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Speaker 2: All right, There's never been a night quite like this.

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Speaker 2: On Friday, November fifteenth, Netflix and Most Valuable Promotions bring

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Speaker 2: you the highly anticipated boxing mega EVENTD of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Jake al Gaio Paul will go toe to toe in

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Speaker 2: the ring against Iron Mike Tyson, for a long time,

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Speaker 2: the baddest man on the planet. When a disruptor challenges

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Speaker 2: a legend, anything can happen. Also that night, a historic

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Speaker 2: rematch between the Brave Bomber Katie Taylor and Amanda The

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Speaker 2: Real Deal Toronto, the last time they met in the ring,

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Speaker 2: history was made, Women's boxing was catapulted in new hypes. Though,

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Speaker 2: these are the fights the world's been waiting for. Don't

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Speaker 2: miss these epic showdowns. It is live from AT and

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Speaker 2: T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. Watch Paul versus Tyson Friday

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Speaker 2: November fifteenth, eight pm Eastern five BM Pacific live on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: You can also follow the road to the fight by

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Speaker 2: watching Countdown Paul Versus Tyson, a three part documentary series

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Speaker 2: beginning November twelfth, only on Netflix. I am going to

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Speaker 2: interview Jim Gray for about twenty to thirty minutes coming

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Speaker 2: up on Mike Tyson, his career and the fight with

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Speaker 2: Jake Paul, and after that, I'm going to have kind

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Speaker 2: of my preview, my guess on what happens. I've watched

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Speaker 2: these two fight a lot, and we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 2: But first, Jim Gray, well, he's the longtime host of

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Speaker 2: Let's Go with Bill Belichick, Peter King, and Max Crosby.

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Speaker 2: Multiple Emmy Award winning broadcaster, Jim Gray, and I thought

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Speaker 2: I would start with this. You know, I was very

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Speaker 2: lucky out of college. I got a job in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: You and I may have touched on this before. I

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Speaker 2: covered Mike Tyson, like right at the semi beginning of

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Speaker 2: his career, not in the cat skills, but his first

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Speaker 2: foray into Las Vegas, and he was fascinating. He was

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Speaker 2: pivoting from custom motto to Don King John Horn, if

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Speaker 2: I recall, was in his corner. It was a tumultuous,

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Speaker 2: fascinating time. And I would go to his workouts at

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Speaker 2: the top ranked gym, which is not that far from

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Speaker 2: And again at this point, Tyson was an enigma, fascinating,

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Speaker 2: he was all things boxing. You just it was like

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Speaker 2: nothing we'd seen. It was a hurricane. You followed him

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Speaker 2: longer than I have. So what am I to make

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Speaker 2: of this fight and his return?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, he just had a career unlike anything else,

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Speaker 1: really almost anything else in sports. When when you consider,

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Speaker 1: you know, the youngest heavyweight champion, and you came in

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Speaker 1: you know, from great heights of tremendous greatness to depths

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Speaker 1: of despair and destruction. And so when you say you

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Speaker 1: know this guy has not fought, you know, he threw

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Speaker 1: in the towel in the seventh round, But Kevin McBride

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Speaker 1: as far as a competitive fight, we're coming up on

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty years twenty years, nineteen years ago, since that

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Speaker 1: And Jake Paul was on that card. Jake Paul fought

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Speaker 1: I didn't know Jake, and I was only supposed to

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Speaker 1: But I don't know Jake. And now Mike Tyson, you know,

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Speaker 1: long winded. I don't think you want to get hit

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Speaker 1: This guy is menacing and he is in fantastic shape.

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Speaker 1: what yeh, and it's menacing? Is he iron? Mike? No,

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Speaker 2: Will this look like Mike and Roy Jones Junior, which

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Speaker 2: to me was disappointing because it was obvious Mike wasn't

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Speaker 2: exhibition slash entertainment. Will this be similar or a real fight?

