WEBVTT - QLS Classic: John Oliver 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:00.720 Of Course. 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.720 Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.040 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.960 Yo Yo, what up, y'all? This is Fante giving you 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.440 this week's classic episode of QLs. On this one's comedian 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:16.599 producer and late. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.520 Night old John Oliver talks about the craft and being funny, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.480 the challenges of political commentary and being timed about it. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.959 What he's thinking about when he brushes his teeth. That 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.240 was way too much information, and that time he pissed 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:30.120 off a real. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.159 Life war and I remember this after ships. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.080 Why this episode seventy one from February fourteen to twenty eighteen. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.520 This was one times man, y'all check it out. Feel 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.920 Les classic John Oliver fun to look Yessar. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:59.720 Supremo Sun Supremo roll call Supprimo Sun Sun Supremo role, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:07.520 Suprema son son Supremo role called Suprema son son Supremo role. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.200 I don't believe in the handouts, yeah, quest bags or gimmes. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.120 Yeah, but I ask you, John Oliver, Yeah. 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:15.200 Recuse her something. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:23.400 Brema so supremo role called Suprema Supremo role. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:23.760 Call. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.720 My name is Spante. 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Yeah, not trunk 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.519 quite yet. Yeah, get John out. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:43.680 Of Supreme Supremo roll card. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.480 My name is John. Yeah to your good day. Yeah, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.360 you made this room smell like chick fil like. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.280 Supremo role. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:11.079 I'm gonna take a bite of sandwich brevava. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:09.799 Chick fil A. 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.320 Yeah, Boss Bills, since you mentioned food, can we eat 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.120 while we talk? Homophobia never tasted so delicious. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:19.799 That's your best line ever. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:26.239 That should be their new tag man, Homophobia. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.040 Never takes delicious. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.880 Come hats each with us. You still have not given up. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.720 Hell no, I haven't eaten it in a long time 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:40.120 actually for health reasons, but I mean not no, for Mara. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.040 Stood wait, I should have solidarity for like a year 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.400 and a half. And then black Twitter told me that 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.240 now we're still eating Chick fil A. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.680 Look for the summertime when the frozen lemonade come out. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:53.560 Yeah. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.720 Twitter, frozen lemonade and the h and they lemonade like 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.560 just they in the in the peach that peach shakes, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:01.240 Oh yes, and the. 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.560 Peach shake with the peach chunks in it only comes out. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.440 Yeah, you gotta get on it. You gotta get on 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.080 the melon list for that, like, wait, there's Chick fil 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:10.520 a melon. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.040 I mean you get there. Let you know, like the 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:17.919 new Snacks is about to drop. What's I'm waiting. I'm waiting, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.240 you know what, I get it. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.280 You get to w just so I know, because there's 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.320 one here because New York City, and yes, I know, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:27.640 I haven't introduced our guests yet. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.040 We got more important issues at hand New York City. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.280 New York City only has what three chick fil A's right, Yes, 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.719 the n y U campus and the one that's Matan 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.000 there's another one, so are there still lines around the block, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.640 because when I used to do it to the Tonight 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.560 show that they used to it was like. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.640 Waiting for it that you're looking at because he's like 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.440 the Chick fil A crazy that's his. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:05:00.120 Boss Bill, he did, Okay, it's you. I'm more I'm 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.920 working the rules today. Yeah, our guest today is the 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:04.880 hell of a comedian. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.560 Uh. Time magazine has called him the comic agent of change. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:09.320 Uh. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.320 He's been in the game for twenty plus years. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.400 He came to of course, national attention as the British 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.560 correspondent on The Daily Show with John Stewart in two 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.520 thousand and six, and he hosted his own called Classic 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.840 Bugle Podcasts with Andy's Alten in two thousand and seven. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.200 He was also the professor of one of my all 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:35.720 time favorite comedies Community Yeah with uh Boss Bill's. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.279 Favorite's favorite artist, Donald Glove exactly. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.479 But you know, he's now best known as the figure 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.080 we turned to for absolute sanity in this in this 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.120 upside down world that we live in. 0:05:49.839 --> 0:06:01.800 His Last Week Tonight six Emmys winning sends me straight 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:09.599 on those point. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.760 I'm never going to see an I mean, I get 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.920 it is last week Tonight on HBO continues to fight 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.200 the powers that be with the most skating commentary this time. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.200 Yeah man, he fights a power. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:25.800 one and only John Oliver. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:30.880 Tasty chup d. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:39.960 So you know, well, I want I gotta ask how exhausting. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:41.120 Is it? 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:42.880 Wow? 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.080 It is not a great sign when you of anyone. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.360 It's pretty bad. I'm not gonna like to you. It's 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.599 pretty mentally, emotionally and even physically exhausting, right, because if 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.800 you're tense all the time, you know, chess players say 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:01.840 they but a lot of calories, and you think that 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.560 can't possibly be true, But apparently it's the nerves and 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.360 the concentration. So it's that I feel like I'm in 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.440 I mean, either really good shape or I'm about to die. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.040 Do you think, well, I do, just mean just in general, 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.000 it's like, well, I know, I mean, obviously comedy has 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.720 to be a love of yours or first love. But 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.960 it's almost like now that you're stuck with here with 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:33.040 us in America, you're almost you're you're our go to, Like, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.360 is there pressure for you too? In a clear and 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:42.800 concise way to filter the fears and the and the 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.440 and the and the concerns that we don't have because 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.200 we don't have the platform that you have that. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.640 You I guess, well, that's well, yeah, I mean it's 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.800 always it's pressure on pressure, right with with any job, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.600 you kind of want to put yourself under the maxim 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.400 amount of pressure because you want to, like you want 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.040 to earn the position that you're in now, particularly with 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.360 HBO on a Sunday when I'm about to put you 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.760 to sleep like an unlicensed anaesthetist. That's that comes with 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.960 a lot of privilege, right because I get to say 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.360 whatever I want about whatever I want, so I don't 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:23.280 have to I don't have commercial pressures, we don't have advertisers. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.160 I can talk for a long time. There's no one's 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:25.920 telling me what to do. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:27.120 So that is. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.080 That is a I don't take that lightly. I get 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.079 that I'm lucky to have the platform that I have, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.079 so I try and use that. So we take big swings, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.439 and you know, one of these days will take a 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.439 swing too big and it will all be over. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:49.760 But I'd rather swinging than board. Absolutely, Can I go ahead? 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.679 Is there anybody saying that there's any limitations on what 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.720 you see? Like I I meant the worst possible thing 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.360 you could say that, you know, just without backing it up. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:08:59.880 I don't know. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.360 No, we've got to back it up. We have lawyers 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.680 and HBO as lawyers, so we have to back up 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.120 everything that we say otherwise we're in serious shit. So no, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.880 that's that's why we work so hard to make sure 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.319 that everything has a factual basis to it. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:15.400 Otherwise it's over. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.640 So there is no list though this is there is 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.439 no you know, Carlin list. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.640 Or no, there shouldn't be though because it's HBO, so 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.520 they shouldn't have that list. Or if they have that list, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.439 they shouldn't tell me about it. I'm sure they have. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.679 Maybe they do have people saying we don't want him 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.920 to talk about that, but that should never be communicated 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:31.160 to me. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.080 A crazy question, But have you ever faced resistance since 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.920 you know you're speaking on US and world issues, but 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.960 you know from in your British I. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.880 Mean, I've lived here for eleven years, so this is 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.160 my home right. I've got I've got an American wife, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.040 and i have an American son. I have an America. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.560 It's a very imperial way to say I have. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:53.680 I have an American. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:10:02.440 I've made an American I will make more uh so army, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.920 I don't. I mean, I kind of I slightly resent 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:10.559 whenever people say you're not from here. That's a dangerous 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.520 road to go down because I've been here for eleven years. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.240 It's my home. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.560 I have some skin in the game, so I kind 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.920 of call bullshit on that idea. I'm here because I 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.400 love it, Like after this show, I'll stay here. I've 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.160 chosen this country as my home so and I've chosen 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.920 it as my home now. So this is falling in 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.040 love with someone not at their best. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.839 Right, That's true love. So you were you were born 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.959 in the UK? Correct? Yeah, we'll part. I was born 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.079 in Birmingham. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.680 My family is from Liverpool and I was raised in Bedford, 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.000 just about an hour north of London. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.920 All right, So for those that aren't, because you know 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.960 a lot of thiss, just think UK, oh London. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.719 Yeah, like is there? What's what's the main difference? Like 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.079 you know for us, you know New York is different 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.880 from Tennessee or you know, man Tianna. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.439 I can give you some parallels. Right, Liverpool probably, you know, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:14.120 once a strong industrial town, the industry died of the 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.080 shipping industry, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, maybe Detroit, Troit big music history, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.840 you got Detroit, Birmingham, Birmingham would be you Pittsburgh. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.199 Oh okay, okay, what was the industry in Birmingham? 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.079 What was it was? 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:29.719 It was? 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:33.800 I think it was a lot of factory I can't 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.839 actually remember what it was. I was only there for 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.959 six years. That was there for the first six years 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.480 of my life. So yeah, I don't know what. I 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.240 can't think of what the exact one was. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.560 Okay, So you you. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.640 Bedford is now north of London, so that would be Jersey. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.480 You're in some version of a large town. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.000 In Jersey there. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.319 Yeah, I'd lived there for like maybe three years, so 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:03.320 I only know you were in London. Yeah, uh, Kinnish town. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.000 Okay, I was South I lived in like around the 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.840 Brixton tells Hial Crystal Crystal Palace. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:13.480 Whoa, yeah, you were in the hood. Wait what why not? 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.040 Why I've never No, No, I just never heard white. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:22.880 The most racist thing? What absolute animals down there? 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.559 No, I'm just saying that, No, I know of no 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.240 white person that's like, yo, I represent South London Like 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.520 that would be why you told me that you grew 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.360 up fifteen thirty Sedway Avenue. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:39.719 I don't know. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.959 I think it's that's just where my friends were. So 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.600 also it was affordable, you know, because a struggling comedian 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.640 you're probably going to go to some of the cheaper 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.760 areas of London. So now I loved it down there, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.360 so I stayed. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.920 When did you what was your interesting comedy? 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.839 Because usually with with is there a worship like the 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:03.439 worship that we have for I guess the go to stuff. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:08.319 I mean Benny Hill and Faulty Towers and wow, you 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:09.200 just you just. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.840 But oh boy, yeah, you know Vanilla Ice, ice Cube 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.679 guys that do the same thing. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.119 No, but it's almost like the sign of higher intelligence 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.360 in America is saying that you watch British comedy on PBS, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.040 like I watched Faulty Towers, I watched Money Python, and 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:31.640 I mean all of us just have. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.960 We there's a worship in America for Benny Hill. That's 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.640 like probably to you that. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:43.199 Was yeah, but yeah, I mean what he was he 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.920 was bigger here than he was in Britain. Yeah, he 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.280 was more like an embarrassing export than he was. I 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.839 think in Britain might say the same about me, But 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.040 Benny Hill. Yeah, Benny Hill was not. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.200 He was not that popular in England. He was popular 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.439 because they're sure titties on. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.760 Yeah they were, they were, and that was the apex 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.720 of comedy in mister Hill's mind. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.320 He was. He died. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.360 He died very rich in a small house. I think 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.160 he was surrounded by money that he hid everywhere. He 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:16.120 was a strange man. His his chasing of topless women 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.800 around in nuns outfits was not the weirdest side of. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.560 His The fact that he hoarded his money. Yeah, he 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.640 was a He was a weird guy. Yeah he did. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.120 That's what I remember he did. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.720 But that's you're not You're not bolstering his comedic credentials. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.480 I'm not saying he was funny. I'm saying he did 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:36.800 show dem tatars. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.240 So for you, what was high level of British comedy 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.480 that Americans might have been up born. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.720 When I was going up The most influential figure was 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:52.120 Chris Morrison and armandoin Ucci. Amanucci who produced partries The 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.600 Day to Day on the Hour, which is a radio show. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.040 He's vep is his show over here. That would be 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.800 what Americas know him from what he'd did a Friday 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:03.960 night and Saturday Night Armistice. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:04.280 He was. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.360 He was kind of the north star of comedy for 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.520 my generation, Amando Nucci. He was an amazing right round producer. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.000 So when did you decide that you wanted to get 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.920 into comedy? Were you class clown? 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.800 And then I was, yeah, I could, I could talk ship. