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So I want 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.600 to go ahead and give a major shout out here 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.560 to the chairman of the CFTC, the Commodities Future Trading Commission, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.160 which is responsible for regulating prediction markets, wo by the 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.480 way is actually a former crypto executive and is now 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.240 actually trying to preempt any state efforts to rein in 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.759 prediction markets backdoor sports gambling across the nation, violating state 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.600 sovereignty and their ability to regulate sports gambling internally. Here's 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.959 the chairman of the CFDC, Mike Sellig. Let's take a 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:17.959 listen to what he had to say. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.640 CFDC Chairman Mike saliing here. Over the past year, American 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.319 prediction markets have been hit with an onslaught of state 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:33.319 led litigation. In response, the CFDC has today filed a 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.760 Friend of the Court brief to defend its exclusive jurisdiction 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.640 over these derivative markets. Today, the CFDC is taking an 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.440 important step to ensure that these markets have a place 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.560 here in America and have the integrity and resilience and 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.840 vibrancy that our derivatives' markets deserve. To those who seek 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.920 to challenge our authority in this space, let me be clear, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.640 we will see you in court. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.960 So what he is saying there is that states do 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.880 not have the right to regulate sports gambling, which goes 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.639 directly against the Supreme Court decision. Now, let me also explain, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.080 because if you listen to that. You're like, oh, well, 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.799 he's talking about derivative markets and financial work. No, that's 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.760 not what this is about, literally at all. And don't 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.640 get to that here in a second. Let's put up 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.399 here Governor Spencer Cox of Utah's response. He says, Mike, 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.640 I appreciate you attempting this with a straight face, but 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.120 I don't remember the CFTC having authority over the derivative 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.080 market of Lebron James rebounds. These prediction markets you are 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.560 breathlessly defending are gambling, pure and simple. They are destroying 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.480 the lives of families and countless Americans, especially young men. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.640 They have no place in Utah. Let me be clear, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.280 I will use every resource within my disposal as governor 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.519 of the sovereign state of Utah and under the Constitution 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.760 of the United States, to beat you in court. So 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.639 that is a Republican governor. And this very much, Chrystal 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.040 resembles what happened with AI. You have these companies, you 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.480 have Calshi, you have Polymarket, you have DraftKings, FanDuel, all 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.280 of the gambling companies rushing to get into the prediction 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.680 market space. And let me explain this very clearly sports gambling, 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.760 as you all know, which I am massively against the 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.800 Fanduels and the DraftKings. They are more tightly regulated than 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.639 these prediction markets. What the prediction markets are arguing is 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.240 that because they are explicitly not gambling, that they are 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.040 legalized in all fifty states. And as we have also seen, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.480 if go take a look at DraftKings stock and FanDuel stock, 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.000 they're down forty to fifty percent. The reason why is 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.760 they're bleeding money to these prediction markets. Vegas actually handled 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.840 way less money for the Super Bowl this year than 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.360 they did the year before. Why gambling is a loser 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.440 take all market. And what I mean by that is 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.320 whichever person is willing to offer the most degenerate bets, 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.640 that's the person who wins. And even as bad as 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.040 much as I hate DraftKings and FanDuel, you're not betting 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:55.360 on dildo colors on the floors on the basketball courts 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.440 of WNBA. Even they have a standard because they have 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.280 state regulators that they have to deal with, right they have. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.520 I mean, we're talking about the different colors of gatorade. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.720 Like it's quoint to think about people in Vegas. Well, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.520 every year betting on heads and tails. That used to 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.480 be the most the worst example of degenerous. No, like, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.200 we are in a ten to fifteen to twenty thirty 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.160 times worse situation with the type of bets that are 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.000 being offered on this rife for insider trading. Remember the 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.480 Streaker one I told you about that literally happened. Somebody 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.599 actually did bet on Streaker and then did it. It 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.800 was an offshore book, to be clear, however, and his 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.120 bet was avoided. But I'm giving you an example of 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.599 exactly the type of things can happen. This is not 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.640 even to mention all the insider trading possibilities from that. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.800 We saw the state of Israel just indicted multiple people 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.120 who were in the military and arrested them for betting 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.080 on operations that they knew was going to happen. You 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.600 cannot allow bets life and death. Very recently, there was 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.880 a market on whether a space booster was going to fail, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.200 and they were like, wow, it's really cool to bet 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.039 on stuff which could literally result in the deaths of 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.680 the crew are involved. And they're like, well, to be clear, 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.279 it's just about a mechanical failure. It's like, yeah, mechanical 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.520 failure that could literally lead to it. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.640 Yeah, what do you think is going to happen that 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:08.800 mechanical Right, So. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.000 I'm just betting on whether Apollo thirteen is going to 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.920 take off or not. Guys, Right, it's a come on. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.280 This is the nonsense, yeah, which has been This is 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:21.800 this is literally like the clearest example of total free 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.960 market capitalism, which is except as always in the American context, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.159 completely backed now by the power of the state. The 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.280 United States federal government going to bat not just for 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.200 betting markets, but for betting markets that offer the worst, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.839 most degenerate products that milk these people. You know, the 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.480 advertising of these companies. They're telling children out there, eighteen 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.000 nineteen year olds, guys, this is how you can make 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.760 your life savings. This is how you can pay your tuition. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.160 I mean, I'm getting reels of guys who are betting 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.039 on whether Trump is going to say the word low 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.680 IQ and they're watching, you know, an entire weeks worth 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.960 of news and then cheering and popping champagne whenever he 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.760 finally says it for a five hundred to one payout work. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.200 This is insanity, like absolute insanity, and it's being backed 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.000 by the government because these people are making money hand 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.599 over fist. It's disgusting. This is gambling, pure and simple. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.160 Yeah, well the gas lighting put D four up on 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.520 the screen of like this is a derivatives market where 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.400 Americans can hedge their risk against changing weather or no, 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.760 this is sports betting, okay, I mean the estimate here 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:34.240 is that ninety percent of Calshi's bets are on our sports. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.240 Like that's that's primarily what these things are used for, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.680 and not that it really would make it better if 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.360 it wasn't primarily sports. But you know, their dodge is factively, Oh, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.719 this isn't really sports gambling. It's the sophisticated derivatives and 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.920 we're just democratizing the access to this technology. Blah blah blah. