Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 2: And I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is hot pursuit.
Speaker 1: All right, we have we have a pretty special guest.
Speaker 2: I'd say today we have an actual rock star with us. Yes, today,
Speaker 2: Alison Mosshart, the singer, songwriter, artist and lead vocalist for
Speaker 2: the rock band The Kills.
Speaker 1: And I like the Dead Weather, which is another band
Speaker 1: that I don't know if it's a.
Speaker 2: Super correct supergroup. Yeah. I actually really started to know
Speaker 2: that Allison was a car person because in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: she put out this book called Karma, which is a
Speaker 2: play on word super cool.
Speaker 1: And the listeners will notice in the interview for the
Speaker 1: first thirty minutes, I think that you're talking about the
Speaker 1: word that starts with a K, karma. I had no
Speaker 1: idea about the book. Oh y, I had seen some
Speaker 1: pictures that were in it, but I didn't realiz it
Speaker 1: was car carma. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's real clever like that. And I love talking
Speaker 2: to her because she has that thing where she's actually
Speaker 2: so still and quiet that she sort of draws everybody
Speaker 2: into her realm and toward her energy. Didn't you feel that? Yes, Matt,
Speaker 2: she has that where she's super calm, and you kind
Speaker 2: of just like everything slows down and just flows into
Speaker 2: her orbit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I really like you wait for the popes.
Speaker 1: Nobody interrupts, Yeah, for sure interrupt.
Speaker 2: No, I mean no. I was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 2: just a great conversation between two tall blondes. What can
Speaker 2: I say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt pretty lucky to be involved in that.
Speaker 1: You know, it was the tallest interview that we've ever done, all.
Speaker 2: Three of us tall average height. We need to keep tracking,
Speaker 2: to start tracking that.
Speaker 1: She was very cool and it's the first time we've
Speaker 1: had a guest who appreciates my challenger. I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole time we were talking to her, you never
Speaker 1: told us how you feel about the Dutch Challenger.
Speaker 2: It's how she feels about some plastic surgery, which is
Speaker 2: it's fun to look at, but not for me.
Speaker 1: All right, So that'll be you know what, let's just
Speaker 1: get straight into it.
Speaker 2: You might as well.
Speaker 1: This is Alison Mosshart of The Kills.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to see you here, Alison for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Alison Mosshart, of course, you know or she's the American
Speaker 2: singer and front woman of the band The Kills. But
Speaker 2: you know, I have come to know you through our
Speaker 2: mutual friend Savannah, but also through Tim Cadiente. I think
Speaker 2: many years ago. Well it feels like years ago, but
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty he sent me your Karma book and yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't think I had met you at that point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, this woman is awesome. I
Speaker 2: have to meet her. And of course I love you
Speaker 2: instantly because you're tall and because you're cool. But there's
Speaker 2: so much more, And just as we've got to know
Speaker 2: each other, it's been so fun to hang out with
Speaker 2: you and just hear what's on your mind. I mean,
Speaker 2: you truly are a multifaceted artist. I think people might
Speaker 2: know you from music, but there's so much more there,
Speaker 2: as Matt just alluded to. So I'm super excited to
Speaker 2: talk to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm really excited to be here, and I like
Speaker 3: staying busy.
Speaker 2: You just had a birthday.
Speaker 1: Happy.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, Okay, amazing happy. We are all Scorpios in
Speaker 2: this room, so I already go very good about it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm the first day of Sagittaria, so I'll just
Speaker 3: tweek it out. Okay, It's like a new frontier when
Speaker 3: you get there.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, wait, you're in November third, okay, And Hannah,
Speaker 1: you're in November.
Speaker 2: Sixteenth, sixteenth, Happy Hannah, Thanks, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I don't feel like the Challenger gets the
Speaker 1: credit it deserves. To me, it is one of the meanest,
Speaker 1: baddest looking muscle cars or the baddest looking muscle cars
Speaker 1: that made it sense, I agree. And whenever, you know,
Speaker 1: when I first fell in love with the car and
Speaker 1: I started telling people like I think I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: a Challenger, I got a lot of some kind of
Speaker 1: offensive even responses. Really, you know, I don't know. For
Speaker 1: some people, I think the Challenger is a car that
Speaker 1: is divided along lines of I don't know, class or
Speaker 1: race or other things, you know, and they didn't expect
Speaker 1: me to be into it. But I just think the
Speaker 1: shape is so elegant and timeless.
Speaker 3: It's like if you took a sixteen passenger van and
Speaker 3: you switched it down and then you see it really
Speaker 3: really sexy looking. Anyway, I mean, I fell in love
Speaker 3: with Challengers because I saw that movie Vanishing Point a
Speaker 3: long long time ago, and then I couldn't stop watching it.
Speaker 3: And then I watched it like near thirty times and
Speaker 3: then I would just have it on in the background
Speaker 3: on mute. Obsessed with that car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and I an amazing movie. And also it's
Speaker 1: hard to find that movie. You can't stream it anywhere
Speaker 1: the vanishing point.
Speaker 3: You can go to a shop and get the DVD.
Speaker 1: Yes, true. And I saw the car, the original car,
Speaker 1: at that Hoidy Toydy Hampton's car show that I want
Speaker 1: to handah Ridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, we need to actually say. Allison owns a
Speaker 2: couple Challengers, as I recall, can you tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about your cars, the specifics how you found them.
Speaker 2: And I also want to hear about your dad because
Speaker 2: I know he's got a history in cars too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew. I mean, my dad is still a
Speaker 3: used car dealer. He's never going to stop working. He
Speaker 3: loves it so much. So I was kind of dragged
Speaker 3: around to car dealerships my whole childhood and immediately developed
Speaker 3: opinion about what I liked and what I didn't like.
Speaker 3: You know, what I thought was, what didn't you like
Speaker 3: a lot of things? But you know, I always really
Speaker 3: loved muscle cars and I would just I don't know,
Speaker 3: it just did something to meet my body to my brain.
Speaker 3: I would get so excited. I'd want to touch it
Speaker 3: and walk around it and around it and get in it.
Speaker 3: But the Challengers, getting the Challengers happened. I'd been living
Speaker 3: in London for a really really long time, like sixteen years,
Speaker 3: and had never owned a car in America. I didn't
Speaker 3: have anywhere to put one. When that Challenger started driving
Speaker 3: around and I started seeing it in the street, it
Speaker 3: literally was the impetus for me to get a house
Speaker 3: in Nashville that had But mostly I just needed the garage.
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't need to sleep somewhere, but I
Speaker 3: mean I was so excited, and it's the first thing
Speaker 3: I did. I found a house, And the next thing
Speaker 3: I did was go to Dodge and custom design the
Speaker 3: one I wanted and then wait for so long and
Speaker 3: they would send me little bits of the ven number
Speaker 3: and be like the engine's in, the paint is done, ooh,
Speaker 3: the windows go up and down. It was like I
Speaker 3: was adopting a baby from far far away and just
Speaker 3: waiting for it to be born.
Speaker 1: Yes, understand, I totally get it.
Speaker 3: It was so exciting anytime to get those letters, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a big day.
Speaker 2: What was the spec like? Tell us some of the
Speaker 2: this is the white one that you have, No, this
Speaker 2: is the black one. This is the black on Okay,
Speaker 2: so tell us some of the specks that you chose.
