1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the inspiring Robbie Rogers, 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: the accomplished TV producer behind so many fan favorite projects, 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: including what will surely become a fan favorite, the upcoming 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: series Fellow Travelers. This is one of the most highly 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: anticipated shows of the year, and for good reason. It 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: is absolutely brilliant. So Fellow Travelers is an epic LGBTQ 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: plus love story and political thriller chronicling the volatile romance 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: of two very different men who meet in the fifties 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: in McCarthy era Washington, which is one of the darkest 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: periods in American history, and they continue to face obstacles 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: in the world and in themselves throughout a period of 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: four different decades, from the fifties all the way through 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: the eighties. Matt Omer and Jonathan Bailey they lead the 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: series beautifully, along with the cast of characters that will justugh, 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: they'll just pull at your heart strings. And that is 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: the magic of Robbie man. Through his work, you feel 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: transported back in time to every decade on display in 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: Fellow Travelers, and you feel so deeply when watching the series, 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: and on a personal note, to see a show like 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: this being made. 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: It gives me hope. 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: It gives me hope for more inclusive quality content in 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: the future. And it's a show for everybody. It's a 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: show for anybody who has a heart, and I know 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: that's you listening. So today we're gonna dive into the 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: incredible series. We're also going to dive into many other topics, 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: like Robbie coming out as one of the very first 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: professional gay athletes. We're going to talk about how he's 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: learned to become proud of the person who he is 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: today and. 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: So much more. 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: So, let's see if today we can get Robbie to 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: say something that he's never said before. Robbie Rogers, how 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: are you today? 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: Good? It's good. It's good to be here, Tommy. 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for having Oh I'm so psyched to have you on. 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: Good God. 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: We're going to dive into your miniseries Fellow Travelers today, 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: which is so good. It's it's everything and more that 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: I would want in terms of content for the LGBTQ 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: plus community and beyond. It's it's just this incredibly powerful 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: love story, this thrilling political story, all the things there's 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: twisters turns, there's raw, real emotion. It's so fantastic. So 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: for everybody listening, why don't you set up this amazing 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: beautiful series. 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: Sure? 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 4: Sure, Well, first, it's it's really nice to hear that 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 4: we shout it about a year ago. So all of 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: like the battle scars of being in Toronto during you know, 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: the fall winter are still like very fresh from my mind. 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: So all that that work we put into it, it's 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: just really nice that people are starting to see it 54 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: and be able. 55 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: To talk about it now. So thank you so much, 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: Fellow Travelers. 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: Based off of Thomas mallan novel set in the Labyr 58 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: SCHAREDU McCarthy era, like the Red Scare in the fifties, 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: and you know what we've taken from that, you know, 60 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: it starts Levender Scare, and it touches a little bit 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: on these two guys that fell in love and like 62 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 4: the mystery behind their love story in the book, it 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: touches you know, the fifties and the eighties, but we 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: Ron and I and the writers and everyone involved have 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: expanded that. So the mini series is their love story 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: told over like multiple decades, the fifties, the sixties, Fire 67 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 4: Island in the seventies or just one of my favorite episodes, 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: and then obviously the eighties where they kind of you know, 69 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: reconnect as older men. But it's also like this political 70 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 4: it's you know, it's it's lace or it's kind of 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: intertwined with this political thriller. 72 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: You know. 73 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: Obviously, as I said, it's set in the fifties with McCarthy, 74 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: so it's it's the story of their interactions with him 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: and them trying to kind of take him down and 76 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: trying to. 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: Survive in that era when you know, gay men and women. 78 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 4: Were being purged from the government and and just banned 79 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: from you know, political life. 80 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: So I'm really proud of it. I'm really excited. Like 81 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: you said, it's got a lot of different access points. 82 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: You know. Obviously, the love story is really it's core, 83 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: but for people who love you know, political thrillers, political. 84 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: And dramas, it really is part for those people as well. 85 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: And the series centers on quite a terrifying time or times, 86 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: I should say, in America. Four queer people. So why 87 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: was this an important story for you to tell? 88 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: I When I first pictured the Saron, I were working 89 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: on my Police from the Other and he sent me 90 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: kind of I think a box of or maybe it 91 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: was like two or three. 