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Speaker 2: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 2: was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 1: Yo Yo, what up, y'all? This is Fante giving you

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Speaker 1: this week's classic episode of QLs. On this one's comedian

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Speaker 1: producer and late.

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Speaker 3: Night old John Oliver talks about the craft and being funny,

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Speaker 3: the challenges of political commentary and being timed about it.

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Speaker 3: What he's thinking about when he brushes his teeth. That

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Speaker 3: was way too much information, and that time he pissed

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Speaker 1: Life war and I remember this after ships.

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Speaker 3: Why this episode seventy one from February fourteen to twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: This was one times man, y'all check it out. Feel

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Speaker 3: Les classic John Oliver fun to look Yessar.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe in the handouts, yeah, quest bags or gimmes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I ask you, John Oliver, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Recuse her something.

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Speaker 4: Brema so supremo role called Suprema Supremo role.

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Speaker 3: My name is Spante. Yeah, And I thought I was pimping. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: until I went to the church a perpetual exemption.

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Speaker 6: So Suprema Son Son Supremo role called.

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Speaker 7: My name is Sugar, Yeah, and yeah I'm Yiddish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could be worse. Yeah, I could be.

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Speaker 8: British son Son Supremo roll called pay Bill.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, q ols we added Yeah, I'm sister act too.

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Speaker 1: Back in the habit.

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Speaker 6: Supremo role car Suprema Son Supremo roll.

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Speaker 11: Bill is here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're just clowning. Yeah, we don't give for what. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Supremo Supremo roll came Sumo Son Son Supremo ro like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we got him. Yeah, not trunk

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Speaker 5: quite yet. Yeah, get John out.

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Speaker 1: Of Supreme Supremo roll card.

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Speaker 12: My name is John. Yeah to your good day. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: you made this room smell like chick fil like.

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Speaker 1: Supremo role.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna take a bite of sandwich brevava.

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Speaker 11: Chick fil A.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Boss Bills, since you mentioned food, can we eat

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Speaker 1: while we talk? Homophobia never tasted so delicious.

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Speaker 11: That's your best line ever.

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Speaker 1: That should be their new tag man, Homophobia.

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Speaker 11: Never takes delicious.

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Speaker 12: Come hats each with us. You still have not given up.

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Speaker 3: Hell no, I haven't eaten it in a long time

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Speaker 3: actually for health reasons, but I mean not no, for Mara.

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Speaker 2: Stood wait, I should have solidarity for like a year

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Speaker 2: and a half. And then black Twitter told me that

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Speaker 2: now we're still eating Chick fil A.

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Speaker 5: Look for the summertime when the frozen lemonade come out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Twitter, frozen lemonade and the h and they lemonade like

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Speaker 3: just they in the in the peach that peach shakes,

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, and the.

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Speaker 5: Peach shake with the peach chunks in it only comes out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta get on it. You gotta get on

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Speaker 3: the melon list for that, like, wait, there's Chick fil

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Speaker 1: I mean you get there. Let you know, like the

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Speaker 1: new Snacks is about to drop. What's I'm waiting. I'm waiting,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I get it.

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Speaker 2: You get to w just so I know, because there's

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Speaker 2: one here because New York City, and yes, I know,

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Speaker 2: I haven't introduced our guests yet.

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Speaker 1: We got more important issues at hand New York City.

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Speaker 2: New York City only has what three chick fil A's right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: there's another one, so are there still lines around the block,

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Speaker 2: because when I used to do it to the Tonight

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Speaker 2: show that they used to it was like.

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Speaker 5: Waiting for it that you're looking at because he's like

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Speaker 5: the Chick fil A crazy that's his.

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Speaker 2: Boss Bill, he did, Okay, it's you. I'm more I'm

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Speaker 2: working the rules today. Yeah, our guest today is the

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Speaker 1: Uh. Time magazine has called him the comic agent of change.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's been in the game for twenty plus years.

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Speaker 2: He came to of course, national attention as the British

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Speaker 2: thousand and six, and he hosted his own called Classic

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Speaker 2: Bugle Podcasts with Andy's Alten in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 2: He was also the professor of one of my all

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Speaker 2: time favorite comedies Community Yeah with uh Boss Bill's.

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Speaker 3: Favorite's favorite artist, Donald Glove exactly.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he's now best known as the figure

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Speaker 2: upside down world that we live in.

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Speaker 1: His Last Week Tonight six Emmys winning sends me straight

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Speaker 1: on those point.

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to see an I mean, I get

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Speaker 2: it is last week Tonight on HBO continues to fight

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Speaker 2: the powers that be with the most skating commentary this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah man, he fights a power. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome

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Speaker 2: one and only John Oliver.

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Speaker 12: Tasty chup d.

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Speaker 1: So you know, well, I want I gotta ask how exhausting.

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 12: It is not a great sign when you of anyone.

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Speaker 12: It's pretty bad. I'm not gonna like to you. It's

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Speaker 12: pretty mentally, emotionally and even physically exhausting, right, because if

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Speaker 12: you're tense all the time, you know, chess players say

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Speaker 12: they but a lot of calories, and you think that

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Speaker 12: can't possibly be true, But apparently it's the nerves and

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Speaker 12: the concentration. So it's that I feel like I'm in

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Speaker 12: I mean, either really good shape or I'm about to die.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, well, I do, just mean just in general,

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, I know, I mean, obviously comedy has

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Speaker 2: to be a love of yours or first love. But

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Speaker 2: it's almost like now that you're stuck with here with

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Speaker 2: us in America, you're almost you're you're our go to, Like,

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Speaker 2: is there pressure for you too? In a clear and

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Speaker 2: concise way to filter the fears and the and the

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Speaker 2: and the and the concerns that we don't have because

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Speaker 2: we don't have the platform that you have that.

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Speaker 12: You I guess, well, that's well, yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 12: always it's pressure on pressure, right with with any job,

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Speaker 12: you kind of want to put yourself under the maxim

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Speaker 12: amount of pressure because you want to, like you want

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Speaker 12: to earn the position that you're in now, particularly with

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Speaker 12: HBO on a Sunday when I'm about to put you

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Speaker 12: to sleep like an unlicensed anaesthetist. That's that comes with

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Speaker 12: a lot of privilege, right because I get to say

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Speaker 12: whatever I want about whatever I want, so I don't

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Speaker 12: have to I don't have commercial pressures, we don't have advertisers.

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Speaker 12: I can talk for a long time. There's no one's

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Speaker 1: So that is.

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Speaker 12: That is a I don't take that lightly. I get

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Speaker 12: that I'm lucky to have the platform that I have,

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Speaker 12: so I try and use that. So we take big swings,

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Speaker 12: and you know, one of these days will take a

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Speaker 12: swing too big and it will all be over.

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Speaker 1: But I'd rather swinging than board. Absolutely, Can I go ahead?

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Speaker 7: Is there anybody saying that there's any limitations on what

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Speaker 7: you see? Like I I meant the worst possible thing

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Speaker 7: you could say that, you know, just without backing it up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: No, we've got to back it up. We have lawyers

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Speaker 12: and HBO as lawyers, so we have to back up

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Speaker 12: everything that we say otherwise we're in serious shit. So no,

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Speaker 12: that's that's why we work so hard to make sure

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Speaker 12: that everything has a factual basis to it.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise it's over.

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Speaker 5: So there is no list though this is there is

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Speaker 5: no you know, Carlin list.

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Speaker 12: Or no, there shouldn't be though because it's HBO, so

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Speaker 12: they shouldn't have that list. Or if they have that list,

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Speaker 12: they shouldn't tell me about it. I'm sure they have.

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Speaker 12: Maybe they do have people saying we don't want him

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Speaker 12: to talk about that, but that should never be communicated

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Speaker 5: A crazy question, But have you ever faced resistance since

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Speaker 5: you know you're speaking on US and world issues, but

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Speaker 5: you know from in your British I.

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Speaker 12: Mean, I've lived here for eleven years, so this is

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Speaker 12: my home right. I've got I've got an American wife,

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Speaker 12: and i have an American son. I have an America.

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Speaker 12: It's a very imperial way to say I have.

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Speaker 11: I have an American.

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Speaker 12: I've made an American I will make more uh so army,

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Speaker 12: I don't. I mean, I kind of I slightly resent

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Speaker 12: whenever people say you're not from here. That's a dangerous

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Speaker 12: road to go down because I've been here for eleven years.

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Speaker 1: It's my home.

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Speaker 12: I have some skin in the game, so I kind

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Speaker 12: of call bullshit on that idea. I'm here because I

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Speaker 12: love it, Like after this show, I'll stay here. I've

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Speaker 12: love with someone not at their best.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's true love. So you were you were born

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Speaker 1: in Birmingham.

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Speaker 12: My family is from Liverpool and I was raised in Bedford,

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Speaker 12: just about an hour north of London.

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Speaker 1: All right, So for those that aren't, because you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of thiss, just think UK, oh London.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like is there? What's what's the main difference? Like

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Speaker 2: you know for us, you know New York is different

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Speaker 12: I can give you some parallels. Right, Liverpool probably, you know,

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Speaker 12: once a strong industrial town, the industry died of the

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Speaker 12: shipping industry, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, maybe Detroit, Troit big music history,

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Speaker 12: you got Detroit, Birmingham, Birmingham would be you Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, what was the industry in Birmingham?

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Speaker 11: What was it was?

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Speaker 1: It was?

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Speaker 12: I think it was a lot of factory I can't

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Speaker 12: actually remember what it was. I was only there for

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Speaker 12: six years. That was there for the first six years

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Speaker 12: of my life. So yeah, I don't know what. I

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Speaker 12: can't think of what the exact one was.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you you.

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Speaker 12: Bedford is now north of London, so that would be Jersey.

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Speaker 12: You're in some version of a large town.

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Speaker 1: In Jersey there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd lived there for like maybe three years, so

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Speaker 2: I only know you were in London. Yeah, uh, Kinnish town.

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Speaker 12: Okay, I was South I lived in like around the

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Speaker 12: Brixton tells Hial Crystal Crystal Palace.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, yeah, you were in the hood. Wait what why not?

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Speaker 1: Why I've never No, No, I just never heard white.

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Speaker 12: The most racist thing? What absolute animals down there?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying that, No, I know of no

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Speaker 2: white person that's like, yo, I represent South London Like

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Speaker 2: that would be why you told me that you grew

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Speaker 2: up fifteen thirty Sedway Avenue.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: I think it's that's just where my friends were. So

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Speaker 12: also it was affordable, you know, because a struggling comedian

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Speaker 12: you're probably going to go to some of the cheaper

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Speaker 12: areas of London. So now I loved it down there,

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Speaker 2: Because I feel that comedy is one of the hardest

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Speaker 2: forms of entertainment because you can't.

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Speaker 1: With me, I could do the same set.

445
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the audience might get bored, but I

446
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Speaker 2: can do the same song they expect, the same song, Yeah,

447
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: whereas you can't do you have to constantly no.

448
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Speaker 12: Although there was that great Richard Pryor a bit where

449
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Speaker 12: he talks about people mouthing along ye to bits that

450
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Speaker 12: he was doing and then getting mad if he changed

451
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Speaker 12: it at all. He just was saying, motherfucker didn't say

452
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Speaker 12: that on the album, right, But that is rare because

453
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Speaker 12: his standard was so great.

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Speaker 1: It was like music, right you.

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Speaker 12: Literally I would listen to those albums like I would

456
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Speaker 12: listen to a music album and look forward to something

457
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Speaker 12: that was coming, So you would your brain would be saying, oh,

458
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Speaker 12: I can't wait until he says this bit the way,

459
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Speaker 12: the perfect way that he says, the way his voice

460
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Speaker 12: sounds when he says it. That is not the case

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Speaker 12: with comedy generally, where it's like chewing gum.

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Speaker 1: So what's the general rhythm?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And to take us back to your early comics, like

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Speaker 2: what's your general rhythm of preparation of seeing it a

466
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Speaker 2: testing a joke to see if it works? How long

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Speaker 2: do you let it stand in your repertoire before I.

