9: One, everything you were just saying about Tua and what

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Speaker 10: I don't think.

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Speaker 8: And to take a big left turn.

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Speaker 9: Since you dabble in the arts, I wanted to know

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Speaker 3: I haven't delved into it. I don't know anything about

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Speaker 3: Zac James in Austin, Hi James, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hey Bee?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 2: You doing man good?

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Speaker 3: I had a T shirt idea okay, and maybe it's.

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Speaker 11: More of a philosophy for how fast Todd goes off

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Speaker 3: Ooh man, one of my favorite movies, by the way,

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Speaker 3: Gone in sixty seconds, Angelina, jo Lee, Nicholas Cage, Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 7: Is that a good bad movie or a good hockey movie?

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Speaker 2: But see they could have been The Fast and Furious?

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Speaker 8: Were they first?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Memphis Rains, give me.

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Speaker 2: A blue though, Giovanni Ribisi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but Angeline and Julie. It was like sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert, Robert Duval, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 12: The best part is that's not to me. That's not

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Speaker 12: I told you I was going to get that doll back.

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Speaker 12: However you said it, John Malkovich.

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Speaker 7: Nicholas Cage plays Cameron Poe and Conny Air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but how about pig.

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Speaker 4: Different eras though that's different. You can't include the pig

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Speaker 2: I want my pig, I want my pig.

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Speaker 7: Gone in sixty seconds, came out one year before.

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Speaker 2: They could have been Fast and Furious, and.

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Speaker 7: You're before Fast and Furious. Yes, better hockey movie. Gone

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Speaker 3: That's insulting to the Fast and Furious franchise.

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Speaker 2: Fast and Furious. Hey had it.

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Speaker 3: As soon as I saw it, I said, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: Yes time, I'm embarrassed to say I was gone in

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Speaker 2: Than find a break, Take a break.

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Speaker 3: Talk Live, co host, also his podcast Unbuttoned and a

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Speaker 3: contributor to Football Night in America. Where is this dislike discrediting,

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Speaker 15: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, first off, I don't

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Speaker 15: I'm not really ready to say that about Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 15: So that's where I would stick up for him. He

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can look at this and say that

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Speaker 15: We've gotten to a point here where you've seen one

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Speaker 15: it ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. We're going

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Speaker 8: Dan right, because he can't run and scramble anymore.

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Speaker 8: He's never surgical, as I would say.

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Speaker 2: But he was up a resume, Chris. He had.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he built up a ten year career and whether

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Speaker 15: He had a lot of awesome years. There's no doubt

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Speaker 15: sure there's other people that are smart in football that

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Speaker 8: Didn't like it there.

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Speaker 15: He wanted to be more of a guy like Josh

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Speaker 3: Talking to Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host,

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Speaker 3: the show that preceiges hours on Peacock, you can see

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Speaker 3: him on Football Night in America. How long should we

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Speaker 3: wait for Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 15: I think we've waited long enough. There's no longer, there's

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Speaker 15: no longer to wait. It's like, hey, dude, you gotta

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Speaker 15: make some plays. We got to win some football games.

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Speaker 15: We got to win some of these tough post games here. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: Kyler Murray is the guy that's floating in that area

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Speaker 15: of He's got some talent that makes you think he

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Speaker 15: could be a top ten quarterback or elite, but there's

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Speaker 15: other issues in his game that make him look real average.

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Speaker 15: And you saw the game last night, there's lots of

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Speaker 15: moments there where yeah, it is real average, and you

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Speaker 15: expect him to make a few plays on the run

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Speaker 15: that he didn't make last night some of those throws.

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Speaker 8: So, yeah, I'm a.

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Speaker 15: Little disappointed in Kyler Murray. I expected more out of

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Speaker 15: him by this time of his career. And yeah, he's

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Speaker 15: getting to that point where if some results don't happen,

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Speaker 15: you know, they're gonna be looking for changes out there

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Speaker 15: in Arizona in the next year or two. And Marvin

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Speaker 15: Harrison was a sure thing. Well he was yeah to

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Speaker 15: a lot. You know, I knew he was really good.

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Speaker 15: You know, you're talking to one guy here that when

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Speaker 15: I you know, I thought it was a little.

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Speaker 8: Overhyped coming out right.

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Speaker 15: I mean again, really good, And I know he can

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Speaker 15: still be really good.

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Speaker 8: He's on the right path.