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.440 Like the whole thing is just complete gas lighting. And 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.280 you know, I think to me, zooming out the two 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.720 major underlying stories here, the two things that are really 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.400 going on is number one, the corruption obviously, like you know, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.720 I mean Don Junior's on the COUCHI board, like it's 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.680 you know, they're making tons of money, They're throughout the 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.560 whole government, So they want this gravy train to the 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.120 people in power are profiting off of this direct exploitation 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.160 of you know, ordinary Americans, and they want that gravy 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.840 train to keep going. We are at the stage in 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.800 capitalism where like the level of just predatory behavior is 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.960 completely brazen and completely overt. But I think the other 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.560 thing that is going on here is, you know, we've 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.280 always are Our national story has always had a bit 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.840 of like a casino lottery element to it, of like 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.640 you may not be rich today, but hey, here in America, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.160 anything's possible. The previous story was about if you work 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.680 hard and you know, we have this grand meritocracy, and 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.120 there was some level of truth to that, right, not completely, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.360 but there was some level, and people bought into it. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:57.400 So it was like, okay, if. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:58.680 We do the right and we go to school, we 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.360 work hard, and we start a great busines. Since we 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.680 make a great product, we too can join like the 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.880 class of the millionaires, We too can become one of 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:12.880 society's elites. Now that story has unraveled, So now the 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.680 story is just complete casino capitalism. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:16.920 It's just complete. You know. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.800 We use the example before. Maybe you too can get 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.520 cast as a plant in the Bad Bunny halftime show 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.800 and have insider knowledge of whether Lady Gaga and Ricky 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.680 Martin are going to be performing. 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.400 And be able to cash in. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.640 That is, in the absence of, you know, a broader 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:38.520 redistribution of wealth. They are wrapping this explicitly predatory scheme 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.200 in a like promise of riches and wealth for ordinary 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.160 people who have lost all hope that there is any 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.320 other path to success, not even riches in wealth, but 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.480 just to like escape an entirely precarious existence. So I 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.920 think when you look at when you look at this 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.000 in a certain ways, when you look at the AI development, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.520 certainly in the crypto space and the betting space, I 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.440 think part of what is going on here is not 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.800 just about the corruption. It's about selling a narrative to 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.320 people that this is going to be the new way 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.040 that you're able to make it big and. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.320 Let me, you know, bring it out even deeper, just 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.040 show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. I wanted 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.960 to cover this a few weeks ago, but we weren't 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.360 able to put it in the show. Let's put C 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.000 three or D three up there on the screen. The 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.880 CFTC before this announcement, literally just a week before announced 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.839 the Innovation Advisory Committee. Let me name you some of 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.120 the people who are on there. The CEO of Coinbase, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.520 the CEO of Polymarket, the CEO of Ripple, the CEO 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.560 of FanDuel, the CEO of Calshi, the CEO crypto dot Com, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.920 the CEO of DraftKings, the CEO of Blockchain, the CEO 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.120 of Kraken, Gemini, Solana Labs, Robin Hood. I mean I 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.160 just named some of the worst companies in the United States. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.520 Like these are the people who are getting phenomenally rich 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.320 basically making gambling as widely available to the American public 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.360 as they can using an buying In some cases the 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.120 power now of the power of the federal government to 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:09.080 basically enable their ability to legalize gambling across the nation. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.319 I never even thought I would be in the business 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.880 of defending the DraftKings and the fan duels. But really 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.040 this is about state sovereignty. I massively opposed sports gambling. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.880 I think we should make it completely illegal at the 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.720 online level. If people want to have gambling in their states, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.480 they should have to go to a casino, and it 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.960 should be very tightly regulated in terms of the number 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.400 of bets to make sure that you know you can't 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.600 do prop bets for insider trading. And all of that, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.280 et cetera. But at a sovereign level. From what the 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.960 Supreme Court said, it's up to the states. You cannot 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.640 allow the CFTC and the federal government to just say, hey, California, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.319 you know they had a whole referendum on this. They 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.560 rejected it. They said, Nope, we're not going to do it. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.320 We're going to keep it in the whatever in the 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.920 tribal casinos. Texas, same thing the gambling companies have taken 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.199 l after l in Texas. Texas legislature is like, nope, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.480 we're not doing it, which cost Miriam Madlson all these 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.800 people a hell of a lot of money. But this 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.720 is how you get around it. It's literally making the 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.640 worst possible types of bets with zero regulation or at 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.480 least the least amount of regulation, taking it out of 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.480 the hands of the state and saying no, we're going 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.280 to make it widely available for all and none of 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.600 the proper safeguards that are currently in place for insider trading. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.800 And these people are printing money. Remember the CALCI founder 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.160 who's like, I'm one of the youngest female billionaires in 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.800 the world. We should be ashamed of this. This is 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.560 shameful to become a billionaire by propping up gambling, and 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.600 you know everybody is like in the tech industry, everybody's 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.360 getting bought off. I recently saw a story of a guy, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.120 a sports podcaster who criticized cal sheet. They reached out 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.559 to him the next week for They reach out to 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.960 him literally the week after to offer him a sponsorship. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.400 And you know, nobody wants to talk about this because 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.680 they're all taking money from the same thing. And you 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.360 would think DraftKings and Fantool would be trying to do 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.760 something about No DraftKings is now, Oh, we're going to 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.520 get into the prediction business. This is a race to 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.800 the bottom to make it as completely unregulated, open for 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.520 insider trading, open for corruption as possible. But because they're 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.120 all making so much money milking all of these people, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.280 regular sports fans, people who are losing hope, the bottom 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.960 level of society, like we are turning everyday Americans, especially 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.480 young men, into the same guys that you see at 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.040 the gas station doing scratch off tickets. That's what we're 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.480 doing for a whole nation, and it's like nobody wants 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.800 to stand up for it. Luckily, at least some are 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.440 let me put D five up here on the screen. