1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Media. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: Here it is. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 3: We can do it be even ladies and gentlemen. The 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 3: doc is here. Most of the time. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: When I say the doc is here, I'm talking about 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: the PhD. My wife, doctor Amazaragosa. But here I'm talking 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: about like a medical doctor. You know what I'm saying. 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's important, but still doctor. 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 3: Very important. And he'd be in your ass, you know. 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: Was literally I and but for work, for work. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: He'd be in your ass for work. Doctor Cave a 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: close friend of the network. So much love up there 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area. Here's here's my theory about the 14 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Bay Area. Please okay, please tell me. Like, so I 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: got married in Oakland. That's where my wife was, like 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: did a. She was doing a fellowship in Berkeley, uh, 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: getting prepared like a predoctoral thing. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: It was up at UC Berkeley right there, it is. 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I was living up there for a 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: little bit, right, but I had moved there from when 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: we started our record label, the recordlator I used to 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: be on it was it was in Portland. So I 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: moved up for six months to Portland, then came down 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: fellow my wife married her and we lived in Oakland 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: for a little bit. And when I was trying to 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: do like music, you know, trying to get to shows here, 27 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: and they had a bunch of friends that like, we're 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: lived in LA, but we're from Oakland, so I like, 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, connected with him, find fight out stuff. And 30 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: when I was like, oh, yeah, it's moved here from Portland, 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, everything was great. 32 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: And then I was like, well, I'm from LA. 33 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: And when I tell you, how quickly. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: The walls closed. 35 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: So I say all that to say this, I feel 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: like the Northern Calis Southern Cali rivalry is one directional 37 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: because everybody I know from LA loves the band. 38 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you have to understand I have to 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: technically hate you. Yeah, I just want you to know 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't feel it in my heart. 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: That's that's that's what I've noticed. Yeah, from everyone there, 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: they're just like. 43 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's unidirectional. I understand that it's the same. 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: It's like, there's not the same sort of it's not 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: a rivalry, but we are sort of like always dealing 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: with being the uglier sibling. That's kind of like what 47 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, we're the middle child in a way, 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: and we have a little bit of that particularly. It's 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: what's interesting to me about La and and or nor 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: Cal SoCal is being Iranian as I am. There is 51 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: such such a difference, such a difference between North Call 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: and SoCal Iranians. Yeah, and and that has always been 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: an interesting experience for me because I spent a lot 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: of time down in La as well and in San Diego, 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: so I've exposed to it a lot. And I have 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: to tell you it is uh the La as much 57 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: as like, you know, we grow up thinking it's superficial, 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: and there is that, And how much as we grow 59 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: up hating like fair weather sports fans all that, we 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: got to talk about the Dodgers and the Lakers all that, 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: As much as that has been indoctrinated into me, it 62 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: is overcome by that call of the wild that every 63 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: Persian feels at some point that draws us to La. 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: It's like my mother ship leans and we all are 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: drawn to it. So yeah, I and Iranias are fun 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: because you know, here's the thing, like, here's what we'll do. 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: You may have noticed this, but we will go to 68 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: any place and we will adapt to it and then 69 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: take it to the next level. So whatever bad or 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: good stuff you have going on in LA. We are 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: gonna dial it up. We're just like in northern California, 72 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: we're like the most crunchy progressive. You're like whatever down there, 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: therew's all that stuff is gonna be happening down there. 74 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, we we we find an area, 75 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: we adapt to it. 76 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: I was like, y'all are on the West Side and 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: next to U. C. 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: L A. 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: And y'all throw incredible parties and I have never been 80 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: offered more cocaine. When you walk into it's like you 81 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: just walk into this. I remember these twins. I used 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: to think, Man, I was like, persha, boy. I just 83 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: like like looking up in the side, I'd be like, Oh, 84 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: there's a whole country of y'all. 85 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 4: Oh no, that's special. I mean that's yeah, yeah, yeah, La, 86 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say. I was like, man, 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 4: I was like, hey, what's this coke? I was like, what, No, 88 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: I'm good. 89 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: Like that's pretty impressive anyway, man, Yeah, you don't want 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: to see me wired. I'm like the guy you want 91 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: on co Yeah. 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: But uh yeah it immaculately dressed and great party, great food. 93 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: And what's crazy is like you date these foods ain't 94 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: have to wait for their parents to leave to throw 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: the party. I'm like, yo, Mama upstairs, like really. 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: It's no, they're involved in they kill it. I was like, no, 97 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: we encourage the cocaine. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, we want 98 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: the kids dancing, and you want the kids dancing at 99 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: your house. Yeah, that's exactly that's what. 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: That's what I finally figured out, Like I U with 101 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: my house and out the streets, Okay, it makes sense anyway. 102 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: Well yeah, and then but definitely yeah. 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: I like, I'm like, LA only really has beef with 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: other LA cities, and yeah, Boston that's the only city 105 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: we can stand. 106 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah except Boston just because you guys 107 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: hate them. Yeah yeah, we hate We don't. We don't 108 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: like them. We don't like them. But you know, like 109 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: in Jurassic Park when like the t Rex gets attacked 110 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: by the velociraptors, I mean, yeah, they're they're both problems. 