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Speaker 12: Guess, like when you're first starting off, the key steps

469
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Speaker 12: you're going through. I don't know if this is the

470
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Speaker 12: same as for music. Right first, you're just learning how

471
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Speaker 12: not to humiliate yourself, because the reaction to comedy is

472
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Speaker 12: pretty binary, unluck with music, Like they're either laughing or

473
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Speaker 12: they're not, So there's no you can't really you can't

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Speaker 12: pretend things are going better than they are. So you

475
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Speaker 12: get a pretty good sense from an audience about whether

476
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Speaker 12: you've done the job that you were supposed to be

477
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Speaker 12: doing or not by the sounds coming out of their mouths.

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Speaker 12: So the first phase is can I do that? Can

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Speaker 12: I basically do this? Can I do I have the

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Speaker 12: mechanics in me to make somebody laugh. Once you've got that,

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Speaker 12: then you've got to decide, well, what do I actually

482
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Speaker 12: want to do with this? Like how what if I

483
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Speaker 12: can practically make people laugh, then what do I want

484
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Speaker 12: to make them laugh about?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 12: What do you what's your voice? What's your comedic voice

487
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Speaker 12: really going to be? That's the thing that takes a while,

488
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Speaker 12: but that's the thing that's really satisfying.

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Speaker 5: So was your voice always the same voice.

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Speaker 1: Or did it even it changed?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 12: Because first you just it's like survival. Most you'll just

493
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Speaker 12: say anything you can to make the audience laugh because

494
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Speaker 12: what you're frightened off is the sound of your own footsteps.

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Speaker 1: As you leave the stage, what was your first like, yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: I got them?

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Speaker 12: Like do you remember like what it was like to

498
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Speaker 12: like in the first gig like that I ever did,

499
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Speaker 12: where just literally making people laugh for the first time

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Speaker 12: from something that came in your head. That's a moment

501
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Speaker 12: of going, oh shit, I got them. I just made

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Speaker 12: that noise myself. But the much more satisfying thing is

503
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Speaker 12: when you first do it with a degree of difficulty,

504
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Speaker 12: when you first realize that you're talking about something that

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Speaker 12: you want to talk about, that they might not want

506
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Speaker 12: to hear about, but you're making them laugh anyway. That

507
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 12: that is when it gets more exciting taboo elements. Yeah,

508
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 12: or just like it feels like again, if you're in

509
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Speaker 12: the back room of a pub and people are exhausted

510
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 12: because they've been working all week, and you want to

511
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Speaker 12: talk about something that they might not want to hear about,

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Speaker 12: then there is a degree of difficulty on that die.

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Speaker 12: It's like the Olympic dive, right, you're taking that you're

514
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Speaker 12: not just doing the straights. Oh, I'll make fun of

515
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Speaker 12: things that I know you're going to find funny, and

516
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Speaker 12: I'll enter the water and you'll throw out numbers. This

517
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Speaker 12: is like I'm deliberately making this hard for myself because

518
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Speaker 12: I want to make you laugh at something that you

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Speaker 12: wouldn't ordinarily do.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever, do you ever find yourself with a

521
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Speaker 1: challenge of.

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Speaker 2: Serving your audience versus serving your eight comedic peers that

523
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Speaker 2: might be in the back of the bar watching you.

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Speaker 1: Sure, like what.

525
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Speaker 2: Prevents you from doing your version of the Aristocrats? Just

526
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Speaker 2: to make those eight guys lad that you know the joke's.

527
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Speaker 1: Going to go over in the audience here.

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Speaker 12: I mean, look, ideally, if you get the if you

529
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Speaker 12: get the alchemy of it right, you're going to find

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Speaker 12: a way to play to your version of the back

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Speaker 12: of the room, but being more inclusive in it so

532
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Speaker 12: that because what comedians will generally laugh at is something

533
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Speaker 12: that you know might might be more difficult or that

534
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Speaker 12: an audience might miss, or they'll just laugh at you.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 1: There was a gig.

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Speaker 12: There was a gig in Edinburgh, the Edinburgh Festivor, which

538
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 12: is amazing every every August that basically everyone in comedy

539
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 12: goes up to Edinburgh and it was called Late in Life.

540
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Speaker 12: It started at one in the morning and it was

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Speaker 12: a bare pit, a rough, rough room. So they would

542
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Speaker 12: when that audience turned on you. You they would tear

543
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Speaker 12: or tear comedians apart, and so there was a bar

544
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Speaker 12: downstairs with a feed of what was going on. And

545
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Speaker 12: you knew you were in trouble if you started seeing

546
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Speaker 12: comedians like walk in at the back because they were

547
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Speaker 12: there to watch you die.

548
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Speaker 1: So it is how do you deal with hecklers?

549
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Speaker 2: And because you don't seem like the I'm not trying

550
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Speaker 2: to judge you, you don't seem like the dudeou be like, motherfucker,

551
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Speaker 2: I'll come down and be like.

552
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Speaker 1: You ever see the clip of the guy that like

553
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Speaker 1: has the guitar in his hand and he just over much.

554
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Speaker 12: That is that is exactly how I behave motherfucker, I'm

555
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Speaker 12: going to smash your face. Hold on, let me go

556
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Speaker 12: get my guitar. You stay here, No, I mean, I

557
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 12: don't you know. I generally when I do gigs now,

558
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 12: it's generally theaters the people who come to see me.

559
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Speaker 12: So heckling is within a certain range, right, So people

560
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 12: will shout stuff out, but it's I love you. That's

561
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Speaker 12: There's not There's not much you can do.

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Speaker 1: Play.

563
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Speaker 12: Free bird is a heckle that transcends industry.

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Speaker 2: It goes someone did that to his one that of roots,

565
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Speaker 2: what do you wish for? They knew, but well, I mean,

566
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Speaker 2: do you like prepare like ahead of time.

567
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I got this one for this guy.

568
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Speaker 12: No, because again, there's probably two ways to do that.

569
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Speaker 12: At the start, you know, there's a there's a bunch

570
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Speaker 12: of lines that hack lines that you can use to

571
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Speaker 12: shut people down. And when you're starting off doing comedy,

572
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Speaker 12: you might just want to contain that situation right, because

573
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Speaker 12: it's just about trying to avoid bullets, whereas now it's

574
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Speaker 12: sometimes it's more fun like to be if you're a

575
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Speaker 12: bit more present in a room to try and engage

576
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Speaker 12: with what someone is trying to say. Again, the people

577
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Speaker 12: the things that get shadowed me are generally a little

578
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Speaker 12: more constructive. But also I'm slightly fascinated with the idea

579
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Speaker 12: of someone who would heckle. I would never heckle.

580
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Speaker 1: I don't have the balls to heckle.

581
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Speaker 12: And I know that sounds perverse from someone who is

582
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Speaker 12: standing on the state right now.

583
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Speaker 3: You just don't go against somebody with a microphone like

584
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Speaker 3: that's that's that's true, that's my thing.

585
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Speaker 12: I'm like, Also, I just wouldn't want that kind of

586
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 12: there's a lot of responsibility to shout out.

587
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Speaker 2: So you're saying that even in your world that you're

588
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Speaker 2: in now, a call out from the audience or a

589
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: disruption of your narrative is a yes.

590
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Speaker 1: I know. In what do you call it? An improud comedy,

591
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: everything is a yes and you just go with whatever.

592
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Speaker 12: I'm easily distracted when I'm doing stand up, so like,

593
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Speaker 12: if someone shouts out normally, well, what's this guy's deal? Wow,

594
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 12: what's he shouting at? And if he's angry, this can't

595
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 12: just be about me. It's clearly there are some other

596
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 12: things happening in his life that I'm becoming a lightning

597
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 12: rod for.

598
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Speaker 1: His frustration and hopefully rather than the security will eighty six.

599
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Speaker 12: Although yeah, I don't get that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

601
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Speaker 12: Maybe I don't attract rough enough crowds.

602
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Speaker 5: I was gonna say at this point, you know, the

603
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Speaker 5: trunk stragglers, they're not like coming to your show.

604
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Speaker 1: Although although I.

605
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Speaker 12: Did do have you ever done that? What's the odd

606
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 12: ball festival that I did? Jones Beach, It's it's pretty bad.

607
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 12: It's just a bunch of comedians doing outdoor gigs and

608
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Speaker 12: I've never done that before. It's an awful place to

609
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Speaker 12: do comedy, and there's too many people a comedy generally

610
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 12: haven't worked in that many years, and especially outdoors, so

611
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 12: it's you can risk playing to the lowest comedy denominator.

612
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 12: It's just kind of unite people that aren't there to

613
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Speaker 12: see you. So I did Jones Beach and there was

614
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Speaker 12: definitely some Trump supporters there and I walked about half

615
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 12: that audience. That's eight thousand people. I walked four thousand people. Shit,

616
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 12: yeah really yeah?

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Speaker 5: So what did I feel like on today?

618
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Speaker 12: Like, it's kind of an amazing feeling because it's a

619
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Speaker 12: very stupid situation, right, you realize they're all going, and

620
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 12: you could see, because it's outdoor, you could see the

621
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Speaker 12: car park, you could see cars leaving. I could see

622
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Speaker 12: the tail lights leaving in the distance. So it's a

623
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 12: pretty clear sense of this gig is not going very well.

624
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Speaker 12: But it was fun.

625
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Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.

626
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Speaker 5: Damn.

627
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Speaker 12: I want to know who they came to see someone

628
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 12: before me?

629
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Speaker 2: I think, is where you are now in your life?

630
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Speaker 2: Is it more important than the search for the truth

631
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: or the funny? Are you still about like where's the funny?

632
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Or is it just like I have to tell the

633
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: truth and the truth is just funny.

634
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Speaker 12: It's both like you should. You should because you know

635
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 12: the truth on its own. You're literally not a comedian,

636
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 12: then I don't know what you are.

637
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Speaker 1: Are you a poet? I don't know. That's not commedy.

638
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Speaker 1: You have to or do you still consider yourself a comedian?

639
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the only thing I consider myself.

640
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Speaker 1: Still, it's odd news for you, you transcended. I consider

641
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: you like a real reporter.

642
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 12: No, No, it's odd because sometimes that that question gets

643
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 12: phraised by some journalists as a compliment, I think, or

644
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 12: is it as what they perceived to be a compliment,

645
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 12: saying do you see yourself as just a comedian? And

646
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 12: there's a there says slight offense. I take to that

647
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Speaker 12: with not just a comedian.

648
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Speaker 1: That's my face.

649
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 12: I hold that to a very high level. That's my

650
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 12: favorite thing in the world to be. It's all I

651
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 12: ever wanted to be. I think just a comedian.

652
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Speaker 2: But I think comedy is you know, before really before

653
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. Okay, well, actually start with Bush.

654
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: So let's let's see the Clinton era. Let's say nineteen

655
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Speaker 2: ninety nine. I mean comedy. I figure it was more

656
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: of a thing that we went to escape and just

657
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: laugh and laugh and laugh and then get back to life,

658
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: whereas like now, you know, I can't wait to see

659
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: SNL's weekend update, and I can't wait to see what

660
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Seth has to say, and I can't see your show

661
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: and Daily Show and Trevor.

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Speaker 12: It depends what you want it for, though, Like it's

663
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 12: still this comedy is escapism, but still there. There's still

664
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 12: great absurdist comedy. They're still just fun stand up around

665
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 12: Jim Gaffigan. It's still he's as funny.

666
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: As he's always been.

667
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 12: Yeah, you don't go to him necessarily to have him

668
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 12: like explain the world to you just go for like

669
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 12: the release of like Guttural Laughs, So that still exists.

670
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 12: I think it's like the comedy stays the same, right,

671
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 12: It's just the world changes sometimes so that people are

672
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 12: wanting different things from it, but the sense of escapism

673
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 12: will always be there. Even I think there's a sense

674
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 12: of escapism even in the kind of things that my

675
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 12: show does, where you know, even though you're trying to

676
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 12: frame complicated subjects sometimes for people in a way that

677
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 12: they will learn something and laugh at it, you're also

678
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 12: trying to get to a sense of catharsis. So like

679
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 12: if you're unpacking the world, you're trying to have it

680
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 12: be a cathartic experience. If they're feeling terrible about something

681
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 12: they've just watched, laughing at it can be cathartic in

682
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 12: a way. So there is a sense of escapism even

683
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 12: without actually escaping.