92 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: Books, and I picked it up and I finished over 93 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: a week, and I didn't know. I didn't know anything 94 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 4: without the Lavender Scare, so I knew what the red 95 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: scare was, you know, a SEALESVT. Folks, we don't learn 96 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: really about our history in school unfortunately. So I was 97 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: kind of a love story set at a time and 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: a place when the stakes are like so high. I was, 99 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 4: you know, I don't think obsessed is the right word, 100 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: but I couldn't put the book down. And I think 101 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 4: for a lot of gay people in general, it's like 102 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 4: when you find someone that you love, you like hold 103 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: them a little bit more closely, and your time with 104 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: them is a little bit more precious because especially at 105 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: that time or you know, I don't know, know it 106 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: could say even now, it could be ripped away from 107 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: you at any moment, you know, especially then you know, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 108 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: you know where it was really life or death, or 109 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: as I said, you could be in a perching the government. 110 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: It's like those those love stories. 111 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: The stakes are so high because you could lose it 112 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: at any second, and so to tell us a love 113 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 4: story during that time, I was like, Ah, it's just 114 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: you know, it's an incredible story. But it's also, i think, 115 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: really great entertainment as you've seen. 116 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 117 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: No, it's super entertaining and it's super important and powerful, 118 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: which is why I love it. And I think, oh, 119 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we forget as a society how far 120 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: we've come. And it's very easy to take things for 121 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: granted that we have today. And yes, there are fights 122 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: that are still needing to be fought. Of course, there's 123 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: a lot more work that needs to be done, but 124 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: there's so much work that was done by the people 125 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: who have come before us. I'm a millennial and I 126 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: never want to stop learning about my past and the 127 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: history and the LGBTU plus community. And sometimes I feel 128 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: like the younger generations who I love, they don't always 129 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: understand what people have gone through to get us to 130 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: where we are today. 131 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: You know, Tommy, I. 132 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: Totally agree with you, I think, and not to be 133 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: like patronizing or condescending to anyone. 134 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: Really have come like such a long way. 135 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: And benefit from so much that has been you know, 136 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: done and accomplished and fought for, you know, before us. 137 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 4: So you know, I'm married and I have kids and 138 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 4: live a life with a lot of privileges, and so 139 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 4: our history and these books and these stories are are 140 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: really powerful and I you know, as I said, it's entertainment, 141 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: but it's still it's important for people. 142 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: To just be reminded of and to be you know, educated. 143 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: So I one hundred percent agree with you, And I 144 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: laugh because I know, yes, us millennials and people below 145 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: younger than us, sometimes we all think that we know 146 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: everything about the world. 147 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: But as we like delve into history and also see 148 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: how relevant it is. 149 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 4: Or you know, take things that we can learn and 150 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: learn about these stories, it's just, you know, it's really 151 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 4: rich storytelling and it's I think it's great for us 152 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: to just always be aware. 153 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: Of the past. 154 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the cast brings the story to life 155 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: in such a magnificent way. Let's let's start with you know, 156 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: the romantic story, right, Jonathan Bailey and Matt Bahmer and 157 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: this series are phenomenal, phenomenal, phenomenal. What made them the 158 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: right choices for you to tell the story? 159 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: I've known Matt now for a while and as you've seen, 160 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: Hawk is a character that you know on the surface 161 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: is incredibly beautiful and you can and very confident and surefooted, 162 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: and I thought Matt really presents as someone like that. 163 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: But also there's so many. 164 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: Layers to him as a person and so many layers 165 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: to him as an actor, and so as you see 166 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: as the series progresses and as Hawk changes, I just 167 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: knew instinctually and just knowing Matt that he could deliver, 168 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: you know, and that he would be just the perfect 169 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: guy for it, which. 170 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: He really is. 171 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: I Mean, I've loved him as an actor for a 172 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: long time, but I think this is just such a 173 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: special role for him, and his performance was is incredible, 174 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: and the work that he put in was really remarkable. 175 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: I mean just watching him, you know, every day set 176 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: and you know his preparation over the weekend, like he's 177 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: always a workaholic and takes things very seriously. 178 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: But it's just it was it was pretty remarkable and 179 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: inspiring to see him take this role on. 180 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: And then Jonathan Bailey I knew because we Michael Branch 181 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: introduced me to him when we were auditioning people for 182 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: My Policeman, and you know, everyone knows Jonathan from Bridgerton, 183 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: which is like he's a sexy British guy. 184 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: But I having that conversation with Johnny over, you. 185 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: Know, my policeman for a very different part, I could 186 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: see the innocence and the youthfulness and the idealism in him. 187 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: And so when we. 188 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 4: Started to talk about who Tim would be, you know, 189 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: I thought that he could be just a really incredible 190 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: Tim and he's an incredible actor. And their chemistry is, 191 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 4: you know, until you really see them in a room together, 192 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 4: you're not sure. But we had a little chemistry read 193 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 4: for showtime and for Freemantle, and and I would think 194 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 4: it was within seconds that people were just like, Okay, 195 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 4: we're good, Like we got this very exciting. 