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: You have to escape them both, but we're like, yeah, 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: let them fight. 113 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: No, I feel that I can agree with that. 114 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say is about like the ugly 115 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: sister comparison. It's almost like, but we're looking at y'all 116 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: and being like, I don't know what the fuck you're 117 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: talking about, because we're like, Okay, first of all, the 118 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: Raiders belong to you, number one did, and I'm like, 119 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: but they're yours. No matter where the Raiders go, they 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: belong to Oakland. And then I'm like the amount of 121 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: slang and culture, like, why do you keep thinking you're 122 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: not respected? I'm like, we all talk like e forty 123 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: and two short all of oh no, And I'm like, 124 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: why don't you see yeah that we all think you're beautiful. 125 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I'm glad you say that. I'll tell 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: you the truth. They We talk about it a lot here. 127 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: We talk about the Bay Area and our influence on. 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 129 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, even the term my bad that comes from a 130 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: new Bowl Did you know that? Yes, the New Bowl 131 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: gold and say warrior that comes like there's things that 132 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: we all use constantly. Yeah, you know, And we talk 133 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: about here, like our contributions to hip hop and rock 134 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: and roll and everything, you know. But I it's hard 135 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: for us to know what makes it out there to 136 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: the rest of the world outside of our bubbles. But 137 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: listen again, technically, yes, all things lay are terrible. I 138 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: don't mean that I don't mean that. I don't say it. 139 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: I say, but I don't mean it. I don't it 140 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: in my heart. 141 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: Because like I actually have enjoyed my time in Boston. 142 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Don't ever tell nobody I said that. All right, let's 143 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: do this, Okay, so we're here to talk about this 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: episode I'm calling Cave has beef with the new food period. 145 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: Oh that's good. 146 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: And although I thought I had another idea was like 147 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: Cave roasts the new food. 148 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 3: Like I was trying to figure out something. 149 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: I like, they has beef, like in parentheses, Talo with 150 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: the new Yeah beef. 151 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: So I I I've I've been really impressed by like 152 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: the full court press approach, firing on all cylinders. Everybody's 153 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: running this fast break in Trump's in the Trump era, 154 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: in his regime, in the sense that it's like it's 155 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: not just him doing the hymn thing. It's also we're 156 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: about to give ice agents full immunity, and it's also 157 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, let's end the education program, and it's also 158 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: you need to start eating beef. 159 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: Fuck your heart, you know. 160 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: I'm saying, like it's so full, like you did. 161 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: An attack on every every every sense, every organ, the 162 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: whole body and mind now is under attack. No, I 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: you're one hundred percent right. I mean, you know, I 164 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: know you're not supposed to give them credit, but to 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: give them credit, I mean like they are aggressive and 166 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: they are full court press, and it is like it 167 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: it's whatever sports analogy you want to use, blitz, it's happening. 168 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: I don't know what you call it in hockey, power play, 169 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. Lacrosse. Are any of the cross lacrosse 170 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: players out there? 171 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: I love to hear what a loocross? 172 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? They what do they call that? So they're doing it. 173 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: They're doing it and there is no exception here. And 174 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: but but you're right though, this is like this felt 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: a little rush so I read it. Yeah, you know, 176 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,479 Speaker 2: it was only ten pages their new dietary guideline recommendations, 177 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: and usually these things are well over one hundred Like 178 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: the last one was one hundred and sixty four pages, 179 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: and you could argue that's too much, but you know, 180 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: people who are medical professionals really want detail in nuance. Yeah, 181 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: and this is this felt rushed. You could kind of 182 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: read through it and you can't even tell within that 183 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: ten pages and the scientific background they gave along with it. 184 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: You can kind of tell those coming from different voices 185 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: kind of shove together parts of this thing don't even 186 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: internally make that much sense. Yeah, within their own internal 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: logic of these new re dietary recommendations, it doesn't make 188 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: a ton of sense. 189 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 3: Bro, Okay, you're nailing it. These were the questions I had. 190 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, like I like, I'm going 191 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: to start like as big as possible because I'm just like, okay, 192 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: I understand the history of the food pyramid, Like that's 193 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: there one lount of time. This would be a much 194 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: longer episode we get into that at the end of 195 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: the day. You know, if you're somewhere within like a 196 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: ten year radius of our age, you had to do 197 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: this in elementary school, you know, you learn your four 198 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: basic food groups and you know this like we had 199 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: to learn this. But I remember feeling like after third grade, 200 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: like who used who uses the Like who is this for? 201 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: Right? 202 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: Feel like at the end of the day, like you 203 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: kind of know, you know what's good for you and 204 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: bad for you, Like how'd you wake up this morning? 