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Speaker 2: Well sanctioned does a real fight in Texas? They have

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Speaker 1: All agreed to. You know, I thought for Mike, who

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think that Jake Paul, if

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Speaker 1: I think Mike's gonna try and you know, knock him out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always I always supported Jake Paul's venture because I

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Speaker 2: a young, tough kid. You could find him in any

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Speaker 2: So I mean, he's obviously you know how's to build

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Speaker 2: That would be my strategy if Mike punches himself out anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Of course yes. And I don't diminish Jake Paul. I

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Speaker 1: So boxing on its big nights still attracts a major audience,

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Speaker 2: And he did land one great, one great punch to

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Speaker 2: He just wouldn't want the heat for four rounds, right.

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Speaker 2: I think Mike is gonna have moments that we're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I'm not objective, Okay. I've been with Mike Tyson since

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Speaker 2: was Bob Costas's first job. My first job was doing

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Speaker 2: a one inning of play by play in Las Vegas

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Speaker 2: for the Potterre's Triple A affiliate, and then I got

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Speaker 2: a job. Frank Belmont hired me to do some boxing

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Speaker 2: stuff HBO International Feed, and I did some local sportscasting,

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Speaker 2: and so I was the luckiest guy in the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm twenty four years old, I'm in Vegas and it

435
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Speaker 2: was the fastest growing city. And you know, I don't gamble.

436
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm a small town, rural kid. And I followed Tyson

437
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Speaker 2: and I saw a couple of fights. Hagler, Hearns Live.

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Speaker 2: The greatest fight I've ever been to I saw. I

439
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Speaker 2: just I just feel like it was a different life.

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, Mike Tyson fights in his prime.

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Speaker 2: It's the only sporting event I've gone to that makes

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Speaker 2: me nervous. Interesting it super Bowls don't, Final Fours don't.

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Speaker 2: There was something about the energy of it that if

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Speaker 2: you've never been to a big fight, and this will

445
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Speaker 2: be a big fight, there is of all the stuff

446
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Speaker 2: you've covered, I always felt boxing felt different.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like it. You're exactly right on a fight

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Speaker 1: of big magnitude, you know, Ali Spinks, Hagler, Hearns, Mayweather,

449
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Speaker 1: Pakia Go. I'll take it anywhere you want, wherever you want,

450
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: in any era, when those folks are walking into the

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Speaker 1: ring and it's the five or seven minutes before and

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Speaker 1: then the introductions are made by Jimmy Lennon Junior, or

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Speaker 1: by Michael Buffer, or by you know, I can the

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Speaker 1: olden days, you know, Jimmy's father and son. You know,

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Speaker 1: there is nothing like it anywhere. The only thing that

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Speaker 1: remotely compares to me, and I've been lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: be at fourteen of them, is the opening ceremony of

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Speaker 1: the Olympics, when the torch is lit. That's the only

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Speaker 1: feeling of anticipation that compares to a big prize fight.

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Speaker 1: And big prize fights happened a lot more than every

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Speaker 1: four years, so once twice a year you get that feeling.

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Speaker 1: And there's even like we had it for Deontay Wilder

463
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Speaker 1: and and Tyson Fury in their matches. Oh I went

464
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Speaker 1: to you know, when he came in in that carriage

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Speaker 1: and they're playing whatever the song was, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing like this feeling and the anticipation

467
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: and everybody's standing up and they got their phones now

468
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Speaker 1: in their cheir and then they're singing and it's it's

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Speaker 1: pretty wild, and I think we're going to have that

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Speaker 1: at Texas Stadium. I'm sure they'll be whatever fifty thousand

471
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Speaker 1: plus people in the stadium, which is a huge crowd.

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Speaker 1: It's cavernous, So it's going to probably not have the

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Speaker 1: same feeling of like the MGM Grand Garden or T

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Speaker 1: Mobile or you know, a smaller a smaller venue maybe

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Speaker 1: perhaps outside at the we call it the Punch Bowl

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Speaker 1: the old Stuff Hub Center down in Carson. But I

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Speaker 1: think that that feeling, Colin, that feeling is going to

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Speaker 1: be there for this, just because hey, he's Mike Tyson

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Speaker 1: and it's getting so much publicity there advertising this on

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Speaker 1: the NFL, on Fox, on NBC during Sunday Night Football,

481
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Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, every time you turn on ESPN, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're running these ads and Netflix, you know, with all

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Speaker 1: of these millions of subscribers, you know, on a Friday

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Speaker 1: night in the middle of the fall, I think November fifteenth,

485
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Speaker 1: I don't know what college football it's up against, but

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Speaker 1: I think that this fight is going to attract a

487
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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of attention, and we just hope that you

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Speaker 1: know that it's entertaining. And again, I just don't want

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Speaker 1: to see Mike get hurt or Jake, I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see him get hurt either, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to see, let's have some fun with this.

