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Speaker 1: one hour, within the first hour is what's recommended. Yeah,

422
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: And and if that doesn't happen, at least get that

423
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: ski wee going. Um yeah, yeah, but sometimes it takes

424
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: a few days for the breast melt to come in.

425
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: There are conditions where breast milk may never come in. Um.

426
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: What I would advise is to stay off the mommy blogs. Uh,

427
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: they can be helpful, but they can also really be

428
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: tough on a new mother. Yeah, if you feel like

429
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: you don't measure up to breastfeeding ideal, there's a lot

430
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: of judgment going on. Um. Even if you just look

431
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: up like breast milk didn't come in, you'll find some

432
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: women that say, yeah, you know sometimes that happens, and

433
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: their women say like, you just gave up, you got

434
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: lazy with it, and you didn't work at it right. Apparently,

435
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: the recommendations that I found, and I didn't find them judgmentally,

436
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: they seem to come from non judgmental place was keep trying. Basically, Um,

437
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there is some line, and every mother

438
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: has her own line. Once she gets to that line,

439
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: just done. But apparently, if your if your milk isn't

440
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: coming in the best way to get it to come

441
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: in is to keep nursing, to keep getting the breast

442
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: milk flowing, because it's eventually going to get the prolactin going,

443
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: and the prolactin is going to get the milk in,

444
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: and it's going to get the oxytostin going, and the

445
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: oxytocin is going to let the milk down. So just

446
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: trying to breastfeed apparently is the best fixed for breastfeeding problems.

447
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: Another thing to do is to reach out to what's

448
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: called the lactation consultants. Yeah, there are professionals out there

449
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: who will um advise you. I mean, they're all kinds

450
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: of services that can help you with everything from advising

451
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: you are counseling you UM to literally um showing you

452
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: um different methods which will get to on how to

453
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: literally physically breastfeed, like how to hold the baby, how

454
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: to do all that stuff. It's just it's sort of

455
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: like a coach in a way. Coaching counselor I think

456
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: is a good way to put it, and they can

457
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: really really help. And don't don't hesitate to reach out

458
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't mean that you're not a good mom

459
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: or or that things aren't coming naturally to you. So

460
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: something is wrong with you. This one that that shame

461
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: needs to get out of your head. I know, it

462
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: needs to get out of society. Yeah, but it's it's tough,

463
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, right if you have a baby, there's you know,

464
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean we should do one on postpartum depression too.

465
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: It's um. Sometimes you are at the whims of what

466
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: your body and your hormones are doing, you know, and

467
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: someone who might normally not feel those things feel those

468
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: things right. Um. And then you add on top of

469
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: these social expectations and friends and neighbors and the nurses

470
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: and the doctor and everybody will just showed up. You know,

471
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: Oh you're not breastfeeding. Yeah, there's this really this is

472
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: great article that um Hannah Rosen wrote. It was published

473
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: in the Atlantic in two thousand nine, called the Case

474
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: against breastfeeding controversial, and she um, just some of the

475
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: stuff she she mentions just some of the casual vibing

476
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: out that a mom encounters when she says she doesn't breastfeed,

477
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: and just there's a lot of um, a lot of

478
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: social pressure to breastfeed. If you if you've chosen to

479
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: breastfeed and you're having trouble with it, what we're saying

480
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: is there's yeah, go find a lactation consultant. That's fine.

481
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: At the same time, make sure you're also in close

482
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: contact with your doctor, your child's doctor, because if your

483
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: breast milk isn't coming, your baby still needs to ate something, right, UM,

484
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: So you're doc, you will be able to tell you well,

485
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: you might want to go buy some some human milk,

486
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: or you might want to introduce your baby to formula

487
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: while you're also nursing too. We're trying to nurse to

488
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: get your breast milk coming so that your baby has

489
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: enough nutrients and calories and everything, or um, if it's

490
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: not coming in as much. Uh. Like, some women might

491
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: not go to the doctor, like because they're producing breast milk,

492
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: but they're not producing enough on a daily basis. So

493
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: there are cases where a baby is like hospitalized and

494
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: they found that the baby is actually suffering some from

495
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: a form of dehydration hypernatrema, which is like a slute

496
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: imbalance that that a baby can die from. And yeah,

497
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: it comes from basically women being so so thoroughly scared

498
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: off from formula or shamed away from formula that their

499
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: their baby is not getting enough milk, but they they

500
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: are afraid to supplement it with anything like formula, so

501
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the baby ends up in dire straits. Uh. I want

502
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: to take this chance to recommend another podcast. We're talking

503
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: about Judge e um people um One Bad Mother, Great

504
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: Great Mom actually parenting podcast. It's called One Bad Mother,

505
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: but plenty of dads listen as well, uh. And it

506
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: is on the Max Fun Network and our friends, my

507
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: friend Teresa Thorne and biz ellis her co host. Uh.