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.760 And then if you get if you if you think 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.080 that it might be possible to talk shit professionally, you 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.040 take that chance. But I did it at college. I 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.240 met a guy called Richard Iouardi and we wrote a 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:37.400 lot of that comedy together at college. And it was 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.680 after doing a couple of like two man shows with 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.480 him on our own that I thought I probably it 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.440 was just such a rush. I thought, I'm probably gonna 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.720 want to do this forever. Whether I'm good at it 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.520 or whether that leads to a dignified life is very much. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.280 You know, we'll see, But I knew I wanted to 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:56.840 do it forever. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.120 How did you feed yourself in the bad. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.320 Just not not with any kind of nutritional balance. Yeah, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.560 the first years of doing comedy you're kind of rough 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.520 but exhilarating because you're kind of learning to do something 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.400 that you can't do yet. But there's nothing like a 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.280 learning curve, right, There's nothing more exciting than a really 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.240 steep learning curve. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.960 Was your family supportive of this decision? 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.960 I actually did want you to go to school, And no, 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.000 I think they were, they were, they were. I was 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.440 very lucky they were pretty supportive of it. My uncle 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.560 was a composer, so I think they had they had 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.880 a sense of that someone could do something you couldn't 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.200 even fathom for a career and make a decent life 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.480 out of it. So I think he ended up giving 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:44.800 me a bit of a cover fire. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.880 So was it a matter of you wanting to match 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.520 like growing up? Who was your like? 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:52.920 For us? 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.680 In America, especially in the eighties, like Eddie Murphy was 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.520 the apex of you know, I mean he was Michael 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.920 Jackson because he reached white and black audiences, you know, 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.560 at the same time. I mean, I guess Richard Pryor 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.240 for more or less in the seventies older. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:15.480 But like, I just don't I don't know what if 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.119 American comedy was looked down upon, I don't know how 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.280 much Eddie Murphy's presence was over in the UK or 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:23.439 in Europe for that much. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.120 Not as much. I guess his movies work. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.000 In terms of in comedy, Richard Pryor was you know, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.879 still seeing as this is the greatest stand up who's 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:36.520 probably ever done it. So yeah, there's no one's ever 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.960 been as good as Richard Pryor. So there were box 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.080 sets that you could kind of make your way through, 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.320 and I was pretty obsessed with him. In England in 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.920 terms of voices, you might not know, Peter Cook was 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.560 this guy. He was Dudley Moore's performing partner for a 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.119 while and Peter Cook was about as funny as you 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.800 can possibly get. He had funny, funny bones, and so 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.960 he was a kind of national icon. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.720 Do you still see comedy or now today? 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.080 Of course with YouTube and the internet just sort of 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.959 nationalizing everything where a person can now go to furthest 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.760 parts of the world and make a living. I never 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.360 saw like to me, it was a big deal when 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.400 at least in the early arts, when Chris Rock's like, yeah, 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.920 I'm gonna go tour England, is that even possible? 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:26.880 Or even when. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.199 Richard what's his name, Billy Crystal, then we do, uh 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.240 he did like a month in Russia. I believe that 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.399 was Billy Crystal. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.840 I remember, I remember who man who was that. I 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.280 thought it was Billy Crystal. I feel like it might 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.320 have been Robin Williams or Robin It. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:43.359 Might have been comic Relief. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.639 No it was, it wasn't comic relief, but just the 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.160 point that it was it was regional. Yeah, like we're 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:57.160 how easy was it for? At least I can see people. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.840 From all parts of the world coming to America because 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.639 it's a melting pot, or the idea of the melting 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:06.280 pat But where American comedians ever. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:11.560 Like in Yeah, because the economics of comedy in England 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.879 is slightly easier. There's a lot of claes. It's relatively 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.919 easy to make a living as a stand up. There 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.160 was when I was there, there was like ninety clubs 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.719 in London alone. Now sometimes that is just like an 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.840 evening in the in the roof of a pub, but 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.280 you could still make money from that. The idea was 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.880 that you would pay comedians, so I think American comedians 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.479 were pretty attracted that you could work every night all 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:40.639 the time. Also, nothing's that far in England, so you 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.679 can one of the furthest gigs away and you can 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.800 possibly drive to is probably going to be like six 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.920 or seven hours. It was crazy to me when I 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.320 first got here that you could fly for five hours 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.639 in a plane and land in the same country. That 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.320 scale is bananas to me. So in England you could 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.240 drive back from most gigs if you're willing to drive 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.600 back for a while. So the margins were just economically, 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.040 the margins were easier and you could work all the time, 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.680 so you would find rich Hall like he he moved 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.040 to England. He spent most of his time in London 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.360 because he realized he could make a career from live 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.600 comedy much much easier in England than he could in America. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:22.960 So he just put me on the game because I 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.000 thought it was the opposite. I thought like, oh, I 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.639 had to leave. You had to leave the UK to. 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:33.800 Make it's it's easier the kind of the grassroots of comedy. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.560 It's much easier to survive. It was in coming here 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.800 that I realized how difficult it was as I started, 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.320 like talking to Opening Apps. When I first started touring 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.680 the country just doing comedy clubs, you think, holy shit, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.720 it is hard to make a career here. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:48.320 Did you re lead difficult? 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.920 Did you cut your teeth in the American circuit in 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.760 or did you come here at like as John Alva 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.359 and finally make it like did you have to do 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.280 the There's something that Neil Brennan always jokes about with 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.480 like comedy condominiums, where he's like, that's the worst bit 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.280 I skip that. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.240 I got lucky, right because I didn't have to do 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.480 any of that. So I got to go straight to 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:19.200 headlining clubs, bad clubs, not without a full contingent of 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.000 people in them, and not necessarily people that were enjoying 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.840 what was coming out of my face. But those were 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.080 the only dudes that I played. The comedy condos I didn't. 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:30.760 Have to do. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.520 You know about the legend of comedy condos, I mean 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:38.119 it's the chilling circuit for comics where maybe if you 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:42.440 own a comedy club, instead of wasting money on hotels 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:43.520 and stuff. 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:45.119 You own a condominium. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.440 Or maybe there's if you own a comedy club, maybe 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.000 like the second or the third floor of the building 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.240 that you're in, you'll just transform it into a condominium. 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.640 But the whole point is that you know, night after 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:02.000 night after night, four new strangers are in that apartment, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.000 and I was like a hostile kind of. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.400 Take care of themselves and then think about how well 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.200 they take care of an apartment they don't. 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.560 Own, crashing kind of like revealed. 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.440 On board all the sheets nasty and yeah it's grim. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.880 Those those walls have have seen things. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.359 So it wasn't long. So how long in between you 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.320 doing that? And then the Ricky like Ricky Gervais is 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:27.399 like the reason that you're. 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.040 Well, no, i'd already So Ricky Gervas recommended me to 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.080 the Daily Show, and so I moved. I've not been 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.680 to America before I got the Daily Show job, so 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:40.160 so hence I got to skip key key steps, Key 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.600 does playing steps and headline clubs. Again, not well and 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.760 not full, but at least I was. It was clear 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.479 that I was making a living. It was only at 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.160 that point that I realized, Wow, to make this jump 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:53.080 is hard. 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.080 Did you notice that certain of your peers will feel 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.960 a certain way that you didn't have to stand in 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.920 that line like a guy like Okay, Now I'm gonna 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:11.920 start mentioning a guy like Louis Okay at the Comedy Celler. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.560 He's so revered and so loved because it's like, hey, 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.920 one of us, like one of us that lived in 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.840 this hellhole called the Comedy Seller finally got out and 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.040 you know made it and took us along with it. 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:24.840 You know. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:29.520 But then I'll see a figure in comedy that you know, 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.560 might have went from the fourth grade to high school 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.080 and they'll they'll feel a certain way about you know, 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.639 there were you treated different or no? 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:41.440 No, because I think you know, I just played my 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.840 dudes elsewhere. So yeah, I did an exchange student. Yeah exactly, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.560 I went through my version of shit. It's just a 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.720 version of ship that it wasn't in America. So that's 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:57.600 the the griminess was me like getting night buses back 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.320 from again, not being died on my office the back 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.480 of a pub. So yeah, I definitely feel like I 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:08.200 jumped the line here for sure. But I had my 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.399 fair share of failure in English. 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.760 Well okay, because we mostly have music guest on the show, 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.760 and you know, once in a while we'll have a 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:18.639 comedian and whatnot. 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.240 But I've always been curious. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:25.240 Because I feel that comedy is one of the hardest 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.639 forms of entertainment because you can't. 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.080 With me, I could do the same set. 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:35.000 I mean, yeah, the audience might get bored, but I 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.080 can do the same song they expect, the same song, Yeah, 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.760 whereas you can't do you have to constantly no. 0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:44.120 Although there was that great Richard Pryor a bit where 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:48.639 he talks about people mouthing along ye to bits that 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.840 he was doing and then getting mad if he changed 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.959 it at all. He just was saying, motherfucker didn't say 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.439 that on the album, right, But that is rare because 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:57.880 his standard was so great. 0:24:57.920 --> 0:24:59.200 It was like music, right you. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.640 Literally I would listen to those albums like I would 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.920 listen to a music album and look forward to something 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.520 that was coming, So you would your brain would be saying, oh, 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.480 I can't wait until he says this bit the way, 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.399 the perfect way that he says, the way his voice 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.120 sounds when he says it. That is not the case 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:16.520 with comedy generally, where it's like chewing gum. 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:18.359 So what's the general rhythm? 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:19.159 Uh? 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.040 And to take us back to your early comics, like 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:26.240 what's your general rhythm of preparation of seeing it a 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.120 testing a joke to see if it works? How long 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.600 do you let it stand in your repertoire before I. 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.200 Guess, like when you're first starting off, the key steps 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:35.639 you're going through. I don't know if this is the 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.479 same as for music. Right first, you're just learning how 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.920 not to humiliate yourself, because the reaction to comedy is 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:44.600 pretty binary, unluck with music, Like they're either laughing or 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.040 they're not, So there's no you can't really you can't 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.399 pretend things are going better than they are. So you 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.359 get a pretty good sense from an audience about whether 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.080 you've done the job that you were supposed to be 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.399 doing or not by the sounds coming out of their mouths. 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.840 So the first phase is can I do that? Can 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.680 I basically do this? Can I do I have the 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.680 mechanics in me to make somebody laugh. Once you've got that, 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.560 then you've got to decide, well, what do I actually 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.399 want to do with this? Like how what if I 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.920 can practically make people laugh, then what do I want 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.000 to make them laugh about? 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:21.480 Right? 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.360 What do you what's your voice? What's your comedic voice 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.360 really going to be? That's the thing that takes a while, 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:27.960 but that's the thing that's really satisfying. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.720 So was your voice always the same voice. 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:31.960 Or did it even it changed? 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:32.119 Right? 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.080 Because first you just it's like survival. Most you'll just 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:38.520 say anything you can to make the audience laugh because 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.400 what you're frightened off is the sound of your own footsteps. 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.840 As you leave the stage, what was your first like, yeah, 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:45.400 I got them? 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.399 Like do you remember like what it was like to 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.280 like in the first gig like that I ever did, 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.880 where just literally making people laugh for the first time 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.640 from something that came in your head. That's a moment 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.160 of going, oh shit, I got them. I just made 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.920 that noise myself. But the much more satisfying thing is 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.280 when you first do it with a degree of difficulty, 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.480 when you first realize that you're talking about something that 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.000 you want to talk about, that they might not want 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.200 to hear about, but you're making them laugh anyway. That 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.360 that is when it gets more exciting taboo elements. Yeah, 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.560 or just like it feels like again, if you're in 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:21.080 the back room of a pub and people are exhausted 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.119 because they've been working all week, and you want to 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.359 talk about something that they might not want to hear about, 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:29.000 then there is a degree of difficulty on that die. 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.480 It's like the Olympic dive, right, you're taking that you're 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.399 not just doing the straights. Oh, I'll make fun of 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.000 things that I know you're going to find funny, and 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.119 I'll enter the water and you'll throw out numbers. This 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.160 is like I'm deliberately making this hard for myself because 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.520 I want to make you laugh at something that you 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:44.800 wouldn't ordinarily do. 