196 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: So they and the. 197 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: Rest of the cast, Jeannie and Noah and Aaron and 198 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: Alicon like there's well, like we got so lucky. 199 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: And they were so professional, all of them. So you know, 200 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: we're thrilled with how it all turned out. 201 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 202 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the performances were fantastic and the content, the scenes, well, 203 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: there are so many powerful ones throughout the series. I'm 204 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: curious to know if for you there was a scene 205 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: or a historical era that you really you really stayed 206 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: with that time period or that particular scene after you 207 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: were done filming it. 208 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: There's so many different scenes. 209 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 4: It's really hard to choose because I think, like you, 210 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: you know, as we look back at like like I 211 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 4: wasn't part of fire Island in the seventies, which seems like, wow, 212 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: that's crazy and a lot of fun, and like that 213 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: doesn't exist anymore. Like there's obviously different versions of what 214 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 4: Fireland is now. But there's a lot that I in 215 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: the show that I kind of wish I could have 216 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: experienced in some way or or want to know more about. 217 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: But I would say there is a moment, and I 218 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 4: don't want to spoil anything, but there's a moment of 219 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: the guys in the show where they're dancing and they're 220 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: completely naked, and I remember being on set and I. 221 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: Was behind the monitor and I just start crying. 222 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: And I was like, gosh, for people at this time, 223 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: you know, this is in the fifties, That was in 224 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: the fifties, and I think fifty six or for people 225 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: at that time to be hiding in their apartments or 226 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 4: in their homes and to be in this room and 227 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: to be into it with each other and vulnerable and 228 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: naked and dancing together while like the world outside like 229 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 4: hates them and wants them, you know, purging their jobs. 230 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: And I'm assuming, like, you know, I don't think it 231 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: would be go going too far to say, you know, 232 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: like just removed from the country or from you know, society, 233 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 4: to like hold each other that closely and to be 234 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 4: able to have this moment and to love each other. 235 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: I just I found it incredibly emotional. And I remember 236 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 4: like going up to Matt and Johnny or maybe even both, 237 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: like after they had their clothes on, and just being like, gosh, 238 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: it's just so beautiful and not in like a in 239 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 4: the way, you know. 240 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: When I read this in the script, I was like, Oh, 241 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: this is gonna be really sexy. Blah blah blah. It 242 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: was just so emotional for me. 243 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: And so I remember that feeling being on set at 244 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: like you know, I don't know, three or four of 245 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 4: the morning in Toronto and kind of and just crying 246 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: because I just found it really beautiful. So there's quite 247 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 4: a few moments like that in the show that I 248 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: that I remember, you know, vividly, but I would say 249 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 4: that was the one that I that always like comes 250 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: back to me and when I see it. 251 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: When I was when we were editing the episodes, or 252 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: when I've rewatched it, I have that super feeling. 253 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: Well, And I think that scene and many other scenes 254 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: are why this series is so revolutionary, even in twenty 255 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty three, because we come very close to having history 256 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: repeating itself many times, right, and it's not that foreign 257 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: of a concept that it could. So I think that's 258 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: why the series and showing moments like that when you 259 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: say it made you emotional, knowing how safe and protected 260 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: they were in that apartment dancing naked because they couldn't 261 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: do that in the outside world and be who they are. 262 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: It's so meaning and moving, moving because it is something 263 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: that you know, you just you hope we never have 264 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: to ever live through again, right of. 265 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 4: Course, and you know we made in Toronto, and most 266 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 4: of us are Americans that we're in this production, but 267 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: we take it for granted a little bit living in 268 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: the United States that we have like these freedoms. I 269 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: think it's important to remind you, like this is an 270 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: international show. I know it's on Pairmount plus around and 271 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 4: show them around the world, and you know, there's many 272 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: countries where you couldn't even have the freedom to show 273 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 4: a show like this, to watch a show like this, 274 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: So it still really exists, and like you said, you know, 275 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: as we've learned over the last few years as well, 276 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: like it's very fragile state of LGBT politics in different states. 277 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: So it's not you know, I live in Los Angeles 278 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: with my family, and so I'm very, very privileged and 279 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: i have a lot of benefits there, but it's not 280 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: the same for everyone around the United States and around 281 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: the world. 282 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an important message worth sharing. And again another 283 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: reason why the series is so meaningful and will be 284 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: so meaningful to so many people. Something that I really 285 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: thought was cool in this series is how sexy it was, 286 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: but not in the way that you might think. 