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Speaker 15: The problem is is people tried to make him like

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Speaker 15: the greatest superstar ever. And I was like, wait, I mean,

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Speaker 15: there wasn't a ton of separation in college. I don't

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Speaker 15: see slants where he went for eighty yards after Meanwhile,

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Speaker 15: those guys we saw at LSU Molik Neighbors and Brian

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Speaker 15: Thomas Junior, who are the guys I had at the

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Speaker 15: top of Lewis that year. I was going, they're running

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Speaker 15: by everybody, They're leaving everybody in the dust. Right, So

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Speaker 15: I think all of that has kind of played into

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Speaker 15: this Marvin Harrison thing. Let alone, their offense isn't great

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Speaker 15: as well, so that doesn't lend itself to great passing

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Speaker 15: yards and stats either.

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Speaker 3: How often does this happen? What happened to Cam Newton

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Speaker 3: with Tua? Because two is saying, Oh, you know, anybody

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Speaker 3: I guess can play quarterback and you know you can?

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Speaker 3: He like, how dare you criticize him? And I was

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Speaker 3: I was surprised that two has said that since we

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Speaker 3: know that you know, Cam had a pretty storied career,

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Speaker 3: but you didn't have that. But you're a great analyst.

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Speaker 3: How often do you get what do you know about

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Speaker 3: the position? Or how dare you critique me?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: That's always I mean, you know, I haven't got that

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Speaker 15: from players and anything like that.

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Speaker 8: I think, you know, most people in the NFL.

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Speaker 15: No, I'm pretty connected and obsessed with the sport and

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Speaker 15: study it like mad and know what I'm talking about

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Speaker 15: a little bit. Now, I get that from fans and

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Speaker 15: I see that on my social media.

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Speaker 8: Like, oh, your career sucked? How could you talk about

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Speaker 8: this guy?

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Speaker 15: You know? All? So I always hear that type of

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Speaker 15: stuff that comes with the job. That does mean I'm

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Speaker 15: not good at evaluating players and knowing the game and

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Speaker 15: understanding it that way either. And I can talk it

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Speaker 15: really good too. So yeah, there's all that. And you know, again,

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Speaker 15: one of my themes of my year on my podcast

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Speaker 15: at all of that a little bit is, you know,

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Speaker 15: is to challenge some of these teams and what they've

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Speaker 15: done with these quarterback contracts.

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Speaker 8: Hey to us being paid like.

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Speaker 15: He's Lamar, like he's Josh Allen, like he's Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 15: Then sorry, team, I'm gonna blame you. I want to

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Speaker 15: see those results that I'm gonna blame that quarterback too.

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Speaker 8: I am.

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Speaker 15: I don't know where we've gotten to this mold that

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Speaker 15: we're gonna pay the quarterback four times more as much

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Speaker 15: money than the best players on the football team, even

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Speaker 15: when the quarterbacks are middle of the road in the

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Speaker 15: NFL and nobody in football is gonna pay two of

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Speaker 15: fifty five million dollars a year. I mean, they literally

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Speaker 15: negotiated against themselves. So now they want to wonder why

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Speaker 15: they're in this spot. And when you make when you

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Speaker 15: make a statements that I can't do half the things

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Speaker 15: Josh Allen does when you're getting ready to play them,

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Speaker 15: and you're being paid just like them, and and okay,

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Speaker 15: the rubber meets the road there. That doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 15: And I feel like we have a little of that

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Speaker 15: in the NFL right now, where there's four or five

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Speaker 15: guys that deserve to be paid like they are everybody else.

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Speaker 15: I want to go, it's a little crazy, and agents

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Speaker 15: and gms have fooled the rest of the world that

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Speaker 15: the quarterbacks are so much worth more money than everybody

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Speaker 15: else on the football team.

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Speaker 3: Should the Cowboys acknowledge Micah Parsons in a.

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Speaker 2: Celebratory way prior to the game?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm old school.

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Speaker 15: I don't give a damn if they do, right, But

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Speaker 15: at the same time, it would probably be the classy

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Speaker 15: thing to do to make a little acknowledgment for one

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Speaker 15: of the better players there that they've had in recent history,

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Speaker 15: who also, you know, lefts.

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Speaker 8: In a little bit of a weird situation, right, I

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Speaker 8: mean just a little bit, just a little.

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Speaker 15: Bit, and we took under the you know, you know,

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Speaker 15: below the belt shots at them through the whole process

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Speaker 15: and trying to change the rules of the CVA. And

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Speaker 15: we don't want his agent to negotiate because he might

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Speaker 15: know what he's talking about in negotiations and contracts.