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.720 Do you ever, do you ever find yourself with a 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:48.359 challenge of. 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:55.440 Serving your audience versus serving your eight comedic peers that 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.040 might be in the back of the bar watching you. 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:58.520 Sure, like what. 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.960 Prevents you from doing your version of the Aristocrats? Just 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.640 to make those eight guys lad that you know the joke's. 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:06.919 Going to go over in the audience here. 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.720 I mean, look, ideally, if you get the if you 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.440 get the alchemy of it right, you're going to find 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.400 a way to play to your version of the back 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.200 of the room, but being more inclusive in it so 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.960 that because what comedians will generally laugh at is something 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:27.639 that you know might might be more difficult or that 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.840 an audience might miss, or they'll just laugh at you. 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:31.000 Like. 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:31.560 There was a gig. 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.880 There was a gig in Edinburgh, the Edinburgh Festivor, which 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.600 is amazing every every August that basically everyone in comedy 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.880 goes up to Edinburgh and it was called Late in Life. 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.200 It started at one in the morning and it was 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:45.880 a bare pit, a rough, rough room. So they would 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.080 when that audience turned on you. You they would tear 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.800 or tear comedians apart, and so there was a bar 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.080 downstairs with a feed of what was going on. And 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.000 you knew you were in trouble if you started seeing 0:28:58.040 --> 0:28:59.920 comedians like walk in at the back because they were 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.000 there to watch you die. 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.640 So it is how do you deal with hecklers? 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.840 And because you don't seem like the I'm not trying 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.560 to judge you, you don't seem like the dudeou be like, motherfucker, 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:15.680 I'll come down and be like. 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.480 You ever see the clip of the guy that like 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:23.640 has the guitar in his hand and he just over much. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.800 That is that is exactly how I behave motherfucker, I'm 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.480 going to smash your face. Hold on, let me go 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:35.240 get my guitar. You stay here, No, I mean, I 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.080 don't you know. I generally when I do gigs now, 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.840 it's generally theaters the people who come to see me. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.800 So heckling is within a certain range, right, So people 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.880 will shout stuff out, but it's I love you. That's 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.000 There's not There's not much you can do. 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:54.000 Play. 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.760 Free bird is a heckle that transcends industry. 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.880 It goes someone did that to his one that of roots, 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.760 what do you wish for? They knew, but well, I mean, 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:11.880 do you like prepare like ahead of time. 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:13.440 I'm like, okay, I got this one for this guy. 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.080 No, because again, there's probably two ways to do that. 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.200 At the start, you know, there's a there's a bunch 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.160 of lines that hack lines that you can use to 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.800 shut people down. And when you're starting off doing comedy, 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.719 you might just want to contain that situation right, because 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:31.120 it's just about trying to avoid bullets, whereas now it's 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.400 sometimes it's more fun like to be if you're a 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.640 bit more present in a room to try and engage 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.520 with what someone is trying to say. Again, the people 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.360 the things that get shadowed me are generally a little 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.480 more constructive. But also I'm slightly fascinated with the idea 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.440 of someone who would heckle. I would never heckle. 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:50.760 I don't have the balls to heckle. 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.960 And I know that sounds perverse from someone who is 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:54.760 standing on the state right now. 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.960 You just don't go against somebody with a microphone like 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.560 that's that's that's true, that's my thing. 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.000 I'm like, Also, I just wouldn't want that kind of 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.520 there's a lot of responsibility to shout out. 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.239 So you're saying that even in your world that you're 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.360 in now, a call out from the audience or a 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.840 disruption of your narrative is a yes. 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.760 I know. In what do you call it? An improud comedy, 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.480 everything is a yes and you just go with whatever. 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.320 I'm easily distracted when I'm doing stand up, so like, 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.840 if someone shouts out normally, well, what's this guy's deal? Wow, 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.600 what's he shouting at? And if he's angry, this can't 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.240 just be about me. It's clearly there are some other 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.920 things happening in his life that I'm becoming a lightning 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:35.320 rod for. 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:39.280 His frustration and hopefully rather than the security will eighty six. 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:41.240 Although yeah, I don't get that. 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:41.840 I don't know. 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.560 Maybe I don't attract rough enough crowds. 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:46.520 I was gonna say at this point, you know, the 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.800 trunk stragglers, they're not like coming to your show. 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:50.560 Although although I. 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.520 Did do have you ever done that? What's the odd 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.600 ball festival that I did? Jones Beach, It's it's pretty bad. 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.560 It's just a bunch of comedians doing outdoor gigs and 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.400 I've never done that before. It's an awful place to 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.360 do comedy, and there's too many people a comedy generally 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.600 haven't worked in that many years, and especially outdoors, so 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.000 it's you can risk playing to the lowest comedy denominator. 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:13.800 It's just kind of unite people that aren't there to 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.680 see you. So I did Jones Beach and there was 0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.720 definitely some Trump supporters there and I walked about half 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:25.120 that audience. That's eight thousand people. I walked four thousand people. Shit, 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:26.680 yeah really yeah? 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.280 So what did I feel like on today? 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.880 Like, it's kind of an amazing feeling because it's a 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.240 very stupid situation, right, you realize they're all going, and 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.680 you could see, because it's outdoor, you could see the 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.960 car park, you could see cars leaving. I could see 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.640 the tail lights leaving in the distance. So it's a 0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.520 pretty clear sense of this gig is not going very well. 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:47.280 But it was fun. 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:48.240 It was a lot of fun. 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:48.560 Damn. 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.440 I want to know who they came to see someone 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:51.920 before me? 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.720 I think, is where you are now in your life? 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.880 Is it more important than the search for the truth 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.400 or the funny? Are you still about like where's the funny? 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.440 Or is it just like I have to tell the 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:08.440 truth and the truth is just funny. 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:12.840 It's both like you should. You should because you know 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.560 the truth on its own. You're literally not a comedian, 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:16.600 then I don't know what you are. 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.600 Are you a poet? I don't know. That's not commedy. 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.640 You have to or do you still consider yourself a comedian? 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:24.600 Yeah, that's the only thing I consider myself. 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:32.520 Still, it's odd news for you, you transcended. I consider 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:33.719 you like a real reporter. 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:37.680 No, No, it's odd because sometimes that that question gets 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.800 phraised by some journalists as a compliment, I think, or 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.760 is it as what they perceived to be a compliment, 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.360 saying do you see yourself as just a comedian? And 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.840 there's a there says slight offense. I take to that 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:49.280 with not just a comedian. 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:49.960 That's my face. 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.240 I hold that to a very high level. That's my 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.440 favorite thing in the world to be. It's all I 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.880 ever wanted to be. I think just a comedian. 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:03.160 But I think comedy is you know, before really before 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.960 two thousand and seven. Okay, well, actually start with Bush. 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:10.200 So let's let's see the Clinton era. Let's say nineteen 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.279 ninety nine. I mean comedy. I figure it was more 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.719 of a thing that we went to escape and just 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.319 laugh and laugh and laugh and then get back to life, 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.919 whereas like now, you know, I can't wait to see 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.759 SNL's weekend update, and I can't wait to see what 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.640 Seth has to say, and I can't see your show 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.400 and Daily Show and Trevor. 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.480 It depends what you want it for, though, Like it's 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.600 still this comedy is escapism, but still there. There's still 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.799 great absurdist comedy. They're still just fun stand up around 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.920 Jim Gaffigan. It's still he's as funny. 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:42.680 As he's always been. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.560 Yeah, you don't go to him necessarily to have him 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.920 like explain the world to you just go for like 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:53.080 the release of like Guttural Laughs, So that still exists. 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.400 I think it's like the comedy stays the same, right, 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.520 It's just the world changes sometimes so that people are 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.840 wanting different things from it, but the sense of escapism 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.040 will always be there. Even I think there's a sense 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.560 of escapism even in the kind of things that my 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.160 show does, where you know, even though you're trying to 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.600 frame complicated subjects sometimes for people in a way that 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.319 they will learn something and laugh at it, you're also 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.160 trying to get to a sense of catharsis. So like 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:22.920 if you're unpacking the world, you're trying to have it 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.040 be a cathartic experience. If they're feeling terrible about something 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.400 they've just watched, laughing at it can be cathartic in 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.359 a way. So there is a sense of escapism even 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:32.400 without actually escaping. 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.400 But do you let people's perception of the show influence 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.359 to stand up? Because I wonder, like, do you feel 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.040 the pressure when you do your stand up to be 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:41.320 keep it political? 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.160 Keep it really because that's the beauty of stand up 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.480 is you can talk about whatever you want. You're completely 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:51.480 accountable to yourself, so it doesn't you have total control. 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:53.600 I don't know if you found like that, Like with 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.080 a DJ set, you can do whatever you want right, 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.160 You're making your own decisions and you live or die. 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.960 Boce it's it's harder to buy it the years go by, 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:07.200 my resistance to hold them hostage and see me as 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.680 the curator and the leader versus I really need their 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.840 love and adoration and approval. So I'm gonna play this 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:20.799 Migo song. It's it's by the year it becomes more 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.600 of a slow compromise where and that's my fear, Like 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.960 I don't want to be the old guy that yeah, 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:34.080 that just needs adoration and approval. So I'm gonna, you know, 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.759 but yeah, every every day I'm on like, you know, 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.840 blocks that I shouldn't be on before. 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:47.920 That sounds really healthy. It's always gonna be a balance, right, 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.279 isn't it between what you what you think, what the 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:52.880 audience has come for, and what you. 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:54.080 Want them to have come for. 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.640 Right, You're gonna there's gonna have to be a blend 0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:57.840 of that. 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.560 Well, yeah, but it's it's so hard now because I 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.360 think the way that life is now, everything is about 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:10.680 it's more gray matter as opposed to black versus white. 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.400 Like I used to think, you know, stuff that was 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:18.080 effective versus things that I personally like, and I just 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:22.160 happen to personally like things that aren't, you know, necessarily 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:26.320 that popular. But I'm also wise enough as a businessman 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.600 to know that I have to serve my audience. So 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.040 it's always again like, am I playing to the back 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.920 of the room to the comedians that are watching me? 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:39.840 Or am I playing to the audience that I you know, 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.920 I don't know what like it, I don't know if you. 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.320 I'm not saying if you value the intelligence of the 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.359 audience that you're seeing, I would think that you think 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.319 that if they're seeing you, that. 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.520 That's what's a little easier, because I guess when you 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.760 start stand up, what you're doing is basically inflicting yourself 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:02.120 upon an audience that ask for you. Right, So if 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:06.280 there's like five different comedians on, there's absolutely no reason 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:07.759 to expect that they're going to be on the same 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.680 page as you, Especially if you're taking like low percentage shots. 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.239 You're thinking, this is this is something I really want 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:14.680 to talk about. 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.160 You're probably not gonna want to hear about this, So 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.440 there's gonna be an element of friction there. Now when 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.920 you start to find your audience, like the benefit to 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.960 doing that. The upside of it is that if you 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.480 can just start growing your own audience and squeezing out 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.080 the people that are just not going to like it anyway, 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.960 then the lower percentage shots become hyper ses. 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:35.640 This is brilliant. 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.120 Where do you Where do you work out of because 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.160 in the club circuit a lot and I never really 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:44.480 see you. 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:46.440 I used to I used to bounce up all the time, 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.680 but now I've got a TV show and a family. 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.440 That's what I'm saying. And it's harder. 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:56.279 It is like, are you are you watching the is 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.760 it a Viking funeral? Slowly watching the boat of comedy? 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.640 That's going into your new life there? 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.719 That's that's the thing, because it's like, it's addictive. It's 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.279 the thing I love most in the world, right it's 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.480 and there is a there is a slightly there can 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.600 be a debilitating side to it as a lifestyle, especially 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.880 live comedy. So it's like, you know, it's it's like 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.000 if you if you liked Heroin and you thought, oh wow, 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.239 well this is really great. I'm going to devote my 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.480 life to this and be a really tremendous committed Heroin addict, 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:28.960 But I want to have a family. Am I going 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.400 to watch Heroin disappear at the distance. This may not 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:40.719 be the perfect analogy, but I get miserable if I 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.520 haven't done stand up for that long, So I try 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.160 and do it as often as I can. Even John Stewart, 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.440 while he was running The Daily Show, was trying to 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:48.920 get up. 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:50.440 He was trying to get up. 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.120 Every few months he would do a gig somewhere, not 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.239 because he needed to, but because. 