Speaker 2: And does this car have a nickname.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's called the Black Shark, which is totally ripped
Speaker 3: from Huntress Thompson's Red Shark. And then I also have
Speaker 3: the White Shark. So I think this is just what's
Speaker 3: going to happen with all my cars forever. But I
Speaker 3: I made sure it had no sun roof because I
Speaker 3: can't stand the sun. So I removed that. I removed
Speaker 3: any kind of striping. I got the best stare you
Speaker 3: could put in it. Every everything that was the best
Speaker 3: thing that you could do to the car. I did
Speaker 3: it to the car, including like changing the shifter and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it has these like beautiful chrome kickplates and stuff.
Speaker 3: When you get inside and it's loud and it's fast,
Speaker 3: and it feels like it weighs a million pounds. It's
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing love it. From the photo I've seen of
Speaker 1: you sitting on the hood of a Black Challenger, it's
Speaker 1: the SRT so, the first one with the big naturally
Speaker 1: aspected V eight. I think it was a six point
Speaker 1: one leader. And yeah, as soon as I saw that,
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 3: It feels different because I have an RT in La,
Speaker 3: the white one, which is amazing, but that black one
Speaker 3: feels different. I mean, it's something. It's like a holy experience.
Speaker 1: It's so cool for me to meet another challenger person.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever have.
Speaker 2: You've got him a little bit dumbstruck, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: how do people when they don't realize it's you in
Speaker 2: the car, Allison, and they pull up next to you
Speaker 2: and you can feel them rolling up. Is there a
Speaker 2: particular way that you are greeted or treated when they
Speaker 2: see it's you.
Speaker 3: No, it's a little bit different now. But when I
Speaker 3: first got that car, and for many years after, because
Speaker 3: I was twenty fourteen, it was sting where anybody on
Speaker 3: the highway would want to race me, and it was
Speaker 3: always dudes. And then they're looking at like blonde hair
Speaker 3: flying out the window and the be like oh, and
Speaker 3: then they really wanted to race me. You know. It's
Speaker 3: amazing that I didn't lose my license those first couple
Speaker 3: of years. But now I think I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: they're a lot more common to see. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of women drive them. I think is not really.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's any kind of limited to any
Speaker 3: sort of group or culture anymore. I think there's a
Speaker 3: sort of appreciation for that car. It's a really really
Speaker 3: great car to drive, and it just looks great.
Speaker 1: It's so big too, it's got you, I mean what
Speaker 1: I love about it. I test drive a different car
Speaker 1: every week, so and really nice ones. I'm driving a Mercedes.
Speaker 1: I was driving a new electric pickup truck. But every
Speaker 1: time I get back in the Challenger, it feels so comfortable,
Speaker 1: like a like an old couch yep that you just
Speaker 1: never tire of. And for especially for tall people, it's
Speaker 1: just a fantastic vehicle to drive because it's not at
Speaker 1: all confining, and the motor just expands that feeling of
Speaker 1: vast you know, the hood goes on forever, and you've
Speaker 1: got that great SRT hood with the two they're really
Speaker 1: like shark gills right at the front. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you know, during the pandemic, you wouldn't think
Speaker 3: of that as a road trip car, right, because I
Speaker 3: guess Marleage isn't amazing anyway. Who cares. I drove it
Speaker 3: back and forth across of the country like three times,
Speaker 3: so wow, three times a wow, And it was the
Speaker 3: most comfortable, unbelievable fun. You just never get sick of
Speaker 3: driving it. You know, five hours, six hours, seven hours,
Speaker 3: eight hours goes by and you're like, cool, true.
Speaker 2: Did you do that drive alone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, so walk us through, like where were you stopping.
Speaker 2: What was your regimen in terms of I'm going to
Speaker 2: drive this far this day, because that's a long I'm
Speaker 2: assuming it was from Nashville to LA and back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a long drive.
Speaker 3: But I did it every different way, like I would
Speaker 3: go super south or I would go super north, or
Speaker 3: it was just because I didn't want to do the
Speaker 3: same drive twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My regimen was to wake up whenever the hell I
Speaker 3: wanted to and drink a bunch of coffee and check
Speaker 3: out and just start going. And usually, you know, I
Speaker 3: have people on the phone, or i'd have my mom
Speaker 3: looking at the map. It was like I had this
Speaker 3: kind of like satellite guide of a mother. She goes, well,
Speaker 3: you should go to the Barbed Wire Museum. It's coming
Speaker 3: up in.
Speaker 2: It's coming up.
Speaker 3: In two hours. Easy to miss by the way small sign.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I kind of just I would
Speaker 3: have a sort of general idea because you're sort of
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere, so I didn't you know,
Speaker 3: you want to find a hotel and you want it
Speaker 3: to be you know, I kind of would have like
Speaker 3: a town that I would stop in in my mind.
Speaker 2: If I wanted to keep destination there.
Speaker 3: But then I'd just find, you know, like a Best
Speaker 3: Western or some whatever, sixty dollars a night place and
Speaker 3: park outside my own window.
Speaker 1: That's the dream. Honestly, that is the dream, right. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people. I know that a lot
Speaker 1: of people think COVID was awful, and of course we
Speaker 1: lost so many great people and a lot of people
Speaker 1: had long term, you know, percussions that were rad But
Speaker 1: for me, I loved the lockdown. I loved the road
Speaker 1: love lockdown. Yeah I really want another one, but without
Speaker 1: obviously any.
Speaker 3: Say that, yeah, oh my god, just take a vacation
Speaker 3: just on your own.
Speaker 1: But that's like Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
Speaker 1: in your challenger, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was weird though, because there was als, you know,
Speaker 3: everything we're talking about. It was there was a huge
Speaker 3: kind of fear hanging over everything. You know, hotels were
Speaker 3: ghost towns. It was like I felt like I had
Speaker 3: to hunt food. No, there was no restaurant's opener. You'd
Speaker 3: have to get and like sit in a parking lot
Speaker 3: or every day had these like special things that had
Speaker 3: to be done to get there. And this is before vaccine,
Speaker 3: so it's just it felt incredibly sketchy, and all the
Speaker 3: cops from mad and there was all these riots going on.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was just a vibe that maybe being
Speaker 3: a woman driving around in a car that looks like
Speaker 3: this all over creation is not the safest thing I
Speaker 3: ever did. But it was truly amazing and it I
Speaker 3: don't know, I filmed everything, I wrote everything. I look
Speaker 3: back at that time and I realized I was totally mad,
Speaker 3: like in my brain, you know, from everything going on.
Speaker 3: But I'm mad, like insane, yeah, insane, like yeah, I
Speaker 3: have videos of me just like clorox wiping entire hotel rooms,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I mean, just just like,
Speaker 3: am I doing it right? What am I?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Just this overlaying thing that wasn't like the Great American
Speaker 3: road trip, but it was a great way to see
Speaker 3: the country, which I've seen a million times because I've toured,
Speaker 3: but I saw it in such a different way.
Speaker 2: Did you use a lot of that inner turmoil and
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, as material for art,
Speaker 2: for music, for writing going forward?
Speaker 3: Definitely? I mean I think there's a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 3: When I was starting to write God Games, you know,
Speaker 3: we were kind of coming out of that, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I believe all of that is in there in places
Speaker 3: there's no way to escape it.
Speaker 1: Wait, what stuff do you do? Like, as I said,
Speaker 1: I just discovered you do photography, and then I read
Speaker 1: that you also paint. You are clearly are filming things.
Speaker 1: So and what is God Games?
Speaker 3: God Games is the most recent Kills album. It came
Speaker 3: out last October, so like a year ago, that's why.
Speaker 2: And you guys have been touring, yeah, all year, like
Speaker 2: endlessly on it.
Speaker 3: You just finished Kills work like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: three or four weeks ago for the year in the
Speaker 3: c Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is sort of a philosophical question, but I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: You know, do you in your work see similar larities
Speaker 2: between cars and rock.
