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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Anyone that's read my

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Speaker 1: memoir Blood Beneath My Feet, Journey of a Southern Death Investigator,

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Speaker 1: you may remember the name Pearl. Pearl's my grandmother and

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Speaker 1: she practically raised me. I miss her every single day

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Speaker 1: of my life. Now. There are two things that Pearl

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Speaker 1: kept on hand that tie her back to her childhood,

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Speaker 1: and she was very proud of these items, kept them

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Speaker 1: in the house. One was her mother's butter churn. I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it. She wasn't one of these grandmothers that

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Speaker 1: would say don't touch that. She would actually encourage you.

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Speaker 1: And I would ask her questions about it all the time.

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Speaker 1: How did this work? Did you do it? Did you

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Speaker 1: ever use it? And she'd tell me about milk and

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Speaker 1: cows and that sort of thing and churning butter. But

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Speaker 1: the other thing that she had was a scrub board.

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Speaker 1: And many people don't know what a scrub board is,

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Speaker 1: but a scrubboard is something that you would actually do

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Speaker 1: you'd boil it many times, and then you'd scrub it

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Speaker 1: out with a bar soap, and that bar soap was

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Speaker 1: not something you went down to a supermarket, because where

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Speaker 1: my grandmother lived, there were no supermarkets where she grew up.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, she still remembers the night

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Speaker 1: till the day she died. You remember the night that

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Speaker 1: World War One ended, because the men rode up and

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Speaker 1: down the streets of their little village on horses, firing

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Speaker 1: And it was a simpler time. But they had to

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Speaker 1: make their own soap, and they made their own soap

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Speaker 1: by using lye lye. And the case that we're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss today involves lie, this chemical substance, and it

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Speaker 1: might be one of the most horrific ways that I

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Speaker 1: have covered regarding the death of someone. The long languishing

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Speaker 1: death of a man who had what appears to be

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Speaker 1: lie applied to his body. Five months he lingered before

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Speaker 1: he finally died. Today, we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: homicide allegedly committed at the hands of a man's daughter.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks day, back

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Speaker 1: when my grandmother would talk about having to produce lie

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Speaker 1: soap in their little village that they lived in in

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Speaker 1: no improved roads where she lived. It was essentially very

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Speaker 1: of thing. Even into her teen years, it was nothing

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Speaker 1: for them to see that horses up and down the streets.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get electricity until the thirties. There were really no

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Speaker 1: stores to go to buy soap as we think of

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Speaker 1: it today. They would have to produce this at home,

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Speaker 1: and there's a very specific formula. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: even remember as a small child my grandmother talking about

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Speaker 1: how dangerously soap was and the production of ly soap,

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Speaker 1: and she had even mentioned that her mother had gotten

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Speaker 1: so it has always kind of hung in the back

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Speaker 1: of my mind why people would choose to use the substance.

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Speaker 1: But it was highly effective. Matter of fact, it's been

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Speaker 1: stated by many people that there was no kind of

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Speaker 1: had undergone treatment. Would lie lie soap in order to

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Megan Joyce Immirates. She's eighteen at the time.

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Speaker 2: Her sixty four year old dad, Conrad Immirates, has mentioned

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Speaker 2: that lie soap and you broke it down as to

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Speaker 2: making line talking about how strong it is. There's no

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Speaker 2: clean like you get clean from li and I had

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Speaker 2: the same stories from my mother and grandmother as well.

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Speaker 2: In looking this up, found out that a lie powder

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Speaker 2: is often used in drain cleaner, so we might even

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Speaker 2: have this in our home right now. Liepowder is often

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Speaker 2: Here's the kicker though, Lie again lie powder. It's even

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Speaker 2: more dangerous when it's Yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: And you can come in contact in a powdered form.