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.800 He had to. He had to do it. And you 0:39:57.880 --> 0:39:58.680 know what you need to. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.120 Well you mean, do you need to just to stay 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.040 in shape? Yeah, right, yes you do because after you know, 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.319 the first gig back after a while is not good. 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.880 Like I did some gigs over over New Year, and 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.480 the first one I did up in Connecticut, remember walking 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.680 off stage going oh shit. 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.839 And was it the crowd? They weren't respondib No, they 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:22.239 were really. 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:26.080 But that's the problem, right, because when you get to ald, 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.080 you not this is a luxury problem, but it's a 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.919 real problem, right because if you you can get bad 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.120 at stand up real quick, when you get successful, you 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.840 can fail lovewards. Yeah, because you just you there is 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.800 so much good will you're on fumes from that audience 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.640 and you can kind of cycle downhill. And so yeah, 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.920 they were a really nice audience. I think they had 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.440 a really nice time. I wasn't good. I don't think 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:53.800 they noticed that, but but it's very important that I 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:54.440 noticed it. 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.319 Yeah, how can you tell you weren't good? 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.440 Like because you're not like it doesn't feel right, you're 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:03.319 not thinking fast enough, Like you're just a little bit off. 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.080 It's like like when the athletes come back and they 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.319 go and you like if you didn't know anybody got oh, 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.879 he played pretty well and they say there was half 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.800 a step yeah, or you like in football, like in 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.279 English football when they're when they'll just say he's just 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:21.080 half a step behind. This isn't quite right and it 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.520 feels the same way. The problem is if you if 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.680 you let, if you let an audience enjoying, you be 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.399 that your sole barometer, you can get bad. That's where 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.400 you see comedians get successful and then get not very 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:33.279 funny quick. 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.160 So how do you know when you're good because if 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.680 they're laughing regardless. 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.040 I guess it's like an internal You've got to have 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:44.759 that internal sense of what your own, your own sense 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:46.719 of quality control so that you can walk out of 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.960 a gig that's gone really well and think I was 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:53.360 bullshit there, or walk out of walk out of the 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.480 gig that's gone badly for them and thinking, eh, they 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:55.840 might be. 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.200 A little bit wrong. Do you have a Neil Brennan 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.000 or a Chris rack in your life? Neil and Chris Rocker, like. 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:06.879 The comedians go to disapproving dads. Yeah, like I've never 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:11.640 seen and I'm talking about top shelve. Established comedians will 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.640 always want those two to come to the show and 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:15.160 like borderline abuse them. 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:15.439 Yeah. 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:22.919 Anything, and this is Seppelle humor, like they they need 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.640 their two cents, just a yeah, you just want to 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:29.879 have someone those people in in your your your crew. 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:34.440 That definitely like for the for the show that I 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.840 write for HBO, that's that's all of us work together. 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.640 And then Tim Carvell and I who run the show. 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:48.439 He kind of he's very good at being a kind 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.880 of a comedic conscience to kind of that might be 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:53.799 a little cheap, you know you, I don't know if 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.439 you need to say that. For stand up it really 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:59.279 helps to have to have friends that you respect, who 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.799 you can Helle might roll their eyes at a joke 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.560 that just like did really well in the Laoides, going 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.960 ooh man, that's some low hanging fruit you just feasted on. 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.560 In my mind, is there like a group a supportive 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:17.279 group text between you because Bill Maher, I say Bill, 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:19.080 but he's a single man, so it's a little different 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:22.120 in that way. But Bill Maher, John Stewart, Steve Colbert 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:26.040 just being comedians the TV show Family Men, Like do 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.400 you guys help each other through these journeys? 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.520 It's a particular like the TV show thing. It's a 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:39.279 very particular job and that demands a certain amount of thing. Yeah, 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.040 and so you kind of end up having more in 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.080 common with people that you might not have a. 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.040 Lot in come with otherwise. 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:50.120 They're like John Stewart was a hugely important person obviously 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.600 in my life, and you know, Colbert I look up 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.880 to very much. They're not entirely peers. So, I mean 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.120 I text with Seth Meyers a lot because we did 0:43:58.160 --> 0:43:59.840 our shows around the same he was working for S 0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:03.200 and when I was working at The Daily Show, and 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.320 then we got our own shows at similar kinds of times. 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:08.880 We weirdly got married a similar times, had kids are 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:12.320 similar times. So yeah, there's I think we feel like 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.719 we probably have a fair sense of what each of 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.799 us going through, even if we don't know what each 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:17.680 other's doing that day. 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.439 Is there a difference between stand up funny and TV 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.120 show funny very different? Yeah, Okay, what's what's the difference? 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.839 It's like, are there jokes that you have and it's like, okay, 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:29.439 this was killing the club but on the show. 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.640 Yeah, that's yeah kind of. I mean, it's I guess 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.719 it's the way that you would write for me in particular, 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:39.560 Like our show is pretty tight, so there's not room 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.680 to make jokes breathe necessarily, and also especially for those 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.640 big stories that we do, the jokes are always in 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:49.680 service to a very focused story, whereas stand up can 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.000 be more erratic because you've got like an hour and 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.160 a half to talk about whatever you want at whatever 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:55.799 pace you want. 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.560 What do you think it is about foreign I'd use 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:03.759 that term loosely hood for comedians like particularly you and 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.960 another one of my favorite comedians, Jim Jefferies, Like, you 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:11.840 guys have the most biding commentary about you know, the 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:15.600 United States, and this ship makes so much sense? Is 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.640 it just I guess maybe kind of being an outsider 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:19.600 and li like, what the fuck is going on for it? 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.919 Like for comedians generally work better as outsiders anyway, they don't. 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.200 Most comedians that you love don't function particularly well in society. 0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.719 These are people. These aren't people I can find it 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.200 easy just being alive in regular cities. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.600 Were most well adjusted high school. 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.960 So so like having a sense of being an outsider 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.640 in life generally is a boon as a could be 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.520 as an aspiring comedian, Like if you're literally not from here, 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.520 if you're literally from outside the country. There's you already 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:53.399 have a different eye on things. Now For me, it's 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.879 like it's a blend again because I came here as 0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:00.960 a full on outsider. So when I was first, it 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:02.480 was definitely a sense of what the fuck. 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:02.919 Are you doing? 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.560 This is all crazy? Now it has shifted a little bit. 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.760 Right now it's what are we doing? It's not you anymore, 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:14.160 it's we because this is my home. So there is 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:20.440 still a sense of being an outsider, but it's honestly 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.440 less than it was. Right, I've got an immigrants crush 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:24.080 on this country. 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:25.560 I love it here, So. 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.600 Yeah, it's it's not It's not the same thing as 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:38.799 saying this place is ridiculous and laughing at it from 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.719 a distance. This is laughing at it from inside. 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.560 What was the most ridiculous thing like coming when you 0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:45.600 came here eleven years ago? 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.279 What was the most thing that you saw when you 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:49.959 first got here was like, what the fuck? 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:50.120 Like? 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:51.439 What was the biggest culture shot? 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.279 I went to a Walmart for the first time. I 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:59.560 couldn't believe how big it Walmart. Oh wow, I couldn't 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:03.640 believe referenced. I thought they were famously. 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.320 Warm English. 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.880 No I no, No, I thought, he said Warmart. I 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:13.640 was like, is this a new white supremacist? 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:20.440 Not necessarily not everything is a new white supremacist more 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:24.040 than it used to be, to be honest. What that's 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.200 the there there are still certain words as in the 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.359 English accent that slide by American ears. It's that it's 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:34.080 an odd it's an odd thing, like even with like 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.080 automately phone lines, sometimes I have to adopt an American 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.040 accent to make myself understood. So yeah, maybe Walmart is 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.719 one of them. Walmart I went to. I went to 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:48.800 a Walmart. It was just like so big. It was 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.040 just so big, and I remember the socks were so cheap. 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.080 I've never seen socks that cheap, and I was amazed 0:47:56.120 --> 0:48:00.959 and then immediately felt there's a problem here. It can't 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.080 be that cheap without people getting hurt. 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:05.920 You don't know the joy of life until you've been 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.600 into a twenty four hour Walmart super in the morning. 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.120 Yeah, that was my dream because it was after a 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.440 show that I've done something. So it's out of town, 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.520 I thought, I can I can buy any of this. 0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:20.480 It was. 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:22.720 Mind blowing. 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.640 Yeah, like all that choice for all but all the 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.400 bargains built on such human suffering. 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.040 A gun depending on what. 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.520 Yeah. Yeah, at three in the morning, no questions asked. 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:47.160 So can you explain, besides your actual name being in 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:54.880 the title, what were were the general differences between working 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:59.719 on The Daily Show with John Stewart and doing your 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:00.279 own show. 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:06.360 Well, I guess it's a Cosmetically it might look similar, 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.960 like again, the mechanics of it, it's very, very different. 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.080 So I knew how to. 0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.920 Work within that machine, especially because like when John left 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.040 for that summer, I kind of stepped stepped into his 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:17.480 shoes for. 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.200 A few months. Yeah, so I forgot I did. 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:24.160 I did a version of his job less well for 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.479 three months, so I kind of ran ish that show. 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.800 I ran it a little bit for that for that 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:30.319 few months. 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.680 Why are you chosen? Was I chosen? And was it 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:34.960 awkward for you to accept it? 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:35.719 No? 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.360 It was terrified because he called me and said, I 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.080 got that movie I've been working on. I'm going to 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:43.959 direct it. So I was kind of, oh, that's nice. 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.320 This this feels like something that I didn't see what 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:48.960 was coming, right, So that's an odd thing to decide 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.000 to call me. How many people you call it today? 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:52.759 And then he said so I'm going to be gone 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.000 for a few months, will you host the show? So 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:56.480 I just said yeah, I'll do whatever you want and 0:49:56.560 --> 0:50:00.560 then hung up the phone was sh So I just 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.880 said yes because I would just I say yes to 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.200 anything he ever asked me. But then I did not 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.239 think about what I just said yes to until I 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.279 put the phone down. So then I went to his 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.120 office the next morning and said, Hey, well you really 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.440 want to do this? Are you sure about this? 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:16.560 You mean, yeah, you'll be fine? 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:17.480 No? 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.239 No, my go with Samitha were you know? I mean? 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:24.840 But was it? Is it awkward being no? 0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:27.440 Because we were doing slightly different jobs, again than it 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.279 might have looked like. I was writing on the show 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:32.760 as well, so I was more embedded in every single 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.600 part of that show than the other correspondents were. So 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.759 I was there every minute of every day. So it 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.359 was it was a much easier transition for me than 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:45.640 it would have been for a correspondence one of the 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.279 other correspondents to do it. They would have all been 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:48.800 able to do it. It was just it was easier 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:49.040 for me. 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:53.560 I'm glad you said that, because having visited the Daily 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:58.040 Show a couple of times, that's one of the most 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.000 exhausting things I've ever witnessed. 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:09.480 Yeah, what is I mean, what's the process like for research? Like? 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:11.840 Because someone has to sit and watch. 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.040 Everything fast news for four hours a day just to 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:15.879 get that one sound? 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:16.840 How many someone? 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.440 So I can't speak to that show anymore because the 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:22.480 show that I worked for literally doesn't exist. And I 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:24.919 worked for John, So I don't know what Trevor's done 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:26.200 to change that process. 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.319 I know when you were there, when you were there, 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:30.680 when I was there, When I was there, there was 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.160 did interns have to sit and watch it? 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.200 Not so much interns, because it was there was a hole. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.560 By that point, there was a whole footage department that 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.360 we're looking at clips and that were presenting clips to 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.040 the writer's room early in the morning, and so you 0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.400 were kind of what those They had curated clips that 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:50.200 were interesting already, and so you were watching those together 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:52.319 and everyone's coming up with ideas, and then assignments would 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.960 go out and then you would have like one hour, 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:57.640 maybe an hour fifteen minutes to write your first draft. 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.200 There wasn't much margin for error in that day, right, 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.840 you miss a deadline at ten fifteen in the morning, 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.200 at eleven o'clock or at eleven thirty, you're in serious 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:11.400 shit at six o'clock. It was tight that process. I 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:13.120 don't know if that is that if they make it 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.719 exactly the same way now, but we the way it 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:17.800 was under John was that was a tight process. 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:21.120 So the way that I mean things were just as 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:25.359 crazy with the Abound administration, with the but to say boys, 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.000 the Trump administration. So what if something were to happen 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.000 at two or five pm and you still got that 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.480 four hour winter before the show starts and you know 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:35.560 it's going to be newsworthy? 