Speaker 3: Rock? I mean, I'm uncomfortable with that word because I don't,
Speaker 3: you know, I think people have like an opinion about
Speaker 3: what rock is, and it seems really like kind of
Speaker 3: rowing and stray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's kind of why I'm asking.
Speaker 3: I always like to think of it more as electric
Speaker 3: guitar music, and I think of guitars as beautiful sculptures.
Speaker 3: And I think of cars as you know, making that
Speaker 3: sound and transporting you to that place.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I feel that way about music, and I feel that
Speaker 3: way about cars, and I feel the way about art
Speaker 3: in general.
Speaker 2: You know, it makes sense and somebody who deals in
Speaker 2: all three of those can see how they really overlap
Speaker 2: and merge and influence each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that they're all incredibly connected. I think
Speaker 3: the only problem is people trying to disconnect them. I
Speaker 3: think they all exist very happily together. You know, no
Speaker 3: one needs to over define anything. It just all is
Speaker 3: part of the same. You know. I think thing in
Speaker 3: your soul or your heart, or a way of expressing yourself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like the way people dress. That's about like how
Speaker 3: you know you wear this thing to say this is
Speaker 3: who I am. It's the same when you see someone
Speaker 3: like I want that car. I love that car. I
Speaker 3: want to drive that car. That car makes me feel
Speaker 3: like this, this car makes me feel like me. And
Speaker 3: then you have people out there who they don't, you know,
Speaker 3: they it's okay, they don't have that kind of creative
Speaker 3: brain where that is like all consuming to them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just is fine. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm always surprised that a lot of people don't put
Speaker 2: a lot of thought into how they dress or what
Speaker 2: car they drive. The Yeah, nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: price or the cost. But it's all to do with
Speaker 2: the intention and with the message that inevitably you will
Speaker 2: send to other people because humans are visual, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course we make a million judgments and evaluations about
Speaker 2: other people based on what they're wearing or what I mean,
Speaker 2: what they're wearing in New York and what they're driving
Speaker 2: in LA. But it's it's really true, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: have anything to do with the cost.
Speaker 3: Usually, No, I just think, you know, it just has
Speaker 3: to do with what's truly important to the person or
Speaker 3: what's completely consuming them at the time, and it could
Speaker 3: be anything under the sun. But that those thoughts don't occur.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm good with all of it.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy on the way to work today
Speaker 1: driving a Nissan Cube.
Speaker 3: See I have a problem with those cars.
Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking, like I was looking at it,
Speaker 1: and especially from the rear view, it is undeniably interesting.
Speaker 3: I always it looks like a shoe.
Speaker 1: I always think I couldn't it's horrible, But some people
Speaker 1: might be into it for some reasons.
Speaker 3: Though. You see bands with those, because look at you
Speaker 3: could just really pack it in. It's a timey sprinter.
Speaker 2: It's not your band.
Speaker 3: You cannot pack it in that.
Speaker 1: But then I also thought, maybe it's a person who
Speaker 1: doesn't care, literally doesn't care at all about.
Speaker 3: Could be a person that's just obsessed with cubes, just
Speaker 3: that's just shape.
Speaker 1: It's also possible. I wonder about the dude. You know
Speaker 1: you spent way too much time in London, like why
Speaker 1: did you put a nus on that?
Speaker 3: Don't do that?
Speaker 2: I hate really talking about being a woman doing things
Speaker 2: in general. And you have managed to live life, at
Speaker 2: least from the outside, on your terms and just do
Speaker 2: whatever you want. I know you don't do whatever you want,
Speaker 2: but you are living I think the life that you
Speaker 2: want in cars and music. And I'm curious to hear
Speaker 2: you talk about what what your north star is in
Speaker 2: terms of how you conduct yourself in these realms. Do
Speaker 2: you have one? Do you even think about it? Just
Speaker 2: as for yourself, not as a woman, just for who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 3: I think I have a strong understanding of what's right
Speaker 3: and what's wrong and that and what's fair and what
Speaker 3: isn't and what's sort of like preconceived that shouldn't be
Speaker 3: trying to just go right through that, you know, out
Speaker 3: the other side. But it is, it is really hard.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of women doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: And when you say that, they're like, yeah, there is,
Speaker 3: there's tons, And it's like look at any music festival,
Speaker 3: look at anything. I mean, I might see like three
Speaker 3: girls to every forty guys. And it's always been like
Speaker 3: that since I started, especially in electric guitar music, which
Speaker 3: I like to call it. But no, it's always there,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, But what else am I gonna do?
Speaker 3: I just want to do those things, So I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna do those things.
Speaker 2: Have you evolved as you've spent more time in this
Speaker 2: business and in this life and how you manage that
Speaker 2: and how you advocate for what you think is right
Speaker 2: and fair or has it always come very naturally to you?
Speaker 3: Well? I think you know it's it's always Jamie and
Speaker 3: I are always trying to hire women to work with us,
Speaker 3: to tour with us, women to open shows for us.
Speaker 3: It's as much as we can surround and make things
Speaker 3: more even and feel it feels better. It just feels better,
Speaker 3: you know. I don't need any situation where it's all women,
Speaker 3: or any situation where there's you know, it's just kind
Speaker 3: of like, let's just get the balance right and everybody.
Speaker 3: When you have balance like that, everybody's kind of the
Speaker 3: best version of themselves. They're supported, and you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's I think it's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it hard thought? Is it harder because
Speaker 1: I wonder if are there not as many women at
Speaker 1: electric guitar music festivals because we don't choose to put
Speaker 1: them at those festivals? Or is it because not a
Speaker 1: lot of women participate in electric guitar music.
Speaker 3: I think that they are. There are fewer, but it's
Speaker 3: really hard. I mean, is that the perception or is
Speaker 3: it there are fewer that get record deals, there are
Speaker 3: fewer that get tour support, you know, is what is it?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't interview everyone under the sun
Speaker 3: about why they stopped playing guitar or why they just
Speaker 3: gave up the whole thing together.
Speaker 1: Right, it probably stops early if it does. I'm just thinking, like,
Speaker 1: of all the great I love female acts, from Susie
Speaker 1: to you know, Bikini Kill, Jet Jon Jets, Yes, you
Speaker 1: know Elastica, Like every time a female comes on the scene,
Speaker 1: especially like in punk rock every I used to work
Speaker 1: at Generation Records Downtown for a long time and everybody
Speaker 1: is like, Oh, check out this new Alastica. You know,
Speaker 1: this band has a chick singing and they're amazing, and
Speaker 1: like it's always instantly we want to play that more
Speaker 1: than we want to play.
Speaker 3: Sure, but I think you're also so excited because it's
Speaker 3: so rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, for sure, definitely know And I hate that.
Speaker 3: But I love those vans you just mentioned. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean this is a good list, but yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: I for me, I hate getting pitched a story about
Speaker 2: a woman simply doing her job. But somehow, because there
Speaker 2: are fewer women in that field, it's this some pr
Speaker 2: firm thinks she should be written about. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: this should be normalized and I'm not gonna write about
Speaker 2: a woman simply doing her job.
Speaker 3: And I just think it's it's gonna be a while.
Speaker 2: Even still you feel like, oh.
Speaker 3: Definitely, look who we just selected. We're going backwards. We're
Speaker 3: going backwards at a million miles an hour. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: mean it's important to fight for those things to be
Speaker 3: normalized and to be okay. But men, we're up against it.
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's interesting. I could really go down
Speaker 2: this path with you. And I know that this is
Speaker 2: a car car related podcast, Rome, but.