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Speaker 8: We'd rather talk about it as to the football player.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, do I think that would be the classy

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Speaker 8: thing to do.

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Speaker 15: I would, But if they don't do it, I'm not

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Speaker 15: going to sit there and drag the Cowboys. He's only

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Speaker 15: been there a short period of time. This is not

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Speaker 15: like it's a Randy White or Ed two tall Jones.

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Speaker 2: Finish this sentence. Daniel Jones is.

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Speaker 8: Is a lot better than people realize.

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Speaker 15: And that's one of my favorite Well why because he's

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Speaker 15: got all the physical tools and the mentality to be

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Speaker 15: good at quarterback. You know the thing I always say,

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Speaker 15: right jokingly, I'm like, get and you'd probably said it

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Speaker 15: to you before. If you're around crap all the time,

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Speaker 15: you start to smell like crap, and crap gets on

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Speaker 15: you and then all of a sudden you don't look

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Speaker 15: so good. Say Quon Barkley was a bust up with

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Speaker 15: the New York Giants. They should have never picked him

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Speaker 15: the number two. And then he goes to a team

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Speaker 15: like the Eagles and we go, is he the best

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Speaker 15: running back I've ever seen in my life? So yeah,

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Speaker 15: the support system wasn't correct for Daniel Jones, let alone,

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Speaker 15: just the climate around him. You know, it's the New

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Speaker 15: York fans being so critical, playing for a coach who

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Speaker 15: didn't really draft him, right, and Brian Dayball and I

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Speaker 15: don't know if he was totally invested there.

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Speaker 8: So now you're.

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Speaker 15: Seeing you put a little offense around him, You give

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Speaker 15: him a few answers, you protect him a little bit.

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Speaker 15: Oh my gosh, Daniel Jones can make a lot happen,

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Speaker 15: just like Sam Darnold, just like Baker Mayfield, just like

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Speaker 15: sa Juan Barkley. It's a team sport. You need some support.

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Speaker 15: You're not not everybody Superman.

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Speaker 3: Which the most must win game of the weekend? Oh

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Speaker 3: all right, so that's a good one.

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Speaker 15: I do look at the Broncos being one and two

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Speaker 15: on Monday night, going they better win that one against

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Speaker 15: the Bengals, right, who are not playing good football, who

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Speaker 15: are miraculously two and one even though they've been out

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Speaker 15: played in every game. I think the most one must

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Speaker 15: win is the Ravens Chiefs game. I don't think there's

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Speaker 15: any doubt about that. I still think the Ravens are

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Speaker 15: a really good football team. I mean, if Derrick Henry

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Speaker 15: doesn't fumble against Buffalo, they probably win. If he doesn't

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Speaker 15: fumble the other night, it's gonna be a nail bier

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Speaker 15: right between the Detroit Lions. So I still look at

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Speaker 15: them as one of the top teams in football. The Chiefs,

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Speaker 15: on the other hand, I do not. I've been one

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Speaker 15: all year that's kind of said, this is not the

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Speaker 15: year they're going to do it in the AFC West,

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Speaker 15: and it's been worse than I expected. The receiver injuries

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Speaker 15: have certainly been a big part of that. But yeah,

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Speaker 15: the Chiefs are a team right now that I look

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Speaker 15: at and I go it's not close. So I'm not like, Ooh,

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Speaker 15: I like this. If they get this straight, watch out

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Speaker 15: they're in trouble.

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Speaker 3: To me a little bit here, we don't teach tackling anymore,

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Speaker 3: it feels like, but we are teaching punching the ball

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Speaker 3: out right right at any point, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: to be a buzzkill. Does the NFL legislate a violent

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Speaker 3: act of trying to punch a ball out?

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Speaker 8: Probably not, I don't think so.

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Speaker 15: I don't think they'll ever be enough there, and I

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Speaker 15: think it just adds too much to the excitement of

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Speaker 15: the football game. I think the NFL wants excitement, they

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Speaker 15: want big plays, they want turnovers, they want points and

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Speaker 15: all that, and that's a big part of it. And

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Speaker 15: to your point, yeah, we don't practice tackling as much

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Speaker 15: anymore because of all the rules and and everything's just

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Speaker 15: different to where you can't hit the same But at

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Speaker 15: the same point, the tackling is also falling off because

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Speaker 15: I can tell you that defensive players are going, hey,

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Speaker 15: when you get in there, the coaches are going hold

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Speaker 15: them up so Johnny can come by and knock the

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Speaker 15: ball out, and that leads to bad pocket tackling too.