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:37.160 Is it just how you can do a little bit, 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:39.800 but you've got four hour before the show starts, but 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.759 there's a lot of production that needs to happen to 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.560 make graphics, cut the soots, so that four hours gets 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.320 dissipated down real quick. So the rules just so you 0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.160 can make you can make changes to a certain extent. Again, 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:53.840 this is how it used to be. I don't know 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.839 if you're going to be on time for or more 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.279 or less on time for. When you start taping the show, 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.320 you know that there is a certain amount of changes 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:05.520 that you have budgeted in your time and in everyone 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:07.680 else's time that you can make because it's all cogs 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:09.800 in the machine, right, and you can screw someone asking 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.040 for something that they can't do in four cogs time. 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:16.160 So something say if the Daily Show were now and 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.640 say that Trump fire is more in at four pm 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.200 and you already have your show set, are you guys 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.000 just like okay, we'll deal with that on tomorrow's show. 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:31.640 That again, I don't know now, but then the practice 0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:35.520 then was that we would say something for two three 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:37.200 minutes at the start, and then John was sad, we'll. 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:37.800 Talk about it tomorrow. 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.200 Now the I think it's changed a little bit now 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:45.480 because the pace has increased so much that people want 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.360 stuff quicker. So we were making that show before Twitter, 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.839 so like there's there was a window which you haven't 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.479 seen all the jokes on it. It was interesting watching 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:56.399 the State of the Union last night. They're going live, 0:53:56.600 --> 0:54:01.760 so that finishes. Guess he finished pontificating at like ten thirty, 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.880 So they're like daily shows on it travels on at eleven, 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.040 seems on at eleven thirty five. You have not got 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.359 much time to digest that. And also you're still late 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.279 in a way because because there's a bunch of jokes 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.400 that have gone around while he was still talking. So 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.480 it's it's difficult. The pace of things have changed to 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:24.120 the point that I think the process that I was 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.960 involved in under John Stewart is slightly more arcane than 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:28.800 you would imagine. 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:33.040 Do you think your job would be easier if Hillary 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:34.760 hit won, if we had someone else and others? 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:35.279 It's the same. 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.120 It's the same, the pace of things. It's difficult in 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:38.719 a different way. 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:42.520 Okay, so fast forward to last week tonight. Now you 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:47.200 have a plethora of information of the pace is moving faster, 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:49.480 and you have to decide how what you can put 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:50.600 in this show in the week. 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:53.160 So for us now, those decisions are different because those 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:56.640 big stories that we do so basically from like after 0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:59.200 the first ten minutes what can sometimes be like twenty two, 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.080 twenty five five, sometimes over thirty minute stories. Those things 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.440 don't shift because those have been we've been working on 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:09.960 those for weeks and there is they've been you know, 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:14.560 been legally checked. Often they're irrelevant to the week as well. 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.759 It's just when I start talking about it, it's not like, oh, yeah, 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:22.320 I knew you were going to talk about diabetes medication. 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:24.200 No, it's dope. Usually just making us aware of something 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:25.319 that we haven't thought about or something. 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.160 Yeah, but the start of the show changes, right, So 0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:32.640 the kind of decision process that we go through in 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.840 our heads are like, if something crazy is happening on 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.799 a Monday or a Tuesday, we're not gonna let's all 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.480 those bones are going to be picked pretty clean of 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:44.800 meat by all the different shows and the concept of 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:47.600 jokes on Twitter. There's nothing really much that we can 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:53.680 add to that. If something happens at four o'clock, five 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.000 o'clock on a Thursday, that starts to change because then 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:02.000 you know, at that point, Steve Seth, Samantha's off, they can't. 0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:04.920 There's there's no that orfuls to us. So from that 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.680 point on Thursday five o'clock, any ship that goes down 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:10.600 is ship that we need to eat in process. 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:15.759 So for you, you hope that Thursday morning is just 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:18.839 a sweet spot for you to get the goods early. 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:22.080 Is it even important to get the goods early? Yeah, 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:23.759 because you're the king of the Mountain and. 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:26.240 It's Bill Mak's Bill Mark. 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:32.479 Counter Damn. 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:34.279 So the next question I was gonna ask doesn't mean 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:35.839 anything because I was gonna say this, Bill mar even 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:37.320 a factor because he's live on Friday. 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.880 No, it doesn't really make it. We do, we do 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:42.799 different things. It really doesn't make any difference at all. 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:44.760 So Okay. 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:51.640 Another good reason why I'm glad you're here is because 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:55.759 of the time that we live in now, especially with 0:56:55.960 --> 0:57:01.600 the orange laught of the me too movement is is uh, 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:07.799 for some shows, one of them I won't name, uh 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.440 you know, there there's like a checklist like, oh, this 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:13.480 guest can't come up on the show, this guest can't 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:14.239 come on the show, this. 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.040 Guest, you know, it's just like it's going to be awkward. 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:21.920 And even for this particular show, there's about three or 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.440 four guests that we were set to have on the 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.160 show that now it's going to be kind of awkward 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:31.200 because I don't know if I'm you know, at least, 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.400 I mean, this show is under two years old, so 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:38.120 I'm not I'm not at the fully confrontational point of like, okay, 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.000 pointing out white elephants that easily. 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.720 How hard was it? What was going through your mind 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:50.080 the morning that you had to interview Dustin Hoffmann? 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:55.280 So what yeah, my show, I don't those I haven't 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.120 aready thought about. Last guess is because we don't have guests. 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.040 So that's actually not something I've ever had to go through. 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:02.880 So and the only reason I bring that up is 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:07.040 it was that's what made that a different experience. So 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:09.960 they'd like, they did you. 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.560 Try to get out of it like, well, in a 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:14.320 sense I did. 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.280 And I offered them a chance for me not to 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.760 do it, because they'd ask me to do it months before. 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:21.880 I don't do many of those things. I don't think 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:27.000 I'm going to be doing many of them. But so 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:29.680 they said, here's that you want to do this like 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:33.360 the dog screen. I said fine. Then they said, oh, 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.600 Dustin Hoffin might be there. So I said to them, oh, okay, 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:39.960 if that's true, you might need to get someone else 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.040 because I would need to ask him about something, so 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:43.440 that's up to you. And they went, oh, I don't know, 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.959 I don't know, or maybe you know, maybe you won't 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:49.160 be there. Then I find out week of think we 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.160 think he's going to be there. So then again there's 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:56.320 the sense of okay, then it's you might need to 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:59.560 get someone else unless if you if you have a 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.480 problem with what I feel I would have to bring 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:06.600 up and they said, no, it'll be fine, And I 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:09.080 think I said that they like the publichers and no, 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.080 not the public like the it was the Tribeca Institute. 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.040 That's that's the that was the charity event there was 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:18.280 for it's the charitable branch of the Tribeca Film Festival. 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:23.320 So then we're kind of locked in. I could not 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:28.120 turn up just ghost the whole event. But that feels 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:34.280 like a pretty monumental act of cowardice. Uh So I knew, 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:38.960 So I just I did research. I thought about the 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:42.360 best way to have a conversation he'd already made. It 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:47.440 was one of those kind of bullshit pseudo apologies written 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:52.440 by a publicist, kind of de facto admission without quite cross. 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:56.680 The categorically deny. No, not not that I'm sorry, it 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:57.280 was the work. 0:59:57.360 --> 1:00:01.560 It was the sometimes the categorically deny. I kind of 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:02.800 got no problem with that's a point of. 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:05.240 View, right, But when I hear that, I know publicists 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:05.560 ruled it. 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.440 Oh sure, But at least then there was a firm 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.280 ground of I am going to this is I'm going 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.920 to die on this hill. It did not happen, right, 1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:17.520 his his his statement for the bubbles. It was more 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:21.000 I apologize to her if she felt upset. That's the 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:22.960 stuff that's that this does not reflect who I am. 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:28.840 That drives me nuts. So I wanted to unpick that statement, 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:32.840 and then ah, it's escalated from. 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:36.960 There, is it? Is it like all right? 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:41.320 You know, like that whole i'll see you after class 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:46.600 sort of thing, and you and you're like, you know, 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:49.920 is it was it that was your heart racing? Or 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:53.240 i'll see you after class? That's not a level of bravado. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.400 As a high school I capitulated in conversation it was 1:00:57.480 --> 1:00:58.920 if it was ever i'll see you after class that 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.320 you won't day in the classroom, I'll wake you out. 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.400 I'm not coming outside. I'll hide behind the teacher. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:09.000 But it could have gone either way, though the hands sweat? 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:09.280 How do you? 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:09.800 Oh? 1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:11.560 Yeah? How many horrible? 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.040 An hour? Was it an hour? Was it a ninety 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:16.120 minute thing? Like wouldn't you timement? 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:16.240 Like? 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:19.400 Okay, like forty five minutes? I'm gonna you know what, 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:20.640 that is a great question. 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:23.400 So because it's like it's a there's an audience have 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:25.680 come to see Whack the Dog. Also, this this introduction 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:34.360 is happening before the movie starts, So this is this 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.480 is the needle that I'm having to thread. So I 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:40.160 thought twenty minutes. Let's talk about what the Dog whatever. 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:42.560 Then I'll raise this I didn't so at first, and 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:44.120 then have a Q and A afterwards. 1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:47.440 I think I think they wanted to leave. I think, 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:49.800 like the people on the stage wanted to go and 1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:50.919 have dinner or whatever. 1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:51.720 I don't know. 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:57.280 I wasn't invited anyway, they so I thought I talked 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:59.360 about the movie for twenty minutes half an hour, because 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.840 that's what people come to see. Raise this issue. We'll 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:08.120 see see how long that takes. God, I can't remember. Oh, 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:11.080 I think actually it was a forced segue, because. 1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:13.280 No, it was. 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.320 Actually it was he said something that was a little 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:19.760 glib about Also, you gotta remember, Whack the Dog is 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:24.960 a movie about it's been in sexual harassment and or 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:28.360 assaults within that we don't know in that story that 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:31.760 was then buried and not addressed, and the and the 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:33.920 way that you could powerfully bury it. So there is 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:38.040 a gigantic elephant in the room. The very fact that 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:40.120 this is the movie, is that he's sitting there talking 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:43.200 about the fact that he or that anyone thought I 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:45.560 wasn't going to bring it up is crazy to me. 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:47.760 It kind of makes me think, what how little do 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:49.800 you think of me. Did he not going to bring 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:50.200 this up? 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:52.680 Does he does he know? I mean, you know they 1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:55.480 could like he might want to talk about the issue, and. 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:59.280 Did they tell him? Maybe I have no idea. 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.520 But here's the question. See in even when you ask 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:04.840 that question, like what did he expect? I think a 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:08.040 lot of interviews, especially lately, everybody's trying to navigate what's 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:10.320 the right way to go about this? So you kind 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:11.880 of broke the mold with that. And I don't know 1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:14.120 if anybody else has followed it up in that way. 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:17.120 I mean, it wasn't a thing. It wasn't on TV, right, 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:18.920 this is just at the ninety second street. Why so 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:21.640 what I was trying what I wanted it was I 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:25.120 wanted to with any of these issues, They're all different, 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:27.720 every single example is different. So it was a case 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:30.080 by case by case basis. But you want to try 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:34.040 and get to some introspection because in lots of these stories, 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:38.360 it certainly makes me introspective, right in terms of workplaces 1:03:38.400 --> 1:03:41.760 that I've been in, like behaviors of my friends of 1:03:41.840 --> 1:03:45.520 mine that I may have like conveniently overlooked or turned 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:49.600 like a long calloused blind blind eye to it. So 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:53.040 it's it's this has really made me introspective. So the 1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:57.080 fact that there was absolutely no introspection coming out of 1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:00.960 him was irritating to me. And so he was like 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:04.440 retreating from the position that he was, that he'd made 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:06.960 in that statement and was standing his ground and then 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:09.439 was coming at me, and I definitely was not gonna yield. 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:10.920 So then we had a problem. 1:04:11.280 --> 1:04:12.360 So then like the. 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:17.200 Funny now the dog, Well, that's the crazy thing is 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.560 that you know, it's not that's not a very friendly 1:04:19.640 --> 1:04:22.760 audience for me there, because there's lots of fans of his. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.080 I didn't this was not a situation of mind making. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:27.960 I personally don't believe that the problems of my questions 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:30.760 they were his answers. But there's still part of my 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:33.080 head which is thinking, I got this kind of goes 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:35.640 back to your early thing about what a thinking about 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:37.920 what an audience wants. What the audience wants at that 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:40.680 moment is for the tension to stop and they can 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:45.840 watch this movie, which is fine. And so I was thinking, Okay, 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:48.520 we've talked about this enough, let's bend this background. So 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.000 I had a I can't remember what it was, but 1:04:50.080 --> 1:04:51.600 I had a way to get back to talking about 1:04:51.600 --> 1:04:54.200 Wag the dog. So we talked about that for another 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:56.400 half an hour, but then he brought it back up 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:57.680 because he wanted to go. 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:01.280 Oh, so I couldn't get is the audience reaction though? 