684
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: But do you let people's perception of the show influence

685
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 5: to stand up? Because I wonder, like, do you feel

686
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: the pressure when you do your stand up to be

687
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: keep it political?

688
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 12: Keep it really because that's the beauty of stand up

689
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 12: is you can talk about whatever you want. You're completely

690
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 12: accountable to yourself, so it doesn't you have total control.

691
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 12: I don't know if you found like that, Like with

692
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 12: a DJ set, you can do whatever you want right,

693
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 12: You're making your own decisions and you live or die.

694
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Boce it's it's harder to buy it the years go by,

695
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: my resistance to hold them hostage and see me as

696
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: the curator and the leader versus I really need their

697
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: love and adoration and approval. So I'm gonna play this

698
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: Migo song. It's it's by the year it becomes more

699
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: of a slow compromise where and that's my fear, Like

700
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the old guy that yeah,

701
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: that just needs adoration and approval. So I'm gonna, you know,

702
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: but yeah, every every day I'm on like, you know,

703
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: blocks that I shouldn't be on before.

704
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 12: That sounds really healthy. It's always gonna be a balance, right,

705
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 12: isn't it between what you what you think, what the

706
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 12: audience has come for, and what you.

707
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Want them to have come for.

708
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 12: Right, You're gonna there's gonna have to be a blend

709
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 12: of that.

710
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but it's it's so hard now because I

711
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: think the way that life is now, everything is about

712
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: it's more gray matter as opposed to black versus white.

713
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: Like I used to think, you know, stuff that was

714
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: effective versus things that I personally like, and I just

715
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: happen to personally like things that aren't, you know, necessarily

716
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: that popular. But I'm also wise enough as a businessman

717
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: to know that I have to serve my audience. So

718
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: it's always again like, am I playing to the back

719
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: of the room to the comedians that are watching me?

720
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: Or am I playing to the audience that I you know,

721
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what like it, I don't know if you.

722
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying if you value the intelligence of the

723
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: audience that you're seeing, I would think that you think

724
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: that if they're seeing you, that.

725
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 12: That's what's a little easier, because I guess when you

726
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 12: start stand up, what you're doing is basically inflicting yourself

727
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 12: upon an audience that ask for you. Right, So if

728
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 12: there's like five different comedians on, there's absolutely no reason

729
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 12: to expect that they're going to be on the same

730
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 12: page as you, Especially if you're taking like low percentage shots.

731
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: You're thinking, this is this is something I really want

732
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: to talk about.

733
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 12: You're probably not gonna want to hear about this, So

734
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 12: there's gonna be an element of friction there. Now when

735
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 12: you start to find your audience, like the benefit to

736
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 12: doing that. The upside of it is that if you

737
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 12: can just start growing your own audience and squeezing out

738
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 12: the people that are just not going to like it anyway,

739
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 12: then the lower percentage shots become hyper ses.

740
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: This is brilliant.

741
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: Where do you Where do you work out of because

742
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: in the club circuit a lot and I never really

743
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: see you.

744
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 12: I used to I used to bounce up all the time,

745
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 12: but now I've got a TV show and a family.

746
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And it's harder.

747
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: It is like, are you are you watching the is

748
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: it a Viking funeral? Slowly watching the boat of comedy?

749
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: That's going into your new life there?

750
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 12: That's that's the thing, because it's like, it's addictive. It's

751
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 12: the thing I love most in the world, right it's

752
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 12: and there is a there is a slightly there can

753
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 12: be a debilitating side to it as a lifestyle, especially

754
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 12: live comedy. So it's like, you know, it's it's like

755
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 12: if you if you liked Heroin and you thought, oh wow,

756
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 12: well this is really great. I'm going to devote my

757
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 12: life to this and be a really tremendous committed Heroin addict,

758
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 12: But I want to have a family. Am I going

759
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 12: to watch Heroin disappear at the distance. This may not

760
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 12: be the perfect analogy, but I get miserable if I

761
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 12: haven't done stand up for that long, So I try

762
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 12: and do it as often as I can. Even John Stewart,

763
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 12: while he was running The Daily Show, was trying to

764
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 12: get up.

765
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: He was trying to get up.

766
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 12: Every few months he would do a gig somewhere, not

767
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 12: because he needed to, but because.

768
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: He had to. He had to do it. And you

769
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: know what you need to.

770
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 12: Well you mean, do you need to just to stay

771
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 12: in shape? Yeah, right, yes you do because after you know,

772
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 12: the first gig back after a while is not good.

773
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 12: Like I did some gigs over over New Year, and

774
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 12: the first one I did up in Connecticut, remember walking

775
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 12: off stage going oh shit.

776
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: And was it the crowd? They weren't respondib No, they

777
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: were really.

778
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 12: But that's the problem, right, because when you get to ald,

779
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 12: you not this is a luxury problem, but it's a

780
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 12: real problem, right because if you you can get bad

781
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 12: at stand up real quick, when you get successful, you

782
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 12: can fail lovewards. Yeah, because you just you there is

783
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 12: so much good will you're on fumes from that audience

784
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 12: and you can kind of cycle downhill. And so yeah,

785
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 12: they were a really nice audience. I think they had

786
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 12: a really nice time. I wasn't good. I don't think

787
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 12: they noticed that, but but it's very important that I

788
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 12: noticed it.

789
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, how can you tell you weren't good?

790
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 12: Like because you're not like it doesn't feel right, you're

791
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 12: not thinking fast enough, Like you're just a little bit off.

792
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 12: It's like like when the athletes come back and they

793
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 12: go and you like if you didn't know anybody got oh,

794
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 12: he played pretty well and they say there was half

795
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 12: a step yeah, or you like in football, like in

796
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 12: English football when they're when they'll just say he's just

797
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 12: half a step behind. This isn't quite right and it

798
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 12: feels the same way. The problem is if you if

799
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 12: you let, if you let an audience enjoying, you be

800
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 12: that your sole barometer, you can get bad. That's where

801
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 12: you see comedians get successful and then get not very

802
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 12: funny quick.

803
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 5: So how do you know when you're good because if

804
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 5: they're laughing regardless.

805
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 12: I guess it's like an internal You've got to have

806
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 12: that internal sense of what your own, your own sense

807
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 12: of quality control so that you can walk out of

808
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 12: a gig that's gone really well and think I was

809
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 12: bullshit there, or walk out of walk out of the

810
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 12: gig that's gone badly for them and thinking, eh, they

811
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 12: might be.

812
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: A little bit wrong. Do you have a Neil Brennan

813
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: or a Chris rack in your life? Neil and Chris Rocker, like.

814
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: The comedians go to disapproving dads. Yeah, like I've never

815
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: seen and I'm talking about top shelve. Established comedians will

816
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: always want those two to come to the show and

817
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: like borderline abuse them.

818
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

819
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: Anything, and this is Seppelle humor, like they they need

820
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: their two cents, just a yeah, you just want to

821
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: have someone those people in in your your your crew.

822
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 12: That definitely like for the for the show that I

823
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 12: write for HBO, that's that's all of us work together.

824
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 12: And then Tim Carvell and I who run the show.

825
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 12: He kind of he's very good at being a kind

826
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 12: of a comedic conscience to kind of that might be

827
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 12: a little cheap, you know you, I don't know if

828
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 12: you need to say that. For stand up it really

829
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 12: helps to have to have friends that you respect, who

830
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 12: you can Helle might roll their eyes at a joke

831
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 12: that just like did really well in the Laoides, going

832
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 12: ooh man, that's some low hanging fruit you just feasted on.

833
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: In my mind, is there like a group a supportive

834
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 5: group text between you because Bill Maher, I say Bill,

835
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 5: but he's a single man, so it's a little different

836
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 5: in that way. But Bill Maher, John Stewart, Steve Colbert

837
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 5: just being comedians the TV show Family Men, Like do

838
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 5: you guys help each other through these journeys?

839
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 12: It's a particular like the TV show thing. It's a

840
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 12: very particular job and that demands a certain amount of thing. Yeah,

841
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 12: and so you kind of end up having more in

842
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 12: common with people that you might not have a.

843
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Lot in come with otherwise.

844
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Speaker 12: They're like John Stewart was a hugely important person obviously

845
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 12: in my life, and you know, Colbert I look up

846
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 12: to very much. They're not entirely peers. So, I mean

847
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 12: I text with Seth Meyers a lot because we did

848
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 12: our shows around the same he was working for S

849
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 12: and when I was working at The Daily Show, and

850
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 12: then we got our own shows at similar kinds of times.

851
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 12: We weirdly got married a similar times, had kids are

852
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 12: similar times. So yeah, there's I think we feel like

853
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 12: we probably have a fair sense of what each of

854
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 12: us going through, even if we don't know what each

855
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 12: other's doing that day.

856
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 3: Is there a difference between stand up funny and TV

857
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: show funny very different? Yeah, Okay, what's what's the difference?

858
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 3: It's like, are there jokes that you have and it's like, okay,

859
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 3: this was killing the club but on the show.

860
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's yeah kind of. I mean, it's I guess

861
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 12: it's the way that you would write for me in particular,

862
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 12: Like our show is pretty tight, so there's not room

863
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 12: to make jokes breathe necessarily, and also especially for those

864
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 12: big stories that we do, the jokes are always in

865
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 12: service to a very focused story, whereas stand up can

866
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 12: be more erratic because you've got like an hour and

867
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 12: a half to talk about whatever you want at whatever

868
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 12: pace you want.

869
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: What do you think it is about foreign I'd use

870
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: that term loosely hood for comedians like particularly you and

871
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: another one of my favorite comedians, Jim Jefferies, Like, you

872
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: guys have the most biding commentary about you know, the

873
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: United States, and this ship makes so much sense? Is

874
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: it just I guess maybe kind of being an outsider

875
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: and li like, what the fuck is going on for it?

876
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 12: Like for comedians generally work better as outsiders anyway, they don't.

877
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 12: Most comedians that you love don't function particularly well in society.

878
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 12: These are people. These aren't people I can find it

879
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 12: easy just being alive in regular cities.

880
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: Were most well adjusted high school.

881
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 12: So so like having a sense of being an outsider

882
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 12: in life generally is a boon as a could be

883
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 12: as an aspiring comedian, Like if you're literally not from here,

884
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 12: if you're literally from outside the country. There's you already

885
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 12: have a different eye on things. Now For me, it's

886
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 12: like it's a blend again because I came here as

887
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 12: a full on outsider. So when I was first, it

888
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 12: was definitely a sense of what the fuck.

889
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: Are you doing?

890
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 12: This is all crazy? Now it has shifted a little bit.

891
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 12: Right now it's what are we doing? It's not you anymore,

892
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 12: it's we because this is my home. So there is

893
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 12: still a sense of being an outsider, but it's honestly

894
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 12: less than it was. Right, I've got an immigrants crush

895
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 12: on this country.

896
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: I love it here, So.

897
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's not It's not the same thing as

898
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 12: saying this place is ridiculous and laughing at it from

899
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 12: a distance. This is laughing at it from inside.

900
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: What was the most ridiculous thing like coming when you

901
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: came here eleven years ago?

902
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: What was the most thing that you saw when you

903
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: first got here was like, what the fuck?

904
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 5: Like?

905
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: What was the biggest culture shot?

906
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 12: I went to a Walmart for the first time. I

907
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 12: couldn't believe how big it Walmart. Oh wow, I couldn't

908
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 12: believe referenced. I thought they were famously.

909
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 5: Warm English.

910
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: No I no, No, I thought, he said Warmart. I

911
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: was like, is this a new white supremacist?

912
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 12: Not necessarily not everything is a new white supremacist more

913
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 12: than it used to be, to be honest. What that's

914
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 12: the there there are still certain words as in the

915
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 12: English accent that slide by American ears. It's that it's

916
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 12: an odd it's an odd thing, like even with like

917
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 12: automately phone lines, sometimes I have to adopt an American

918
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 12: accent to make myself understood. So yeah, maybe Walmart is

919
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 12: one of them. Walmart I went to. I went to

920
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 12: a Walmart. It was just like so big. It was

921
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 12: just so big, and I remember the socks were so cheap.