508
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: It's just a great, fun, funny podcast, very supportive, not judgmental. Uh.

509
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: And I was a guest and told a bit of

510
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: my adoption story a while ago. I can't remember what

511
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: it was his last year. I remember that it was

512
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: obviously it was sometime after Yeah, Midsummer last year. Do

513
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: you remember the name of the episode or the number?

514
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Now people are gonna want to know. You can google it,

515
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: google that junk. But anyway, one one Bad Mother is

516
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: great and find if it's not them, just find some

517
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: good resource that is trustworthy and that you feel good about. So,

518
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: with all that said, here's how you breastfeed. It's easy,

519
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: all right, Josh just took a shirt off. It's a

520
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: little weird, you know, it's funny, Like some of these

521
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: I was going through, like making the actual the can

522
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: motions and everything. Yeah, some of it's tough to visualize,

523
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: but others. And you may walk through and she's like,

524
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: why are you cradling a loaf of Rye bread? And

525
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: why is it crying? You could make Rye cry. It's

526
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: pretty powerful. So apparently the latch is everything right. The

527
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: baby's got a latch on, and like you said, that

528
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: vacuum has to be formed, and to form the vacuum,

529
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: the baby's got to get a big old mouthful of

530
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: boob nipple specifically, So when you're getting the baby to latch,

531
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: you grab the breast around the nipple, around the aerial eye,

532
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: and you basically um tickle the baby's mouth with your nipple,

533
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: and she's like, okay, I'm opening wide, and you take

534
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: her the bottom of her jaw and put it underneath

535
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: your breast. Apparently are underneath your nipple. I'm sorry. Also,

536
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: don't listen to me. And then you you move her

537
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: head forward onto um so that the top of her

538
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: mouth is now on the nipple and taking in at

539
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: least one to one and a half inches of airy

540
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: od I as well. Yeah, isn't the idea that baby

541
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: comes to mommy? Mommy doesn't like kneel down or lean

542
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: over to baby. Isn't that the how it goes? That's

543
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: what I saw. Uh. There are various types of holds.

544
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: The suplex, the figure four now sorry, that's wrestling, sleeper hole,

545
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: the cradle position that is one of them. That's when

546
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: you you have the baby on your forearm, her head

547
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: and the crook of your arm and support the bottom

548
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: with the other hand. Then pull a little baby close

549
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: to you belly to belly, which is a great thing,

550
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: with her ear, shoulder and hip in a straight line. Ye.

551
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: So that's the cradle the football, Yeah, I call it

552
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: the heisman. So you're you're laying on your back, right,

553
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm getting here? Right? Well? The mom

554
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: and then there's a pillow very close to your side

555
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: with your baby on top. And I think you're both

556
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: facing in opposite directions, right, or you're facing one another,

557
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: but you're pointing in opposite directions. Yeah, okay, and um,

558
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: you just lift the baby's your baby's head up to

559
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: your breast from the side, and that's really good if

560
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: you had a cesarean section, because I'm guessing you don't

561
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: want a baby anywhere near your belly after that. Yeah,

562
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: the football, and I couldn't picture in my head as much.

563
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: That was less clear. Okay, baby's facing this way, I'm

564
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: facing that way and nothing's coming out. It's getting very

565
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: disturbing here. Then you have the old sideline. Poor babies

566
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: is getting a lot of hair in her mouth. Oh god. Uh,

567
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: the sideline not the anything as a side eye. That's

568
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: much different. Um. This is also good if you've had

569
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: a c section or if you want to rest, if

570
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: you're worn out, um, while you nurse. So this is

571
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: when you lie on your side, Uh, place your head

572
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: on a pillow as mom, and pull the baby in

573
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: close to you and use your arm to support her

574
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: little baby bottom, which is adorable, and use your other

575
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: hand to bring your breast up to the baby's mouth.

576
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: So I think that would make sense to me. Yeah,

577
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: all of it made sense to me. Well, you're I

578
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: practiced that you had to look for bread. I did not.

579
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: So again, if this isn't working at first, don't worry,

580
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: don't be discouraged. Don't take it like your baby doesn't

581
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: like you or is rejecting you. That it's not the case.

582
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Try try again, Try try again, but also again if

583
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: you reach your point. If you reach your limit, well

584
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: then come up with plan B or go with plan

585
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: B like no judgment. Yeah, and here's a pretty amazing fact. Uh,

586
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: if you have adopted your baby, or if you use

587
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: the surrocuate, or if you're female partners and new mothers.