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Speaker 1: I hope that that's the spirit that it's created in.

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Speaker 1: I think that Mike is now at a point. He

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Speaker 1: says that old iron Micha will never be back the

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Speaker 1: guy who's vicious, mean, who you know, has a screw

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Speaker 1: loose that he doesn't want to go back there. But

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Speaker 1: he says, I don't have to be at that point

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Speaker 1: internally to be able to beat this guy. So be interesting.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Do you think that there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a huge audience for this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's there's always an audience for a

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00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: good fight. I think you know, I grew I've told

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Speaker 2: Dana White this. I grew up a fight fan, and

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00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: you know, I watched UFC for years. But I go

505
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: to two or three or four UFC cards every summer

506
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 2: when I have time, and there's nothing like it. The energy.

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00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: I take friends, I've introduced cousins and they come away

508
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: and they're like, man, the energy is like nothing I've

509
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Speaker 2: ever seen. I took my wife to Connor McGregor, Mayweather,

510
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: I said, you and she loved it, so they're they're there.

511
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Speaker 2: I tell I've been so lucky in my life and

512
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: now I do more, uh, you know, opinion than actually reporting. Right,

513
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: we all know that I've transitioned to a more of

514
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Speaker 2: an opinionist years ago. But if you if you told

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Speaker 2: me I got three events a year, one of them

516
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: would be a big fight. I saw six Pacquiao fights,

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Speaker 2: you know. I whenever I was near Vegas or in

518
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Speaker 2: Vegas and he fought. I went to Pakiao fights and

519
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: and got great seats and paid for him. Sometimes I

520
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: didn't care. I just I like these events all be watching.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by it.

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Speaker 1: He was great to watch. I was lucky to broadcast

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Speaker 1: a number of his fights on Showtime. Mayweather Pakiao, Mayweather

524
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: McGregor was on Showtime, so I know exactly what you're feeling,

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00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: you know. Lucky enough. The first first interview I ever

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00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: did was with Muhammad Ali by total accident, so you know.

527
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: And then he took me under his wing and got

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Speaker 1: to go and interview him on numerous occasions through the

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Speaker 1: end of his career. And I got into boxing, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's been. It's it's been a terrific, terrific professional

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Speaker 1: existence and I've loved every minute of it. And the

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Speaker 1: fighters are unlike any other athletes Colin and it's not

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Speaker 1: even close. They're in there by themselves. They put it

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Speaker 1: all on the line of themselves. It's all dependent on them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they do have good trainers, and they do have good managers,

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Speaker 1: and they do have good people around them, but at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, they're naked by themselves, in

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00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: there wearing a pair of shorts with a couple of

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00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: gloves on, and it's only up to them. They have

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00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: to make their own adjustments on the fly. They have to,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, overcome all sorts of obstacles, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's always pretty interesting to me, you know, the level

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00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: of criticism that a fighter can take for what it

544
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: is their performance is in loss and in victory. It's

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00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: astonishing to me because there's not a person on the

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Speaker 1: planet who's doing what we do or who's paying for

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Speaker 1: a seat. They could last in there for ten seconds,

548
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Speaker 1: yet they have all of the answers outside of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, unlike all of us who've played football, basketball

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Speaker 1: or baseball growing up, you don't play boxing. You don't

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Speaker 1: play boxing. You play boxing, you're going to end up

552
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: with no teeth in the gutter on the street. You

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00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: don't play it, you better perfected, Jim.

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Speaker 2: That was great. I appreciate you giving me twenty five

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00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: minutes of your time.