922
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 12: I've never seen socks that cheap, and I was amazed

923
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 12: and then immediately felt there's a problem here. It can't

924
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 12: be that cheap without people getting hurt.

925
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: You don't know the joy of life until you've been

926
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Speaker 2: into a twenty four hour Walmart super in the morning.

927
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that was my dream because it was after a

928
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 12: show that I've done something. So it's out of town,

929
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 12: I thought, I can I can buy any of this.

930
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: It was.

931
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: Mind blowing.

932
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, like all that choice for all but all the

933
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 12: bargains built on such human suffering.

934
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Speaker 5: A gun depending on what.

935
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, at three in the morning, no questions asked.

936
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: So can you explain, besides your actual name being in

937
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: the title, what were were the general differences between working

938
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: on The Daily Show with John Stewart and doing your

939
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: own show.

940
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Speaker 12: Well, I guess it's a Cosmetically it might look similar,

941
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 12: like again, the mechanics of it, it's very, very different.

942
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: So I knew how to.

943
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Speaker 12: Work within that machine, especially because like when John left

944
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 12: for that summer, I kind of stepped stepped into his

945
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 12: shoes for.

946
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: A few months. Yeah, so I forgot I did.

947
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 12: I did a version of his job less well for

948
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 12: three months, so I kind of ran ish that show.

949
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 12: I ran it a little bit for that for that

950
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 12: few months.

951
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: Why are you chosen? Was I chosen? And was it

952
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: awkward for you to accept it?

953
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: No?

954
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 12: It was terrified because he called me and said, I

955
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 12: got that movie I've been working on. I'm going to

956
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 12: direct it. So I was kind of, oh, that's nice.

957
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 12: This this feels like something that I didn't see what

958
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 12: was coming, right, So that's an odd thing to decide

959
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 12: to call me. How many people you call it today?

960
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 12: And then he said so I'm going to be gone

961
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 12: for a few months, will you host the show? So

962
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 12: I just said yeah, I'll do whatever you want and

963
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 12: then hung up the phone was sh So I just

964
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 12: said yes because I would just I say yes to

965
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 12: anything he ever asked me. But then I did not

966
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 12: think about what I just said yes to until I

967
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 12: put the phone down. So then I went to his

968
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 12: office the next morning and said, Hey, well you really

969
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 12: want to do this? Are you sure about this?

970
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: You mean, yeah, you'll be fine?

971
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: No?

972
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: No, my go with Samitha were you know? I mean?

973
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: But was it? Is it awkward being no?

974
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 12: Because we were doing slightly different jobs, again than it

975
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 12: might have looked like. I was writing on the show

976
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 12: as well, so I was more embedded in every single

977
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 12: part of that show than the other correspondents were. So

978
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 12: I was there every minute of every day. So it

979
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 12: was it was a much easier transition for me than

980
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 12: it would have been for a correspondence one of the

981
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 12: other correspondents to do it. They would have all been

982
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 12: able to do it. It was just it was easier

983
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 12: for me.

984
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that, because having visited the Daily

985
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: Show a couple of times, that's one of the most

986
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: exhausting things I've ever witnessed.

987
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is I mean, what's the process like for research? Like?

988
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: Because someone has to sit and watch.

989
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: Everything fast news for four hours a day just to

990
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: get that one sound?

991
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 5: How many someone?

992
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 12: So I can't speak to that show anymore because the

993
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 12: show that I worked for literally doesn't exist. And I

994
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 12: worked for John, So I don't know what Trevor's done

995
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 12: to change that process.

996
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: I know when you were there, when you were there,

997
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: when I was there, When I was there, there was

998
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: did interns have to sit and watch it?

999
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 12: Not so much interns, because it was there was a hole.

1000
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 12: By that point, there was a whole footage department that

1001
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 12: we're looking at clips and that were presenting clips to

1002
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 12: the writer's room early in the morning, and so you

1003
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 12: were kind of what those They had curated clips that

1004
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 12: were interesting already, and so you were watching those together

1005
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 12: and everyone's coming up with ideas, and then assignments would

1006
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 12: go out and then you would have like one hour,

1007
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 12: maybe an hour fifteen minutes to write your first draft.

1008
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 12: There wasn't much margin for error in that day, right,

1009
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 12: you miss a deadline at ten fifteen in the morning,

1010
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 12: at eleven o'clock or at eleven thirty, you're in serious

1011
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 12: shit at six o'clock. It was tight that process. I

1012
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 12: don't know if that is that if they make it

1013
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 12: exactly the same way now, but we the way it

1014
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 12: was under John was that was a tight process.

1015
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: So the way that I mean things were just as

1016
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: crazy with the Abound administration, with the but to say boys,

1017
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: the Trump administration. So what if something were to happen

1018
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: at two or five pm and you still got that

1019
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: four hour winter before the show starts and you know

1020
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: it's going to be newsworthy?

1021
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 12: Is it just how you can do a little bit,

1022
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 12: but you've got four hour before the show starts, but

1023
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 12: there's a lot of production that needs to happen to

1024
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 12: make graphics, cut the soots, so that four hours gets

1025
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 12: dissipated down real quick. So the rules just so you

1026
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 12: can make you can make changes to a certain extent. Again,

1027
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 12: this is how it used to be. I don't know

1028
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 12: if you're going to be on time for or more

1029
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 12: or less on time for. When you start taping the show,

1030
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 12: you know that there is a certain amount of changes

1031
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 12: that you have budgeted in your time and in everyone

1032
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 12: else's time that you can make because it's all cogs

1033
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 12: in the machine, right, and you can screw someone asking

1034
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 12: for something that they can't do in four cogs time.

1035
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: So something say if the Daily Show were now and

1036
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: say that Trump fire is more in at four pm

1037
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: and you already have your show set, are you guys

1038
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: just like okay, we'll deal with that on tomorrow's show.

1039
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 12: That again, I don't know now, but then the practice

1040
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 12: then was that we would say something for two three

1041
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 12: minutes at the start, and then John was sad, we'll.

1042
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: Talk about it tomorrow.

1043
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 12: Now the I think it's changed a little bit now

1044
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 12: because the pace has increased so much that people want

1045
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 12: stuff quicker. So we were making that show before Twitter,

1046
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 12: so like there's there was a window which you haven't

1047
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 12: seen all the jokes on it. It was interesting watching

1048
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 12: the State of the Union last night. They're going live,

1049
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 12: so that finishes. Guess he finished pontificating at like ten thirty,

1050
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 12: So they're like daily shows on it travels on at eleven,

1051
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 12: seems on at eleven thirty five. You have not got

1052
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 12: much time to digest that. And also you're still late

1053
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 12: in a way because because there's a bunch of jokes

1054
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 12: that have gone around while he was still talking. So

1055
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 12: it's it's difficult. The pace of things have changed to

1056
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 12: the point that I think the process that I was

1057
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 12: involved in under John Stewart is slightly more arcane than

1058
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 12: you would imagine.

1059
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: Do you think your job would be easier if Hillary

1060
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: hit won, if we had someone else and others?

1061
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: It's the same.

1062
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 12: It's the same, the pace of things. It's difficult in

1063
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 12: a different way.

1064
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 5: Okay, so fast forward to last week tonight. Now you

1065
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 5: have a plethora of information of the pace is moving faster,

1066
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 5: and you have to decide how what you can put

1067
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 5: in this show in the week.

1068
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 12: So for us now, those decisions are different because those

1069
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 12: big stories that we do so basically from like after

1070
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 12: the first ten minutes what can sometimes be like twenty two,

1071
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 12: twenty five five, sometimes over thirty minute stories. Those things

1072
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 12: don't shift because those have been we've been working on

1073
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 12: those for weeks and there is they've been you know,

1074
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 12: been legally checked. Often they're irrelevant to the week as well.

1075
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 12: It's just when I start talking about it, it's not like, oh, yeah,

1076
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 12: I knew you were going to talk about diabetes medication.

1077
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: No, it's dope. Usually just making us aware of something

1078
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 5: that we haven't thought about or something.

1079
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, but the start of the show changes, right, So

1080
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 12: the kind of decision process that we go through in

1081
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 12: our heads are like, if something crazy is happening on

1082
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 12: a Monday or a Tuesday, we're not gonna let's all

1083
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 12: those bones are going to be picked pretty clean of

1084
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 12: meat by all the different shows and the concept of

1085
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 12: jokes on Twitter. There's nothing really much that we can

1086
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 12: add to that. If something happens at four o'clock, five

1087
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 12: o'clock on a Thursday, that starts to change because then

1088
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 12: you know, at that point, Steve Seth, Samantha's off, they can't.

1089
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 12: There's there's no that orfuls to us. So from that

1090
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 12: point on Thursday five o'clock, any ship that goes down

1091
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 12: is ship that we need to eat in process.

1092
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: So for you, you hope that Thursday morning is just

1093
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: a sweet spot for you to get the goods early.

1094
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: Is it even important to get the goods early? Yeah,

1095
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: because you're the king of the Mountain and.

1096
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 5: It's Bill Mak's Bill Mark.

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Speaker 1: Counter Damn.

1098
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 5: So the next question I was gonna ask doesn't mean

1099
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 5: anything because I was gonna say this, Bill mar even

1100
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 5: a factor because he's live on Friday.

1101
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 12: No, it doesn't really make it. We do, we do

1102
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 12: different things. It really doesn't make any difference at all.

1103
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: So Okay.

1104
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: Another good reason why I'm glad you're here is because

1105
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: of the time that we live in now, especially with

1106
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: the orange laught of the me too movement is is uh,

1107
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: for some shows, one of them I won't name, uh

1108
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: you know, there there's like a checklist like, oh, this

1109
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: guest can't come up on the show, this guest can't

1110
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: come on the show, this.

1111
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: Guest, you know, it's just like it's going to be awkward.

1112
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: And even for this particular show, there's about three or

1113
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: four guests that we were set to have on the

1114
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: show that now it's going to be kind of awkward

1115
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: because I don't know if I'm you know, at least,

1116
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean, this show is under two years old, so

1117
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not at the fully confrontational point of like, okay,

1118
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: pointing out white elephants that easily.

1119
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: How hard was it? What was going through your mind

1120
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: the morning that you had to interview Dustin Hoffmann?

1121
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 12: So what yeah, my show, I don't those I haven't

1122
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 12: aready thought about. Last guess is because we don't have guests.

1123
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 12: So that's actually not something I've ever had to go through.

1124
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 12: So and the only reason I bring that up is

1125
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 12: it was that's what made that a different experience. So

1126
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 12: they'd like, they did you.

1127
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Try to get out of it like, well, in a

1128
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: sense I did.

1129
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 12: And I offered them a chance for me not to

1130
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 12: do it, because they'd ask me to do it months before.

1131
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 12: I don't do many of those things. I don't think

1132
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 12: I'm going to be doing many of them. But so

1133
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 12: they said, here's that you want to do this like

1134
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 12: the dog screen. I said fine. Then they said, oh,

1135
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 12: Dustin Hoffin might be there. So I said to them, oh, okay,

1136
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 12: if that's true, you might need to get someone else

1137
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 12: because I would need to ask him about something, so

1138
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 12: that's up to you. And they went, oh, I don't know,

1139
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,959
Speaker 12: I don't know, or maybe you know, maybe you won't

1140
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 12: be there. Then I find out week of think we

1141
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 12: think he's going to be there. So then again there's

1142
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 12: the sense of okay, then it's you might need to

1143
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 12: get someone else unless if you if you have a

1144
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 12: problem with what I feel I would have to bring

1145
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 12: up and they said, no, it'll be fine, And I

1146
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 12: think I said that they like the publichers and no,

1147
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 12: not the public like the it was the Tribeca Institute.

1148
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 12: That's that's the that was the charity event there was

1149
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 12: for it's the charitable branch of the Tribeca Film Festival.

1150
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 12: So then we're kind of locked in. I could not

1151
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 12: turn up just ghost the whole event. But that feels

1152
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 12: like a pretty monumental act of cowardice. Uh So I knew,

1153
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 12: So I just I did research. I thought about the

1154
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 12: best way to have a conversation he'd already made. It

1155
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 12: was one of those kind of bullshit pseudo apologies written

1156
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 12: by a publicist, kind of de facto admission without quite cross.