287 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't salacious. 288 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: It was the sex scenes had reason, they had power, 289 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: dynamics they had they were advancing the storytelling. And I 290 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: find in a lot of content and shows and movies 291 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: that are LGBTQ plus tailored, the love scenes are just 292 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: watered down or they're just so incorrect. It's like, that's 293 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: not how it works, And it's just disappointing because it's 294 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: like this rated rated, rated GGG version of it. But 295 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: you guys go there, you guys show it, you guys 296 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: explore it and I think that's a really important thing 297 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: to show people. So was that something you were very 298 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: conscious of when you were part of this project. 299 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: We were you know, Ron has a rule in the 300 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: writer's room about like any scene like if it isn't 301 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: really making you turn the page or like push the 302 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: story forward, then like you know, we're throwing it away, 303 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: and it's pretty harsh about it. 304 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: So I would say the same with like the sex scenes, 305 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 4: and like everything you said, you know, I agree with, 306 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 4: And that's it's true, is that it's not we don't 307 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 4: just have sex, like okay, now we're going to the 308 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: sex part so that the audience you know, has their 309 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: Phillip sex. It's very much a power dynamic between Hawk 310 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 4: and Tim and between Jelanny and Noah's character, Frank Frankie 311 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: and Marcus, and even at times like Alison and Alison 312 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: and Matt's characters. So it's all about power dynamics. It's 313 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,359 Speaker 4: very authentic. It wasn't our intention ever to be salacious. 314 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: We want to just be authentic to the passion that 315 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: people would have again living at these times as I said, 316 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: when when it was you know, so sensitive and when 317 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: it could be ripped from you from any moments. So 318 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: you know, I think and I can speak to this 319 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: as like, you know, I'm sure any gay man or 320 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 4: woman can speak to this as like because you most 321 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: of us have grown up, you know, in the way 322 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: that we've grown up where we're not necessarily like loved 323 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: by our families, our religions, our government. Like when you 324 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: find someone that you love and you get to be 325 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: into with them, it's like incredibly it can be incredibly 326 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: passionate and vulnerable. So we wanted to make sure that 327 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: we to that and that we were authentic, and you know, 328 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 4: all of us discussed, but Matt and Johnny as well, 329 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: and all the actors, you know, they discussed how they 330 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: wanted to portray it, and they were very involved. 331 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: So I think we all you know, found trust before we. 332 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: Started shooting, but while we were shooting, is like, Okay, 333 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: this is how we want to do this. And obviously 334 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: they were like if you look, you know, throughout the 335 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: whole entire projects for a lot of those people involved, 336 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: which I think was helpful to make sure that we 337 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: were on the same page and that we did something 338 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: that was different but shoot a story. 339 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, seeing those dynamics played out is truly a treat 340 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: as a viewer, and I think it's really cool to 341 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: watch that unfold. And another relationship that's fantastic Marcus and Frankie. 342 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: You just brought them up. You have a black journalist 343 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and a drag performer. What excited you about exploring that 344 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: relationship in those dynamics. 345 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: I'm really excited to see or I was excited to see, 346 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: like especially at that time, like fighting for civil rights 347 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: and serigation, like for a black man to you know, 348 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: he walks out of his house, he's a black man 349 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: first for the most part. You know Frankie, maybe it's 350 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: a little different. Like I think maybe someone would see 351 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: Frankie and would get an idea maybe that Frankie was 352 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: you know gay. But for Marcus, you know, him dealing 353 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 4: with you know, being a black man first and fighting 354 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: for those rights and then also being a gay man 355 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: and struggling with that and also not being accepted in 356 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 4: his own community and dealing with his masculinity. 357 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: Like I just found that like really complex and interesting. 358 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: So you know, that love story told over multiple decades, 359 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: and like I wish we even had like more time 360 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: to get into that love story. It was just something 361 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: really like still to this day, Like, yeah, I like 362 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: would love to discuss more in a writer's room and 363 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: to deeper into that. So that was like just something 364 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: I hadn't seen before, and I know that was exciting 365 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: to Ron and all the writers and the directors also 366 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: like listening to Jelania and Noah talked how it was 367 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: for them coming out and you know, talking about like 368 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: their interest in that the historical aspect of that. So 369 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 4: they have an incredible story together that's you know, very 370 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 4: up and down. It's a roller coaster, much like Tim 371 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: and Hawk, but and really sexy. But I just I 372 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: really found that interesting. And also Marcus like being attracted 373 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: mostly usually to like very masculine men, but then finding 374 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: this like love in Frankie and in Frankie's like tenderness. 