588
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: You can Actually the point is if you didn't give

589
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: birth to the baby. It's a long way of saying

590
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: that you can actually induce lactation with a lot of

591
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: time and patients not always, but it is possible to

592
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: breastfeed a baby that you did not bear, which is astounding. Yes. Yeah,

593
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of techniques you can use. Hand

594
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: massages help quite a bit. You want to try UM

595
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: hand expressing uh like eight to twelve times a days,

596
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: basically squeezing shadow puppets UM. And you can also take

597
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: something called UM. I love this word. Galactagogues. Yeah, that

598
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: totally sounds like a video game from the eighties. It's

599
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: a type of chemical um that crew that's that spurs

600
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: a woman's body to start creating breast milk. Right, And

601
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: there's some that have been proven through scientific study, drugs

602
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: like meta clodpromide. Right. Then apparently there's herbs that anecdotally

603
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: work wonders, including fenny Greek. They don't have quite as

604
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: much evidence based efficacy, but they may still work for you.

605
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: It's worth trying. Yeah, And I think if you watch

606
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: a lot of Gilmore Girls that might help. Yeah, maybe

607
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: popping steel magnolias any mother centric plot line, right, Actually,

608
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: mommy dearest, I was about to say, psycho, Mommy dearest,

609
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: you might want to stay away from those. Um, should

610
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: we take another break? Oh? But sure? All right, let's

611
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: do it. So, Chuck, let's say you've decided to breastfeed. Yes,

612
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: how long should you breastfeed for? Well, that's up to

613
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: you as an individual, obviously. Like we said, they experts

614
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: do recommend that first four to six months is pretty key. Um,

615
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean it has to be exclusive. You know,

616
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: if you want to augment with formula, you can do that. Uh,

617
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: it's everyone's decision to make on their own. And then

618
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: there was that lady. Remember that one lady made a

619
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: lot of news because she was on the cover. I

620
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: should have looked this up. She's on the cover of

621
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: some magazine at the time or news week. Yeah, with

622
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: a much older like a four or five year old.

623
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: I could remember the age of the of her sun

624
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: that was breastfeeding and got a lot of flak for that.

625
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: But um, it was like an article on attachment parenting,

626
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: and I think that stuff. I can't remember exactly. I

627
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: should look that up, but I'm pretty sure it was

628
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: either Time or news Week, but anyway to make the point,

629
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: like some women have done that where they breastfeed, like

630
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: to their point where their kid is coming up and saying, hey, Mom,

631
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: I would love some food. Sure breast If you're doing that, Um,

632
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that your kid is eating

633
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: plenty of other stuff as well, because the point of

634
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: breastfeeding or breast milk is that it can sustain a

635
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: child exclusively for the first four to six months of

636
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: his or her life. After that you have to start supplementing,

637
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: either with formula or solid foods. And the rule of

638
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: thumb that I saw um when knowing whether or not

639
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: the baby was ready to start trying solid foods is

640
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: if he or she is coordinated enough to let you

641
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: know when she's full, then you could try to start

642
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: supplementing with solids. But you you can breastfeed exclusively up

643
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: to four to six months. After that, you just physically can't.

644
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: There's not enough nutrients for you to produce to sustain

645
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: your kid with breast milk alone after six months of age.

646
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: We've mentioned pumping a couple of times. We'll get more

647
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: into that in Part two. But um, if you live

648
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: under a rock you don't know what that is. That

649
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: means you are just storing your breast milk. You're using

650
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: a device, a machine. I guess you want to call

651
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: it to um to store your breast milk for later.

652
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: It means you like to have a drink once in

653
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: a while, some layoff. Well we'll get to that too.

654
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: But as far as storage goes, here's the deal. It

655
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: depends on how what kind of fridge freezer you store

656
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: the breast milk in and how often that is opened.

657
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: That Yeah, So like if you have one of those Uh,

658
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: if you have a small old school fridge that has

659
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: the little freezer section in the top of it, that

660
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: is the shortest amount of time. That is only two

661
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: weeks of storage, even if it's in the freezer. Um.

662
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: If you have a separate freezer in that same within

663
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: that fridge, like the little freezer on the bottom or whatever,

664
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: you can store it as long as three to six months.

665
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: If you have a deep freezer in the garage right

666
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: with the audience, keep your dead bodies like burning, keep

667
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: your delivered steak subscription service and dead bodies of some

668
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: guys pickup truck. Uh, you can actually store in the

669
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: deep deep priests or six or twelve months, even though

670
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: uh they say it's past six months, it's not optimal. UM.