1157
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: The categorically deny. No, not not that I'm sorry, it

1158
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: was the work.

1159
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 12: It was the sometimes the categorically deny. I kind of

1160
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 12: got no problem with that's a point of.

1161
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: View, right, But when I hear that, I know publicists

1162
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: ruled it.

1163
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 12: Oh sure, But at least then there was a firm

1164
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 12: ground of I am going to this is I'm going

1165
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 12: to die on this hill. It did not happen, right,

1166
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 12: his his his statement for the bubbles. It was more

1167
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 12: I apologize to her if she felt upset. That's the

1168
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 12: stuff that's that this does not reflect who I am.

1169
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 12: That drives me nuts. So I wanted to unpick that statement,

1170
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 12: and then ah, it's escalated from.

1171
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: There, is it? Is it like all right?

1172
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, like that whole i'll see you after class

1173
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: sort of thing, and you and you're like, you know,

1174
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: is it was it that was your heart racing? Or

1175
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: i'll see you after class? That's not a level of bravado.

1176
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 12: As a high school I capitulated in conversation it was

1177
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 12: if it was ever i'll see you after class that

1178
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 12: you won't day in the classroom, I'll wake you out.

1179
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 12: I'm not coming outside. I'll hide behind the teacher.

1180
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 5: But it could have gone either way, though the hands sweat?

1181
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: How do you?

1182
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

1183
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 12: Yeah? How many horrible?

1184
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: An hour? Was it an hour? Was it a ninety

1185
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: minute thing? Like wouldn't you timement?

1186
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: Like?

1187
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: Okay, like forty five minutes? I'm gonna you know what,

1188
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: that is a great question.

1189
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 12: So because it's like it's a there's an audience have

1190
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 12: come to see Whack the Dog. Also, this this introduction

1191
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 12: is happening before the movie starts, So this is this

1192
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 12: is the needle that I'm having to thread. So I

1193
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 12: thought twenty minutes. Let's talk about what the Dog whatever.

1194
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: Then I'll raise this I didn't so at first, and

1195
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: then have a Q and A afterwards.

1196
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 12: I think I think they wanted to leave. I think,

1197
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 12: like the people on the stage wanted to go and

1198
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 12: have dinner or whatever.

1199
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 12: I wasn't invited anyway, they so I thought I talked

1201
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 12: about the movie for twenty minutes half an hour, because

1202
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 12: that's what people come to see. Raise this issue. We'll

1203
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 12: see see how long that takes. God, I can't remember. Oh,

1204
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 12: I think actually it was a forced segue, because.

1205
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: No, it was.

1206
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 12: Actually it was he said something that was a little

1207
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 12: glib about Also, you gotta remember, Whack the Dog is

1208
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 12: a movie about it's been in sexual harassment and or

1209
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 12: assaults within that we don't know in that story that

1210
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 12: was then buried and not addressed, and the and the

1211
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 12: way that you could powerfully bury it. So there is

1212
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 12: a gigantic elephant in the room. The very fact that

1213
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 12: this is the movie, is that he's sitting there talking

1214
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 12: about the fact that he or that anyone thought I

1215
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 12: wasn't going to bring it up is crazy to me.

1216
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 12: It kind of makes me think, what how little do

1217
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 12: you think of me. Did he not going to bring

1218
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 12: this up?

1219
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: Does he does he know? I mean, you know they

1220
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: could like he might want to talk about the issue, and.

1221
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 12: Did they tell him? Maybe I have no idea.

1222
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 5: But here's the question. See in even when you ask

1223
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 5: that question, like what did he expect? I think a

1224
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 5: lot of interviews, especially lately, everybody's trying to navigate what's

1225
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 5: the right way to go about this? So you kind

1226
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 5: of broke the mold with that. And I don't know

1227
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 5: if anybody else has followed it up in that way.

1228
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 12: I mean, it wasn't a thing. It wasn't on TV, right,

1229
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 12: this is just at the ninety second street. Why so

1230
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 12: what I was trying what I wanted it was I

1231
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 12: wanted to with any of these issues, They're all different,

1232
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 12: every single example is different. So it was a case

1233
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 12: by case by case basis. But you want to try

1234
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 12: and get to some introspection because in lots of these stories,

1235
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 12: it certainly makes me introspective, right in terms of workplaces

1236
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 12: that I've been in, like behaviors of my friends of

1237
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 12: mine that I may have like conveniently overlooked or turned

1238
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 12: like a long calloused blind blind eye to it. So

1239
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 12: it's it's this has really made me introspective. So the

1240
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 12: fact that there was absolutely no introspection coming out of

1241
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 12: him was irritating to me. And so he was like

1242
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 12: retreating from the position that he was, that he'd made

1243
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 12: in that statement and was standing his ground and then

1244
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 12: was coming at me, and I definitely was not gonna yield.

1245
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 12: So then we had a problem.

1246
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: So then like the.

1247
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 12: Funny now the dog, Well, that's the crazy thing is

1248
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 12: that you know, it's not that's not a very friendly

1249
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 12: audience for me there, because there's lots of fans of his.

1250
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 12: I didn't this was not a situation of mind making.

1251
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 12: I personally don't believe that the problems of my questions

1252
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 12: they were his answers. But there's still part of my

1253
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 12: head which is thinking, I got this kind of goes

1254
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 12: back to your early thing about what a thinking about

1255
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 12: what an audience wants. What the audience wants at that

1256
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 12: moment is for the tension to stop and they can

1257
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 12: watch this movie, which is fine. And so I was thinking, Okay,

1258
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 12: we've talked about this enough, let's bend this background. So

1259
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 12: I had a I can't remember what it was, but

1260
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 12: I had a way to get back to talking about

1261
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 12: Wag the dog. So we talked about that for another

1262
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 12: half an hour, but then he brought it back up

1263
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 12: because he wanted to go.

1264
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh, so I couldn't get is the audience reaction though?

1265
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 12: Fully like, no, no, I mean it was free bird,

1266
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 12: you know, free buds would have been a great tension.

1267
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeh, next time, audience, And what do you you have yo?

1268
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 5: So let me just ask you then on the subject,

1269
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 5: since you said you were introspective about the me too

1270
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 5: the times and a lot of people, a lot of

1271
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 5: women are feeling some type of way about men's reaction,

1272
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 5: men's vocal ability to speak on the subject. You have

1273
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 5: a new season starting in a week. Number one, how

1274
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 5: do you feel and what do you feel that something

1275
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 5: should be said from the male perspective? And number two,

1276
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 5: how are you going to do that on your show?

1277
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 12: I mean, I think something definitely should be said about

1278
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 12: from the male. I think it's important for men to

1279
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 12: talk to other men about this. It's not it's it's

1280
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 12: definitely not important for men to explain to women that

1281
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 12: this is an important issue.

1282
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: I want you to sit down so we can have

1283
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: a talk.

1284
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: But it is important for men to say it out

1285
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 5: out in front of women so that women understand you

1286
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 5: two counters.

1287
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: I guess.

1288
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 12: But look, it's such a complicated conversation. I think it

1289
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 12: is important. I've I've talked to friends of mine about it,

1290
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 12: like it's it's this is conversation that a lot of

1291
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 12: us have avoided for kind of understandable reasons.

1292
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: With friends.

1293
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 12: Right when you see your friend doing something gross, you know,

1294
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 12: there are many very damaging inclinations to go, ah, that's

1295
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 12: just I know him.

1296
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: He's not like that. He's not like that to you

1297
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: trying to fuck you. That's that.

1298
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 12: But that's the thing, like you, I've met a lot

1299
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 12: of as these stories have started coming out, and sometimes

1300
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 12: I've thought, oh, that's weird. He was really nice to me,

1301
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 12: And you think, yeah, he probably fucking was nice to me.

1302
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: He's man.

1303
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, but it's easy, like lots of the people have

1304
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 12: a natural charisma, and it's no one is just one

1305
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 12: thing either. It's it's complicated, like you say, it's there

1306
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 12: are shades of gray here. Not only is every single

1307
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 12: situation different, but.

1308
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 5: Uh, it's also allowed to play with comedy wise, and

1309
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 5: not for nothing. I'm just saying.

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Speaker 12: Definitely, definitely, and in an in a fun way because

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Speaker 12: it's a minefield and it's fun to run through minefield requirements.

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Speaker 5: What's the eligibility is like?

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Speaker 12: So yeah, I think it is important to I'm we're

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Speaker 12: working on We're working on a whole bunch of stories

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Speaker 12: at the moment. We're working on something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what.

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Speaker 12: We've got to work out what we can add to it, right,

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Speaker 12: what hasn't been said, and what we could say that

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Speaker 12: would be constructive and funny.

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Speaker 1: It's a blank canvas though, real, So we should have

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Speaker 1: Russell on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think we should naturally just with.

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Speaker 12: Just play whack the Dog for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, because I think after a while it's

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Speaker 2: just like everybody. Yeah, in about three years, it's just

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Speaker 2: gonna be.

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Speaker 12: But it's not binary. Again, It's not like everybody's guilty

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Speaker 12: for start. That's such that's so depressing, that idea that

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Speaker 12: everyone's good. That's the kind of level of cynicism that

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Speaker 12: even I don't have, right, But I do think the

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Speaker 12: important thing is for everyone to be introspective about it.

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Speaker 12: I think you've got to look at yourself and your friends,

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Speaker 12: and it doesn't not not every incident is going to

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Speaker 12: require the same response.

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Speaker 2: But so had he not just want hair doesn't not

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Speaker 2: said or try to walk back the statement a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The whole point of you calling him out on.

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Speaker 12: It was wait, did you just undo the statement that

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Speaker 12: you said that? Yeah, I think the post we have

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01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 12: to talk about this. We're again, we're wag the Dog,

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Speaker 12: the movie about sexual harassment that was squashed. So if

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Speaker 12: you don't think this is going to come up, that

1344
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 12: is a level of indestructibility, which is in itself a

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 12: real problem here. So, uh no, there was a way

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Speaker 12: for that to go much smoother and be more interesting.

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Speaker 12: And I don't think it was tally my fault that

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Speaker 12: it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Go that way. Fight the powers that being heisty chunk d.

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01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: So where we are now with year one with this

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Speaker 2: current administration, I mean, I go back to my first question,

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Speaker 2: which is how exhausting is it?

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Speaker 1: How do you have any hopes that Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: complete question, hope, end of question.

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Speaker 2: I meant, you know, I know that a lot is

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Speaker 2: being put on you know, God, please let these midterms

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Speaker 2: have a turnaround.

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Speaker 1: Do you have faith?

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Speaker 2: Do you have faith in in the system still in

1360
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Speaker 2: American people or you know, my thing is that if

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Speaker 2: Russia did it once, Russia will do it twice.

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Speaker 1: And of course you know, will will we be Okay?

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Speaker 1: The twenty eighteen will we be here? You're going to

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Speaker 1: put that on me? Will we be? Will? Will we

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Speaker 1: be here in two thousand and eight?

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Speaker 12: I mean, I guess there's there's degrees to that, right.

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Speaker 12: I think if the if you're holding up the midterms

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Speaker 12: as this kind of perfect silver bullet that's going to

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Speaker 12: make everything okay, that is not going to happen. So

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Speaker 12: you think we're gonna get four years of Trump? Four years,

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Speaker 12: there's no reason to do. I think we're going to

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Speaker 12: get eight years. There's a non zero chance we're getting

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Speaker 12: twelve years of him, you really think so.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Even if I can't be here

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Speaker 1: on earth that happens.

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Speaker 12: But he is not this this is he is a

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01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 12: deeply unpleasant human being. But the ship that he stirred

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 12: up doesn't stop just with him, right obviously, So if

1379
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 12: the midterms flip, if he goes, there is someone else,

1380
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 12: the shit load of stuff still to deal with in

1381
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Speaker 12: its wake, the fact that he's churned up all all

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Speaker 12: the problems with white nationalism. I'm only because you mentioned it.

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Speaker 12: I'm not pointing to white we used to be. Yeah,

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01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 12: all the kind of dog whistle racism which is now audible,

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Speaker 12: which has now just become human whistle racism. That even

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Speaker 12: that speech loss oh night last night, talk about it,

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Speaker 12: the MS thirteen directly, that's some pretty toxic ship. And

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Speaker 12: that doesn't go away when he does.