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Speaker 1: You can come in contact with it with your skin

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Speaker 1: to this particular case, because without those two components, you're

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Speaker 2: And to give you an idea, okay, because I had

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Speaker 2: the water creates an exothermic reaction that actually causes the

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Speaker 2: the drink leaner, it could actually go up to two

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Speaker 1: Two hundred degrees. Yeah, and that's powerful stuff when you

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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do to quench that. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: How do you clean it up? If you've got this

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, it's something that an individual

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Speaker 1: in Great Britain, we have these public acid attacks. Acid

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Speaker 1: It's one thing I think for those of us that

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Speaker 1: the case of Conrad Emirates, my lord, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: To set the stage, Meghan Emirates turning eighteen, and she

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Speaker 2: had plans that day that she needed and she needed

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Speaker 2: a part of. She had a big plan and Conrad

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Speaker 2: Emirates had a drinking issue. And I only say that

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Speaker 2: because it actually plays into what took place. Conrad Emirates

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Speaker 2: I say it comes into play is we react differently.

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Speaker 2: If you're just simply asleep and something is thrown on you,

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Speaker 2: have all these plans and he just ruined them. What

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Speaker 2: She's doing everything she can, and he's not waking up.

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Speaker 2: He's not responding. And depending on how you look at it,

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Speaker 2: and as I stated at the beginning, I tried to

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Speaker 2: figure out did she concoct this lie soap, water, poisoned, burning,

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Speaker 2: do know is that around where Conrad Emirates was laying

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Speaker 2: on the couch, there was a lot of white powder

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Speaker 2: that was some type of drain cleaner. There was water

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Speaker 2: splashed all over him, and there were other things there

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Speaker 2: and he Conrad Emirates said that he only remembered waking

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Speaker 2: that he didn't remember anything that took place during this.

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Speaker 2: And what I can fill in the blank here is

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Speaker 2: that allegedly Megan Emirates, when her dad would not get

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Speaker 2: she got mad. She threw a bunch of stuff on him,

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Speaker 2: she calls her friend next door May and her friend

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Speaker 2: and her description, he looked very bad. He looked very

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Speaker 2: out of it. This is Kyle Busquett who discovered him.

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Speaker 2: He had burns or blood or bruises or something on

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Speaker 2: him his head, chest, hands, stomach, his legs looked green.

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Speaker 2: That's a direct quote from Kayleb Busquette, the neighbor that

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Speaker 2: But one thing that really struck me, Joe, and this

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Speaker 2: Michigan State Police was then called in because of what

432
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Speaker 2: the nurse overheard. They interviewed Meghan Emirates at the hotel.

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Speaker 1: Not at the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Right, not there with her dad, but at the hotel

435
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Speaker 2: where she's going to have her party that her dad's

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Speaker 2: paying for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that she has admitted to allegedly

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Speaker 1: taking these items and multiple items and throwing them at him,

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00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't stand up, I think logically when you begin

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Speaker 1: to look at this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, Joe, I believed that story. I

442
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: believed her when she said she threw a bunch of

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Speaker 2: stuff at him until you explained earlier what had to

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00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: have taken place, and then I went, oh, this was

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00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: way more direct than I thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually a switch that has to be flipped

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00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: chemically here in order to initialize this chemical reaction. Let's

448
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: just look at it this way. You take this substance

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00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: and you distribute it over an area and then you

450
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: activate it with water. That's simply what happens. And I

451
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Speaker 1: was thinking when I was reading through this, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking one of the things that arson investigators look at

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Speaker 1: by the way that I think arson investigators are some

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Speaker 1: of the unsung professionals that are out there in forensics,

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Speaker 1: and people don't normally refer to them as forensic scientists.

456
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Speaker 1: I submit that I think that they're fantastic forensic people.

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Speaker 1: But that aside. When arson investigators look at say fires

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00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: that are set and they're in a home, for instance,

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Speaker 1: in a structure, they look for what to referred to

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Speaker 1: as splash patterns. Say if someone takes a can of

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Speaker 1: gasoline and kind of throws it, it spreads it all

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Speaker 1: over room. You can actually see where the fire tracks

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Speaker 1: as a result of the pattern, this liquid splash pattern.