205 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: Like you do? 206 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: You feel like you got a ten pound rock in 207 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: your stomach. You feel sluggish. It's probably what you hate 208 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But anyway, so tell me, like, 209 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: who uses this? 210 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: It's a really good question. Okay, So a lot of 211 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: most medical professionals don't actually use this. I mean they 212 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: they'll maybe look over it, but they're not reading the 213 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: full report, especially because it's so long. But nutritionists and 214 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: nutrition scientists they are, They're paying close attention to it. 215 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: But what kind of power these you know, recommendations hold. 216 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: In truth, they don't hold that much weight, but they 217 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: can influence or constrain things like federal programs for school 218 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: lunches or for people on the military basis. It can 219 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: make a difference. For me. The most important thing obviously 220 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 2: is school lunches, and it can it can affect that 221 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: senior nutrition programs, uh snap Wick. These things can be 222 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: affected by these guidelines. Not so much directly, but things 223 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 2: will come out and use this as sort of a source. 224 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: So it doesn't directly, you know, control policy, but policies 225 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: will be built on this as an authoritative piece of legislation. 226 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: So people are going to use this and cite this 227 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: to then do things in the future. And that does 228 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: concern me. And now I'll preface this too. I'll say 229 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: that not everything in this is terrible. There are some 230 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: things that I'm like, okay, yeah, totally reasonable. Yeah, but 231 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: there are things in this that don't make a lot 232 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: of sense, and I don't. 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: Love Okay, I think yeah, yeah, I think that, like 234 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: I definitely want to get into the like what to 235 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: me is the the maddening thing about this JFK Junior 236 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: or RFK to where it's like, damn, part of that 237 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: makes sense, you know what I'm saying, like. 238 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, part of it does, but then it 239 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: goes too far. It's yeah, I mean, okay, I'm just good. 240 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: I can I just get into it. 241 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: Because just get into it. 242 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I got yeah, I got I 243 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: got beef, and let's go. It's okay. Let's start with 244 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: a little bit of the fact that it's always a 245 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: little bit of a black box. How they do this. 246 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: I mean, they always take recommendations and they kind of 247 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: meet in private and then they was. 248 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of my question was like how 249 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: much of this is lobbying because I know that, like 250 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: the original one was just racist, you know, I'm saying, 251 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: like the origins, but I'm like, how much of this 252 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: is like lobbying. 253 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: How much do you think and this is just lobbyists, Oh. 254 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of it is. I don't. 255 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: I don't. We won't know for sure, I mean, not yet, 256 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: we will eventually. But you know, there is these dietary 257 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: guideline advisory committees, much like we have, like these advisory 258 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: committees for the vaccines and our vaccine policy, and much 259 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: like they're doing with that, it's becoming a little bit 260 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: more or a little less transparent as to how they're 261 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: making the final decision because recommendations are made and then 262 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: they go they take these into account supposedly and then 263 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: and it's always been a little bit confusing how they 264 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: decide on the final recommendations that make it into this 265 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: like long, usually long report. This time around, it's less 266 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: clear how they make these final decisions. And instead of 267 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: like one hundred and sixty four page report like we 268 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: had last time, it's a ten page report. It seems 269 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: like it's geared more for the for common person to 270 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: read it, which I I the consumer, which I actually 271 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: do think is not a bad idea. I think we 272 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: probably could find some middle ground, But so much nuance 273 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: is lost in this and so Okay, So in this 274 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: report that came out, there's a lot of things that 275 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: are the same. They say things like, you know, eat 276 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: five days survey eat five a day, serving a fruit 277 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: and veggies good, okay, okay, drink three cups of milk 278 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: or like dairy equivalent. That's that hasn't changed. They focus 279 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: more on protein in this one, as you might imagine, 280 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: and they're pushing less for processed food. I'm for that 281 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: as well. I think we could have less processed food, 282 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: but a couple of things. This emphasis on protein is 283 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: a bit weird because you know, most people when we 284 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: survey them are already consuming enough protein, but one to 285 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: two rams for kili grad per day a lot of 286 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: people too much, and so they've increased that in there's 287 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: really pretty limited data in my opinion, that increasing the 288 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: protein diets are some silver bullet for magical weight loss. 289 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: Like most of the studies that they use to like 290 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: look at this come from like weight loss studies in 291 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: which you know, the benefits are kind of small overall, 292 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of confounders in those studies to know, 293 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: like if it's really helping people. The thing that I'm 294 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: probably most upset about and there's there's a lot to 295 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: be upset about. But this emphasis on saturated fats, getting 296 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: more saturated fats, eating red meat, getting that in back 297 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: into the diet, and pushing for that, that is wild 298 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: to me. There's no good evidence for that now. Food 299 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: science changes over time. Food science changes over time, so 300 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: it's totally possible. Then five years they're like, actually we 301 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: were wrong. Eating like a Chuck Ribbi every day is 302 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: good for you. But the great preponderance of evidence we 303 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: have out there is that saturated fats lead to an 304 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: increase in LDL. LDL leads to cardiovascular problems, and therefore 305 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: we should eat less of it. So that whatever whatever 306 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: they're using right now to make these points, I don't 307 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: know where. It's like vibes, I don't know where they're 308 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: getting that now. There's no data that I'm aware of. 309 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: That said, it's a good idea. 310 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: That's the part that like blows my mind because I'm like, like, okay, okay. So, like, 311 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: germ theory is probably one of the greatest things that 312 