671
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: So I think, like, you know, if you were through

672
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: the zombie apocalypse happen and you have some twelve month

673
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: old frozen solid breast milk, you can try and use that. Yeah,

674
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: that we'll give our thumbs up on that one. In

675
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: room temperature, apparently if it's a you know, coolish room

676
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: and it's not the heat of summer with no a C,

677
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: we're talking about six hours, which is longer than I thought. Uh.

678
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: And then up to five days in a fridge, although

679
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: that's not optimal supposedly after about three days, and you

680
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: just want to make sure in the fridge in anywhere,

681
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: really everything is super super clean. You got a bottle

682
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: cap on there all. Yeah, everything is is really really

683
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: especially early um, early in baby's life. You want everything

684
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: really really really clean. So the UM one of the reasons,

685
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: one of the big reasons that a lot of women

686
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: pump is because they want a breastfeed, but they also

687
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: either want to or need to get back to work. UM.

688
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: And this raises a big issue as far as breastfeeding goes. Right,

689
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: there is some really great New New Republic review of

690
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: a book called l Activism, and the reviewer is named

691
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: Katherine Joyce, and she points out that and it's great

692
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: that the World Health Organization, in the American Academy of

693
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: Pediatrics and all of these guys say women should breastfeed

694
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: exclusively for at least the first six months, but that

695
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: that demand it puts a burden on basically no one

696
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: except for the mom. And then simultaneously we're saying breastfeed

697
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: for six months and get back to work because we've

698
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: got an economy to to uh to keep going, or

699
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: you have rent to pay, or get back to work

700
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: because you have your family need it right. And so

701
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: Angela Garbas points out, like basically everything about breastfeeding is

702
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: at odds with holding down full time work. That breastfeeding

703
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: for the first few months can take eight hours a

704
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: day of time easily, but hey, go work for eight

705
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: hours on top of that, And she says, I think

706
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: quite reasonably that if we're telling people, for telling mothers, hey,

707
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: you should breastfeed exclusively for six months, then they should

708
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: also be given six months of paid maternity leave at

709
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: a minimum, and that that should just be um should

710
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: be enshrined in in American law. It may sound radical

711
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: to a lot of Americans. In fact, America is the

712
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: only developed nation that doesn't guarantee paid time off for mothers.

713
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: There's not a day of paid time off that a

714
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: mother gets guaranteed under federal law in the United States.

715
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: It's the only developed nation that doesn't have that law.

716
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: It's one of only two nations that doesn't have it.

717
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: The other one is Papua New Guinea. In Papua New Guinea,

718
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: of the people who lived there make their subsistence off

719
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: of agriculture, they don't need to have a law like that.

720
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. Uh, that's amazing too, But in the

721
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: opposite way that amazing. Um yeah, I mean, these days,

722
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of jobs that are way more

723
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: flexible as far as working from home or having lactation rooms, um,

724
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: flexible scheduling. Like a lot of companies have made it

725
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: much easier for you with a combination of pumping and

726
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: dumping to uh to still be able to do that.

727
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: But if you're not lucky enough to be in one

728
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: of those scenarios, and if you've got a job that's

729
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: like nope, don't do that here, well then you gotta cut. Well, yeah,

730
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: they have to do something. They have to allow some

731
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: break time, and um, they have to provide some private place.

732
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: But there's no specifications that it can't be some old

733
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: shower stalls. And of course that's just the law. Like,

734
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean every company absolutely does this across the board. Uh,

735
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: there are people that run a foul of the law.

736
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: You're right, and it is getting better though, it is

737
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: getting better among employers. But in the United States, there's

738
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: the Family Leave Act and it does guarantee twelve weeks

739
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: of unpaid maternity leave. Yeah, but your family might not

740
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: be able to afford that, so that equals like no

741
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: maternity time. Yeah. And they've found across the board that,

742
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: um that higher income families breastfeed longer. It's just the

743
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: way it is. Um. Here's some more stats for you

744
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about how long to breastfeed. Uh.

745
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: Most women stop within the first year. Uh. In two

746
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, the CDC said seventy seven percent of American

747
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: women breastfed from birth. Uh, at that rate since birth,

748
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: and then after six months that dropped to six But

749
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: you make a big point, Well, you didn't make the point.

750
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: You source these points I I I arranged them to

751
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: make point. Yeah. Yeah, Now you make a point that

752
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: it's a it depends on where you live in the world.

753
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Uh in Africa, on the continent of women breastfed beyond

754
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: twelve months, So it definitely depends on where you are.