375 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 4: I just it was like so many dynamics, so interesting 376 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: to me. You know, it gets quite emotional, especially when 377 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: they like start to when they bring Jude into the 378 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: into the picture, which I found also another part of 379 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 4: their story. 380 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: That was like very emotional. 381 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I messaged Jelanie he's a friend, and I said, oh, 382 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: so damn proud of you. Like this character of this performance. 383 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: It blew me away. I think it's so everyone. But 384 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: he was so great in this role. 385 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was incredible. 386 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 387 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: What do you hope people walk away with after they 388 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: watched this series, especially in the community and outside of 389 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: the community. Are they different messages for each group of people? 390 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: Is it the same message? 391 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 2: What do you think? 392 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: I mean? I hope it's the same message. I hope 393 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: people are like thoroughly entertained, Like this is entertainment. 394 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 4: This isn't a you know, a history lesson, although it's 395 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 4: set like important moments in history. I want people that 396 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: are like, wow, that was really really entertaining, you know, 397 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: and that they were thrilled by it, that they felt 398 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 4: the tension. 399 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 3: But more than anything, I just hope that they're like, wow. 400 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: That was an epic love story. That was an epic 401 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 4: love story, and now I am finished and I have 402 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 4: no more emotions left, because that's how I felt working 403 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 4: on it. 404 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: That's how I felt, you know, at the end of 405 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: different episodes. 406 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 4: But definitely, you know, rolling credits in episode eight, I 407 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: was like crying out loud, like just even watching the 408 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: director's cut. 409 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: So I hope people feel that same emotion, you. 410 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: Know, regardless of being gay or straight or you know, However, 411 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: people identify like I just I hope that they have 412 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 4: that same feeling that I did, you know, discussing this 413 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: project with Ron and then met and then everyone involved, 414 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 4: and then seeing the final cuts, like I really am 415 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: proud of it, and I hope that's how people feel 416 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 4: when they see it. 417 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's total escapism, and I don't care what walk 418 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: of life you come from. I think it's just a 419 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: beautiful love story and entertaining, like you said, and it's 420 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: told in all the decades, which makes it really fun 421 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: to go through each one. I kind of love this 422 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: more and I think you guys should be so proud 423 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: of what you created. It's really it's really something special, 424 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: and we need more quality material like this. I'm not 425 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: knocking anything that's come out in the past, but I 426 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: crave content like this, and I think it's so refreshing. 427 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: We finally have it, you know, right right right yeah. 428 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: I someone asked me like, where does this fall in 429 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 4: the landscape of like LGBT content, And I was like, well, 430 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 4: it's interesting you say that, you know, I haven't ever 431 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 4: really thought of that. And it feels like, you know, 432 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: we're lucky to live in time that we have like more 433 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 4: diverse content in terms of like genres, you know, like Red, White, 434 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 4: Roll Blue came out, like heart Stoppers is obviously the 435 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: Andrew Hague movie that I'm excited to see. And so 436 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: I'm excited now that like and the l word like 437 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: like there's a lot of different shows out they're and 438 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: I'm excited for fellow chowders to be part of that 439 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 4: and to be a different part of that. But I agree, 440 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 4: I think it's like we need more content like this 441 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: that's you know, very elevated and just more content in general, 442 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: you know. So I'm excited to be part of the 443 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 4: you know, LGB content, but to be you know, everyone 444 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: did such an incredible job, so this is very elevated, 445 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 4: very well done. So like I know, I'm glad you've 446 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: said it, but we are, we are very we are. 447 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: Very proud of it. 448 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah you should be. 449 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: And I know that you personally really connect to this 450 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: type of content, especially with your background and your story, 451 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: which is fascinating. In twenty thirteen, I believe you came 452 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: out as gay right as a professional soccer player, and 453 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: then you quit and then you came back to it, 454 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: and it was pretty revolutionary because not. 455 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: I don't think any professional athletes at that time had 456 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: or maybe a couple. 457 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: I might be incorrect, but maybe if any a couple, 458 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: but barely any. And there you were, just coming out 459 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: and living in your truth. You have to talk to 460 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: me for a minute about that moment because I think 461 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: it's such a pivot, little part of your journey. And 462 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: I think it's also a reason why you and correct 463 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but why you gravitate towards this 464 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: type of material as well. 465 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. 466 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know Scott Berg, he's a 467 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: really great writer, historical writer, Poultry Prize when he's a 468 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: friend of mine. He after watched the pilot, you know, 469 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 4: he'd seen My Policeman and he knows as the material 470 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 4: that I'm interested in, and he's like, we have to 471 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: have a larger discussion of why you're so drawn to. 472 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: Know this these periods and these love stories. 