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Speaker 15: But no, I don't think that's going anywhere here anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: Paulie insists that I ask you this question about the

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Speaker 3: Vikings in Sam Donald because nobody, nobody loves Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: more than Pauline. Right, will the Vikings regret moving on

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Speaker 3: from Sam Donald?

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Speaker 15: Well, they're definitely in a spot right now where you

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Speaker 15: don't know where it's gonna go, right. I think that's

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Speaker 15: that Like with JJ McCarthy, the fact that he didn't

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Speaker 15: play his rookie year.

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Speaker 8: Here we are year two.

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Speaker 15: It was a little shaky in the game, and the

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Speaker 15: half that he did play right and now we're and

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Speaker 15: now we're gonna wait few weeks for his development. And

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Speaker 15: you go, oh, I don't know where this quarterback situation is.

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Speaker 15: Did it go for the rest of the year. It

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Speaker 15: might be a problem. They might really have to manage it. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: from that standpoint, they're gonna I think they're gonna regret

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Speaker 15: it this year, but I think the long play, they

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Speaker 15: will not regret it when it's all said and done.

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Speaker 15: I still believe in JJ McCarthy and more of that.

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Speaker 15: I just believe it. No, I mean Kevin O'Connell and

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Speaker 15: his ability to groom these quarterbacks and make them, you know,

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Speaker 15: pretty awesome.

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Speaker 8: On the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm all in on that. I just didn't

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Speaker 3: see that. JJ McCarthy, Oh my gosh, man. And yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I hear you, And I trust your judgment as much,

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Speaker 3: if not more so, than anybody. I just don't I

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Speaker 3: didn't see it at Michigan. He wasn't featured at Michigan.

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Speaker 8: No, you're right, that's the fair point.

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Speaker 15: And you know that year coming out, I had them

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Speaker 15: five out of those six great quarterbacks that all went

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Speaker 15: in the first round, right because of some of the

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Speaker 15: things you said, Right, there was a part of you

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Speaker 15: that goes, wait, I like that he has to play

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Speaker 15: NFL football where it's not just spread and easy throws,

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Speaker 15: and he's playing in Michigan where it's play action and

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Speaker 15: throw the ball down the field. But to your point, yeah,

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Speaker 15: I didn't like that we might go a quarter without

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Speaker 15: him even throwing the football.

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Speaker 8: That's a little crazy.

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Speaker 15: And the thing I think you're seeing too that he

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Speaker 15: has to work on is he's only got one club

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Speaker 15: in the bag.

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Speaker 8: He only has the driver, he only has the fastball.

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Speaker 8: We don't see any like flick flick of the wrist

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Speaker 8: throws any side arm and he you know, laying it

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Speaker 8: over the linebackers and touching it to the second level

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Speaker 8: to a tight end.

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Speaker 15: That's where he has to grow. To me, every throw

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Speaker 15: he makes that's good is really just the fastball.

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Speaker 2: Hardball and what he's doing with justin Herbert.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's tangible that you see something

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Speaker 3: that he's a different quarterback. Yes, and I think Jim

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Speaker 3: builds in almost bumpers rails for Herbert that he's going

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Speaker 3: to be successful. But I don't know exactly what Jim

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Speaker 3: is doing, but it looks different.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's an ex quarterback.

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Speaker 15: He makes the quarterbacks feel like he's in the fight

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Speaker 15: with them, right like, I'm out there playing with you,

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Speaker 15: I'm supporting you. I know it's not easy, and I

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Speaker 15: think that's always great for a quarterback because it's not

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Speaker 15: easy and not a lot of people could put themselves

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Speaker 15: in their shoes that way. And he also, I think,

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Speaker 15: is trying to change the culture there. And let's not

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Speaker 15: forget the Chargers. Chargering was a big thing, them screwing

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Speaker 15: up games, doing everything there. He's changed that aspect about

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Speaker 15: the football team, and within that, he's got to change

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Speaker 15: kind of the mindset of the quarterback who's leading the charge.

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Speaker 15: I think there's two things that I look at. One,

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Speaker 15: watch this Sunday. He gets mad at his teammates. Now

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Speaker 15: he yells a little bit. That's what I like to see.

