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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylie Shore and this is too much

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Speaker 1: to say question turn it out you. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your love on last week's episode. I've really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed reading how you guys have found your Anagram types

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Speaker 1: and answering questions and all that. It's been really fun.

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Speaker 1: So feel free to keep tweeting me just at Kaylee Shore.

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Speaker 1: I could talk about the Instagram for forever, So if

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Speaker 1: y'all want to pull me down a rabbit hole, I

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Speaker 1: will go there with you. But this week's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about my very big news that I

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Speaker 1: just announced I signed by first record deal. I could

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Speaker 1: not be more excited. It's a very weird time to

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Speaker 1: be signing it. You know. I couldn't have a signing party.

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Speaker 1: We just you know, sent out whiskey bottles and cheers

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Speaker 1: from Afar. But I could not be more excited. But

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Speaker 1: this has not been an easy or a quick process

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Speaker 1: to get to this point by any means. I'm with

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Speaker 1: my first record label. When I was seventeen. I believe

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Speaker 1: I came to Nashville with Press Hilton, the gossip blogger

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Speaker 1: entertainer who was managing me at the time. Actually he

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Speaker 1: by Rebecca Black that went semi viral, and he really

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Speaker 1: liked my stuff and introduced me to a bunch of labels.

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Speaker 1: It was definitely a little premature. I mean I had

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Speaker 1: about my high school boyfriends, and it was all very

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Speaker 1: very new to me and very exciting. But I think

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Speaker 1: it gave me unrealistic expectations a little bit, for like

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Speaker 1: how your national journey supposed to go down, because I

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Speaker 1: I met with like I think six or seven different ones,

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Speaker 1: and they were all really nice and gracious, but I

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Speaker 1: mean they took the meeting because of Perez and you

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Speaker 1: know what he's done in the music industry for sure,

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Speaker 1: and you know, most of them were really nice. But

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, but I didn't like break or anything,

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Speaker 1: because I knew that I had a long ways to go,

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Speaker 1: like as far as songwriting, because you know, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I'd only written by myself on my bedroom floor, so I,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously was a little bit hurt, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't show it, and they gave me a bunch of

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Speaker 1: got over it pretty quickly. I was very excited to

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Speaker 1: have that parting gift. The rest of them were fine,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think that the best advice I got

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Speaker 1: were like, you need to move here. So every action

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Speaker 1: that was great advice and I am really thankful for that.

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Speaker 1: So when I got to town, I definitely was like, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: This was seven years ago, but I definitely was able

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Speaker 1: have a label showcase. So you have a private show,

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Speaker 1: But the weird thing about showcases is like, you know

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Speaker 1: I knew what all these people looked like because I

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Speaker 1: like the nightmare. And the one thing that definitely got

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Speaker 1: just led to this, you know, four year cycle of

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Speaker 1: And I don't even know that means like I'm not

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Speaker 1: It was the weird excuses that got to me. So

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Speaker 1: if you guys listen to Bobby Bones, you're probably aware

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Speaker 1: And I know that that's not necessarily this person's fault

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Speaker 1: Like I got all in my head about it, And

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Speaker 1: last week. It's fine. It's just weird how like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like my teenage daughter loves you. I can't stop listening

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