Speaker 1: You know it's amazing men's club last night. No, it
Speaker 1: was so traditional and there are pictures of horses on
Speaker 1: the wall.
Speaker 2: Was yeah, I will say, Matt Has it seems that
Speaker 2: you've always been surrounded by strong, accomplished women.
Speaker 1: So you're, well, that's my m that's how I succeed
Speaker 1: in life, honestly, because I recognize that that the same
Speaker 1: kind of thing that Joan Jet had. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of women, and you know I'm here in TV broadcast,
Speaker 1: they have too. H If you see a successful, strong
Speaker 1: woman who's doing great things, she's bound to achieve because
Speaker 1: she's already come through to this point. Yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, but no, let's get back to cars.
Speaker 3: Okay, I just have it I just want to ask you, Hanna,
Speaker 3: did you ever get to drive or is it even drivable?
Speaker 3: Or has it been an option to drive that electric
Speaker 3: charger yet?
Speaker 2: You know what I.
Speaker 3: Want to hear.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you asked that because I'm going
Speaker 2: to drive that on December seventh. Sweet, Yes, and I've
Speaker 2: you I will be texting you about that. I I
Speaker 2: literally told my editor I have to do this. Alison
Speaker 2: moss Art has been asking me about it.
Speaker 3: Have you done?
Speaker 2: It's happening December seventh. I'm so excited to be able
Speaker 2: to report back to you.
Speaker 3: I'm putting that in my own diary and I'm not
Speaker 3: even going to be there, but I'm just excited. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, So this means that you are you not necessarily
Speaker 2: opposed to an electric car.
Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to anything. If it's awesome, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's great to the day.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like most electric car. I don't like that
Speaker 3: they make no sound. It's just so creepy to me.
Speaker 3: I don't like it at all. Well, a lot of
Speaker 3: the way it feels inside it kind of is jerky
Speaker 3: and strange. It's like somebody could make something that felt
Speaker 3: good and sounded good, and.
Speaker 1: That's the hope for this. I think everyone who about
Speaker 1: cars has looked at it, and I saw just on
Speaker 1: Instagram that allowing employees to drive it around, and you
Speaker 1: know that it's coming. A woman or a guy working
Speaker 1: at a Dodge factory building muscle cars is going to
Speaker 1: be probably anti EV, especially I mean obviously the automakers,
Speaker 1: you know, they're really the employees are not happy about
Speaker 1: the EV transition, but they all look so shocked and
Speaker 1: excited when they got out. I'm sure. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: lays down a lot of rubber.
Speaker 2: You know, it's for sure it's going to be I mean,
Speaker 2: we you already mentioned it. It feels like such a
Speaker 2: heavy car, you know, I'm really curious this. Obviously, the
Speaker 2: electric version is going to be heavier than the combustion engine,
Speaker 2: but I wonder, but they have to make it faster,
Speaker 2: so you know, there's a trade off. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: By the way, you know what the the eternal search
Speaker 1: of lightness. I don't think everyone is down with that.
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of car enthusiasts want lighter,
Speaker 1: but some people like the feel of a heavy vehicle.
Speaker 1: I always think of Harley's versus others. You know, people
Speaker 1: complain about this seven eight, nine hundred pound Harley's, but
Speaker 1: they're heavy for a reason. They really increase stability on
Speaker 1: the road, and I feel that when I'm driving like
Speaker 1: big electric trucks too. I don't mind nine thousand pounds
Speaker 1: if it's being propelled with the two hundred and ten
Speaker 1: kilo hour battery.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only point of having a super light car,
Speaker 3: write is to race it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, come on, guys, we're not just racing around.
Speaker 2: Come on now, we need to talk about Yeah, this
Speaker 2: sound thing seems like a really important thing. You've mentioned
Speaker 2: it several times, Allison, and obviously given your line of work,
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. So are you. Are you opposed to
Speaker 2: sound that's like synthetic in an electric vehicle?
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna have to be, isn't it. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: to be really really good.
Speaker 2: So it could be good just because it's fabricated and
Speaker 2: isn't coming from you know, weird one.
Speaker 3: To work out, because again it's like total feel, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I also think if you don't, if you're not
Speaker 1: opposed to a drum machine, then you can't be opposed
Speaker 1: to a sound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it would take somebody to really record,
Speaker 3: you know, a challenger or anything like that, at every
Speaker 3: kind of speed, at every kind of turn, at every
Speaker 3: kind of stop. And God, wouldn't it suck if you're
Speaker 3: a little radio that played this sounds suddenly was on
Speaker 3: the fritz. Yes, and all the sounds are in the
Speaker 3: wrong place.
Speaker 1: And it was like, I don't know enough about what
Speaker 1: makes the electric charger noisy, but I don't think it
Speaker 1: comes through the radio. I think they've done something. They've
Speaker 1: put some other gadget on the electric motor somehow to
Speaker 1: make a noise like a kazoo. You know, fantastic, except
Speaker 1: for I hope it sounds better than a kazoool.
Speaker 2: You never know. I mean it actually could be.
Speaker 3: I mean you can change out your kazoos. Have a
Speaker 3: set of kazoos, different ones for different moods.
Speaker 1: I love like these Mercedes evs that have differentferent sounds
Speaker 1: you can choose from. I think it's great. I've loved
Speaker 1: it ever since I first started driving them. And of
Speaker 1: course I was I would say, like, I'm against fake
Speaker 1: sounds in cars.
Speaker 3: What's it like?
Speaker 1: But if it's a good sound, I'm not against it.
Speaker 1: If it makes it enjoyable for me to put the
Speaker 1: pedal down.
Speaker 2: Then. Yeah, you know, I think I think all synthetic
Speaker 2: sounds are bad. To be honest, she's a purist. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like them. I mean i'd rather I'd rather
Speaker 2: just have nothing than something fakes. Yeah, in silence, I mean,
Speaker 2: do you listen to music when you drive?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What do you listen to? All different kinds.
Speaker 3: You listen to? Yeah, all different things. I also listened
Speaker 3: to a lot of NPR, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love Terry Gross.
Speaker 3: Yep, me too.
Speaker 2: Alison, tell us where you like to drive when you're
Speaker 2: in LA. Do you have special drive routes or No?
Speaker 2: I don't really, you know, just whear from going.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's not like you're going to go drive up
Speaker 2: the coast on pach or up Angelie's Press. No.
Speaker 3: But I've done those things and I love those things.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 3: And I love going for long drives. I love it
Speaker 3: when there's something I have to do that's like three
Speaker 3: hours away.
Speaker 2: I gets so excited about that. Is the driving grade
Speaker 2: in Nashville.
Speaker 3: I don't know it at all. Well, we have a
Speaker 3: huge traffic problem now, but most times of day. It's
Speaker 3: empty and like a racetrack. It's really nice.
Speaker 1: So you live in you have a place in Nashville, right,
Speaker 1: You have a place in London or did?
Speaker 3: Yes? And Jamie and I back in the day. This
Speaker 3: is where we started the band and lived and we
Speaker 3: still have this flat there that we use when we're
Speaker 3: over on that.
Speaker 1: You're from Florida, right, correct?
Speaker 3: And lay I'm in LA some of the time.
Speaker 1: Okay the time. So is there one place where you're
Speaker 1: like where you think of it as the driving place,
Speaker 1: the place where you go. I guess you keep your
Speaker 1: black Shark in Nashville.
Speaker 3: I mean you just have to drive in LA and Nashville.
Speaker 3: There's no other way to do anything. So I think
Speaker 3: of those places like that and London.
Speaker 1: I'm I lived in London for years, but I don't
Speaker 1: like that they have the steering wheel on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of it. Nobody it's unchangeable. It's impossible to change right.