473 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 4: And I think it's and I don't at all want 474 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 4: to compare because like again very different, you know when 475 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 4: we talk about you know, the life and dest situations 476 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 4: of gay men and women during these different times in 477 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 4: our history, Like it's it's very severe. So I don't 478 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 4: want to say that, like that was my experience in sports. 479 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 4: But in sports, I played around the world, played here 480 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: in Maryland, went to Olympics with Finash team, and I 481 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 4: just the amount of homophobia and the amount of just 482 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 4: homophobic things that I heard on daily basis just really 483 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 4: scared the crap out of me and really made me 484 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: feel like I wasn't welcome and that I couldn't be 485 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 4: who I was. And and that's why when I. 486 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: Came out, I retired, I was like, I'm not going 487 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: to be part of this world. 488 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 4: It wasn't until after that that you know a lot 489 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 4: of those same people reached out to me and I felt, 490 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 4: you know, enough support and I kind of found the 491 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: courage and myself to go back. But I just it 492 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: was a world that you know, I wasn't around during 493 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 4: the fifties, but it felt like you could be purged 494 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 4: from a sport or a job that you had, you know, 495 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: loved since. 496 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: You were five years old. Like it was very, very, 497 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: very toxic. And that's why there aren't many of us. 498 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 4: You know, there's a handful of gay male athletes in 499 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: the entire world, justin Fashnu who was you know, the 500 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 4: only gay soccer gay footballer soccer player to come out 501 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 4: and playing in the Premier League like killed himself. 502 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: So it's obviously, I don't know, it's a world that 503 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: has has. 504 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: Become more accepting and is not as homophobic, but still 505 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 4: there are no gay soccer players footballers in like any 506 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 4: of Europe's top top leagues. I think in America's top league, 507 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: never that played the national team or you know, I 508 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 4: think I'm the only you know Olympian that's played, you 509 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: know out Olympian that's played, and I was closed at 510 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: the time. So it's it is, you know, it's a 511 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: scary world and very homophobic, and I experienced all that. 512 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: So I I think I'm attracted to these love stories 513 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: where there is so much oppression because, as I said earlier, 514 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: like just the stakes are so high for these people 515 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: and they feel, I think, inside so unloved by so 516 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 4: many people. So to find someone that loves them, it's 517 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 4: just incredibly. 518 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: Emotional for me. And and so I. 519 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 4: Think I will always try not just you know, gay 520 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 4: love stories obviously, but always try to find stories that 521 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: where people are like outsiders, where they have you know, 522 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: enormous obstacles to overcome, you know, that kind of drives 523 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: me as a storyteller and as a producer. And I 524 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 4: really when I find those stories, become very passionate about 525 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 4: like how do we do this. I don't care if 526 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: I have a million those like I'm going to find 527 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: that one, yes, and so I will. 528 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: Continue to do that. 529 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's it's probably a larger conversation and 530 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: with my therapist as well, but you know, I do, 531 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 4: I do. 532 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: I am really driven and focus on finding the stories. 533 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: And I keep hearing you mentioned the word love, which 534 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: seems to be a theme for you. Is is that 535 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: something you've always wanted? 536 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: Have you? 537 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: Are you hopeless romantic? Did you imagine yourself married? Is 538 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: that something that was always important to you? Or it 539 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: just kind of happened for you? 540 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 4: Well, I always wanted to, you know, find someone obviously 541 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 4: that I could love and be with for. 542 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: The rest of my life. 543 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if I realized when I was younger 544 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: that I could like be married to a man, you know, 545 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 4: I didn't. You know, I had internal home momophobia obviously, 546 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 4: as I just mentioned a homophobia around me. So I 547 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 4: don't I think I was just trying to survive. If 548 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 4: I'm being honest, and I didn't ever know if that 549 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: would be a reality for me. But I think it's 550 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 4: just it was like the love that I didn't necessarily 551 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 4: have for myself, or that I didn't feel people had 552 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: for me. Like I was, I'm like searching for it 553 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: in stories, and you know, I'm lucky to find that 554 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: in Greg and in my my husband and my two kids, 555 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 4: and why I hate to be away from them, and 556 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: uh love experience. I really enjoy experiencing everything with them, 557 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 4: whether it's we're in Toronto producing something or whether we're 558 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 4: you know, at a parent in me class, Like I 559 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: love to do that stuff altogether, because you know, I didn't. 560 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 4: I don't think I thought I would have that when 561 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: I was younger. Now, when I was like sitting in 562 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 4: these locker rooms and people were saying, you know, the 563 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: most outrageous things. 