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Speaker 5: How about the slave reference? Don't forget about the slave reference.

1390
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Speaker 5: When he pointed out the owner, the white owner of

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Speaker 5: the business who just expanded into another building, and then

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Speaker 5: he says, oh, and the black guy over there, Corey,

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Speaker 5: he's a good worker. He works for that guy right there,

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Speaker 5: and you know what he's gonna do with his tax break.

1395
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Speaker 5: He's going to take his tax break, he's going to

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Speaker 5: buy a house, and he's gonna get education for his

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Speaker 5: two dart.

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Speaker 1: How can you.

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Speaker 5: Because it was racis And I knew that a lot

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Speaker 5: of people didn't plantation race, but I did because somebody

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01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 5: needed to have the reference.

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Speaker 12: Of yeah thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I was waiting for.

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Speaker 12: The thing is he is the he is the conductor

1405
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 12: of racism, is still going to be that when he's away.

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Speaker 5: She can't wait for the black man to come out

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Speaker 5: who had sex, will.

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Speaker 12: Be those bigoted bassoons are still after twelve is stick around.

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Speaker 1: But your girl recar her story the stormy, stormy weather,

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: stormy Dan she like, she was like, no, it never happened. Yeah,

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01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: how much did they give her?

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01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 12: She's dancing? She moon walked it back, but then she

1413
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 12: shuffled forward again.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not it's she camera walked, move forwards,

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: camera walking, shout James Brown. Yes, yeah there was.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, she was dancing around it on Kimmel. We'll see

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01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 12: where she lands. But yeah, she uh, she moon walked backwards.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure I'm certain that you know there was

1419
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 2: another one hundred thousand dollars check written to go on

1420
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: and just say she's on a powerful.

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01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 3: But she had already admitted to it like two other

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Speaker 3: times back in the past, and both of those stories

1423
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Speaker 3: were the same, and they were.

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Speaker 12: So she's I worry about too much attention on the

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Speaker 12: storm with Daniel's think, because who gives a ship his wife? Sure,

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01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 12: I get how you would care, I get how she

1427
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 12: would be piste off. Otherwise, this is this is not

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Speaker 12: in the top one hundred things that we should be

1429
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 12: really concerned about. What is happening right now. It's it's certainly,

1430
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 12: it's certainly funny.

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Speaker 9: I think it just shows the double standard. I think

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Speaker 9: I think that's why it's become such a popular story,

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01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 9: because it'sause it's shown the double standard. You know, if

1434
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 9: it was Obama that had sex with the porn star,

1435
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 9: then he would have if.

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Speaker 1: Obama had liked an Instagram picture of some model chick.

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: But this is not the first big double standard. No, no,

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's just you know, another in the long

1439
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: line of Yeah, and is that new?

1440
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 5: I mean, you could tell us better than anything, John,

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01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 5: I mean, I know you've been for a let years,

1442
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 5: but when you're watching these stories, does it seem a

1443
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 5: little different than what's going on in England?

1444
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 12: A politician in England who was found dead masturbating with

1445
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 12: with a orange in his mouth. Please don't sure he had.

1446
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: Sex with a sound mirror episode it was.

1447
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 12: I think it was a Satsuma Clementine story. I just remember,

1448
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 12: that's a hell of a way to go baby.

1449
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: Nutrition environment. He died as he lived in search of vitamin.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, I mean, Brittain is wrestling with a whole

1451
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 12: different kind of problems that Brexit is going to tear

1452
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 12: Britain and Europe apart for decades to come. So that

1453
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 12: is a whole different ship storm a little bit too.

1454
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: No, that is not on him, on him, where is

1455
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: that coming up? Remember to be like the ignorant generals,

1456
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: like can you still weigh in on issues over there?

1457
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 12: Like where you mean does anyone who hear it from me?

1458
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: No? I guess I guess not.

1459
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 12: You know, in the in the same way that people say,

1460
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 12: I don't want to hear it from a britt over here.

1461
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 12: You moved to American I'm a man without a country.

1462
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: So break down to brexit like for those of us

1463
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: like word exactly, it.

1464
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 12: Was a fucking stupid thing to do. Uh it was, well,

1465
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 12: I gain the first stupid thing to do was to

1466
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 12: call a referendum on it at all. So it was

1467
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 12: a like an incredibly self serving decision made from a

1468
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 12: prime minister who's not prime minister anymore, and the fact

1469
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 12: he made that decision will taint his record for the

1470
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 12: rest of his life. He should be he should struggle

1471
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 12: to sleep over calling that referendum. Then then you're getting

1472
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 12: into the complexities of the fact that the EU which

1473
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 12: will set up, you know, for good reasons, with good intentions,

1474
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 12: which is not perfect, which is flawed. UH has irritated people,

1475
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 12: irritates everyone, every everybody in it is irritated. You don't

1476
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 12: you know, you don't get to live in a perfect

1477
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 12: world all the time. And then there was a lot

1478
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 12: of anti immigrant stoking, race baiting, completely bullshit data where

1479
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 12: people will promise money that would not.

1480
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: Come back to them.

1481
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 5: That's where we start. Trump came in.

1482
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 12: There is it's made, that's the same ze. Source of

1483
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 12: discontent is UH made both decisions possible, both decisions which

1484
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 12: seemed like they would be impossible, made them plausible. And

1485
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 12: then of course like so that it made it did

1486
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 12: mean that having watched Brexit happened and it was just

1487
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 12: heartbreaking to watch that happen, knowing what that will do

1488
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 12: to Britain and to Europe.

1489
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: So how long does that How long do we have

1490
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,520
Speaker 1: until that actually.

1491
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 12: Takes until it happens where we then negotiating now, so

1492
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 12: they instituted this article, so they're involved in these literally

1493
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 12: impossible negotiations right now.

1494
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: So so even when it does happen, that means what

1495
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: that is a that.

1496
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 12: Is a question you should ask the Prime Minister of

1497
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 12: the u K and the head of the EU it's

1498
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 12: not it's not clear. It's not clear who will be

1499
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 12: allowed to live where, who will be able to trade

1500
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 12: with whom. It's not clear if there will be a

1501
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 12: hard border in Northern Ireland again, which I don't know

1502
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 12: how much you knew about the trolls and here it

1503
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 12: didn't work out too well last time. There it is,

1504
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 12: it's almost it's almost bamboozling. The depth of complexity and

1505
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 12: problems with Brexit is absolutely mind blowing. So it's all

1506
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 12: you can say for sure is this probably isn't going

1507
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 12: to go well. But if I can flip that question

1508
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 12: back on you, is it going to be okay?

1509
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 3: I meka tell me it's going to be okay.

1510
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'm only asking because well again, this also leads

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01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: to the again back to exhausting impression. How real is

1512
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: the quote unquote John our effect in your head? Like

1513
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: do you wake up in the morning brust.

1514
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: Your teeth flight.

1515
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 12: I'm not even effective in shifting plot.

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01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: Or I'm just saying that.

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: Again, it's what does it make you paranoid that as

1518
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 2: quick as like Americans are world famous for building someone

1519
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: up just to tear them down, Like, so are you

1520
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 2: paranoid that you have so much. You you kind of

1521
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 2: have a power that sort of extends past what John

1522
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: Stewart was doing. And I hate to say that I

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Speaker 2: don't anything.

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Speaker 12: Honestly, don't know that's true at all. I think that

1525
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 12: the general effect seems like, I really it's bullshit.

1526
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: You're going to say it's a reach. You're going to

1527
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: say it's a reach. I know that. Let me just

1528
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: say it. I'm just saying that. I'm just saying that.

1529
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 1: I know you're going to think it's a reach. But

1530
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, are you at least on defense

1531
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: not on defense?

1532
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 12: I think I'm more aware if if I really think

1533
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 12: about like try to tap into your.

1534
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: And then oh, look for anything to discredit you to Oh.

1535
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 12: I mean, of course we've had like we've done stories

1536
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 12: about Russia, North Korea, and you know, I went to

1537
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 12: meet Snowden in Russia, so we've had like higher level

1538
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 12: cybersecurity for a while. I have a I have a

1539
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 12: healthy amount of paranoia, but I guess I guess in

1540
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 12: terms of my motivations for things, I basically I'm trying

1541
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 12: to think about this as honestly as possible. Right, I

1542
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 12: still fundamentally refute the premise of like this nebulous John

1543
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 12: Oliver effect. What I will say is I am cognizant

1544
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 12: of the fact that just by the by dint of

1545
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 12: being on TV and on being on TV with a

1546
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 12: show that people watch forever reason, there is a we

1547
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 12: do have an amplifier effect. So, you know, I think

1548
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 12: the first time that nonsense term came up was in

1549
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 12: the wake of, you know, the net neutrality debate, the

1550
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 12: first time people have been talking about net neutrality for

1551
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 12: a long time. There's a lot of people that have

1552
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 12: been writing detailed articles and good investigative journalism.

1553
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1554
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 12: Right, we were an amplifier, right, So we have a

1555
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 12: louder voice. So I'm definitely colnisant of the fact that

1556
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 12: we have a loud voice. And that's probably the only.

1557
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 5: Loud diminishes it is that just loud.

1558
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: It's accurate, it's.

1559
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 5: Accurate, and it's understandable, like people all levels can understand,

1560
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 5: and it breaks things down and.

1561
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 12: That I'm aware of, Like when we talk, I'm aware

1562
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 12: that people will listen and generally will when we say

1563
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 12: if we're thinking about getting people to do something, I

1564
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 12: do think about you know, sometimes in the past, like

1565
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 12: like even if we're writing things on the Daily Show.

1566
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 12: I think it would be funny if you did if

1567
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 12: people went and did this and the joke is finished,

1568
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 12: and that you don't want them to actually do it.

1569
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 12: I'm much more aware now of the fact that if

1570
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 12: we say do something, people might do it. So like

1571
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 12: that the Chechen Forlord, so like when we were just

1572
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 12: asking people to fuck with he lost his cat, and

1573
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 12: so we were saying he lost it. He has this

1574
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 12: dumb cat and he lost it, and so he's very

1575
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 12: active on Instagram, and so we just said to people,

1576
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 12: take photos of any cat you see and send it

1577
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 12: to on Instagram saying is this your cat? That was

1578
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 12: the first point that I kind of thought, that's a

1579
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 12: funny idea. I wasn't really anticipated they did it hard

1580
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 12: and he was pissed, pissed off a check warlord. At

1581
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 12: that point, I'm thinking, I probably need to think through

1582
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 12: when I say do something, what what was happened if

1583
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 12: people actually did it?

1584
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what what areas you you along with

1585
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: that neutrality?

1586
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: Uh, you've taken on the tobacco industry like you've done

1587
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: a billion now, I mean Oprah tried this once.

1588
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: You could have put Oprah on me. Now that when

1589
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: she tried to go to the beef industry, they clap, clap,

1590
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: So you do it for the van, We do it

1591
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: for the bow van. I wish I have my sound

1592
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: effects class. That was awesome. What do you see a

1593
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: mountain you can't climb?

1594
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 12: No, because also with these stories, you gotta understand they

1595
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 12: know what's coming in. But we work with them, Like

1596
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 12: we're in contact with Philip Morris International as we're right

1597
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 12: in that story, just like we're in contact with coal

1598
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 12: companies that we talk about. There's a back and forth

1599
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 12: in Hey, this is what we're going to say about you.

1600
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 12: If you got anything to say about that. Oh, well

1601
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 12: that's not based on anything. Well, here is what that

1602
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 12: is based on. They know there has been we don't

1603
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 12: want to get anything wrong. So you know, if if

1604
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 12: there is correction, if things have been badly reported, we

1605
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 12: want to not amplify that bad reporting.

1606
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: But has there been an organization that has said no?

1607
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, Shad said no, like scientology or whoever

1608
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: you want to investigate, Like, who's the one organization that

1609
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 2: you're trying to.

1610
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: Sort of move past this, uh, this gate.

1611
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 12: That I don't know if there is one, right, I

1612
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 12: mean it's I don't know if there is like it.

1613
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 12: There's there's no condis, there's.