Speaker 1: They'll never be able to change to the correct side
Speaker 1: of the road. In Australia, in Japan, in England.
Speaker 2: Do you ever drive in London?
Speaker 3: I have tried one time and a girlfriend and she
Speaker 3: had this little stick shift like a little bug or something,
Speaker 3: and I lasted less than five minutes. I couldn't understand
Speaker 3: shifting with the wrong hand, and then I couldn't I
Speaker 3: had no perspective of I just thought I was going
Speaker 3: to hit everything and everybody. And I don't think I
Speaker 3: got up past about ten miles an hour.
Speaker 2: You know. That was terrifying. Yeah, that's just so much anxiety. Yeah,
Speaker 2: created it.
Speaker 3: But I really like to learn in the country, I
Speaker 3: won't feel so I just pedestrians and bikes everywhere, buses everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's like, this is not how I should learn to
Speaker 3: do this. No, no, I'll get there. I have to
Speaker 3: learn how. It's ridiculous not to know.
Speaker 2: But well, although I don't think the personally, and you
Speaker 2: know what, I have no problem you know, being driven.
Speaker 2: Just because you can drive doesn't mean you have to
Speaker 2: be driven or you have to drive all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm confident enough in my own skills that I
Speaker 2: love being driven around. Personally, it's nice, it's really nice.
Speaker 2: You get to see the sites more. Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I spent all my time in London on a VESPA
Speaker 1: of it's a great VESPA city, you know, And I
Speaker 1: would I lived in Chelsea and I worked in the city,
Speaker 1: so you would just drive down the embankment all time,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it was perfect. It was like the
Speaker 1: same on a Vespa as in the tube. So it
Speaker 1: was like do I want dead skin cells this morning
Speaker 1: or fresh air? You know, and you decide depending on
Speaker 1: what you're in the mood, for sure, And yeah.
Speaker 3: It's always hard to know how you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell us. We talk about forever cars a lot,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm assuming I know they answered this, but
Speaker 2: do you have a forever car, the car that the
Speaker 2: one car that you won't give up.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be the Black Shark. I
Speaker 3: just never want to give it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've had it twenty Yeah, I'm such a
Speaker 2: big fan of owning cars for a long time.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, and it's doing great. Yeah, I treat
Speaker 3: it very very well.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So you've taken photos of yourself on the Challenger and
Speaker 1: do you do you do you put those pictures an exhibit?
Speaker 1: Do you take pictures of other cars? Like do you
Speaker 1: paint cars or do you make songs about cars or
Speaker 1: cars involved in and everything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're in everything. I mean, Karma is a good
Speaker 3: example of that. It was just like you could just
Speaker 3: go on and on and on and on writing Karma writing.
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting it because I saw the cover, so
Speaker 1: it's c A R.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, I was thinking when you said and.
Speaker 2: I apologize, I really apologize.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't prepare for these things.
Speaker 2: He wasn't well we know that he was not going
Speaker 2: to come in today at all, So I really on
Speaker 2: behalf of Bloomberg. Sorry that anything you wanted to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was listening to the Dead Weather all day.
Speaker 1: You know that's cool, which is cool.
Speaker 2: This is great, This is really great.
Speaker 3: I love painting cars and I love, you know, writing
Speaker 3: about them and photographing them. And those pictures you saw
Speaker 3: me sitting on my car, I didn't take those. A
Speaker 3: friend took those. And it was right around when I
Speaker 3: got it, and I was like, I need portraits of
Speaker 3: myself with my car. It was like taking a portrait
Speaker 3: with my mother. You know what I mean. You just
Speaker 3: needed for the album. This is posterity. It's so important.
Speaker 3: But man, that's a good looking car. I mean, every
Speaker 3: angle you shooted that it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2: I just really like it because you know, I know
Speaker 2: I've read before that Genesis for karma really came. I
Speaker 2: think you had gone to you were talking with like
Speaker 2: Richard Prince about cars. Yeah, and this was in like
Speaker 2: twenty twenty year or maybe even earlier.
Speaker 3: Nineteen, Okay, I think it was nineteen or yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I remember reading something about you saying,
Speaker 2: you know, it could have been five hundred pages, just
Speaker 2: because there's I just love the fact that you just
Speaker 2: pull Everything is material, and that's how I really feel
Speaker 2: about the best writers. You know, everything just as you
Speaker 2: move through life is material, and all it takes is
Speaker 2: actually putting it down whatever medium.
Speaker 3: Seeing it, collecting and realizing what it is. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was so fun. I was in New York. I
Speaker 3: met Richard Prince, who's one of my all time favorite
Speaker 3: living artists, and he's showing me these like his car
Speaker 3: doors and his hoods and all these things, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: this is the coolest day of my life. And that
Speaker 3: trip in New York, it was just like that. I
Speaker 3: saw so much art, I saw plays, I saw these things.
Speaker 3: My head was just getting like crammed full of total
Speaker 3: joy and inspiration. And I was on the plane going
Speaker 3: back to Nashville, I thought, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 3: to do when I get home, I'm going to write
Speaker 3: a book. I think I'm going to write a book.
Speaker 3: It's going to be an art book. And I started
Speaker 3: that night and one month later I finished it. Wow,
Speaker 3: and that I could have kept on going. The problem
Speaker 3: was I couldn't afford to make print any more pages,
Speaker 3: so I had to stop because if I wanted to
Speaker 3: actually make.
Speaker 2: It, you were paying for your own printing.
Speaker 3: I did the first five hundred Wow, I had printed.
Speaker 2: And would you recommend that? I mean, that is really
Speaker 2: taking a step out into the unknown.
Speaker 3: But you know, it was like an art piece and
Speaker 3: it's great, and I got rid of them, and off
Speaker 3: the back of doing that and being able to send
Speaker 3: it around and stuff, you know, then got it published.
Speaker 3: This is not a money making thing, and I think I
Speaker 3: made a dollar from this, but it was the most
Speaker 3: enjoyable project ever and I didn't lose anything, you know.
Speaker 3: In fact, it just makes me want to do it
Speaker 3: again immediately.
Speaker 1: Where did you? Where did you do? All the shots?
Speaker 3: All the shots from the mean inside the book, they're
Speaker 3: from my entire life. I mean, I went through all
Speaker 3: my archives and all my drawers and all my books
Speaker 3: and just started realizing this incredible thread that I had
Speaker 3: been collecting car stuff and art stuff and those things
Speaker 3: that combined that felt like they were one of the same.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. To give examples, Why did I know about
Speaker 1: this before?
Speaker 2: It's like a kaleidoscope of life and music and cars
Speaker 2: and art and graffiti and New York and LA like
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: But it's from tours and yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: All sorts of things. I mean, there's shots from my
Speaker 3: very first punk band I was in our tour van,
Speaker 3: like tornadoes and parking, lots of truck stops and things.
Speaker 3: You know, there's just all this I just going through.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, man, it could have been
Speaker 3: so vague, which just means I need to do it again,
Speaker 3: you know, some other next level of it. But it
Speaker 3: was fine. It was like I learned, you know, you
Speaker 3: learn something about yourself and you're doing something like that,
Speaker 3: You're like, I've always loved this since the beginning, since
Speaker 3: I was a little kid, and it's all there.
Speaker 2: Did you start out thinking that you would be an
Speaker 2: art an artist rather than a musician.