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.440 I want to give credit to Elizabeth Warren. She says 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.120 Trump's CFTC is trying to strip state authority to regulate 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.080 gambling within their borders, protect Americans from getting ripped off. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.320 The CFTC should focus on ensuring our derivatives markets don't 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.959 blow up the economy again, not helping corrupt political insiders 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.720 cash in. Excellent, well said. And then finally D six, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.360 Just if you're wondering where this is all coming from, 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.440 don't forget the Donald Trump's own truth Social company was 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.559 supposed to launch a polymarket competitor, and Donald Trump Junior 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.440 himself is literally a strategic advisor to both CALCI and 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.840 to Polymarket. We're currently on the CFTC Advisory committee and 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.280 who the new CFTC chairman is working on their behalf. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.400 And by the way, even before this, the CFTC advisor 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.480 or the CFTC committee, he wasn't necessarily supposed to have 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.599 all this authority. There were a lot of shenanigans in 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.000 terms of making sure that nobody else was on the board, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.720 similar to what they did here with the FTC. So 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.720 here we go. This is going to be a multi 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:38.080 billion dollar bonanza. The amount of people who are going 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.920 to lose money, it's astronomical, Like the amount of sports 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.520 betters and other people were going to be lured in. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.360 There's no regulation for advertising, no regulation at the federal level. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.120 It's going to be I mean, this is going to 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.439 be as close to a Rip and Roar eighteen ninety silver, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.320 you know, pedaling, what were the snake oil We're going back. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.560 This is what it's going to look like. And think 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.800 about how comulated, how many people suffered from that. But 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.240 I'm just glad that this tech executives are going to 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:07.959 get filthy. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.520 Rich on steroids in the algorithm era too, where it's 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.520 like all super supercharged. I wanted to shout out Pedro Gonzalez. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:15.719 I thought he had a good take on this, and 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.120 shout out to you as well for being like principled 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.360 and consistent in your position series. It's very funny that 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.600 the New Right does this save the West LARP and 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.920 then you look at its policy preferences and it's all 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.400 just legalizing crime, crypto scams, normalizing gambling, et cetera. It's 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.960 the movement of decline and profiting from decline. And I 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.040 mean You've been making this point about, like, you know, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.200 the all of the quote unquote degenerate behavior is now 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.640 just like embraced and fully deregulated, and no one bothers 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.320 to pause and say, this seems a little inconsistent with 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.200 some of the other things a lot of political project 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:44.720 has been. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.400 A lot of right wingers were so mad at me 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.040 yesterday for tweeting this, and I said that Trump is 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.080 now the most pro vice president in American history. He 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.720 in a single year, he is trying to deregulate and 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:59.360 legalize gambling in all fifty states. He is rescheduling marijuana 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.520 to enrich hit rich drug pedaling donors, and is now 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.800 pressuring banks to maintain access for only fans models. So 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.680 I mean, there you go. I mean, what else you have? 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.160 The most pro porn, pro wed, pro gambling president in 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.960 American history. Congratulations for many of us who you know, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.840 at the very least you know thought, Look, I knew 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.440 the crypto thing was going to be a bonanza and whatever, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.120 like that's bad, but it's kind of separate to gambling, 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.080 Like this is the most predatory industry with the highest 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.960 suicide rate. I mean, they're one third of American young 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.480 men have an open gambling account. The amount of addiction, 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.840 it's if you talk to the gambling hotlines and others, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.600 it is horrible. And for those of you who think like, oh, 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.760 I don't gamble, so it doesn't affect me. When a 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.840 state legalizes online, a state legalizes gambling, the aggregate like 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.360 amount of credit goes down. It actually affects everybody. The 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.880 amount of domestic violence it goes up. The public resources 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.000 are going to have to be dedicated to dealing with this. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.120 It's going to be like the cocaine crisis in the 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.200 eighteen nineties, when all of a sudden, we just said 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.360 junkies everywhere, and we didn't know what to do. It's 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.840 going to be very similar. Go to Vegas and you 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.640 see the bums that are on the street begging for 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.960 a dollar so they can get some food. That's going 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.400 to be the whole nation, you know. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.480 And it's the adaption to pretend you're pro family. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.920 Well you know, yeah, yeah, nothing will blow up in regularly. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.160 Nothing will blow your life up like a gambling addiction. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.240 I can tell you a story after story, lawsuit after 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.520 lawsuit after lawsuit, people who never placed a bet to 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.480 fully bankrupt divorce and on the verge of suicide in 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.840 the span of two or three years, gambling with their 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.480 kids Christmas presents, life savings, five twenty nine accounts, and 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.880 these people will take your money all day long. And 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.760 now it's going to be even less regularly, and it's. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.360 Young men who will suffer the most. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.480 Your most you know, easily is sort of like have 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.320 the psychology that's the most easily exploited by this stuff 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.960 that are overwhelmingly the largest percentage. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.440 Of the bad. So bad, All right, let's get to 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:52.920 the next one. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.640 So the New York Times had a very interesting focus 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.520 group of Democratic voters, which I feel like we don't 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.200 see that much. I feel like there's always because the 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.560 liberal media is kind of like more in tune with Democrats. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.200 There's less curiosity about what's going on with the Democratic base. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.320 So it's usually either like swing voters or Trump voters. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.880 Let's go on safari and see what these strange creatures 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.240 think about the world. So they decided to do that 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.360 with the Democratic base, and you know, now, I think 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.119 liberal media has become more disconnected from where the Democratic bases, 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.440 and the Democratic party leadership certainly has become more disconnected 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.520 from where the Democratic bases. So anyway we can put 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.280 this F one up on the screen. This was the 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.760 headline for their focus group. They said, show up for 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.000 us thirteen Democratic voters on Trump Ice and their frustrations 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.800 with the Democratic Party and the thing they sees on 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.640 here at the top with these three voters is their 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.320 description of the Democratic Party. One says paralyzed and the 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.240 other says sold out, another says afraid. These are three 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.280 very different people, very different you know, backgrounds. So and 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.959 this was the conclusion across the board, let's go and 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.400 put F two up on the screen. This is probably 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.679 the slide that got the single most attention. Ryan, Emily 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.199 and Emily mentioned this in their show yesterday, but we 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.879 wanted to dig in a little bit more. They asked 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:12.720 their thirteen focused group participants what type of candidates they're 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.200 looking for, and they ask them, you know, would you 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.600 prefer someone who's young or you don't really care? And overwhelmingly, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.560 of course, people say we like someone who's younger. What 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.399 sort of class background there is major preference for, you know, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.600 middle or working class? They asked them, do you prefer 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.000 a candidate who identifies as progressive or a candidate who 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:34.639 identifies as moderate. Every single person said they prefer a 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:40.440 progressive candidate for a moderate candidate. Literally, no one raised 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.919 a hand. Okay, let me go ahead and put the 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.320 next piece up on the screen of data here. That 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.200 was also interesting. So this is where they're asking them. Okay, well, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.159 tell me what you think about the Democratic Party if 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.240 you had to use one or two words to describe it, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:55.600 what words would you pick? 