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:06.320 Fully like, no, no, I mean it was free bird, 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:11.240 you know, free buds would have been a great tension. 1:05:11.880 --> 1:05:18.480 Yeh, next time, audience, And what do you you have yo? 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:20.520 So let me just ask you then on the subject, 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:22.880 since you said you were introspective about the me too 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:24.960 the times and a lot of people, a lot of 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:27.480 women are feeling some type of way about men's reaction, 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:31.120 men's vocal ability to speak on the subject. You have 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:34.640 a new season starting in a week. Number one, how 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:36.880 do you feel and what do you feel that something 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:38.880 should be said from the male perspective? And number two, 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:40.800 how are you going to do that on your show? 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:43.439 I mean, I think something definitely should be said about 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:45.720 from the male. I think it's important for men to 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:49.760 talk to other men about this. It's not it's it's 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:52.880 definitely not important for men to explain to women that 1:05:53.000 --> 1:05:54.200 this is an important issue. 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:57.000 I want you to sit down so we can have 1:05:57.040 --> 1:05:57.320 a talk. 1:05:57.960 --> 1:05:59.880 But it is important for men to say it out 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:02.080 out in front of women so that women understand you 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:03.320 two counters. 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:03.600 I guess. 1:06:03.640 --> 1:06:06.000 But look, it's such a complicated conversation. I think it 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:08.520 is important. I've I've talked to friends of mine about it, 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:10.720 like it's it's this is conversation that a lot of 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:14.520 us have avoided for kind of understandable reasons. 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:15.040 With friends. 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:21.400 Right when you see your friend doing something gross, you know, 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:27.400 there are many very damaging inclinations to go, ah, that's 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:29.240 just I know him. 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:31.240 He's not like that. He's not like that to you 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:34.480 trying to fuck you. That's that. 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:37.800 But that's the thing, like you, I've met a lot 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:41.440 of as these stories have started coming out, and sometimes 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:43.840 I've thought, oh, that's weird. He was really nice to me, 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:46.520 And you think, yeah, he probably fucking was nice to me. 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:47.400 He's man. 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:51.120 Yeah, but it's easy, like lots of the people have 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:54.400 a natural charisma, and it's no one is just one 1:06:54.520 --> 1:06:57.560 thing either. It's it's complicated, like you say, it's there 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:00.360 are shades of gray here. Not only is every single 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:02.720 situation different, but. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:06.240 Uh, it's also allowed to play with comedy wise, and 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:07.520 not for nothing. I'm just saying. 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:11.200 Definitely, definitely, and in an in a fun way because 1:07:11.240 --> 1:07:15.640 it's a minefield and it's fun to run through minefield requirements. 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:17.000 What's the eligibility is like? 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.920 So yeah, I think it is important to I'm we're 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.200 working on We're working on a whole bunch of stories 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:24.720 at the moment. We're working on something. 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:25.240 I don't know what. 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:27.560 We've got to work out what we can add to it, right, 1:07:27.640 --> 1:07:29.640 what hasn't been said, and what we could say that 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:31.360 would be constructive and funny. 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:34.800 It's a blank canvas though, real, So we should have 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:36.959 Russell on Quest Love Supreme. 1:07:36.920 --> 1:07:37.120 You know. 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.560 I think we should naturally just with. 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:46.960 Just play whack the Dog for everyone. 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.439 Now, you know, because I think after a while it's 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:58.560 just like everybody. Yeah, in about three years, it's just 1:07:58.800 --> 1:07:59.200 gonna be. 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:02.480 But it's not binary. Again, It's not like everybody's guilty 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:06.200 for start. That's such that's so depressing, that idea that 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.120 everyone's good. That's the kind of level of cynicism that 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:11.480 even I don't have, right, But I do think the 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:14.120 important thing is for everyone to be introspective about it. 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:16.320 I think you've got to look at yourself and your friends, 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:19.800 and it doesn't not not every incident is going to 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:20.960 require the same response. 1:08:22.240 --> 1:08:26.160 But so had he not just want hair doesn't not 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:29.640 said or try to walk back the statement a little bit. 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:32.320 The whole point of you calling him out on. 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:34.840 It was wait, did you just undo the statement that 1:08:34.960 --> 1:08:38.519 you said that? Yeah, I think the post we have 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:40.880 to talk about this. We're again, we're wag the Dog, 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:45.960 the movie about sexual harassment that was squashed. So if 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:47.840 you don't think this is going to come up, that 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:50.800 is a level of indestructibility, which is in itself a 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:54.800 real problem here. So, uh no, there was a way 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:58.759 for that to go much smoother and be more interesting. 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:00.960 And I don't think it was tally my fault that 1:09:01.000 --> 1:09:01.599 it didn't. 1:09:01.360 --> 1:09:06.400 Go that way. Fight the powers that being heisty chunk d. 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:15.800 So where we are now with year one with this 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:22.479 current administration, I mean, I go back to my first question, 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:25.320 which is how exhausting is it? 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:31.840 How do you have any hopes that Well, that's a 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:34.400 complete question, hope, end of question. 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:38.360 I meant, you know, I know that a lot is 1:09:38.520 --> 1:09:42.920 being put on you know, God, please let these midterms 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:43.799 have a turnaround. 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:46.240 Do you have faith? 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:52.880 Do you have faith in in the system still in 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:57.760 American people or you know, my thing is that if 1:09:58.000 --> 1:09:59.960 Russia did it once, Russia will do it twice. 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:08.639 And of course you know, will will we be Okay? 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:12.400 The twenty eighteen will we be here? You're going to 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:14.600 put that on me? Will we be? Will? Will we 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:15.800 be here in two thousand and eight? 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:20.000 I mean, I guess there's there's degrees to that, right. 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:22.680 I think if the if you're holding up the midterms 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:26.000 as this kind of perfect silver bullet that's going to 1:10:26.040 --> 1:10:28.120 make everything okay, that is not going to happen. So 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:31.320 you think we're gonna get four years of Trump? Four years, 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:33.800 there's no reason to do. I think we're going to 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:36.439 get eight years. There's a non zero chance we're getting 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:39.360 twelve years of him, you really think so. 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:42.559 But here's the thing. Even if I can't be here 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:43.599 on earth that happens. 1:10:43.640 --> 1:10:47.479 But he is not this this is he is a 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:52.400 deeply unpleasant human being. But the ship that he stirred 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:56.400 up doesn't stop just with him, right obviously, So if 1:10:56.439 --> 1:11:00.000 the midterms flip, if he goes, there is someone else, 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.320 the shit load of stuff still to deal with in 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:05.840 its wake, the fact that he's churned up all all 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:11.280 the problems with white nationalism. I'm only because you mentioned it. 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:19.559 I'm not pointing to white we used to be. Yeah, 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:23.839 all the kind of dog whistle racism which is now audible, 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:27.120 which has now just become human whistle racism. That even 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:30.120 that speech loss oh night last night, talk about it, 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:35.600 the MS thirteen directly, that's some pretty toxic ship. And 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:37.360 that doesn't go away when he does. 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:40.120 How about the slave reference? Don't forget about the slave reference. 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:42.720 When he pointed out the owner, the white owner of 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:45.439 the business who just expanded into another building, and then 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:47.280 he says, oh, and the black guy over there, Corey, 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:49.720 he's a good worker. He works for that guy right there, 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:51.760 and you know what he's gonna do with his tax break. 1:11:51.880 --> 1:11:53.360 He's going to take his tax break, he's going to 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:55.120 buy a house, and he's gonna get education for his 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:55.599 two dart. 1:11:55.680 --> 1:11:56.040 How can you. 1:11:57.600 --> 1:12:00.600 Because it was racis And I knew that a lot 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:03.439 of people didn't plantation race, but I did because somebody 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:05.240 needed to have the reference. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:08.200 Of yeah thirteen. 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:08.760 I was waiting for. 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:11.639 The thing is he is the he is the conductor 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:15.880 of racism, is still going to be that when he's away. 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:19.599 She can't wait for the black man to come out 1:12:19.640 --> 1:12:20.400 who had sex, will. 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:25.479 Be those bigoted bassoons are still after twelve is stick around. 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:29.840 But your girl recar her story the stormy, stormy weather, 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:33.800 stormy Dan she like, she was like, no, it never happened. Yeah, 1:12:34.400 --> 1:12:35.280 how much did they give her? 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:37.680 She's dancing? She moon walked it back, but then she 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:38.760 shuffled forward again. 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:44.960 I think it's not it's she camera walked, move forwards, 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:51.519 camera walking, shout James Brown. Yes, yeah there was. 1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:54.280 Yeah, she was dancing around it on Kimmel. We'll see 1:12:54.280 --> 1:12:57.759 where she lands. But yeah, she uh, she moon walked backwards. 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:00.360 And I'm sure I'm certain that you know there was 1:13:00.400 --> 1:13:03.760 another one hundred thousand dollars check written to go on 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:05.920 and just say she's on a powerful. 1:13:05.640 --> 1:13:07.760 But she had already admitted to it like two other 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:10.360 times back in the past, and both of those stories 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:11.280 were the same, and they were. 1:13:11.840 --> 1:13:14.560 So she's I worry about too much attention on the 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:18.679 storm with Daniel's think, because who gives a ship his wife? Sure, 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:23.040 I get how you would care, I get how she 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:26.080 would be piste off. Otherwise, this is this is not 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:28.760 in the top one hundred things that we should be 1:13:28.880 --> 1:13:32.519 really concerned about. What is happening right now. It's it's certainly, 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:34.280 it's certainly funny. 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.120 I think it just shows the double standard. I think 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:38.120 I think that's why it's become such a popular story, 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:40.519 because it'sause it's shown the double standard. You know, if 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:42.479 it was Obama that had sex with the porn star, 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:43.920 then he would have if. 1:13:43.800 --> 1:13:47.400 Obama had liked an Instagram picture of some model chick. 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:52.160 But this is not the first big double standard. No, no, 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:54.639 I mean it's just you know, another in the long 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:56.920 line of Yeah, and is that new? 1:13:57.040 --> 1:13:59.120 I mean, you could tell us better than anything, John, 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:00.439 I mean, I know you've been for a let years, 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:03.519 but when you're watching these stories, does it seem a 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:06.639 little different than what's going on in England? 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:12.280 A politician in England who was found dead masturbating with 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:17.280 with a orange in his mouth. Please don't sure he had. 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:21.479 Sex with a sound mirror episode it was. 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:27.679 I think it was a Satsuma Clementine story. I just remember, 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:30.080 that's a hell of a way to go baby. 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:39.000 Nutrition environment. He died as he lived in search of vitamin. 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:43.120 But yeah, I mean, Brittain is wrestling with a whole 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:46.479 different kind of problems that Brexit is going to tear 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:50.080 Britain and Europe apart for decades to come. So that 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:53.920 is a whole different ship storm a little bit too. 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:58.240 No, that is not on him, on him, where is 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:01.479 that coming up? Remember to be like the ignorant generals, 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:04.920 like can you still weigh in on issues over there? 1:15:05.120 --> 1:15:07.400 Like where you mean does anyone who hear it from me? 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:09.200 No? I guess I guess not. 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:11.439 You know, in the in the same way that people say, 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:12.960 I don't want to hear it from a britt over here. 1:15:14.360 --> 1:15:17.960 You moved to American I'm a man without a country. 1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:20.120 So break down to brexit like for those of us 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:21.640 like word exactly, it. 1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:25.000 Was a fucking stupid thing to do. Uh it was, well, 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:26.960 I gain the first stupid thing to do was to 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:29.200 call a referendum on it at all. So it was 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:32.400 a like an incredibly self serving decision made from a 1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:34.920 prime minister who's not prime minister anymore, and the fact 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:37.320 he made that decision will taint his record for the 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:39.759 rest of his life. He should be he should struggle 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:43.800 to sleep over calling that referendum. Then then you're getting 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:46.679 into the complexities of the fact that the EU which 1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:50.240 will set up, you know, for good reasons, with good intentions, 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:57.000 which is not perfect, which is flawed. UH has irritated people, 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:00.519 irritates everyone, every everybody in it is irritated. You don't 1:16:00.560 --> 1:16:02.920 you know, you don't get to live in a perfect 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:05.479 world all the time. And then there was a lot 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:10.320 of anti immigrant stoking, race baiting, completely bullshit data where 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:11.960 people will promise money that would not. 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:13.160 Come back to them. 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:14.280 That's where we start. Trump came in. 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:18.960 There is it's made, that's the same ze. Source of 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:26.760 discontent is UH made both decisions possible, both decisions which 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:31.880 seemed like they would be impossible, made them plausible. And 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:34.479 then of course like so that it made it did 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:37.600 mean that having watched Brexit happened and it was just 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:40.560 heartbreaking to watch that happen, knowing what that will do 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:42.719 to Britain and to Europe. 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:44.720 So how long does that How long do we have 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:46.520 until that actually. 1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:49.280 Takes until it happens where we then negotiating now, so 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:53.320 they instituted this article, so they're involved in these literally 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:55.080 impossible negotiations right now. 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:58.920 So so even when it does happen, that means what 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:01.400 that is a that. 1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:03.439 Is a question you should ask the Prime Minister of 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:05.559 the u K and the head of the EU it's 1:17:05.640 --> 1:17:09.000 not it's not clear. It's not clear who will be 1:17:09.040 --> 1:17:12.120 allowed to live where, who will be able to trade 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:14.200 with whom. It's not clear if there will be a 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:18.000 hard border in Northern Ireland again, which I don't know 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:20.400 how much you knew about the trolls and here it 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:23.320 didn't work out too well last time. There it is, 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:29.600 it's almost it's almost bamboozling. The depth of complexity and 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:35.360 problems with Brexit is absolutely mind blowing. So it's all 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.640 you can say for sure is this probably isn't going 1:17:38.720 --> 1:17:43.240 to go well. But if I can flip that question 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:44.920 back on you, is it going to be okay? 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:50.280 I meka tell me it's going to be okay. 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:55.800 Well, I'm only asking because well again, this also leads 1:17:55.800 --> 1:18:00.439 to the again back to exhausting impression. How real is 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:05.160 the quote unquote John our effect in your head? Like 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:06.599 do you wake up in the morning brust. 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:07.280 Your teeth flight. 1:18:12.520 --> 1:18:14.880 I'm not even effective in shifting plot. 1:18:17.040 --> 1:18:18.160 Or I'm just saying that. 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:23.760 Again, it's what does it make you paranoid that as 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:27.960 quick as like Americans are world famous for building someone 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:31.920 up just to tear them down, Like, so are you 1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:37.600 paranoid that you have so much. You you kind of 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:42.760 have a power that sort of extends past what John 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:46.000 Stewart was doing. And I hate to say that I 1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:47.320 don't anything. 