Speaker 3: I never thought about what I was going to be,
Speaker 3: but I was always making art. And I always loved music,
Speaker 3: and I was going to I was doing so much
Speaker 3: art in school. My mom was an art teacher, so
Speaker 3: that's just what I was doing as a kid. And
Speaker 3: then I, you know, I kind of got into skateboarding
Speaker 3: with some neighborhood friends, and skateboarding comes with music, and
Speaker 3: then I became obsessed with music. And the skateboarding for
Speaker 3: me was like the art on the bottom of the board,
Speaker 3: the clothes that's like, you know, all of that stuff,
Speaker 3: the fanzines and everything. This is just like dreamy to me.
Speaker 3: And so and then all of us I were skating together,
Speaker 3: started a band together, and yeah, off, I went, I'm
Speaker 3: thirty four, So I don't know how old I am now,
Speaker 3: but like over thirty years of in advanced that's wild.
Speaker 2: I need to ask about the skateboarding. Can you skateboard
Speaker 2: as a tall person?
Speaker 3: Well, it used to be a bit shorter.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say.
Speaker 1: I was smaller at one point in my life.
Speaker 3: Still I was younger.
Speaker 2: Even still though, were you tall for your age? Because
Speaker 2: I do not skateboard, and I'm like, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: someone who's basically six feet tall does not to be
Speaker 2: on a need to be on a skateboard. No, it's
Speaker 2: this isn't okay, the gravity thing is, it's right, I
Speaker 2: need to validate my theory here.
Speaker 3: No, it's very true. I was tall for my age.
Speaker 3: I wasn't the best skateboarder but at all by any means.
Speaker 3: But I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It was fun, you know, I think, you know, Initially
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, like, we also value shorter people, right,
Speaker 1: because we're a room full of very tall people. But
Speaker 1: of course, and also if you're a tall person, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's much more difficult. You don't
Speaker 1: fit in a lot of sports cars, you don't on motorcycles.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of problems with my legs, airplane seats,
Speaker 1: you know. And then we can add skateboarding to the
Speaker 1: list you know gave you know.
Speaker 2: Well, I've said this before, and I don't remember if
Speaker 2: I said it on this podcast, but I actually feel
Speaker 2: very close to anybody who's on the edge of the
Speaker 2: spectrum in terms of their body, whether they're very tall
Speaker 2: or very short, or very thin or very curvy. I
Speaker 2: actually feel that the people who are on the sides
Speaker 2: and not in the normals quote unquote normal or average center.
Speaker 2: I feel that I can relate to. You know, I've
Speaker 2: got several male friends who are under the average height,
Speaker 2: you know, and I actually feel some solidarity with them,
Speaker 2: because people feel entitled to comment on your body, you know,
Speaker 2: in a way that is really unfair and awkward and weird.
Speaker 2: And so just to say, I feel close solidarity with
Speaker 2: people whose bodies in general are not the norm.
Speaker 3: We couldn't Formula one drivers, which is a shame.
Speaker 2: This is a shame. I don't think people realize how
Speaker 2: short those guys are.
Speaker 3: And I'm just so little.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just came from I'm telling you, even Christian Horner,
Speaker 2: I was, I mean, these people are are.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Do people ask women all the time, tall women if
Speaker 1: you play basketball? Because that's the thing for dudes, like everybody. Uh,
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, younger and would meet me,
Speaker 1: they would say, hey, did did you play basketball?
Speaker 3: It's just a conversation standard.
Speaker 1: I would be like, were you a jockey? You know?
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 3: What was that F one driver who had to cut
Speaker 3: the ends off his shoes to fit his legs? Oh,
Speaker 3: in the car. Can't remember his name right now, I
Speaker 3: don't remember.
Speaker 2: I know of one who got the nerves and his
Speaker 2: feet removed because they were so painful from scrunching them
Speaker 2: into the car that he had them surgical.
Speaker 1: Apparently, James Hunt cut the toes off his raising shoes
Speaker 1: to make room for his large feet and prevent rubbing
Speaker 1: into the cockpit.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is the big we have
Speaker 2: to go through, you know, but this is this is
Speaker 2: another thing we can talk about Los Angeles, especially with
Speaker 2: you know, being a woman. There are certain body types
Speaker 2: that many women here conform to. And you know, I
Speaker 2: know that you don't, Alison, and I don't either, but
Speaker 2: and it's interesting to look at it, you know, from
Speaker 2: a cultural study.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is the.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, a ton of plastic surgery and just
Speaker 2: like you know, very polished, very homogeneous, very you know,
Speaker 2: center center, no no personality or real style. It looks
Speaker 2: like doctor shop that well, I can't recognize anybody anymore
Speaker 2: because I all have the same but you know, just
Speaker 2: where Lululemon and you know, very polished and just everything together,
Speaker 2: but also very boring and same, you know. And it's
Speaker 2: interesting living here, having been in New York and then
Speaker 2: living here, it definitely confronts you. And I think I
Speaker 2: always love meeting people, especially women who are not buying
Speaker 2: into that. Yeah, I don't know. Do you feel that
Speaker 2: when you're in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sometimes you see pretty crazy stuff. But
Speaker 3: I don't mind crazy stuff. I just know that that's
Speaker 3: not for me. Yes, exactly, It's almost like a moving
Speaker 3: art piece. If you start to think about it that way,
Speaker 3: it gets a little interesting. That is some dedication to
Speaker 3: really alter reality, right, Yes, so you know I can
Speaker 3: appreciate it on that level. Do I think it's beautiful?
Speaker 3: Is it to me like gorgeous? No, it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's okay because it is somebody else, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, I always say I actually really like watching
Speaker 2: the Beverly Hills Housewives show because I find it fascinating.
Speaker 3: And social study.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's like watching like these beautiful exotic fish, and
Speaker 2: you know, I am not one of those fish, but
Speaker 2: it's interesting to watch. It is really fascinating, and I
Speaker 2: think it is nice to be in a place where
Speaker 2: you can recognize it and also know this isn't for me,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, yeah it's But I certainly do
Speaker 2: feel it a lot stronger in LA than, for instance,
Speaker 2: London or you know, pretty much any city, any other
Speaker 2: city even.
Speaker 3: I think the worst thing is just this kind of
Speaker 3: like dominance of that kind of look or certain kind
Speaker 3: of beauty things on Instagram that young kids are seeing.
Speaker 3: I think that that more scares me because half of
Speaker 3: it's fake, you know, it totally thick, you know, scares
Speaker 3: me that, you know, young girls and young boys are
Speaker 3: thinking that this is what I'm supposed to look like.
Speaker 3: That's a big problem housewise of Beverly Hills. I don't
Speaker 3: care at all.
Speaker 2: The monoculture in general. I think I wish, you know,
Speaker 2: and I know music has gone through this too, where
Speaker 2: it's you know, one thing. It'd be nice to have
Speaker 2: lots of options. And I'm curious, you know, at this
Speaker 2: point in music, do you feel that there's it's so
Speaker 2: fragmented now that there's not any monoculture in music.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty impossible to discover new things. I
Speaker 3: think we've been sold this idea that everything on earth
Speaker 3: is on streaming, but we no longer have the conversations
Speaker 3: between ourselves and that kind of social thing of like
Speaker 3: going to record stores, really experiencing a whole record, really
Speaker 3: learning about a band, really caring about a band, and
Speaker 3: discovering because there's these playlists, there's these algorithms, these things.
Speaker 3: We're being fed the stuff constantly, pretty much making it
Speaker 3: impossible for new bands to ever keep going. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's yeah, we're we're just kind of interested in like
Speaker 3: thirty groups. Yeah, after that, you know, no one knows
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. It's very unusual. It's not good.
Speaker 3: It's the opposite thing of like discovery and having access
Speaker 3: to lots of different choices. It is the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: Do you find a lot of new stuff that you
Speaker 1: can really sink your teeth into? Because I think we're
Speaker 1: all a similar age, right, and we all love music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, older than both of us matter.