755
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: And you make the point, which is what I was

756
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: getting to, is that a lot of these stats kind

757
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: of stink because they're old, man, they stink and outnumbered, contradictory, contradictory,

758
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to kind of get great percentages

759
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: on this stuff. But everything that we looked at does

760
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: say that breastfeeding is on the rise, uh in what

761
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: the last probably twenty years. Yeah, and that it's on

762
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: the rise, especially among older, white, educated, wealthier women for

763
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: all the reasons we talked about. Yeah yeah, So uh,

764
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: let's pull out a Bummersville for a second, chuck, and

765
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: uh talk about the food food, Yes, like what a

766
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: mom eats. Um, If the mom is is producing this milk,

767
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: it would make sense in turn that the milk will

768
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: end up because we said each recipe each day can

769
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit different. And if you had um,

770
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: General Sal's chicken, Yeah, the night before your breast milk

771
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: might be a little spicier. Yeah, there's actually there's a

772
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: study back in the the seventies at the University of

773
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: Manitoba that took breast folk from breast smolk from women

774
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: and had like a flavor professional tasting panel did an

775
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: episode on those um sample and one of the women

776
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: had eaten spicy food the night before and hers was

777
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: described as hot and peppery. Yeah, pretty neat. It is

778
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: pretty neat. Uh. And then this one woman, and she's

779
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: not the only one, of course, but it's lady named

780
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: Julia Manella of the monell Chemical Sense to Center in

781
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Philadelphia said that she thinks and a lot of people

782
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: agree that these early flavor profiles that the baby experiences

783
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: developed uh, taste preferences for later in life. Right, that

784
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I see no reason why that

785
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: should not be true. No, No, I don't know that

786
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: it's proven though, but it does make a lot of sense.

787
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: So when your breastfeeding, the rule of thumb that I've

788
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: seen is that you want to eat about five more

789
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: calories a day than you were before you were pregnant. Yeah, right,

790
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: potato chips, candy bars, you know, you want to avoid

791
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Man, You actually, um want to

792
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: avoid junk food instead, you want to eat the good

793
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: stuff that's right, the stuff that's good for you, the

794
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: stuff that's whole, This stuff that's chuck full of like

795
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: good vitamins and it's nutritious, aka the food you should

796
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: eat period. But all that stuff is gonna pass right

797
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: through you into your baby in the form of your milk.

798
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: It's so it's the stuff you eat is like a

799
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: gift to your baby. It's like passing that really great

800
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: food along. That's right. Sometimes like uh, something that might

801
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: give mom and baby problems if you eat like Brussels

802
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: sprouts or cabbage, or things that might make you a

803
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: little gassy broccoli. Everyone has different things that make them gassier.

804
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Whatever that is for you that could cause some trouble. Um.

805
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: What else anything anything like heavy and additives or dies

806
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: like we're talking about like non whole foods, um could

807
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: produce a little bit more issues for you and baby.

808
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: Both onions, garlic, citrus is no good or just all

809
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: of these things can they can produce problems? Right, So,

810
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: if you've noticed that your baby um after eating, shortly

811
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: after eating, is um drawing her legs up to her

812
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: her um stomach and screaming that's colic. It's probably because

813
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: your baby has gas. You want to figure out what

814
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: it is that you're eating that is giving your baby gas. UM.

815
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: There's also other things that you can pass on to

816
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: your baby that the baby doesn't want that can result

817
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: in an unhappy baby. Caffeine UM that can pop up

818
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: not just in coffee, but also things like coke and

819
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: chocolate and all sorts of stuff. There's also worries that

820
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: babies can actually develop food allergies UM, which is entirely possible.

821
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: UM that usually is sourced back to milk. You might

822
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: not be lactose intolerant, but your baby might be. All

823
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: this stuff you can figure out on your own very

824
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: easily doing a very simple at home experiment. Take whatever

825
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: food you think is making your baby unhappy UM and

826
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: remove it from your diet for about a week. See

827
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: if that clears it up. If it doesn't, it wasn't

828
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: that food. You can reintroduce that food. Yeah, it's UM.

829
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Like with any food allergy, it's just called an elimination diet,

830
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: and you get rid of the stuff until you see

831
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: a change. If it doesn't change, and move on to

832
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: the next thing, and um, mom's usually pretty in tune

833
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: with baby and UM ideally, and so it's um an

834
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: elimination diet is is pretty I don't want to say easy,

835
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: because it is time consuming and you should keep records

836
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: of things. Um, but it's fairly intuitive. I think it's

837
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: what I was looking for. So um. Apparently they used

838
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: to tell moms drink a bunch of beer because it'll

839
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: aid in milk production. That sounds so true. It's ridiculous,

840
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: all right, so it must be true. Yeah, so they

841
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: realize that, no, you should probably not do that. Not

842
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: only does it not aid in milk production, but apparently

843
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: the blood alcohol content uh that you have about the

844
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: same percentage is past slong to your breast milk. The

845
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: blood alcohol content of your breast milk is pretty much