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Speaker 15: The second thing is he's jetting outside the pocket and

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Speaker 15: making plays out there. That was the only era he

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Speaker 15: really lacked behind the great ones mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Burrow.

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Speaker 15: Right when the defense would win against those guys, those

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Speaker 15: guys still made a play and got a twenty yard game.

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Speaker 15: Where you go, man, that was the perfect defense, the

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Speaker 15: perfect pass rush. But they still made it happen, almost

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Speaker 15: imposing their will that way. I don't think Herbert was

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Speaker 15: like that, but you're seeing that this year, and he's

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Speaker 15: playing as good as anybody in the NFL right now

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Speaker 15: at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Good appearance, have a good weekend. Great to talk to

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Speaker 3: you again, Chris, Thank you, thanks a lot man Thanks you. See,

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Speaker 3: now that's Chris Sims Pro Football. He didn't even say anything.

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Speaker 3: You says say he loo to the knuckleheads there, the

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Speaker 3: jerks over there that maybe he's locked in. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 3: bring Chris back and see if he wants to say that. Uh,

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Speaker 3: is Chris still there?

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Speaker 2: Thank's going? Yeah, that was quick.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we don't need to be called We get called

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Speaker 3: jerks a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay to.

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Speaker 3: Skip that one time. I don't know, just my thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Talk Live co host Chris Sims. When we

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Speaker 3: come back, are we doing the most must win game

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Speaker 3: of the weekend next or we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Wait a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Oh we're gonna wait on that.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, mmw gootw okay, We're gonna slide into the weekend,

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Speaker 3: some of the matchups, more of your phone calls as well.

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Speaker 1: After this Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk

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Speaker 1: Search FSR to listen live. I've got lsu at Ole.

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Speaker 3: Miss Lane Kiffin has told everybody to take the over

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Speaker 3: in this game, Oregon against Penn State, a rematch of

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Speaker 3: the Big Ten title game. That's a big one right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oregon, that's a big one.

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Speaker 3: One. Seven Alabama Georgia. Georgia has won thirty three consecutive

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Speaker 3: games at home. That's the longest active streak in college football,

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Speaker 3: NFL Ravens Chiefs, somebody's going to one in three. And

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Speaker 3: then you got the Packers and the Cowboys. Perhaps you've

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Speaker 3: heard of that matchup. Micah Parsons makes his return to Dallas.

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Speaker 3: I got the Packers favored by seven? Is that right, West? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that seems like a lot. Packers by seven. They'll sleep

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Speaker 3: on Indiana at Iowa. I'm hot on that. Oh, I know,

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Speaker 3: love that game. Yeah, seems like Hey, I never thought

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Speaker 3: I'd say this. Indiana and Iowa.

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Speaker 4: I've never looked forward to that matchup more than I

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Speaker 4: have this year. That is a big game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauline, I have a trap game. Notre Dame at Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Arkansas.

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Speaker 7: They beat themselves twice this year. Otherwise they're four and.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think Notre Dame favored by foreigner.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Fore, hook Sliding into the Weekend brought to

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Speaker 3: you by King Sawaiian. Come on in and have a

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Speaker 3: and enjoy. Greg in California, Hey Greg, what's on your

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Speaker 3: mind today?

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Speaker 2: Greg?

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Speaker 3: Brandon in Illinois, Hi Brandon, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 8: DP? What'sought?

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Speaker 15: Man?

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Speaker 8: Its first time long time six foot one one nineties?

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Speaker 8: I had an idea for Todd.

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Speaker 10: Sure, I thought section roll.

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Speaker 3: Speed Ooh okay, all right, we got to decide on

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Speaker 3: a T shirt here by the end of the show,

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Speaker 3: and then it'll be available at Dan Patrick dot com. Todd,

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Speaker 3: how social media been to you?

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Speaker 2: They've kind of laid up me a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's still more negative than positive camping and let

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Speaker 5: us get through move.

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Speaker 2: Over, but it's changed your driving.

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Speaker 10: It actually has.

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Speaker 5: It's in my head. I'm like, I'm more cognizanto that

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Speaker 5: And if you feel like I'm in someone's way that

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Speaker 5: I'm moving over.

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Speaker 2: That's very nice. Timothy in Vegas, Hi, tim what's on

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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 7: The reason seat and I are laughing. Tod is getting

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Speaker 7: to giving his explanation and tailing off, and you just

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Speaker 7: take it and go.

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Speaker 3: And it's like the second or third time today that

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Speaker 3: you've done that.