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:55.719 Now? 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.959 I remind you, these are all Democrats, okay, these are 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:04.720 Democratic Party voters. Number one spineless, Number two, more complacent 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.000 than I thought they would be. Number three paralyzed, afraid, incompetent. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.720 I guess suffocated or given up, sold out? Next one 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.919 sellouts and suckers immobilized. Can I say no balls, no kahonas, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:19.720 I will say, there are a large number of young 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.480 Democrats that are really starting to climb the ranks in 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.280 the party, that are motivated. I'm hoping that that will 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.520 start to take over a little bit more so when 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.399 you see those numbers overall, of like the Democratic Party 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.560 being at its lowest approval rating in history. These type 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.200 of people are a big part of that story because 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.480 obviously Republicans are going to hate Democrats. There's a significant 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.399 number of independents who are obviously discussed with Democrats, but 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.679 it's their own voters being so disgusted and frustrated with 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.359 them that has really sent them to the lowest lows 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.399 and then last one. Then we can get, you know, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.200 into our reaction to all of this. This is there 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.360 was a question about, Okay, well, is there anyone out 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.320 there that you think is you know, doing something good. 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.560 Has anybody seen anything from Democrat, any candidate or public 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.680 figure or someone locally that's made you say, oh. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.879 Yeah, we need more of this. This is what we 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:06.600 should be doing. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.280 More of this, guy, says Mike thirty three, white Democrat, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.560 says Zoron Montani. Clear concise messaging. It's exactly what everybody wants. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.120 It helps everybody. It's the perfect messaging because it's clear 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.520 and concise. Unlike Democrats, just like Bernie. Bernie has said 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.240 the same thing since the eighties. You've got a tax 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.800 of billionaires, you've got a tax upperclass. He's never changed. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.360 That's the messaging. You've just got to drill it into them. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.280 And Zoron did it. Man, it's beautiful. Diane seventy two 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.800 said Mike said it pretty clearly, and I can't really 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.720 think of anything to add to that. And there was 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.240 another person further down the list who also was like, yeah, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:39.760 Mike said what I was going to say. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:40.960 Now, I will temper that. 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.679 Zager with the fact that the other two names that 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.360 came up organically in the course of the conversation as 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.360 like democratic candidates that they were excited about were Jasmine 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:51.960 Crockett and Pete Booter. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.320 I wanted everyone to know very careful because. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.400 So what a progressive is is very. 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.840 Contested, as we have all discovered over the years of 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.440 the show. And I have no hate for the average American, 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.520 but it's not like people are very good at self identifying. 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.720 Somebody will be like, I'm a conservative, but that means 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.480 I want to tax billionaires and you're like, wait what 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.800 You're like, what are you talking about? Right? And then somebody, Look, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.280 people are complicated. They don't think much about terms when 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.080 they hear the I mean, when I say the word progressive, 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:20.639 what do they think I want to move forward? 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:20.800 Right? 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.320 I mean can mean a lot of different things. Do 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.879 the activist class to the leftist base, that's an actual identity. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.880 So like when I say I am a rightist. That's 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.359 because I've read a lot about politics. I don't identify 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.639 as a small C conservative. That's really not something that 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.399 is like that doesn't encompass like a belief right like 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.119 I would put myself much more in the vein of 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.920 like a European rightist. But most people don't think about 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.640 politics like. They don't read a lot about definitions. To them, 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.280 progressive means going forward, great, awesome right. 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.120 Just to add to that, at least one of them, 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.639 but maybe a number of them, brought up Joe Manchin 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.520 as why they do not want to moderate. And so 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.840 I think the combination of him, Kirson cinem and maybe 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.240 a handful of others, but those two being the primary villains, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:07.200 they really destroyed the moderate label within the Democratic Party 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.200 because now moderate just seems like, oh, you're just gonna 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.080 obstruct anything good happening. You're just going to sell out 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.000 to like various corporate interests. 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:16.679 So no, of course we don't want that. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:18.919 And then the other thing, and this is where you 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:23.600 know where it's dangerous, is there is a the Democratic 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.840 base is united in wanting to fight harder against Trump right. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.160 They want someone who's pushing back effectively and is out 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.240 there and taking risks and is meeting the moment in 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.040 terms of the threat that they perceive to the country. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.159 Sometimes though, that can be very amorphous. That's how you 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.439 end up with someone like Jasmine Crockett being named as 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.560 like she's a fighter will She is very rhetorically gifted, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.600 she's very sassy. You know, she gets out there, she's 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.919 like quick with the quip, undeniably like talented and charismatic. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.360 But if you dig underneath the surface, there's some real 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.520 problems there in terms of who she's taking money from 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.000 and the positions, how far she's willing to go, and she's. 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:02.200 Procrypt, she's identity pauled, like she's calling James Tallerico racist. 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.119 You know, she's the worst if you ask me. But 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:05.200 that's the issue. 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:06.600 But that's that's the challenge. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.400 That's the question mark to me is not do Democrats 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.400 want to f They do, There's no doubt about it. 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.080 You know that that argument has been one and I 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.440 think the argument also has been one about like we're 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.440 not listening to these establishment boys like Chuck Shumeranha King, Jeffries, 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.680 go fuck yourself. We don't care what you have to say. 