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: has happened to the human species is understanding that. So 313 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: eventually we go from that to being able to put 314 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: together a brainstem from an amino acid, which means I 315 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: can look at a heart like we can look at 316 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: a heart and and not even like I'm not even 317 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: talking about under a microscope. I mean took the heart 318 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: out of the person, and I can point at the 319 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: ship in the heart and be like this from red meat, 320 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: Like you see this ship that's inside your order. You 321 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: see what I'm trying to dig out. It's from the 322 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 1: high it's you know what I mean. 323 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: I can look at, great forensic pathologist, see you, this 324 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: is the problem. This is the ship. You eating this 325 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: and it makes that yeah, yeah, exactly, that's but it's 326 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: absolutely true. I mean, we know we aren't able to 327 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 2: pinpoint these things. But also I should say this, here's 328 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: what's confusing about it. So like they're talking about getting 329 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: how the war unsaturated fats is over. Yeah, but actually 330 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: in the guidelines they keep the ten percent of your 331 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: diet being saturated fat cut off. So it's like it 332 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: doesn't even really make that much sense. And they're saying, 333 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: I think what they're trying to imply here is that like, Okay, 334 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: well you're gonna cut you're gonna keep having saturated fats 335 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: from the red meats and all this quote unquote real food. 336 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: But you're gonna cut it out by cutting out the 337 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: process stuff. Okay, but that's not how Americans are. We're 338 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: saturated fat from meats. That's the primary source right now. 339 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they're. 340 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: Gonna get a steak with potato chips. That's what you're 341 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: gonna do. 342 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna do. The people do, and and 343 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: you know, I again, I'm not a fan of processed foods. 344 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: Actually that cutting back on processed foods is great. They 345 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: mess with our satiety, our metabolic health. There are so 346 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: many reasons that they're low in fiber, which is near 347 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: and dear to my heart. Fiber is so they they're 348 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: they're not good in any means. But even their definition 349 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: of ultra processed doesn't really make sense here because there 350 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: are these terms that are used like ultra processed, but 351 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed in this they actually 352 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: refer to it as highly processed, which is sort of 353 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: a new term that nobody really has a definition on. 354 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: I mean that could mean like potato chips, free to lays, 355 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: all that stuff that we know is processed and and 356 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: isn't healthy, but it could also apply to things like 357 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: your oat mill, your almond milk, latte, yeah, the bars 358 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: or stuff. So it can really apply pretty broadly. And 359 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: my guess is they did that so it really has 360 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: no teeth because how can you enforce that, like if 361 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 2: in that situation, like maybe they're appeasing these companies, these 362 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 2: big companies because they know they can't do anything with that, 363 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: so it just even internally, it doesn't make sense what 364 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: they're asking for here. 365 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: He do that. He does that same that same thing. 366 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: I feel like with the vaccines too, where he's like, 367 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: vaccines are giving y'all autism and then you read it 368 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: and it goes, well that hasn't been proven. Yeah, And 369 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, why'd you just say the sentence? And there 370 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: he'll say like, yeah, so make sure you get you 371 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to do this, And then you read 372 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: a sentence after that and says, but this is known 373 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: to be preventable in you know, so many percentage of 374 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: the cases. And I'm like, well, then don't Why did 375 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: you start your sentence is going in with where we 376 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: started at already That's an excellent point. 377 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 2: And I think the thing with him is he's a lawyer, 378 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: so he approaches both vaccines and dietary health through the 379 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: mindset of a lawyer, which is like, Okay, this is 380 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: my stance. Let's find all the evidence that I can 381 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: to either a prove it or at least raise reasonable 382 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: doubt in these people. And I think like reasonable doubt 383 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: is what he's always trying to do, at the very least. 384 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: If he's not able to prove his point the vaccines 385 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: are bad, he wants to raise reasonable doubt quote unquote 386 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: reasonable To me, it's unreasonable, but like he wants to 387 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: make people least doubt it. That's like that And that's 388 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: the same thing here. It's like, you know, he has 389 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 2: a point he wants to make. There's something he wants 390 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: to do about quote unquote real food. This it's more 391 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 2: of an ideology that he has than it is like 392 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: fact based or evidence based, and he does his best 393 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 2: to find those arguments, and when he can't, he just 394 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: relies on confusing the issue. 395 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 3: It's very frustrating. 396 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: Because it's deeply frustrated by the man. 397 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And it's like it's it's it's something I 398 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: find oftentimes like like for me personally, like this just 399 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: this makes seem like a tangent, but like follow what 400 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying here to where it's like I don't ever 401 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: want to get you know what I'm saying, I don't 402 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: ever want to do like the like the like Jubilee 403 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: or like any of these like debate shows where it's 404 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: just like, you know, Prop takes on and just absolutely 405 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: eviscerates some Nazi jump day, Like, I'm not gonna do 406 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: none of that because a lot of because that's to me, 407 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: it's like that was just like that was just like 408 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: battle rapping where it's just like at that moment, if 409 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: I was clever enough with enough people in that room 410 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: and I rode that beat, right, I won that battle. 