1614
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: No Fortnight subject to you that you will not really

1615
01:23:59,240 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: not really.

1616
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 12: It's because whenever we're taking swings, we're trying to engage

1617
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 12: the people that we're taking swings at, so that so

1618
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 12: that we basically agree on the underlying facts. We just

1619
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 12: might have different conclusions to those facts, right, But but

1620
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 12: those facts have got to be accurate, and so our

1621
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 12: key difference of opinion is what those facts mean. But

1622
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 12: so yeah, I mean, I don't I'm sure that there

1623
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 12: have been many companies that are pissed off with us,

1624
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 12: but they can't dispute what we actually said. They can

1625
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 12: disagree with our opinions, but they can't dispute the facts

1626
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 12: that we cided.

1627
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 5: Have you gotten any feedback from any I mean, any

1628
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 5: activists in the community. I'm curious more now than Daily Show.

1629
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 5: It feels like since you're changing some culture a little

1630
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 5: bit more informing, there'd be some folks call you up,

1631
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 5: like you know Al Gore, like I'm so glad that

1632
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 5: you did.

1633
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 12: Our Gore does not have my cell number. If he

1634
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 12: ever calls me on my phone, I'm throwing it in

1635
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 12: the river.

1636
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm burn. I don't go anywhere.

1637
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 12: I don't know anyone, So yeah, I live in There's

1638
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 12: not too many tentacles that people. But people pitch stories

1639
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 12: all the time and like as they do within our office,

1640
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 12: and we'll we'll look at them.

1641
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 5: Still, don't even think about it like that, Like now

1642
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 5: people are trying to get their word out through you.

1643
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 12: We don't really listen to many outside pitches, to be honest,

1644
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 12: So there's.

1645
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: No idea too silly, Like even the idea of you

1646
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 2: going to rush to interview him, that's a dumb idea,

1647
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 2: But that's that's literally asking for trouble.

1648
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 12: That was what's so exhilarating about it. Perhaps you just

1649
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 12: ask him because I thought I thought there was the

1650
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 12: thing that was mostly interested about with Snowden was he's

1651
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 12: an incredibly smart guy, but like lots of people that

1652
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 12: are smart in that particular way, he's not a great communicator.

1653
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 12: So like he releases incredibly important information for everyone to

1654
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 12: reckon with, and you might not like the way that

1655
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 12: he released it, but the fact is what he released

1656
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 12: is very important, but there's no value to that unless

1657
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 12: people understand it. So I wanted to I wanted to

1658
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,839
Speaker 12: try and find a way to deal with the contents

1659
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 12: of that material in the way that made sense to people.

1660
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 12: So we'd reached out through his lawyer to say, would

1661
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 12: you ever want to do an interview. Also, the slight

1662
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 12: connection was that I had to Snowden. Was that John's

1663
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 12: first day having left that summer Snowden happened. So what

1664
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 12: was supposed to be a very first, very calm, first

1665
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 12: day in the chair for me, of old whatever, it's summer,

1666
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 12: let's just talk about different things, all of a sudden

1667
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 12: the Snowden story erupts. So I've always felt kind of

1668
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 12: very tied to him in that way. We're both in

1669
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 12: trouble in a similar way. So I talked to him

1670
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 12: on his encrypted line here and then we went to

1671
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 12: Moscow and Russians were not pleased we were there. The

1672
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 12: American government, I don't think we're thrilled that we'd left.

1673
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 12: So you kind of end up pissing off everyone. But

1674
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 12: what did they say, customers when you came back?

1675
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 1: Like nothing?

1676
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 12: We were worried, Like we were worried that we'd split

1677
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 12: the tapes amongst the crew in case one of us

1678
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 12: got pulled. So at least me you'll go through.

1679
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1680
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 12: And the crazy thing is I forgot about this. I've

1681
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 12: never had this happen on a flight before. But they

1682
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 12: when we landed from Moscow, Uh, they said there was

1683
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 12: They said everyone stay in your seats, like the FBI

1684
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 12: here to pick up a couple of passengers. So me

1685
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 12: and my producers, but it was it wasn't us.

1686
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was. I was sticking around.

1687
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was. They got.

1688
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 12: They got to maybe they got two people. Think yeah, no,

1689
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 12: they were we were walking part they were.

1690
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: They were there.

1691
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 12: They they were walking past. So they were going to

1692
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 12: get people as they as they pulled off.

1693
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 5: So how did you know America was pissed there.

1694
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: Because we were.

1695
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 12: Ye reached out to them after we've gone, just because

1696
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 12: we wanted to fact check everything he'd said. He wanted

1697
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 12: us to do that because he didn't want information to

1698
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 12: no longer be currently.

1699
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: He wants to be right as well.

1700
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 12: He doesn't want to be giving out bad information. So

1701
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 12: we reached out to the NSA and said, this is

1702
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 12: the stuff that we were I'm sure, I am sure

1703
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 12: they knew we were there. If if they didn't know

1704
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 12: we were there, that seems like I don't think it

1705
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 12: was a surprise that we were there.

1706
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: Well, I'm being getting on between you and Rachel Meadow.

1707
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: My money's on you to to break up and it's

1708
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 2: current administration.

1709
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're back in the wrong horse.

1710
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 5: New season, let's go yeah that on a new season.

1711
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 5: Were there any stories that you were really wishing that

1712
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 5: you were on the air for.

1713
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 12: Not really, because we don't generally trafficking those. We do

1714
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 12: some slow cooking with our stories, so it's not we're

1715
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 12: operating in a slightly different, slightly different arena, So there's

1716
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 12: there's nothing particularly that we've missed that it felt like

1717
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 12: we were going to have much to add to other

1718
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 12: than everything. But you know, yeah, we'res When we were

1719
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 12: excited to come back, we got a bunch of ideas,

1720
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 12: some of which are related to everything that's going on

1721
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 12: and some of which not.

1722
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: It would totally kill you, but could you operate in

1723
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: a fifty two week.

1724
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 12: No, not making this show because we make mistakes, you know,

1725
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 12: it's just too intense that with making this particular kind

1726
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 12: of we could do a different show for fifty two weeks,

1727
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 12: but you can't do.

1728
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: This, So then that takes out my other question, could

1729
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: this be a daily No, okay, we could do it.

1730
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: We could do a daily show, but it wouldn't. You

1731
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: just can't.

1732
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 12: It's not physically possible. So it takes it takes longer

1733
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 12: to do this stuff. So we can only we can

1734
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 12: only do the amount of shows that we do because

1735
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 12: we need to build in breaks in the year where

1736
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 12: we're not doing shows, but we're still working because we

1737
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 12: getting If we make a big mistake, we're fucked right,

1738
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 12: because we've got we definitely have enough of a target

1739
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 12: on our back. Now that you get something wrong in

1740
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 12: a big way, it's kind of done.

1741
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 5: You want to tell us a little bit about what

1742
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 5: we're working on.

1743
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 12: What I've got in the slow coat. I don't know

1744
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 12: if we've got anything. That's one of the nice things

1745
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 12: I like about the show is I like the fact

1746
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 12: that you don't know what we're going to talk about.

1747
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 12: Right with lots with lots of late night shows, you

1748
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 12: basically know people are eating from the same buffet. And

1749
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 12: what's nice is that with those main that that main

1750
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 12: story that if we're going to say and tonight we're

1751
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 12: going to talk about charter schools, you think, okay, all right,

1752
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 12: let's see, let's talk about that's what we.

1753
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 5: Look forward to trying. Whatever schools is gonna be a

1754
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 5: story of charter schools. Don't really want to know.

1755
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 12: You know what, if we said it was no one

1756
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 12: would watch. We kind of have to trap you into

1757
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 12: watching something that you don't really want to see.

1758
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I think.

1759
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 5: But as a viewer, I'm already knowing you said charter schools.

1760
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 5: I want to know what the.

1761
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: Just you don't know.

1762
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 12: We have to explain this part of the writing, why

1763
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 12: something is important. So we were just like, guess what

1764
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 12: we're going to do something about Sinclair Board Broadcasting Group.

1765
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 1: People go, that sounds terrible. How many writers are in

1766
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: the room. It's not.

1767
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 12: It's not so much a writer's room in the traditional sense.

1768
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 12: But we have at the moment we have eight writers

1769
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 12: plus uh plus him and I. I think that's the

1770
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 12: current tally, and that's what we have right. We might

1771
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 12: we might get a couple more.

1772
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Speaker 5: Do I need to ardit your female male ratio? John,

1773
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 5: how your writer's room doing? How's it doing?

1774
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Two to six? Right now? You try to go to

1775
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: his show?

1776
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm just writers.

1777
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:04,839
Speaker 12: It's not yeah.

1778
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 5: To see where you fit in I'm to see if

1779
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,440
Speaker 5: I'm actually in there represented.

1780
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 12: That is entirely legitimate question. So two to six is

1781
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 12: not the balance that I'm happy with the moment. So

1782
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 12: we're in the process of trying to put that right.

1783
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,560
Speaker 1: I have to that.

1784
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 12: We're in the process right now of hiring You.

1785
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Just got somebody, no idea, no no, no, come on

1786
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: question question. Yeah.

1787
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 9: So we've we've talked a little bit about little bits

1788
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 9: and pieces about how the show is put together. Can

1789
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 9: you walk us through like an actual week is, like,

1790
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 9: you know, is every Monday pretty much the same.

1791
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Because it's not really like one week.

1792
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 12: So those those main stories were on four week cycles, right,

1793
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 12: So like there's a week of like just research to

1794
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 12: check that the story it's been reported accurately, that hasn't shifted.

1795
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 12: And then like another week of research and footage looking

1796
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 12: for footage whether there's the ingredients in terms of other

1797
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 12: people's footage that we can use to tell the story.

1798
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 12: Then we start writing two weeks out from the show.

1799
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 12: Then there's the week of the show when we're starting

1800
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 12: to really coffee fact check everything exactly this is bad.

1801
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 12: So those parts of the show are on four week cycles.

1802
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 12: The top of the show is on the one week.

1803
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 11: Do you have a difficult time like establishing what's success

1804
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 11: and what's not because there are some Sundays where the

1805
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 11: next on Monday, everyone's talking about what John Oliver did

1806
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 11: on his show, and then some there's not.

1807
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 12: I don't really pay much attention to that because we're

1808
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 12: already worried about the next one. So yeah, like if

1809
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 12: you if I paid too much attention to the ripple effect,

1810
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 12: I'd either go crazy, I'd get frustrated kind of litigating

1811
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 12: why people were not taking it because it's I think

1812
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 12: what I find frustrating when something does get passed around

1813
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 12: is you can't control the packaging. So all that shit

1814
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 12: clickbait terminology of oh he destroys this industry, that's not

1815
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 12: what happened at all. Right, that was not my intention

1816
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 12: at no point was that part of it. But the

1817
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 12: fact it's been packaged that way, Yeah, and it recontextualizes

1818
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 12: what you've done and it changes the way that people

1819
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 12: watch it, and that can be frustrating. Unfortunately, it's nothing

1820
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 12: I can do anything about. So that's not dead frustration.

1821
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 12: That's not being on message boards that you shouldn't be

1822
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 12: on there.

1823
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Look I'm just looking for remixes.

1824
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 12: For certain I'm trying to save you from yourself.

1825
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: We are are welcome to.

1826
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 12: It's basically an intervention with one different guest each week.

1827
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 9: I got one more question, So, were you guys actually

1828
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 9: surprised at how well or how much the internet took

1829
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 9: to some of the long form pieces that you got

1830
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 9: to do, because yeah, it's fourteen minute pieces.

1831
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 12: And fourteen it's way longer than look for a short

1832
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 12: short people like they are around twenty Like again, we've

1833
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 12: done more long show stories, longer than our show is

1834
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 12: supposed to be. So yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

1835
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 12: I don't understand why anyone watches it or enjoys it.

1836
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 12: I have more than enough self clothing to find my

1837
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 12: success inexplicable.

1838
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 3: No, your show is made for the iPhone. Man, It's

1839
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 3: and you, I mean, you break things down. I think

1840
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 3: that's what one of the reasons I watch it, you

1841
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 3: break it and explain it.

1842
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: I think one.