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.840 Even liberal you know, media institutions. I think there's been 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.719 a really breaking of the trust. But what it means 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.240 is being a progressive. Is that Gavin Newsome being on 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.400 Twitter and doing his like trolling routine, or is that, 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:38.760 you know, a Zoran mom Donnie type of politician where 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:40.920 not only do you have I mean Zora actually doesn't 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:42.840 do a lot of the like trope clapback or whatever, 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.359 but where you have an aggressive social media posture, but 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:49.000 it's backed up by specific policies as well. And so 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.000 that's the piece that you know, I think sort of 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.080 remains to be determined, and we're going to see. I 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.520 think we'll get a lot of indication of that from 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.600 some of the primaries that are going to play out 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.760 going to play out right now, and then certainly obviously 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.280 the biggest test of that will be in twenty twenty 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.280 eight whether someone like Gavin Newsom is going to be 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.600 able to position themselves as a quote unquote progressive even 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.680 as he is out there standing with billionaires to oppose 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.800 a wealth tax in his state. I am personally actually 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.280 hopeful that some of those things will be a problem, 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.720 Like you can see them mention in you know, a 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.320 bunch of the responses throughout this they talk about taxing 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.760 the rich as it's kind of like a litmus test issue, 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.320 and that would be a very hard one for a 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.919 Gavin Newsom's style candidate to you know, obviously he's like 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.119 already on the wrong side of that issue. So I 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:41.480 am hopeful that there actually will be a substantive policy 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:44.959 lens that the term progressive will be viewed for, But 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.480 I fully acknowledge that that is still a question mark 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:47.960 for sure. 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.960 As I have learned over the years, and I've watched 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.639 the words working class came to mean very different things. 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.159 To remember, Ted Cruz used to say that we're a 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.479 working class part. Ted Cruz called up a working class politician, okay, 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:02.080 And if you were to ask people, some of the 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.960 people who voted for him, they might even say, oh, yeah, 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.480 you sports the work, like be honest, like is there 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.879 a huge disconnect for all of it. I've seen the 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:13.000 term bastardized about populism or working class now in the 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.880 Republican Party, and it can be true at a rhetorical level, 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:18.119 wrong at a policy level. Turns out, a lot of 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.640 people don't care about the policy level. At the middle 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.320 of an election, you could very easily see how it 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.560 could be bastardized. And I mean for the people who 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:27.399 watch our show, it's going to be tough because you know, 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:29.680 you guys, if you're watching this, you're in the top 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.159 two five percent of people consume politics. You got to 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.800 think about your uncle or somebody who really doesn't pay 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.439 that much attention is pissed off about Trump because of 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:40.840 the White House lawn or something like that. You know 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.200 somebody who's cranky about decorum. What does the term progressive 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.200 mean to them? Probably nothing. And so when a Pete 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.119 boodhaj Edge can say that famous Hillary line, I'm a 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.119 progressive who likes to get things done, it might land 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.280 same with Gavin Newsom. I nobody's done more on climate 0:25:56.400 --> 0:26:00.440 than me. The billionaire question. He's a very savvy political operator. 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:04.480 Times I'll give you some hope. I'll give you some hope, 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:08.119 which is for the Democratic base. Because the Democratic base 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:13.159 is now more overwhelmingly college educated than everyone else. They 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.000 are going to be a lot more well read and 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:20.560 grammatic literally grammatically, uh, let's think about the best way 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.400 to phrases. They're going to be a lot more educated 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.280 and a lot more have much more of an ability 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.560 to parse language and actually think about what these terms mean. 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.800 As opposed to what the current existing Republican base is 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.040 going to be, They're going to be way more heavier 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.600 news consumers, much more well read whenever it comes to politics, 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.679 probably care much more about policy. Richard Henania has the 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.040 famous thing about how conservatives watch TV and liberals read 0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.880 that actually does matter whenever it comes to policy, prescription 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.080 and other things. Is if you're going to read a 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.280 policy position that already puts you pretty dramatically out of 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.760 step with some of the other base that is voting, 0:26:57.800 --> 0:26:59.560 I mean, I'm just being real here in terms of 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.919 how that will look. So I think it will actually 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.560 look quite different. But the other thing that I'm not 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:06.760 I don't want to underestimate for a lot of the 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.080 people who are also Democrats is you should forget don't forget. 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.439 South Carolina could be the first state and that's a 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:16.560 very different Democratic primary. And then if you have lower 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.040 propensity voters who are upset at Trump who come out 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:20.440 to vote. 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.680 Although those people in South Carolina did not mess with 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.600 Pete Boodage, so I'm not worried about him doing well there, they. 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.719 Could mess with Crockett right, I could see that. 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.320 I mean, you think, don't you think she's going to 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:29.960 run for president? 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:30.720 Maybe? Why not? 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.480 I think he's not to win. 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.240 You know Texas, like the war senator from Texas. 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.280 Bato failed he ran for president. 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:38.520 Yeah, but how did that work out? 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:39.560 Sure he got two percent? 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:40.479 But yeah, I don't know. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:42.520 What I need is Jim Clyburn to come in and 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.359 make you a king. Remember there's no Iowa, there's no 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:46.960 New Hampshire Clearinghouse this time. 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:47.479 Well it's not. 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:49.600 It's actually not clear what the order of the states 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.040 is going to be. Some of that is still up 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.680 for grounds. South Carolina will certainly be early and important 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:54.360 in the process. 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.359 But I mean, here's here's what I would say. 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.600 My own prediction is that there are going to be 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.720 a few issues that are Lippus test issues. I think 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.920 their money for maypack, I think they're taxing the rich, 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.000 and I think it's abolishing nice. I think those three 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.199 things are going to be actual litmus test issues, and 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.880 candidates who can't give clear cut answers on that are 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.199 going to struggle. And I think the testing ground for 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:16.880 that has been that I've had at podcast where you've 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.760 got you know, you've got lady, I mean, Jennifer and 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.159 Pumps at this point have really shifted a lot to 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.480 the left right. These were Hillary supporters who are now like, 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:26.960 you know what, Bernie was right and we should have 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.600 been there a lot. So they have shifted significantly. But 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.119 you know, their audience is very reflective of kind of 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.480 like the core liberal base of the Democratic Party. And 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.440 they are not speak not having it. They have not 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.360 having it with Corey Booker coming on and doing his 0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.520 little tap dance or Ram Emmanuel whoever. 