411 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: That doesn't make that doesn't mean I'm a better rapper 412 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: than him, or that I made a good point. So 413 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: I feel like with those situations that is sometimes some 414 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: people just aren't fast on their feet, like you're not 415 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: an improv, You're not you know what I'm saying. And 416 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: maybe this person is just a great orator and just 417 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: runs down seven lives, but they're but they're so charismatic that. 418 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: I would watch they can throw out all that. And 419 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 2: doctors are terrible at this. 420 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 3: Terrible, Yeah, terrible doctors. 421 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor. 422 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the best doctors and my experience are 423 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: like so overworked because they have so many rounds and 424 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: they just trying to get through the ship. Like I 425 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: don't have time to like sit with you, you know 426 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But and they not gonna give you 427 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: a straight answer because they understand how science works. So 428 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: it's like, look, this is what we think, we think 429 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: is this this, and this is based on this body 430 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: of research. So this is what I would suggest. I 431 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: think you should try follow you know what I'm saying. 432 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's this is this is one hundred 433 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: percent why I will never be a famous podcaster because 434 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: like to be like a famous or like well known, 435 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: I mean there's other reasons I'm not good at it, 436 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: but like the other reasons are, like to be good 437 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: at it, you have to also just be like Huberman 438 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: and speak with this tall white guy authority on things 439 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: that you can't really do because there's because one we 440 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: don't know most of it too, like there's no way 441 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: he could know most of it. And three it's a 442 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 2: there are a lot of great areas, there's a lot 443 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: of nuance, and you can't say you just can't speak 444 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: firmly about everything but people to mean don't want to 445 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: hear that. People want like, like, this is what you're 446 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: the top three things you need to avoid in your diet. 447 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 2: This boom boom boom, and I can't. I mean, if 448 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm being real, it's not the same for everyone. People 449 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: want to know. So I've been doing a lot of 450 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 2: videos recently on Instagram. 451 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah you've been cooking, man, I wanted to give you 452 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: that compliment. 453 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm trying. I'm trying hard cook. People have 454 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: been telling me I gotta do video forms, so I'm 455 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 2: doing like Instagram and TikTok and they, by the way, 456 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: they started calling me fiber Zaddy. Do you know that 457 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: fiber ZADDI what. 458 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: Fiber Zaddy? 459 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: You know. I had to look that up because I 460 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: thought that was it. I thought they were insulting me. 461 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 5: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, that's no, that's 462 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 5: a that's a compliment. That's a big I found out 463 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 5: there was a compliment. Yeah, I'm pretty stoked about so 464 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 5: I've been I've been doing a lot of discussion about that, 465 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 5: especially because like fiber is. 466 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm trying to be cool and hip. 467 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 2: Here the girl you thought protein was this is what fiber. 468 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: Wow. 469 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: Fiber is to me. I think the thing that has 470 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: been underappreciated forever. I'm almost a little worried that it's 471 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: becoming a trend now. In a fact, I don't that. 472 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: I want it to be a lifelong thing. I want 473 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: to be a lifelong thing with people. And so people 474 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: will ask me for exact details, like, hey, tell me 475 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: exactly how much fiber I need, and I can give 476 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: them ranges. But the truth of it is, like every 477 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: case is a little different. It's not one size fits all. 478 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: It's the cookie cutter approach. It's more important that what 479 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do is teach people about what fiber 480 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: is and gut health and how it can be used 481 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: so they can learn how to do it in the 482 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 2: long run without it being a fad, without having to 483 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: focus on numbers. Like I don't want people freaking out 484 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: over how much water soluble fiber versus insoluble. Yeah, I 485 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: don't want them doing that because that's that's gonna cripple 486 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: them and they're gonna stop, you know. So yeah. So, 487 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: But if someone were to come out and say, you 488 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: need exactly twenty five grams of fiber from these three fruits. 489 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: People love that it gets eaten up online. 490 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: So it's very much like kick rocks bro Like, yeah, 491 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, I I love the idea that fiber is 492 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: the girl you thought protein was. I remember my mom 493 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: was always like, you eat enough five of such. She 494 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: was very much you gotta give more fiber. She was 495 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: always on that. Yeah, I know now I've been telling 496 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: you that for years. Yeah, Ark, thank you, fiber is daddy. 497 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: That is great. You need merch now, yeah, I look that. I'mzy. 498 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: I won't so so here here here's the thing that 499 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: I find. Man, I don't even know how to phrase this, 500 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: but it's something I think about often, like when I 501 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: think about new sort of like food practices and trends. Obviously, 502 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: hood politics, you know, we we the vernacular we uses 503 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: those who grew up in like you know, urban areas. 504 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: But like with that being said, like obviously, you know, 505 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: it's always it's been known that like you know, black 506 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: and brown communities are food deserts and there's not a 507 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: lot of like options. 508 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: For better food choices. 509 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: But having said that, you know, I grew up in 510 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: the on the Mexican side of town, and I was like, 511 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: there's fruit on every corner. You just go get her fruit. 