Speaker 1: I know I'm older. I know I'm older, but we're close.
Speaker 3: I think it's really hard to find them. I just
Speaker 3: because you no longer have music journalists, we no longer
Speaker 3: have music magazines, we no longer have record stores, we
Speaker 3: no longer have small venues where people play. It's a
Speaker 3: lot harder to find them. So if they're out there,
Speaker 3: you need somebody to tell you something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there isn't that, that's true, But I just wonder
Speaker 1: how much of it has to for me, Like even
Speaker 1: I'll go through a I'll go through a period of
Speaker 1: finding a bunch of new bands all at once, you know,
Speaker 1: and then I'll start to listen to them, and then
Speaker 1: I realize I still want to listen to the old
Speaker 1: stuff I grew up with, and I always go back
Speaker 1: to the same kind of ten bands that I've listened
Speaker 1: to since I was twenty five, you know. I Yeah,
Speaker 1: The Dead obviously has a big enough catalog that it's easy.
Speaker 1: But some of my favorite bands only have like three records,
Speaker 1: so I can't listen to I mean, I can listen
Speaker 1: to Helmets Meantime over and over and over and over.
Speaker 3: That is that's a skateboarding record.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, deep Cut?
Speaker 1: I mean it's New York hardcore kind of. Or I
Speaker 1: can listen to the Bad Religion, you know, forever. But
Speaker 1: I if I find a new band, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a new band, and I kind of like the sound
Speaker 1: and I got into it for a second, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, I had my old bands, and I
Speaker 1: stopped really exploring so much.
Speaker 3: Also, not at that kind of teenage age where these
Speaker 3: things really take you over, you know, you are formed, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: those bands did that to you at that time. Now,
Speaker 3: it's like you can appreciate music, but you're never I
Speaker 3: don't know, are we ever going to go off on
Speaker 3: that crazy spree where you just want to follow that
Speaker 3: band on tour every single day of your life. I
Speaker 3: think that changes, you know. Yeah, It's like you can
Speaker 3: love things and you can appreciate them and you can
Speaker 3: go to their show. But we have a different response
Speaker 3: the older we get, which is a shame.
Speaker 2: Are you able to still access that in yourself?
Speaker 3: Yes? For certain things I can, you know, I saw
Speaker 3: I saw Oh my god, I wanted they called Fontaine's
Speaker 3: DC the other day when we were playing a festival
Speaker 3: somewhere in Europe, and I became completely obsessed. I could
Speaker 3: not stop listening to the record. And it's like six
Speaker 3: months straight. I do that. I get really hooked into stuff.
Speaker 1: Six months is a solid amount of time though, so solid, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'll do that for like two weeks, but six
Speaker 1: months that's dedication, I.
Speaker 3: Want to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always have that with any new Queens of
Speaker 3: the Stone Age record, where I'm just like, Okay, that's
Speaker 3: all I'm listening to for the next six months. You know,
Speaker 3: just certain things that I get really excited about. But
Speaker 3: Fontaine's DC. I'd never really listened to them before and
Speaker 3: they're amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 2: Okay, we got to check it out. Note that I
Speaker 2: want to know what you do when you're in New York, Like,
Speaker 2: do you have any places you want to shout out?
Speaker 2: And what are you working on for the future? Is
Speaker 2: there anything you want to tell us about or can
Speaker 2: tell us about.
Speaker 3: I'm doing these days.
Speaker 2: Besides the tour. You're still touring.
Speaker 3: Right well, I'm going to London to go do a
Speaker 3: Mark Lennigan tribute concert at the Roundhouse in a couple
Speaker 3: of days, and then you know, it's Christmas time. I
Speaker 3: don't know what I'm gonna, don't know what the next
Speaker 3: project is. I feel like again like I'm I feel
Speaker 3: like writing. I've been feeling that this whole time. I
Speaker 3: don't know why New York does that to me, but
Speaker 3: it's doing it. And while I'm here, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just like to go see tons of art. I
Speaker 3: have a couple of pilate studios that I'm obsessed with
Speaker 3: and go to every day, which is where I'm going now,
Speaker 3: and you know, just seeing my friends and walking I
Speaker 3: just like walking a million miles.
Speaker 2: Not ever boring here to me the best part of
Speaker 2: New York. Yeah, I mean truly and just soaking it
Speaker 2: all in.
Speaker 3: Yeah like that.
Speaker 2: I think anyone listening, if you don't follow Alison on Instagram,
Speaker 2: you know, your writing comes out even in your Instagram captions.
Speaker 2: It's really clear and obvious that you put thought into those,
Speaker 2: and even that short medium, you know, really hints at
Speaker 2: the fact that you're a deep thinking person who's really
Speaker 2: processing the world around you. So anyone listening, if you
Speaker 2: don't follow Alison and MOS's heart, you should because yeah,
Speaker 2: You're writing is even is even evident on Instagram, which
Speaker 2: is great.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hannah Cool. Well this has been fun you guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Really are Yeah, I'll see you next.
Speaker 1: When I in La, So she was awesome and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I was just walking her out, walking her
Speaker 1: to the elevator, and I was like, so, I guess
Speaker 1: we get to hang out again?
Speaker 2: So yeah, did you say yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I mean, what is she gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go to London or La or National. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: you need to come.
Speaker 2: To La Matt. I mean this all of our conversations
Speaker 2: come back to this, I feel like, but you know,
Speaker 2: I got to talk to her because I need to
Speaker 2: find out who does her facials, because her skin is incredible,
Speaker 2: pretty flawless. It's flawless and whatever. And you know, life
Speaker 2: on the road with a band that's not easy living.
Speaker 1: You'll talk to her when you drive the electric charger
Speaker 1: because she really wants to know.
Speaker 2: She has repeatedly brought that up to me. She genuinely
Speaker 2: is curious about.
Speaker 1: Also, where are you are they bringing one to you?
Speaker 2: I am traveling to Phoenix, Arizona for a special drive
Speaker 2: of it. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: That is awesome. I can't wait to hear what you
Speaker 1: think of the sound.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 2: I am kind of scared to hear what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: But I hope it's really good.
Speaker 1: I hope it has swayed interior. I hope there's fuzzy dice.
Speaker 2: Can you call it sort of an old couch?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: During our conversation, for sure, it is a very m
Speaker 2: which isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 1: No, All right, cool. So let's go from that end
Speaker 1: of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: Because you have a story out on Bloomberg dot Com
Speaker 1: about the most expensive what will likely be the most
Speaker 1: expensive cars ever sold at auction and possibly but I
Speaker 1: was shocked by reading your story right now about the
Speaker 1: current most expensive car ever sold at auction. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: a Ferrari to to fifty something, but only seventeen point
Speaker 1: eight million dollars.
Speaker 2: I will that was just last year. That was just
Speaker 2: the most expensive car sold last year.
Speaker 1: This year, last year, because the actual world record must
Speaker 1: be more like fifty or sixty.
Speaker 2: It's actually one hundred and forty two million dollars. Oh
Speaker 2: and that was the nineteen fifty five Mercedes Benz three
Speaker 2: hundred SLR Ullin' out coop that sold in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two in at private sale. Which the reason why we're
Speaker 2: bringing this up is because this Mercedes Streamliner, it's a
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty four W one ninety six are Streamliner, is
Speaker 2: also going to be sold in a private sale at auction.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird thing where it's like private,
Speaker 2: but you're invited, and it is sort of a public
Speaker 2: auction put on by Arms Sotheby's. The estimate on it
Speaker 2: right now is fifty million dollars, which I'm told is conservative.