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.720 They are not having it with these people. 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.200 And so you know, that tells me there is kind 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.520 of a hard line and an expectation of we want 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.480 to hear not just you, you know, with a bunch 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.200 of word salad trying to massage an answer. We want 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.560 to hear yes or no answers to these few questions. 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.560 The other thing that gives me some hope, especially on 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.040 the identity politics front. 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:06.480 Is there is also the level of trickery that Hillary. 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.240 Clinton was able to engage in in her campaign against Bernie, 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:13.640 where she was positioning herself like using identity politics to 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.600 pretend like she was the more progressive candidate. I think 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.440 people see through that garbage entirely at this point, as 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.360 evidenced by the fact that Hailey Stevens, who is a 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.320 Michigan member of Congress, she's in the House right now 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.000 and is running for Senate. It's like the conservative or 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.040 moderate candidate in that race back by Tuck, Shoomer, etc. 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.520 She went and toured an ICE facility and she tro 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.880 When she came out, she was like, Oh, I felt 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.880 better because we've got female ICE agents who are running 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.200 the place, trying to do like a girl boss ice 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.320 agent situation. And people were not buying this whatsoever. 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.120 This is f five. Let's take aalism of noe. 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.320 There are female female leadership. 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.280 Here your female leadership, and there are women. 0:29:55.600 --> 0:30:00.320 Who who walked with us today and explained on the 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.440 intake process how important it is to dream people with humanity, 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.680 and that obviously really stuck out to me because some 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.320 of the things that we are witnessing before our eyes 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.320 in our neighborhoods, in our streets is really a lack 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:14.080 of humanity. 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.800 So people were you know, this one did not land. 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:22.640 This did not land with the Democratic base whatsoever. I mean, 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.160 it's the name, right, It's like you know they're bombing. 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.960 But they're they're at least their female. 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.400 Right, they're female, and they're flying the gay pride flags. No, no, no, 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:32.880 where we see through that. Now, we're not doing this anymore. 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.240 Listen, I would I would welcome nothing more. More. Recently, 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.000 there's been a gay there's been a sassy gay ice 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.520 agent who's gone viral on the road. Oh, I thought 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:46.080 I saw that. I loved the same thing. If we 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.520 could turn them against we can turn against identity politics, 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.680 no one will be happier than me. Oh that was great. 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:56.760 Let's get to the next one. 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.400 Yeah. So this is an interesting story. 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:00.280 It kind of dovetails with some of the you know, 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.800 it's a cross coalitional I think backlash against the push 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.520 towards gambling. But the most clear place where we've had 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:10.680 this cross partisan backlash is in the fight against AI 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.160 more broadly, but specifically on the front lines with regards 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:14.520 to data centers. And we could put this up on 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.920 the screen. This is a scene from Claremore, Oklahoma. This 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:23.920 is like a local Oklahoma town meeting where this person 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.040 who was in Oklahoma says people are being arrested for 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.719 speaking out against AI data centers. Please keep standing up 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.240 for your community. There's another video that's gone viral this 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.040 morning that I saw you guys could take this down. 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.200 That I saw of another place I'm not sure if 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:38.880 it was a red state or not, but where there 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.680 had been significant protests against the data center and ultimately 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.000 the town backs down. The backlash against these places is 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.480 really building. And I was just listening to The New 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:50.120 York Times actually did a deep dive into a town 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:52.760 in Indiana that has become a hot spot for a 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.000 bunch of these data centers. 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.320 And the first ones kind of got built and. 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.440 People just like accepted it, and there wasn't they didn't 0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.840 need any zone owing approval, so the town council like 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.239 it just kind of sailed through. And now people are 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.720 experiencing all of this increased traffic and noise, and they're 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.280 starting to research, Okay, what even is AI and what 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:11.600 is this going to mean, and what's it going to 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.320 mean long term? And how many jobs are even really created? 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:16.400 What is this going to mean for our community? And 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.320 now there was a huge backlash to this new data 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.440 center that they were trying to place there that did 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.400 require a zoning change, which meant that the town had 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.240 a chance to weigh in, so they held meetings overnight 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.480 and they first called for okay, who's in support of this? 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.600 And people got up and they spoke for there were like, 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.080 you know, enough to fill about twenty five minutes. Then 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.280 they opened it up for the opponents. The opponents there 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.440 were so many of them that the meeting went on 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.120 into four am assult ultimately, and this is a small town, 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.600 right and ultimately the town council is like, okay, yeah, 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.680 we're not going to do this. And so you are 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.120 seeing this huge backlash and a lot of these data 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.400 centers are being located in red states and red areas 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.480 because rural areas have more and rural areas tend to 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.479 be more Republican. Let's go and put G two up 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.239 on the screen. This was a fantastic report from the 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.560 Financial Times. They say Donald Trump's AI push fuel's revolt 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.479 in MAGA heartlands. On a cold Tuesday evening last week, 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:17.520 about two hundred Missourians, Missouri being another hotbed of AI 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.760 development and also backlash, crammed into a Methodist church to 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.880 share a message. The AI revolution embraced by Trump's White 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.040 House did not have their unqualified support. 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:26.840 Quote. 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.800 I voted for this administration and didn't really think about 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.680 AI until it started to affect me, said Lisa Garrett, 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.360 who lives beside the site of a rapidly greenlit six 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.400 point six billion dollars four hundred acre data center development 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.440 in the satellite city of Independence, just east of Kansas City. 