512 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: Die it's just covered with you know, chili and lemon, 513 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I'm like, I kind 514 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: of feel like and even my mother in law, she like, man, 515 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: they would go they would go buy fresh bread, fresh matza, 516 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: fresh food, like fresh vegetables to make dinner, like every day. 517 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: I almost said, my wife said, she ain't had like 518 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: McDonald's to college, you know what I'm saying, because because 519 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: her mama was like, no, we make food, like you 520 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So she make And so I've 521 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: always like been interested in that, like that dichotomy of like, yes, 522 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: like I can speak specifically in the black community. Yeah, 523 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: like the food that they were selling us if you 524 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: walk into these stores was trash, yeah, you know what 525 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 526 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: But oftentimes, you. 527 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: Know, it was a local butcher, it was a local 528 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: meat market, like so when we stopped, it would be 529 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of local stuff, you know what I'm saying. 530 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like in some ways I'm like, man, like, 531 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: who are y'all talking to? Because like I said, like 532 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I grew I ate fruit every day 533 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: and it was now granted I also stopped and got 534 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: a donut every morning. You know what I'm saying. It 535 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: was a little bit of bullets. Yeah, yeah, you know 536 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like I knew if we wanted it, 537 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: like you would get its eight bucks and it was 538 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: a grocery bag of chopped fresh fruit and you just 539 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: stick a fork in there, eat it all day, you 540 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. 541 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and again real quick, I'm never gonna 542 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: say eating donuts is healthy, but but like, if you're 543 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: doing that, I'm not mad if you're also doing the 544 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: other stuff. You know, there's moderation to sugar and donuts. 545 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: And of course, look at me, obviously you know it. 546 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: So like I am a donut guy. So but it's 547 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: about getting that other stuff in there too, and about 548 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: doing a moderation. And you're sort of raising Another issue 549 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: that I thought was interesting to me is that they're, 550 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, in the last couple of iterations of these recommendations, 551 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: one thing they've done that I like is they started 552 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: to take into account money restrictions, economic restrictions, and this 553 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: one is not doing that at all. And in fact, 554 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: you know, moving to more whole grains from refined grains. 555 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: You know, it's good overall. I think you should eat 556 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: more whole grain stuff than refined grains. But but we 557 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: have to do we can't leave the refined grains what 558 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: we did to them behind because one good thing we 559 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: did is we fortify those things. Yeah, with follic acid 560 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: to help with you know, women who don't even know 561 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: they're pregnant yet they start eating this foods and it 562 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: helps that that child that it's developing, and to make 563 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: sure that the nutrients are in it. I mean, we 564 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: can do that with whole grains, but we got to 565 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: make an effort and we have to push for it. 566 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: So if we're gonna make it, make it harder for 567 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 2: people on a strict income or a budget to if 568 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna make it, you know, give them less food options, 569 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: which this does. This gives less options than previous ones. 570 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: You know, then we have to make sure it's fortified 571 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: as well. We have to make sure that these foods 572 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: are fortified so everyone can get them, and they have 573 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: to be more. They can't be they can't be as 574 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: expensive as they are. I mean, we have that's something 575 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: we have to work on. Like it's it's so funny 576 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: that they're in the time when the economy shrinking and 577 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: we're talking about affordability, you know, which is apparently a 578 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: real term. So when we're talking about that, like you know, 579 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: we we have to then take that into account when 580 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: we're making these this food we have to work a 581 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: little bit about equity. 582 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: H m hm. 583 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: H m. 584 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: H m h m hm h m. 585 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: H m hm m m. 586 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: I know, California just passed a law about tortillas. I 587 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: don't know if you saw that that they had to 588 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: have follic acid in them. 589 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's pretty dope. Yeah, it's a new law. 590 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: It started January first. Pretty crazy. 591 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: Uh, but I think. 592 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you you you you you land on a great point. 593 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: I think you know we're me as a couple, you know, 594 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: me and my wife, Like we've done we've done all right, 595 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But last year was hard, 596 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: you know as far as like financially and dude, we 597 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: have just like the whole foods sprouts, like we had 598 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: to stop, you know what I'm saying. Like while I 599 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: was on a mostly a fish diet of pescatarian diet 600 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: just because I'm just I'm just a small dude. 601 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: So like I just don't need a lot, you know 602 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, But like. 603 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: Fish is expensive, yeah, saying and just but like I 604 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: I find such a frustration in the fact that like 605 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: it just it's just why why does it Why is 606 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: that the capital marker, the economic marker to say, well, 607 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be more expensive if it's better for you. 608 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems I mean, getting back to your original 609 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: question that you had, like you know, who was involved 610 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: in these decisions, Like you know, could you know ranchers 611 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: and couldn't be you know, the meat industry be evolved. 612 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, I have no evidence to 613 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: say that, but I would also be not surprised at 614 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: all if that were the case. And I'm certain they're 615 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: trying to appease them to some degree. We're bringing meat back, yeah, 616 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, it was never gone nobody, nobody. 617 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: People are eating meat all the time. It's not a problem. 618 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 2: And it does worry me that, like people are freaking 619 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 2: out so much about protein and not that protein isn't important. 