846
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: the same as your blood alcohol level at any given point,

847
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: which is super low. Unless you've been drinking. Then it's

848
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: super high, and then you're getting poor baby blitzed, well

849
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: breastfeeding drunk. You would have to drink a lot. I

850
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: don't know that that's the case, man, No, it's absolutely

851
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: the case. Like your blood alcohol content, even if you're ripped,

852
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: is still super super low. As far as a percentage

853
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: of alcohol in your blood. But we're talking about like

854
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: that way like eight pounds. Oh no, no, no, I'm

855
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: not recommending it. I'm just saying it's not like you're

856
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: giving your kid a shot of booze. If you've um,

857
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: you know it's it's And this is another one of

858
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: those things that like if if you look at ten

859
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: different places, you're gonna get ten different opinions, even from doctors.

860
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: I saw one doctor was like, you know what, this

861
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: is one of those things that just makes it even

862
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: harder for a woman is to tell her she shouldn't

863
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: even have a glass of wine um when she's breastfeeding. UM.

864
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: So really, I like, I literally looked at like four

865
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: different things and they all said something different. What I

866
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: did see what is there's a direct correlation between the

867
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: amount that you're drinking and whether or not you're drinking

868
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: it with food. UM. Just like with the blood alcohol

869
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: tenant UH levels. It has to do with the mom's

870
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: weight um, and like the amount of fat like where

871
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: alcohol is stored. So there's a lot of factors that

872
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: go into it. UM. The American Academy of Pediatrics Committee

873
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: on Drugs considers alcohol compatible with breastfeeding. So they said

874
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to abstain, but everything I read says

875
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: like keep it in check and maybe don't like drink

876
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: the wine while you're breastfeeding or within a couple of hours,

877
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: like maybe have the glass of wine after you breastfed

878
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: and put baby down for the night. So the rule

879
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: of thought myself is two hours uh for the alcohols

880
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: out of your system, which means, um, if you're breastfeeding

881
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: every two hours, you've gotta either pump and dump or

882
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: hand express or yet time it so that it's not yeah,

883
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: you're not passing it along. And this is after you know,

884
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: nine months of probably abstaining from alcohol. Two yeah. Yeah, Hey,

885
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I don't blame anybody for being like,

886
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm having a glass of wine. You know, Um, people

887
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: always say a glass of wine. Why didn't see people

888
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: say I'm having a scotch. I'm having a fifth of Scotch. No,

889
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: don't have a fifth. Do you have an institution attitude

890
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: towards smoking and breastfeeding? Hum? Well, I mean I think

891
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: you shouldn't smoke a period. I think that's true. So

892
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: I guess you could say that in keeping with that

893
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: I would say you shouldn't smoke and breastfeed. Yeah, but apparently, um,

894
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: the nicotine is not good for milk. Milk production, It

895
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: diminishes milk production, yes, just on practical level. You're not

896
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: doing yourself any favors. It reduces the amount of vitamin

897
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: C president in your in your breast milk. Um, it

898
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: can increase nausea in the baby. That alone, that's sad

899
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: um and plus not to mention if you're actually smoking

900
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: around the baby, come on. Uh. And then there's that

901
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: woman in Arizona. Do you remember her? The mom who

902
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: got it just hugely, massively in trouble because she took

903
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: her baby to the hospitals, like, something's wrong with with

904
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: my baby and the doctor's tested it, and we're like,

905
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: that's weird. Your baby has a lot of cocaine in

906
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: his system right now, any idea, Why have you been

907
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: doing cocaine? Well, yeah I did, But what's that got

908
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: to do with my baby? Right? Are you breastfeeding? And

909
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: she was like yes, I am, Well you pass the

910
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: cocaine onto your baby. Yeah. Yeah. The old days of

911
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: walking around baby on breast with a cigarette in one

912
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: hand and a scotch on the other and a bump

913
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: of coke in your nose. Those days are long gone.

914
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: We know better at this point, I was not breastfed,

915
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm pretty sure I was actually, now

916
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: that you say that, I'm not. I don't know. Yeah,

917
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: I feel securely attached. Yeah, my momy actually told me this,

918
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: just like in the last six or eight years even,

919
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, how did she tell you?

920
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think it was on my birthday card,

921
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: your birthday, Happy birthday. And by the way, no, I

922
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: can't remember. It just came up and I was like, oh,

923
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, and she said, yeah, you know.

924
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: She I was her third kid, didn't have a lot

925
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: of help from my dad, so she was managing a

926
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: three year old and a six year old, and I

927
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: think had a rough time breastfeeding my brother. Um, because

928
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: my brother said she just wasn't organized enough. No, I'm

929
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: just joking out. Scott would have been like, let me

930
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: hand express this for late there, I'll feed myself. Um.