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.680 A worker for a local ministry, Garrett's Onneyes extends beyond 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.600 the project's demand on local water and electricity supplies, to 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.200 the broader social impact of the industry it is being 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.720 built to support. I have grandchildren. It does concern me 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.400 that they're being drawn into a world that isn't real, 0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.880 she said. Her concerns, which pull after poll has shown 0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:02.239 her shared by much of Trump's space, are increasingly at 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:06.160 odds with the posture and policies of his administration. And actually, Sager, 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.200 I mean it is very like cross partisan the concerns 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.480 here about data centers in particular. But the recent pulling 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.600 that I saw show showed that the concerns were actually 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.520 higher on the right for reasons that you can understand, 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.919 because there tends to be more you know, more of 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.680 a rural base, more concern about, okay, what is this 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.040 community going to be, and more like sort of like 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.719 this rootedness in a certain place and so and more 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.680 quote unquote conservative views of like we aren't we are 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.920 a little wary of change. We don't necessarily want the 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.719 world to be turned upside down, not just in our 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.920 local community, but by whatever this means. So, you know, 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.640 I think this is one of the important fights as 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.520 we contemplate what AI is going to mean for our 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.480 social contract, and one of the places where you can 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.920 sort of like you know, throw sand in the gears 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.680 and at least slow the process down so that there 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.200 is more of a chance for democracy to be able. 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:56.520 To catch up. 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:56.759 Yeah. 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.920 I just think it's amazing, Like they're literally organic movements, 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.440 people with their children, no data center, because again, everyone 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.719 can feel this encroachment in their lives, especially if you 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.960 have a child. So there's all these viral threads that 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.520 are going around now about Spotify. For example, someone was like, 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.920 you know, I'm so careful I don't allow video, and 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.280 then what ended up happening is I gave my kids 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.240 access to my Spotify account, but now Spotify is including 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.920 music videos and it was like a workaround, and he's like, 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.359 now I have to take Spotify away from it. It's 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.239 like at every level you have parents who are bombarded 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.360 doing everything they possibly can, having to pay attention to 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.799 like every facet of modern life. More recently, you know 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.600 how they would give out chromebooks or computers. You have 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:41.759 teachers or you have parents who are turning them in. 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.640 They're like, I can't have my children on this. They're 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.279 using it as a workaround their screen time and all this. 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.799 They're demanding that schools go back to paper because they're like, 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.600 we have to just get rid of all this technology. 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.520 Nothing's good coming from this is rotting my child's brain. 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.799 And then you put the AI data center stuff into this, 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:00.879 and then you have to look at the promise. What 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:05.000 are we getting more claud agents that might like automate 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.960 all the jobs, or more slop that children can watch 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:13.080 on YouTube or YouTube shorts more. You know, now there's 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.279 all these new AI movies that people are competing for. 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.160 Everyone's like the bargain is not worth it. Higher electricity 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.680 price and trying to take my job, which you increasingly 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.640 brag about, and then general also just like propping up 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.239 a sham stock market all at the same time, it's 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.640 just is ridiculous. On top of corrupting a local community 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.919 energy usage power bills it's all about control. And yeah, 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.279 the most conservative impulse of all time is to like 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.320 the famous line is like stand thwart history and yell stop, 0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.120 and like that's how a lot of people feel right now. 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:43.320 I feel like the way right now. 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.319 I feel that way because listen, you know, I think 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:47.680 the technology is cool. 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.720 Like I've been playing around with Claude. 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:54.279 I think the advances over the past year, the more 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.600 I dig into it, the more I realize is genuinely extraordinary. 0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:59.360 You know, the things you're able to feed in the 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.520 hallucination have been diminished, the level the ability this part 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.160 I haven't been able to figure out yet. But you know, 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.399 you hear people who are not technical people or able 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.279 to just go and like create an app and it 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.480 doesn't even take very long and Claude spins it out 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:14.080 in a few minutes. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.319 This is something. This is astonishing. 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.440 And if it was, if the ownership was done correctly 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.600 and the democratic control was done correctly, you can't imagine, 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.000 you know, a society that was not structured like ours, 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.920 where this would just be beneficial, where it would just 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:30.960 be exciting and we would figure out how to manage 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.000 the resources. I mean, the other risk that some of 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.080 the community members in Indiana we're talking about is they're like, 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.960 they're like, we looked into this and there are a 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.919 lot of models coming out of China that are much 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.920 less resource intensive. So you're going to build all of 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.040 these data centers out are they even going to be 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.040 needed in the future as these things become more and 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:50.800 more efficient? 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:52.040 So even that, you. 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.480 Know, and then we're left with this big hulking, you know, 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.920 decaying husk in our community. 0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:58.400 And what does that ultimately look like? 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.879 So in any case, you know, we we would need 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.319 to have massive democratic input on the resource usage, on 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.760 the you know, capital expenditure, on how this is deployed, 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.480 on how it is used, all on you know, how 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:15.600 the how the fruits of this alleged productivity gains are 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.040 going to be distributed. I mean, that's like the essential 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.240 question in my view. But obviously we don't have any 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.480 of that, which is why again I think these fights 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.440 against data centers on a local basis, like that is 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.600 the most likely place where you can have any sort 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:33.480 of pushback, any sort of slow down in terms of 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.440 this development, because in terms of you know, from this 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.239 administration's perspective, it's just off to the races, and you know, 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:43.399 the dystopian parts of this are becoming are increasingly here. 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.560 Let's put G three up on the screen. We covered 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:46.120 this before. 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:49.759 There's this fight between Anthropic and the Pentagon where they're 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.880 threatening to cut off Anthropic in what is being described 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.560 here as an AI safeguards dispute, and the TLDR is 0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.600 that the Anthropic people got concerned about the way that 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.080 Claude was used in the Venezuela rate. Now they have 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.960 some sort of partnership with Palenteer and Claude and Anthropics 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:12.320 products are generally more advanced in terms of government application, 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.200 so they have a big contract with the Pentagon, and 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.440 they're saying to the Pentagon, look, we have two red lines. 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.640 Number one, we don't want Claude to be used in 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.799 any sort of like autonomous killer robots, and number two, 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:27.240 we don't want to be used for mass surveillance against 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.040 American people. Now, I'm not sure why you have this 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.880 tie up with Palenteer if you have these concerns, but 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.040 that's where they're trying to draw a line. The other 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.839 AI companies do not have such moral red lines, and 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:40.839 I don't want to give Anthropic too much credit here. 