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Speaker 1: You're radio guy, Dave, you look at you guys have

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Speaker 1: all of these monitors and things you look at. You've

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Speaker 1: seen kind of sound waves before, and for me not

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Speaker 1: being that's not the way my mind works. That's I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to make it in my simple way. It looks

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Speaker 1: like a wave pattern many times, and you'll see all

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Speaker 1: these really weird patterns, you know, that come out relative

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Speaker 1: to the distribution of saying accelerant like gasoline, where a

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Speaker 1: match is applied and it'll burn and you'll see the

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Speaker 1: margins of it. With this, it's not exactly the same. However,

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Speaker 1: you begin to think about distribution of the substance of

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Speaker 1: this drain cliner over the surface of the body of

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Speaker 1: the skin, and you know that this is not something

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Speaker 1: where say, for instance, okay, let's just give people the

478
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Let's just say that he had

479
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: a bit of it that wound up on the back

480
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: of his hand. Okay, and then somehow miraculously water got

481
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: applied to it and he was burned in that one area. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll go we did there, logically, we'll have that discussion.

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Speaker 1: But when you talk about his hands, his head, his torso,

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00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: his legs, you know that that is not quite as randomized. Say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, if you just come in contact with it

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Speaker 1: and get it wet on your hand, because what are

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00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: you going to do, well, automatically, you're going to retract

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Speaker 1: from it. It's something that's going to be very unpleasant.

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00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to want anything to do with it. No, no, no, no,

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00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: that's that's not what we're seeing here. Manifesting physically. You've

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00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: got this distribution from literally head to toe with him.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately with mister Emmerds, he no longer had toes.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why, Dave, Because as a result of

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Speaker 1: being subjected to this kind of trauma after he is

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00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: in ICU and he's being true and it's a twenty

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00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: four hour of course with him, and they had to

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00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: bilaterally amputate his legs, so both legs were literally taken

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Speaker 1: off surgically. And that's how extensive this was. Not only

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Speaker 1: that we talked about the contact surfaces with this event

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Speaker 1: involving this substance. Did you know that one of the

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00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: other things that can happen is to inhale inhale this

502
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: stuff as well? And as we found out from the

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Speaker 1: medical examiner in mister Emmertz's case, his lungs were damaged.

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00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: He actually had to have a track in place to

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00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: help him breathe. So now that he's in intensive care,

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00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: they've had to place a breathing tube in his throat.

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Speaker 2: Is that what the track is? When you say trake, okay,

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00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: that's a breathing tube.

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00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it goes actually right in the mid line

510
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: of the throat. So if you'll find if people anatomically,

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00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: if you'll find where that little cartilations body some people

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00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: refer to as Adam's apple, just inferior to that, they'll

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00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: make an incision in there and they'll insert this breathing

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: to and so he's having to have help just merely

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: to survive. And of course, the big thing that happens

516
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: with people that are burned is that they're going to

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00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: kidney failure, and that's the kiss of death. As he

518
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: is being treated in the hospital, one of the other

519
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: things that's going on with him, he's in a state

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00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: of kidney failure all the time. So now this man

521
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: has had to go on to dialysis, which is further

522
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: impacted by the fact that if we are to believe

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Speaker 1: what we have heard that he had a problem with

524
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: chronic alcohol consumption, his kidneys may have already been compromised

525
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: to a great degree. It wouldn't be like a guy

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00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: that's walking around just on a daily basis with a

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00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: healthy set of kidneys. Okay, So he's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that are working against him at this point

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Speaker 1: in time. The nature of This death is not there's

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00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: no hint of mercy here. It's not like it was quick.

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Speaker 1: This is a long, slow, agonizing death. Right now, His daughter, Meghan, nineteen,

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Speaker 1: of Groveland Township in Oakland County, Michigan, has been found guilty.

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00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: She's been found guilty of murdering her father by use

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00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: of harmful devices, irritants causing death, and domestic violence. Her

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Speaker 1: trial only took four days. She faces up to life

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Speaker 1: imprisonment when she is sentenced. That sentencing is scheduled for

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Speaker 1: July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan

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Speaker 1: and this is bodybacks