620 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: It's important, but you know it it shouldn't come at 621 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: the cost of fiber. It shouldn't come at the cost 622 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 2: of good acids, good you know, the PUFAs poaly unsaturated 623 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: fatty acids. So like, it's I just I really don't 624 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: like that these decisions all seem to be driven by 625 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: things other than health. They seem to be driven by ideology, 626 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: like it's better to eat beef. This hatred of the 627 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: hateful eight seed oils, you know, this this hatred that 628 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: drives a conversation. It's it's uh, it is bothersome to me, 629 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: and it's just hearing, like, I don't know, did you 630 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 2: watch the press conference where doctor Oz gets up and 631 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: he starts talking about alcohol being a social lubricant? What is? 632 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 2: It made me cringe so fucking hard. 633 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I can cuss, right, you can cuss. 634 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me cringe so hard because I was 635 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: just like, I mean, a sure you could say that 636 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: we could all cocaine as a social yeah, of course. Yeah, 637 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: you've been to Persian parties and California, you know, so 638 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: like it can be. But I mean that's not something 639 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 2: that we as medical health professionals should be discussing in 640 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: those sorts of situations. You know what I'm saying, there's 641 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: no healthy amount of alcohol. I'm not gonna say you 642 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 2: should never drink. I mean, I have a drink every 643 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: now and then too, But we can't pretend. Yeah, you 644 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: can't pretend that's healthy now, you know, as the preponderance 645 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: of evidence now shows that there really isn't any quote 646 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 2: unquote healthy level of alcohol. So you shouldn't. You mean, yeah, 647 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: if you really want to be healthy, you shouldn't. But 648 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: does that mean I'm gonna freak out every time you're 649 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: gonna have a drink? Not at all, you know, if 650 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: these things are done to moderation. But that's not what 651 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: we talk about when we're talking about health. As when 652 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: you're up on that stage, when you're doing this this job, 653 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: if you're doing this thing, you have to be focused 654 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 2: on health. And that's what your job is. Your job 655 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: isn't to like be the cultural czar of alcohol. Your 656 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: job is to help Americans be healthy. So just it's 657 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: just it's deeply embarrassing as an American doctor. 658 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's deeply it's deeply frustrat Yeah, I like I 659 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: it's like I want so bad to take I want 660 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: I want to take y'all serious, Like I want to 661 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: believe that the person stands in up there, Yeah, knows 662 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: what the hell they talking about and and you're just like. 663 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 3: Oh, you're just you're a You're a YouTuber. You're a 664 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 3: gen X YouTuber. 665 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: That's right. 666 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 3: That's like, I'm like, you. 667 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 2: Don't want this influencer. 668 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know what you're you don't know what 669 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know what I'm saying. 670 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 3: And I'm like, how did you get to this? Like 671 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: when did you know what I'm saying? Like you you 672 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 3: went through the. 673 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: Same amount of school everybody else went to to have 674 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: doctor in front of their name. When did you be Anyway, 675 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sliding way off topic here. I think you 676 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: nailed it. And what I wanted to tap in with 677 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: you was like this this thing is it's an ideology 678 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: rather than a body of research. And I think that that, 679 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: to me really helps. I ain't never heard of old 680 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: tallow beef, I know what, I know what the hell 681 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: they were talking about, right, And so yeah, So, like 682 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: like you said, like it's there's there's the class element 683 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: of it, there's the like just this manufactured war you have, 684 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: like the. 685 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 2: End on the war against me, the war unsaturated fat, 686 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: he's any of the war unsaturated fat, like like saturatd 687 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: fat was unfairly maligned. No, there was Like, this is 688 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 2: not like Big Fiber trying to attack saturated fat. This 689 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 2: is like years of data right there. Kids call it. Yeah, 690 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: we know it. Like this is not like we're not 691 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 2: trying to demonize saturated fat for no reason. Like and again, 692 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm not even freaking out about every little bit situation 693 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 2: saturated fat you eat, you know, but let's not pretend 694 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 2: that you've unlocked some health hack some body hack by 695 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 2: doing tallow you know. 696 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: It's just yeah, and I feel like at the end 697 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: of the day, dude, Like like I said, I feel like, look, dude, 698 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: we know, like and like you know how you feel 699 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: like you ain't never had like the meat sweats you 700 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: never ate, so you ate so much meat you just like, 701 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: just y, you never experienced that. 702 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 2: I'd be like the Korean barbecue. Yeah it happened. 703 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: Yes, it's happened to me at a Korean barbecue. Was 704 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: just like I feel like I've had enough flesh. Like 705 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm good, you know, just like everyone just like and 706 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: I and I mean, this is I guess this is 707 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: kind of body shaming, but I'm like, my boy, just 708 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: like look around, like, okay, you see that person right 709 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: there with right that only eats fast food. I mean, 710 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: just ask them to run a mile, like I'm like, 711 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: does that I'm just like, I mean, I'm trying to 712 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: say this in the most RFK junior language is possible, 713 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: like in the sense of like you gonna take You're 714 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna take hundreds of years of research and be like 715 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you in ten days or I'm gonna 716 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: tell you on ten pages. I'm like, Okay, well that's 717 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: some basic ass thinking. Okay, well, if I'm gonna be 718 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: basic like you, then I'm like, all right, And the 719 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: last thing I'll say, what just they want? 720 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 2: I think though, well yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what they want. 721 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 2: They want us to also be angry and dumb things down, 722 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: which I mean, I you something I love about your 723 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: show refuses to do, which is like what I try 724 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 2: to do as well, like refuse to dumb things down, 725 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 2: even though that is clearly from what you you see 726 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: from the MAHA movement kind of what works that does work. Unfortunately. 