931
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: I think had a rough time breastfeeding Scott, and then UM,

932
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: I think just sort of decided like, yeah, I got

933
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: too much going on going with the formula for baby chuck.

934
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: And it was also at a time in the early seventies,

935
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: like starting in the fifties through the seventies and eighties,

936
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: even to a certain degree, there was a bigger move

937
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: toward formula feeding and away from breastfeeding, because the notion

938
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: was like, this science has finally figured it out. You

939
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: don't need to breastfeed because we have this wonderful new

940
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: thing called formula, which the name formula just cracks me

941
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: up that that's what it's called. That they didn't think

942
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: of some name of it. I know, it's like the

943
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: most generic clinical term they could have come on, like, hey,

944
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: we came up with this formula that mem express milk.

945
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: What should we call it? Formula? The originally is called

946
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: formula X, but they thought that was too well, that

947
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: makes more sense even than just formula. It's like, hey,

948
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: we got this new recipe for chicken. What do you

949
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: call it? Recipe? Good point, But that whole that whole

950
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: um push starting in well as previous of the fifties.

951
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about it in part two. But there's

952
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of push back that came out as a

953
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: result of this um trend toward formulas, right, And there

954
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: are actually groups that are called l activist groups that

955
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: UM started beginning with the lech A League UM, which

956
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: was established in the fifties and the States among a

957
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: group of Catholic moms who decided that it was their

958
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: their biblical right, their biblical heritage to breastfeed their babies

959
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: and that like that was what God wanted them to do.

960
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: And the League UH is still around today. It's one

961
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: of the most prominent l activist groups around. UM. They're

962
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: very active in in you know, public aware this, teaching,

963
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: breastfeeding classes, all that stuff. But they grew out of

964
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: this group of Catholic moms in the fifties who actually

965
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: took their name from UM shrine down in Jacksonville. Oh really, yeah,

966
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: the Jailorida, Jacksonville, Florida. Yet the name of the shrine

967
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: is called Newest Dress Senora de la boene Parto, which

968
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: means our Lady of Happy Delivery and Plentiful Milk. Yeah.

969
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: And they published UH in night a very famous pamphlet

970
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: called The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding that eventually became a

971
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: book and it was very very popular. It's now in

972
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: six languages and its eighth edition and also in the seventies.

973
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: We've talked about Hannah Rosen before. She said, there were

974
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: other groups that, um, we're a little a little more hip. Yeah.

975
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: Then the the L L right that came out, and

976
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: she said, notably one in Boston. Do you know the

977
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: name of this one? I don't know that they had

978
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: a name they had They created a sort of a

979
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: move it. Yeah, they wrote a book called Our Bodies, Ourselves, right,

980
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: and that was that was basically the foundation for what

981
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: she calls the second wave of lactivism. Yeah, and she

982
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: said they were just she said, quote were more groovy

983
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: types than the L L L moms, h slashy jeans, clogs, bandana's,

984
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: holding back their waist, lenked hair. She said, but the

985
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: two movements grew out of the common frustration and anger

986
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: of this condescending medical establishment, this paternalistic, non informative, judgmental

987
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: group of men basically who are just like, just do

988
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: what we tell you, you don't need to ask questions.

989
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: This trust that pretty much in these groups came out

990
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, um, these are our bodies

991
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: and our decisions. I don't think beer aids and milk production.

992
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: They so they took their um there well, I guess

993
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: they're they're womanly art of breastfeeding, and they they they

994
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: kept it, they took it back, they young to back.

995
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: And so the lacktivism has always had this kind of

996
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: tinge of the moral authority because of the religious roots

997
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: of the Light Cha League and radicalism because it was um.

998
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: Both waves came counter to the medical establishment at the time.

999
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of um. A lot of current

1000
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: understanding of breastfeeding is not necessarily based on accurate scientific information. Right. Yes,

1001
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: we already talked about how the benefits of breastfeeding are

1002
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: fairly relative, but there's also a lot of like misinformation

1003
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: or misunderstanding about how like what breastfeeding and breast milk

1004
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: can do for a developing baby. Yeah, there's a lot

1005
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,479
Speaker 1: of correlative effects that it's tough to put the hard

1006
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: science behind because um, as Hannah Rosen says, it's tough

1007
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: to do us really ideal study because what you would

1008
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: have to do for it to stand up to scientific

1009
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: rigor would be to divide up two groups of mothers

1010
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: and say you breastfeed, you don't, and then measure the

1011
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: outcomes for years. And you can't do that. You can't

1012
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: tell a woman not to breastfeed for the sake of

1013
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: this study. So what they end up doing is they

1014
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: just look at observational studies where they look at differences

1015
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: in the two populations over the years. And this is

1016
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: where you get that that skewed perception, or where you

1017
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: can get a skewed perception because they may be looking

1018
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: at us mothers of a certain social strategy. Well, yeah,

1019
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of confounding factors that are variables, right

1020
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: that that you know, women who tend to breastfeed these

1021
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: days again tend to be um from a wealthier family,

1022
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: so they make maybe you can stay at home more,

1023
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: or they have more money available for preventative healthcare measures.