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:49.840 Honestly, don't know that's true at all. I think that 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:54.200 the general effect seems like, I really it's bullshit. 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:56.080 You're going to say it's a reach. You're going to 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:57.960 say it's a reach. I know that. Let me just 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:00.840 say it. I'm just saying that. I'm just saying that. 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:02.640 I know you're going to think it's a reach. But 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:10.679 what I'm saying is, are you at least on defense 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:12.400 not on defense? 1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:17.240 I think I'm more aware if if I really think 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:21.120 about like try to tap into your. 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:28.840 And then oh, look for anything to discredit you to Oh. 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:32.200 I mean, of course we've had like we've done stories 1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:36.120 about Russia, North Korea, and you know, I went to 1:19:36.320 --> 1:19:39.120 meet Snowden in Russia, so we've had like higher level 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:41.479 cybersecurity for a while. I have a I have a 1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:45.680 healthy amount of paranoia, but I guess I guess in 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:52.599 terms of my motivations for things, I basically I'm trying 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:54.600 to think about this as honestly as possible. Right, I 1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:59.639 still fundamentally refute the premise of like this nebulous John 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:04.360 Oliver effect. What I will say is I am cognizant 1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:06.600 of the fact that just by the by dint of 1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:09.320 being on TV and on being on TV with a 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:14.240 show that people watch forever reason, there is a we 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:16.800 do have an amplifier effect. So, you know, I think 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:19.760 the first time that nonsense term came up was in 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:22.120 the wake of, you know, the net neutrality debate, the 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:24.400 first time people have been talking about net neutrality for 1:20:24.560 --> 1:20:27.840 a long time. There's a lot of people that have 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:33.160 been writing detailed articles and good investigative journalism. 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:34.680 Yeah. 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:38.400 Right, we were an amplifier, right, So we have a 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.720 louder voice. So I'm definitely colnisant of the fact that 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:45.000 we have a loud voice. And that's probably the only. 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:47.960 Loud diminishes it is that just loud. 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:49.720 It's accurate, it's. 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:52.679 Accurate, and it's understandable, like people all levels can understand, 1:20:52.720 --> 1:20:53.600 and it breaks things down and. 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:58.120 That I'm aware of, Like when we talk, I'm aware 1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:02.280 that people will listen and generally will when we say 1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:06.479 if we're thinking about getting people to do something, I 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:09.519 do think about you know, sometimes in the past, like 1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:11.880 like even if we're writing things on the Daily Show. 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:13.400 I think it would be funny if you did if 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:18.280 people went and did this and the joke is finished, 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:20.120 and that you don't want them to actually do it. 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:22.840 I'm much more aware now of the fact that if 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:24.680 we say do something, people might do it. So like 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:30.600 that the Chechen Forlord, so like when we were just 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:32.680 asking people to fuck with he lost his cat, and 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.080 so we were saying he lost it. He has this 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:39.640 dumb cat and he lost it, and so he's very 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:42.479 active on Instagram, and so we just said to people, 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.040 take photos of any cat you see and send it 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:47.840 to on Instagram saying is this your cat? That was 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.760 the first point that I kind of thought, that's a 1:21:50.800 --> 1:21:56.000 funny idea. I wasn't really anticipated they did it hard 1:21:56.120 --> 1:22:02.559 and he was pissed, pissed off a check warlord. At 1:22:02.640 --> 1:22:05.240 that point, I'm thinking, I probably need to think through 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:08.960 when I say do something, what what was happened if 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:09.960 people actually did it? 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:15.479 Well, I mean, what what areas you you along with 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:16.400 that neutrality? 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:19.960 Uh, you've taken on the tobacco industry like you've done 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:23.240 a billion now, I mean Oprah tried this once. 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:29.840 You could have put Oprah on me. Now that when 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:33.280 she tried to go to the beef industry, they clap, clap, 1:22:35.479 --> 1:22:38.960 So you do it for the van, We do it 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:42.920 for the bow van. I wish I have my sound 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:53.960 effects class. That was awesome. What do you see a 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:55.920 mountain you can't climb? 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:59.280 No, because also with these stories, you gotta understand they 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:02.280 know what's coming in. But we work with them, Like 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:05.800 we're in contact with Philip Morris International as we're right 1:23:05.840 --> 1:23:09.320 in that story, just like we're in contact with coal 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:11.519 companies that we talk about. There's a back and forth 1:23:11.560 --> 1:23:13.519 in Hey, this is what we're going to say about you. 1:23:13.600 --> 1:23:15.840 If you got anything to say about that. Oh, well 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:17.519 that's not based on anything. Well, here is what that 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:20.160 is based on. They know there has been we don't 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:22.880 want to get anything wrong. So you know, if if 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:25.080 there is correction, if things have been badly reported, we 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:28.200 want to not amplify that bad reporting. 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:32.280 But has there been an organization that has said no? 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:35.320 I mean, oh, Shad said no, like scientology or whoever 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:39.000 you want to investigate, Like, who's the one organization that 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:40.000 you're trying to. 1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:48.559 Sort of move past this, uh, this gate. 1:23:48.760 --> 1:23:51.360 That I don't know if there is one, right, I 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.960 mean it's I don't know if there is like it. 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:55.519 There's there's no condis, there's. 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:58.639 No Fortnight subject to you that you will not really 1:23:59.240 --> 1:23:59.559 not really. 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:03.640 It's because whenever we're taking swings, we're trying to engage 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:07.519 the people that we're taking swings at, so that so 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:11.240 that we basically agree on the underlying facts. We just 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:14.960 might have different conclusions to those facts, right, But but 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:17.280 those facts have got to be accurate, and so our 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:20.680 key difference of opinion is what those facts mean. But 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:25.960 so yeah, I mean, I don't I'm sure that there 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:28.360 have been many companies that are pissed off with us, 1:24:29.280 --> 1:24:34.840 but they can't dispute what we actually said. They can 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:37.080 disagree with our opinions, but they can't dispute the facts 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:37.639 that we cided. 1:24:38.240 --> 1:24:40.960 Have you gotten any feedback from any I mean, any 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:44.719 activists in the community. I'm curious more now than Daily Show. 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:47.599 It feels like since you're changing some culture a little 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:50.320 bit more informing, there'd be some folks call you up, 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:51.760 like you know Al Gore, like I'm so glad that 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:52.160 you did. 1:24:52.800 --> 1:24:58.519 Our Gore does not have my cell number. If he 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:00.479 ever calls me on my phone, I'm throwing it in 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:00.840 the river. 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:06.920 I'm burn. I don't go anywhere. 1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:10.439 I don't know anyone, So yeah, I live in There's 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:16.719 not too many tentacles that people. But people pitch stories 1:25:16.760 --> 1:25:19.320 all the time and like as they do within our office, 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:21.360 and we'll we'll look at them. 1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:23.200 Still, don't even think about it like that, Like now 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:24.760 people are trying to get their word out through you. 1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:27.639 We don't really listen to many outside pitches, to be honest, 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:28.599 So there's. 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:30.840 No idea too silly, Like even the idea of you 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:33.719 going to rush to interview him, that's a dumb idea, 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:37.639 But that's that's literally asking for trouble. 1:25:38.160 --> 1:25:40.479 That was what's so exhilarating about it. Perhaps you just 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:43.120 ask him because I thought I thought there was the 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:45.640 thing that was mostly interested about with Snowden was he's 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:49.000 an incredibly smart guy, but like lots of people that 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:52.160 are smart in that particular way, he's not a great communicator. 1:25:52.479 --> 1:25:57.240 So like he releases incredibly important information for everyone to 1:25:57.280 --> 1:25:58.840 reckon with, and you might not like the way that 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:01.200 he released it, but the fact is what he released 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:05.080 is very important, but there's no value to that unless 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:10.280 people understand it. So I wanted to I wanted to 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:12.839 try and find a way to deal with the contents 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:14.760 of that material in the way that made sense to people. 1:26:15.080 --> 1:26:18.840 So we'd reached out through his lawyer to say, would 1:26:18.840 --> 1:26:20.519 you ever want to do an interview. Also, the slight 1:26:20.600 --> 1:26:25.320 connection was that I had to Snowden. Was that John's 1:26:25.439 --> 1:26:31.160 first day having left that summer Snowden happened. So what 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:34.000 was supposed to be a very first, very calm, first 1:26:34.120 --> 1:26:36.639 day in the chair for me, of old whatever, it's summer, 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:38.719 let's just talk about different things, all of a sudden 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:44.400 the Snowden story erupts. So I've always felt kind of 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:49.640 very tied to him in that way. We're both in 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:55.200 trouble in a similar way. So I talked to him 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:58.960 on his encrypted line here and then we went to 1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:03.680 Moscow and Russians were not pleased we were there. The 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:06.040 American government, I don't think we're thrilled that we'd left. 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:09.320 So you kind of end up pissing off everyone. But 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:12.000 what did they say, customers when you came back? 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:12.719 Like nothing? 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:15.920 We were worried, Like we were worried that we'd split 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:19.000 the tapes amongst the crew in case one of us 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:21.519 got pulled. So at least me you'll go through. 1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:21.920 Yeah. 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:26.240 And the crazy thing is I forgot about this. I've 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:28.479 never had this happen on a flight before. But they 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:32.120 when we landed from Moscow, Uh, they said there was 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:35.360 They said everyone stay in your seats, like the FBI 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:37.600 here to pick up a couple of passengers. So me 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:43.640 and my producers, but it was it wasn't us. 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:47.280 I don't know who it was. I was sticking around. 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:49.519 I don't know who it was. They got. 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:54.800 They got to maybe they got two people. Think yeah, no, 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:56.439 they were we were walking part they were. 1:27:56.479 --> 1:27:56.960 They were there. 1:27:57.000 --> 1:27:58.920 They they were walking past. So they were going to 1:27:58.960 --> 1:28:00.840 get people as they as they pulled off. 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:02.719 So how did you know America was pissed there. 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:04.400 Because we were. 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:07.960 Ye reached out to them after we've gone, just because 1:28:07.960 --> 1:28:10.599 we wanted to fact check everything he'd said. He wanted 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:12.840 us to do that because he didn't want information to 1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:13.799 no longer be currently. 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:15.200 He wants to be right as well. 1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:17.720 He doesn't want to be giving out bad information. So 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:22.880 we reached out to the NSA and said, this is 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:25.080 the stuff that we were I'm sure, I am sure 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:27.800 they knew we were there. If if they didn't know 1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:32.640 we were there, that seems like I don't think it 1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:34.000 was a surprise that we were there. 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:38.240 Well, I'm being getting on between you and Rachel Meadow. 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.840 My money's on you to to break up and it's 1:28:43.080 --> 1:28:44.080 current administration. 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:45.840 Oh man, you're back in the wrong horse. 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:53.479 New season, let's go yeah that on a new season. 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:56.560 Were there any stories that you were really wishing that 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:57.519 you were on the air for. 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:03.680 Not really, because we don't generally trafficking those. We do 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:07.599 some slow cooking with our stories, so it's not we're 1:29:07.880 --> 1:29:12.679 operating in a slightly different, slightly different arena, So there's 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.880 there's nothing particularly that we've missed that it felt like 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:18.280 we were going to have much to add to other 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:22.720 than everything. But you know, yeah, we'res When we were 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:25.280 excited to come back, we got a bunch of ideas, 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:27.800 some of which are related to everything that's going on 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:29.120 and some of which not. 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:33.040 It would totally kill you, but could you operate in 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:35.320 a fifty two week. 1:29:36.040 --> 1:29:40.880 No, not making this show because we make mistakes, you know, 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:44.800 it's just too intense that with making this particular kind 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:46.719 of we could do a different show for fifty two weeks, 1:29:47.960 --> 1:29:48.720 but you can't do. 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:50.599 This, So then that takes out my other question, could 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.280 this be a daily No, okay, we could do it. 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:56.200 We could do a daily show, but it wouldn't. You 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:56.679 just can't. 1:29:56.800 --> 1:30:01.000 It's not physically possible. So it takes it takes longer 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:03.840 to do this stuff. So we can only we can 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:05.760 only do the amount of shows that we do because 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:08.559 we need to build in breaks in the year where 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:10.560 we're not doing shows, but we're still working because we 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:15.760 getting If we make a big mistake, we're fucked right, 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:18.000 because we've got we definitely have enough of a target 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:19.880 on our back. Now that you get something wrong in 1:30:19.920 --> 1:30:21.800 a big way, it's kind of done. 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:24.080 You want to tell us a little bit about what 1:30:24.400 --> 1:30:24.920 we're working on. 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:33.120 What I've got in the slow coat. I don't know 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:35.840 if we've got anything. That's one of the nice things 1:30:35.880 --> 1:30:37.720 I like about the show is I like the fact 1:30:37.720 --> 1:30:39.599 that you don't know what we're going to talk about. 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:42.280 Right with lots with lots of late night shows, you 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:46.160 basically know people are eating from the same buffet. And 1:30:46.280 --> 1:30:49.880 what's nice is that with those main that that main 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:52.519 story that if we're going to say and tonight we're 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:55.599 going to talk about charter schools, you think, okay, all right, 1:30:56.439 --> 1:30:58.960 let's see, let's talk about that's what we. 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:02.560 Look forward to trying. Whatever schools is gonna be a 1:31:02.560 --> 1:31:03.840 story of charter schools. Don't really want to know. 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:06.080 You know what, if we said it was no one 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:10.320 would watch. We kind of have to trap you into 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:12.320 watching something that you don't really want to see. 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:12.640 I think. 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:15.840 But as a viewer, I'm already knowing you said charter schools. 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:16.479 I want to know what the. 1:31:18.720 --> 1:31:19.479 Just you don't know. 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:21.800 We have to explain this part of the writing, why 1:31:21.880 --> 1:31:24.000 something is important. So we were just like, guess what 1:31:24.040 --> 1:31:26.720 we're going to do something about Sinclair Board Broadcasting Group. 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:29.640 People go, that sounds terrible. How many writers are in 1:31:29.680 --> 1:31:31.760 the room. It's not. 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:34.360 It's not so much a writer's room in the traditional sense. 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:37.519 But we have at the moment we have eight writers 1:31:37.600 --> 1:31:41.760 plus uh plus him and I. I think that's the 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:45.439 current tally, and that's what we have right. We might 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:46.439 we might get a couple more. 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:49.320 Do I need to ardit your female male ratio? John, 1:31:51.479 --> 1:31:53.240 how your writer's room doing? How's it doing? 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:59.320 Two to six? Right now? You try to go to 1:31:59.640 --> 1:32:00.240 his show? 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:03.559 No, no, no, I'm just writers. 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:04.839 It's not yeah. 1:32:06.320 --> 1:32:08.840 To see where you fit in I'm to see if 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:10.440 I'm actually in there represented. 