727 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the it's the hard part to argue 728 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,280 Speaker 1: to where you're like, like you said, look saturated facts 729 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: are bad and you agree, and you know what, eating 730 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: that bag of eating that bag of Lays. 731 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 3: It's you're right, that's bad. 732 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: Joe said, like you should definitely not eat that bag 733 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: of Lays or if you do, like maybe once, Like 734 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: come on, man, anyway. 735 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: None of by the way, none of that is new, 736 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: Like yeah, exactly. How like you tell professionals saying that 737 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 2: you shouldn't have too much process to I mean, Michelle 738 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 2: Obama was you know, crucified for for saying stuff like 739 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 2: this in the past. So this is people have been 740 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 2: saying this for years, about fifty five percent of Americans 741 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 2: get like a diet that is rich in processed foods. 742 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: It's it's absolutely it's absolutely real. But it's also groundbreaking news. 743 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 2: We've been saying this for a while and if that's 744 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: all they focused on, I would be okay. But he's 745 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 2: all with it, like like these things have to be 746 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 2: mutually exclusive, like you have to if you're gonna have 747 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 2: lower like processed food in your diet, you also have 748 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: to have more saturated fats. 749 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 3: Just doesn't you don't need you don't doesn't make any sense. 750 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Okay, my last question is about the season, 751 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: the basketball season. Okay, how you feel your boys are, 752 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: how you feel your boys are looking. 753 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 2: The Golden State Warriors, the greatest basketball team to ever play. 754 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: Ok, that's enough time, guys, Thank you very much. 755 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 2: Has it's gonna be rough. It's gonna be an interesting year. 756 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: I think there. I still feel like we will. 757 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 3: You're always a contender. 758 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're always a contender. When you have 759 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 2: a guy like Steph Curry on your team, you have 760 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 2: a puncher's chance and and you know what it is, man, 761 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 2: So it comes down to the same thing. What teams 762 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 2: are healthy at the end of the year, at the 763 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 2: end of the day. That's all. That's all it takes. 764 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 2: That's what's going on with You're healthy, We're okay. 765 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's going on with Lakers. 766 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: Man. It's just like like you know, Ar has really 767 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: came into his own. It's really dept to see. Uh, 768 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,479 Speaker 1: but he's hurt, you know. And I have been very 769 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: disappointed in Dalton Connect. I thought he was going to 770 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: be something then he wasn't. So like we've been calling 771 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: him the thrust. Let chase down here, uh Dalton Ar, 772 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, well. 773 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 2: I'll trade you. Well, we'll talk about getting Kamingo over 774 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: there for connect. 775 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: Man, maybe because like he's the kind of let us 776 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: down man, Like I'm like, we're down the dose lechase now. 777 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, you know, but like, yeah, chemistry, I 778 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: feel like with us, it's just until until until Lebron retires, 779 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: we can't really set a chemistry. 780 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too big of a it's a good problem 781 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: to have, but it's a problem. 782 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's too big of a presence. It's a good problem. 783 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: But like, you can't you can't create a chemistry, right, 784 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, you're right with with Steph when 785 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: you when you and I like staph there. 786 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 2: It's just I mean, I I tell people this all 787 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 2: the time. I've been the Warriors fan my whole life, 788 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 2: and I've seen they've only been good for a small 789 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 2: period of that time overall, And I stress to people 790 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 2: how much not only important is it that we've you know, 791 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 2: won a couple, but that we have a superstar of 792 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 2: this caliber. Like he's a genuinely good person, Like he's 793 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 2: a good man, dude. Yeah himah, And you know, yeah, 794 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 2: Kerr came out and spoke out against Ice in Minneapolis. 795 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 2: I mean, like, so don't you never coaches doing that 796 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: when I was young. I mean, like he represents. They 797 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 2: both do represent the bay I mean, we're not all 798 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 2: progressive and left here, but you know, we're a little 799 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 2: bit left the center overall from the rest of the country, 800 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 2: and they represent us. So, like, you know, I I 801 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 2: love that. And he's a genuinely good person. So I'm 802 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 2: a I'm a I'm a big fan. And yeah, and 803 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 2: the can I plug fiber, go for it. So eat 804 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 2: your fiber, people, I am worried about it taking a 805 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 2: back seat to pro In this article alone, proteins mentioned 806 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: seventeen times. Fibers mentioned too, so you know, get your 807 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 2: fiber out there. Follow me on Instagram at the House 808 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 2: of Pod and TikTok the House of Pod. Listen to 809 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 2: my podcast the House of the House of Pod, which 810 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 2: I feel like is a cousin of this show. I 811 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 2: feel like the related they have. There's there's some through 812 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 2: lines through both the show that I really like. So 813 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 2: if you like one, you're gonna like the other. 814 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: Facts totally agree. Man, well you already did the last part. 815 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: That's what I needed. I appreciate you, y'all. Okay, So 816 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, look, man, you got 817 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: to be able to doodo. So if so the only 818 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: way to doodo you got to eat your five listeners. 819 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 2: Listen. I have looked in a lot of American colons. 820 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: I may have looked in some of yours. I've looked 821 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 2: in a lot too many, too many. You may argue, yes, 822 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 2: and I can tell you right now you need more fiber. 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