564 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: So you know, as we said earlier, I guess it 565 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: just reminds me how lucky we are. 566 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 4: And you know, as we we tell stories about these 567 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 4: other periods and I'm the fifties, eighties, nineties or these 568 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: other places in the world, like it's just always so 569 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: great to remember, like ash gosh, like people have done 570 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 4: so much work so that I can be at a 571 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 4: parent and nee class that. 572 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 3: Jewish school in Los Angeles with my husband and kids. 573 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that amazing? And I so relate to you 574 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: on that. 575 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: I never was somebody who wanted to get married, so 576 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: I thought, But then I realized I thought that because 577 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: I never thought I deserve to. And here I am 578 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: almost eight years married to my husband, and it's one 579 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: of the things I treasure the most for all the 580 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: reasons that you talked about. And I love that you 581 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: and your husband Greg share your love on social media 582 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: and share moments with your family. And I know, of 583 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: course you keep things certain things to yourselves as well 584 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: as we do, but that's super important for us because 585 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: visibility matters, and I think that the more people can 586 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: see that dynamic, the more it becomes second nature. 587 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's just a normal couple. You know. 588 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 4: We've talked about that, because it's just natural for me 589 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: to be like, oh, here's my husband. 590 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 3: And kids, you know, just right, any couple. But then 591 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: sometimes we're like, oh, should we not do that? Should 592 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 3: we be careful? 593 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: You know? 594 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: Are we like is there any kind of like safety, 595 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 4: Like we all these strange things that go through our heads. 596 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 4: But it is important, I think for you and your husband, 597 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: for myself and Greg, like we we do hear from 598 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: a lot of people that it's like, oh, it's it's 599 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: so nice to see you and your kids on social media. 600 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 4: Of course, there's a lot of stuff that we keep 601 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 4: riving and you know where we are, what we're doing. 602 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: But you know, it's funny. We've had those those conversations 603 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 4: which again like feel a little silly. It feels like, 604 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: you know, like any like my brothers and sisters who 605 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 4: share their lives on social media, their kids and their 606 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 4: their loved ones, like we should do the same. 607 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: But you know it, it is true. 608 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 4: It means I think it means a little bit more 609 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 4: to people around the world because against social media is 610 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 4: obviously an international thing, and as we said, Earl, there's 611 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: a lot of places where people aren't lucky like you 612 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 4: and I. 613 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: And so I think it's important, I guess is the 614 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 3: way I never I don't like these we're important. I don't. 615 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: Sometimes feels a little strange to me, but it is 616 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: a necessary thing I think times for us to share 617 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 4: these things. 618 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and it's one of the many reasons why. 619 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: And I'm super excited that you're on today because the 620 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Out one hundred list is coming out and I know 621 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: you were chosen for that, which is a huge honor 622 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: and it honors, you know, trail blazers in the community 623 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: doing awesome things. I was selected this year too, and 624 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, is that a mistake? Like, so, it's such 625 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: an honor because you never imagined something like that happening 626 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: when you're young in closet and you're like, wow, I'm 627 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: actually being recognized for that, and there's so many reasons 628 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: why you are you're being recognized. So for you, what 629 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: does that honor mean? Is that something you even thought 630 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: was imaginable when you were younger? 631 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 4: No, No, I especially when I talk about my experience 632 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 4: as a soccer player and like an out soccer player, 633 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 4: and then like people using the word, you know, role 634 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: model around that, Like I came out because I was 635 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: so unhappy and I needed to I need to remove 636 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 4: myself from that world and I needed to change my life. 637 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 4: Like it wasn't I didn't have any intention to be 638 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 4: a role model to help people to you know, inspire 639 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 4: young soccer players to come out and continue to play, 640 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: Like that wasn't my mission. It was really to like 641 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 4: survive and to find to change my life where I 642 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 4: could find happiness. 643 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: So I didn't know what the out one hundred was then, 644 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: but like, I. 645 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 4: Guess it makes me feel and I I think it 646 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 4: was like, you know, your last question of the segment. 647 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 4: So I don't want to get too far ahead, but 648 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 4: like it makes me just look back and be like, oh, 649 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: I'm really proud of what I've overcome, and I'm not 650 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 4: good at that. I'm not good at being you know, 651 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: being still for a moment and being like, oh, this 652 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: was really hard, and I'm proud that I've overcome this 653 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: and that, you know, young people can go on social 654 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 4: media and see my husband and kids and be like, oh, 655 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 4: I want a life like that. 656 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: Like that's pretty cool. 657 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 4: So, you know, being on the out one hundred lists 658 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 4: and seeing also all the incredible people that are. 659 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: On that list to be name with them is. 660 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 4: Really something I never imagined and thought was possible, especially 661 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 4: as I was like a young closet soccer player, you know, 662 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 4: or football or like you. 663 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 3: Know, sitting in Holland or wherever I was at the time. 664 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: So it's it's really. 