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Speaker 2: It was a little dismissive.

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Speaker 5: I tend to ramble, so somewhere in the middle of

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Speaker 5: your rudeness and me not knowing when to stop talking.

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Speaker 2: If you go your briefer, then I won't be.

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Speaker 8: I know there's a middle ground there.

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Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, you're just going We've all been there.

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Speaker 8: Alex Jeff from Indiana passionate point.

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Speaker 2: Us Timothy and back now I only do it to you. Hey,

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Speaker 2: tim how are you doing?

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Speaker 9: Five?

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Speaker 10: Six?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 10: I got a comment on the Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 10: I think people are just hating on Risks because right

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Speaker 10: now is easy. He's more of a suburb less inner

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Speaker 10: city and I think that's why people like Sherman or

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Speaker 10: other guys probably don't like him. But remember he came

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Speaker 10: into the league with Luck and RG three and they

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Speaker 10: all made their postseason their rookie year, but it was

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Speaker 10: rest who have a long term success.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and Chris Sims basically said that

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Speaker 3: it's kind of likability and thank you for the phone call,

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Speaker 3: tim uh Keith and Chico Hi, Keith, welcome.

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Speaker 11: Back, Hey Dan, good morning. I also had a couple

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Speaker 11: of comments on the Russell Wilson situation. I just think

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Speaker 11: we need to remember what Russ had to work with

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Speaker 11: in Seattle. From what I remember, Russ wasn't playing with

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Speaker 11: a bunch of elite offensive skill guys during those runs.

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Speaker 11: Sure he had Marshawn but some fun play calling as well,

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Speaker 11: but his wide receivers were all pretty short guys, all

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Speaker 11: had solid hands and rout running, but no Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 2: No, no, he didn't have what else.

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Speaker 11: I also think some of the Seahawks resent Russ for

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Speaker 11: not changing the play on that Super Bowl interception at

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Speaker 11: the one, and I think that's where a lot of

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Speaker 11: the Richard Sherman disrespect stems.

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Speaker 3: But in fairness to him, he didn't call the play.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Keith, and if you believe and what has

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Speaker 3: kind of lingered out there that this was Daryl Bebell

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Speaker 3: and you know Pete wanting Russ to be the MVP.

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Speaker 3: And if he throws the touchdown, then he's the MVP.

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Speaker 3: If Marshawn runs it in, is he the MVP. And

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Speaker 3: if that factored in, it's kind of crazy. I still

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Speaker 3: would have had a run pass option with Russ, But

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Speaker 3: what do I know?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Smart, that might be the most important play as

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Speaker 12: far as legacy shaping and NFL history. Tom Brady loses

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Speaker 12: a third Super Bowl w a crazy Remember the curse

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Speaker 12: catch was another crazy catch before that, and Tom Brady

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Speaker 12: was maybe a yard away from Saint Gosh, I'm about

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Speaker 12: to lose on another crazy catch. Instead, he wins another

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Speaker 12: one in the legion to Boom and Russell Wilson. They

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Speaker 12: have two Super Bowls. We're probably never having this conversation

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Speaker 12: about a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, yeah, PAULI.

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Speaker 7: The play before a minute left, New England's up twenty

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Speaker 7: eight twenty four. They run left tackle Marshawn Lynch. He

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Speaker 7: gets tripped up at the one. He's probably a foot

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Speaker 7: and a half from scoring on that play, and it's

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Speaker 7: never as brought up again. Patriots would have got the

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Speaker 7: ball back with a little more time and two timeouts.

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Speaker 2: But I thought they were gonna let him score.

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Speaker 7: It would have been a smart move if they score

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Speaker 7: on that play. The Patriots get the ball back with

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Speaker 7: fifty five seconds and two timeouts.

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Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna let Marshawn score. And man,

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Speaker 3: I'm staring at marsh On during that play. I'm just

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Speaker 3: watching him because I'm gonna I have my phone out.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna capture this on my phone and

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Speaker 3: then uh, you know, I'll be on the podium handing

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Speaker 3: the super Bowl Trophy to the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, what, oh bleep? And I thought, oh man, they

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Speaker 3: dodged a bullet. That's inter incomplete.

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Speaker 2: H not so fast.

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Speaker 3: What is the most must win game of the weekend

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Speaker 3: and who had the best week in sports? We'll have

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Speaker 3: that for you a final hour in this meet Friday.

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Speaker 2: Right after this