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:14.479 That is entirely legitimate question. So two to six is 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:17.840 not the balance that I'm happy with the moment. So 1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:19.640 we're in the process of trying to put that right. 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:20.560 I have to that. 1:32:20.880 --> 1:32:24.439 We're in the process right now of hiring You. 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:32.960 Just got somebody, no idea, no no, no, come on 1:32:38.240 --> 1:32:39.200 question question. Yeah. 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:42.599 So we've we've talked a little bit about little bits 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:44.400 and pieces about how the show is put together. Can 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:46.760 you walk us through like an actual week is, like, 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.400 you know, is every Monday pretty much the same. 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:51.120 Because it's not really like one week. 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.160 So those those main stories were on four week cycles, right, 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:58.840 So like there's a week of like just research to 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:02.320 check that the story it's been reported accurately, that hasn't shifted. 1:33:02.720 --> 1:33:06.320 And then like another week of research and footage looking 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:09.519 for footage whether there's the ingredients in terms of other 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:11.840 people's footage that we can use to tell the story. 1:33:12.439 --> 1:33:15.439 Then we start writing two weeks out from the show. 1:33:16.000 --> 1:33:18.200 Then there's the week of the show when we're starting 1:33:18.240 --> 1:33:23.400 to really coffee fact check everything exactly this is bad. 1:33:23.880 --> 1:33:27.200 So those parts of the show are on four week cycles. 1:33:27.240 --> 1:33:28.559 The top of the show is on the one week. 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:31.519 Do you have a difficult time like establishing what's success 1:33:31.560 --> 1:33:33.280 and what's not because there are some Sundays where the 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:36.160 next on Monday, everyone's talking about what John Oliver did 1:33:36.200 --> 1:33:37.800 on his show, and then some there's not. 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:40.599 I don't really pay much attention to that because we're 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:44.400 already worried about the next one. So yeah, like if 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:47.280 you if I paid too much attention to the ripple effect, 1:33:47.400 --> 1:33:51.000 I'd either go crazy, I'd get frustrated kind of litigating 1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:53.720 why people were not taking it because it's I think 1:33:53.880 --> 1:33:57.479 what I find frustrating when something does get passed around 1:33:57.560 --> 1:34:00.280 is you can't control the packaging. So all that shit 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:04.040 clickbait terminology of oh he destroys this industry, that's not 1:34:04.280 --> 1:34:07.000 what happened at all. Right, that was not my intention 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:09.120 at no point was that part of it. But the 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:13.160 fact it's been packaged that way, Yeah, and it recontextualizes 1:34:13.280 --> 1:34:15.200 what you've done and it changes the way that people 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:18.160 watch it, and that can be frustrating. Unfortunately, it's nothing 1:34:18.200 --> 1:34:20.320 I can do anything about. So that's not dead frustration. 1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:23.160 That's not being on message boards that you shouldn't be 1:34:23.280 --> 1:34:23.559 on there. 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:30.519 Yeah, Yeah, Look I'm just looking for remixes. 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:32.920 For certain I'm trying to save you from yourself. 1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:35.760 We are are welcome to. 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:42.639 It's basically an intervention with one different guest each week. 1:34:46.040 --> 1:34:48.719 I got one more question, So, were you guys actually 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:51.400 surprised at how well or how much the internet took 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:52.760 to some of the long form pieces that you got 1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:55.200 to do, because yeah, it's fourteen minute pieces. 1:34:55.040 --> 1:34:59.360 And fourteen it's way longer than look for a short 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:03.519 short people like they are around twenty Like again, we've 1:35:03.600 --> 1:35:07.160 done more long show stories, longer than our show is 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:10.880 supposed to be. So yeah, it doesn't make any sense. 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:13.840 I don't understand why anyone watches it or enjoys it. 1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:16.920 I have more than enough self clothing to find my 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:18.320 success inexplicable. 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:22.400 No, your show is made for the iPhone. Man, It's 1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:24.840 and you, I mean, you break things down. I think 1:35:24.920 --> 1:35:26.560 that's what one of the reasons I watch it, you 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:27.680 break it and explain it. 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:28.200 I think one. 1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:31.160 I think the one thing that is really useful for us, 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:33.840 especially being on HBO, is because these stories are running 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:37.760 twenty minutes, like they have an arc to them where 1:35:37.920 --> 1:35:40.439 we kind of need your full attention so we can't 1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:44.640 be breaking twice for commercials in there. Otherwise it's you 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:47.479 kind of lose people's focus and then you've got to recap. 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:50.559 So it's it's very very important to us that there 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:53.840 is not a commercial break in there, partly because we're 1:35:53.920 --> 1:35:57.120 sometimes talking about companies, but mainly because we need like 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.200 uninterrupted attention for twenty minutes. 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:02.720 Fish for a compliment for HBO, But do you ever 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:05.080 look around and feel good about being on that network? 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:07.679 Seeing as though it seems like they support between Vice 1:36:07.840 --> 1:36:11.680 and Bill and like they support this voice of say 1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:13.360 what you want to say as long as it's truth 1:36:14.160 --> 1:36:15.240 and politics. 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:17.640 And I guess, I mean, I can only speak from 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:19.720 my experience. I'm sure people have been annoyed by them, 1:36:20.000 --> 1:36:22.120 work for them. I can only speak from my experience, 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:24.680 which is that they said, you'll do what you can do, 1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:29.760 whatever you want, and and but immediately you think, well, 1:36:29.800 --> 1:36:33.559 that's bullshit. Everyone says that, and that conversation turns really 1:36:33.640 --> 1:36:35.840 quick when you start doing things they don't want you 1:36:35.960 --> 1:36:38.200 to do, and they have kept their mouth shut. 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:40.880 So Sesame Street was told the same thing. 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:46.280 Want the cursing mumpets. 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:51.759 Curse, I want to talk ship about scientology. 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:56.560 Subject I love scientology. 1:36:58.360 --> 1:36:59.639 Have you read you read that book? 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:05.120 I've read the books books incredible, No, not Dianetics. 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:11.880 No, the What's Clear Going, yeah, the movie. Yeah, the 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:14.519 book I was that was that was amazing. I couldn't 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:18.280 put that from Fuddled the whole thing anyway. 1:37:19.479 --> 1:37:21.960 On the other hand, it's a series of mechanics that 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:24.839 can really help you turn you like. It really depends 1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:30.519 clear or Dianetics. I'd read that one first. This seems 1:37:30.600 --> 1:37:32.560 like I'm an amazing human being that just needs to 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:33.839 access my full potential. 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:36.200 Have one last, one last question. 1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:37.919 I really want to work on Tom Cruise's motorbike. 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:40.120 What's it like to interview Stephen HARKing? 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:45.080 Amazing? It was, honestly, Now, the reason I wanted to 1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:48.240 do that was that he's a funny guy. And so 1:37:49.000 --> 1:37:52.160 the thing about him that I find frustrating is that, 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:55.640 you know, it's very, very easy to just objectify that 1:37:55.760 --> 1:38:01.240 guy as being a brain beyond most of our comprehension 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:05.439 and that's it. Whereas he's a really he loves comedy, right, 1:38:05.520 --> 1:38:07.720 loves the Simpsons. That's why he does appearances something, and 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:12.120 I know he's he has a good sense of humor. 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:14.760 So I wanted to try and get at that, and 1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:18.400 that's not easy, right, because of his physical circumstances. 1:38:18.479 --> 1:38:20.320 And so what we had to do was. 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.559 Write that interview back and forth beforehand, and he would 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:26.200 trigger it up on his computer. So I would say, 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:29.160 how I'm going to ask you this question. Then he 1:38:29.200 --> 1:38:32.280 would like say he would say, oh, this be my 1:38:32.360 --> 1:38:34.280 answer because it takes him a long time to communicate 1:38:34.360 --> 1:38:36.920 now uh, and then he would have his answers queued up. 1:38:37.360 --> 1:38:39.400 But you could see like a glint in his eye 1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:41.519 because I wanted him to like this would be a 1:38:41.560 --> 1:38:42.360 shit talking thing. 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:43.320 I wanted to. 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:48.920 It was really fun watching his face light up when 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:52.000 he knew he was about to give me a give 1:38:52.080 --> 1:38:56.720 me the business, so yeah, like they like the anticipation 1:38:56.840 --> 1:38:58.640 on his face when he was about to drop a 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:02.600 slam on me was fantastic. So it was great to 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:03.960 just slightly waste his time. 1:39:05.439 --> 1:39:07.120 You just gave us an exclusive. I don't know, those 1:39:07.160 --> 1:39:08.680 are really his voices on like when he does the 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:09.639 Simpsons and family guy. 1:39:09.880 --> 1:39:14.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a question. I was 1:39:14.800 --> 1:39:17.000 just that's not a question. 1:39:20.400 --> 1:39:22.759 I just wonder if you had any background or education 1:39:22.880 --> 1:39:25.559 in journalism, or if you learned all these journalistic skills 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:26.479 at your job. 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:27.679 It's not comedy jobs. 1:39:27.800 --> 1:39:30.519 It's not just me, right, So the journalistic skills come 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:34.000 from my staff. So we got people from the Timers magazine, 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:34.960 from Pro Publica. 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:36.640 So you have no journalistics. 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:38.960 I have. 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:43.120 I'm like a journalism adjacent like that. They they have 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:48.120 worked in journalism. But you no, no, no, no, I'm 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:51.679 a comedian, not just a comedian. I'm a comedian, which 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:54.800 takes me back to when do you think you will 1:39:56.360 --> 1:39:58.640 go in front of an audience and just tell us 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:02.880 why the chicken cross the road? And changing diapers and 1:40:03.120 --> 1:40:06.240 and oh you mean what? 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:06.880 I don't know. 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:12.360 Diapers to pussy really fast because I. 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:13.720 Would never say Oliver to do that. 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:17.280 I'm not I once I once had a friend in England. 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:19.600 He offered me like he ran a gig and he 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:23.240 offered me fifty quid to do a dirty set and 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:25.200 he said, but you've got to do it for five minutes. 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:31.680 And I was in agony. There was like grants in 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:37.040 for we can talk about the tatars w Yates. 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:44.600 I believe where is that? 1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:51.040 I don't have a blue set in me? 1:40:52.000 --> 1:40:53.479 You know what I think? 1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:53.920 Uh? 1:40:56.840 --> 1:41:02.720 I think I know that the taboo interview show that 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:07.680 you could tackle. It would be crazy. And I know 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:11.880 he's going to grant an interview. Who I think you 1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:12.720 should interview O J. 1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:16.519 Simpson. I would the juice. 1:41:16.840 --> 1:41:20.519 I would the juice loose on Mike. I would love 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:23.920 to we know, I know Ezra, Ezra Edelman. Yeah, who 1:41:24.000 --> 1:41:28.960 might might the Yeah he probably our documentary. I watched 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:32.320 that four times already, so I think, yeah, I think 1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:34.240 he might be looking for Ezra before he's looking for me. 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:36.320 But or or jay Z. 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:40.040 Oh, yeah, that's true. He's writing a song about me. 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:40.519 That's great. 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:46.479 Grammys. I was just praying to guy that jay Z 1:41:46.600 --> 1:41:49.679 won that award just so so we can get O J. Simpson. 1:41:50.120 --> 1:41:52.240 It is OJ Prize. 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:55.000 Lifetime. 1:41:56.120 --> 1:41:56.640 Think about that. 1:41:59.680 --> 1:41:59.920 I was. 1:42:01.439 --> 1:42:06.000 Even even more than Army Winsde. I think like it's 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:08.360 I know he's in. 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:12.760 I know he's uh sort of putting feelers out there 1:42:12.920 --> 1:42:16.080 that you know he is the entry. Yeah, but I 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:18.479 think it's more like for money, like the thing like 1:42:18.600 --> 1:42:20.400 I'll talk for five hundred thousand dollars. 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:22.800 He's motivated by money. 1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:27.280 Crazy to believe it or not? Right, Yeah, but I 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:30.960 would think that would be an awesome interview. 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:34.000 Look, the thing I loved about AS's documentary was as 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:38.679 a British person, my encounter with Oja was airplane onwards, 1:42:39.160 --> 1:42:44.519 airplane to murder. So when that, when that story came out, 1:42:44.560 --> 1:42:46.840 it was more in England. Oh that guy from that 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:51.400 funny guy in airplane he killed someone and so it 1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:54.360 was what I didn't understand was everything before then I 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:59.959 didn't understand. I didn't like Kravins, I didn't. I understood 1:43:00.200 --> 1:43:04.080 he was a football player, but not exactly theology. I 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:05.680 didn't understand the Hurts commercials. 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:07.720 So uh, there was a. 1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:09.320 Lot in that I didn't know. 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:13.760 Well, the the last o J, the party o J. Yeah, 1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:18.840 that's the OJ I knew. And you seen him dog 1:43:22.600 --> 1:43:23.360 the first time. 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:31.280 We were going around her house, dropped him off. 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:36.160 Seriously. I had dinner with oj one night. It was 1:43:36.360 --> 1:43:38.280 it was the surrealest thing in my life. What what? 1:43:38.520 --> 1:43:41.040 And so they see partly so I'm we're in Miami 1:43:41.439 --> 1:43:44.560 working on an album and not many people know. 1:43:44.680 --> 1:43:45.160 Well I don't know. 1:43:45.160 --> 1:43:47.920 If you know, you probably don't even know who Scott 1:43:47.960 --> 1:43:52.040 Storch is. Scott Storch is a former Roots member and 1:43:52.479 --> 1:43:56.120 he might be connected with some friends of ours. Way, 1:43:56.200 --> 1:44:02.400 hey whatever, anyway, he's saying friends of ours are also 1:44:02.520 --> 1:44:05.400 connected to OJ and they go golfing with him and everything. 1:44:05.520 --> 1:44:08.479 So I guess the stories that one of their wives 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:12.360 was having a birthday dinner and Scott has ever so 1:44:12.479 --> 1:44:14.840 casually mentioned like, hey, you know, let's let's we were 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:15.320 in the studio. 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:16.679 It's like, yeah, let's go on a dinner break. 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:21.920 So we Scott start dinner break, a three hour. 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:24.040 Dinner break, and there was like, oh, by the way, 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:29.320 OJ is going to be here too, And so think 1:44:29.400 --> 1:44:32.679 of like the the Last Supper. Oh my god, it's 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:36.080 like a Last Supper scenario or or or very Got 1:44:36.400 --> 1:44:41.040 Fathers whatever, like just a circle of this thing of 1:44:41.080 --> 1:44:43.439 that whole Martin Scorsese thing where he's like all the 1:44:43.560 --> 1:44:45.880 characters and everything and Johnny two times and you know 1:44:46.000 --> 1:44:48.919 that got to get the pape, let's get the paper exactly. 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:54.439 And so surprisingly, there's like the small children's table. 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:56.280 I don't know if you have this Thanksgiving thing there, 1:44:56.320 --> 1:44:59.400 it's like the big fans sit there in yeah, so 1:44:59.520 --> 1:45:03.320 on the side so on the side in the smarts 1:45:03.479 --> 1:45:09.919 thanks Giving a different story, but the side table situation, 1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:13.479 there's like an additional nine people and it's like me 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:20.560 Buster rhymes Scott Storts and O. J. Simpson, and you know, 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:22.840 in the beginning was slightly awkward. I try to act 1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:24.760 as normal as I could, and he's like, yeah, you know, 1:45:24.800 --> 1:45:26.120 I used to have one of those. He's pointed at 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:31.240 my afro and stuff. And then another conversation, let's. 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:34.559 Go, let's go, let's go, let's go an ex life. 1:45:34.640 --> 1:45:40.439 Yeah, let's go. Four bottles of wine, and and then 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:42.600 like I don't want to be around drunkard. 1:45:43.800 --> 1:45:46.880 You don't and then you want four bottles of wine 1:45:47.000 --> 1:45:51.439 and he says to to Buster me and Scott, he's like, 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:56.880 you know, you know her, Kate Carter, you know all 1:45:56.960 --> 1:46:00.680 the singers, Bob Dylan and them, they you know, they 1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:02.479 fought for Hurricane Carter's innocence. 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:09.280 You know, I need the rappers to make a song 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:13.080 about me. And we're all looking at each other. But 1:46:13.280 --> 1:46:15.920 here's here's the funny. He made a song about him. 1:46:16.320 --> 1:46:21.880 Yeah right, yeah, it was like that. So and then 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:25.519 by bottle number six, I would have left the bottom 1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:28.400 number two. There was dark. 1:46:28.880 --> 1:46:30.680 There was there was a point when we started talking 1:46:30.720 --> 1:46:33.280 about Dart and Marsha Clark and stuff. And then like 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:39.040 me and Scott's brother were like having that uh that 1:46:39.200 --> 1:46:43.360 trading places bathroom stall, feet raised. 1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:44.479 Up in the air so no one could see us. 1:46:47.479 --> 1:46:49.719 It was like, yo, are we all to be talking 1:46:50.880 --> 1:46:54.000 this sort of thing? Like we were like, we didn't 1:46:54.040 --> 1:46:57.000 know what we were. It was the weirdest three hours 1:46:57.120 --> 1:46:57.840 of my life. 1:46:58.760 --> 1:47:01.920 And so yeah, we that is a great fucking story. 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:06.240 That is a hard social situation to navigate. And I 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:10.760 find every social situation you introduced four bottle o j 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:14.400 into that, especially saying you gotta just give me, just give. 1:47:14.280 --> 1:47:19.840 Me a song he wants. H Yeah, and you know what, 1:47:20.080 --> 1:47:21.280 there are knives on the table. 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:26.160 Years later, jay Z gave him that song, just not 1:47:26.400 --> 1:47:27.639 quite the song that he wanted. 1:47:28.720 --> 1:47:30.519 Exactly what happened the second time. 1:47:33.880 --> 1:47:34.160 That was. 1:47:36.200 --> 1:47:59.040 Situation anyway, like that, don't worry about it, and uh, 1:47:59.720 --> 1:48:05.360 I'm Bill Sugar Steve. We are signing off Course of Supreme. 1:48:15.840 --> 1:48:19.559 West Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 1:48:19.600 --> 1:48:26.599 episode was produced by the team at Manadora. 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