Speaker 2: There's still obviously a wide gap between a fifty million
Speaker 2: dollar Mercedes and a one hundred and forty two million
Speaker 2: dollar Mercedes, but this one does have some bona fides.
Speaker 2: Of course. It was, you know, this very sleek body,
Speaker 2: inline eight cylinder engine racing car that was also driven
Speaker 2: by Fangio and Sterling Moss. Fangio, Yeah, Juan Manuel Fangio
Speaker 2: drove it in a Formula race in Buenos Aires in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five and he won, and Sterling Moss drove
Speaker 2: it in nineteen fifty five at Monza. So it's got
Speaker 2: like real racing heritage behind it. And this car is
Speaker 2: actually currently owned by the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum, which
Speaker 2: is selling a group of eleven cars to raise money
Speaker 2: to finance this huge restoration that they're doing, and this
Speaker 2: Mercedes is sort of the premier car that they're going
Speaker 2: to sell.
Speaker 1: Very cool, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big deal. And then so it's actually
Speaker 2: a series of three sales. So the Mercedes is one
Speaker 2: private sale in stute Gart that's happening in partnership with
Speaker 2: the Mercedes Benz Museum. And then the sort of second
Speaker 2: premier car is this Ferrari that's have you heard of
Speaker 2: NART Racing.
Speaker 1: Only from you. I know, I've read. I've read the
Speaker 1: acronym and AART. Yes, I don't know what it stands for,
Speaker 1: but I have heard about it from you talking about
Speaker 1: expensive cars of auction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it stands for North American Racing Team. And
Speaker 2: it was just a race series that happened in the sixties,
Speaker 2: assorted endurance and Formula races, but this Ferrari in particular
Speaker 2: one lamon in nineteen sixty five, of which was a
Speaker 2: feat not accomplished again by a Ferrari until twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: just last year. So it's a pretty special car too.
Speaker 2: I don't think it has any famous drivers, but it
Speaker 2: has real racing history. It's super rare.
Speaker 1: That would have been the precursor to Ford versus Ferrari
Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: And the estimate on this is three hundred million. It's
Speaker 2: nothing to scoff.
Speaker 1: At three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I know, sorry, thirty million. Take off that. I
Speaker 2: don't know what I was thinking. Thirty that was a
Speaker 2: great reaction. Thirty million. Take his narrow off that thirty
Speaker 2: million dollars. It's going to be sold at that retromobile.
Speaker 2: Very cool car show in Paris in February.
Speaker 1: You're right, I think at I mean that.
Speaker 2: Either no, and I do think that is a bit
Speaker 2: of a conservative estimate too. I mean everyone in this
Speaker 2: in the auction world says, yeah, it's the same old thing.
Speaker 2: The right car will sell. Everything else won't sell so.
Speaker 1: Well, especially at I mean S and P six thousand,
Speaker 1: bitcoin one hundred thousand. I mean we're at levels where
Speaker 1: rich people are super rich right now, so they can
Speaker 1: afford to go and drop some of that coin. The
Speaker 1: other thing is you went to this amazing Italian car
Speaker 1: show last time. Is it fair to call it Villadesta
Speaker 1: car show?
Speaker 2: It's like a concoor yeahh a car show, so concor.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean people, it's It's been around
Speaker 1: for a while obviously, but it didn't really come into
Speaker 1: my sort of field of vision until I saw you
Speaker 1: go there and it looks amazing. I love like Lagomajora
Speaker 1: and the whole area.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Como, Yes, David, George Clooney.
Speaker 1: You know I love George Clooney too, Yes?
Speaker 2: Is he one of your guys? Is he like a
Speaker 2: guy you really like?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure, you know Clooney and Pitt and these
Speaker 1: are classic holl would like they can pull off pencil
Speaker 1: thin mustaches, you know, by the way. I just saw
Speaker 1: Gladiator two.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was bad. I didn't think it's
Speaker 1: not as good in my opinion as Gladiator one. But
Speaker 1: that's probably because I saw Gladiator one when I was
Speaker 1: like an angst field teenager, you know.
Speaker 2: But very impressionable.
Speaker 1: I did think that the way it was shot, you know,
Speaker 1: the film was a callback to those great American films
Speaker 1: like a Ben hur or a Lawrence Arabia. And especially
Speaker 1: the title actor. I don't know the guy whatever else
Speaker 1: he's been in, like Mescal Powell, Mescal I think is
Speaker 1: his name. No, no, no, not not Pedro from the
Speaker 1: Last of Us, but this guy I think is called
Speaker 1: I think he's called Paul Mescal. And the lines he's given,
Speaker 1: you know, the way he delivers them, and the way
Speaker 1: that are filmed, he really comes off like a Peter o'tool,
Speaker 1: like one of these classic Hollywood like he could pull
Speaker 1: off a pencil thin munk.
Speaker 2: Does he have an Irish accent in the film, No,
Speaker 2: he is Irish?
Speaker 1: Oh is he Paul Muska.
Speaker 2: I've just googled him, Yeah to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: I just he reminded me of Oh interesting, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: I could see a Peter o'tool sort of his profile
Speaker 2: I'm seeing. I'm seeing Ika, So, uh should I see Gladiator.
Speaker 1: To rush out?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what move I watched last night,
Speaker 2: which does hold up Casino.
Speaker 1: I love that movie.
Speaker 2: Great film. And also I just Sharon Stone is incredible,
Speaker 2: Like everyone talks about Peshi and Paccino and everything, but
Speaker 2: I feel like she doesn't get enough credit for that film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's a.
Speaker 2: Credit completely. She actually came to a press dinner as
Speaker 2: the featured guest of honor like two years ago, and
Speaker 2: when she walks into the room, everything shifts. It's even still,
Speaker 2: you know, and especially still her. She has this whole
Speaker 2: powerful thing going on. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she's pretty great. Yeah all right, So but
Speaker 1: I brought up Villadesta because oh yes, Villadesta, Villadeste, whatever
Speaker 1: it's called, because uh, Haggarty is gonna what are they
Speaker 1: gonna do? Like take it out?
Speaker 2: Yeah so this is no, they're not taking it over.
Speaker 2: But Broad Arrow Auctions, which is owned by Haggarty, will
Speaker 2: be partnering with BMW to become the auction partner of
Speaker 2: the Concord Delegance Villadeste. So that means that there's going
Speaker 2: to be a sale in May next year of about
Speaker 2: seventy amazing cars. I mean, admittedly this is very niche news,
Speaker 2: but in the world of car sales and these high
Speaker 2: end Concord it's a big deal. And it's a really
Speaker 2: big get for broad Arrow. This is the first auction
Speaker 2: that they will have outside of the United States. They're
Speaker 2: a pretty young auction house, so yes, in this niche
Speaker 2: corner of the car world, it's pretty big news. And
Speaker 2: congrats to broad Aero. That's quite a git.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me because we have Mkhil Haggerty
Speaker 1: coming up as a guest.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, everyone listening, mark your calendar, we do
Speaker 2: have mkhil coming up. He's gonna go on TV with
Speaker 2: you and then with us, yes, with us. I will
Speaker 2: be there too, and then we need to ask him
Speaker 2: how this came about. It's funny. I actually saw him
Speaker 2: on Lake Como last year during last year's event, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was laying the groundwork for this great
Speaker 2: news and big announcement. So I want to talk to
Speaker 2: him about that for sure.
Speaker 1: Cool. All right, Well that's how we have I'm Matt
Speaker 1: Miller and I'm.
Speaker 2: Hannah Elliott and this is Bloomberg. H