665 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: Incredible and it's it's an honor, and you know, it's 666 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 4: special for me. And one day, like when our kids 667 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 4: are a little bit older and I see that, like, 668 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 4: I think that will also be really cool to discuss 669 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 4: with them. 670 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you're right, it's hard to relish in your 671 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: accomplishments and achievements and honors, and admittedly I'm terrible at 672 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: that too, But I hope you're going to take some 673 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: time to soak this one in because it is a 674 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: big deal and it's making a difference for many people 675 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: out there, which I think is so important, which leads 676 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: to the final question of this interview. The show is 677 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: called I've never said this before. You have been wonderfully 678 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: open and gracious and sharing your life experiences today, but 679 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there is anything else that you've never 680 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: said before that you could share today. 681 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was. 682 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 4: I told you I'm in DC right now, University of Maryland, 683 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 4: And so I was just on the airplane yesterday, you know, 684 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 4: going through the emails and you know, just preparing for 685 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 4: this for your podcast. And I know I said it 686 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: earlier on you know, I don't know thirty seconds ago 687 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: or a minute ago, but I was like, oh, what, 688 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 4: you know, like say something funny, but I'm not very funny. 689 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 4: I could say, you know something, I was like, oh, 690 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 4: then I sound like I'll be a millennial. 691 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: But you know, there's there's one thing that I and 692 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: I said, I'm not good at at. 693 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 4: Admitting and I am always going from thing to thing, 694 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 4: and usually it's my husband that kind of stops me, 695 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 4: and usually in the kitchen in the morning when I'm 696 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 4: having coffee and he kind of looks at me, He's like, 697 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: I'm really proud of you, and you know, and I 698 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 4: usually like you turn away from that and smile, but 699 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: like feel sometimes like insecure about that, and you know, 700 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 4: it's something obviously I need to work on. But I 701 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: would say, you know to everyone listening, like I'm really proud, 702 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: especially being here at the University of Maryland and like 703 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 4: remembering who I was and where I was at this 704 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 4: moment in my life. So I'm really just proud of 705 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: what I have accomplished, we've overcome, really proud of my family. 706 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: And I'm sure there are a lot of your listeners 707 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 4: who don't say that enough about everything that they've accomplished 708 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 4: and what they've overcome and who they are. And so 709 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 4: in the least patronizing way, and I'm really not great 710 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 4: at giving advice. I would just you know, I would 711 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 4: say we should all kind of embrace that word more 712 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 4: and and you know, say to ourselves more often. But 713 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 4: I am really proud of my life and and you 714 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 4: know how my story has been used in ways that 715 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 4: again I had no intention. You know, it's really I'm 716 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 4: very lucky. 717 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: I'm very lucky. So I'm proud of all of that. 718 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: And I believe it looking at you, I believe that 719 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: you're proud of that. It's one thing to say it. 720 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I think I see it in your eyes, and you 721 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: do have so much to be proud of. Like I said, 722 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: this series is just wonderful. This is I hope not 723 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the end, and maybe in anthology will be happening. 724 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 4: We've discussed it, you know, it's you've discussed different versions 725 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: of what would the next season be, so we'll see. 726 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, there's there's so many rich stories 727 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 4: to take from this and different periods and ways to go. 728 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: But because it's so well executed, I think you could 729 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 4: you could definitely do a second season. 730 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: Amazing. 731 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's Halloween week, which means I know you all 732 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: are going out to Halloween parties that are listening, But 733 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: when you're done, take some time watch this mini series. 734 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: It is so fantastic. It is out now. 735 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: It is everything and more that you would want in 736 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: a mini series. And like I said, it's it's equal 737 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: parts powerful but entertaining, and I think that's what's so magical. 738 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: Anybody from any walk of life can enjoy this. So congratulations. 739 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: It is absolutely fantastic. And if you are at the 740 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: at one hundred party in La maybe I'll. 741 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: See you there. 742 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: All righty, thanks so much for having me. 743 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: Thank your congrats again, be well, I've never said this before. 744 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: It is hosted by me, Tommy Diderio. This podcast is 745 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: executive produced by Andrew Please see at iHeartRadio and by me, 746 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: Tommy I've never said this before. It is part of 747 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: the Elvis de Ram podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. For more, 748 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: rate review and subscribe to our show and if you 749 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: liked the episode, tell your friends. 750 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: Until next time. 751 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm Tommy de Dario and I hope this show encourages 752 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: you to say something that you've never said before.