1024
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of other things that could be accounting

1025
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: for these better health outcomes that studies have found but

1026
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: have been able to say, yes, this is directly because

1027
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: these babies were breastfed. The problem is is that these

1028
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: studies that say, hey, these breastfed babies had these amazing

1029
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: um increases in i Q. That's what gets reported through

1030
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: lazy scientific reporting, and it hits the popular media and

1031
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, that's gospel fact. And if

1032
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: you don't breastfeed your baby, You're a horrible mom. Yeah.

1033
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: This In two thousand seven, the World Health Organization UH

1034
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: did a survey of all this literature and they looked

1035
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: at these the big five claims about benefits of breastfeeding

1036
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: lowers cholesterol, lowers blood pressure, lowers risk of obesity, lowers

1037
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: risk of type two diabetes, and increases cognitive ability. And

1038
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: they didn't find a lot of hard scientific support for

1039
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: one through four, but they did see, like you said that, UM,

1040
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: there was a correlation between an increase i Q right,

1041
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: but they found it was a relatively small increase. But

1042
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: if you're one of those like dog eat dog and

1043
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: role my kid in preschool before she's even born type

1044
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: of parents, you'd be like, I'll take those extra five

1045
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: i Q points. Sure. Yeah. UM. So this is part one.

1046
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: Uh but before we go, Chuck, do you have anything else? Uh?

1047
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: You know what for part one? Just since we talked

1048
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: about breastfeeding at work and stuff, UM, I feel like

1049
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: we would be remiss if we dot did not mention um.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump remember that in two about five years ago,

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Speaker 1: he was in a deposition and one of them opposing attorneys,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Beck, went to UM went to pump okay, breast

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Speaker 1: milk in this deposition. And he got up and said, uh,

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Speaker 1: you're disgusting. You're disgusting, and he got out of the room.

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Speaker 1: And this was a very I can't believe you don't remember.

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Speaker 1: This was a huge deal or a huge deal. And um,

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Speaker 1: what she says, Um Elizabeth Beck from her side said,

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Speaker 1: you know he called me. You know, there's nothing disgusting

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Speaker 1: about this. He can't say that to a woman who

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Speaker 1: is breastfeeding or pumping or doing whatever, no matter where

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Speaker 1: it is. And then um Trump and his uh general counsel,

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Speaker 1: Um what was his name, Alan Garton, they contend like, sure,

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Speaker 1: he said she was disgusting, he said, but like they

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Speaker 1: didn't deny that. They said, but that this is not

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Speaker 1: about breastfeeding. They said that she was in a deposition,

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Speaker 1: right in the middle of a deposition. This is a quote,

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Speaker 1: attempting to breastfeed, to pump in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: deposition with five lawyers, and was not excusing herself. And

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Speaker 1: he claimed that Beck orchestrated the stunt because she ran

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Speaker 1: out of questions, didn't know what to do, and so

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Speaker 1: she just like pulled this breast pumping move. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: old breast pump um. So you know, those are the

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Speaker 1: two sides of the story. I'm not going to comment

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Speaker 1: one way or the other other than saying you should

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Speaker 1: never use the word disgusting when a woman is bread, breastfeeding,

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Speaker 1: or pumping or anything. He said, I'm gonna be president

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Speaker 1: one day, and she was like, you're not, Like, I

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Speaker 1: don't care what the circumstance. Don't say that even if

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Speaker 1: you if you think it's inappropriate. I'm not even gonna

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Speaker 1: say whether you know, I'm not even weigh in on that.

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Speaker 1: But if if you think it's inappropriate, then you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe I think this is inappropriate. Don't say you're disgusting,

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Speaker 1: not not right. I agree this is political as I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get on this one, and that is feeding your

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Speaker 1: baby Part one. Man, this one is a robust. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's just part one. Uh so be sure to join

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Speaker 1: us for part two. Do we have a listener mail

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Speaker 1: or these things so thoroughly conjoined that they can't be

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Speaker 1: separated by listener mail? Yeah, let's uh, let's skip the

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Speaker 1: listener maail on this one. Okay, good idea. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll join us for How feeding Babies Works Part two.

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