1843
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 12: I think the one thing that is really useful for us,

1844
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 12: especially being on HBO, is because these stories are running

1845
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 12: twenty minutes, like they have an arc to them where

1846
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 12: we kind of need your full attention so we can't

1847
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 12: be breaking twice for commercials in there. Otherwise it's you

1848
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 12: kind of lose people's focus and then you've got to recap.

1849
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 12: So it's it's very very important to us that there

1850
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 12: is not a commercial break in there, partly because we're

1851
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 12: sometimes talking about companies, but mainly because we need like

1852
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 12: uninterrupted attention for twenty minutes.

1853
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 5: Fish for a compliment for HBO, But do you ever

1854
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 5: look around and feel good about being on that network?

1855
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 5: Seeing as though it seems like they support between Vice

1856
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 5: and Bill and like they support this voice of say

1857
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 5: what you want to say as long as it's truth

1858
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 5: and politics.

1859
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 12: And I guess, I mean, I can only speak from

1860
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 12: my experience. I'm sure people have been annoyed by them,

1861
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 12: work for them. I can only speak from my experience,

1862
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 12: which is that they said, you'll do what you can do,

1863
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 12: whatever you want, and and but immediately you think, well,

1864
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 12: that's bullshit. Everyone says that, and that conversation turns really

1865
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 12: quick when you start doing things they don't want you

1866
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 12: to do, and they have kept their mouth shut.

1867
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 11: So Sesame Street was told the same thing.

1868
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: Want the cursing mumpets.

1869
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,759
Speaker 12: Curse, I want to talk ship about scientology.

1870
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 11: Subject I love scientology.

1871
01:36:58,360 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 12: Have you read you read that book?

1872
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I've read the books books incredible, No, not Dianetics.

1873
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 10: No, the What's Clear Going, yeah, the movie. Yeah, the

1874
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 10: book I was that was that was amazing. I couldn't

1875
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 10: put that from Fuddled the whole thing anyway.

1876
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 12: On the other hand, it's a series of mechanics that

1877
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,839
Speaker 12: can really help you turn you like. It really depends

1878
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 12: clear or Dianetics. I'd read that one first. This seems

1879
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,560
Speaker 12: like I'm an amazing human being that just needs to

1880
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:33,839
Speaker 12: access my full potential.

1881
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Have one last, one last question.

1882
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:37,919
Speaker 12: I really want to work on Tom Cruise's motorbike.

1883
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: What's it like to interview Stephen HARKing?

1884
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 12: Amazing? It was, honestly, Now, the reason I wanted to

1885
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 12: do that was that he's a funny guy. And so

1886
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 12: the thing about him that I find frustrating is that,

1887
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 12: you know, it's very, very easy to just objectify that

1888
01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 12: guy as being a brain beyond most of our comprehension

1889
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 12: and that's it. Whereas he's a really he loves comedy, right,

1890
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 12: loves the Simpsons. That's why he does appearances something, and

1891
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 12: I know he's he has a good sense of humor.

1892
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 12: So I wanted to try and get at that, and

1893
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 12: that's not easy, right, because of his physical circumstances.

1894
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: And so what we had to do was.

1895
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 12: Write that interview back and forth beforehand, and he would

1896
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 12: trigger it up on his computer. So I would say,

1897
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 12: how I'm going to ask you this question. Then he

1898
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 12: would like say he would say, oh, this be my

1899
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 12: answer because it takes him a long time to communicate

1900
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 12: now uh, and then he would have his answers queued up.

1901
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 12: But you could see like a glint in his eye

1902
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 12: because I wanted him to like this would be a

1903
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 12: shit talking thing.

1904
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to.

1905
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 12: It was really fun watching his face light up when

1906
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 12: he knew he was about to give me a give

1907
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 12: me the business, so yeah, like they like the anticipation

1908
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 12: on his face when he was about to drop a

1909
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 12: slam on me was fantastic. So it was great to

1910
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 12: just slightly waste his time.

1911
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 5: You just gave us an exclusive. I don't know, those

1912
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 5: are really his voices on like when he does the

1913
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 5: Simpsons and family guy.

1914
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a question. I was

1915
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 1: just that's not a question.

1916
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,759
Speaker 7: I just wonder if you had any background or education

1917
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 7: in journalism, or if you learned all these journalistic skills

1918
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 7: at your job.

1919
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 1: It's not comedy jobs.

1920
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 12: It's not just me, right, So the journalistic skills come

1921
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 12: from my staff. So we got people from the Timers magazine,

1922
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 12: from Pro Publica.

1923
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 1: So you have no journalistics.

1924
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 5: I have.

1925
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 12: I'm like a journalism adjacent like that. They they have

1926
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 12: worked in journalism. But you no, no, no, no, I'm

1927
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 12: a comedian, not just a comedian. I'm a comedian, which

1928
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 12: takes me back to when do you think you will

1929
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 12: go in front of an audience and just tell us

1930
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 12: why the chicken cross the road? And changing diapers and

1931
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 12: and oh you mean what?

1932
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1933
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Diapers to pussy really fast because I.

1934
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 5: Would never say Oliver to do that.

1935
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 12: I'm not I once I once had a friend in England.

1936
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 12: He offered me like he ran a gig and he

1937
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 12: offered me fifty quid to do a dirty set and

1938
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 12: he said, but you've got to do it for five minutes.

1939
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 12: And I was in agony. There was like grants in

1940
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 12: for we can talk about the tatars w Yates.

1941
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 1: I believe where is that?

1942
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 12: I don't have a blue set in me?

1943
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: You know what I think?

1944
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 13: Uh?

1945
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 2: I think I know that the taboo interview show that

1946
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 2: you could tackle. It would be crazy. And I know

1947
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 2: he's going to grant an interview. Who I think you

1948
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 2: should interview O J.

1949
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 1: Simpson. I would the juice.

1950
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 12: I would the juice loose on Mike. I would love

1951
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 12: to we know, I know Ezra, Ezra Edelman. Yeah, who

1952
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 12: might might the Yeah he probably our documentary. I watched

1953
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 12: that four times already, so I think, yeah, I think

1954
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 12: he might be looking for Ezra before he's looking for me.

1955
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Speaker 1: But or or jay Z.

1956
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Speaker 12: Oh, yeah, that's true. He's writing a song about me.

1957
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Speaker 12: That's great.

1958
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Speaker 1: Grammys. I was just praying to guy that jay Z

1959
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Speaker 1: won that award just so so we can get O J. Simpson.

1960
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Speaker 1: It is OJ Prize.

1961
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Speaker 11: Lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Think about that.

1963
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Speaker 4: I was.

1964
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Speaker 1: Even even more than Army Winsde. I think like it's

1965
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Speaker 1: I know he's in.

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Speaker 2: I know he's uh sort of putting feelers out there

1967
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Speaker 2: that you know he is the entry. Yeah, but I

1968
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 2: think it's more like for money, like the thing like

1969
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Speaker 2: I'll talk for five hundred thousand dollars.

1970
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Speaker 12: He's motivated by money.

1971
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Speaker 2: Crazy to believe it or not? Right, Yeah, but I

1972
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Speaker 2: would think that would be an awesome interview.

1973
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Speaker 12: Look, the thing I loved about AS's documentary was as

1974
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 12: a British person, my encounter with Oja was airplane onwards,

1975
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Speaker 12: airplane to murder. So when that, when that story came out,

1976
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 12: it was more in England. Oh that guy from that

1977
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 12: funny guy in airplane he killed someone and so it

1978
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 12: was what I didn't understand was everything before then I

1979
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:59,959
Speaker 12: didn't understand. I didn't like Kravins, I didn't. I understood

1980
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 12: he was a football player, but not exactly theology. I

1981
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 12: didn't understand the Hurts commercials.

1982
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Speaker 1: So uh, there was a.

1983
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 12: Lot in that I didn't know.

1984
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Speaker 1: Well, the the last o J, the party o J. Yeah,

1985
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: that's the OJ I knew. And you seen him dog

1986
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 1: the first time.

1987
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Speaker 12: We were going around her house, dropped him off.

1988
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Speaker 1: Seriously. I had dinner with oj one night. It was

1989
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Speaker 1: it was the surrealest thing in my life. What what?

1990
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Speaker 2: And so they see partly so I'm we're in Miami

1991
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Speaker 2: working on an album and not many people know.

1992
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Speaker 1: Well I don't know.

1993
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Speaker 2: If you know, you probably don't even know who Scott

1994
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Speaker 2: Storch is. Scott Storch is a former Roots member and

1995
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Speaker 2: he might be connected with some friends of ours. Way,

1996
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Speaker 2: hey whatever, anyway, he's saying friends of ours are also

1997
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Speaker 2: connected to OJ and they go golfing with him and everything.

1998
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Speaker 2: So I guess the stories that one of their wives

1999
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Speaker 2: was having a birthday dinner and Scott has ever so

2000
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Speaker 2: casually mentioned like, hey, you know, let's let's we were

2001
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Speaker 2: in the studio.

2002
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, let's go on a dinner break.

2003
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Speaker 11: So we Scott start dinner break, a three hour.

2004
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Speaker 2: Dinner break, and there was like, oh, by the way,

2005
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 2: OJ is going to be here too, And so think

2006
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Speaker 2: of like the the Last Supper. Oh my god, it's

2007
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 2: like a Last Supper scenario or or or very Got

2008
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 2: Fathers whatever, like just a circle of this thing of

2009
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: that whole Martin Scorsese thing where he's like all the

2010
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: characters and everything and Johnny two times and you know

2011
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Speaker 2: that got to get the pape, let's get the paper exactly.

2012
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Speaker 1: And so surprisingly, there's like the small children's table.

2013
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have this Thanksgiving thing there,

2014
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 2: it's like the big fans sit there in yeah, so

2015
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Speaker 2: on the side so on the side in the smarts

2016
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Speaker 2: thanks Giving a different story, but the side table situation,

2017
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 2: there's like an additional nine people and it's like me

2018
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:20,560
Speaker 2: Buster rhymes Scott Storts and O. J. Simpson, and you know,

2019
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 2: in the beginning was slightly awkward. I try to act

2020
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 2: as normal as I could, and he's like, yeah, you know,

2021
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 2: I used to have one of those. He's pointed at

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Speaker 2: my afro and stuff. And then another conversation, let's.

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Speaker 12: Go, let's go, let's go, let's go an ex life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. Four bottles of wine, and and then

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Speaker 1: like I don't want to be around drunkard.

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Speaker 2: You don't and then you want four bottles of wine

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Speaker 2: and he says to to Buster me and Scott, he's like,

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01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know her, Kate Carter, you know all

2029
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 2: the singers, Bob Dylan and them, they you know, they

2030
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 2: fought for Hurricane Carter's innocence.

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Speaker 1: You know, I need the rappers to make a song

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01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 1: about me. And we're all looking at each other. But

2033
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Speaker 1: here's here's the funny. He made a song about him.

2034
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, it was like that. So and then

2035
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Speaker 1: by bottle number six, I would have left the bottom

2036
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Speaker 1: number two. There was dark.

2037
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Speaker 2: There was there was a point when we started talking

2038
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Speaker 2: about Dart and Marsha Clark and stuff. And then like

2039
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 2: me and Scott's brother were like having that uh that

2040
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Speaker 2: trading places bathroom stall, feet raised.

2041
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Speaker 1: Up in the air so no one could see us.

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01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:49,719
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, are we all to be talking

2043
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: this sort of thing? Like we were like, we didn't

2044
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Speaker 1: know what we were. It was the weirdest three hours

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Speaker 1: of my life.

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Speaker 12: And so yeah, we that is a great fucking story.

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Speaker 12: That is a hard social situation to navigate. And I

2048
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 12: find every social situation you introduced four bottle o j

2049
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 12: into that, especially saying you gotta just give me, just give.

2050
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Speaker 1: Me a song he wants. H Yeah, and you know what,

2051
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: there are knives on the table.

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Speaker 12: Years later, jay Z gave him that song, just not

2053
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 12: quite the song that he wanted.

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Speaker 11: Exactly what happened the second time.

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Speaker 1: That was.

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Speaker 13: Situation anyway, like that, don't worry about it, and uh,

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Speaker 13: I'm Bill Sugar Steve. We are signing off Course of Supreme.

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