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Speaker 1: I really do good to talk to you. And we'll

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00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: see you roam around the Brentwood Center someday. Maybe take care. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the fight was originally scheduled for July twentieth, and

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00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: then he got moved back. Mike had a stomach culture

560
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: and said he was thrown up blood, so they moved

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Speaker 2: it back. I tend to think a pro athlete eight

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Speaker 2: rounds two minutes, sixteen minutes of actual fighting. I would

563
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Speaker 2: take the pro athlete over the hardworking, big tough guy,

564
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: YouTuber businessman who's worked his tail off to be I

565
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: think a legitimate boxer in Jake Paul. Tyson is fifty eight.

566
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Speaker 2: He has not won a fight since two thousand and three.

567
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Speaker 2: I think he agreed to two minute rounds. I think

568
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Speaker 2: that's an advantage for Tyson. He can come out swinging.

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Speaker 2: I think if these if it was ten three minute rounds,

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Speaker 2: I would take Jake Paul but I think the advantage

571
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Speaker 2: for Tyson is a shorter fight and shorter rounds. Specifically,

572
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Speaker 2: you've watched UFC fights, even the best fighters in their prime,

573
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: You can get gas by the end of these rounds, right,

574
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: and UFC has longer rounds. Obviously, the three rule changes

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Speaker 2: for the fight, and you can tell me who you

576
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: think they benefit. The boxers will wear fourteen ounce gloves

577
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: instead of ten ounce gloves, probably an advantage for Jake Paul,

578
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: bigger gloves for Tyson. The rounds are two minutes instead

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00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: of three. That's then advantage for Tyson. And the fight

580
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: only goes up to eight rounds instead of ten or twelve. Again,

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Speaker 2: I think that's an advantage for the older fighter. My

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00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: money would be on Tyson. If it gets to round

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Speaker 2: five or six of eight, then check out the betting odds.

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Speaker 2: I'd probably go Jake Paul. I don't think Mike will

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00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: have for very long anyway, a ton of mobility. I

586
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: think he'll move pretty well in the first couple rounds.

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00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: And again, Tyson at his best, at his prime, had

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Speaker 2: a jab. Many of Tyson's later fights he was a

589
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 2: cleanup hitter. He was just swinging for the fence and

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00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: that could be effective enough. You know, Jake Paul. I

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Speaker 2: think if I was Jake Paul, I would be more

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Speaker 2: nervous than if I was Mike Tyson facing Jake Paul.

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Speaker 2: So I think I think Jake Paul is going to

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Speaker 2: be pretty reluctant, is going to kind of stay away

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Speaker 2: for a round or two. Micha will be the aggressor.

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Speaker 2: What you hope is Mike doesn't punch himself out early

597
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: being the aggressor. If I was Jake Paul, you know

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Speaker 2: my feeling would be I'm the younger athlete. I'm going

599
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: to push this thing to five or six rounds and

600
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: move around. But I also think Jake Paul is going

601
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: to have some anxiety early. Now Jake Paul may look

602
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: at it and think, well, that's what Tyson thinks. I'm

603
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: going to go right after him. I'm going to go

604
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: right after Tyson. Stun him, get him back on his heels,

605
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: work him up, piss him off, get Mike to be

606
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: a little untethered. That's possible. Longer goes. I think everybody

607
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: would take the younger kid. But you know, Jake's only

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Speaker 2: twenty seven years old, so you're in your athletic Prime

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Speaker 2: from about twenty six, maybe about twenty five to thirty

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Speaker 2: one thirty two, So you know, Jake's in tremendous shape.

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Speaker 2: But and I've always taken his boxing career. He's ten

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00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: and one seriously. I watched him fight Tommy Freury, Anderson Silva,

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Speaker 2: Tyron Woodley, Nate Robinson was the big knockout. His only

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00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: loss was a split decision to Tommy Fury, who's not

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Speaker 2: a great fighter.

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Speaker 1: You know he's a fighter.

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Speaker 2: So my guess is Tyson. I stylistically, I just want

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Speaker 2: to see what Mike has in the tank. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I listen.

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Speaker 2: He still can bring a huge left hook, there's no question.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen some of the video with sparring partners.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be Mike's sparring partner. So I'm

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Speaker 2: going to take Tyson in round four. I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to watch it. I really can't. Netflix Friday. Check it out.

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Speaker 1: The volume.

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