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.600 Because I think it's incredibly, incredibly naive to think that 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:46.680 you would be able to hold the line on these 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.960 things and you as individual like business owner or capitalists, 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.080 are going to be able to tell the Department of 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:57.719 War and the United States government how your technology gets deployed. Like, 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.759 I think that was a very fanciful notion, but you 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.680 can see how already the Pentagon's like, no, we're not 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.640 going to listen to you. Not only are we not 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.600 going to abide by your little, your little moral red 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.120 lines against killer robots and mass surveillance, but we are 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.799 going to punish any company that does work with you 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.000 because you have the audacity to even try to put 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.440 any sort of red line on how your technology can 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.960 be deployed. So you know, there was Eric Schmidt, former 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.440 CEO of Google. He was talking about a year ago 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.560 saying that, you know, one of the things that all 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.399 the AI CEOs were basically in agreement with is if 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.160 this starts getting deployed and killer robots, they would pull 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.759 the plug. But what you realize is like you don't 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:42.759 actually have the ability to pull the plug even if 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.360 you wanted to then, and already they've all abandoned that 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:47.640 and like eh, well maybe killer Robert robots or okay, 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:49.960 maybe it's fine, no big deal, we could work around it. 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.440 But even if they did hold to their moral standards, 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:57.320 once that technology gets out, once the Pentagon has access 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.640 to it, like you're so cute to think that you're 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:01.480 going to be the one in charge to be able 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:02.160 to pull the plug on. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.000 Yeah, it's always been like that. Is that once you 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.719 unleash the technology, once people get normalized, so we can 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:08.880 get open source, they can work from it, the government 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.080 can use however they want. This is the big danger 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.120 in all of this for defense technology. And ultimately, like 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.080 maybe you know, it's never really solvable, Like once the 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.640 tech exists, it will always be used for the lowest 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.480 common denominator, Like there's just no really way around it. 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.360 It's basically always been that way war often like blood, 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.160 is that the only thing that moves the wheels of history. 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.040 Let's put G four up there on the screen just 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:36.000 to give an example here. SpaceX is now going to 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:41.320 compete in the contest for autonomous drone technology and this 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:46.640 is the next frontier, you know, drone swarms and competition 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:51.320 for AI targeting and then who will build the targeting software, 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.080 and there's always one company that's going to be willing 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.319 to play ball and to make money. So there's really 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.080 no way around this. And also there's a competitor aspect. 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.720 China has been heavily invested in drones and drone swarms, 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.320 and it's often been like one of the dangers you know, 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.399 for some of these bigger US carriers and US Navy 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:13.200 destroyers or US Navy, US Navy vessels, that one of 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.239 the pain points that they see. And so then the 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.440 US says, well, well, now we need to create our 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.960 own drone technology, our own counter drone technology. This is 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.520 the danger, this in this entire thing, and we know this. 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.279 It will be used to some effect. They already used 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.040 Claude with Venezuela. We may be going to a major 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.880 war with Iran. There's going to be a ton of 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:33.120 AI whenever it comes in. 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.960 And we know how it was deployed in Gaza in 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.560 Palestine and the way it is deployed, you know, also 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.680 in the West Bank and a lot of ways. Gaza 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:46.040 is the testing ground for mass surveillance. You Palenteer, Microsoft, 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.360 like a bunch of these companies been caught involved in 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:52.000 the Gaza genocide. And so that has been the testing ground. 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.160 I think that helped you accelerate the incredibly dystopian place 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:56.960 that we're in. The last thing I'll say I was 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.560 Novar Media had a good, a good piece on this, 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.839 and they were saying, you know, when when scientists were 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.160 building the you know, we're developing nuclear weapons, like you 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.799 know Oppenheimer, they were not so foolish as to think 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:12.719 that they, as the developers and creators of this technology, 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:14.680 we're then going to get to tell the government how 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:15.400 it gets deployed. 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.280 Well, actually Oppenheimer was foolish enough. 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.040 To think that, but a lot of the well take 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:19.279 it out. 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:20.960 But I mean he I think he knew at the 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:22.480 end of the day, the President of the United States 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:24.640 is going to say how this is used, not me, right, 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.279 and so he made his case. But you know, I 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.759 don't think they they thought that, like, oh, we're going 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.839 to get to control how this is, how and when 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.600 and wherever. Now, many of them organized afterwards to try 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.960 to you know, check nuclear proliferation and try to check 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.600 the use and spread in advance of this technology, but 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:44.120 there was a much clearer understanding of like, no, we're 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.320 developing this for the US government, and they're going to 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.880 get to have to say over what comes. And I 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:55.160 you know, because we've lived in this like free market 0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.120 capitalists sort of like delusion where government just cedes control 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.640 to listen too markets. I think these guys did delude 0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.360 themselves into thinking like we're going to get to figure 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:08.720 out how this is deployed, and it's like it doesn't 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.359 work that way. So you know, when you did your 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.239 tie up with the Pentagon, and now you want to 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.359 set a moral red line, and I think they did 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.799 have that red line from the beginning. You know, you're 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:20.960 a fool if you think that they're going to abide 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.360 by what you want. They see themselves as in this 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:25.680 race with China and they're going to win at all costs, 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:26.960 at all costs. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.839 And I'm look, war with Iran. Who knows how it's 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.680 going to go con spiral. It could go into this, 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:33.799 go into that next thing. You know, these things are 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.520 going to get nationalized, the Defense Production Act, your data 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.680 centers and all that will be seized and be put 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.800 to ford. I mean that can happen like this. You 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.799 know in wartime, go read a book about World War two. 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.120 Look how quickly you went from private industry to literally 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:50.279 the War production board managing with the Ford Factory is 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:51.600 plumbing out what you think? They're not going to do 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:54.239 that with AI and with everything else. If things get 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.120 truly existential, the laws already on the books. They have 0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:00.279 monarchical powers if they want to. You're right, this is 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.440 deeply naive. All right, Thank you guys so much for watching. 0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.680 We appreciate it. 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